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welcome to the metaverse your name

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here please take your shoes off

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and make yourself comfortable in

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, metaverse all your needs will be attended

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to you will work play

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live eat sleep breathe

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and poop all from the confines

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of your virtual world world

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is this metaphors thing all about

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if you have a vr headset but

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one on now if you don't

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put on your pretend vr headset

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you know like the one you're kindergarten

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teacher told you to you today

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we welcome cathy hackle the godmother

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of the metaverse to share what the

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metaverse is all about and how soon

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we will be entering into either

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a utopian paradise or

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dystopian hell's gate let's

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get matter what not that city facebook

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brand on today's episode

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and and i did play as we talk about your in his interview

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playing on space or not io

3:16

and you can do that on iraq us

3:19

even do it on your i pad or i

3:21

phone or your android or you don't on desktop

3:24

you gonna fifty people in a room something

3:26

maybe we have the people rsvp

3:29

are supposed to come into the after party us

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they'll be fantastic i would love to do that so

3:35

watch for information on the

3:37

bath and we got

3:39

a great interview for you guys today if that

3:41

we've been trying to get kathy hacker to

3:44

come on the show for some time in

3:46

we've had just different reasons that it

3:48

didn't work out we finally got or if as she

3:50

still trapped in a cage done over there

3:52

not even the metaverse but our own

3:55

private centralized one that she can

3:57

escape

3:58

and

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so let's get all met a versatile with

4:03

it here's our interview with

4:05

kathy

4:10

what is this thing

4:12

called the metaverse are we calling

4:14

it by it's right name or the dystopian

4:17

visions that we have a bit from

4:19

science fiction film and tv

4:22

accurate or is it actually

4:24

we're gonna be hopeful

4:26

for us i don't know you

4:29

know

4:29

the

4:31

doesn't know

4:33

it has nose is muted that's than the cancer

4:35

i was viewed it as try to get to that might

4:37

would have too many monitors those lightweight and

4:39

which know that you're going

4:42

out and over and i'll gather as and

4:45

are too busy you're busy you're and that your metaverse

4:47

thing over their own actually trying to find the show

4:49

notes and then i didn't see any shot and i see

4:51

the shown us and so now i'm also notify

4:54

well you know what you don't need to know a lot

4:57

because our guests today nose

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at all she is a top tech voice

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on linked in see as the author

5:03

of the best selling book navigating

5:05

the metaverse a guide to limitless possibilities

5:08

in a web three world along with our good

5:10

friend dark louis from upland

5:13

doctors also the author of the book

5:15

and she's also a friend of ours known

5:17

her for a number of years stand

5:20

watch her rise to fame

5:22

as a i think we might have to the cure

5:24

for your to for dub her the

5:26

queen of the metaverse the one and only

5:29

cathy hackle cathy welcome to bed crypto

5:32

i am so excited to be here i've been

5:34

wanting to be on the show for a while and i've just

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that what do you think of the title queen

5:38

of the metaverse

5:40

the so actually paris hilton already

5:42

two thousand

5:43

now she is why

5:45

why would she okay give me the

5:47

case you're paris hilton tell me why

5:50

you should be queen of the metaverse

5:52

draft her but i know she's invest

5:54

a lot of start out since you is is

5:56

that paris world and road blocks that are

5:59

you know

5:59

more power to her more power to us

6:02

of people call me that godmother of the metaverse

6:04

so oh hey you know

6:07

well you

6:09

know i've been in the medical medical related

6:11

industries for over eight years like i actually

6:13

met y'all before he went into

6:15

tech like a metric is when i was in live streaming

6:18

like back in the day i'm

6:20

in then eventually one into vr they are never

6:22

was like you are crazy what are you doing

6:24

i remember before reaching out like what it

6:25

that want to ride

6:28

wanted you evolve from i get from are

6:30

you where your you position yourself you

6:32

will be woven the web ring

6:34

my nicely

6:36

the i wrote the wave i always say

6:38

i recognize the rocket when i saw one knows

6:40

that i'm getting on this rocky i don't know where to

6:42

take me but i know i'm going up

6:44

so yeah you know been in matters for

6:46

they didn't the streets over eight years worked

6:48

with htc vive i

6:50

was there vr evangelists are in a partnership with silvers

6:53

ready player one will the adaptation of ernie clients

6:55

but went over to

6:58

a magic leap as well with

7:00

, pure people share my know or not

7:02

but they make special computing glasses augment a valid

7:04

glasses the chief you

7:06

trust when i was there was actually neal

7:08

stephenson who coined the term metaverse

7:11

besides my novel

7:12

the

7:13

then actually ended at amazon services

7:15

and worked on many things, including large-scale

7:17

gaming simulations, and then

7:20

washed up on my own and my company got a

7:22

quiet in 10 months just crazy,

7:24

i met him thank

7:26

you yeah, i mean i sold it for 7 figures

7:29

i feel real

7:29

good about that you should cells each now

7:32

so a so but nobody owns you were mean

7:34

you're like you're an independent

7:36

now just the since journey the company

7:38

that bought my company i'm now

7:40

the journey on their chief by diverse officer

7:42

but no one owns the i am i

7:44

you're there my own m v the

7:47

on i am this you know he is the cmos

7:49

sensor cm vo could

7:51

see a movie i cannot be

7:52

for you see meadows the people ccm

7:55

our see mvr like

7:57

i've heard also

7:58

the acronym for

7:59

the

7:59

it matters officer some i give myself

8:02

that title by the way

8:04

okay guys are turning in i'm

8:07

i'm go that

8:08

that of or

8:09

officer so you know what's

8:12

in his whole space involved

8:14

i'm aware joe have his family you'll have

8:16

is is metaverse rare kill him second

8:18

was next question will be about the metaverse

8:21

grant that he had but i'm curious

8:23

they weren't where are we

8:25

in the web three metaverse

8:28

world like how far along are we

8:30

in how long it's a wee gets a mass adoption

8:32

because it seems like them the still early

8:36

they made friends you know nothing

8:38

idea because of the murderous have been around for long

8:40

time it's more like the building blocks of

8:42

creating national met averse are so

8:44

far out like far away and my perspective

8:46

right i see like some of the

8:48

gaming platforms as metaverse

8:51

platforms lowercase am or

8:53

, met a vs or keep them right

8:56

so like when someone says like roadblocks is the metrics

8:58

or like for name is the members i don't agree with

9:00

that you know i think the metaverse

9:03

the greater members that metaverse capital metaverse

9:05

is not here yet rebuilding towards it

9:08

yeah you know we were right now my what

9:10

would the next ten years are all about or a building

9:13

the rails filling the devices

9:15

getting to where we need to do with computing power as

9:17

computing billing send

9:19

the bill content as content what works what doesn't

9:21

work i said that's my perspective some

9:23

people believe it's already here to me know to mean

9:25

we're like we're building this building

9:27

this the next ten years huge moment for builders

9:30

which ever part you're going to play rates

9:33

or another important part if

9:35

not want technology it's many

9:37

different technology so it's enable by many different

9:39

technologies that is the arc as a people

9:41

tend to be like really hyper focused on like

9:43

ready player one know like now that's

9:45

a pretty this topic the other future i'm

9:48

so yeah it's not the are specifically the are

9:50

is one of the enabling technologies believe that a

9:52

rx you've got you know blocked in

9:54

in an appeaser another part of an ai

9:56

or it's competing like i mentioned five gs

9:59

if she were comes that the sort of more boring

10:01

ones face of but but yeah a

10:03

there's a lot of different technologies that enable

10:05

it and it's definitely not one single company

10:08

so i'm so yeah that's kind of like what

10:10

i believe what i envision

10:12

and see from members and what

10:14

when you know in this is really interesting as about

10:16

two years ago i'm an article

10:19

in forbes an essay called at the metaverse

10:21

is coming it's a very big deal this

10:23

before

10:23

everyone was talking about them

10:25

right and i saw have people that hi

10:27

i'm from friends that we can say hey that was such a monumental

10:30

piece for me it might have been the for sending came across

10:32

the city and this concept and down

10:34

you know in it's in seat in tennessee where

10:36

we're now like we're building towards it

10:39

you know people are talking about it yes there's

10:41

hype it's very high be i completely agree

10:44

that idea a concept that there is a successor

10:46

stated that is mobile internet and we're building

10:48

at right now for me definitely remains

10:50

to be the it remains the true

10:52

that but but the hype you know cycle

10:54

it has to happen and if you look

10:56

at you know the internet and mid

10:59

late nineties there was worried about

11:01

it and then we have the dot com crash and

11:03

then the internet came back stronger than ever now

11:06

jeff bezos ones all of us right and and mark

11:08

zuckerberg ones us i like

11:10

what you said about metaverse with the small

11:12

am and you went right to the heart of

11:14

my rant the fact that we're using

11:16

the term metaverse incorrectly

11:19

cause i think a metaverse indicates that

11:21

there's one this is the unifying

11:24

verse and as interoperability

11:26

between we should be calling these virtual

11:29

worlds or vs but

11:31

we're not in so a even a project

11:34

i'm working on now they're building or metaverse

11:36

and i've gotta go along with it because

11:38

this is part of the deal but i've

11:40

had the the articulate since

11:43

they came out with that march two

11:45

thousand and sixteen and want to say remember that

11:47

i remember when he added yeah and that

11:49

was the refs that connected to the pc and

11:51

i still i use my after was quest

11:54

almost every day playing beat saber

11:56

which is probably not good for my shoulders

11:58

and all that but i love it so much

11:59

anyway, i was going to ask

12:02

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12:39

you, you know, you had you were playing

12:41

with vr

12:42

and ar headset before,

12:44

i mean, i you even had a google glass,

12:47

right? i

12:48

did it i wore her

12:50

own one, but i did, you know, i

12:52

did were and gears

12:54

too early right? it was

12:56

too early people like google

12:59

glass what does class

13:00

oh my gosh these looking we're we're

13:03

looking glass is that had cameras that would be

13:05

recording things me

13:07

, know robert scoble a the some

13:09

you know now there's a lot of negative

13:11

things that happened but he

13:14

, kind of like the guy that some

13:16

worried in the shower and some of that and like gonna

13:19

get

13:19

they're take an and i'm but

13:21

he was if you know when it wake him out of the marketing

13:23

was wrong it was too early like

13:25

if you look at all the marketing and six at a point where

13:28

you

13:28

during the skill in two thousand

13:30

and thirteen i just looked around for wikipedia

13:32

april two thousand and thirteen and they sold

13:34

them for fifteen hundred dollars they

13:37

went public with them in may

13:39

of two thousand and fourteen and in january two

13:41

thousand and fifteen this stuff

13:43

reducing them and i had ordered

13:45

one ready the beginning of january and i

13:47

heard the rest are producing i myself don't send

13:49

it refinance

13:52

yeah man i'm for you know they

13:54

they did revamp are they launched aversion to which

13:56

is all enterprise nino

13:58

like like they've got some use case like

14:00

the shanghai airport in singapore uses them for

14:02

like logistics of stuff so so they did

14:04

make a comeback in some ways with better hardware

14:07

but , for the enterprise but it's still it's not a product

14:09

the you see everyone using you

14:12

know that there isn't that there it's still wears

14:14

his and i'm like wow that's crazy so

14:17

it is amazing for or corporate used

14:19

to imagine like if you're a working

14:21

at amazon warehouse or something you're like

14:24

oh i'm picking this side of my whoop whoop

14:27

i you know it's like yeah there are some definite some

14:29

use cases for that and i think more

14:31

so as we you know moved

14:33

down the line right by borders use cases

14:36

of a are i'm i'm mostly are

14:39

i gay or retail really awesome

14:41

me too i think definitely like magic leap

14:43

and my microsoft hololens which are more

14:46

advanced you know a special repeating and

14:48

air air glasses i think that that

14:50

very powerful to me to be honest translate

14:52

what excites you at the metaverse is yeah i love

14:55

the virtual to side of it but the physical world

14:57

is part of the members it just hasn't been enable

15:00

by them when that when that part of the equation

15:02

gets enable lonely full emerge birtles with physical

15:05

that is the holy grail like that is

15:07

going to change salt like definitely

15:09

change how we get a technology and a level

15:11

that we've never seen before like the phone changed everything

15:13

right

15:14

that next level that we're heading into is gonna

15:16

make make that big change against from

15:19

a societal

15:19

right click on your is

15:21

is the next the like we got into

15:24

vr in this beta testing

15:26

phase first right we're playing with

15:28

our quest and all that but it seems to me

15:30

that a are is gonna make the big them

15:33

first and then vr as

15:35

demonstrated by how many millions of people

15:37

play pokemon go nothing

15:39

came out

15:41

the amount of people that are on snapshot of

15:43

rioters amount of people that are now i'm fucked up which is

15:45

embracing a are like these are things that

15:47

people are already doing right if you ask any

15:49

gens the that's buying early young millennial

15:52

urgency that's fine make that virtual try

15:54

on is not a nice to have it's a must have right

15:56

now how can i not try this colorado

15:59

my does lipstick list

15:59

the great so i think that there's this and

16:02

this kind of mama right now it's want muslin or mobile

16:04

phones but eventually lose up to glasses and

16:07

whenever does move up there than that changes the

16:09

equation and changes everything so

16:11

i'm said you think there's this moment at

16:13

be no i think of some of us that have it

16:15

in the states for a long long time to get the term

16:17

extended reality or xr that

16:20

is the idea that you know eventually eventually

16:22

who knows if this happens right you

16:25

might have might have that can do both vr so

16:27

fully immersive and can do a are right

16:29

that remains to be seen etc but

16:32

for yeah eventually that's the concept than the idea

16:34

some people want to have is something i can

16:36

do both i'm losing you know

16:38

i mean i enjoyed my time in vr but don't

16:40

like i can be in their forty five minutes and they have to take

16:42

the headset they can leave for a little better

16:45

to take a break and then i can go back in am

16:47

but there's only so much time i can be in that it

16:49

was i feel that was a with glasses mean

16:52

or potential with they are glasses depending on

16:54

on the technology mit oh to wear them longer

16:57

the what will have to see some it's a super

16:59

exciting time and seneca times i will say

17:02

that

17:02

the people underestimate how hard it

17:04

is to put a su

17:05

the computer and someone's face

17:07

that part is really tough and really

17:09

hard to do some the battery

17:11

the optics the weight the economic everything

17:14

the have to do with putting that exactly

17:15

glad you live in your face

17:18

they've mom wasn't

17:20

gonna be sexy and we're not there yet so

17:23

so that that they're both good as the

17:25

question because i've always thought of this the you

17:27

don't have to put the battery and the glasses

17:29

much you know you can have like

17:31

a little psychic good i'm good clip of

17:33

some on my belt or something and maybe plug

17:36

in it and and and having a little bit a lot and

17:38

i'm plug in a bag into the of the the external

17:40

battery that wouldn't be a problem

17:42

the underwoods other some research i've seen

17:44

a couple of things that are really interesting the

17:46

mayor of kind of children something

17:48

one

17:49

is apple like i'm i'm

17:51

reading that you know there are branded they're going

17:53

to launch a twenty twenty two and i rather than a larger

17:56

twenty twenty four and i've also been reading

17:58

about these a yard

17:59

contact lenses yeah mojo vision

18:02

so what's going on with that one can we

18:04

actually maybe so what do you think we're going to see some

18:06

of these papadopoulos

18:08

yeah i mean i mean the only the

18:10

people that work with an apple that have knowledge

18:12

of that can tell you like anyone else is just speculating

18:15

right because no one knows it's like oh they're going to lunch and twenty

18:17

twenty two hundred and twenty three that being said tim

18:20

cook is build a bit more open about

18:22

then he'll be like yes we are we believe in augmented

18:25

reality and it's a big part of what we're doing

18:27

so he said to be the more open i think you know in

18:30

a year maybe here and a half will hear a little

18:32

bit more and he'll be like n one more thing

18:35

so we'll see i think we're all excited about that about

18:38

that be a pivotal moment and thing for everyone the stupidity

18:40

only really early it's like did you

18:42

might not everyone ran out and on nice when when

18:44

it first came out logical did but not everyone

18:47

the same thing i thought

18:48

like and i was were not everyone on gotten

18:50

i was but the was already and i watched

18:53

by got i didn't get the museum

18:55

one i was or the you're young and i for

18:57

a generation for i was in and i

19:00

finally just got a brand new ones

19:02

i think it's probably will have with those other gases

19:04

when i think that's going to change the game like

19:06

you're better off those

19:08

my only concern is like how much data

19:10

they're going to be able to pull from actors are going to

19:12

see everything i'm reading and at

19:15

every place i go i

19:16

bothers me robot

19:18

yeah a lot of those devices are cameras both

19:20

looking outward looking at us what's up

19:22

for your eyes yeah yeah yeahs

19:24

iraq us already measures like how you

19:26

they already you know scan your hands so

19:28

they do hand tracking it a scams

19:30

your eyes it's can you know i

19:33

think it's within twenty seconds the were in marculescu

19:35

as you can be at the have enough information

19:37

by metro did a d personally identify you an

19:40

episode of that there is that why part

19:42

of the future there isn't scary part

19:44

of future when it comes to biometrics and data itself

19:46

and i think it's a legitimate fear so

19:48

i hadn't heard i heard some he talking about

19:51

contact lenses but i didn't realize erection

19:53

development mojo dot vision yes

19:55

yeah see how did he has them some up

19:58

memphis as mojo lenses the luxury

20:00

design use the tiny micro l

20:02

e d display the size of a grain

20:04

of sand to show critical information

20:07

and smart sensors powered by solid

20:09

state batteries built into a skull

20:11

errol lens that also correct

20:13

your vision by overlaying digital

20:15

information on to our world mojo lens

20:18

empire impose each of us to be your best self

20:20

than any situation good marketing speak

20:22

but basically this means the future

20:24

of our a ar and vr

20:27

is not a headset and have done

20:29

the surly glasses but these contact

20:31

lenses seem to be the avenue

20:33

and i could see them being blackout lenses that

20:35

then turn into vr

20:37

yeah i do you think we're further out from

20:39

black from consequences just

20:41

as there's a lot more to solve their i'm

20:44

the ceo

20:44

millionaires and have a look weird my

20:46

get me going i'm like you

20:48

have no soul will look at you they're

20:50

all black like legit to me with my notes

20:53

or

20:54

some

20:57

people do that there is where baset

21:00

they were these contact lenses that are like

21:02

snake eyes and stuff as creepy

21:04

looking things that people due to

21:06

their eyes so what are

21:08

one for this transition consequences

21:10

were like you know just like your glasses if you

21:12

were transition glasses like guilt or dark like there's

21:15

transition popping noises simple on people don't

21:17

use of is it's weird

21:18

it simply yeah they do exist but

21:20

elsa year as the future consequences maybe

21:22

i just don't know where there yet out with with

21:24

those types of wearable something with bring

21:27

computer interfaces that camino connect our

21:29

brain it to to our computers they

21:31

are we ready for implant i don't think everyone's ready

21:34

for that i'm you know i've used

21:36

the external devices and they're quite interesting but

21:38

am i ready to put something in my brain the chip

21:40

no i'm not ready to do anything like that or

21:42

an external device yeah more if it were an external

21:45

devices that makes my life easier so

21:47

i'm sorry no you know i think i

21:49

think we're going and mobo away from the mobile phone

21:52

into glasses what comes next potentially

21:54

contact lenses they'll be some level of

21:56

the computer interface who knows

21:58

that being said every time i see

21:59

the phone an announcement it's like

22:02

how many more cameras can we have to the sound like

22:04

what else can we do to this thing to make

22:06

a better and i think that that's where we're getting to that point works

22:08

innovation has the leaders in a different now because

22:11

there's only so much more i can answer the phone

22:13

film yeah i did discover that

22:15

on my i phone that this little whistle

22:17

camera right there is light on

22:20

the i realized that with lard are and you can

22:22

literally take a volume metric scan

22:24

of your room then you could

22:26

and i haven't figured out how to turn that into

22:28

the metaverse is in the intro metaphors

22:30

asset or in environments and that

22:33

it's definitely with it was kinda

22:35

it was kinda janky i look really weird like

22:37

it was all like my my not

22:39

really smooth as it could be so it's not

22:41

great lidar but it was the interesting isn't

22:43

my next question is around the virtual

22:46

world because i'm not going to call the metaverse cajole

22:48

scolds me where i'm at one of

22:50

the most what are the most fun

22:52

ones now that you think that and maybe

22:54

which was of the most realistic looking

22:57

then what kind of what kind of powered

22:59

you have to have to get into those like you

23:01

gotta have a super powerful x p c

23:04

d gotta have the the the different

23:06

me our headsets like what's the

23:08

accessibility

23:09

for you like when it comes to virtual

23:11

worlds in my mind i divide them into centralized

23:14

and decentralized regular decentralized

23:16

is a lot of her friends like a plan in the sandbox

23:19

and ah you know and love

23:21

the central and and all those where you actually have

23:24

you know there's an end of the components you

23:26

actually own that you can own

23:28

and trade the lan you could own the assets will

23:30

listen to things right and eat as

23:32

we know from be sent to land in the sandbox you

23:34

know yona fairly near a gaming pc

23:36

with and crazy graphics card to run

23:40

vega running out you know a regular been in

23:42

upland runs in a mobile phone as well so soviet

23:44

graphics ways i'm not really going to go that way but what

23:46

i do think from the centralized perspectives

23:49

from a high fidelity standpoint anything built

23:51

with the unreal engine is going to be really

23:53

high fidelity that being said you need is catching up

23:55

spread like fortnight has great graphics

23:58

the eat also if you

23:59

any game creator with with you know with foreign

24:02

with unreal engine is gonna have great graphics as

24:04

well as solid core core

24:06

is like and unreal engine pre

24:08

the game looks very similar to fortnight

24:10

but is actually veering into web three

24:12

these three these of announced an integration with what

24:15

three beyond just displaying your and a sees them

24:17

the bear further so keep your eye on them there

24:19

a smaller platform right but fidelity wife at

24:21

all yeah

24:22

core

24:23

the all are either owned by massacre games

24:26

and it deserves the nelson integration with wet

24:28

with with web three and damn

24:30

in we actually use them so what we did the first bell

24:32

ringing though myself and journey

24:35

my company that the first bell ringing both in

24:37

the physical world that nasa market site in

24:40

him in in in the metaverse

24:42

have caught them at a restaurant as the of a virtual

24:44

space and in car we did it live

24:47

so i rang the bell physically and nasa shop

24:49

in the market and then my avatar

24:51

which was been you know being

24:53

used my friend of mine ah press the bell

24:55

also in this virtual world and we can to get

24:57

it all at the same time went live on television

25:00

was crazy though actually pull that off but

25:02

yeah those below the glasses were

25:04

higher fidelity that being said

25:06

once again this another caviar if

25:09

you are a brand and you want to activate you want to

25:11

go you know you wouldn't necessarily you want to go

25:13

where where the players

25:14

where are the players made depending on who your

25:16

brand is what they want to what they want to attract

25:19

a lot of rams were working with our building a robot

25:21

it's about the are building afford a creative and

25:24

some want to do something and essential enter the sandbox

25:26

it really depends on where you're audiences but

25:28

if you're a big brand which was at work with a lot

25:30

of them are looking at roadblocks afford a

25:32

creative are some of these other platforms rights

25:35

activists

25:37

though these so called

25:39

metre vs that are not on block chain

25:42

robe lungs minecraft the

25:44

you see them being able

25:46

to make the pivot they want

25:48

to make the pivot where people have ownership

25:50

of their stuff

25:53

they don't know i don't know if they want

25:55

to make the pivot i think they might have eventually

25:57

make some type of integration

25:59

oh tess some type of integration

26:02

right into i think was epic you're really sad to see

26:04

some and is t games are an

26:06

epic store

26:08

so side i know i think

26:10

it'll it'll be a transitional

26:12

you know right now i think

26:14

it's gonna take some time some time core with core

26:16

did moving away from been decentralized the

26:19

to be no or a little bit more decentralized has gotta be

26:21

something that people can be looking at

26:23

the in how everything works out for them

26:25

that will be interesting i think that eventually they

26:27

will be testing some of these things

26:30

right or the other option is

26:32

for example microsoft microsoft activision

26:34

blizzard you know x box minecraft

26:37

they might try some type of interoperability

26:39

or decentralization within the

26:41

sun even you know we can't even call it decentralization

26:43

but some type of and interoperability

26:45

within their game with their within their universe

26:48

of game they could try that but

26:50

it might still be a centralized space

26:52

when they all microsoft is making those moves

26:55

they bought old space vr right

26:58

that's a recent acquisition and i'm

27:00

no great meeting place of they do with

27:02

that what they've done with minecraft

27:05

no that can be huge

27:08

i'm i'm curious about this i i just

27:10

you know the other day i was

27:13

in a a twitter space and some i guess

27:15

oh come check out my area in

27:17

space show bought iowa so

27:20

we literally went inside and

27:22

inside and t that was a penthouse

27:24

it was like whoa whoa whoa hold

27:26

on a second this is an nfc it's a then

27:29

i worked there was an exclusive both was

27:31

an end of the company

27:32

i'm i'm hour

27:33

i bought a a dubai

27:35

penthouse a pair of penn

27:37

how and you can x is so

27:39

it was really the it'll spot about it is

27:41

that are you due to my brr are

27:44

monsters quests are you doing on

27:46

the i pad are you doing on my phone

27:48

or i could do it on the browser and so that

27:50

was a good way to get people into these

27:52

virtual worlds not just

27:54

with a headset on average of what else

27:57

they can we can have we can have the

27:59

ip parties that would appear at a penthouse

28:02

what people were and in it and

28:04

can be kind of gonzalez aside that

28:07

me was new i never been inside

28:09

of an energy from i know it's alvin

28:11

wait a second

28:13

cool so are there other platforms

28:15

as core that like that where you can have these

28:17

these these environments that are actually

28:19

it is t environments enough t barman

28:22

how you would call them

28:23

yeah yeah i mean the first of all the big shot

28:25

to the team of the exclusive all i love the work they've been doing

28:27

and i love with a partner with spatial

28:30

to take this to the next level right so i'm

28:32

this fisher

28:33

the around been overwhelming metaverse right space

28:35

program

28:36

are you an eye on a few things will you know like

28:38

i'm i bought some other initial lands

28:41

at my land that mean tennis i don't want to call them

28:43

the i some like remember what it called the have them specific

28:45

names of oh yeah i think that they're doing

28:48

a really good job of i think i think

28:50

the point there travis there travis it's a lot about world

28:52

building

28:53

they have a say that a logical here he said like

28:55

in the metaverse were all world builders and now's

28:57

your time to build whether it

28:59

building community or building in and

29:01

of to your building world's like it's our time

29:03

to build right now so tend to start creating this yeah

29:06

i think that that's where you know the part distributors

29:08

cause of on pay in the spatial made a lot of fat

29:10

they were both growing there are both and a heady in this

29:12

and in in these directions and the partnership

29:15

make sense of and say i think

29:17

you know at the cyber i a cyber isn't

29:20

cyber

29:21

favorite what's it called i can remember it like for

29:23

example i'm a clone x or holder think you

29:25

are to write a job

29:27

then we get the cyber what's called cyber

29:30

the dream cyberspace

29:32

i was or something coming that i'm not aware

29:34

of know

29:35

got it will got it will always

29:37

the price myspace while you're gonna

29:39

taste buds

29:40

that's besides the weekend our parade et cetera

29:42

et cetera and it's like i can remember

29:44

the name right now cyber something the high else

29:47

that at the you know that that's

29:49

an nfc that you can build into as

29:51

well so it's a nasty touch your and of tea but

29:54

they are you know a a

29:56

mean when you buy land as you know

29:58

in central and you can build on your bills on your

30:00

land which is an nfc the house isn't necessarily

30:02

menefee but

30:04

feel like these that are so

30:06

the earliest ones are there's

30:09

, of the central and sandbox

30:12

the someone space

30:15

and have no vassals right those are the

30:17

earliest ones earliest do

30:19

think that first mover advantage for those

30:22

is going to give them longevity

30:24

or do you think that some of them might

30:26

fail

30:28

i owe my i'm in three of those since i'm hoping

30:30

that three of us survive you

30:32

know not that i have anything against the fourth one bits

30:34

of the yeah you know i think you know sandbox

30:37

for example as he has had some amazing partnership

30:40

if either well positioned i mean i think

30:42

the central am from the central i'm from a community perspective

30:45

is really into seen they're doing some great events

30:47

i was that the chairwoman for medalists fashion week

30:49

helmand essential and so the

30:51

i don't know like will they all be

30:54

will they all survived i don't know i'm i'm

30:56

very actually

30:58

i'm very excited about star atlas

31:02

the

31:03

that once again unreal engine that's beautiful

31:06

beautiful

31:07

beautiful we were both a full

31:09

disclosure travis labels got to be early

31:11

investors and start out that ls

31:13

and yeah no i mean i

31:15

feel like wow it's kind of like

31:17

super quiet right now and

31:21

once had hit some people understand

31:23

what is as they're building what why didn't you besides

31:26

the fact that the graphics are pretty why do you like it

31:29

i love the team i think that without

31:31

him i think that the they've been quiet

31:33

for a reason i think it's because they're building

31:36

right they're building they're not

31:38

necessarily doing all the marketing stuff right now

31:40

they're building and i'm in

31:42

the stuff i've seen i'm just really impressed like

31:44

i'm

31:46

i'm watching president in ,

31:48

actually really impressed with them and

31:50

, their ideas and concepts and some how they're

31:52

putting it all together the that's

31:54

one that i would definitely keep my eye out

31:56

for

31:58

i love that i want to have

31:59

this so you know i

32:02

know a lot of people who are listen to the show

32:04

of maybe have kids that are that are building

32:06

and minecraft we were playing in

32:08

robots are they're doing stuff in

32:10

fortnight right my question

32:12

is around file formats like if

32:14

i want to create something for

32:16

a man averse and i actually downloaded unreal

32:19

engine five and i'm playing around with a sigh

32:21

that i'm i'm a graphic i myself i like

32:23

this board had of whereas i'm gonna see what i can

32:25

do but what what do you need

32:28

to export it as like of i want to put

32:30

something in spatial if i want to put some and

32:32

core one of his other was i had

32:34

a what what do i need to do the decrease

32:36

to export it is uploaded here it

32:38

is now it's inside the minimum

32:41

you know i would love to find a solution that can

32:43

do that for every single type of assets

32:46

but i haven't come across the solution that will dot for

32:48

everything right because at the another day what you're

32:50

trying to solve there's interoperability of how you take

32:52

the acid the you create it's imported into the sand

32:54

box where to look this way important and robots rates

32:56

of of the sweats imported into you

32:58

know the central am and then

33:00

are you weren't having an unreal engine

33:02

it's only able to be imported into as

33:04

long as it's warm and i got

33:06

yeah modifier the aluminium

33:08

not i mean you might know you you can that's a big

33:10

problem in our privileges accurately assess

33:13

right there are you know ready player me i think they

33:15

do a great job with the avatars mean a report them

33:17

into a whole bunch of different places the

33:20

you know it it's it's still not is so

33:22

many the let's say i build a house and spatial

33:24

and i build at once and then can i think that acid

33:27

imported into the sandbox and put it into the central

33:29

it's that probably does not exist and if it does

33:31

please reach out to let me know but

33:33

you know that the thing is that you know and then you also

33:35

talking about moving things between centralized and

33:37

decentralized platforms what is the incentive

33:39

for a centralized preference allow you to bring that in

33:42

you know

33:43

though some big big question definitely

33:45

they met you know it at any no incentive

33:48

indefinitely and i think you know the this

33:50

concept of the metaverse dot

33:52

metaverse happens when we have interoperability

33:55

between these and i can go from

33:57

the central and and move my avatar

34:00

if my possessions into sandbox

34:02

it might look their friends right your character

34:04

kind of changes because the graphic limit

34:06

not limitations i ,

34:08

that unreal five is going to do some

34:10

amazing things were rum we're we're

34:12

looking at victoria vr nas

34:15

as one of those which just looks again

34:17

they're building quietly quietly

34:20

i think i know the answer to this question

34:22

but maybe you can support or

34:25

disagree you know lot of people

34:27

are like well the best graphics are gonna win

34:30

or but then i look at you know sandbox

34:33

and essential you they think will look at minecraft

34:35

and roadblocks minecraft and age of amazing graphics

34:38

every player's gonna

34:40

want something different like new can't we can't make

34:42

that blanket statement that every once everyone wants

34:45

super high fidelity yea i think

34:47

that you know if i am at that

34:49

being said if i am a luxury brand and i wanna

34:51

you know port my you know my birkin bag

34:53

i might want to look for the most has fidelity because

34:55

that's just my eat those as a plan but

34:58

it doesn't mean that everything has to look a certain way or

35:00

the has to be done in and we'll see

35:03

i mean to each his own his think there's lots of different flavors

35:05

and you know some more some more boxes more

35:07

me a more foxholes way you know it'll

35:10

it'll really really depends

35:11

you know

35:13

i don't know like them my children at you

35:15

know my children play minecraft and roadblocks their

35:17

their their game you know

35:20

it's not like oh my gosh know when or where i want to move on

35:22

to for neck of the graphics are better like says

35:23

the conversation and we have you know

35:26

how do we inspire them yeah want

35:28

to be builders in the metaverse because

35:30

that's yeah yeah i speak of the disconnect

35:32

because they are the put another time

35:34

and robots in minecraft or for

35:36

by the way and i'll stop the don't always

35:38

think divorcee

35:40

centralize world

35:42

how we a lot of them are developing really

35:44

team building skills oh

35:46

yeah we bridge that rise

35:48

of unfounded put a fire and my daughter's as

35:50

the she's great a building southern minecraft are

35:53

like if you could learn how to do this and use

35:55

your learn how to gases

35:57

when haven't gotten any or sandbox

35:59

you could sell these assets and you

36:02

know which is like man

36:04

it you just tell you from my experience

36:06

with my son she's , at

36:08

at spam computer science camp right now

36:10

that's because he loves also became also role

36:13

lox developer last year certainly you want to

36:15

corps and to corps certification and

36:17

you develop some robots right now and he actually

36:19

makes money

36:20

you may not know happiness money to

36:22

people plays experience and whatever

36:24

try to do is kind of spend a little

36:26

time between world building between

36:29

what's a gameplay like when they're actually in their

36:31

gaming and world and world building right so

36:33

there there when they can also be building so

36:36

we gonna split that time because the building schools i think

36:38

is what's really important rights i think

36:40

that that's something i'm to something

36:42

that happened recently was the passing of

36:44

minecraft game or techno blaze might and

36:47

i'm i'm my son from into my office you knock the

36:49

my doors that mummy can't talk to you i just heard that techno

36:51

blaze

36:52

twenty three year old amer i'm very naughty

36:54

my fav

36:55

the passed away from cancer so we hadn't have a conversation

36:57

and he felt really sad you sad

37:00

in you want to win and he said i

37:02

have an idea we want to win that he came back not the

37:04

know and the door again and i opened it is

37:06

that i want to show you something so what orders that

37:08

you had gone into robots into one of his his

37:10

experiences in created a moral

37:13

so that's a moment for me where i said

37:16

wow the skills that i gave him or not

37:18

only helping him make a little money here and

37:20

there but are helping him cope and manages

37:22

emotions in a very positive way so

37:25

now the for me and i put an ongoing thing that

37:27

tons of feedback for me was

37:30

it really an important moment because she

37:32

deal he can also put he play sports is

37:34

also using physical activity to manage emotions

37:36

but he was able to use as building skills to

37:39

manage how he felt at that moment in

37:41

that to me was really powerful unlike what kinda

37:43

sick knowledge into the on making

37:45

money right it can actually help them express

37:47

themselves in a safe way in a way

37:49

that can allow them to i don't use

37:51

that knowledge in a different way

37:53

what your technologies amoral it's neither

37:55

good nor bad it's what we do with them this

37:57

is why you know we were so drawn to social

38:00

media in the beginning

38:02

and of course look what happens you know people

38:05

eventually turn something that's meant to connect

38:07

and for good and to give

38:09

people a place in a voice

38:11

a big tech comes in this is i think

38:14

the fear about the metaverse so

38:16

you've gotta have some that trepidation

38:19

as well as we as we get ready to

38:21

finish out here today maybe give

38:23

us your vision for what should

38:26

the metaverse look like

38:28

and so what are your biggest fears

38:32

i agree with you see up at night is definitely

38:34

the biometric data privacy in

38:36

others it's a things i think we

38:38

to have really open conversations really uncomfortable

38:40

conversations from the get go

38:42

because there will be challenges we don't even organ

38:44

exist that are going to pop up and happen right support

38:48

i'm i'm i'm let's have those an uncomfortable

38:50

conversations out

38:51

right am i believe

38:53

that i personally want to build

38:55

towards an open decentralized metaverse are mostly

38:58

open in decentralized that would be i think the goal

39:01

the man

39:02

you know

39:04

from the from

39:05

you know i'm i'm either you topic know this topic

39:08

about that i'm what's called for told me and i'm in the middle

39:10

the

39:12

you know i do think that if we build

39:14

the differently and if it is decentralized

39:17

and if we have want people making decisions

39:19

more companies at the forefront and

39:21

if you know and i person as a woman

39:24

ah in a latina if more

39:26

people like me can help build this future and have

39:28

a seat at the table side effects positive change

39:31

right so for me that's important right and i i

39:33

said this i said that it and now it's like i said i'm

39:35

not the typical face that you think of when you think of technology

39:37

right but that's what's important for everyone to know this

39:40

future is being built in everyone's welcome to build

39:42

the

39:42

it

39:43

though in that way said my now the tend to build right

39:45

you can build things without necessarily been

39:48

you know how i picture though

39:51

see i think that i think there is other there

39:53

is hope i think personally i have a lot of hope the

39:55

future is it all going to be perfect no i don't think so i think

39:58

there's no be that things that happened

40:00

you know i do want to build towards a better future for my

40:02

children that hopefully won't harvester data

40:06

if your hands off my data travis right

40:09

mean to be touching

40:11

try to keep my head have also data as

40:13

it seems like though that it's going to be captured more

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more so overtime so

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i guess i i love what you just said that it was kind of a

40:20

nice little wrapped it all up there and at the end

40:22

there any final words that you may be like to bestow

40:24

upon the listeners of bad crypto pia

40:27

about the metaverse kind of get rolling what

40:29

to do what that the how to think about this

40:32

how about this

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this as a rapper you get away from the hype

40:36

get away from

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i've been to think the spot the next that physicists

40:39

assessor state to the days mobile internet

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what would you want to seem done differently now is your

40:43

time to to really affect change

40:46

right it's it's it's it's this moment of creativity

40:48

and around explain it the moment

40:51

when there's helping me that we can make a better future

40:53

not a perfect

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don't don't read too much into that not a perfect one

40:56

at least a better one she just went on the public

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enemy on us travis don't believe i

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don't , the hype hype

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now i don't know i've learned i've

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been observed kathy hackle at

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a at kathy heckled dot com

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i'd like to buy a vowel please it's spelled

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h a c k l either

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and either before the l [unk]

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empowering shower gel

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let's just thrown in there somewhere

41:21

the godmother of the metaverse there are tons

41:23

of weeks in the show notes guys

41:26

for many of the things we discuss today

41:28

so make sure you check it out and at cathy

41:30

thanks for coming on and in tolerating

41:32

us i'll see it as an the metaverse

41:37

oh man i sprained my metaverse

41:40

the your metaphorical arch yeah i

41:42

don't know that would that in a parcel what is everybody

41:45

robot would have met another them or if you sprain

41:47

your med of or soul and means you get bent

41:49

outta shape and the metaverse oh

41:51

, you walk around like are like like

41:54

what happened with your controllers out of place in arms

41:56

like yeah for those

41:58

of you who have never said

41:59

the crypto vauxhall they didn't say

42:02

this during the interview i did say that it was

42:04

one of the for early ones i have a

42:06

feeling that's the one that she doesn't have landed

42:09

do you know she i mentioned sandbox

42:11

the central and i'm saw omnium

42:13

space in crypto vauxhall's and she says

42:15

she has three out of the force i'm guessing crypto

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boxes that the one and it's the only

42:19

one that we've actually built a space

42:22

in if you go to bad code dot

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i and forward slash foxholes

42:26

it'll put you right there at the entrance

42:29

or inside our a republic

42:31

of bad crypto pia in crypto vauxhall's

42:34

and you could belly up to the bar you'll see

42:36

that a travis and i are the doorman

42:38

where the bouncers and i'm

42:40

you can play some a music and

42:43

audio clips there at the bar just push the

42:45

play button once you're in there and it's just it's just kinda

42:47

fun to see this little thing we built i'll

42:49

put a link to it in the show notes to

42:51

no matter of fact on last

42:53

thursday i was on the twitters

42:56

and i saw but cook kimbo

42:58

sack talking about this comedy verse

43:01

so somebody and created

43:03

a comedy store inside

43:05

the metaverse i'm i was thinking about

43:08

like how cool would be to have a really good comedy

43:10

room you know and you have them i

43:12

could so the actually didn't him in

43:15

in crypto boxes

43:17

and i didn't get to go up on stage

43:19

because they already had their people already set up

43:21

but maybe in the future be able to go up but of kind

43:23

of weird because nobody can hear anybody

43:25

last

43:26

right so i was a good how cool it would be

43:28

would almost like find yourself

43:31

a laugh like this is my last ah

43:34

like was the most as a funny joke where everybody

43:37

pushes their last button

43:38

it's own unique laugh and i want to be

43:41

the guy who has that custom life us

43:43

like

43:46

if you don't want that you

43:49

know what that last year comedian you want to do

43:51

some annoying i know that's why i want to be that

43:53

guy it's like haggling legally oh

43:56

man that guy i love the idea of

43:58

comedy versa with your work

43:59

events of all kind they're they're coming

44:02

and we were going to put one on travis

44:04

they will figure out what that's gonna look like

44:06

and spaces and maybe will use all space

44:08

vr possess someone that's most successful

44:11

to a to people on the know

44:14

i think the one that's probably the most of the it is

44:16

a as spatial dot io because

44:18

he on you can do it on desktop you

44:20

doing on a mobile android ios

44:22

ipad or oculus i launched

44:24

in the oculus and it was buggy

44:27

yeah

44:28

i just fake another one of those we

44:30

are v or where do you that's worth schools i got i

44:33

got some bad as pin houses that are actually

44:35

enough t we don't care what your magazines

44:38

the different was

44:40

your penthouses

44:42

yeah penthouses i had

44:44

a clever now have you analog

44:46

perhaps magazine but i have mine

44:49

i want her house and dubai one in paris

44:51

why miami one in las vegas

44:54

and one somewhere else i don't even know where it is

44:56

but their inner peace and i got from our exclusive

44:58

books

44:59

i'm a really cool i did buy one of

45:01

those penthouses per your right direction

45:03

non financial advisor travis

45:06

front of your energies on the law and

45:08

play videos on the was like it's actually

45:10

pretty cool

45:11

let's see what the how about you and i

45:13

this week do of way around

45:15

and then we are going to where we want to do okay

45:17

a you know all space got purchased by microsoft

45:22

so very that me up on

45:24

off you assume the awful yeah yeah

45:26

it's it's the oldest vr

45:29

community app and it's

45:31

it's it runs pretty good anyhow

45:34

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