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All right, today's episode is David

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Goggins. David is a retired Navy SEAL

3:31

and the only member of the US Armed Forces

3:33

to complete SEAL training, Army Ranger

3:35

School, and Air Force Tactical Air

3:37

Controller training. Goggins has completed more than 70

3:40

ultra-distance races, often placing in

3:42

the top five, and is a former

3:44

Guinness World Record holder for completing 4,030 pull-ups

3:48

in 17 hours. He's the author

3:50

of two bestselling books, Can't Hurt Me and

3:52

Never Hurt Me. Today, we're going to talk about

3:55

his journey, how he became one of the greatest endurance

3:57

athletes in the world, and what it takes to develop

3:59

true mental

4:00

David also shares the secret to building high

4:03

value relationships, his biggest motivator

4:05

and how he goes beyond his mental limits, why

4:08

you need to reshape your identity to achieve

4:11

greatness and how him and his wife build

4:13

and attack their goals together. It's a

4:15

huge honor. Welcome David.

4:17

For most of our listeners, I've encouraged your backstory.

4:20

Your list of accomplishments at this point

4:23

seem unreal to them. Obviously,

4:26

going through ultra marathon

4:28

running, logging the miles you've logged, the

4:30

chin-ups, everything that you've done physically,

4:34

when most people hear it, they're like, well, that's impossible.

4:37

That was my first thought. My first

4:39

exposure to you was your interview with

4:41

Joe Rogan. And I'm watching

4:43

it and I'm sitting like, this guy cannot be

4:45

for real. There's no fucking way. And of

4:47

course, I'm instantly on Wikipedia and I'm

4:49

like, holy shit. There's

4:52

video footage. Okay.

4:55

So now I'm just going to shut my mouth and I'm going

4:57

to listen to what this guy has to say because

5:00

obviously my mind is blown out

5:02

of the gate. And I also wanted

5:04

to start this by saying that, you

5:06

know, that all of us in

5:09

life hear things, read

5:12

things and see things that

5:15

instantly change our

5:17

perception of things from that point

5:20

on.

5:21

And it's rare

5:24

that we ever get to give thanks

5:27

to those sources. Right. So

5:29

I want to thank you. I appreciate that. Thank

5:32

you. Because after that interview with Rogan,

5:35

the way I had looked at my

5:37

waking up in the morning and working

5:40

out and starting the day instantly changed

5:42

from that point forward. So thank

5:45

you. Love it. Love it. Now,

5:47

you're a lovely fiancee in the room. Yes.

5:50

How does this relationship balance work when you

5:52

have such lofty goals for yourself? Physical

5:54

challenges you want to chip away at David

5:57

Goggins every day.

5:59

together so that she can reach her personal

6:02

goals, but then also as a couple, you guys can

6:04

recharge. Well,

6:06

the best thing, you got to find someone

6:09

that is just like you.

6:11

She has the same kind

6:14

of ambition that I have. So

6:17

what we're all about is, where do you want to

6:19

go next? And

6:21

she's like that with me, and I'm pushing

6:23

her like the same way. So it can't be

6:25

all about David Goggins. Can't

6:28

be all about David Goggins. You have to be able

6:30

to sacrifice. Hey, okay, Jennifer, what

6:32

the fuck do you want to do next? And

6:35

we got to put all of our cars into that shit.

6:38

So it's a, I don't believe

6:40

in a lot of balance in life because

6:43

you could be the best at

6:45

anything in life. That scale

6:47

has to be a little fucked up.

6:49

Had to be.

6:51

But in this situation right here, she has

6:54

no, I got her back. Like she has my back.

6:56

So it's not all about me. So we weren't good together

6:58

that way.

7:00

One of the big things that I feel a lot of

7:03

us have in our lives

7:05

is the doubters, especially the doubters

7:07

from family members and people

7:10

really close to us that we don't want to lose, but

7:12

are telling us, no, you can't. Your dreams are too

7:15

big. That's impossible. What the

7:17

hell is wrong with you, David? How do you deal

7:19

with those people in your life that you still care about,

7:21

but are like, you can't run 200 miles. What

7:24

is wrong with you? You're going to kill yourself. Well,

7:26

the honest

7:27

answer to that question is

7:29

there's a lot of them out there, but most

7:31

of them are that way for one big reason. They

7:34

can't see themselves doing it. They

7:37

can't see themselves doing it. It's one big reason. The

7:39

other reason is a lot of it is jealousy.

7:43

When you set these humongous fucking goals

7:46

and they see that you're getting at it. Let's

7:48

say for instance, we have a family. Let's say we're all a big family

7:50

here. All three of us, all four of

7:52

us are a big family and every fucking morning

7:54

I'm getting up training for a 200 mile run and

7:57

you see me give at four o'clock in the morning. And

8:00

all you fuckers are sleeping and by the time

8:02

I get done running my 30 you come I come home

8:05

just getting up How are you gonna feel about yourself?

8:08

A lot of times when you're overachiever and

8:10

you have people That's what talk about the mediocrity

8:13

thing a lot of our family members a lot of our

8:15

friends. They're mediocre There's

8:17

always those couple of guys who are

8:20

uncommon who want to be better But

8:22

you make that mediocre motherfucker feel like

8:24

shit,

8:25

whether it's your mom your dad whoever

8:27

you make him feel horrible I've been there. I'm speaking

8:29

from experience You get somebody around

8:31

you man who's trying to be better and

8:33

you don't have the drive that they have It's

8:36

a constant reminder of how fucked up

8:38

you are

8:40

You have to know that that's what it is

8:42

Anybody in your course not say man get

8:44

after it, but I'm so proud of you They

8:46

have a problem with themselves because all you

8:49

try to do is achieve more

8:50

if that's a problem for somebody

8:53

You have to look at them and say man You

8:56

really have a fucking problem with yourself, huh?

8:58

It's much deeper than what you think

9:00

It lies deep in your soul. How I was

9:02

able to fix myself

9:04

Was I saw how ugly I

9:06

was towards other people who were great. I

9:10

Was able to look back and say man, you

9:12

don't hate that motherfucker for any reason because he's

9:14

great and you're lazy You're

9:17

lazy. He makes you feel like

9:19

shit every single day So

9:22

it comes from you gotta know you have to

9:24

know where shit comes from to

9:27

be able to solve it, right? You know, it's

9:30

Interesting about that a lot of people

9:32

talk about you know You'll find out who

9:34

your true friends are when you're at your lowest That's

9:36

right. You'll also find out who your true friends are

9:38

when you're rising a hundred percent and

9:41

that mantra of whatever you don't like

9:43

Doing do it right. Love

9:45

it. Do something you fucking hate every day.

9:48

True thing is Is

9:50

jarring for most people to hear because most

9:53

of us seek out our comfort zone and

9:55

For you your

9:58

comfort zone with dealing

9:59

with some social anxiety and introversion is to

10:02

turn Edward. Right. So

10:05

how have you been able

10:07

to rebuild yourself? Because one

10:09

of the mantras we hear in your videos is I

10:11

built this motherfucker. Right. So

10:14

I take a lot of passion in who I am as a person,

10:16

as you hear, as this podcast

10:18

gets going and going and going, what

10:20

you're going to do is you're going to transform me

10:23

from this guy right now that's kind of chilled out

10:25

in this room, David Goggins to Goggins.

10:28

And I had to invent this person. David

10:31

Goggins is an introverted, soft

10:34

kid that got beat up growing

10:36

up and mindset had

10:38

to lie to create friends, to get friends,

10:40

to be accepted. So

10:43

my, my life has really

10:45

been about two people, very

10:48

scary, but two people. I had to

10:50

invent a whole another human being to

10:54

get outside of my comfort zone and

10:56

that human being became Goggins. Goggins

10:59

is like the guy that walked out

11:01

of the, on the phone booth. He's

11:03

like that Superman that walks out of the phone

11:06

booth. And I was talking to my fiance

11:08

today about it's kind of strange how

11:10

sometimes I have a conversation

11:12

between David Goggins and Goggins and

11:14

Goggins would tell David Goggins about

11:17

the shit he's done and David

11:19

Goggins, like, what the hell man, why are you doing that? That's

11:22

nuts. So it's, it's kind of this battle

11:24

between trying to find more

11:27

of yourself knowing that

11:29

the real you is afraid, likes

11:32

comfort, likes living in a world that

11:34

is, uh, that likes to pat

11:36

you on the back, give you the things that you

11:38

want to hear. Not the things that you have to

11:40

hear to get better. So that's

11:43

where all this kind of started from. And when

11:45

people hear this podcast, they're going to hear a lot

11:48

of things that they're going to want

11:50

to put a title on me. They're going to

11:52

definitely want to put a title on me to make themselves feel

11:54

better. I asked them during

11:56

this podcast, do not do that. Do not

11:58

look at what you're going to hear. put

12:01

a title on me because basically what you're doing is you're

12:03

giving yourself a get out of jail free card. Exactly.

12:06

That's all you're doing. That's all you're doing.

12:08

This guy was some super freak. He

12:10

found some super thing in his brain

12:12

that was locked up. He unleashed it and

12:15

became this guy. Fucking

12:17

lie. Because every day I wake up,

12:20

I dread the day. I

12:23

dread the day of what I'm going to bring

12:25

on myself to get

12:27

better. When

12:29

did Goggins, this alter ego,

12:31

appear in your life for the first time? Goggins

12:34

appeared and disappeared several times.

12:38

It appeared the first time in all 17 and

12:41

we'll get to that, but it really appeared when

12:43

I gained about 125 pounds. I

12:47

went from 175 to 300 pounds almost. Lowest

12:52

part of my life,

12:53

I was

12:54

in a fucked up relationship.

12:57

I was making no money. I was praying for cockroaches

13:00

and all this stuff was just coming on me.

13:04

I had to find something

13:07

and Goggins came out. Through

13:10

all my insecurities, all my fears, all my doubts,

13:12

all my introverted ways, I used to stutter

13:14

real bad. Everything I did, I

13:17

had to find strength in that. That's

13:20

kind of what happened. About 24 years old.

13:24

The story, if I recall correctly, is

13:26

walking in to try to become

13:29

a Navy SEAL into a recruiter's office

13:31

and basically getting laughed out of the office. It

13:34

happened about seven times. I

13:36

give people the quick version. The

13:38

quick version, I give them one episode. This

13:41

is about two weeks. In my book,

13:43

I go through it. I was sitting on the couch,

13:45

saw this show on Discovery Channel. That

13:48

started the process of, I think I

13:50

want to be a Navy SEAL. I

13:52

started calling up different recruiters walking into some.

13:55

Some guy said to me, you're fat and you're black.

13:58

He was an observant motherfucker. I'm

14:00

a black guy walking and he's very observant.

14:03

So that kind of went on for a while and

14:06

until I met one recruiter

14:08

and one recruiter

14:09

saw something in me that no one else saw and

14:12

gave me a shot and gave me a shot.

14:15

And a challenge, right? I come back, lose

14:17

the weight. Right. So basically I walked

14:19

in, I had about three months, a little

14:21

less than three months to lose 106 pounds. So

14:24

I was like, this is fucking impossible, man.

14:27

I can't do that. At that time I had no

14:29

real drive to be a Navy

14:31

SEAL, to be anything. I just knew

14:33

something had to change. That

14:35

I had to, this isn't gonna work, man. This

14:38

lifestyle that I'm living, something has to change. So

14:41

I went to work that day and I was praying for cockroaches

14:43

and lo and behold, it's a very bad

14:45

day at work. I found a whole bunch

14:47

of cockroaches, rodents. It's

14:49

a bad restaurant. And

14:51

I came home, I quit my job that day. I

14:54

was driving home, I said, I gotta fucking

14:56

do something. And I said, I'm gonna

14:58

go home and run four miles. And four miles

15:01

is only a quarter mile. And then

15:03

from there, the story

15:05

really begins from that point.

15:07

And I feel like that's such a crossroad in

15:10

everyone's life where someone tells you, you can't,

15:12

you're not good enough. Don't even try, give

15:15

up. And when you're staring that self

15:17

doubt and wanting to quit in

15:19

the face, can you at least speak to the

15:21

listeners who are feeling that right now? What would

15:23

you say to yourself at that point? Well,

15:25

I understand it. It's a miserable place.

15:28

I can, like now that I'm going there, now you

15:30

have me, I'm living on that couch

15:33

right now with that milkshake in my hand,

15:35

thinking about how the fuck am I gonna pull this off?

15:39

I feel like that moment

15:41

is relatable to everyone. And

15:43

a lot of us

15:45

have multiple moments like that

15:47

in our lives. And most of us choose the easier

15:50

route to quit.

15:51

And we'll talk a little bit

15:53

more about this.

15:55

Some of us get coaches and mentors and

15:57

trainers to kind of help us push through that.

16:00

sitting there on the couch, it's you. There's

16:03

no one, there's no seal yelling in your ear

16:05

saying, get the fuck up, we got to do this. And

16:07

the other thing, and we were talking about

16:09

this on the way over, is we're

16:12

living in this world where you don't want to

16:14

upset anybody. You don't want to tell them no, you

16:16

don't want to tell them they're not good enough. You don't want to

16:18

hurt them. And then because

16:21

they might feel bad, right? And

16:23

it's, we already have that

16:25

feeling within us. And if

16:27

you stomp that out, what is

16:29

going to drive you to get better?

16:31

Well, that's what I realized for myself

16:34

was I wanted that comfort

16:36

zone that everybody looks for that

16:38

pat on the back. They don't want to hear all the

16:40

bad shit. They want to hear everything that they're doing

16:43

right. And I realized that's what

16:45

kept me in this world. That's

16:47

what kept me in this world of not accomplishing anything.

16:51

So what I did was I

16:53

became that big, bad, nasty

16:55

motherfucker that you don't want to walk into at

16:57

nighttime. I became the

17:00

roughest critic in the world on

17:02

myself. And that's

17:04

what changed me. I literally saw

17:06

myself in the mirror. I saw the truth

17:09

versus saying, you know, my dad

17:11

did this to me from, you know, from beating me, kids

17:14

in school from calling me a nigger did this to me. My

17:16

life did this to me. My fucked up broken foundation

17:19

did this to me. I took

17:21

that and said, you know what? Some

17:23

people may help this happen, but now

17:25

I have to own this. No

17:28

one's going to come back to save me. No one's

17:30

going to come back on this fucking couch and

17:32

say, Hey, it's okay.

17:35

You're going to be okay. No, I'm not. I'm

17:37

not going to be okay. I had to realize I

17:39

had to take a stand. I had to make a real

17:41

stand. And it was painful to look

17:44

at who I like, who I was, what

17:47

the world and myself created. It

17:49

created a, a, a very

17:52

lonely, depressed, insecure man

17:55

that would do anything just to have a friend.

17:58

And I saw that as very. Pathetic

18:01

when you look at the truth, it becomes very ugly

18:03

and pathetic. So, so you

18:05

lose the weight, you show back up at

18:07

the recruiter's office, right? He's got to

18:09

be surprised on hell.

18:12

Did he even recognize you? What happened

18:14

was in the real story,

18:16

how that happens is I would

18:19

call this guy up at

18:21

almost every night, about 10 30,

18:24

11 o'clock at night and give him an update. Wow.

18:27

I said, Hey man, I've lost 25 fucking

18:29

pounds. Cause no

18:31

one knew what I was doing. I had

18:33

to, I had to have some, so I'm

18:36

really good at creating an enemy. I'm

18:38

really good at, at, at creating something

18:41

that I'm against. And I'm also

18:43

good at, if you ever tell me something

18:46

that I cannot do, I'm going

18:48

to let you know that I'm doing it somehow,

18:51

somehow you're going to fucking know one way

18:53

or another that I'm doing it. It

18:56

may not be in your face. It

18:58

may, I may make sure that I run across the dad

19:01

gone world. So then it's on the news

19:03

and you turn the news on and say, how the hell did he

19:05

do that? I want to do something that, you know, I'm

19:07

here. I'm here. So

19:10

every, every time I lose like a big, significant

19:12

amount of weight, I call that recruiter

19:15

up and say, Hey man, I'm here. I'm

19:17

here. And before I knew it, man,

19:20

this guy became almost like my best

19:22

friend at that time. Cause he started

19:24

seeing, I started actually changing his life. You

19:27

know, I started, you know, he started seeing, wow, man, like

19:30

I'm glad I took a shot on this guy. Right.

19:32

And I, and not only did I lose weight,

19:34

I had to go back and take the as-bab test to give

19:36

us like a water down SAT a

19:38

couple more times just to get in the Navy seal.

19:41

So it was a big process. So that, so that three

19:43

months was packed full of like

19:45

failures, depression, even more,

19:48

but what I found out in that whole three months,

19:50

I lived a lifetime. In that

19:52

three months, I started realizing if I can flip,

19:55

if I can flip these insecurities upside

19:58

down, if I can flip this. If

20:00

I can flip all this shit that made me this depressed

20:03

insecure guy If I can

20:05

flip it and make it work for me versus against

20:07

me. I started seeing the power the

20:11

power and failure the power

20:13

and insecurity the power and

20:15

self-doubt because I Looked

20:18

at everybody. It may not be true. That's how I looked at everybody

20:21

being way above me I thought to myself

20:23

if I can be at the lowest part in the world

20:25

in the sewer and Be

20:27

able to overcome all this shit. I

20:30

started using that as power That's really

20:32

started passing the guys from

20:35

Harvard the guys from MIT The

20:38

guys who were these great from great families

20:40

and shit. I'm like, oh my god, I'm catching

20:43

up.

20:43

I'm catching up I had nothing so

20:45

I started flipping it and using this power and

20:48

I feel like We've definitely interviewed a

20:50

lot of successful people and almost

20:52

all of them have this chip on their shoulder That

20:55

they develop from that bully in school

20:57

that one moment that one criticism

20:59

that says you can't Here you are

21:02

doing all of this just to sign up for then

21:04

hell week, right? All right Which is one

21:06

of the most difficult weeks on the planet to begin

21:08

with right and you had to go through all of this And

21:12

obviously whenever you're training there

21:14

are good days and bad days, right? Hey,

21:17

Johnny and I were laughing about this obviously half

21:19

marathon nowhere near ultra marathon, but you're

21:22

tracking right? You're looking at your time. You're looking at your

21:24

splits. You're trying to do better and some days you just

21:26

don't have it Right and I feel

21:28

like in those moments where you

21:31

don't have it, you know, you don't have

21:33

it How do you flip that

21:35

switch to get that extra ounce of energy? Because

21:38

once I know that pilot light is lit and

21:40

that water is boiling Well, then you feel

21:42

like you can take on everything right? But a lot

21:44

of us are feeling our pilot light flicker and

21:47

that self-doubt creep back in even though

21:49

we're challenging ourselves Well, there's something

21:51

I invented a long time ago and

21:54

When you have nothing to draw from

21:56

I was able to find

21:58

strength in every molecule of this earth.

22:01

I'm able to be in a room with nothing, with no motivation,

22:04

no inspiration, nothing and find it. So what

22:07

I did in those situations was I invented this thing

22:09

called taking souls. When

22:11

everybody's all fucked up, and you're exhausted,

22:14

and you're weak, and you're tired, and you're looking around,

22:16

and everybody looks as bad as you

22:18

or even worse. I'm like,

22:21

you know what, I want to now make

22:23

a statement. It's the perfect

22:26

time to make a statement, to make a statement

22:28

to let you know where your life

22:30

ends and mine begin. And so

22:34

the statement there is I must have every bit

22:36

of strength from their looks on their faces

22:39

and how they feel and how I'm going

22:41

to now from my

22:44

childhood where I came from, how's

22:46

the bottom of the barrel. I'm now amongst

22:48

all these uncommon people. I'm now going to

22:50

now make you feel like you're common.

22:54

So I use their their

22:57

sadness, their weakness, their parts

23:00

of their life for God, this sucks. I'm like all poopy

23:02

pants and messed up. I use that

23:04

for my strength. And I have

23:06

this moment of like, let's

23:09

say we're in the sand running

23:11

or whatever, I will do a surge.

23:13

I will do something when everybody's like, how the fuck is

23:16

he doing this? And

23:18

from that, that look on their face,

23:20

that feeling of God, man, this guy must be something

23:23

special. It then surges me further

23:26

and further and faster and harder for

23:28

a long time. So it's

23:31

energies everywhere. But the thing is, it's

23:33

so loud that that

23:36

that voice in your head of pain and suffering

23:38

and discomfort and I don't want to do this is

23:40

so loud that you're unable to really

23:42

calm it down. It's okay, there's

23:44

something here.

23:46

It's a patient calm that you have to

23:48

bring yourself to say, I know I have something here.

23:51

But that voice is so powerful that it's once you just

23:54

to leave. Right. We're done. We're

23:56

done. It spashes you out

23:58

and you want to go for

23:59

the same. Let's take a second. Hang

24:01

on before we spaz to fuck out. Hang

24:04

on and in that moment You

24:06

can think clearly and find that

24:08

strength out there for you, you know, it's

24:11

when you

24:12

When you look at the history of the world and you see

24:14

a lot of hardship But a lot of human

24:17

beings had been put in and

24:19

a lot of times against their will say

24:21

the cool Ugg or a prison camp

24:24

or something like this and you hear The

24:26

stories of things that they had to do

24:28

in the middle of winter It's it's 20 below

24:31

and they're out building something and they barely have

24:33

any clothes and they have holes in their

24:35

shoes and you think to yourself How

24:38

are they even surviving in those situations?

24:41

And I think it's the old adage if

24:43

there is a why you will figure out how

24:45

and

24:50

It's these times that we see what the

24:52

human spirit is actually made of but

24:54

when you're able to flip that around and Use

24:57

something like that to build you

25:00

up rather than Somebody

25:02

putting you into something like that to break you down.

25:05

I mean it's how powerful

25:07

is is that right? And I don't think

25:09

anyone gets to truly Experience

25:12

those limits unless well,

25:15

it's certainly in today's day unless you're putting

25:17

yourself in it to get stronger, right?

25:20

Well, I know one thing and this is a true statement that

25:22

I've said several times

25:24

a lot of us Don't know

25:27

of a whole nother world that exists.

25:29

It's on the other side of suffering

25:32

once you

25:34

Break these barriers that you

25:36

have made for yourself Like

25:38

the mind is the most powerful thing in the world in

25:40

the world It is so amazing that

25:43

I used to be a 300 pound guy and

25:45

I thought that was it Could barely

25:47

read do anything and now That

25:50

what was inside that person

25:52

was this guy that's in front of you today

25:54

That's how scary the mind is and

25:57

that's how I started realizing through this journey is

25:59

that that once I got a taste

26:02

of, wow, man, I haven't even cracked.

26:05

I haven't even begun to crack what the

26:07

mind is capable of. And I

26:09

started realizing this on the other end of suffering,

26:13

that's the real growth of life. Because

26:15

you realize how the mind processes

26:18

shit. And I talk about another thing called

26:20

theory and practice. A lot of people are theorists.

26:22

They, these smart guys that

26:25

read these fucking books and shit, man, and they sit

26:27

down, they tell you what the mind is supposed to do. And

26:30

a lot of us listen to that shit. It becomes like,

26:33

this is it, man. This

26:35

old man who has been

26:37

studying the mind forever, this

26:39

is the cap that we have.

26:42

By being a practitioner, I went

26:44

out and realized

26:46

a lot of these guys are so wrong, man. The

26:49

mind has capabilities that are so unknown.

26:51

I found that through suffering. And

26:53

there's a whole other world on the other end of that. Right

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like there's the physical governor that

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your body kicks in and says I can't do this And

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then there's the mental governor right and

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a lot of us allow

30:30

the mental governor to kick in right

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are earlier than necessary right

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and I've always found

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that at the moment that that kicks

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in and you push the other side of it You

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actually get this surge of physical energy.

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That's right of feeling that capable

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of anything that's superhuman power But

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most of us try to avoid even getting close to

30:52

the governor right I call that my 40% rule Where

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like a car has a governor on it

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it can go 130 You

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know the governor's on a global 91 right and

31:02

the whole thing about that. It's a true statement We you know

31:04

like like what you said our mind

31:07

Wants to protect us

31:09

the mind is like honestly it

31:11

has a tactical advantage over us It

31:14

knows our deepest darkest fears

31:16

or insecurities it knows where we

31:18

start to feel We start

31:21

getting that doubt creeping

31:22

it says hey, man, you know what man, maybe this isn't good Let's

31:24

go back home

31:24

to the wife. Let's go back home to the kids.

31:27

This is not comfortable So in that moment

31:29

the mind directs us. It's a protective

31:32

mechanism. It saves us for doing

31:34

bodily harm or Or

31:37

it really saves us from discovering

31:40

That demise like I want to be in charge

31:42

of you. I don't want you to be in charge

31:44

of me So it tells you let's just stop

31:47

right here But once you start breaking

31:49

through that barrier

31:50

It's our breaking down that governor the

31:53

governor that you've put in your mind because

31:55

we forget we are in

31:57

control of

31:58

our mind We believe

32:01

it's the other way around. No,

32:03

we put

32:04

in our minds what we should do,

32:07

but we believe our mind is telling us, it's

32:09

giving us all this feedback. We have

32:11

to reprogram it and tell us, no,

32:13

no, no, we're good.

32:15

We're good. We got this sucks, but

32:17

it's okay.

32:19

And I think one of the remarkable things

32:21

about the transformation in the beginning was, you

32:23

know, here after completing over 60 ultra

32:26

marathons, it seems like you're

32:28

genetically gifted miles are no problem, but

32:30

at the start getting just over a mile

32:32

was a struggle and quit was

32:35

at the forefront of your mind the entire time.

32:38

So for our listeners who are

32:40

like, man, I can't run that. I can't do this physical

32:42

stuff. Like that's great mental toughness, but

32:45

I'm not even meant for the physical side of

32:47

things. Talk a little bit to

32:49

us about that mile

32:51

marker one, mile marker two to now

32:53

looking for unlimited miles.

32:56

The first big thing is once again, it

32:58

goes back to open mindedness.

33:01

If you walk into any kind

33:04

of

33:05

event, whether it be physical

33:07

or mental, if you walk in with already

33:10

putting that block on your mind, if man, this

33:13

ain't going to happen, people go, how did you want to

33:15

hurt 35 miles to death, badness? How

33:17

did you run a hundred miles with no training? Because

33:21

I went into it not thinking I can't do this,

33:23

man. I went into it with

33:25

a strategy. I had an open mindedness.

33:28

So until your mind is open to the possibilities

33:31

that I can do this, you would never

33:34

be able to do it. Once the

33:36

mind starts to believe it can be achieved,

33:39

it then only then does

33:41

it start to break down tactically how

33:44

we can do this.

33:46

Until then, you're going to always lose. One

33:49

of the things that

33:50

we keep hearing recurring

33:53

and something that we've practiced

33:55

and we've talked about in our classrooms

33:58

and on the show a lot. lot is

34:01

the most successful people are

34:04

have a very good relationship with the

34:06

worst parts of themselves where they can have

34:08

that conversation. And they're not

34:11

hiding from that person, they're going to work with that

34:13

person or to get around that person to get that

34:15

person out of the way, rather than pretending

34:17

that it doesn't exist. And

34:20

something else to this is, I

34:23

would think at least I, from

34:25

my own experience, there's always

34:27

these rationalizations to get you to quit,

34:29

right? So we have first, you're

34:32

going out there, it's the quarter mile, that's

34:34

failure, then we're getting to a mile, then we're getting

34:36

that there's got to be another conversation

34:39

with that. The other side

34:41

of you that says, listen, you

34:43

went from a 300 pound guy to doing

34:46

this, we're good, we showed a lot

34:48

of people. And what's this another

34:50

conversation of we even begun

34:52

to finish up what we're doing

34:54

here. Right. And

34:57

how many of those conversations it's like on a daily

34:59

basis, you have to cast that

35:01

person aside, let's look out, you're done

35:04

here, you've done enough damage. It's my turn.

35:07

Well, it's funny how

35:09

you say that, because it is a true thing. I have

35:11

so many conversations in my mind, because so many times

35:13

I want to quit. But

35:15

this is what it is. This is what I figured out.

35:18

I was so afraid of myself,

35:21

that I had to figure out I became a master

35:24

of my mind.

35:25

People, when you're afraid of something, you

35:27

have to master it. That's how

35:30

you start to overcome it. So what I

35:32

realized when I get to that point, where I want

35:34

to quit everybody, they get to the point where they want to quit,

35:36

this is what happens. The mind tells

35:38

you, let's go home. Let's

35:41

take a warm shower. Let's get some food.

35:43

This is not right. This is that if

35:46

you cannot answer the questions

35:48

at that moment, because your mind is gonna start giving

35:51

you all these questions, all these

35:53

questions. And if you can't answer

35:55

them,

35:56

you're going to quit.

35:58

What I realized when I was going through

36:00

Buds, Ranger School, all this other 100 mile

36:02

race, 200 mile race, pull up records. My

36:05

mind would come creeping in. Like when I was doing 4030

36:07

pull ups at 2000 pull ups and

36:10

my hands were ripped open. My mind said,

36:12

look brother,

36:13

we've done all these other things. You've

36:16

proven yourself, you're good. If

36:18

I didn't have the answer to respond

36:21

to my mind and say why I'm here, why

36:24

I'm doing this,

36:26

you will always lose that fight. You have

36:28

to have the response to what your

36:30

mind is gonna tell you. And another thing about

36:32

that is self talk. A

36:35

lot of people have like these big four on

36:37

mental toughness. All that shit is crap about

36:40

self talk

36:42

visualization. It's true, but

36:44

the thing about self talk and all these things,

36:46

they asked me, what do you think about when you're on

36:48

mile 100 of a 205 mile run? What

36:51

are you thinking about when you realize

36:54

you've run for 24 hours and

36:56

you have 24 more hours to run and

36:58

you have another 105 miles, what goes to your mind? What

37:01

do you say to yourself? I wanna know.

37:04

A lot of people think self talk works. It

37:06

does, but it doesn't work without

37:09

the suffering

37:11

before your mind starts saying we

37:13

need self talk. So what I tell myself

37:16

is I go back to

37:18

the months and years of preparation

37:20

to get to that day. And I'm

37:22

telling myself,

37:24

the 330 in the morning,

37:26

I'm looking at my shoes and I wanna go out there

37:28

and run 30 miles. I

37:30

have to in that second, in that moment

37:32

of this self talk of my mind saying, you gotta find more,

37:34

you gotta find more. I once again, calm

37:37

down, go back into my mind

37:40

in my cookie jar, I call it. And I had to

37:42

reflect back on the shit

37:44

I did to get here. And that

37:46

becomes my self talk. Self talk does not

37:48

work unless it is real. Most

37:51

of us lie to ourselves in this

37:53

self talk. It doesn't work. It has to be

37:55

real. It has to be something that you've done to make

37:57

it really work. Now obviously gaining.

38:00

that much weight doesn't happen overnight. Right.

38:02

Bad habits had to form around eating

38:05

your interactions with food, obviously your

38:07

lack of exercise. Right. How

38:09

did you start to break those old habits

38:12

so that you didn't revert back to yourself

38:14

on the couch? Right? It's easy to set a challenge.

38:16

I want to reach this goal. I want to get through hell week.

38:20

Most of us even with diet and exercise

38:22

can start get to a point and then

38:24

we tend to revert back to those old habits.

38:26

Right. The reason why we go back to old

38:28

habits is because our goals are too lofty.

38:31

We're not achieving our goals fast enough.

38:34

So what happens is, you know what, man, we're

38:36

very impatient nowadays for

38:39

me. It

38:41

was good. I have a phone. I was,

38:44

I was, I was out of this world

38:46

by myself. It was a race

38:48

against David Goggins. It wasn't a race against

38:51

God, I don't look good for this person or that person.

38:53

It was me. I got to change myself.

38:56

So for me, if I lost five pounds in a

38:58

week,

38:59

I've got a feeling I allowed myself to

39:02

feel proud

39:03

of that. I

39:04

didn't look at, I got to lose 106 pounds. I'm like, man, I

39:08

went from 297 now

39:11

I'm 292 in one week, man, I'm,

39:14

I'm killing it. We don't,

39:16

we're not proud of ourselves for the small

39:19

accomplishments. What we

39:21

need is we need this monstrosity

39:23

of this thing to happen and say,

39:25

ah, I did it. No, there's

39:27

a process that you have to go through

39:29

and patience is the process.

39:32

And if you don't have patience after a week,

39:35

I haven't lost 30 pounds and I'm done. I'm

39:37

over it.

39:38

So that's why I found out with people, man. They're not patient

39:40

enough to realize and to enjoy the moment,

39:42

not live in it,

39:43

just enjoy it. There's

39:45

no finish line in life, but

39:47

enjoy that moment. Roger that man. I lost

39:49

five. Let me go 10 next week.

39:51

So that's the whole thing about it. That's how people lose

39:54

it. You know, something you said there where

39:58

you said that you were in this race with. yourself

40:00

and that you didn't have a phone, you weren't connected to

40:02

anything else, and you didn't have anything to deal with

40:05

except that other person staring

40:07

back at you and talking shit and it was that

40:10

you went to war against that person. Right. And

40:12

I was, we were just talking about this and about

40:15

how important it is in order for you

40:17

to find yourself. We've

40:20

absolutely, there's certainly about suffering

40:22

or pushing limits as one

40:25

aspect of it, but also a detachment

40:27

from all these other influences that

40:29

are not, that keep you from

40:32

dealing with yourself. And obviously

40:34

we're living in this world today with

40:37

all this technology that supposedly keeps us

40:39

connected, but also sort of

40:41

keeps us separated as well. It's

40:44

a crazy place. And how

40:47

are you going to build a relationship with yourself if

40:49

you're completely distracted all the time? You

40:51

know what?

40:52

Being accepted is one thing that killed me

40:55

and

40:56

you have to learn

40:58

what do you want in your

41:00

life? We have so much influence

41:03

coming at us that we are so lost. We

41:06

don't know what we want to do because we don't spend enough

41:08

time with ourselves. You

41:10

have to learn to shut off

41:12

a phone,

41:13

shut off a computer, shut off a TV. And

41:16

it's okay to sit in a room by yourself

41:19

in a chair and just think

41:21

about you, where I want to be. Where

41:24

do I see myself tomorrow, the next

41:26

year, the next year from that? And

41:28

it takes a lot of self-discipline

41:30

to be able to do that nowadays because you want to be

41:32

so attached to everything. You

41:34

want to be so caught up with the world. The

41:37

world's moving too fast.

41:38

The world's moving so fast that you're trying

41:40

to keep up to the point where you lose yourself

41:43

in the world.

41:44

So you have to take that time to go to that dark

41:46

place in your mind and discover who you are. Was

41:49

there a time in your

41:52

past where you realized that

41:54

you've overcome your old self and really

41:56

truly felt transformed? Or do you feel

41:59

like it's an endless this process that you're still

42:01

building towards. It's an endless process. It

42:04

is processed.

42:06

All that shit that I went through in my life to get here

42:08

today, it is tattooed.

42:11

It is tattooed in my brain. Every

42:13

day I wake up, I am constantly

42:16

battling that person that

42:19

is like,

42:20

man, you know,

42:21

back in the day, this happened to you, man.

42:24

You know, like you got called nigger

42:26

so many times and your dad

42:28

beat the shit out of you, man, and you know,

42:30

you couldn't read and dad

42:32

going junior year, all these things start

42:34

to creep up even now where you're at today,

42:38

every day you're having to constantly battle.

42:40

It's not as bad as it used to be by any means,

42:43

but that person is still there. It,

42:46

that person always lives. And that's the, that's

42:48

the point about you have to continue to always challenge

42:51

yourself every day.

42:52

And

42:53

celebrating those small wins along the

42:55

way, right? Those small incremental steps

42:58

also are that fuel. So you

43:00

have the suffering, you have the past

43:03

that you're running from, and you have

43:06

these small moments where, Hey, I went 1.3

43:08

miles today. Right. Two

43:11

days ago, I was sitting on the couch and not

43:13

even putting on shoes to go out. Right.

43:15

What are those small victories for you today,

43:18

sitting the other side here, right? Because

43:21

now the feats of strength

43:23

and physical are

43:26

just incredible. They're literally, the listeners are going

43:28

to be going on YouTube, watching this to

43:30

see it for themselves. Well, now

43:32

there are really no small victories

43:34

now for me, because what happens

43:37

is once you transform

43:39

yourself.

43:40

And even though I'm still, I'm not running from

43:42

myself. I'm constantly facing myself.

43:45

I'm constantly battling myself. I'm not

43:47

running from them anymore. I used to. But

43:50

now I'm constantly battling them. So now what happens

43:52

is once you get to port in your life, where you're able

43:54

to be on a podcast or be on a TV show and tell

43:56

everybody how fucked up you are.

43:58

I will answer any question. you want about me.

44:01

Anything I did, anything

44:02

bad, good, ugly, I will tell you. When

44:05

you get to that point in your life,

44:07

that's where your real journey begins. And

44:09

you no longer have to have a small

44:12

victory to keep you going. You now realize

44:14

what your purpose in life is. And

44:17

you realize, oh, this shit's just part

44:19

of it.

44:19

But at first, you need all these different

44:22

tactics to keep you going because you

44:24

haven't figured it out yet.

44:25

Once you figure out that you're in a race

44:28

amongst billions of people that

44:30

live in this world, you're in a race by yourself.

44:33

You have a purpose, and it's your purpose.

44:35

Now there are bells of purpose. It is your

44:37

purpose and only your purpose, and it's your

44:39

race. So then you're like, hey, man,

44:42

I'm doing my thing. I'm doing the best of my ability.

44:45

What's next? There's no longer these small

44:47

increments to get through life. Because

44:50

once you figure out why you're here, it

44:53

just becomes a process. It

44:55

goes with something that, AJ and

44:57

I were talking about this earlier, and it

44:59

was someone,

45:00

there was a video of you getting

45:03

the award from the VFW, which was

45:05

it. And obviously it choked me

45:07

up. I'm sure it choked AJ. And there was

45:10

something that you said in there that I

45:14

just loved. And I just don't,

45:16

obviously, we don't see enough of it anymore. And

45:18

what it was, was that there's

45:20

a, to paraphrase it,

45:23

a lot of people who live in this world who don't

45:25

know what they're doing

45:27

in life, what's going on, their abs, their elbow,

45:30

and they got nothing and they're confused.

45:34

And they don't know what it's about.

45:36

But it's about

45:39

doing it for the guy next to them. And

45:44

with so much of all

45:47

this other influence, it

45:49

just seems that people are, their

45:51

values aren't being held up to

45:54

any sort of standards. And so now they're become

45:58

wishy washy on, on even. even

46:00

what they stand for as people. Well,

46:02

of course we have anxiety

46:05

going through the roof and suicides going through

46:07

the roof because if you don't have

46:09

any sort of foundation to stand on, then

46:14

of course you're gonna be sitting through

46:16

anxiety and something as simple

46:18

as do it for the man next to you, do

46:20

it for mankind, do it for humankind.

46:23

Right. It's fantastic.

46:26

I mean, would you be able to speak a bit about

46:28

that? Yeah, that was a moment for me, the DFW,

46:30

where I got the Americanism Award. And

46:32

what you saw there for me, it shocked me

46:35

also. I got choked up,

46:37

teared up. I was trying to thank my mom.

46:40

And what happened was all this stuff that you

46:43

all have heard about my life growing up,

46:46

it's at the surface. That's just

46:49

real. You know, and at

46:51

that moment, it flashed through my head

46:54

about the journey I

46:56

had to go through to get to that point

46:59

to do that. And along that

47:01

journey, I figured

47:03

out myself.

47:04

And the biggest trophy I'll ever get

47:07

in my entire life, like I turned

47:09

on a book deal, which we'll talk about soon, the

47:11

biggest trophy that I ever got in my entire life

47:13

was me. Was really

47:15

figuring out me.

47:17

And when I was up on that stage, I

47:19

realized that. I realized it's not about

47:22

money. It's not about fame. It's not about being

47:24

accepted by your peers and everybody

47:27

else. It's about figuring out

47:29

who I am and being happy with

47:31

who the fuck I am. Even

47:33

though I'm gonna be judged for all these things,

47:35

being able to put a middle finger up to everybody

47:38

and say, this is David Goggins.

47:40

And to get to that point, it felt great.

47:42

And that was all about, honestly,

47:45

we have to give back.

47:47

We have to be able to go through our journeys in life,

47:50

figure out who we are and help the person

47:52

beside you. Figure that

47:54

shit out. Figure out how they can

47:56

do that themselves. Well, let's go

47:58

get into that.

47:59

a bit. So I believe

48:03

you're my age, 43. All the records, everything that

48:05

you've been through, all

48:14

the physical feats,

48:17

and now we're on a new chapter of

48:19

the book. Of course, you're now, you

48:23

can probably say that you're the new it guy

48:25

on the internet. Everyone wants that. We

48:29

were thrilled when you wanted to come on the show, and everyone

48:31

wants some of your time, and everyone

48:34

wants to get something from you. Perhaps a little bit

48:36

of you can rub off on us, that

48:38

sort of thing, and

48:41

with good reason. And so

48:45

we're in this new world and these new feet

48:49

for yourself. So if you'd like to

48:51

talk about what brought you to write the book

48:53

and to go in this direction now

48:55

at this time.

48:57

Well,

48:58

as you know, I'm a serious introvert, and

49:02

very afraid of people.

49:05

I got judged so much growing

49:08

up that this is

49:10

uncomfortable for me. All these podcasts,

49:12

that's why I post once a week.

49:16

People are ugly, people are nasty, they make me want

49:18

to choke the shit out of them, and they're

49:20

just nasty people. So I stay away

49:22

from them. But the one thing I realized,

49:25

why I wrote the book, is honestly,

49:28

I have a story to tell, as

49:30

we all have a story to tell. And

49:34

what I realized on my journey was a lot of us don't

49:37

believe that we can achieve

49:39

the impossible. And

49:41

along my journey, I started realizing, man,

49:44

I gotta fucking tell some people about this shit,

49:46

man. Like, I discovered

49:48

something that some people have, but

49:51

they don't even fucking know all of us have it. But

49:54

along this way, I wasn't like I said, I wasn't a theorist,

49:56

I became a practitioner. And I was like, my God,

49:59

I'm busting down. So many barriers

50:01

of like I've learned disability

50:03

Okay, but I'm catching up with

50:05

everybody. I figured that out I

50:08

figured out all these negative things in my life

50:10

that were keeping me in this hole I'm

50:12

like, I gotta tell people man that hang

50:15

on a second man

50:16

You can fucking achieve the absolute

50:18

impossible. You don't need great parents. You don't need

50:21

like a private school You

50:23

don't need to have this humongous GPA

50:25

and all this other shit What you need

50:28

is the one thing I talked about my book was

50:30

a straight-up Brutal work

50:32

ethic you have to be willing to

50:35

outwork Everybody in

50:37

the world and that that's

50:40

the hard part That's the hard

50:42

part. This isn't like some five-step

50:44

process where you can do these five fucking steps

50:47

You're gonna end up with this magical world

50:50

No,

50:50

I'm basically teaching you how to

50:53

callus over your victims

50:55

mentality I'm teaching

50:58

you how to like I

51:00

did 67,000 pull-ups and training for the pull-up record. I Was

51:04

seriously callus in my hands to protect them

51:07

What I'm trying to do with people is teach them how

51:09

to find more themselves to

51:11

where they empower themselves I'm all about the underdog.

51:14

So that's all that so that's what the books all about man It's all

51:16

about having that step process and I

51:18

had to share this with people Well, I also

51:20

feel and personally struggling with social

51:22

anxiety and introversion myself The

51:25

hardest part of all of it is being vulnerable

51:27

enough to admit the abuse submit the past Most

51:30

of us don't want other people to know that

51:32

and that's right hardest part to open up and be that

51:34

vulnerable, right? When did that

51:37

start to bubble to the surface for you and you

51:39

start to see vulnerability as a strength?

51:42

Well,

51:42

we're starting to make me I had to stop giving

51:45

a fuck about people That was

51:47

the biggest thing. I had to stop caring what people

51:49

thought about me. I realized that everybody's fucked

51:51

up That's the one thing I realized

51:54

I walked around I put these people on a fucking

51:57

pedestal everybody was better than

51:59

me

51:59

So I can't tell you anything about me because

52:02

you're gonna judge me and I'm gonna feel even worse than what I am. What

52:04

I realized, once I calm my

52:07

mind down and I sat back and looked at how

52:09

jacked up this world is, once

52:11

you realize that you are not alone, everybody

52:14

that's talking to you about how jacked

52:16

up you are, only thing they've done

52:18

better than you is they've hidden

52:21

their fucked up world better than you have.

52:24

That's all they've done. So once

52:27

I realized that,

52:28

if you wanna sit back, like for instance, there's all

52:30

these things that are on TV and we

52:32

have all these news people judging people

52:35

who fuck up in life.

52:36

Yeah, they made big mistakes.

52:38

But that person who is judging you on TV,

52:40

I guarantee you that news person,

52:43

they say, I'm glad that my shit didn't come

52:45

out. But I'm gonna judge the hell out of you.

52:48

I know that about people. So if you

52:50

wanna sit back and judge how jacked up I was

52:52

and how messed up my life was, Merry Christmas, go for

52:54

it. Have a good time. But I'm smiling

52:56

at you right now, knowing

52:58

you have a secret that you're not willing to share.

53:01

It gives you a lot of power when you're able to go on

53:04

a podcast this big and say, hey,

53:06

tell me, I'll tell you anything you wanna know.

53:09

I no longer care. And

53:11

that

53:12

is a lot of power in that

53:14

to be able to put your life on a billboard for the whole

53:16

world to see and say, judge it, man.

53:19

Judge it. Like just me talking about

53:21

it makes me feel good. And that's another

53:23

thing about it. When you are willing to talk about

53:26

how jacked up you are,

53:28

the strength, that big rock

53:30

that you carry, it just starts to

53:32

come off you.

53:33

It just starts to come off. That's what I do so often.

53:35

I'm like, hey, man, I'll tell you anything you wanna know. I'm tired

53:38

of being afraid.

53:40

I'm tired of not telling you shit. I'm tired of lying

53:42

about how good I'm not.

53:44

And in

53:46

prepping for this interview, I was hanging

53:48

out with my girlfriend, Amy, listening

53:50

to part of the Joe Rogan episode. And

53:53

what was so remarkable to both of us is

53:56

most people who get into the motivational coaching

53:58

space, they just wanna... Celebrate their

54:00

victories and show how awesome and amazing right

54:03

and paint themselves as the best right and

54:06

you unabashedly Admit that you're not

54:08

the best long-distance runner I'm not the best

54:10

guy at pull-ups, but I'm gonna push myself

54:13

beyond what I deem is the

54:15

best right and through that process Come

54:17

out the other side and earn everyone's respect

54:21

The motivation where people are losing

54:23

all these people who come out here and talk about how great they

54:25

are And I see it all time makes me sick man get

54:28

real with yourself People cannot

54:30

relate to you man. You are Unfucking

54:33

relatable when you come out here and say

54:35

hey man. I'm the baddest motherfucker

54:37

to ever live

54:39

Okay, great. Well, I

54:41

What am I gonna learn from you? You

54:43

learn from people who are

54:45

willing to tell you this is where I started

54:48

from This is how much I fell

54:50

on my fucking ass. This is how bad I used

54:52

to really be I still have those moments

54:54

cuz why you're human

54:57

We're all jacked up man.

54:59

We're all jacked up and that's what makes

55:01

my story relatable I'm willing to let

55:03

you in to see I'm decently

55:05

successful now, but I didn't

55:07

come out like this man I

55:09

didn't come out That's the

55:11

story is you have to give people

55:13

just a little bit of hope

55:16

There's no hope

55:17

when they see greatness in you everywhere You

55:20

have to be able to get yourself

55:22

down to a level of check it out, man There's

55:25

hope for you.

55:26

That's all I'm trying to give you just a

55:29

little bit and

55:30

obviously the the pain

55:32

you went through the suffering and these

55:35

feats of physical strength This

55:38

idea that the body can always heal

55:40

and the mind can always heal these

55:42

calluses can be built So whether

55:45

it's 200 plus miles whether

55:47

it's your hands or dog meat from

55:49

doing the pull-ups your hands are

55:51

healed That's right. Your mind is healed.

55:53

That's right

55:54

And

55:55

we have this ability inside of us most

55:58

of us go through life never even and scratching

56:00

the surface of it. What

56:03

was the physical healing process

56:06

like after that first real

56:08

physical bout for you, where you went through

56:11

whether it was hell week, I don't know what on the

56:13

scale of what you've done to this point, going through

56:15

the list. Well, I thought it was my third

56:17

hell week that I went through. When

56:21

I got through with that first 100 mile race that

56:23

I did around that one mile track that I didn't prepare

56:26

for it, I was considerably, it

56:30

was horrible. And I'll never forget,

56:33

I found

56:35

such peace and beauty.

56:37

I was in the worst pain in my fucking

56:40

life. And I got done and

56:42

my wife pulled the car up on the, my ex-wife

56:45

pulled the car up on this

56:46

little lawn and I got in the back of it and

56:49

I got up the stairs. I'm not gonna go through the whole story,

56:51

but I remember laying in the tub and

56:54

she put the shower on me and

56:56

I ran 101 miles in like 19 hours and

56:59

I was like peeing dirt out of me. And

57:02

I'm sitting there and I'm jackhammering

57:05

and my body is just the most broken it's ever

57:07

been, even to this day. And

57:10

this feeling came over me.

57:12

Call it crazy if you want, but very few

57:14

people, I guarantee you've ever felt this before, to

57:16

push themselves so far outside of

57:18

what they thought was even possible, even for me. I

57:21

laid in that tub

57:22

and I didn't want it to go away. I

57:26

had drained myself of

57:28

every bit of strength, energy I had.

57:30

And

57:35

it was the best feeling I had in my life, all that pain.

57:37

It

57:38

was confirmation.

57:41

It was confirmation that I

57:43

had gone through a crucible

57:45

and I had figured out another level

57:48

of David Goggins, a level that I

57:50

thought was humanly impossible for anybody

57:52

to do. When I was at mile 70 and

57:54

shit and pissed all over myself, I

57:56

had 30 more miles to go and I was damn

57:59

near dead. And I was able

58:01

to go 31 more miles in

58:03

that process of the next 31 more miles

58:06

I found out more about myself in

58:08

that 31 miles than ever having my entire

58:11

life the conversations

58:14

the mental blocks the road blocks the Everything

58:18

horrible. It was a feeding at

58:20

me like night speed get the fuck

58:22

out of here, man Like I was able to

58:24

figure out different tactics

58:27

And I finally got done with that and late in that tub

58:29

and it was over

58:31

The feeling of my god, man, you just really

58:34

Discovered a whole new world

58:36

a whole new part of the brain that

58:39

guaranteed very few people have so

58:42

it's a it's a feeling I can't even describe

58:44

and With

58:47

the success of Jesse's book living with the seal.

58:49

Obviously fame came knocking at your

58:52

door. Everyone wanted your story Publishers

58:54

came to you. Okay, when can we write your book? You

58:57

chose a different path to self-publish Well

59:00

on that I'm not thing like there was it

59:02

didn't do much for me

59:04

So the book living with the seal my

59:06

name wasn't in it

59:07

and I didn't even know really I knew

59:10

was being written But I had nothing to do with the book, right? So

59:13

all that came to me much later But yeah,

59:16

but yeah, that's how you appeared on

59:18

the map once I figured out that you were the seal

59:20

and People wanted to hear your story

59:23

obviously Everything you do is

59:25

well thought out right? There's a plan in place.

59:27

There's a strategy behind it You've now chose

59:30

the path to self-publish this book We

59:33

got a copy of the manuscript We've been digging in

59:35

enjoying the backstory that we haven't heard

59:38

on some of these other shows because everyone wants to talk

59:40

about the physical Side of things right? What

59:43

made you decide to go that route and sharing your story?

59:45

Well, I sat back and I had the top five

59:48

people come at me top five publishing houses it

59:50

was down to the last two and

59:53

They're offering three hundred thousand dollars. I'm

59:55

a first time, you know

59:57

first time author and I

59:59

decided to go with one of them and $300,000 for a

1:00:01

guy at Man of Sin, you know, that's pretty good

1:00:04

money. So a

1:00:06

few days before I was going to sign the contract,

1:00:09

I sat back, talked to my fiance, my family,

1:00:11

and everybody's like, you know, hey, you

1:00:14

know, this is good. This is great. Whatever.

1:00:16

Um,

1:00:18

but I

1:00:20

started thinking about my life. I

1:00:23

started thinking about everything that I've gone through my

1:00:25

life,

1:00:25

everything I had gone through and had a

1:00:28

chance to reflect. And that's one thing I

1:00:30

never did in my life long enough is

1:00:32

have time to reflect. I was always what's

1:00:35

next, what's next, what's next, what's next, what's

1:00:37

next. Now that I'm retired and

1:00:40

you have a lot of time to look back on what

1:00:42

you've done, where you started, where

1:00:44

you're at now. And I said, you know

1:00:47

what? It's just not for sale. $300,000 isn't

1:00:51

even a fraction of enough money to

1:00:54

sell this. So I decided not to sign it. And

1:00:57

I saw a publish. It's a lot of people off. And

1:01:00

I said, I'm not signing this. I'm going to self publish.

1:01:02

And that's kind of how it came to be. I took

1:01:05

that time to reflect and I'd rather not make a fucking

1:01:07

dime. I wrote this book and that's

1:01:09

honest to God's truth.

1:01:12

I am fine with the trophy

1:01:14

I have in my mind.

1:01:15

And who is this book for? Who listening

1:01:18

is going to be the most impacted by this book? I'm

1:01:20

all about, it's not about

1:01:22

the underdog so much.

1:01:24

I think we're all an underdog. I

1:01:27

think the top CEO on the planet earth

1:01:29

still has that doubt. I

1:01:31

don't give a fuck where you're from. Kobe Bryant,

1:01:34

Michael Jordan, the best on the planet.

1:01:37

We're all underdogs. Whether

1:01:39

you're underdog because you put yourself there to be hungry

1:01:41

or you're just a real life underdog. We're

1:01:44

all an underdog. And

1:01:46

so this is about

1:01:48

the mind and people

1:01:50

discovering the mind, their own mind.

1:01:53

And one thing I know is we all have an equation.

1:01:56

We all have an equation. Like, you know, I talk

1:01:58

about three point, you know, three. 3.14 is

1:02:01

pi. There's different equations

1:02:03

to figure out different kind of, you know, mathematical

1:02:05

problems. We as human beings are mathematical

1:02:08

problems. I cannot

1:02:10

give you a book

1:02:12

for every fucking body in this world. That's

1:02:14

what my book, even though it's one book, is

1:02:17

tailored to

1:02:18

the individual.

1:02:20

It's not like you do these five steps, you're

1:02:22

good. No, I'm

1:02:24

helping you figure out your fucking equation.

1:02:28

Because it's different. My equation is different from your

1:02:30

equation. What's going to make you tick? What's going

1:02:32

to make you go the distance? What's going to make you go to that

1:02:34

spot in hell and say, I love this

1:02:36

spot? It's okay.

1:02:40

That's what this book does. It helps you figure out your 3.14. It helps

1:02:42

you figure out your fucking

1:02:45

mathematical equation and say, oh, because

1:02:47

once you figure out the equation in any math problem,

1:02:51

you no longer fail, man. You got it figured out.

1:02:53

So

1:02:56

in coming out here, which you have a big publicity

1:02:58

run, the book's coming out, you

1:03:00

got a bunch of podcasts to go

1:03:03

on. Thank you for coming on ours. With

1:03:06

that comes a lot of new

1:03:08

things. It's for such

1:03:10

a no nonsense guy to have

1:03:12

to deal with social media now. And

1:03:16

I have a vision of you

1:03:18

having to deal with it. We talk about

1:03:21

it's detrimental and how

1:03:23

it is just nonsense and

1:03:25

noise. But of course,

1:03:28

you want to reach as many people as

1:03:30

you can with this book and everything that's going on. So

1:03:32

I was kind of curious of dealing

1:03:35

with social media. I know that you're on it.

1:03:37

We had talked about this earlier. Do

1:03:39

you have a discipline? It's like, okay, well, for

1:03:41

two hours every night, I guess I'll get on

1:03:44

deal with this stupid thing and talk to these

1:03:46

people who have reached out. Or what

1:03:48

is your approach to that? Well,

1:03:50

my approach is every Monday, okay,

1:03:52

you're going to get one post from me a week.

1:03:55

And I take about maybe

1:03:57

an hour to hour and a half after.

1:03:59

I'll post it,

1:04:01

I'll do it, and then I get away from it.

1:04:03

I'm gone. Here's your post, and

1:04:06

I'll make sure that every single post is not about

1:04:08

me. So this shit ain't about me,

1:04:10

man. I'm about you

1:04:12

figuring out you.

1:04:13

Some people take it personal, some people get you a little

1:04:15

butt hurt.

1:04:17

This is about you figuring out your

1:04:19

self talk has to change. The most important

1:04:21

conversation you ever have is the one you have with your fucking

1:04:23

self. You walk around with it all day,

1:04:25

you act on it pretty soon, good or bad. I

1:04:28

want you to change who you are. So

1:04:30

let's you look at it.

1:04:32

After about an hour or two, I'll come back and start answering

1:04:35

a few of these questions.

1:04:37

Those people say, hey, how you do this, how you do that? Maybe

1:04:39

an hour and a half, two hours, I'll answer it, and I'm done.

1:04:42

I'm off, because why? I'm

1:04:45

still chipping away at David Goggins

1:04:48

every single day. If I spend so

1:04:50

much time being occupied

1:04:52

by that,

1:04:54

I cannot chip away at what's

1:04:56

important.

1:04:57

I'm still figuring out different

1:05:00

things. I got the equation figured out, but

1:05:03

now the real journey has begun.

1:05:06

So I'm still chipping away at life. Still

1:05:08

chipping away at life.

1:05:11

Johnny and I have started to really

1:05:13

throw ourselves into the training for

1:05:15

the race and really pushing ourselves physically.

1:05:18

For a large chunk of my life, the

1:05:20

physical was not that important. Was

1:05:23

average at everything, not really concerned

1:05:25

about hitting the gym, certainly didn't care about

1:05:27

what other people thought about the way that I looked

1:05:29

physically, because I was average. I've

1:05:32

now come out the other side, and we talk about

1:05:34

this all the time, that a door open

1:05:36

rush after completing the run. That

1:05:39

feeling you get after crushing your PR in the gym,

1:05:42

pushing yourself beyond that mental governor

1:05:45

that we all have. What are your

1:05:47

thoughts on people who

1:05:50

are unsure about their own physical strength? Do

1:05:52

you feel that everyone should push themselves physically,

1:05:55

and that's a really important part of making you

1:05:57

who you were?

1:05:58

I think pushing yourself physically.

1:05:59

is the number one

1:06:03

factor of life.

1:06:05

That is the true spot where

1:06:07

you can really dive deep

1:06:09

into life's about self-discipline,

1:06:12

is about self-discipline. We

1:06:14

tend to do the things that are easy.

1:06:17

And that is, it builds no mental

1:06:19

toughness, it builds no mental hardening, it

1:06:21

builds nothing. When you

1:06:23

work out,

1:06:24

working out is where you can

1:06:26

build out the fastest, because

1:06:29

it's a constant, it gives you instant feedback.

1:06:31

Yeah, you may not lose the weight

1:06:33

you want to real fast, but the discipline

1:06:36

it takes, it transfers over it to all

1:06:38

aspects of your life. It's

1:06:40

not people, man, why are you always working

1:06:42

out? Stop looking at that

1:06:45

way. This is the foundation

1:06:47

of life. When you look

1:06:50

in the mirror,

1:06:51

every morning we all look in the mirror to get ready to go to work,

1:06:54

to go anywhere.

1:06:55

The first thing you see is your reflection.

1:06:57

If you look what you see in the morning, you lost

1:07:00

the war already. It's not

1:07:02

even like in what you see. It's about looking

1:07:04

in the mirror and you may start, man, I feel different.

1:07:07

That reflection may

1:07:08

be not, that reflects not everything.

1:07:10

It's a feeling you're supposed to get.

1:07:12

So you have to, in life, once you leave

1:07:14

your house, the war begins. In

1:07:17

your house, you have some control. And

1:07:20

that reflects in that mirror, you have to control that reflection

1:07:22

in the mirror. That's how you start your day. Leave your

1:07:24

house feeling like, okay, I can fight.

1:07:27

I've established

1:07:28

the mentality to fight. And

1:07:30

all that comes from working out.

1:07:32

It's not just from, you can't

1:07:34

find that in the office.

1:07:36

And what we've discovered and chatted

1:07:38

about on the show with a lot of our guests

1:07:40

is morning and nighttime

1:07:42

rituals to prepare yourself

1:07:45

mentally for the day, for that war outside the

1:07:47

door. Obviously you're controlling your

1:07:49

environment in the morning and same with night,

1:07:51

I think, especially when it comes to feats of strength

1:07:54

and physical ability, you gotta recharge, you gotta recover.

1:07:57

So how you wind down at night and getting

1:07:59

a full. night's rest scientifically has proven

1:08:02

to change everything physically, mentally,

1:08:04

emotionally. What are those habits

1:08:06

you built up around your morning and nighttime routine?

1:08:09

Well, my morning routine is every

1:08:11

day I get up and run. Every single

1:08:14

day. Because why? I hate that the most.

1:08:17

So that is where you share that feeling. Yeah,

1:08:19

I hate that the most. So you

1:08:21

have to do something that sucks every day.

1:08:24

Because why once you overcome the suck, oh,

1:08:27

now you're powerful. You've overcome

1:08:29

yourself already. So now you're ready to battle. I

1:08:32

go to the gym about four times a week. But

1:08:34

my biggest thing I do

1:08:36

is my nighttime routine. I

1:08:38

stretch out anywhere from two to four hours

1:08:40

every night for the last five. It used

1:08:42

to be a lot longer than that. And I talked

1:08:44

about in my book why I started doing this thing. But

1:08:46

I had

1:08:48

through my whole life, as you see, I was using my fight or

1:08:50

flight muscle. I was under severe

1:08:52

stress as a child growing up, my job,

1:08:54

whatever, a lot of stress. If

1:08:56

you're sitting down right now, Raj using our psoas

1:08:58

muscle, your hip flexor muscle. And

1:09:01

I give you a two second on that. That

1:09:04

muscle attaches to your T12.

1:09:08

And about five or six years ago, I got really,

1:09:11

really sick. Doctors give me

1:09:13

all kind of hormones. Take this, take this, take

1:09:15

this. And it's in the book real good.

1:09:17

So I won't go deep into it now. But

1:09:19

I lay it back and I literally say, you know what? I'm

1:09:21

dying. The doctors can't figure out what's wrong

1:09:23

with me. My blood tests were coming back fine.

1:09:26

I decided I can't even run a block.

1:09:29

I went from around 205 miles to can run a block. I'm

1:09:31

in my bed sitting there. And I started

1:09:34

to realize I had these humongous knots on

1:09:36

my hip flexors

1:09:39

and back in my head. And

1:09:41

I said, I'm just done. So I started slowly

1:09:43

stretching out. I couldn't do anything.

1:09:46

Over a period of a couple of years,

1:09:49

I got off this medication, that medication.

1:09:51

I was on like 15, I was on several medications. And

1:09:54

I'm on one. And

1:09:56

honestly, I would, I believe no doctor

1:09:58

has said this is what happened to you.

1:10:00

I was literally so tight, I was cutting

1:10:03

off blood supply in different places in my

1:10:05

organs. The more opened up my

1:10:07

body. So now I went from running 830 mile

1:10:10

on a training run to now run the 715 to 7

1:10:12

minute mile on a training run.

1:10:14

At the same heart rate.

1:10:16

And it's not because I'm trained any different. It's

1:10:19

just because my body, my body's opened up

1:10:21

and it's loud more blood flow. So every

1:10:23

night I stretch out and it's truly, I have

1:10:25

to be wound so fucking tight. Like

1:10:28

I couldn't sit in this chair for this long. I'm like,

1:10:30

I could get out of here, man. I'll give you a go. It's

1:10:32

totally changed my whole perspective of life.

1:10:35

It changed everything. So stretching out, yoga,

1:10:38

all those things

1:10:39

has put me in a whole different state of mind. And

1:10:42

I'm the helpiest I've been in my entire life, mentally and physically.

1:10:45

With everything that you've accomplished and

1:10:47

you still have a lifetime to go. Right.

1:10:50

Is there something that you want to be known

1:10:53

for? The one thing that you want to stand out through

1:10:55

all of these accomplishments and be remembered for. Um,

1:10:58

honestly, I

1:11:01

honestly want to be considered one of the

1:11:03

hardest men to walk the planet earth in the history

1:11:05

of the world.

1:11:07

And I mean by hard, I'm not talking about the

1:11:09

guy who gets the most pull ups and most sit ups runs

1:11:12

the most.

1:11:13

Just the person who's able to overcome

1:11:16

any adversity in front of them

1:11:18

to figure out a way.

1:11:20

Hardness isn't about

1:11:22

all this physical shit, man. Yeah.

1:11:25

It's helped me get to where I'm at. So

1:11:27

all I was doing in the whole process,

1:11:29

the process wouldn't be ripped. It wouldn't walk

1:11:32

around my shirt off. That wasn't it. I

1:11:34

knew through the physical challenges, through

1:11:36

the physical suffering, my mind

1:11:39

was getting stronger. I was literally doing

1:11:41

that for a reason. I had a weak mind.

1:11:45

All the rest has happened to come with it. I

1:11:48

was trying to strengthen the mind to handle

1:11:51

all the, all the judgment that's passed

1:11:53

on me perceived

1:11:54

and not sometimes you make it up in your

1:11:56

own mind. It's in your own head. You know, I, I just

1:11:59

want to be able to. to handle all of that, everything,

1:12:02

physical, mental.

1:12:04

I want to be perceived as that,

1:12:06

like an old school barbarian, old school

1:12:08

guy. That's like, God, dog, man.

1:12:10

Nothing can hurt the guy, which is why

1:12:12

the book is titled

1:12:14

Can't Hurt Me.

1:12:15

I want people to have that mantra

1:12:18

in their life. Take that with you. Take

1:12:20

it everywhere you go in life. If

1:12:22

you believe that and you work towards

1:12:24

that, callous in your mind, strengthen

1:12:26

yourself, can't hurt me as strong

1:12:29

in any situation. Like when I was in buzz, they beat

1:12:32

the shit out of you. I'd be the first

1:12:34

one to get me to say, can't hurt me, motherfucker. And

1:12:36

they were beating the hell out of me. But you

1:12:38

say that enough to you. False motivation

1:12:41

becomes fucking real motivation after

1:12:43

a while.

1:12:44

What's the next big challenge for you? What's

1:12:46

the next thing you're tackling?

1:12:48

Honestly, the next big challenge right now is what

1:12:51

I'm doing right now.

1:12:53

Like

1:12:55

I've, when I was in sixth grade,

1:12:57

I started real bad, severely

1:13:00

bad. Fifth, sixth grade, fourth

1:13:02

grade, horrible. Had

1:13:04

like my hair would fall out. Wipe splashes

1:13:06

over my skin. Horrible, horrible

1:13:09

anxiety.

1:13:11

So

1:13:12

me talking about myself as

1:13:14

much as I am on stage, on podcast,

1:13:18

I'm still overcoming, you're still battling.

1:13:20

Cause it's comfortable for me to say I'm off a sort

1:13:22

of meet, you know, they don't talk to me. I'm good.

1:13:24

Go back to being my hermit. This

1:13:26

is very uncomfortable. So I'm constantly coming outside

1:13:28

my comfort zones and doing this stuff. Now, share

1:13:31

my story with people as much as I can. And

1:13:34

do you do any coaching of

1:13:37

clients in terms of physical or mental,

1:13:39

obviously motivational speaking opens

1:13:42

up these opportunities to take on one-on-one

1:13:44

or group coaching clients? So I do take

1:13:46

on clients, but a select few. Cause

1:13:49

what I realized is I'm not a cookie

1:13:51

cutter type of guy. I'm not here to take

1:13:53

your money. I don't, you know, I'm

1:13:55

here to help you.

1:13:57

If you're coming in to work with a guy

1:13:59

like me.

1:14:00

who knows that you have to have thick skin

1:14:02

to get better. You have to call yourself

1:14:04

out if you're fat and you're fucked up. I

1:14:07

wanna hear that.

1:14:08

I don't wanna hear you tap dancing

1:14:10

around shit. So I don't

1:14:12

take on many clients because when you work

1:14:14

with me, we're gonna get to the root

1:14:17

of the fucking problem. And a lot of people

1:14:19

don't wanna go there. They don't wanna talk about the

1:14:21

childhood. They don't wanna talk about their past. They don't

1:14:23

wanna get to the root of the problems. And then they go, why am I not

1:14:26

getting better? Because there's a lot of shit

1:14:28

in there you haven't dealt with, brother. People

1:14:30

go to the gym, like for instance, going through any

1:14:32

kind of special operation school. These

1:14:35

people go to the gym, they get big,

1:14:37

they get jacked, they can run fast,

1:14:39

all that shit. But

1:14:41

the only thing they're doing is they're coding over the

1:14:44

mind. All you're doing is building

1:14:46

a bigger, stronger quitter. Your

1:14:49

mind hasn't gotten any stronger because you haven't gone back

1:14:51

in there and dealt with shit. So second adversity

1:14:54

comes like, my God, I'm so fucking

1:14:56

fit. What's wrong?

1:14:58

Your mind is still soft.

1:15:01

So I work on the mind. What's

1:15:03

the application process like? Where

1:15:06

could you? Well, speaking on that,

1:15:08

sounds like how weak. Speaking on

1:15:10

that application process. So,

1:15:13

Jesse's been out there in his book and we

1:15:16

know from his perspective of seeing

1:15:18

you and him thinking of how, and

1:15:21

he gave it his story of how you guys met and what

1:15:23

he was thinking when he had saw you. But

1:15:25

we don't know your side of it, of what Jesse

1:15:28

coming up to you and talking to you and asking, I don't

1:15:31

even know if that was the plan at first,

1:15:34

but what you must have been thinking with

1:15:36

this crazy guy who's out there with the

1:15:39

circus running around the train. The suits,

1:15:41

the chairs, the trainers. Well, that's

1:15:43

the one big thing right there is, and I'll

1:15:45

ask you a question is, but what you said, I lived

1:15:47

with this guy for a couple, a few weeks.

1:15:49

Yeah.

1:15:52

This is a lifestyle. You

1:15:54

can't temporarily dive

1:15:57

into it,

1:15:58

sprinkle it around, sample it. it out

1:16:00

and roll out. This is something,

1:16:02

man, that you had to acquire as a part of your everyday

1:16:05

grind. But when Jesse came

1:16:07

up to me after this race, I

1:16:09

was

1:16:12

so like back then I was very like,

1:16:15

don't talk to me, motherfucker type of person. It

1:16:18

was very weird, you know, because my

1:16:20

life, especially then, I didn't know

1:16:22

any soft. And I looked at everything

1:16:24

in his life as very like, you can't

1:16:26

get hard, man.

1:16:28

It's impossible.

1:16:29

Why? Because you have your refrigerator

1:16:32

in your mind.

1:16:33

It's so full.

1:16:35

You've arrived.

1:16:37

It's hard to take a person that's arrived,

1:16:39

take him in the fucking bring him down to

1:16:41

the fucking sewer with me and say, Okay,

1:16:43

now we're gonna live. Now we're gonna figure

1:16:46

out so imagine that guy who has, you know,

1:16:48

maids, drivers, masseuses,

1:16:52

chefs, and I'm

1:16:53

taking this guy and say, Okay, man, we're

1:16:55

not gonna live in hell.

1:16:57

It was very tough. Yeah.

1:17:00

And the difference being,

1:17:02

he knew countdown the days 2322 days

1:17:06

and I'm back to life. Yeah. And

1:17:09

see, it's hard for me.

1:17:11

And

1:17:11

this is no cut on anybody. I

1:17:14

had to mature a lot. Not everybody's David

1:17:16

Goggins. It's hard for me to respect

1:17:18

people who

1:17:20

are able to come in to that world

1:17:22

and leave. Sure.

1:17:24

This is a fucking lifestyle, man. Like, and

1:17:27

people wonder why am I not achieving more?

1:17:30

It's because once you want all

1:17:32

of us once we achieve something, we

1:17:35

celebrate for a long years,

1:17:38

fucking time and we wonder, why don't I have

1:17:40

drive anymore? Where's it all at? If

1:17:43

you don't develop a routine

1:17:45

of suffering, and suffering

1:17:47

not like go out and kill yourself every day, it's

1:17:50

being uncomfortable. Yeah. That

1:17:52

keeps you hungry every day. If you

1:17:54

live in your victories for so long and say,

1:17:57

I'm gonna go challenge myself for 30 days or for

1:17:59

two weeks or

1:17:59

One this run this one marathon.

1:18:02

It is I did one marathon

1:18:06

Okay

1:18:07

That's why it leaves you

1:18:09

It leaves you because you haven't set up the next

1:18:12

obstacle Obstacles is how

1:18:14

you grow you must continue to have

1:18:16

friction Friction is where growth

1:18:18

is at with no friction. There's no growth. I

1:18:21

love that

1:18:22

No growth

1:18:23

So where can we find the book? Where can

1:18:25

we pick up a copy in and

1:18:28

apply for this coaching? Feel

1:18:31

they have it in them. Well, everything with can't

1:18:33

hurt me the book the audio all

1:18:36

the everything for can't hurt me Is

1:18:38

on amazon. So you go to amazon? Um,

1:18:41

it's uh, it's just a book about the mind better

1:18:44

yourself finding that finding that uh, 3.14 finding

1:18:48

your percentage finding how to your your equation

1:18:50

and removing the theory Removing the talking

1:18:53

about and putting into practice Theory

1:18:55

we cannot listen to theorists

1:18:58

So what theorists do

1:19:00

is they take? uh

1:19:03

a hundred people

1:19:05

And they study the normal

1:19:07

people of the world They're

1:19:09

all studies There's a whole

1:19:12

bunch of people outside the normal They

1:19:14

haven't done studies on

1:19:15

they haven't done studies on the people

1:19:18

who are seriously great

1:19:20

Who are seriously great?

1:19:21

They take studies off of normal people

1:19:24

You cannot live in that normal

1:19:26

mindset. You must be your best

1:19:28

On your worst day and how

1:19:30

you do that is you cannot

1:19:33

think of a normal mindset

1:19:36

You cannot have a normal mindset

1:19:38

I love it. Thank you. I'm just thank you very

1:19:40

much. It's been a fantastic conversation I appreciate

1:19:42

you taking on this challenge because

1:19:44

sharing this stuff and this viewpoint,

1:19:47

right? It's easy to get the trophies

1:19:49

these days. It's easy to be coddled There's not

1:19:51

enough people speaking the real truth that

1:19:53

you suck and you got to do shit that

1:19:55

sucks to get better Right and

1:19:58

that message we're happy to spread It

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has impacted both of us. It's why

1:20:02

we took on the challenges that we continue to take

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and let's keep moving because what

1:20:09

else is there to do in life? That's it, man. There's

1:20:11

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1:20:16

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