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I. Met with Alex. Garland director of

0:32

the new Buzzy Film Civil War.

0:35

On the day of the solar eclipse. Irish,

0:37

physically. Eclipse happening right this second? Is

0:39

that weird? Sorry

0:43

to interrupt. Literally a very dark go.

0:46

It is and also people started by Windows on the

0:48

other side of History which is. I. Mean

0:50

it was suddenly become very still, very quiet

0:52

on the streets of New York, right outside

0:55

of the A Twenty Four. Movie Studio offices

0:57

where we were. Meeting. And

0:59

it was eerie. loose fitting, His

1:02

movie is set in a quiet

1:04

war torn American landscape, one where

1:07

Texas and California have gone to

1:09

war against a three term president

1:11

who was disbanded the F B

1:13

I and deemed journalists enemy combatants.

1:16

May be shot. On sight, The

1:18

story starts as that civil war is coming

1:20

to an end. You're. Treated to

1:23

images of burnt out military

1:25

helicopters and mall parking lots,

1:27

interstate highways clogged with abandoned

1:29

cars and you follow a

1:31

group of photo journalist trying

1:33

to capture the final images

1:35

of the war at any

1:37

cost. Now

1:43

Carlin was the writer behind the

1:45

zombie flick twenty eight days later.

1:47

And frankly, I wished. A zombie would

1:49

have appeared in this felt kind of offer

1:51

some relief from what felt. Like an

1:53

all too real scenario. This

1:56

is a movie that ass what could happen. If

1:58

the system of checks and balances, The

2:00

whole, the democracy. Together fall apart,

2:03

And I wanted to know how you

2:05

talk about that without lecturing. Or talking

2:07

down to the people. That you

2:09

want to see it. This is the

2:12

assignments I'm. Audie Cornish. And

2:14

on Today's Show writer and

2:16

director Alex Garland on his

2:18

films. Of all. Our

2:28

true and will come to the assignments. Priests

2:30

are you talking with us versus

2:32

we've talked about your films are

2:34

being a kind of arguments. What

2:37

was the argument that was the germ of this

2:39

one? Argument

2:42

as conversation the outside. But

2:44

yes, you are the Germans.

2:47

This one it was. There

2:49

were two distinct areas for

2:52

their completely co related. One

2:54

of them is a populist

2:57

politics. Division. Populism

3:00

really leads towards extremism. With and

3:02

where were you when you are

3:04

encountering Populism? Oh. Everywhere.

3:06

I mean I have my own

3:08

country in the Uk. It's extremely

3:11

evidence here. It's of isn't across

3:13

Europe. Or

3:15

populism and polarization in the

3:17

to the way they go

3:19

together as and the journey

3:21

their own. I'm Ah, Israel,

3:23

A Asia, South America. It's

3:25

It's not hard to find

3:27

countries that have some kind

3:29

of deep division which is

3:31

represented. In

3:34

politics and in their population. So

3:36

there was that side of it

3:38

which was just putting rule very

3:40

familiar with and has been around

3:42

for quite awhile now or Sli

3:45

and there was another set of

3:47

those which was to do with

3:49

journalism and journalists and wondering why

3:51

journalism had lost the traction that

3:53

it used to have, Why was

3:55

perceived as being an enemy of

3:57

them? White was interested. So

4:00

what had led to that

4:02

situation? Which obviously, stitch, Complex

4:04

picture, but that's a d if the

4:07

question is, where did all come from

4:09

Us Reconfirm. Yeah, there's always a

4:11

dram or something and I know

4:13

for me, storytelling like we haven't.

4:15

Done very many many movies on a shell. And

4:17

one this came out and and. The internet

4:20

kind of went nuts because of what they

4:22

perceived to be like a kind of obvious.

4:24

Allegories: The first thing I thought, well in the

4:27

why is Alex Garland doing it and that was

4:29

the germ of me wanting to talk to You

4:31

mean it was like, wait a second. Why would

4:33

this person. Tackle.

4:36

This, and. After seeing it without

4:38

like irony, right like this is not something

4:40

that's a little bit of a joke or

4:42

a wink. No. No. Partly

4:44

because I. Ah, I take it

4:47

seriously. I don't take it seriously in

4:49

a cell serious way. Of In some

4:51

ways if you would work on something

4:54

for two years, you'd better care about

4:56

it because you're gonna be living with

4:58

it for a long time if fattest

5:00

in the and was longer than two

5:03

years. But also, I don't actually take

5:05

the subject matter lightly with a wink.

5:07

In fact, I have a feeling that

5:10

we partly entered into the situation wherein

5:12

by people being playful with serious stuff.

5:14

What I think. Is the people who.

5:17

Believed. And this was

5:19

politicians but it also included sections

5:21

of the media to they could

5:23

act in a way the didn't

5:26

take. Deposition. Seriously,

5:28

in terms of a requirement to true

5:30

saw to society or two tone or

5:32

to the meaning of words and that

5:34

it was all kind of in a

5:37

way knock about fun and it might

5:39

progress. They career birds wasn't really that

5:41

damaging because they're just a small voice

5:43

in a big canvas. A little bit

5:45

of like this story is really wild

5:48

without underscoring for the audience. The very

5:50

serious nature of some of those. Ideas.

5:53

Yeah so what I'm saying is really

5:55

Wild Sandy Hook Cove whatever it is

5:57

that is the example been used his.

6:00

Is an invention and

6:02

ah ah. I. Get

6:04

it? So kind of. The

6:06

online commentary that known escalated

6:08

into online Prince isn't politicians.

6:10

anybody with a voice. social

6:12

media the that there isn't

6:14

any danger attached to doing

6:16

these things. There's something playful

6:18

about doing these things that

6:21

would absolutely include politicians as

6:23

well. And.

6:27

It's it's a complicated better because.

6:30

Ah, There

6:32

is in some ways an element

6:34

of truth, which is that being

6:36

irreverent has it's own function and

6:39

and different voices in different spaces

6:41

have their own function, but as

6:43

it drifts away from being extremists,

6:46

them becomes mainstream than something else

6:48

says to occur and I felt

6:51

worried. but lots of other people

6:53

feel worried about it's one of

6:55

my one of my general feelings

6:58

about this whole subject matter is

7:00

that I'm of subject. Matter meaning

7:02

polarization as a threat of. Dysfunctional

7:06

Democracy ratings breaking down with

7:08

which leads to authoritarianism eventually

7:10

can lead to fascism in

7:13

fact, and that this was

7:15

it, that there was a

7:17

generalized sense of disquiet and

7:19

the disquiet was not located

7:21

to a political party it

7:24

actually quite shared. It

7:26

would probably probably be shared in

7:29

a sensor a space, but still

7:31

shed. And ah, I could certainly

7:33

see lots of journalists doing good

7:35

work and. Being.

7:38

Straight food and balanced and honest and

7:41

direct by their work having no traction

7:43

in the way. Used to have tracks

7:45

and and so I would think about

7:47

why that was what was going on

7:49

and what? What are those journalists their

7:51

to do? What? Why do we need

7:53

them? What are they protecting us from

7:56

The they're not able to protect us

7:58

from in the same way. Psyllids. Interesting

8:00

about what you're saying. I can

8:02

help people out with a plot

8:04

even if you haven't seen. and

8:06

you have this handful of effectively

8:08

war journalists on American soil. taking

8:10

an odyssey? a trip from New

8:12

York. I'm. To. The

8:14

District of Columbia where they hope to

8:17

get the big scoop. The final scoop.

8:19

This sort of fascists president either stepping

8:21

down, being captured, are doing an interview

8:23

with him as some kind and being

8:25

courageous. Take. Taking a

8:27

personal risk for a story,

8:29

but in choosing. Kind of

8:32

war correspondents. I feel like you picked. A. Certain

8:34

breed. At. That was sort

8:36

of a more time journalists. They

8:38

have experiences that. Can.

8:41

Turn them into risk takers can turn

8:43

them into pro tip. Get right. A

8:45

kind of cynicism who the reason why I'm

8:48

saying this is eating Take small. Town newspaper

8:50

people and turn them into people reporting raid

8:52

what you did as you took people. Who

8:55

we typically see. In

8:57

Glimpses An international reports

9:00

and. You brought them here

9:02

and it made it for a very jarring

9:04

experience raid on for for me as an

9:07

American a made for drawing experience because I'm

9:09

not used to seeing my country through that

9:11

lens run. Are

9:14

also chose them just by always reporters

9:16

which in that way they are likes.

9:18

Some. A work on a small time,

9:20

a small town paper. Innocence. They're recording

9:23

what I see, but they're the sharp

9:25

end of that form of reporting for

9:27

sure. And and yeah, that's baked into

9:29

the story. The really you have a

9:31

journalist through the start of the film

9:33

is were traumatized by things they have

9:35

encountered over the course of their work

9:37

life and is now having to deal

9:39

with that kind of imagery being at

9:42

home and away that she didn't expect

9:44

to saw the she might have been

9:46

warning against innocence. And of imagery

9:48

that as an at the certainly I

9:50

would say the West, but certainly Americans

9:52

were sort of studiously protected from. So

9:55

the main characters play by Chris Sundance.

9:57

He's the sort. Of long time, you

9:59

know, Photo journalist and. There

10:02

were so many visual. References and her

10:04

memory. Two traumas that I recall

10:06

sort of reading about and reporting

10:08

so. Whether that's.

10:12

Necklace. Same rate which is like though the

10:14

way. That anti Apartheid activists would

10:16

execute traders and South Africa

10:18

seeing body is hanging from

10:20

an overpass. Something people may

10:23

think of from the reporting

10:25

of cartels. And Mexico. All

10:27

of these images that she. Has

10:29

lived with as he put. On. Us

10:31

Soil. yeah that's exactly right. Do the

10:33

same references you have for the same

10:36

ones I have and I think part

10:38

of.is it is a sort of and

10:40

to exceptionalism. Point

10:42

which is the nobody's immune. Underneath the

10:44

whole film is a pretty simple idea

10:47

or think which is that the system

10:49

of checks and balances we have which

10:51

is. To parts. Of government

10:53

but also journalists are there to

10:55

guard against something that they're not

10:57

arbitrary, they're there to protect us

10:59

and if you are road them.

11:02

What are you guarding against? The thing

11:04

to you are guarding against might now

11:06

a rise and people do get complacent

11:09

about seeing the and other countries and

11:11

do not believe that they have some

11:13

kind of immunity. They have no immunity.

11:15

Immunity is actually the checks and balances.

11:17

and if in the playful way I

11:20

was talking about earlier, you could call

11:22

it playful. or you could call it

11:24

irresponsible. You erode those things. They.

11:26

Can be serious consequences. One.

11:30

Other point on this that I sound interesting and

11:32

help. It's not a spoiler to talk about pets.

11:35

You have references throughout the

11:37

cel Mai characters will imply

11:39

that their parents or somewhere

11:41

somewhere else people aren't paying

11:43

attention to the fact that

11:45

there. Is a violent Civil

11:47

war going on on American

11:49

soil? A. Or

11:51

offences. Are

11:54

doesn't wear is like a. Pretty.

11:57

Huge civil war going follicles on

11:59

there. I'm sure

12:01

that. We. Just try to say

12:03

I'll. Stay on. With.

12:06

What we see on the news seems like it's

12:08

for the best. To

12:11

let me know if you're training. Them.

12:14

At one point there is a character

12:16

who says well liked that's not happening

12:18

here that's on the news. It is

12:20

depressing as it's like the logical conclusion

12:22

to people constantly telling you that your

12:24

fake news. Or that there's misinformation that

12:26

one day they'll look you in the

12:28

face and not acknowledge. That like tanks rolling

12:31

down the street. Yes

12:33

yes absolutely As and says the thing

12:35

I would spend a lot of time

12:37

thinking about why is the when I

12:39

was younger If the press broke a

12:42

certain kind of story about a certain

12:44

kind of politician andrew tend to look

12:46

the best example be Nixon was codes

12:48

to perfect bit of journalism leading to

12:50

the downfall of a president. or was

12:53

he doing he was lying and he

12:55

was being a crook and he was

12:57

called Alfred A Knopf Ended his career

12:59

and I wonder. Would. That

13:01

happen in the same way Now

13:04

I'm not sure why wouldn't happen.

13:06

In fact I suspect I really

13:08

suspect in my not that say

13:10

in. Arguably has

13:12

happened and it didn't have

13:14

any consequences or the consequences

13:16

are currently. A noble

13:19

or in the when the process of seeing

13:21

it will get played out says. Is no

13:23

political ideology in the cell? Mean you

13:25

don't have. Read without. Ah, tell. Me

13:27

more it when when I mean when I that is

13:29

Nobody comes out and says I'm from a red. State:

13:32

I'm from a blue state. I'm from

13:34

this party. I'm from That party would

13:36

tell me how you think of it

13:38

actually does. That's true, but that in

13:41

itself is not the absence of a

13:43

political ideology. Political ideologies don't have to

13:45

reduce to red vs. Blue, And in

13:47

fact, within the film there is a

13:50

deliberate discussion about that to do with

13:52

Texas and California having joined forces, which

13:54

is there to provoke a question which

13:56

is on what terms as the Civil

13:59

War playing out. I'm why

14:01

are these two allied? What would

14:03

they consider to be more important

14:05

than their political differences, right? In

14:07

this case, it's a president to

14:09

as it stands to a third

14:12

term, disbands. the F B. Attacks

14:15

People are correct. Strikes on Us

14:17

soil without. Say this anything is a

14:19

fascist. Yeah yeah is it isn't as they

14:21

were of the latest. I say it was

14:23

interesting. You picked a couple of precise be

14:26

I did pick precise speeds and that is

14:28

usually to terms in which. The

14:31

conversation in for in the film

14:33

takes place or I hope it

14:35

allows for conversation and interpretation and

14:37

discuss and. I

14:39

think it's more that people say

14:42

the film is not political and

14:44

then I question just what politics

14:46

means as a word. And

14:48

also of people say it's not sufficiently

14:51

left wing enough for is not sufficiently

14:53

right wing enough. One of the things

14:55

I would ask is what do you

14:57

mean by left wing and right wing?

15:00

What is left wing? Right wing actually

15:02

means you what? And also where it

15:04

is, where the their boundaries sit. Where

15:08

does it stop? Being a left wing, right

15:10

wing discussion, it becomes an extremist discussion. all

15:12

like what you need to see for it

15:14

to fall under your. Preconceived. Notions.

15:18

Just because it does, It's not laid out.

15:20

Using all of our

15:23

cultural. And media

15:25

markers only mean it's not political

15:27

are utterly one of the things

15:29

I'm saying is to things have

15:31

been dragged into what is mostly

15:33

left right debate that I'm not

15:35

sure have any real position within

15:37

left wing or right wing politics.

15:39

So I just whenever having that

15:41

conversation I need to know what

15:43

people mean by left wing and

15:45

right Wing. Are they talking about

15:47

ah way taxation gets used to

15:49

they talk about free markets versus

15:51

regulated markets. Are they talking about

15:53

abortion? And I'm. Personally not sure.

15:56

Whether abortion is a left rights

15:58

issue, I can eat. The imagine a

16:00

leftwing person who is anti abortion. Maybe

16:03

because they're a carrier. For example, I

16:05

can't say the same about free markets.

16:07

Or yeah, tell that overlay we have

16:09

a tendency to us. We

16:11

don't have a we have. You know,

16:13

we have an overlay and the question

16:15

is, what are the forces behind those

16:17

overlays? What is being dragged into the

16:19

debate? Who is dragged Me into the

16:21

debate? Why are they dragged me into

16:23

the To debate And how much of

16:25

that is part of polarization? How much

16:27

of that is somebody saying I need

16:29

that constituency votes away? So I'm gonna

16:31

take this position whether I believe it

16:33

or not. For example, Outs

16:37

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18:00

War. I. Want to know that

18:02

your relationship with. Illustrations.

18:05

And photography. I

18:08

felt like I was watching a film where

18:10

amidst there are. Moments. Of it

18:12

that are quite literally through viewfinder and

18:14

quite. Literally reference famous

18:17

war photographs. But.

18:20

Also just are beautifully

18:22

composed and. Edges I understand

18:24

your dad was a cartoonists it out

18:26

as got am kind of curious about

18:28

your drawing life when I grew up.

18:32

With him and my mom's cool

18:34

some and during was always around

18:36

he was always during his or

18:38

fascinates know the people drink and

18:40

i grew up around people newspapers

18:43

because he was a political cartoonists

18:45

or and also newspapers don't have

18:47

many cartoonists but I have many

18:49

journalists and I'm so his buddies

18:51

were people who worked on the

18:54

paper and all sorts of different

18:56

capacities they were editors and political

18:58

journalists who for correspondence and a

19:00

bird in terms. Of images I

19:02

i was also are trying to

19:05

do a throwback really to an

19:07

old fashioned kind of journalism about

19:09

reporting in the weights news photographers

19:11

would operate. And in

19:13

some ways the film is about a

19:15

young. News. Photographer who's who

19:17

is an older one is attempting to dissuade

19:20

them in a sense from the past they're

19:22

taking kind of you don't want this life

19:24

kid at is a little bit of the

19:26

town Yeah, because because there's often a conflict

19:28

between the personal price the a journalist might.

19:31

Pay. In relation to

19:33

the worked actually do yes they So he

19:35

talks about the trauma that this character has

19:38

thinking about the things that she seems that

19:40

also seat says at one point which I

19:42

have heard before in terms of justifying the

19:44

worse you do and which chronicled the do

19:47

not intervene at is that we record so

19:49

other people ask yes if that is something

19:51

you heard from someone or something or we

19:53

end up like oh yeah are they are

19:56

all the time or but there's a price

19:58

that the end of it. It pays

20:00

so said he individual journalists. So many

20:02

of those people are traumatised. I'm they're

20:04

doing important work for has an individual.

20:06

they have to live with Some the

20:09

consequences of the last month. the ethics

20:11

of that. That's. Still a conversation

20:13

now and Alice and they should ask

20:15

about it but on balance we we

20:17

do need people doing that. I I

20:20

think in some ways it's ah you

20:22

could compare it to like any are

20:24

surgeon who is may be doing very

20:27

difficult things and being traumatized. If a

20:29

child has been hit by car and

20:31

then they lose that child that must

20:33

have a terrible effect on them but

20:36

we still need some help doing that.

20:38

The net effect is not just a

20:40

they help but we. Need some. It.

20:43

See think they health. Yes, I

20:45

do. I think I am

20:47

a huge believer in the

20:49

importance of unbiased journalism. I

20:52

think the something strange happens

20:54

Journalism has been hugely on

20:56

the mind is partly the

20:58

context of social media. I

21:00

think it's also politicians going

21:02

out of their way to

21:04

undermine journalism and journalists. And

21:06

it's also I've been done

21:09

internally by large organizations, really

21:11

embracing by us and trying

21:13

to hold on to. Advertising

21:15

revenue by making sure they

21:17

keep their audience and there's

21:19

been a net effect for.

21:22

All of these things. It. I don't

21:24

want people to hear this and think that it's

21:26

like academic cel mai sus it does. It's one

21:28

of the most. Visceral. And then it's stunning

21:30

experiences I've ever had. I'm in fact,

21:32

I'm blowing it's I see I'm terribly

21:35

selling for hims, right? Oh yeah, I

21:37

know you're yeah for sure. fear underselling

21:39

in a visit. Yeah, yeah I say.

21:41

It's not that it's a war movie

21:43

that is not on. We

21:46

see so many things blown up. I see The White House.

21:48

Blown Up! How many times in a

21:50

felony? times? And I absolutely

21:52

never felt the way I

21:54

sell watching the attacks on

21:56

monuments in this film on.

21:59

An eye. Don't. Know why that was.

22:02

I think it's because it

22:04

had a sense of real

22:06

danger. And six steaks exactly

22:08

dirt The the the things

22:10

that it's showing are probably

22:12

things you're worried about. One

22:14

of the reasons I made

22:16

this film in the way

22:18

I made it is because

22:20

I don't think. I'd

22:22

rather let me price of this way.

22:24

I do think those concerns are shared

22:26

by lots of different people who may

22:29

disagree about all sorts of things, for

22:31

they agree about that. and not only

22:33

that, I join them and not concern,

22:35

I also am concerned about it. I

22:37

don't think that. That these.

22:39

Things have no consequences. I think they

22:41

do as consequences. So I was speaking

22:44

to that. We.

22:46

Talked about this idea of. The.

22:49

Journalist song, you know? We.

22:52

Record So other people ask that a

22:54

good writers and directors as people who

22:56

dream so that. Other people

22:58

ask i get a player like you

23:00

show us scenarios and we sit in

23:03

the audience and ask ourselves can I

23:05

live in this Could I survive in

23:07

this letter that be lighter, funny Et

23:10

and and also some firms are just

23:12

there to purely entertain and that's okay,

23:14

not this, That's where I am. I

23:16

know you like defending him. many points

23:19

for like this is not a popcorn

23:21

situation know But hopefully what it is

23:23

is a compelling film and it's engaging.

23:26

So it's compelling and it's engaging. And

23:28

then hopefully is thought provoking. but it

23:30

is a kind of visceral experience that

23:33

that leads to yeah, sinking talking, the

23:35

conference and he's a lot of your

23:37

time and I pc you talking with

23:39

us. Is there anything that you wish People

23:41

asked about the sound that they aren't. Know.

23:44

I just wish I was better selling phones.

23:46

I'm hopeless, that's why So, but you're. Hopeless.

23:49

At as I had to tell you something

23:51

as interviewed a lot of directors and. Just

23:53

because you're not doing the razzle dazzle doesn't

23:55

mean. Like the fact that you wanna

23:57

talk about it actually is huge. Thank

24:00

you I It's just not in me

24:02

that Russell Square so lazy. New As a

24:04

writer like want One of the reasons why you're good. To

24:06

interviews Because writers know the story. You're

24:08

not somebody. Who's like adapted the story or

24:11

thought about it a lot or just lived

24:13

with for a long time? Fundamentally, this is

24:15

you. In a lot of ways.

24:17

yeah, but it's also other people.

24:19

My experience of other people is

24:21

always not. Was this allies? There's

24:24

always our laws for most people

24:26

are polite conversation, no. Respect.

24:28

For it, when you meet them one

24:30

on one, you can come from any

24:32

number of different backgrounds, who, worlds, or

24:35

whatever. And this includes a lot of

24:37

traveling all sorts of different places. I'm

24:39

not a supra. you can get our

24:41

country and people are broadly pretty sensitive

24:43

and pretty good natured unless you put

24:45

them in extremists. But and then they're

24:47

willing to shoot and hang their neighbor.

24:50

Then they are willing to shoot knowing

24:52

the neighbor. And that's why it's a

24:54

sort of anti exceptionalism film. Because we're

24:56

all. Open to that question

24:58

is in the film. Is this

25:01

something we should be really thinking

25:03

about guarding against her And the

25:05

answer for probably implicitly as yes,

25:08

But then. Ah

25:10

know, you know I'm gonna shut up on to

25:12

school either. That. Books

25:15

As you read. As a

25:18

kid, I read almost exclusively

25:20

nonfiction. Ah, I see, I

25:22

read history and science and

25:24

journalism. Actually, I'm I remember

25:26

talking to one of the

25:29

creators of the Last, right?

25:31

else? And damn he told me that

25:33

his dad or parent someone gave him bucks

25:35

kid mystery box and they would rip out

25:37

the and like the. To.

25:40

Your own adventure suspended? I never figured out

25:42

and I didn't say this person had trouble

25:44

a third acts, but they might have had

25:46

your phone. Is there an ethics s? And

25:48

so have you know, I'm sure everyone does a see you

25:51

we think about your. Body of work and we try

25:53

and it together. A narrative, right? That's our job.

25:55

As like reviewers are, critics are trying to create

25:57

a story for the audience to say. Here's here's

25:59

why we. This film is interesting and

26:01

I guess the you know I wondered

26:03

for you a over time have you

26:05

heard people say hey the seems to

26:07

be the theme of your work I

26:10

i have a lot and sometimes a

26:12

thing or know what you mean and

26:14

sometimes I think port where did come

26:16

from and are both very broadly I

26:18

would say it's always the same. There

26:20

is some kind of thing going on

26:22

in the world where it could be

26:25

I could be quantum computing, it could

26:27

be politics. it could be people's behavior

26:29

with in marriages. Or whatever happens to

26:31

be and then I just react to

26:33

it. And that's

26:35

all it's ever been. Pretty. Even

26:38

twenty eight days later which is

26:40

a zombie flick cried was really

26:43

that was a consequence of me

26:45

having just been in a country

26:47

that had been destroyed, ready by

26:49

decades of conflicts and just thinking.

26:53

It's like wanting to bring it. Home

26:56

to wake people up. Maybe or

26:58

something even a zombie flick. This

27:00

is a reaction to something. that's

27:03

that's the through line I think.

27:06

Both. Of you And you. Alex

27:08

Garland he's the writer and director.

27:11

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