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Welcome to the Approach Shot , the

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golf show that's more laughs than links

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, more stories than strokes , more

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guffaws than golfers . Here

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are the hosts of the Approach Shot John

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Ashton and Neil Michaels . It is time for

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us the Approach Shot .

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we are here , here we be . I'm

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John Ashton .

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I'm Neil Michaels , and it's always

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fun to come back here and just start laughing

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to start with , before we come on

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, john and I chat every once in a while and

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we just crack each other up , so I hope

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we crack you up too , but if not , the

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two of us are having a hell of a time .

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I'm not lasing at you , I'm lasing next to you , buddy

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. That's how it works . Thank you

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, you're quite welcome , man , and

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it's over Well it's not over , it's

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two-thirds over .

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No , are you ?

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talking about the holidays . I'm talking about the

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holidays .

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Yeah . So can I tell you a story about what

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happened with us ? Sure , a

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week and a half ago my stepson

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, who lives with us , comes to me and says

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, hey , we're going to do a friends' giving at

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the house and I said , cool , I love that

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I did friends' giving when I was single and stuff

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. But sure , and he's

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an amazing cook , he really is an incredible

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cook . So I said , when are you going to do it ? He said

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tomorrow , meaning Saturday

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. So that just means the chaos begins

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. Going to the store cooking

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, my wife became his sous chef . The

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two of them were great in the kitchen together had a blast

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. It was fantastic . Love . It had

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lots of people over . It was amazing . That

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put us in an awkward position

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because then Thanksgiving

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came and we'd already done friends'

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giving on Saturday . So Thanksgiving

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is Thursday . We're not going to go back

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and cook another turkey or more ham

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. We were trying to figure out what to do and I

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said wouldn't it be great for people

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who have like a friends' giving and

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then have to still do a Thanksgiving

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, to do a more casual version

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? How about , instead of turkey and ham

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, if we did hot dogs and

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called it Frank's giving , and

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the hot dog thing could turn into like

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some or sausage or kielbasa

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, but Frank's giving and

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everybody thought it was the greatest idea

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, except my wife , who thought I was a lunatic

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, which is not really

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all different than any other day . So

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this turned into like the joke

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the whole day . It was . You know , what are we going

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to do , seriously ? What are we going to do ? How about Frank's

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giving Just

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all day long ? So what we decided

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to do instead was we did

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white chicken chili

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Right , because

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it's chili , and we've already done

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the other stuff and we can reuse

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the rolls and some of the other stuff that's around

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. So that's what we did . But , john

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, if I go to the grocery

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store anytime the

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rest of the year , please

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shoot me , because I went

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for the friends' giving . I

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went after the friends' giving to pick

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up a couple of things , then , of course we didn't

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have everything we needed for the

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white chicken chili , so I had to go then . And

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then , of course , the Wednesday before

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Thanksgiving I went there

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, which was just in sanity

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.

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Yes , I have to jump in and tell you that

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I have done even something more stupid

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. Oh , is that the Wednesday

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before Thanksgiving ? I got up to

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make some coffee . I

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tore the kitchen cabinets apart

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. There were no coffee

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filters , nor was

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there any coffee . So

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what'd you do ? I got in the car

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and I went to the store

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and I pulled into the Kroger

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parking lot . I drove around

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for about five minutes trying to look for a place

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to put my car . I said I

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am out of my freaking mind , right .

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Go to Starbucks and go home .

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Yeah , that's what I did .

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I got to tell you , though , and

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my wife says , before I leave on

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that Wednesday hey , there's a couple of things

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on the list . If you have any questions

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, just text me or call me . And

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I left the house and I thought , oh

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my God , if she's put something

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on there that requires a question

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, I really don't want to be looking for that

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in the first place , because that means I don't

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know where it is , and do you think there are going

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to be people around to answer my stupid question

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? So all of

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this leads me back to why

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I love , and you love , hello

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Fresh . Oh yeah , it does , and

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, trust me , this was not intended to be a

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lead up to a commercial . This is

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like my real life .

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You've been talking about Hello Fresh . Why didn't you

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just do it ? We don't need French giving , we

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got Hello Fresh . Hello Fresh

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, giving Hello .

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Fresh giving . There you go , hello . We

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just created a thing that

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occurred to me as I was parking my car in

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the Vaughan's parking lot and I thought

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why didn't we just order Hello

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Fresh and use that

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? That's like . The whole big deal

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with them is not running to

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the grocery store , it comes to your house . Everything

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is there to begin with , it's delicious

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, it saves you the trouble and

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the cost is less than the traditional

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grocery store anyway , and

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it's even less than what we did , which is we just

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got frustrated .

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There's family drama going on that I don't

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deal with , so I just

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said to hell with the kids , you're on your

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own . My wife , my grandson who lives

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with us and myself went out to dinner

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Thanksgiving day . Smart man

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, you know we could have done

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it cheaper , had we

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thought in advance this was

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what was going to happen , and got in touch and got Hello Fresh

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to deliver the food we needed

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.

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See , that's the thing is . If

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you had this situation

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and I don't mean you , john , I mean people who

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are listening you

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please the crowd without the hassle

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. They have things from , like a charcuterie

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board , which I've already told you . I didn't know they had

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to these incredible mouthwatering

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desserts what was the one

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you had mentioned ? You got like mini cheesecakes

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, the pumpkin cheesecake .

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Oh my gosh , I know that's

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craziness .

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Yeah , I seriously think

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we might be one

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of the dumbest people on the planet because we talk

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about Hello Fresh . I've used Hello

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Fresh , but in a pinch , like

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a moron , I ran to the grocery store Right

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.

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And Hello Fresh is not just . It's not just

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for dinner anymore . Yeah , in

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fact it never has been just for dinner because , like

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Neil said , you can get . You can get the

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hassle out of every meal time with

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easy breakfast , quick lunches

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, snacks , all

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delivered with your weekly box . It's

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fresh , it goes from the farm to your

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door and it's all delicious

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, it's all quick , it's all

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Feel like that could be our new theme

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, approach free

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On second thought , maybe not

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. We have a great guest from the

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world old baseball . Abozabal

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Baseball been very , very good to us

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and to him . Jeff

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Cerullo is our guest and he's coming up next

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Shot . I am John Ashton .

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I am Neil Michaels and with us

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today , another luminary

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guest . Gentlemen

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had played in Major League Baseball

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for 14 years , a two-time

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All-Star , played with the Brewers

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, the Rockies , the Mariners , the Padres , the Twins

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, the Diamondbacks , but best known as

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a Brewer and a member of the Brewers

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Wall of Honor , jeff Cerullo

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. Thanks for joining us in the clubhouse

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.

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Hey , what's up guys ? Good to see you

9:43

.

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Are we applauding now , John ? I didn't

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realize . I didn't . I see when

9:48

I don't come to rehearsal , I know

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, I know Pause thing . I'm sorry .

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Talk about that later , not a problem .

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Jeff , how is the golf game

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? How's the family ? How's everybody these

9:58

days ?

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Everyone's great . You know , my golf game seems

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to be better when I leave the state of Washington

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. So , yeah , we're living in Indian

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Wells in the wintertime , so kind

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of what baseball players do . We're Sunseekers

10:10

, and the golf game seems to get better when I get

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in the California

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area . Coach .

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It does seem to happen . And my golf game

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gets better when I go to Arizona in the winter

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, because I never take out

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a driver . I never take out

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a three-wood Everything's either an iron

10:26

or a fairway wood because it just bounces

10:28

forever . You hit a ball 180

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and you drive the green for that 300 .

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That's right . That's right . Yeah , it's definitely

10:35

, and I think that a lot of the courses , at least in

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Palm Springs , it's well . It's a Nicholas

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course . There's two Nicholas courses where I live

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and you know very forgiving off

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the box so you

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don't feel squeezed off the box , and

10:49

then kind of squeezes you on the green

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to where it's like look , I'm going to

10:54

make you feel good off the tee , but if

10:56

you don't hit the green I'm trying to force it . The

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course is made to make you get a bogey on it

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.

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Isn't it nice that it's in your hometown so

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that you can go back and have that happen to you

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over and over , and , over and over again

11:08

?

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Yes , yes , yes .

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Trust me , I know where my deficiency

11:13

is in my golf game for sure

11:15

, and Nicholas is like that

11:17

, though he loves making

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a course that looks easy , but plays

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hard .

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Right , right , yes , so it's

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a good course . It's a place called Tuscana

11:28

, down in Indian Wells , California .

11:29

Very nice courses two of them , my sister-in-law

11:32

and brother-in-law , have a place not far from there in

11:34

Palm Desert , so at

11:37

some point maybe we'll come say hi , listen

11:39

, let's talk a little bit about your playing time

11:41

. You know I mentioned all those teams that

11:43

you played with , but people pretty much know you as

11:46

a brewer or as a rocky and

11:48

you went to college , at USC you started out as

11:50

a pitcher and I guess that's how you get that

11:52

third baseman's arm , huh .

11:54

Well , as luck would have it , my fastball

11:56

was very straight and I couldn't

11:59

really put much sink on it

12:01

, which maybe didn't benefit me too much

12:03

as a pro pitcher . But for third

12:05

base I had a very true , accurate

12:08

, strong arm .

12:08

Yeah , I bet you they like that better than

12:10

having a better . The first baseman probably

12:12

likes you having a straight fastball

12:15

rather than having a curveball .

12:17

Yeah , or a fastball that moves in everywhere

12:19

. So it doesn't really .

12:21

You don't have a good shelf life if your fastball

12:23

moves all over the place and John

12:25

just to warn you ahead of time

12:27

Jeff graduated magna cum laude , so

12:30

we're going to have to take it up a notch

12:32

. What you mean we Jeff

12:37

. You had a couple of really interesting distinctions

12:39

in your career . You played 1617

12:41

games without going to the postseason until

12:44

2007 with the Diamond back

12:46

. So we're glad for you that

12:48

that happened , because we talked to guys who

12:50

never got there . The thing that I

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think is a purist that

12:54

I love about your

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career is that you hit 300

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, six times . 300

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, or better , six times during your

13:03

career , but , more

13:05

importantly , over 320

13:07

, four times . So you didn't hit

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300 or 301 . You

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were just killing it . You were an artist

13:15

with the bat .

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That's funny that you say that , because most

13:18

people would never bring that up . You're like

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, wow , I hit over 300 , six times in

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his career . I'm like no , I'm like

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300 was like the benchmark . I'm

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like 320

13:29

for a right-hand hitter that didn't have blazing

13:31

speeds and super power . So

13:33

, yeah , I definitely had to manage my bats

13:36

and manage the move the bat around and manipulate

13:38

the barrel for sure .

13:39

And I think that these

13:41

days and I hate to sound like one of the older guys

13:43

, but these days it seems to me that that

13:46

art has gone

13:48

. This is the era of the long ball and

13:50

it's incredible that you look at the stats

13:52

of some of these guys today , you'll

13:54

see 25 homers , 80 RBIs

13:57

, but at two 10 batting average

13:59

. And somebody will talk about the war

14:02

is great and the this is great , and it's like , wait

14:04

a minute . If in your day and age

14:06

somebody hit two 10 , if

14:08

it wasn't Dave Kingman , nobody

14:11

cared . It would be like hey , dude , you got

14:13

to at least hit 250 for anybody to give

14:15

you any kind of respect .

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That's exactly right . Well , there's a few more nuances

14:20

in the game . Obviously there's more velocity

14:22

on average Right . When I

14:24

left baseball , I think the average fastball

14:27

in the major leagues was 90 , 91 . And

14:29

now I think right handers are averages

14:31

like 93.5 . And

14:34

that number is only going up . But for your listeners

14:36

and for people that might not have played baseball

14:38

and like what's the difference ? You know , two miles

14:40

an hour , it's big right . I mean you had two

14:42

to five miles an hour on your swing speed . It's a

14:44

difference in a lot of distance off the

14:46

off the tee . There's that one , and then

14:49

analytics . You know , there's a computer

14:51

and there's this thing called rubs auto or

14:53

hit tracks or track man . That

14:55

can basically , and and you give

14:58

someone like me who what had 6000

15:00

at bats in the major leagues , and if I

15:02

had 4000 with those of bats off

15:04

right handed pitchers , they'd

15:06

have a pretty good idea of where I

15:08

hit the ball and they could laser it down there

15:10

. Okay , when he hits the ball on the ground , this is where

15:12

he hits it . When he hits the ball in the outfield , this is where

15:14

he hits it . So they can

15:17

pinpoint that . So I'm glad that

15:19

they did away with the shifting a little bit . But

15:21

velocity and analytics

15:23

as far as you know where this guy

15:26

actually hits the ball is definitely

15:28

played a factor in that in the

15:30

average is being lowered .

15:32

The smash factor in golf is a maximum

15:34

of 1.5 . Is it the same

15:37

, in the mean that what physics

15:39

says it you get , the ball speed cannot

15:41

be any faster than one and a half times the

15:43

club speed . Is it the same

15:45

ratio ? And in Invase

15:47

ball , even though the bats made out of wood ?

15:49

I don't know if they've come up with an idea where

15:51

where they can measure hands . He yet which

15:53

is kind of strange day , do you think

15:55

you should be able to measure hands ? Feed of

15:57

a guy can accelerate the barrel through the

15:59

zone , but more

16:01

it's more on the launch angle

16:04

. What the perfect launch angle is based

16:06

on a and those

16:08

are called barrels . And there's actually a stat today

16:10

where you know it's like

16:12

everything today in baseball and everything is a stat

16:14

like all . Instead of X factor be like

16:17

barrel factor or smash , your

16:19

smash factor would be barrel percentage

16:21

. That's okay . Guys are looking

16:23

for like over ninety degree , over

16:26

ninety miles an hour off the barrel , with

16:28

you know , reaching the Eighteen

16:31

to twenty two launch angle .

16:32

That would be considered a barrel in today's

16:35

game one of the things that I

16:37

am completely blown

16:39

away by you never

16:41

struck out a hundred times

16:43

in a season , never . And

16:45

in multiple seasons you walked

16:48

more than you struck out . That

16:50

talks more about your eye

16:53

than it does your ability to hit , but

16:55

I they're obviously tied together .

16:57

You know the plate doesn't change right . The

16:59

pitches might be a little faster , they

17:01

might be a little sharper when it comes from major

17:03

leagueers , but if you can control that

17:06

zone , that's half the battle

17:08

. Today there's a big thing . It's like you

17:10

know what's his chase rate . They didn't obviously have a

17:13

chase rate when I was playing to measure

17:15

, but I was always one of those guys

17:17

that I wanted to walk . I want to get one walk

17:19

For every ten at bats I had

17:21

. You know I thought that was a really good ring . You know , if

17:23

I had seven hundred of bats , you know I

17:25

try and get seventy walks and

17:27

usually would be like a one point five

17:30

to one walk ratio . You

17:32

know . So if I walk seventy times when

17:34

maybe that's probably a little high , but you know , if I

17:36

was gonna walk so many times , I want to

17:39

be in the strikeouts . I always try to be one for

17:41

one . It's really hard to do , obviously

17:43

, because you know it's hard to draw three walks in one game

17:45

. But you face Randy Johnson , lot Maybe

17:49

. And now the sudden , you know , now

17:51

you got to go the next twenty seven at bats without a strikeout

17:53

to make that measure of

17:55

one to one . But I was always staunch

17:59

on trying to draw one walk for ten at bats

18:01

and keep my walks and strikeouts

18:03

level .

18:04

I heard Wade Boggs describe one

18:07

time why he was such a good hitter and

18:09

he said that most people their

18:11

dominant eye is the same side as

18:13

they would bat . So if your right handed

18:16

batter , your right eye is more dominant , he

18:18

said his , one of his Pluses

18:21

at the plate was that was the

18:23

eye closer to the ball , that was the dominant eye

18:25

. That's why he could see it better .

18:27

Phil Mickelson . I guess when he played baseball was a right hand hitter

18:29

. Yeah

18:32

, he was right , dominant he's naturally

18:34

right handed .

18:35

He played because he learned to play golf by mirroring his

18:37

dad .

18:39

Right . But I always heard that the story that his

18:41

, that she made him hit golf

18:43

left handed because he was that right eye

18:46

dominant , leading forward . So I don't know , do

18:48

the studies when we were , and we were

18:50

tested for everything in spring training the

18:52

one thing you got to have in baseball is you got to have great vision and I think

18:54

that mine was like 2015 , 2020

18:57

, 2015 probably being in

18:59

my right eye , in 2020 in my left .

19:04

When you found out that you became an

19:06

all star , first with the Brewers

19:08

and then with the Rockies . Do you remember how you found

19:10

out , when you found out and how you felt ?

19:14

Oh yeah , it was great . I mean it was one of those ones in 97

19:16

when I made the team and quite

19:18

frankly , I always thought that 300

19:21

was like the bare minimum right and I know that the

19:25

thing that I think I went into that

19:27

all star game in 97 and to be honest , you

19:29

know , I hit 288 that year and had a good year , like

19:34

as far as in relative terms of major

19:36

league baseball . I remember getting home at the end of

19:38

the season I was thinking , man , I'm the worst player in the league Because

19:42

I felt like it was 300 or bust . you know it was a

19:44

different sleep . You

19:51

know it's a different sleep when you're hitting 300

19:53

and 300 plus than it is when you dip below that 300 . So

19:56

I don't know where I went with that question

19:58

, but I don't know if that answered the question at all . In

20:03

Colorado , yeah sure

20:05

, in Colorado .

20:07

Interestingly enough , everybody talked about what

20:09

a hitters ballpark it was and you know the

20:11

balls were flying out , especially , you

20:13

know , as people are getting a no course field , and

20:15

your first year there you hit 11 home runs

20:17

. You hit 326 , but you knocked

20:19

in 115 runs , which

20:22

is that's a power hitter number . So

20:24

if you only hit 11 home runs , 115

20:27

RBIs means you got a lot of hits that

20:29

year .

20:30

I did . It was just one of those ones

20:32

with runs and scrum position and I

20:34

just knew from a pitching standpoint

20:37

you know their stuff always gets a little better when

20:40

there's paint right and when we call it paint

20:42

the industry , you know that

20:44

that number at the end , the hit , you

20:46

know hit as a hit In the major

20:48

leagues . But they know that they were being paid on

20:50

that earned run average and winning baseball games back then and

20:53

their stuff used to get better . So I always knew that

20:56

that guy doesn't want that run

20:58

to score . I don't care if the score is 20 to

21:00

0 or 0 to 0 . I

21:02

know at the end of the day that that guy is

21:04

paid for his earned run average at the end of the season . And

21:07

so I knew that either he was going to try and

21:09

throw first pitch slow breaking ball or a breaking

21:12

ball Because he wanted to get

21:14

me to roll it over to the third baseman , or

21:16

he was going to try and really jam me because he wants

21:18

me to hit the ball to the third baseman or jam me to keep the ball

21:20

in the infield . So I just looked

21:22

breaking ball and I looked out over the field and literally

21:25

was my . My mentality was to get jammed with the fastball and

21:29

to use the middle of the field and so , and like

21:31

you said , playing Colorado , there was so

21:33

much space because the outfielders had to play deep . So

21:36

there was , when you looked out at the field

21:38

, you know , you just saw a huge , fair way to hit

21:40

to right and

21:43

obviously a contrast to that , you know

21:45

, when you went on the road it felt like you were

21:47

playing at Sahali . Alright , I

21:49

have one thing that I've been dying to ask you , especially considering what

21:51

has just happened .

21:52

recently you

21:59

pitched one inning in

22:02

Major League Baseball . You walk

22:04

two , but you struck out

22:06

one batter . Do you remember who

22:08

that batter was ?

22:10

Yeah , craig Council , yeah

22:12

, he's nipped by that too . I just

22:14

Imagine that it

22:17

was fortunate and unfortunate for him Like

22:19

he was admired in like a three for 30

22:21

slump , right . And you know , at that time of his career

22:23

he was a bench player , right , he was a utility shortstop

22:26

for the Brewers and he

22:28

was like mired in a three for 30 slump . And

22:30

so the Diamondbacks , the Brewers

22:32

, are beating us by a lot . And so

22:34

Bob Melvin asked me which is kind

22:37

of funny in itself , because Bob Melvin and I had literally

22:39

been with the Diamondbacks for maybe 10 days

22:41

, right , brewers

22:43

, where I played the last two years and I knew everybody

22:46

, and so I couldn't really ham it up like

22:48

I wanted to because I was with a new

22:50

team , right , and we're getting beat

22:52

. But Bob Melvin , who was the

22:55

bench coach in Milwaukee when

22:57

I was there and he was my manager with the Mariners , and

22:59

he grabbed me down the stretch for the Diamondbacks and he said

23:01

hey , rill , if we don't come back

23:03

in this next inning . And I was now in the

23:05

game being a utility infielder because I was old

23:07

, 37 . And

23:10

so now I'm hitting in the bottom

23:12

of the eighth inning . He's like hey , rill , if

23:14

we don't make a comeback here do you want to pitch

23:16

the ninth inning ? And I told him , I looked at him

23:19

, I got him , like I've been waiting 14 years

23:21

to pitch the ninth inning , you

23:25

know being a pitcher right In college . And

23:28

so now I'm thinking , gosh , do I really want to get on base

23:30

to start a rally or do I want

23:32

to make it out Because I really want to pitch ? Oh

23:35

my gosh .

23:36

The interesting thing about that is if

23:38

people are thinking , wait , craig Count , he

23:41

just was named the manager of the Cubs , so

23:44

he's had even more success

23:46

as a manager than he did , maybe as a player

23:48

. So I'm

23:50

sure the higher he gets up

23:53

the food chain , the more he's going to

23:55

remember that day . And he's going

23:57

to do that to somebody . He's going to bring in somebody . He's going to be

23:59

like yeah , you're my , Jeff Cirillo , come on in

24:01

.

24:02

Oh , I don't think so anymore , because these guys

24:05

, when they come in to pitch the ninth inning , you see them , they

24:07

just lob it in there , right ? You

24:09

know , when a position player pitched the ninth inning back in my

24:11

day , you know , first of all it was a rarity , right ? A

24:13

lot of managers , you know they would never put

24:15

up that white flag , right , they'd

24:18

be like we're going to pitch the pitchers . You know I'm not pitching . A position

24:20

player that shows like a white

24:22

flag mentality , like Ned Yose

24:24

would never let me pitch the ninth inning

24:26

and I'm like come on , Nedly , let me do it

24:29

Today . You know , these guys , when they throw , they

24:31

just lob it in there . They don't even look back at

24:33

the gun because they're throwing like 61

24:35

miles an hour .

24:37

Yeah , I mean , you definitely had that advantage

24:40

pitching in college .

24:41

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24:44

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OK , like we've promised , or some may

26:03

think , threatened to come back and we

26:05

are here . I'm John Ashton . We are

26:07

the Approach Shot .

26:09

And we're with Jeff Cirillo , major

26:11

league baseball player , 14-year career

26:13

. And before we get into golf

26:15

, Jeff , I heard this great story

26:18

that you are this hopeless

26:20

romantic . Tell us how

26:22

you propose to May .

26:24

I don't think I'm a hopeless romantic . No

26:27

, that's the wrong way , come

26:30

on . No , I am not .

26:32

You got the wrong . Jeff Cirillo man , that's

26:34

wrong .

26:36

No , we're not going there .

26:38

I think the way the story goes

26:40

is at some point she

26:43

said , I don't know , I think we should get married

26:45

. And you were like , do you ? And she said yeah , and you

26:47

said OK .

26:48

Yeah , that's it .

26:49

Yeah , that's what

26:51

I meant .

26:52

OK , I didn't know where you were going

26:54

with that buddy .

26:58

Yeah , so there was a lot of planning . You got down

27:00

on one knee , you went up in a hot air balloon . No

27:02

, you sat around the kitchen table and said what do you think

27:04

? Ok , yes , yeah

27:06

, that's pretty much it .

27:07

Ok , there you go . How much

27:09

time do you get on the course , jeff ?

27:11

The Palm Springs lifestyle . Let me give it to you

27:13

. Everything starts the ops around 8 AM

27:16

. It starts right .

27:17

OK .

27:18

Oh , and I love pickleball , and pickleball is

27:20

the one thing that I do for my exercise , right ? I'm

27:22

not going to the gym , I'm not riding a bike , I

27:24

don't like the hike , and I know that the pickleball

27:26

will make me sweat and I'll lose weight . And

27:29

even if I'm not playing great at pickleball , I

27:31

know that at least I'm getting something out of it . Right ? But

27:33

there's also golf , and every

27:35

Monday , wednesday , friday , there's a group

27:38

of things and we play with the they call it peppers

27:40

down here and it's kind of like a Vegas game , you

27:43

know , like anyway

27:45

. So do matches of six and play

27:48

18 holes . They have an internal handicap

27:50

just for this one game . You don't have to email

27:52

anyone . Ball's in the air at 8 AM . Love

27:55

it , yeah . So I measure

27:57

whether I'm going to go play pickleball

27:59

or I'm going to go play peppers , and

28:01

you can only choose one because , like

28:04

I said , everything the clock starts

28:06

at 8 AM around , whether pickleball

28:08

or golf . So I

28:11

would be play in the summertime I

28:13

don't play as much as you would

28:15

think , but down here I'd probably play four

28:17

times a week , ok .

28:20

Wow , so that's a

28:22

way to get the game going on all

28:24

cylinders .

28:26

I love the internal handicap for

28:28

that one game right , and

28:30

we play inside the leather for

28:32

putting those scraping

28:34

putts and you play the ball down Like

28:36

if so , if you get a nine on

28:39

a hole , you get a nine on a hole

28:41

, and then of course then they'll

28:43

readjust it later for you . So for the next time

28:45

, right , right , but

28:47

you're still going to put on the nine . Yeah

28:50

, oh , we'll adjust you later , don't worry . So

28:54

that way there's no chardonnay

28:57

fluff your handicap on the weekend

28:59

and then come back , and so

29:01

there's really very little sandbagging going

29:03

on there , which is great .

29:04

Yeah .

29:05

So I enjoy that a lot .

29:07

Very cool .

29:08

Jeff , I live

29:10

in San Diego and , like I said

29:12

, we have relatives in Palm Desert so

29:14

we go to visit their place a

29:17

lot In the summer

29:19

. For those who don't know

29:21

, in Palm Springs it's 105

29:23

. So are you telling me you play golf or

29:26

pickleball four times a week in 105

29:28

degrees .

29:29

Well , you did your homework and you

29:31

nailed it . Earlier we live in Washington

29:33

for six months , and then we live in Indian Wells for six

29:36

months .

29:36

There you go .

29:37

Sunseeker , but not too much sun .

29:39

Not too much sun when it gets

29:41

into the mid 90s . You guys are on a plane

29:43

90s

29:45

is still doable , that's fine .

29:48

I mean not early , and you know how that works in

29:50

the desert . It's still not . If it's in the mid 90s

29:52

or in the day , it's still got that desert in the morning

29:54

, so you can still get out there and play . But

29:57

once it gets to be 100 , it's

29:59

time to leave , and if I'm mid

30:01

90s , it's time to leave town .

30:03

Yeah , hey , you

30:05

spent some time on FSN Wisconsin

30:08

as a broadcaster . Are

30:10

you still doing that ?

30:11

No , I've done . I've

30:13

always sampled with it . But they always

30:15

wanted me to kind of move back to Milwaukee

30:17

and kind of be in the rotation . I'm like that's

30:19

hard to leave because Washington is I don't know if you guys

30:21

have been there Washington is unreal in the summertime

30:24

, especially , you know , mid June

30:26

through September . Basically it's

30:28

one of the best places . You know , san Diego is nice , but

30:31

I'd have to argue with it that Washington

30:33

might even be better than San Diego in the summer .

30:35

Yeah , especially having to go back

30:37

to Milwaukee . No offense to

30:39

Milwaukee , but you know , if you're living

30:41

in a place that's that gorgeous , it's

30:43

a little tough . Yeah . And

30:46

John and I were having fun with

30:49

the fact that you were a partner in Pacific Baseball

30:51

Ventures , which owns the everybody

30:54

say it together Walla Walla

30:56

Sweets and the Yakima

30:58

Valley Pippins , both of which are collegiate

31:01

wood bat leagues . I have

31:03

no idea what that means .

31:05

Well , walla Walla the city's so nice

31:07

they named it twice . Ha ha

31:09

ha ha . The name

31:11

comes from the Walla Walla Sweet

31:13

Onion . Take it from like a little city

31:16

, a little branding there . The

31:18

Pippins is a type of apple

31:20

that has grown in Yakima . We

31:23

actually wanted to be the Yakima hops

31:25

. So there used to be a minor league team in Yakima

31:27

called the Yakima Bears , and then they moved

31:30

to Hillsborough and they called themselves

31:32

Hillsborough hops , even though there's no hops

31:34

in Hillsborough but Yakima has tons

31:36

of hops . So we had to go with the second

31:38

best choice , which is like a bitter

31:40

tart , like baking apple the

31:42

Pippin .

31:43

And their collegiate leagues , meaning

31:45

their college age .

31:47

Yes . So it's college . They all have amateur

31:50

status and we tend

31:52

to just gravitate towards maybe like

31:54

the really really high achieving senior that's

31:56

committed to like a really good D1

31:59

school , ucla , or just guys

32:01

that have played well and excelled already at the

32:03

college level and they run a

32:06

50-7 game schedule for about a two and

32:08

a half month and all the teams

32:10

are kind of in the Northwest and

32:13

the majority partner of my team is crazy

32:15

. You say this because when I first retired from baseball , I'm like

32:17

I can always say like an athlete dies

32:19

twice , right , because now what

32:21

? Right ? Whether it be at 23

32:24

or 38 , there's

32:26

still that bridge to gap who

32:30

actually are done , and someone was asked well , what

32:32

are you gonna do now ? I was like well , I really had a great experience

32:34

in Alaska when I went away from USC

32:36

in the summertime and I'd really like to be involved

32:38

in this little West Coast league . But I've been having

32:40

trouble getting together with this one guy

32:42

who's I don't know and he's a big tech guy

32:45

, loves baseball . But it's been hard

32:47

. We had some steam , then we lost it and

32:49

I had a batting cage in my house , in my garage

32:51

, and I was giving a lesson to my neighbor his kid

32:53

and he's like , well , who is it ? I'm like , well , it's a guy named

32:55

his name's John Stanton . Lo and behold

32:57

John Stanton , he's now the chairman

33:00

of the board of the Seattle Mariners . So

33:04

I can say that I'm in business with the

33:06

Seattle Mariners .

33:07

Well , as a guy who lives about 12 miles

33:09

from the Louisville Slugger factory , thanks for using

33:11

wood bats .

33:13

So as your position basically just going to watch

33:15

, or you actually actively participate

33:18

in teaching , when we first got started

33:20

I still was working and with

33:22

the Angels because you

33:24

know , I was still involved and but to get it off the ground

33:26

, I think we're , I think we've played 15

33:29

or 16 years now it's

33:31

crazy , you know right along and

33:33

but when we first started I was kind of the baseball

33:35

ops guy to kind of open

33:38

the doors and meet with the college coaches , just

33:40

saying who we are and what we are

33:42

all about , and hopefully we're able

33:44

to procure , you know , three of your players

33:46

per season which helps , you know

33:48

, fill that roster .

33:50

Yeah , do the college coaches accept it ? Well

33:52

, do they look at it as a way for their guys

33:54

to excel even further ?

33:56

Yeah , I think so . It's

33:58

funny , though when you're not over there

34:00

, you know , it's kind of out of sight , out of mind . And so we grabbed

34:02

a GM and our GM , to begin

34:04

with , was great at marketing especially , came up with the

34:07

name and the brand and it was a great name . You

34:09

know , even though I'm a little reluctant I'm like baseball

34:11

players being the sweets , I'm

34:14

like it's a little weird , but it's a great name

34:16

. And after about

34:18

year two he's like , okay , I

34:20

got it . And I'm like , okay , you got it right

34:22

. You know , thinking

34:25

that we'd be a GM one day . And

34:27

he was trying to impress Stanton , who's

34:30

now owner of the Mariners . And he's like , oh , I'm going to

34:32

be the , I'm going to wear every single

34:34

hat and do everything well . And so there

34:36

was a time when I was doing and then I was going to go coach it , cause

34:39

my kid , my youngest son , was playing baseball

34:41

at USC and I'm like you know what ? I'm going to go

34:43

coach him over there in Walla , walla . And

34:45

then COVID hit . So I was , I was

34:47

going to go manage it that one year , and

34:50

so I've never really gotten to check that box

34:52

. I've always wanted to do it . But now we have

34:54

another new GM over there . And even this

34:57

this past , like probably six , seven

34:59

weeks ago , I was like and so I'm like , well

35:01

, I'm going to check in on the sweets and be the manager

35:03

of that team . And then that GM's

35:05

like well , I got a manager and I'm like

35:08

God . I was like God , baseball

35:10

doesn't want me anymore . Take

35:14

myself manager of a team that I own . I'm

35:18

like God , how far is

35:20

this part ? I got to go

35:22

back and read my own Wikipedia page just to say

35:25

that I feel good about myself , knowing that I

35:27

played .

35:29

But could you imagine , oh , man , and give

35:31

us , give us a little time here , Jeff , we got

35:34

to make a buck or two , but could

35:36

you imagine being able to ? You're

35:38

a baseball player , you have aspirations

35:40

of playing professionally , you play

35:42

for a team and you've got a question and

35:44

you say I'm going to go ask a

35:47

man who hit over 320 , successive

35:49

years consecutively how to do

35:51

this . I mean , how wonderful

35:54

would that be to have a master at the craft

35:56

be able to teach you what you're doing .

35:58

Problem is , though , for the most part , those kids

36:00

don't ask that question , and even a ton

36:02

of friends that are still in baseball

36:05

and in like victory roles or whatever

36:07

, and they'll come in and like Mike Cameron

36:09

or someone of that note

36:11

, and those guys won't

36:14

say , like man , how did

36:16

you do that ? How did you hit 300 in the major leagues

36:18

? And it'd be a perfect . I'm not going

36:20

to go to them , but like , hey , look , this is how you hit 300 , because

36:22

you know unsolicited advice is never well

36:24

received , in my opinion . You know they

36:28

don't want to know . So you

36:30

know it's the rare kid that'll come up to you and

36:32

be like hey , you did this

36:34

, how did you do that ? And

36:37

then I would open up and tell them you know

36:39

my testimony and how I did it . You

36:41

know it's not . It wasn't like anything that's

36:43

eye opening or earth shattering

36:46

. There's not like it's just going to be an aha moment . It's

36:48

just , you know , being your game's

36:51

got to be airtight , just got to be super consistent

36:53

. Own the strikes , own it

36:55

, you know , own balls like you

36:57

know , and just fight . Every pitch is a fight

36:59

.

37:00

I guess that's a problem with the generation man

37:02

.

37:03

Jeff could teach a masterclass . That couldn't

37:05

he Masterclass ?

37:06

and hitting he could , yeah I mean , that's what I was trying

37:08

to say . You know , you've got a master

37:11

at the craft Right . Who's

37:13

there ?

37:14

And that's the whole idea . You know , right , and

37:17

this is us segue into a masterclass

37:19

commercial , which you feel free

37:21

to jump into , because

37:24

John and I started we

37:26

were talking about masterclass . You should

37:28

teach a masterclass , and hitting that's what they're looking for

37:30

. But John and I both jumped into

37:32

masterclass and John did a soliloquy

37:35

on the show last

37:37

week or the week before because he's taking

37:39

an acting class from Helen Mirren

37:42

, whereas I am taking a

37:44

wine appreciation class

37:46

. And John , I want to give you an update I

37:50

learned on my first and second

37:52

masterclass , because I don't know if people

37:55

get that . Masterclass is

37:57

not . You have to like , get on

37:59

at a certain time and listen at a certain

38:01

time , and there's this whole group of people around

38:04

and it's like no , it's , it's a , it's

38:06

a pre-recorded video , a series

38:08

of pre-recorded videos . That's the class

38:10

that you're taking . So it's the easiest thing

38:12

in the world . You get an

38:14

area of expertise that you're interested

38:16

in and you then

38:19

log on when you want , at

38:21

the time you want , in the area you

38:24

want , and you get some of the world's great experts

38:26

, like Jeff is with hitting On

38:28

an area of that you're most

38:31

interested in . So for me , the thing that's

38:33

interesting being in Southern California Is

38:35

. There are so many wineries here and I just wanted

38:37

to take a wine appreciation class . I know

38:40

nothing . I walk into Trader Joe's and if

38:42

there's a 699 bottle with my name on

38:44

it I'm bringing that home . I hope it's

38:46

good , but I would have no idea if it was

38:48

or not . Well , here's some of the stuff that I

38:50

learned . First of all , you

38:52

know that swirl that people do , yeah

38:55

, and you kind of go , wow , are you a snob for

38:57

doing that ? No , if you don't do

38:59

that , you're a moron , because the

39:01

swirl is to airy . And

39:03

here's the thing I learned you

39:05

pour about this much into

39:08

the glass and Swirl it a bunch

39:10

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And we are back the approach shot . I'm John Ashton

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I'm Neil Michaels and it is time for

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the dreaded six pack for Jeff

42:43

Cirillo , jeff doesn't look like

42:45

he's dreading it all that he doesn't look dreaded at all

42:47

. He's taking him . He's given a

42:49

couple of classes like this himself . Six

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pack here . What we do is we give

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you six questions , we fire them off at

42:57

you . We want you to give us the very first

42:59

answer that comes to mind no thinking

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, no hemming , no hawing , no hawing

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or hemming , either one of those things . And If

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we get that you're thinking about it , we're

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gonna give you a so First

43:11

thought that comes to mind . All right , yes

43:14

, you ready for this ? Seem

43:18

the least bit concerned about this , does he

43:20

?

43:21

Face some of the best pictures in

43:23

the world . You think you're scaring him . I

43:26

don't think so , man .

43:27

It's nothing he did . You're ready to

43:29

talk about facing Randy Johnson ? Okay

43:31

, question one , jeff . Who

43:33

is the worst golfer that you play

43:36

with but you enjoy because

43:38

they are so much fun ?

43:40

Damon Buford .

43:43

Just like that ? Does

43:45

he know he's that bad ? No

43:47

, he's not that bad , but okay

43:50

, and what makes playing with him so much fun ?

43:52

We grew up together , we were roommates in college

43:54

and we can just give each other rib

43:57

each other back and forth . It's very fun .

43:59

Love it . Does he live in the area ?

44:02

He lives in . Yeah , he lives in San

44:04

Fernando Valley .

44:06

Gotcha All right . Question

44:08

two you get to play , catch and

44:10

chew the fat with anyone in

44:12

history , and it doesn't have to be somebody

44:14

that you know . Who are you having

44:16

a catch with ?

44:19

Babe Ruth I .

44:24

Believe . That's now babe . 70%

44:27

, everybody else less . Just

44:30

because he's the babe I .

44:32

Think that there's the question . Just , you're just trying

44:34

to . I don't want the buzzer to go off , so it's

44:36

the first thing , just okay , perfect

44:39

, see , a little fear , a little fear

44:41

of the book .

44:41

Okay , all right , all

44:43

right , I've been waiting to do this .

44:45

I was thinking about . I'd be like Charlie off

44:47

.

44:49

Yeah , okay , you could do this

44:51

, not .

44:51

What if I could catch this knuckleball ?

44:54

There you go . Okay , all

44:56

right . Question three , and I have been dying

44:58

to ask you this ever since we first started talking

45:00

. In 1998

45:03

, you led the league in grounding

45:05

into double plays with 26

45:07

. In Fact , in your career

45:09

it's the only stat where you

45:11

led the league in any category

45:14

. So we , the approach shot

45:16

, have made a trophy for you

45:18

and are gonna send it to you . Please

45:20

give us a couple of lines of your acceptance

45:23

speech .

45:25

Well , when you're young , dumb

45:27

and you can't run .

45:32

That's perfect .

45:34

Wow , we're gonna have to make that trophy a little

45:36

bit bigger . I

45:40

love it . Question , for you've spent

45:42

a lot of your off seasons living in Washington

45:44

State , but a lot of your playing career

45:46

in Milwaukee . So which

45:49

is a must-have for Jeff Cirillo , a

45:51

Seattle dog or a Milwaukee broth

45:53

?

45:54

Milwaukee brought all day long .

45:57

Wow , can you tell people what

45:59

a Seattle dog is ? Because Seattle kind

46:01

of is known for its seafood and stuff and when

46:03

I learned about Seattle dog I

46:05

was like hmm .

46:07

I'm gonna be honest with you . I have no idea what

46:09

you're talking about . When you're talking about a sale dog , is there

46:11

salmon in it ?

46:13

apparently it's a hot dog that's got

46:15

some non

46:17

Traditional hot dog things , yes

46:19

, and they serve it a lot at In

46:23

in what's what's the Seattle

46:25

market , the seafood market , fish market

46:27

like place market . Yeah . Yeah

46:30

okay , well , that must have been an easier

46:32

question , not knowing about what the other choice was

46:34

.

46:34

Right , I figured what that'll dog would be like

46:37

a salmon hot dog .

46:38

That's what it sounds like to me too , which is no thanks

46:40

, I'm good , no , all right . Question

46:43

five it's the holiday season

46:45

and a lot of people are gonna be making New Year's

46:47

resolutions . What's one

46:49

New Year's resolution you would make for your

46:51

golf game ?

46:52

that I could hit , that I either buy a hybrid

46:55

Seven iron or learn how to

46:57

hit a seven , six , seven

46:59

or eight iron . That's the one thing holding me back

47:01

.

47:04

Had , and so what do we do about that ? Are you buying

47:06

something here ? You just spend an inordinate amount

47:08

of time on the driving range with three clubs .

47:11

Well , you know , in my industry

47:13

there's a lot of five o'clock hitters , which means

47:16

that they're really good at five o'clock and that's

47:18

good at seven . Oh , five , that's

47:24

pretty good . And then some

47:26

days it feels good out there and then

47:28

some days I'm like , oh , I don't know which

47:30

way it's gonna go .

47:31

Yeah it does seem to be a thing . So

47:33

we'll , along with the trophy , we'll get you a

47:35

compass .

47:37

Well , we're a hybrid

47:39

seven iron .

47:40

There you go . Yeah , all right , in question

47:42

six . We asked this of everybody who comes on the show

47:44

, since we are the approach shot

47:46

. Jeff Cirillo , in your approach to

47:48

life , what one rule do you live

47:51

by ?

47:53

Being peckable with my word and

47:56

Treat . Treat others how you'd

47:58

want to be treated . No matter like I

48:01

was always big on no matter

48:03

how big or small the person , treat

48:05

him equally and fair .

48:08

Boom . Well , you're right , john

48:10

, he didn't look worried at all

48:12

and he was not phased . Yeah

48:15

, you are off the hot seat

48:17

, jeff Cirillo . Well done .

48:19

Thank you , thank you .

48:20

Okay for six , seven and eight iron , just

48:23

about an inch forward of the middle

48:25

of your stance , man .

48:26

God , but I already hit it . I already hit a really high ball

48:28

. Okay so

48:31

I've actually kind of played with hitting

48:33

, putting the ball . More than that little yeah

48:35

cuz I hit , I just hit the ball

48:38

like I can . My drive is probably about 260

48:41

still , so I can still get it out there pretty good yeah

48:43

but my iron , like

48:46

my , I'm my height , my eight

48:48

iron goes like 140

48:51

and my seven iron goes like 153

48:53

and I just hit it so high in the air .

48:55

Okay , so I mean those

48:58

, those aren't bad numbers for seven and eight irons

49:00

, but but I know , mr Mr 320

49:02

probably wants to go further .

49:04

No , no , I would rather to go

49:06

straighter .

49:08

Ah , okay .

49:09

You know what it is I play with . I play

49:11

with a little bit of a draw , but

49:13

my natural swing is a little bit more of a fade

49:15

. Okay , I

49:17

should just lose the distance

49:19

and play the , but when I play

49:21

a fade with my eight iron it probably goes about 130

49:24

. Yeah , like , right . So

49:26

I'm just , I don't , I don't know , I don't pinch

49:29

the ball , I tend to like hit it

49:31

like a baseball bat . So , like , my hybrids

49:33

and quads are good . Yeah

49:35

, the fact that I'm I just get super

49:38

steep with the irons and I don't pinch the ball

49:40

, I scoop it .

49:41

Gotcha .

49:43

That's all that pickleballing See now you've

49:45

got a different swing you're dealing with it is

49:47

yeah , right , I'm always used to hitting in

49:49

back of a ball . Yeah , and now you're

49:51

on top of the ball . I'm like that just sounds so foreign

49:53

to me , but like never don't

49:56

really have to ever replace divots with my irons

49:58

ever .

49:59

Yeah , really , I was going to ask that to you . I think

50:01

I strayed rather than the

50:04

kid . Yeah , yeah .

50:06

So there you go .

50:07

Well , I had . I had one question on the six pack

50:09

that I didn't ask , because we

50:11

do only six questions . So that's why you

50:15

have three boys Cole , Carson

50:17

and Connor . The question I was going to add , the

50:19

six pack question . I was going to ask which more of a smart

50:21

alec question , which is , which

50:23

of the boys would you want in the cart with you

50:26

and which of them would insist on being in

50:28

the cart with you ? Let's start there .

50:30

I think that my middle son , carson

50:32

he was a golfer in college at

50:34

Puget Sound University . I

50:37

think that the person I'd want in the cart would

50:40

probably be him

50:42

, and the person I wouldn't want in my cart

50:44

is my oldest son , cole , cause when when

50:46

he's playing bad , then everyone's going to play bad

50:48

because he'll just make the round , just make

50:51

the round miserable for everybody .

50:54

I played with guys like that .

50:55

Yep , yeah , yeah , it

50:57

does , it does , it changes . It's like this

50:59

black cloud over you

51:02

the whole time . Jeff , you

51:04

know I get that all three of the boys'

51:06

first names start with a C

51:08

and I'm guessing that

51:10

you know there are other letters in the alphabet

51:12

. Yes , was this just

51:14

so that you could get the towels embroidered and just

51:16

give it to anybody ?

51:19

Actually my first son his name is Jeffrey

51:22

Cole and

51:24

then the middle one , carson

51:27

Carson Palmer

51:29

, and I went to USC and Carson Palmer was the

51:31

USC quarterback

51:35

and then when you have the third one , you're always like , well

51:37

, you're already , you're already two down , you might as well go

51:39

with a C . Yeah , you would kind of be

51:41

fair to if you didn't .

51:42

He used to have no chance to do it . He was not going to be

51:45

a David , no matter what .

51:47

And it's Connor with an O , not an E . Everyone

51:49

always puts anE to Connor instead of

51:51

the O , so so

51:53

he always has to be like Connor with an O , not E

51:55

, because I ever assumed it's

51:58

Connor like E R , but it's O

52:00

All right .

52:02

If somebody said to me it's Connor with

52:04

an O , that would throw me because I

52:06

would think , wait , no , it starts with a C . But

52:08

I would never occur to me to put an E in

52:11

there unless it was the last name . Wow

52:13

, Okay , Well good , I love that

52:16

. I love that you have that . And again , with

52:19

the holidays coming , just get a bunch

52:21

of embroider towels and they'll just make their way

52:23

around all the CCs that there

52:25

are Everything for everybody .

52:27

Why would they want to do that when they can just take mine ?

52:31

How do ?

52:31

you go to , just

52:33

like a phone cord , you know , get

52:36

them embroidered Apple phone

52:38

cords that say C , c on every one

52:40

of them , and then you go from each other

52:43

and then I'll get one for myself that

52:46

says JC on it . And this one's community

52:49

you guys steal from each other .

52:53

There was a whole thought process behind

52:55

that when these kids were being born . I

52:57

love it . Do you have something

52:59

for hanging out with us today ? It's been an absolute

53:02

blast and I'm

53:04

still . There are guys

53:06

we had Dave Magadan on a couple of

53:08

weeks ago and your career and his remind

53:11

me of each other , because it

53:13

really was a lost art and guys who hit

53:15

320 , 315 , 326

53:19

, in your day . That

53:21

was awesome and again you

53:23

held yourself to a higher standard . These days

53:25

, you would win the batting title by 20 points

53:27

.

53:28

I know . Well , I would hope to think that I could . I'm

53:30

never going to be one of those old timers that said

53:32

like in my day , you know and

53:35

get off my lawn . I'm going to

53:37

tell you today that the velocity

53:39

that these guys are seeing , it would be much

53:41

harder to . I mean , if you don't get a hit in that

53:43

first three at bats , you know . And then they start bringing

53:46

out the bullpen . You know these guys are throwing

53:48

100 , you know 97 to 100 . It's

53:51

not the most comfortable feeling

53:53

up there . Granted , maybe if you see more of it , you

53:55

know you get the timing of it . But you know there's

53:58

a reason why in softball

54:00

they move the mound back . You

54:02

know , because it was

54:04

with the more velocity , you see , the less

54:07

time for error . You have right , I mean , you got

54:09

to make a split . The decision goes up even

54:11

faster , so tougher to hit today

54:13

.

54:13

Well , I still think you would hit over 300

54:16

, though you would only think that was mediocre

54:18

.

54:19

Right , Right . Well , you'd be based on 300

54:21

would ? Yeah , I might not have had as

54:23

many comfortable sleeps . How about that ?

54:25

There you go , perfect . Great

54:28

to meet you , jeff . Appreciate you spending time

54:30

with us here , man .

54:31

All right , have a great day . Bye boys . Thanks you too .

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