0:00

So nice to see you guys . We

0:02

are going to talk about ozone

0:04

therapy today , which is something

0:06

that I really know very

0:08

little about , nor do I really understand

0:11

how it works .

0:14

They have been silent all day

0:17

and just decided it's

0:19

okay .

0:22

It's because they can hear the you know what it's a dog

0:24

podcast , so it's super appropriate . It

0:27

adds a little flavor to the podcast episode

0:29

. I don't mind it at all , Um

0:32

so sorry , oh

0:35

man . I have a collection

0:37

right now . What kind of dog do you have ?

0:39

Yes , I find myself accidentally

0:41

rescuing dogs and cats in need

0:43

. So I have a

0:46

colony of geriatric dogs

0:48

and cats

0:51

.

0:51

Well , good for you for doing that . You just rescue them

0:53

and then help them live out the rest of their years .

0:56

Yep , I do so , being

0:59

in the field , I'm in , they

1:01

just happen to come my way and

1:04

yeah , so I have a

1:06

soft spot for them .

1:09

They know , they know , I know one of

1:11

my big dreams is to have , like a senior

1:14

dog sanctuary , just where

1:16

everybody can go and , just , you know

1:18

, live out the rest of their lives in peace

1:20

and being cared for Well

1:23

. Kudos to you for doing that . That's great .

1:26

Thank you , and hopefully they don't contribute

1:28

to this podcast much more today . It's

1:31

okay .

1:32

It's okay if they do . Well , we're going

1:34

to talk about ozone therapy and , as I

1:36

was saying , that this is something that I know very

1:38

little about . I know Dr Lindsay gave me

1:40

an ozone therapy shampoo

1:42

many moons ago for

1:44

my dog's skin issues

1:47

and it really seemed to help . I

1:50

don't know how , but it was like we had been using

1:52

like a medicated shampoo for a really long

1:54

time and it was super drying him out and nothing

1:56

was really getting better . But we you

1:58

know he had had skin stuff his whole life and so

2:00

we couldn't really get to the root of it , but this seemed to really

2:02

really help . So we've been using

2:05

that Um , but I know that it can

2:07

be used for like so many

2:09

different things . I was reading um

2:11

, all sorts of different ailments with our pups

2:13

, and so I'm just curious

2:15

. I think we're just going to dive in and talk

2:17

about what ozone therapy is like . Where

2:19

did it come from ? And , um

2:21

, we can , you can talk a little bit about you and how you

2:24

fell into it , and yeah

2:27

, all right , For sure I like it .

2:29

So , yeah , you are not alone

2:31

, because not a lot of

2:33

people know about ozone therapy at all

2:35

. So that's kind of one

2:37

of my missions that I accidentally

2:40

found myself falling upon is

2:43

spreading the word , because it's

2:45

a shame that not many people

2:47

know what it is and don't even know that it's

2:49

an amazing tool to not only

2:51

help their own health but their pet's health

2:54

as well . So

2:56

, yeah , I'll give you a little rundown

2:58

as far as how I got into

3:00

it , because I , like you , had

3:03

never heard of it , no idea about it went

3:05

through vet school Like this is not

3:07

something that you learn in vet school or

3:09

medical school and

3:12

I did an externship

3:14

at Florida Wild Veterinary Hospital

3:16

in DeLand , florida

3:18

, when I was a senior

3:21

in vet school and

3:24

they had just brought ozone therapy

3:26

into the practice at that point , so

3:28

they were just sort of like dabbling with it

3:30

. Then you could tell they

3:33

weren't sure either , kind

3:35

of what exactly they were doing

3:38

, but were excited and hopeful that they

3:41

had it and could start using it

3:43

. So I was just the first little

3:45

like , hmm , what , what's this that they're doing

3:47

? Um , and

3:49

they actually had a pretty

3:52

intense case come

3:54

through around that time

3:56

where it was

3:58

a labrador that was getting

4:00

um receiving chemotherapy

4:03

for lymphoma and

4:06

he was on the regimen

4:08

where he was getting doxorubicin

4:10

injections and

4:12

, um , there was an accidental

4:14

extravasation , meaning that

4:16

that solution leaked out of the vein

4:19

and went into the subcutaneous tissue

4:21

of the limb . And

4:23

when that happens it

4:26

is devastating . A lot of the

4:29

times the limb has to be amputated because

4:31

the tissue just necrosis through the

4:33

bone .

4:36

Oh right , Okay , that makes sense .

4:40

Everyone's biggest fear when you're using this

4:43

drug or for chemotherapy . I'm

4:54

assuming it doesn't happen very often so , or do I want to ? Yeah , so whenever vets

4:56

are using this , this chemotherapy , there's lots of precautions

4:58

and and and um kind of protocols to prevent

5:00

it from happening , but still it happens

5:02

sometimes . Um

5:04

, and so

5:06

this dog's leg just was swollen

5:09

and inflamed and like five

5:12

times the size of the other leg

5:14

. Um , and

5:16

the owners were prepared we're going to need

5:18

to amputate this limb , and

5:21

ozone therapy was just brought

5:23

into the practice at that point , and

5:42

so the doctors there just started using it , injecting it around the area that was affected , giving it

5:44

systemically as well , which we can talk about all the different modes using it to clean the

5:46

wound . And in the end the dog did not lose his limb , didn't

5:49

ever need to receive even have a deep

5:51

, a debriding surgery , and

5:54

ended up completely healed with

5:56

a fully functioning limb . So

5:59

that was a bit crazy , and that was

6:01

my first like what the heck is this ? What's

6:03

going on here ? Yeah

6:06

, so , yeah , that was my first little

6:08

introduction to ozone

6:10

therapy , and then

6:12

I finished vet school and

6:14

I actually got offered a job there

6:16

, so I accepted and I

6:19

went straight in to practice

6:21

at Florida Wild once I graduated

6:23

Cool , and

6:25

I started to dabble with ozone as

6:27

well . But I

6:29

wasn't there . I

6:32

just wasn't quite sure as far as

6:34

what am I doing ? How is this

6:36

working ? So I

6:39

wasn't really seeing these amazing

6:41

effects that I was hoping I would see

6:43

and

6:47

I wasn't using it that much cause I was just a new grad , not really

6:49

sure what I was doing . Um , but

6:52

then I had the opportunity

6:54

to go and have a four day in-person

6:57

training with Dr Schallenberger

7:00

, who is he's

7:03

a big , big ozone

7:05

guy , so he is , um , yeah

7:08

, so he's like the ozone

7:11

figure in the United States . Um

7:14

, he is

7:16

a medical doctor , so he's a he's

7:18

a human physician who's been practicing

7:21

ozone therapy , promoting it , doing

7:23

research on it , for

7:25

longer than I've been alive and

7:27

um , and I went and got to

7:29

have personal training with him on

7:32

his protocols , how to do ozone

7:34

therapy . Why is it working ? How is

7:36

it working ? And that's when

7:38

everything changed , because I

7:41

really start to to understand

7:43

, um , understand

7:45

the mechanisms behind it , and

7:47

also got to realize , like

7:49

holy crap , can we be

7:52

doing so much more with our

7:54

pet patients ? Because

7:56

in the human world they're

8:00

doing amazing things with ozone

8:03

therapy . They're doing amazing things with ozone therapy and

8:05

it's just not really made

8:07

its way into veterinary medicine

8:09

that much yet . It

8:13

has , but not that much yet . So learning his

8:15

protocols and what he's doing with his human patients

8:18

made me think like , well , why

8:20

can't we do all that with our pet patients

8:23

, right ? So I pretty much

8:25

took all that training and just kind

8:27

of did a lot of brainstorming

8:29

and calculations on how to modify

8:32

these doses and make it

8:34

so that it's appropriate for our

8:36

patients and species , and

8:39

we applied it and updated

8:41

all of our protocols at Florida wild

8:44

and started seeing like incredible

8:46

results . Um , and

8:49

then it's just kept taking off and

8:52

after years of just using

8:54

it on thousands of patients , um

8:57

, other vets

8:59

are starting to reach out and ask

9:01

for consults . And what are we doing ? And so

9:04

, um , word started to spread

9:06

and people are flying Like

9:09

we literally have clients that drive

9:11

RVs . Fly in like

9:13

people are coming from out

9:15

of state , flying and driving

9:18

for hours to come and

9:20

receive these types of therapies , um

9:22

, for their pets , so , which

9:28

is super cool , but it also makes me a little sad because

9:30

it's like more vets should have this to

9:32

provide to their patients . So

9:36

then that led me to develop

9:38

. Me and my

9:41

business partner , dr Holder , who was

9:43

the owner of Florida Wild , we

9:46

developed Animal Ozone Therapies

9:48

, which is an online

9:51

educational platform that

9:53

provides education to veterinarians

9:56

and protocols on how

9:58

to start ozone therapy , how to bring it into

10:00

your practice and how to use it safely

10:02

and effectively with

10:04

your patients . So

10:07

that's kind of my story

10:09

as far as how I got

10:11

into it , and it's just sort of one of those things

10:13

that happened . I definitely

10:16

didn't go to vet school thinking

10:18

, oh , I can't wait to learn

10:20

about ozone and to

10:29

learn about ozone and treatment , right , like what even is it ? So yeah , so I'm happy to go down

10:31

the road to actually explain what it actually is as well

10:33

. Yeah , right , that's

10:36

great . Okay , so what is ozone

10:38

? What is ozone

10:41

?

10:41

Yeah , when I say it , it still , for whatever reason , makes

10:43

me think of , which is's still for whatever

10:45

reason , makes me think of , which is completely

10:48

unrelated , but it makes me think of , like michael

10:51

jackson in a hypobaric oxygen chamber

10:53

and I don't know , all

10:56

right in the 80s , which is now not

10:58

, not even something someone would blink at now , but

11:00

for whatever reason . That's when someone

11:02

says oh , I don't know if they do have anything

11:04

to do with each other .

11:06

It does actually so

11:10

I like that .

11:10

That's where your brain went . I

11:13

wasn't expecting that , so it wasn't so far off . Yeah

11:16

, we gave him so much crap for that , but

11:18

you know who knew .

11:21

Yeah , I wasn't expecting you to say

11:24

that's where your brain goes when you hear ozone

11:26

, but I like it .

11:27

It's been weighing on my head .

11:30

Because ozone is a type

11:32

of oxygen therapy . Um , first

11:35

of all , it's a lot

11:52

easier to administer

11:55

and to give these treatments

11:57

rather than putting a patient

11:59

in this loud , claustrophobic

12:02

machine where it's

12:04

incredibly scary and stressful and

12:06

they have to sit in there for hours while

12:09

a nurse has to stand there and monitor

12:11

them and make sure they're not

12:15

having alternative like side

12:17

effects and interesting

12:20

, and making sure they're

12:22

doing okay , they're not like

12:25

having respiratory issues . And

12:28

then also it does

12:31

kind of stimulate

12:34

more of a free radical

12:36

response , hyperbaric

12:39

chambers , whereas

12:41

ozone is , I

12:43

guess , a gentler free

12:46

radical stimulation which we

12:48

can talk a little bit about . So

12:51

yeah , so I

12:53

overall think ozone

12:55

is the better route to go , but

12:57

hyperbaric does have a lot of similar

13:00

beneficial effects , though

13:02

at the same time . So

13:09

all right . So ozone is it's literally three oxygen molecules

13:11

that are bound together . So the

13:14

air that we breathe , the oxygen

13:16

in the air that we breathe , those are two oxygen

13:18

atoms bound together . That's

13:20

how oxygen likes to be . It likes to

13:22

be a couple , so

13:25

two together . So

13:27

when three are bound together , they're

13:30

sharing an electron which makes

13:32

that molecule unstable . So

13:35

that molecule doesn't want to be

13:37

three , it wants to be two , so it wants

13:39

to get rid of that third oxygen

13:43

atom , rid

13:51

of that third oxygen atom . So where this is beneficial is

13:53

when it's exposed to what I call

13:55

like a biomolecule . So in , for example , to our blood , the

13:58

surface of a wound , our skin , it's

14:02

gonna immediately donate

14:05

that oxygen to a biomolecule

14:07

to bind to it and

14:10

then a whole cascade of events occur

14:13

after that . So it pretty much will

14:16

stimulate , um

14:18

the like a catabolic

14:20

enzymatic reaction

14:22

within the cells to

14:25

kind of go out a process which

14:27

there's

14:29

just multiple , multiple different

14:32

cascades that it can stimulate . But

14:35

for some of the most common

14:37

things that it does is

14:40

it increases the ATB

14:43

production of mitochondria . So

14:46

what that means is that it increases

14:49

the cell's ability to produce energy

14:51

and that energy is

14:53

incredibly important for immune function

14:55

, for

15:01

body systems , for overall organ function

15:03

and one of the most across the board

15:05

, any chronic disease is shown to have decreased mitochondrial

15:08

function . So being

15:11

able to increase the mitochondrial

15:14

function in these patients can

15:16

automatically be very helpful . Thing

15:27

it's really good at stimulating is increasing the red blood

15:29

cells ability to transport oxygen to areas in need . So

15:32

if there's an area in the body

15:34

that is low in oxygen or

15:36

ischemic , it

15:39

is going to be more drawn

15:42

to that area and want

15:44

to bring more oxygen to that area

15:46

. So it can really be

15:48

incredibly useful

15:50

for cardiac situations

15:53

, kidney disease , pretty much

15:55

any disease

15:58

process where there's a decreased

16:00

oxygen input to an area

16:03

, which also is a really common

16:05

denominator for most chronic

16:08

diseases there's decreased oxygen

16:10

flow in that body system

16:12

or that organ . And

16:16

another cool thing too is it increases the

16:18

elasticity of the red blood

16:20

cells . So those little

16:22

, little tiny , tiny vessels , those tiny

16:24

capillaries um

16:26

, where blood

16:29

will have trouble perfusing

16:31

, in those areas with ozone

16:34

therapy it allows them to be a little bit more

16:36

bouncy and squishy and get through in those

16:38

tiny , tiny areas . So , again

16:40

, increasing oxygen delivery to

16:43

those areas . Because

16:52

they need this might just sound like a silly question , but because

16:54

we need oxygen to heal , right , absolutely . We need oxygen

16:57

to live . Yeah , yes

16:59

, yeah .

16:59

For sure this might be a bit off topic , but

17:01

what causes reduced oxygen

17:04

flow to a certain ?

17:06

area . Yeah , so

17:16

inflammation is going to be like the

17:18

biggest , broadest answer to that decreased function

17:21

of those vessels and

17:23

decreased ability to just

17:25

efficiently get the energy

17:27

and get the oxygen to those that tissue

17:30

, and then they can get stuck

17:32

in a vicious cycle and then that

17:35

the function gets worse and then the oxygen

17:37

levels get worse and then the inflammation then

17:39

gets worse . So pretty

17:42

much chronic disease is just

17:44

any

17:46

patient , pretty much , that walks through the door

17:48

that's over five years old has some degree

17:50

of of chronic disease these days

17:53

, which is a shame , but

17:56

it's just

17:58

they . They get in these vicious cycles and that's

18:00

why we're seeing one of many

18:03

reasons why we're just seeing so

18:05

much cancers and so

18:07

much liver disease and kidney failures and

18:09

autoimmune diseases . They're

18:13

so common and it's something we deal

18:15

with on a regular basis as vets

18:17

. It's just normal . It's normal to deal with this

18:20

on a daily basis . But

18:22

having this

18:24

therapy , Is it pretty accepted that that's

18:26

for a lot of

18:28

veterinarians that that's just what you're

18:30

going to see , oh , yeah , big time

18:33

Like going to vet school you

18:37

learn how to treat

18:39

these diseases , how to diagnose and treat

18:41

all these diseases , how

18:49

to diagnose and treat all these diseases . But I really didn't appreciate

18:51

really truly understanding how to truly prevent most

18:54

of these diseases . So sure , we learn about vaccines

18:56

to prevent getting

18:59

parvovirus and things like that , which

19:01

of course is important , but

19:03

really it

19:05

gets kind of deep and complicated

19:08

and lots of different opinions

19:10

and controversies when it comes to what

19:12

is actually causing all this

19:14

disease in our patients . So

19:17

I sort of started diving down

19:19

that once I graduated yeah

19:23

, and I still am . I mean , there's

19:25

there's so much to learn .

19:28

Sure , I bet , I bet . I

19:31

think I interrupted you when you were talking

19:33

about so

19:36

. So

19:39

what was my next question ?

19:41

I took you off . I think like one of the like

19:43

, I think one of the other things that might be fun

19:47

, serena , for you to explain a bit more too , because people

19:49

are usually like I can't believe that , Like , how does that work ? Is

19:51

the fact that ozone is antiviral

19:53

and antifungal , so like it basically

19:55

is able to support

19:58

the cells of our body in a healthy

20:00

way while also negatively impacting

20:02

things that we don't necessarily

20:04

want to be there .

20:06

Yeah for sure , that's a big one and that's

20:08

pretty much one of the craziest

20:10

things about ozone and what

20:12

makes it so unique as well

20:14

. Because direct

20:17

contact of ozone with any

20:20

pathogens so virus , bacteria

20:23

, protozoa , cancer cells

20:26

, fungi it

20:30

damages their cell wall and literally

20:33

punches holes in their cell wall , resulting

20:36

in death of that pathogen Wow

20:39

. But it

20:41

does not do that to

20:43

complex

20:45

organisms I can't just say mammals

20:48

, because it's helpful for avians and

20:50

reptiles and things like that as well

20:52

, but it's

20:54

beneficial to our cells and their cells

20:56

and

21:00

it's not caustic

21:02

. So , for example

21:05

, like bleach will

21:07

also do those things that a very

21:09

concentrated bleach will also

21:11

kill all those pathogens . But if

21:13

you put that bleach on your skin

21:15

to kill all those pathogens , it's going to kill all

21:17

the cells on your skin as well . So

21:20

that's where ozone is so unique

21:22

, because there's no resistance

21:24

, no

21:28

antibiotic . So the bacteria

21:30

that has antibiotic resistance there's no

21:32

resistance to ozone . There's no pathogen

21:34

out there that can combat

21:37

ozone , that can survive exposure

21:39

to ozone , and

21:41

this is huge

21:43

because antibiotic resistance

21:45

is becoming more and more of

21:48

a huge problem globally

21:50

. Yeah

21:52

, for pets and people . Yeah for sure

21:55

Big time . And veterinarians

21:57

are responsible

21:59

for contributing to that . So

22:03

we need to kind of reel in our antibiotic

22:05

use a bit , and

22:08

this is a great

22:10

way to safely treat bacterial

22:13

infections while not having to use antibiotics

22:15

. So yeah , this is super

22:18

cool . One

22:21

of the crazy cool weird things about ozone

22:23

.

22:24

So how did you have a question , Dr Lindsay ?

22:27

I did . One thing I have wondered

22:29

is the differentiation between , like

22:31

a cancer cell and a healthy

22:34

cell , because then we're still taking , like

22:36

you know , like normal mammalian

22:38

cells , just for the sake of the example . How

22:41

is ozone able to negatively affect the cancer

22:43

but then not negatively

22:46

impact the healthy cells ?

22:47

So cancer

22:49

cells thrive in anaerobic

22:52

environments . So cancer

22:55

cells hate oxygen . They

22:58

do not do well in oxygen-rich

23:00

environments . So when

23:03

we're exposing them to

23:05

these extreme levels of

23:07

oxygen they actually can't survive

23:09

. They can't thrive . They do better

23:12

the less oxygen

23:14

, the more they can grow , the faster

23:16

they can grow . So when

23:18

you saturate them with high

23:20

levels of oxygen it

23:22

takes them down a notch and they can't thrive

23:24

in that environment . So

23:28

yeah , it's

23:30

cool stuff for sure .

23:33

It's super cool stuff . So

23:35

how is it ? How do you get the

23:37

? I mean technical question , but how do you get the

23:41

ozone oxygen therapy

23:43

into the body ?

23:45

Yep , these are all great questions

23:47

.

23:48

And where you want it to go specifically .

23:50

Yeah , yeah , these are great , great questions . All

23:52

right , so you need to get an ozone generator

23:55

. There are a ton

23:57

of companies out there that make

23:59

ozone generators . Um

24:02

, the majority of them are marketed

24:05

for human use

24:07

human patient use and

24:10

like human practitioners but

24:12

there are a couple companies

24:14

that are specifically

24:16

sold and manufactured for

24:19

veterinarians . So

24:21

the two that I'm most familiar with

24:23

is going to be O3 Vets and

24:25

then RegenerO3 is

24:27

a newer one , be

24:33

O3 Vets and then Regener-O3 is a newer

24:35

one . They are specifically producing these machines

24:37

and products for veterinarians . So if you're a vet , you

24:40

get kind of set up with them and

24:42

they'll get you set up with your generator

24:44

and teach you how to use it . So

24:48

once you get that generator , what

24:50

it does is it literally produces

24:53

ozone by having pure

24:55

oxygen . So you have a pure oxygen

24:57

tank set up and then it runs

25:00

through this generator and it

25:02

goes through a certain type of electrical

25:04

force that then has

25:08

these oxygens combine

25:11

into ozone . There's

25:16

different settings so that you can have different

25:18

concentrations , and that's

25:20

where it comes down to importance

25:23

of using concentrations

25:25

appropriately , because

25:27

you don't want to

25:29

. If you use an incredibly concentrated

25:32

form of ozone , it

25:34

is going to be a bit irritating to

25:37

the cells of the

25:39

patient . So you just

25:41

need to use the

25:43

appropriate concentration

25:45

depending on how it's being given . Concentration

25:51

depending on how it's being

25:53

given , and what that means is just the amount of ozone to oxygen . So you're going to

25:55

be using ozone oxygen mixture when

25:57

you're using it and

26:00

then , as far as

26:02

protocols , you

26:04

will need some guidance on and

26:07

kind some guidance on

26:09

which protocols will be appropriate . But

26:12

the most common ways

26:14

to administer ozone is

26:16

going to be major auto-hemotherapy

26:20

is what it's called and this

26:22

is when blood is

26:24

drawn from the patient . It's

26:27

then mixed

26:29

with ozone gas , so it's gently

26:31

, kind of just rocked back and forth

26:33

in a syringe or a bag with

26:36

this gas and only

26:40

needs to be rocked for a minute

26:42

or so and it's , and

26:45

it saturates that blood . So you'll

26:47

literally watch . It's a really cool thing

26:49

to actually see because you'll watch

26:51

this dark , dark , dark blood get

26:53

put in the bag and then , as soon as

26:56

you start mixing it , it starts getting red

26:58

and red and redder and by

27:00

the end it's like neon red

27:03

, like this beautiful

27:05

, bright , thriving red

27:07

. Happy healthy red

27:09

, yeah , cool yeah

27:11

. And then you inject that

27:13

ozonated blood back into

27:15

the patient intravenously . Wow

27:19

, so that's one form . That's a systemic

27:22

way to administer ozone

27:25

. Another systemic way to

27:28

administer ozone is rectal

27:31

insufflation . So

27:34

that consists of

27:36

literally just giving an enema of

27:38

gas up the bum

27:41

. Owners are sometimes when I

27:43

explain to them what it is , they're like

27:45

oh , I don't know about that , but

27:48

it's honestly , it's so easy

27:50

, it's so well tolerated

27:52

, it's the . The patients

27:54

tolerate it so well , like minimal

27:57

to no stress at all . Um

28:00

does not require needles or pokes

28:02

or anything like that . And it's fast

28:04

, it's easy and actually you're

28:07

able to get really nice systemic

28:09

doses in these patients with erectile insufflation

28:12

. So that

28:14

is a big one that I

28:17

highly encourage and push like

28:19

newer ozone users to

28:22

start doing , because it's just the easiest

28:25

and most straightforward way to start helping

28:27

your patients .

28:30

So this is all something that you have to

28:32

do with a veterinarian . This is not something that you would

28:34

do on your own , obviously . So

28:39

, oh , everybody seems a little on the fence

28:41

about this , yeah , so Maybe

28:43

it depends on what the issue is Like . If I

28:45

have a dog with , like , chronic ear infections , is

28:48

that something I can administer to them on

28:50

their own ? I mean , I know I had a topical shampoo

28:53

.

28:53

It's a little bit different , but yeah

28:55

, so so I'll answer

28:57

that in a couple ways . So you're mentioning

29:00

the ear infections . So you can also

29:02

saturate solutions with

29:04

ozone and then use that solution

29:06

as rinses and as cleaners

29:09

. And there's special glass

29:11

beakers that you can have hooked up to

29:13

your machine that whoever you bought your machine

29:15

from can set you up with that

29:18

. But pretty much it's going to

29:20

be distilled water or

29:22

like saline and

29:25

you just run the ozone through a bubbler

29:27

through that and it saturates that solution

29:29

and then you use that solution to

29:31

like clean the ears , for example , and

29:34

do ear rinses if you're having ear

29:37

infection problems . But

29:44

as far as doing ozone at home

29:47

, this is something that pet owners

29:49

absolutely can do . Yep

29:52

, they can administer ozone at

29:54

home to their pets . I

29:57

just am very

29:59

careful about

30:01

making sure that these owners have

30:05

a relationship with a veterinarian

30:07

and guidance from

30:09

a veterinarian who is comfortable and

30:11

familiar with ozone therapy , because

30:15

you can overdo it

30:17

. There are

30:19

things that pet owners can

30:21

accidentally end

30:23

up doing harm rather

30:25

than good if they don't have the proper guidance

30:28

doing harm rather than good if they don't

30:30

have the proper guidance . And for the pet's

30:32

sake , but

30:36

also for ozone therapy's sake , it's just so important that we do this right

30:38

and carefully so that there's no accidental

30:40

kind of mishap that will make

30:42

people have this fear of

30:44

ozone , which is so unnecessary

30:46

. So it's just important

30:48

we have safe protocols

30:51

and guidelines in place , um

30:53

, so that ozone can continue to grow

30:55

, um , and people can continue

30:58

to be comfortable with it and and use

31:00

it more . But , um , yeah

31:03

, um , doing ozone at home is definitely

31:05

something that , um , ozone

31:11

at home is definitely something that I will have my clients do , especially in chronic cases where

31:13

they really need to have it , receive

31:16

it multiple times a week

31:18

.

31:21

Yeah , and just to clarify

31:23

, and , Serena , I'm curious your answer on this

31:25

because I do know a few pet parents

31:27

that had ozone machines before I started working

31:29

with them and , interestingly enough , as

31:31

humans they had been

31:34

dealing with their own Lyme disease issues and it's a really

31:37

, really big modality in the

31:39

Lyme community . So I have

31:41

found at least human wise people that

31:43

have awareness of that are very quick

31:45

to want to implement

31:47

it into the treatment protocols for

31:49

their fur kids . Outside

31:52

of so rectal is usually how

31:54

I have seen pet parents administer it at

31:56

home . Serena , is there anything

31:58

else ? Because , like I just want to make sure people don't

32:00

think that they would ever be doing like the major

32:03

auto chemotherapy at home .

32:04

So they would only be doing

32:06

like blood out and like blood

32:08

and mix it .

32:09

Yeah , so

32:11

it's usually like rectal insufflation , but

32:13

I know I've also seen , like Charlotte , your

32:15

question about ear infections . There's actually

32:17

little ear cones that

32:20

go over so and

32:22

the ozone has to go through a

32:25

oil kind of bubbler to

32:27

be able to convert it to a form

32:29

that's safe if you do inhale it because

32:31

you don't want to be . That's where I think

32:33

a lot of the misconceptions of ozone come from , which

32:35

is one of the things I wanted us to talk about , because people

32:37

hear ozone and they think of like those old air purifiers

32:40

from the 90s or the fact that it's like

32:43

damaging to the lungs

32:45

or to breathing , but it's all just , like

32:47

serena was saying , having awareness of

32:49

how to do it safely and properly

32:51

. So are there other

32:53

like do you have clients ever do

32:55

the ear insufflation like the little ear cones at home

32:57

?

32:57

So typically

33:00

not really Um , there

33:03

are . So I I personally like

33:05

at at um at

33:07

work . I I don't do the ear insufflation

33:10

very often . I

33:13

have a lot of ozone colleagues and

33:15

friends throughout the world who

33:17

use it regularly and love

33:19

it , but I

33:22

typically don't because

33:25

of the oil . So if

33:29

you run it through the oil , it is going to be

33:31

safer because you're not going

33:33

to have that caustic

33:36

effect on the airways , and

33:40

running it through oil just

33:42

is one more extra

33:44

step and one

33:47

more it's just

33:49

it's much more time consuming and

33:51

also you just have to be very careful because

33:53

the oil can heat up and there

33:55

can be backs up and pressures

33:58

and so things

34:00

can go wrong with , like explosions and things like

34:02

that . So if , if

34:05

you really know what you're doing and you know

34:07

how to work this machine and you know it inside and out

34:09

and you understand the science

34:11

behind it and the mechanics

34:14

behind it , then great , like

34:16

go for it . But I'm personally

34:19

very uncomfortable having a client

34:21

running this through an

34:23

oil bubbler at home , um

34:25

, cause I feel like things

34:27

could go wrong , um

34:29

, and then the other thing is you

34:32

don't have to run it through um a

34:34

bubbler If you just use a very

34:36

low volume of ozone

34:38

. You can just fill the canal and kind of

34:40

just hold it off , but it's

34:42

really important that you confirm

34:45

that their eardrum's intact

34:47

and a lot of the times that

34:49

can be hard to confirm and just like a really

34:51

inflamed , painful ear . So

34:54

, um , that's where I

34:56

just go straight to using

34:58

the solutions . Um , it

35:00

seems to be tolerated , the best

35:02

and and and effective . So

35:04

I will have owners like

35:07

bubble their own distilled water

35:09

and use that to rinse the ears . But

35:13

yeah , I know some people use the ear

35:15

cuffs and swear by it , but I kind

35:17

of strayed away from that .

35:21

That sounds too scary for me

35:23

.

35:25

Yeah , I don't mean to scare you .

35:27

Yeah , I don't mean to scare

35:30

you , yeah , so

35:32

when done properly , there are no

35:34

side effects with ozone therapy

35:36

.

35:37

So correct . So

35:40

to kind of sum that up , side

35:44

effects are pretty much rare

35:47

to none . Okay

35:50

, a few situations where

35:53

I recommend not reaching for ozone therapy

35:56

are pretty kind of straightforward

35:58

. If a patient

36:00

is unstable and actively at

36:02

risk of dying for any

36:05

reason , stabilize

36:07

that patient and then think about

36:09

ozone Pretty much straightforward

36:13

. If it's hemorrhaging

36:15

, figure out why it's hemorrhaging

36:17

, stop that and then reach for the ozone

36:19

. Because , believe

36:22

it or not , some people will

36:24

just be like how can ozone fix this

36:26

? Like we can't fix every single

36:28

thing with it . But ozone can

36:30

help with red blood cell regeneration . So

36:33

like it will become beneficial once you

36:35

stabilize and get that patient , um

36:37

, in a stable situation . Um

36:40

, you don't want to breathe it in

36:42

, so , um

36:44

, that's where the

36:46

um , having

36:48

the gas , putting the gas in the ears . Why

36:50

I stray away from that is because

36:53

it'll leak into ambient air

36:55

a bit and your staff will

36:57

breathe it in a little , and the pet will breathe

36:59

it in a little , and a tiny bit is

37:01

fine , you'll smell it and it doesn't smell

37:04

the greatest Um . But once you smell it

37:06

, you'll , you'll know it , um , and if enough is

37:08

breathed in , it will cause bronchospasm . So you smell it , you'll , you'll know it , um , and if enough is breathed

37:10

in , it will cause bronchospasm . So

37:12

you'll just you'll cough , um

37:14

. And if

37:16

you for some reason accidentally inhale

37:19

like a really high potent

37:21

, concentrated dose , yeah

37:23

, that's going to give you a really nasty coughing

37:25

fit , um , but

37:28

the way the

37:31

ozone is handled and and drawn

37:33

up and transported into

37:35

their situations

37:37

, there there's no leakage . So it's

37:40

not normal to to have to breathe

37:42

it in . Like , if you , if you smell it , there's

37:45

a leak somewhere , you find that leak and you

37:47

fix the problem , um , so

37:50

, yeah , so you want to avoid inhaling

37:52

it , um , I

37:54

also advise veterinarians

37:57

to be cautious . If

37:59

you , if they

38:01

have a hyperthyroid cat

38:04

who , um , is

38:06

unmanaged , so

38:08

is their thyroid

38:10

level super high and they're having all

38:12

these symptoms showing that they're going into , like

38:14

, hyperthyroid crisis , you

38:17

want to avoid ozone on those patients because

38:20

hyperthyroidism

38:22

is the metabolism

38:24

and metabolic functions amped up

38:26

, and ozone amps

38:28

up metabolic functions , so it

38:31

can sometimes tip them over the edge . If

38:33

you do ozone on those cats that are

38:35

riding the edge , now

38:38

, it's not contraindicated to do on

38:40

hyperthyroid cats who are managed

38:43

, that is fine . But

38:45

if they're unmanaged and

38:47

in

38:50

a severe kind of hyperthyroid state

38:52

, you want to avoid it in them and

38:56

then let's see . I think the only other

38:58

one I advise using caution is

39:00

using on pregnant animals

39:02

, and

39:05

it's not because bad things

39:07

have ever happened using it on pregnant

39:09

animals , it's

39:12

just that the research

39:14

is a little bit limited right

39:16

now for use

39:18

with pregnancy . So

39:21

I know , like

39:23

the conferences I go to on ozone

39:25

therapy , there are physicians human physicians

39:27

that talk about how they

39:29

use ozone therapy on pregnant women , like

39:32

it's it's used on

39:34

pregnant patients , um

39:36

, but I just say use caution because

39:39

there's just not enough research

39:42

out there to back us up . So if

39:44

, say , it's used on

39:46

a very expensive bitch

39:49

and she for some reason aborts a

39:51

million-dollar litter . For another

39:54

reason , we don't want ozone

39:56

to be blamed for that . We've got to protect this

39:58

therapy . So

40:01

we just want to be cautious with

40:03

that until we have enough data out there that

40:05

supports the safety use in pregnant

40:07

animals . But

40:10

that does also bring me around to that

40:12

. There are thousands of

40:15

research , published studies on

40:17

ozone therapy . This is a well-studied

40:20

therapy . This isn't some brand

40:22

new thing that just

40:25

started being used . There's

40:27

a lot of science , a lot of supportive

40:30

data on um , on

40:32

its use , its efficacy , why it works

40:34

, how it works . Um , there's

40:36

so much more to go , but

40:38

um , we already we we have a lot

40:40

of data to back us up .

40:43

That's great . When did it ? When did it come

40:45

into fashion

40:49

is the wrong word , but when was it essentially

40:52

discovered ? Or how long have people been using

40:55

ozone therapy ?

40:55

Oh boy . I

40:57

don't know if you have the answer to this question . So

41:00

the first medical

41:02

ozone generator was developed

41:04

in the 1800s

41:06

. Wow , yeah

41:08

, so that's when it first

41:11

kind of started and was developed

41:13

and it got into

41:16

like trauma

41:18

units where it was starting

41:20

to be used for wounds

41:23

like soldiers from the

41:25

war it was being used for

41:27

that , and then

41:29

a little bit in dentistry is where

41:32

it started to be used . And

41:34

then antibiotics were

41:36

discovered , um

41:38

, and so ozone kind

41:40

of took a bit of a back burner because antibiotics

41:43

were a bit easier and could be patented

41:45

and put in bottles and shelves and

41:48

sold and distributed Um

41:50

but um

41:52

. But it continued to um

41:54

, grow and um

41:56

. And today there's

41:58

at least 50

42:01

professional medical ozone

42:03

associations and groups throughout

42:05

the world . Um

42:09

, biggest ozone areas

42:11

are Cuba , Europe

42:14

, Russia , South

42:17

America .

42:21

Yeah , those are the so everywhere , but

42:23

here essentially , yeah , it's

42:25

another one of those things that's been around for quite

42:27

some time .

42:52

In Europe . Yeah , but not's another one of those things that's been around for quite some time in Europe

42:54

, but not here patients . So most ERs , most physicians , have ozone generators and use it as part of their

42:56

treatment modalities . It's not considered an alternative or an integrative as part of their mainstay

42:58

treatments . And

43:01

pretty much and ozone

43:03

is used a lot in the US as well

43:05

. But one of the reasons why it's

43:08

not used as much here

43:10

as it is in those areas is

43:13

because insurance doesn't cover it and

43:17

pretty much it doesn't cover it because it's

43:20

not FDA approved , because

43:22

it can't be patented Like you

43:24

can't patent a molecule Like you

43:28

can't , you can't patent a molecule so Interesting , yeah , so therefore

43:30

, insurance won't cover it . So

43:37

all the humans that

43:39

receive ozone therapy

43:42

here in the States it's all out of pocket . But

43:50

in vet med most I mean . I know there are some insurances and that people

43:52

will get insurances on their pets and it's great , but a lot of people don't and they

43:54

pay out of pocket for their pet's health care . Yeah , so

43:56

I do find it's , I

43:59

guess , a little bit easier

44:01

to have a client

44:04

pay for ozone for their pet

44:06

than it is to kind of have them pay

44:09

for it for their own health care for some reason

44:11

, I think we found

44:13

that in this podcast across the board for

44:15

so many things .

44:16

It's so much easier to like . I

44:19

mean , I could say that for myself . I said before my dog

44:21

gets a host of supplements and

44:23

I can barely remember to take my vitamin

44:25

D on my own , but he gets it all . I

44:27

don't forget his ever . Yeah .

44:29

Yeah , I think that is incredibly

44:31

common Um we're all guilty

44:34

of it , and our staff too

44:36

. At work they always admit um

44:39

, we have , we . We go above and beyond

44:41

for our pets and sort of forget about ourselves

44:43

sometimes . But we got to

44:45

remember to take care of ourselves too . But

44:47

yeah , I'm incredibly guilty

44:49

of that as well .

44:51

Yeah dr

44:55

lindy , did you have any more questions

44:57

? I'm sure you did I do

44:59

.

44:59

Um , so I one of

45:01

the big questions I had . So , similar

45:04

to you , serena , I got into

45:06

ozone a few years ago , nowhere

45:08

near the depths that you have , so I

45:10

have been utilizing it myself and I have seen

45:12

amazing results . And one thing , just so that

45:14

people understand how easy rectal

45:17

insufflation is I have two

45:19

cats that I treat at home , that I give

45:21

rectal insufflation to on a regular

45:23

basis , and they barely

45:26

even notice . We give them a little lickable

45:28

treat . They lick it . It's I

45:30

almost think it's easier , for whatever reason , than having

45:32

their temperature taken , and I cannot tell you exactly

45:34

why , but there's , they react

45:37

more to temperatures being taken than that . So just

45:39

for anyone that thinks , like my , my pet

45:41

would never accept that you'd

45:44

be surprised . But one

45:46

question I did have was with the

45:48

frequency . So when I was

45:50

first getting into it , I know that I had a veterinarian

45:52

tell me you need to

45:54

be giving antioxidants every time you

45:56

do an ozone treatment . So

45:59

just , I think there's some probably misconceptions

46:02

that are floating around . So I was curious

46:04

to get your opinion on that . Like , how

46:06

frequently can we use it in chronic cases

46:08

? Do we need to be giving anything

46:10

to combat the free radicals that are

46:12

being formed , kind

46:15

of any sage advice you have for

46:17

those of us that are just starting to get into it

46:19

.

46:19

So that is interesting . So giving

46:21

an antioxidant if you're using ozone

46:23

, so I don't

46:25

. I like antioxidants , so

46:28

I don't think that's a bad idea . Like

46:30

supplements and diet

46:33

, it's so important in

46:35

the just the holistic

46:37

approach of helping our pets

46:39

. But

46:42

is it like something

46:44

that is you have to

46:46

have if you're doing ozone therapy

46:49

? I'd go with no . But can

46:52

it be a helpful additional tool ? Yes

46:55

, absolutely . But the important

46:57

thing is that , um , so

47:01

giving the antioxidants , you

47:05

actually want to stop giving

47:07

them for a couple days before

47:09

you do the ozone , because if

47:11

their systems are floating

47:14

around a ton of antioxidants , it's going to

47:16

cancel out that ozone . So

47:18

it's not going to hurt the patient that it's there

47:20

, but the patient's just going to get a much lower

47:23

dose than what you actually administered

47:25

Because all those antioxidants are

47:27

just going to cancel it out . So

47:30

if your patient is receiving

47:32

a bunch of antioxidants as

47:34

part of their protocol and supplements

47:37

, it's best to hold

47:39

off on them for a couple days I

47:41

mean at least 24 hours , I would say

47:44

before administering

47:47

the ozone , and then you can start it right

47:49

up immediately after giving the

47:51

ozone . But

47:53

one of the really cool things

47:55

about ozone is that , yes

47:59

, it's a free radical , but

48:01

it is the gentlest

48:03

of the free radicals and

48:15

pretty much what it's doing is it's actually stimulating the body's

48:17

natural ability to produce its own antioxidants . So it's actually

48:19

kind of correcting and fixing

48:21

the immune system and the body's own

48:23

protective mechanisms . So

48:32

if you are giving ozone regularly low-dose ozone on a regular basis , like your cats

48:34

, they're systems being trained to amp

48:36

up their own antioxidant production

48:38

. So they really shouldn't need

48:40

antioxidants after they receive

48:43

ozone for a period of time

48:45

, because their body is already creating it .

48:51

Well , that's awesome . And then in those chronic cases

48:54

like inflammatory bowel disease or , you

48:56

know , pancreatitis or what have you , I

48:59

mean , can we be giving let's

49:01

like rectal insufflation twice a week

49:03

, ongoing Like is there ? Because I know there's

49:05

probably a point at which even something that's like rectal

49:07

insufflation twice a week , ongoing Like is there , because I know there's probably a point at which

49:09

even something that's incredibly helpful can cross over to maybe having some detrimental

49:11

side effects . Is it on a per patient

49:14

basis or frequency of administration

49:16

?

49:16

For sure . So everything

49:19

, when it comes down to it , I always

49:21

say every patient is their own individual and

49:24

we will . We will approach this patient as their own individual and we will . We will approach

49:26

this patient as their own and modify

49:28

the plan as we go to be

49:30

the best for this specific patient . But

49:32

in the the overrun

49:35

um , if they have a chronic

49:37

disease that they will have the rest

49:40

of their life um doing

49:43

, I put them on maintenance plans

49:45

. So I'll hit them with

49:47

higher dose , frequent ozone

49:50

to get them out of that like

49:52

crisis vicious cycle

49:54

mode and then , once we have that

49:56

managed and we're good and we're like

49:59

in a good , smooth maintenance phase

50:02

, I'll put them on maintenance

50:04

to kind of keep them there and

50:06

then if for some reason they fall out and

50:08

they start to go back down that spiral

50:11

, then I'll amp them up and do higher

50:13

dose more frequently and then wean

50:16

them down to a maintenance . So

50:18

when I say maintenance , a

50:21

lot of the times I can get away with

50:23

every other week rectal

50:25

insufflation . I

50:28

have a lot of patients that come in

50:30

just once a month for their maintenance

50:32

. Some just

50:34

need to have once a week , twice

50:39

a week is fine as

50:41

well If we're doing like five

50:43

days a week , then we

50:46

just need to give . We need to give them a break . So

50:49

if we do it that often

50:51

, the mucosa and the

50:53

rectum's just gonna get a bit irritated

50:56

. We need to give the mucosa a chance

50:58

to kind of regenerate

51:00

and heal and not be kind

51:03

of irritated

51:06

that often . If

51:09

yeah , so if you do it that frequently , it can be a

51:11

little caustic to that mucosa . So

51:14

, yeah , every patient has their own

51:16

maintenance plan that I

51:19

developed for them based on how

51:21

they respond and how they tell us they

51:23

need it .

51:23

So how they respond and

51:29

how they tell us they need it . And

51:35

then this is really specific . But I think two of the issues

51:37

that I've seen a lot of animals have where it is hard to give them a good treatment

51:39

option I know a lot of , you know pet parents get

51:41

frustrated by our penovasculitis

51:45

and then like unclassified alopecia

51:47

. So for the pet parents out there , like for the little

51:49

chihuahuas or , you know , minpins

51:52

that have a loss of hair just

51:54

on the edge of their ears because I know that's really concerning

51:56

and there's not necessarily the you

51:59

know the best treatment options out there like even

52:01

when I send them to dermatologists , sometimes

52:03

we'll get them stabilized where they are , but

52:05

we very rarely get any hair regrowth

52:08

. And then the same is true like alopecia , is them

52:10

just losing hair . So a

52:12

lot of Pomeranians people will see well , they'll have hair

52:15

on their legs and on their head and their body

52:17

is , you know , bald

52:19

or balding . Have you

52:21

used ozone in any of those cases ? When you were talking

52:23

about , like , how well the red blood cells

52:25

get to all of those areas of capillaries , the first

52:28

thing I thought of was the penovasculitis

52:30

and I was just curious .

52:31

That is . That is very interesting

52:33

. So no , I really

52:35

haven't um with these alopecia

52:38

cases . Um , it's

52:41

I find that everyone

52:43

I've dealt with or most of them are are cosmetic

52:46

, like it's not a health issue at all

52:48

for them , like it's not causing them pain , discomfort

52:50

, like there's really no issue . They

52:53

just look funny . So yeah

52:56

. So I typically my owners are

52:58

just like is this really hurting

53:00

them ? Like do we really have to do things

53:02

to fix this , because they could care less

53:04

that they have these bald spots . So

53:07

I really haven't had any owners that are like

53:09

I need this fixed . But that

53:11

is interesting . So if you have

53:14

those owners , do

53:16

some ozone and let me know because you got to

53:18

write that paper up if that works

53:20

, because I haven't heard of

53:22

anyone using it on those cases before

53:24

. That'll

53:26

be cool .

53:28

I will . Yeah , I'll definitely keep that in mind

53:30

. I would love to see more . So

53:34

I guess this is kind of a question branching out beyond pet parents

53:36

. But like , how do we help some of our more conventional colleagues

53:39

, like oncologists and dermatologists

53:41

and internal medicine specialists , start

53:44

to incorporate this when there

53:46

is so much scientific literature ? Because I feel

53:48

like what I hear from a lot of people that are conventionally

53:50

trained is there's not enough science

53:52

for me to start integrating blank in

53:54

. Like we face that a lot with cannabis

53:57

, but I don't think that that applies

53:59

to ozone . There's so much science

54:01

For sure . So , like , is there anything

54:03

that ?

54:04

we can do . There's so much science For sure . So , like , is there anything that we can do ? Yeah , so I'm

54:06

glad you asked this , because this

54:08

has been my kind of thing too

54:10

. I'm like why , why aren't we using

54:12

this ? Why aren't we being taught this in vet school ? Why

54:18

doesn't every veterinarian

54:21

have an ozone machine in their clinic

54:23

? So

54:25

what ? And others are

54:27

asking that question as well . So

54:35

there are a few like colleagues and ozone friends mostly , who I hooked up with and and met with at

54:37

the holistic conference . So where we met and

54:41

there they have that same question

54:44

and dilemma as well , and they have that

54:46

same question and dilemma as well . So

54:52

I know Jill Rubin . She's

54:54

one of the ones . She owns Regenero3 , one of the companies

54:56

. She

55:04

has been talking with UC Davis on trying to get in there and start to

55:06

introduce ozone therapy into even their curriculum a

55:08

little bit . And that's where I think the

55:10

game changer will be . Vets

55:12

aren't open to it because we're not taught

55:14

it in vet school . So therefore it must not be

55:16

like validated and real . So

55:19

I think if we can get into some universities

55:22

, that's when it's going

55:24

to be more accepted . Um cause , if

55:26

the universities back it up and accept

55:28

it , then then everyone else will . They won't

55:30

be as scared , they won't be as skeptical

55:32

because , um , cause

55:35

, the universities accept it and that's when

55:37

we learn from and they're respectable

55:39

sources , which is true . So

55:41

if we , if we can get

55:44

into universities , that's , that's , I

55:46

think , going to be the game changer . So

55:48

, yeah

55:50

, so I'm hoping to

55:52

try and just even do some , just some

55:55

talks at like . I know a lot of universities

55:58

have integrative clubs and

56:00

even though , like it's a little bit

56:02

of a pet peeve of mine to call this an integrative

56:04

therapy , because like it really

56:07

shouldn't be , but that's

56:09

where we're gonna get in because , um

56:12

, because it's not accepted yet as a , as

56:14

a mainstay therapy , um

56:16

. So may I ask ?

56:18

is integrative . The same thing as like if someone

56:20

said it was a complementary therapy yeah

56:22

, for sure so we're saying that this is not just

56:24

complementary , this is a tried and

56:26

true therapy .

56:27

Yeah , correct . Yeah , I mean I'd

56:29

like for it to be more accepted

56:32

as a

56:34

mainstay , but it is a complementary

56:37

. It is because it does

56:39

make your drugs work better . It does reduce

56:41

side effects of your drugs . You use it

56:43

with your mainstay treatments . It does

56:45

reduce side effects of your drugs . You use it with your mainstay treatments . But I know a lot

56:47

of traditional Western trained

56:50

vets are very put off

56:52

by the word like integrative , complementary

56:54

. So

57:09

I try to be careful about throwing those terms out when

57:11

I'm trying to talk to the traditionally trained vets because , um , I'm

57:13

hoping this kind of comes across as a studied validated

57:15

proven scientific source of or mode of treatment

57:18

. Um , yeah

57:20

, and I really think once , once the universities

57:22

accept it , then then we're

57:24

going to be golden . Before we know it , everyone's

57:27

going to have ozone generators . We'll

57:30

see .

57:33

That's great . And then for pet parents that are looking

57:35

you know if they're a veterinarian , because

57:37

most of the time their veterinarians will not be offering

57:39

this how do you recommend that they

57:41

find practitioners near them that

57:44

may be offering this , if they are having

57:46

chronic health issues that they're trying to sign up ?

57:48

for .

57:49

Yeah , that is a great question

57:51

.

57:51

So it's a little bit tough . So

57:54

, honestly , doing a Google search and literally

57:56

typing in ozone vet , you

58:00

can sometimes come up with personal

58:03

websites of vets

58:05

that have that as a modality . Another

58:08

resource is O3

58:11

. Vets is the company that

58:13

sells to a lot of veterinarians

58:15

who do ozone in

58:17

the States , so they have like

58:19

a list of the people who

58:21

have purchased their machines and you could

58:24

maybe get connected through that Um

58:27

. So it's

58:29

out there like more

58:32

and more and more vets are are using

58:34

it . Um , but

58:36

some areas it's . It's

58:38

going to be tough to find a vet

58:40

. That's that's close . So I

58:42

would be prepared to maybe

58:45

have to travel to at least just

58:47

get established with that vet

58:50

and then , once you're established , they

58:52

can maybe set up protocols for

58:54

you to do at home . And then I

58:56

always recommend doing follow-ups

58:59

. It doesn't have to be like every week

59:01

, but it's important to

59:03

touch base and update the protocols

59:05

and not just stick with one thing

59:07

long-term for the rest of their life , because

59:09

we change and

59:12

so we just have to adapt

59:14

our therapies as the patient

59:17

adapts .

59:19

I think the shampoo that we were

59:21

using is O3 . Is that what

59:23

you said ? It is yeah .

59:25

Yeah , it's .

59:25

O3 . You can just get that on Amazon if

59:27

anyone's looking for a shampoo ozone

59:30

therapy shampoo for their pup to help

59:32

with some skin stuff .

59:33

Yeah , there's also oils and

59:36

topicals too , so like ointments

59:38

that you can get

59:40

online as well

59:42

. Can you use those for like hot spots ? Exactly , yeah

59:44

.

59:47

I have a guy who just keeps getting these

59:49

chronic hot spots and I

59:51

didn't think of that , I did not think of ozone . So I

59:53

am going to go look for that right

59:55

now , after we get off this conversation

59:58

, because I want to make it

1:00:00

. We need to get to the root cause of why you keep getting these

1:00:02

hot spots , which is a whole other thing

1:00:04

. But , yeah , good

1:00:10

, interesting , okay , good , all right , you guys , well , anything

1:00:12

else that you want to add ?

1:00:13

No , that was great . Thank you so much .

1:00:15

Yeah , thank you for inviting

1:00:17

me to talk about it . I'm excited

1:00:20

that people are becoming more interested

1:00:22

and that the word is being spread

1:00:25

, so we just need more and more people talking

1:00:27

about it , and so

1:00:29

the word goes around that there's

1:00:32

this cool thing called ozone out there

1:00:34

.

1:00:37

All

1:00:40

right , dr Lindy , dr Serena

1:00:42

, thank you so much , Absolutely

1:00:45

.

1:00:45

Thank you .