0:00

On the Bell Cast, the questions asked

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if movies have women in um, are

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all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands

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or do they have individualism? The

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patriarchy? Zef in best

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start changing it with the bec Del cast.

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Hey everyone, Hey, it's us, It is

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us. You're about to hear a live

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episode that we recorded in Los

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Angeles at the Ruby, Yeah,

0:24

with the fabulous Danielle Perez

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about the movie Romy and Michell's High School

0:29

Reunion, a movie I've never seen. Yeah,

0:31

But before we get to that, we're just going to plug

0:34

a few things at the top of the show, if that's all

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right with ye. Are first

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and foremost our next live

0:42

show in l A. Is because

0:45

we are joining up with the Daily

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Zeitgeist. So we'll

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be with Jack and Miles, and it's

0:51

a themed show where

0:54

all of us will be talking about the

0:56

year. There's

0:59

no shortage of garbage,

1:02

lots of materials. Why two

1:04

k remember it? Yeah? Remember

1:07

because twentieth century was the century

1:09

of women right there?

1:11

Really well, that century, very good, very good. Yeah,

1:14

So check out that show. It's on

1:16

March nine, two, nineteen

1:19

twenty years later, at that

1:21

Dynasty Typewriter. For tickets,

1:24

go to back toecast dot com,

1:26

click on live appearances and grab

1:28

those tickets. Colt anything else gonna play?

1:30

Yeah, I have a screenwriting

1:33

class I'm teaching at the Ruby, a normal

1:36

spot. Thank you so much. I do have a master's degree

1:38

in screenwritting from Boston University,

1:40

but I don't like to mention it as

1:43

you know. So that starts on

1:45

March tenth. It's Sundays for

1:47

four weeks. So if you want to learn about

1:50

screenwriting, maybe you want to write a movie

1:52

with a strong female protagonist,

1:55

you can learn how to do that at my class.

1:57

Or maybe you don't and then Caitlyn can discmpline

1:59

you at her class. Yeah

2:02

to to sign up for that, you can

2:04

go to my website Caitlin Toronto dot

2:06

com, click on shows and the

2:08

registration link will be there. Let

2:10

me say, yeah, yeah, what do you want to plug? Jamie,

2:12

I'm gonna be doing a weekend of

2:15

stand up comedy. Ever heard of it in

2:17

Indiana? I ever heard of it? Wow in

2:20

uh smack in the middle of March. If you're

2:22

in Indiana, I love to see you. Will

2:24

be in Indianapolis on the

2:26

fifteen at Black Circle, Indie

2:29

and on March sixteenth, I'll be at the

2:31

Tiger Room in Fort Wayne. The

2:33

way you can get tickets is google

2:35

it. Okay, great, yeah, yeah,

2:38

but hope to see you there. I hope to see you

2:41

there. So that's all we got

2:43

to plug for right now. Enjoy the

2:45

episode. Yeah, enjoy cast.

2:48

Hi, what's up? Welcome to the show. Welcome,

2:51

Welcome, Welcome. This

2:53

is the Bathtubcast. Yeah,

2:58

well, welcome to the back tell cast. As

3:01

you know. Well, I guess we'll do our our live

3:04

survey, so clap

3:06

it up. If you have heard the

3:09

show before the Bechtel cast

3:10

on. Alright, oh,

3:13

I see some some wide eyes.

3:15

Okay, clap If you have not heard the show

3:17

before, Okay,

3:20

I did see the couple all right, okay,

3:23

cool, thanks to humming with your friend.

3:25

We're not scary, promise.

3:29

Uh. Well, welcome. If you've never heard

3:31

the show before, I suppose we should just give you a quick

3:33

primer. We talk

3:36

about the portrayal of women

3:38

in movies and how generally

3:40

it's very bad. UM,

3:43

and we use the Bechtel test as

3:45

dumping off point. We use it to initiate

3:48

a larger conversation about representation

3:50

and if you're not familiar, UM

3:53

for you know the people listening at

3:55

home who were just tuning into the

3:57

Roman Michelle episode as their first

3:59

step flips. You have

4:01

to click on it, you say, you know what they got, and

4:05

for those of you in the audience, you might not know. The Bechtel

4:07

test is a media tests that you generally

4:09

apply to movies, and it requires that there

4:11

are two named, female

4:14

identifying characters who speak

4:16

to each other and their conversation cannot

4:18

be about a man. Sounds like an

4:20

easy metric, doesn't it. Well,

4:23

guess what, most people fuck

4:26

it up because men make most of the movies

4:28

boo and

4:31

they I do think that. I do think

4:33

that, of course, the number one reason that

4:36

movies don't pass the Bactel test is good

4:38

old fashioned misogyny.

4:40

But I think that there is a level below that,

4:43

just below that, where it's like men who

4:45

are like I could write a female character, but

4:47

I don't know how to talk to girls. How

4:50

would I know how girls talk to each other? Better

4:52

make them guys? Yeah,

4:55

which is worse than misogyny.

4:58

I thinkwards that there's a branch

5:00

of misogyny. Yeah.

5:03

Cool, Well that's the show. Thanks

5:06

for waiting, That was worth it.

5:09

I'm wearing my Crocs today. You

5:12

look great. Listen. I

5:15

was fishing for a compliment, but I wanted to

5:17

give some quick background on my Crocs place. Agusto.

5:21

I went on a

5:23

very cursed brief

5:26

vacation with my mom in

5:28

Florida in our cursed time

5:30

share where my family has

5:32

been paying like six dollars a month for

5:34

nine years on a time

5:37

share that allows us to go to Florida

5:39

in the winter once every three years for five

5:41

days. And we

5:43

went and my mom and I did not do anything

5:46

except go to the Crocs outlet,

5:49

and my mom made deep

5:52

spiritual bonds with each and every one of

5:54

the employees.

5:58

Thank you. Now, this has just turned into a braw Yeah,

6:00

emotionally available, my mom is. But we

6:03

both got matching crocs, and sometimes

6:06

we talk about like are you wearing the Crocs today?

6:08

And today she was wearing the Crocs, so wearing the crocs

6:12

women. Wow, I

6:16

don't have any such mom story. So

6:19

I'll text your mom and be like, can

6:21

I mail you some Crocs to

6:24

really improve your relationship. That's

6:26

already good. Yeah, shout

6:28

out to our mothers, all of our mothers

6:31

or you know, all

6:35

right, we're off to a great start.

6:38

The show. Everyone loves us. Um,

6:41

we're doing really well. We had to thaw

6:44

our cold audience the week. Yeah, shall

6:47

we bring out our guests? Oh my gosh,

6:50

you remember her from our hocus Pocus

6:53

episode. I ever heard of it. She's

6:55

a hilarious comedian. Please

6:57

welcome Danielle Perez. Hi,

7:06

welcome back, come back. Thank

7:08

you for having me. Of course this

7:10

is exciting. Yeah, we're so excited

7:13

for you to be here. I'm sad that I don't

7:15

have crocs there. That's

7:18

when I feel like this is such a leisurely

7:20

look. It's like velvet, but

7:23

make it house with

7:26

the crocs. That's honestly why I felt

7:28

they need to address it. It's like the disparity

7:31

between the velvet and the crocs

7:33

is so vast that the

7:36

movie we're discussing today is

7:38

and I keep wanting to say, for some reason, Romeo

7:40

Michelle's summer vacation. That's not what it's

7:42

called, correct, called Romeo Michelle's

7:45

high school reunion, which is the

7:47

same number of syllables. Almost there

7:49

should be a summer vacation. Romeo

7:51

and Michelle moved a yeah,

7:55

a franchise. Well, there was a sequel, but

7:57

we don't need to talk about that. See,

8:00

these are a movie. It's a movie.

8:02

It was a movie. It far

8:05

under my radar. This was

8:07

I mean the movie came out in ninety seven, so I think

8:09

this was like two thousand's Katherine Higl

8:11

Like, this is like before Grays. Okay,

8:14

it was like a maid for TV movie. Oh

8:16

that's why I don't know about it. Okay,

8:23

weird. I

8:26

grew up without cable, so I've never seen a

8:28

single television show in my entire life.

8:31

I am to TV, Jamie what you are

8:33

to movies. That is true. Yeah,

8:36

I know a bad television Okay. So

8:38

we're talking about romy and Michelle's high school

8:40

reunion. Yes, clap if you heard of it. Yeah,

8:45

clap if you've never seen it. Hell

8:48

yeah, right with people who never

8:51

heard

8:55

the same people who have not heard our show before

8:57

also have not seen the movies. But we're

9:00

so sorry. Who turn you hostage?

9:03

If you're okay? There's

9:06

always one stray at every live show. I

9:08

simply love it there.

9:10

Yeah, Danielle, what is your history with

9:12

the movie. My history with the movie. I'm

9:15

obsessed with the movie. I love the movie.

9:17

I saw it when it first came out in

9:21

seven in the theaters with

9:23

my mom and her

9:25

best friend and her

9:27

best friend's daughter who was kind of like my du facto

9:29

best friend. H. But

9:32

I was like, yeah, I was like twelve and

9:34

I saw this movie and I was so

9:36

in love with it. That's like, that sounds

9:39

like the perfect circumstances to see

9:41

this movie. It was great. That's

9:43

amazing. Yeah, because like I don't, like,

9:45

I never watched Friends. I don't care

9:48

about that was the one show I

9:50

have seen. I've seen Friends, of

9:52

course, you have, Caitlin. Caitlin

9:55

would watch Friends on Netflix. Excuse

9:58

me, I probably

10:01

would. I did the worst thing with Friends, which

10:03

is that I never watched it. But I

10:05

was like eleven or twelve and it ended,

10:07

and I taped the last episode. I watched

10:09

it over and over as if I was very

10:11

attached to it because

10:13

I was conditioning myself to be an absolute

10:16

fraud sure from a very young age.

10:19

Beautiful, So, Daniel, this is one of your favorite

10:21

movies. It's absolutely one of my favorite. I

10:23

love it so much. Beautiful, Yeah,

10:27

what about you. I saw it a few times

10:29

in high school, I think, or maybe

10:31

I was like in junior high. I don't know. I saw

10:33

it like shortly after it came out, not quite

10:35

right away, but somewhere in the early two thousand's,

10:38

and I remember liking it a lot of the

10:40

time, but I didn't really revisit it

10:43

after that, which was a mistake because

10:45

it's a fun, silly movie that I really

10:47

enjoy. The dance scene with Alan

10:49

Cumming at the end of Oh my God, I

10:53

learned that dance. I mean sister

10:56

and my mom's best friend's daughter.

10:58

It was like my de factor best friend. I made her

11:01

learn that it's so rude. I

11:03

keep saying that about her. It's

11:05

such a thing though, because she's not like

11:07

at the time but not anymore.

11:10

And it wasn't like we're ex best friends,

11:13

but it was like circumstance. We

11:15

were twelve. Yeah, my

11:17

de facto best friend and I ended up

11:19

gaslighting ourselves into being like, no, we're

11:22

friends, and we're friends to this day. I

11:24

saw this movie this morning. Wait,

11:27

you've never seen this movie. I've never

11:30

no, no, And it seems like for I

11:32

mean it on every level, seems like a movie

11:34

I was I would really love. And

11:37

one of the few entries in Alan

11:39

Cummings, you know, like entire body

11:41

of work that I haven't seen because I am an Alan

11:43

Cummings stand girl ever

11:46

seen I've never seen this, and

11:48

so this movie really delivered to me on a

11:50

lot of levels. Alan Cumming is

11:52

like in this movie, he's

11:55

in it. It's I watched earlier

11:57

today because I haven't seen it in years. But I realized,

12:00

I'm like, oh, I feel like so much

12:02

of my humor and like my love

12:04

of like weird art theater people,

12:08

you know, like Janine Gross, Like it's so nineties.

12:11

But it was like I was aware of those things.

12:13

Like it made me feel grown up, and

12:15

I feel like I learned

12:18

a lot of stuff just like stuck in my brain

12:20

that didn't come out till later from this movie.

12:23

This is an iconic movie. I mean,

12:25

it's for for all

12:27

of its faults that will spend the next

12:30

rest of the show unpacking it

12:33

is. It is, like I'll

12:35

say, right at the top, relief

12:38

and weirdly progressive to see

12:41

female protagonists in a movie who are absolutely

12:44

mediocre, because

12:47

there's such a merry sue, like

12:49

if a woman's in a movie and she's

12:52

the main person in the movie, she must be perfect

12:54

in every way, she must be unkillable,

12:56

she must have a specific set of skills,

12:58

but not ballyam niece and and like

13:02

she has to be perfect. And so to see like two

13:04

female like kind of like idiots

13:07

be and I don't know. I was like, that's

13:09

cool. You don't see that. I'm firing. Yeah,

13:11

we're almost every comedy

13:14

is led by a mediocre man. Like, I

13:18

just appreciate mediocre female

13:20

representation. That's what equality

13:22

is exactly, yeah, yeah, exactly,

13:24

It's what did give me a mediocre everything.

13:27

It's grant a loud. Shall

13:30

they do the recap? Okay?

13:33

Cat? Well, first of all, the

13:35

opening scene, We've got Romie, We've

13:37

got Michelle. They are in their

13:39

beds that are side by side. They

13:41

are making fun of a movie. So it's

13:43

like they're us pretty much there Jamie

13:45

and I. It's pretty

13:47

I said, Gil and I are usually in the same

13:50

same bed. Michelle has a

13:52

cat. There's a cat present. It is it's

13:54

us. Michelle used to have a back brace. But

13:57

I know, oh my god, we'll get to the back brace

13:59

represented. I was, I really, I

14:01

didn't know she had a back brace in this movie. And I thought

14:03

that it was only Deany who had ever

14:06

had a back brace. That horrendous Judy

14:08

Bloom book that makes me sick to think about.

14:11

Um Hi brack bace girl back

14:16

braces make you cool is

14:19

the thing. But they're basically recording

14:21

a Matron episode except minus

14:24

the recording part of the Yeah, they're

14:27

saying some pretty regressive

14:29

things about it's kind

14:31

of there, but yeah,

14:34

so they're basically that's true. She gets

14:36

really happy when they finally let her shop,

14:39

shows a lot of empathy, but before

14:41

that she's like, yeah, those shop

14:43

girls are horrors too, and

14:46

it's like, hey, yikes, watch

14:49

there's a lot of stuff going on. Anyway,

14:53

So they're they're best friends, romy and Michelle um

14:56

together for ten years. They Venice

14:58

Speech, California. Only

15:00

one of them is part time employed, supporting

15:05

both of them very

15:07

brick huge apartment. I

15:12

mean, I know this is the nineties of Venus Speech isn't what

15:14

it is right now, but but

15:17

the finances of this movie are baffling.

15:20

Right. So one

15:23

day, when Romi is at work,

15:25

she runs into Heather Mooney, that's

15:27

Jennine Garffalo's character, who is

15:30

just this week softly

15:32

canceled. Yeah, she was defending

15:34

Luisi k pretty vehemently and

15:37

literally quote leave Louis

15:40

k alone unquote, which is a

15:42

wild stance to take at this point in time.

15:45

But you know, maybe by the time who knows

15:47

a soft cancel. At the time this recording,

15:50

she's made some missteps, but who knows,

15:52

maybe she'll redeem herself anyway.

15:54

So probably, I don't know, anything

15:58

can happen, all your

16:00

faves wrong, Alfred Malina can be on the

16:02

podcast anything can happen? Well,

16:05

the one uncancellable man, Thank

16:07

god, we will never need to call back to this

16:09

clip because he'll never do anything wrong. So

16:15

she runs into heather Mooney and they went to high

16:17

school together, and Heathery's all like, oh, you're going to the high

16:19

school reunion and she's like, what, we didn't

16:21

get an invitation, which does not get explored

16:24

any further than that. Well, so much of

16:26

this movie would not happen if there were

16:28

any semblance of social media, So we sort

16:30

of just have to like, if there were Facebook,

16:32

everyone would know what the people are doing, and

16:35

there's almost no need to go to a high school reunion.

16:37

And I feel like that's probably why a lot of people don't, because

16:39

they're like, oh, these people are doing better

16:41

than me. Let me remove myself,

16:44

right yeah, the high school reunions

16:46

like built up to be this really huge thing

16:49

that I don't know if it is anymore.

16:51

I don't I didn't go to I mean it was like

16:53

like ROMI having that cell phone was

16:56

like such a big move and

16:58

showing up with a with a flip h

17:03

Yeah. So and then Heather wants

17:06

to know if Michelle married

17:08

Sandy Frank that's Alan. I'm

17:12

sure I

17:14

could not get through this movie without saying

17:17

every lie,

17:19

annoying my friends with that very

17:22

habit. Yes, I wanted

17:24

to just take a survey of

17:26

the room to see do the teenage

17:29

age people look older in

17:32

this movie or what hot American

17:34

summer? It was neck and

17:37

neck for thirty five year old people playing

17:39

sixteen year olds, Alan coming

17:41

being like, no, I'm sixteen when

17:45

Alan coming and he's in a terrific actor

17:47

but you can see the fear in his eyes as he tries

17:50

to play a teenager. He

17:53

is soft forty.

17:56

But then you've got justin Throw, who

17:58

I forgot was in this movie looking sunk.

18:02

Oh my god, be fair, mostly concealed

18:04

by a hat. So okay.

18:06

Anyway, so Heather is

18:09

all like, oh no, did Michelle marry

18:11

Sandy Frank because she had a whole thing for him,

18:13

and then sorry, I

18:15

was very much, very much in love. It

18:17

was not a thing. Then

18:20

we cut to Romie and Michelle going through their high school

18:22

your book, which triggers this whole like a flashback

18:25

sequence when they're like, oh, which group

18:27

were we a part of? Were we a B or C

18:30

group? And then they're like, wait a minute, we weren't part of

18:32

any group. And then um,

18:34

which sounds kind of insult but in their cases,

18:36

cool, we're owners. Look at us

18:39

alone. They're like, there's a

18:41

picture of like the group, and then

18:43

they're just like in the background the background,

18:46

we see Sandy Frank being in love

18:49

with Michelle. We see is a back

18:51

brace high school girl. Important

18:53

detail. We also

18:55

must mention the p y per

18:59

the permit is is vital.

19:02

It's a huge pot point. They're like, how do we age

19:04

these characters down? What can we do? And

19:07

then we see romy being in love with this guy

19:10

named Billy Christensen. He's

19:12

like the popular jock kid at school.

19:15

Um, there's like these mean popular girls

19:17

and the leader of those is Christie.

19:20

She's putting magnets on the back braise.

19:23

They have a special bag for it,

19:26

which honestly I

19:28

kind of love. I know

19:30

this is a very anti bowling time

19:32

right now, but if

19:34

you're gonna do it, go hard, be

19:38

prepared. I enjoy the use of

19:40

props that spoke to me

19:42

of like maybe Christie is in fact

19:44

the loser if she's doing homework

19:47

to bully someone good

19:50

bullying is off the cuff, improvised,

19:53

Okay, So then they yeah, so they're going through

19:55

their yearbook. We see them at prom,

19:58

Billy and Christie play mean trick

20:00

on Rummie where she's like, dance with

20:02

me and he's like okay, and then they leave, they

20:04

leave Rummie behind. We also have to suspend

20:07

our disbelief for the entire high school

20:09

sequence that like Lisa Kudro and MirOS

20:11

Orvino are not hot. They're

20:14

like Madonna twins. It's like, yeah,

20:16

wouldn't they be the dopest girls in

20:19

school in seven

20:23

wearing mini dresses and

20:25

like boss like, and

20:28

then like Christie is always dressed like it's

20:30

fucking Easter, and they're like,

20:33

oh, the hottest girl in school.

20:35

I was like, this doesn't make sense to me. You know. What

20:37

I did appreciate is that her color

20:39

was purple. And not pink, and I was like, look

20:42

at that, that's really that. I feel like

20:44

that was breaking some more progress, you

20:46

know, for like the head bitch,

20:49

you know, not to choose pink. But she's

20:51

also dressed. She and all the popular

20:53

girls are still dressed like it's Easter in

20:57

true. But then but then

21:00

the step mom from the parent trap

21:02

is there, Meredith Blake, yes, in

21:04

a power suit, and she's like,

21:06

actually, Romy and Michelle

21:09

are hot, and then the easter

21:11

women are like, no, it's

21:14

crazy. Precisely

21:17

what happens when Meredith showed up. Can

21:20

we talk about how the

21:22

last day of high school is prom

21:27

what it's like we're not going to see

21:29

anyone ever again. It's

21:32

the last day, yeah,

21:34

promise usually like two or three weeks

21:36

before the last day of school. It

21:39

was like two or three months. It's in the spring.

21:42

Wasn't like, wait when did your school end?

21:45

Promise like April,

21:48

April or market? Yeah,

21:50

I feel like it's promised after

21:52

my graduation. No, wait,

21:54

maybe the week before what.

21:57

I don't know. All I

21:59

remember so confused. I feel like problem

22:01

was a good two months before graduation.

22:04

I don't know. But also I'm thirty

22:06

four years old. Brag. What

22:11

I remember about my problem is that I

22:13

don't remember when it was exactly, but I

22:15

do know that someone's tampon fell out

22:17

on the dance floor. Someone

22:20

get loose, and then and

22:22

then someone procured you drop

22:24

it on the dance floor. Okay, that's how you drop

22:27

it. Someone was

22:29

doing some serious work in prom

22:31

and misplaced their tampon on the

22:34

dance floor, and then I forget

22:36

like some dork had

22:38

it. He said he

22:40

had a DNA tester at his house,

22:43

so he didn't figure out whose

22:45

tampon it was. What he did

22:48

was steel a used to he sucked

22:50

that tampon. So

22:53

that's just something that haunts me. Aggressive.

22:58

Okay, well that was great. I

23:02

haven't thought about that in a long time. This

23:06

sys the have a DNA tester at their house.

23:08

What a wide switch? Do you think?

23:10

He went to school in the eighties and like no one

23:12

would question him on that Google

23:15

search DNA tester. Oh

23:17

my god. That person later invented

23:20

ancestry dot com. Yeah,

23:23

he is now the CEO of three and Me And

23:25

when he goes to his high school reunion, he

23:27

can be like, I invented DNA

23:29

testing. I'm a billionaire. Helicopter.

23:32

Probably choked to death on a tampon nine

23:35

years ago. I have no idea, no idea,

23:37

death by misadventure. Alright,

23:43

so stole the damp on. Okay,

23:46

he wasn't gifted it. Yeah,

23:49

it's a different story if it we gifted to him.

23:51

All right. So we cut back to the present and Robby

23:54

Michelle are like, yeah, we're gonna go to

23:56

this reunion. People will be so impressed

23:58

with us because we leave these like awesome lives

24:01

in l A. But then they're like filling out their forms

24:03

for the reunion and they're like, wait a minute, we

24:05

are not that impressive. Let's

24:08

try to find jobs and boyfriends.

24:11

And there's a one of the my

24:13

least favorite, like their eternal weight

24:15

loss narrative. They're

24:18

like, in two weeks, we're gonna lose weight,

24:20

get boyfriends, and get sick jobs,

24:22

and then we're gonna go to our high school reunion

24:24

and shake our fists or whatever. Mind

24:27

you. They are already

24:29

very thin, and they're like, we need to lose

24:32

weight. Yeah, it's the it's

24:35

really more roamy because

24:37

Michelle's eating that bag of Doritos.

24:39

She's like, I hate to say it, but

24:42

you do think we could lose a few pals, and

24:45

she takes away a gentage

24:48

bag of cool ranch Dorito's

24:50

sweet sponsor there,

24:52

Oh, shout out Robert Evans to the Doritos

24:55

behind the Bastards. Okay.

24:58

So then they're like, yeah, what's the point of go to

25:00

the reunion if we can't impress everyone? So

25:02

they like try to like whip themselves into shape

25:05

career wise and like partner wise

25:07

and fitness wise, but none of it works.

25:10

So many

25:13

great ye Romy's treadmill

25:15

out It really spoke to me on

25:18

a lot of levels. I was like, where do

25:21

I get it at

25:26

their boutique, which is probably on Rodeo

25:28

drive. Let's go. I

25:31

love remember when everything was

25:33

like a math question, Like it's like you

25:35

gotta get like x miles

25:37

on a robot to get to town, And

25:40

who wants to go to town with a guy who rides

25:42

a robot? That

25:46

was my internal narrative

25:49

any time a guy was lay

25:53

in high school, It's like he probably drives

25:55

a robot. A

25:58

good burn. To this day, it still

26:01

works. So then

26:03

Romy and Michelle are like, wait a minute,

26:05

what if we pretend to be successful

26:08

and then we'll impress everyone? So they

26:10

make themselves some business suits. They

26:13

borrow a Jaguar from

26:15

the dealership the Ramie works at

26:17

what did I say? The car a car,

26:19

not an animal? No? I okay,

26:22

you said jaguar? Weird? Did

26:25

I? Yeah? What does some

26:27

people say? Jaguar? Jaguar? Oh?

26:29

Yeah? Some people say, like, which thing did I say?

26:32

Jaguar? Jaguar? Jaguar?

26:35

What is it? Ja ja? Okay?

26:39

I just need to say I know the difference between an animal

26:41

and a car, Like,

26:44

are they on a horse that's

26:47

a Mustang? Okay,

26:50

so jaguar is wrong, then

26:53

j I don't know what's I mean. I know

26:55

jaguar is right, but that's not to say jaguar

26:57

is wrong. They get an expensive car and

27:00

go to the drive to

27:02

the reunion, but on the way they're

27:04

like, oh, what wait, what are our jobs going to

27:06

be? And so they decide that they're going

27:08

to a woman asks and

27:11

they're like, oh wait, we forgot to be specific

27:14

because they really made a big deal about being business

27:16

women. So

27:19

then they decide that they're going to say that they invented

27:21

post it's. But this

27:24

leads them to fight because Romi's

27:26

like, yeah, I invented post it's but Michelle,

27:29

you like design them, and Michelle's

27:31

like, wait a minute, dude, think So

27:34

then they start fighting about like

27:37

what they think of each other, and then they're like,

27:39

you're not cute, You're not cute.

27:41

And then they decide that they're

27:44

not going to be friends anymore and that when they get to the

27:46

reunion they're gonna part ways and

27:49

go off and do their own thing. Then something

27:51

wild that I

27:55

had to rewind to make sure actually

27:57

comprise fifteen full minutes of

28:00

this movie. Really the dream

28:02

sequence. It's amazing, but

28:05

you didn't When did you realize

28:07

something was amiss? I

28:10

hope this isn't too late. But when

28:12

Alan Cumming could fly, that's

28:18

exactly because I was watching

28:20

it because I knew that it

28:22

was a dream sequence, and I was like, but

28:25

when does it really start to get weird?

28:27

It was like and the music starts

28:30

to get kind of funky. It was like who

28:34

because someone is like over the sunroof

28:36

and I'm like, how could you be at that? An tooby?

28:39

And then Alan Cumming can fly and

28:41

you're like, huh, true, so

28:44

far into the secret? Yeah, it's

28:47

really awesome. It's so good. But here's

28:49

the thing. True Alan Cumming fans know

28:51

that he can actually fly, so

28:53

that didn't register. Is weird? For was

28:56

it the Christie Ballroom with all the giant posters

28:59

of Christie. It was it that I

29:02

didn't even made to

29:04

be like fruits and veged

29:08

the carrots and bananas. The

29:11

Christie Ballroom was like, oh okay, now

29:13

some now my the cars

29:15

waiting for them inside

29:18

and doors. Michelle Be voted

29:21

most changed for the Batter since

29:23

high school and she hasn't stepped foot inside

29:26

the reunion all night and

29:28

it's only wearing a bra. No, sir,

29:30

I mean I feel like that has changed for the better.

29:33

This speech where she's like I can't buy my top and

29:36

I was like, where, it's

29:39

great anyway. So there

29:41

is like a fifteen minute dream sequence

29:43

without the dream sence. I don't

29:45

think this movie is future length. No,

29:49

they say right there, ninety

29:52

one minutes minute

29:56

movie of the Scholar. That's

29:58

the thing with this movie, though. They loved

30:01

that about the nineties. I loved an eighties

30:03

seven minute movie, love it. Yeah.

30:06

The thing about this movie though, is that there's about ten

30:08

minutes of plot and the rest is like

30:11

dance sequences that have no bearing

30:13

on the story, Like, there's almost

30:15

nothing that happens in this movie, and yet it is

30:17

terrific. Um there's so much

30:19

internal friendship. Sure,

30:22

but like plot wise, I mean, not

30:24

a ton happen, but on

30:26

a bad thing. I'm just saying like,

30:29

they try and they fail,

30:32

and then realized friendship is the most

30:34

important thing. And then the helicopter,

30:38

Oh baby, do you know what

30:40

that's with? Heaven?

30:43

It's a place on the

30:45

soundtrack is incredible track.

30:50

Okay, so then the

30:52

dream sequence happens. Everything's weird,

30:55

but they get a lot of it right, Like they know

30:57

that Sandy Frank is rich somehow.

31:00

So then for real, Michelle and romy

31:02

go into the reunion and they're like, hey, we invented

31:04

post it and everyone's like, no, you didn't.

31:06

And then their secret is exposed because Heather comes

31:09

and it's like no, some other guy. And then

31:11

they feel dumb because everyone laughed at them. But then

31:13

they're like, wait a minute, friendship is important. There

31:15

were stupid that we're fighting. And then

31:17

they put their great outfits back.

31:20

They're like, let's go out there and be ourselves.

31:23

And then Sandy Frank shows up in his helicopter

31:26

and he's like the only thing I don't

31:28

have in my life is you, Michelle. And

31:30

then and then the dance and we're literally

31:32

just like, yeah, sure. Very

31:36

few actors could get a yeah sure

31:38

from me for that kind of bizarro

31:42

scary plot twist. But'm like, well,

31:44

it is coming out of Alan Cumming's mouth,

31:46

so I guess we're rolling with it. And

31:49

then we cut back to them in l A.

31:51

They have opened up a fashion

31:53

like a clothing boutique. Presumably

31:55

do they stayed explicitly that Sandy like

31:58

venture funded there, Yeah, they're She's

32:00

like, she's like, I feel like we

32:02

can pay him back this week, and she's

32:04

like I think we're like two years. So

32:08

yeah, he don't care. He's unhinged, and

32:12

that is the end of the movie.

32:14

Maybe you forgotten. In the dream

32:16

sequence, they each

32:19

win the medal for

32:21

like most change for the better, But then

32:23

they each go off with their like respective

32:25

love interests, right, and then

32:27

we flash forward to seventy years later.

32:29

Seventy years so they are ninety

32:32

eight years old,

32:36

and then they still hate each other. Michelle on her

32:38

deathbed giving romy the

32:40

finger a

32:43

beautiful moment in cinema. It's

32:46

really like so great because

32:49

once you find out you're in a dream sequence. They're

32:51

like, Okay, now we're just gonna turn it up

32:53

to

32:55

wratch it up. One of the weirder

32:57

things about the dream sequence is in the dream sequence

33:00

Christie has a career, but in the real

33:02

world she doesn't, which was

33:04

one of the only things that I was like, Oh, was

33:08

a strange time. We're only

33:10

in dreams

33:13

a woman a career, but

33:15

the one who no longer hangs out with

33:17

the A group salut.

33:21

She is like an associate editor

33:24

for Vogue, businesswoman,

33:27

elegant cream suit. It's

33:29

good to see Meredith be able to play a hero. True,

33:33

I know, just for saying all in all, they're

33:35

not bad. Just

33:40

a year later, she is in that

33:43

scene in The Parent Trap where they're

33:45

out in the woods with Dennis Quaid

33:47

and a lizard crawls into her mouth. What

33:49

a wild couple of years. This is

33:52

a Lindsay Lohan one. Yeah, she

33:54

plays wife.

33:57

Huh, who's like? I

33:59

learned what eon was from her? So

34:08

where should we jump in with our discussion?

34:11

Oh gosh, where to begin? What if

34:13

we were just like female friendship? Yes, queen

34:15

and then left? That's it. That's

34:17

all I mean. I do love that

34:19

like female friends, Like this movie just celebrates

34:22

female friendship. Like that's it, Like you're

34:24

saying, like there isn't really a lot of plot, and

34:26

you just get to see two women who

34:29

are adults like genuinely

34:31

care about each other. And I think that's

34:34

honestly, like very refreshing, Like you

34:36

just don't really get to see that in movies

34:38

or TV. And it's like they have this

34:41

atypical lifestyle where they I

34:43

mean, it's like implied

34:46

like by their like Lucy

34:48

Ricky set up in their bedroom that

34:50

it's like they're like in

34:52

it, like they

34:55

need permission to funk from the other

34:57

person U

35:00

and like they're I don't know, like they're they

35:02

have like their lives are built around their

35:04

friendship. And then prior to this

35:07

reunion coming up, they don't seem to

35:09

be unhappy with that, Like they're they

35:12

have fun going out together. Even

35:14

when they go out to like it's like they're

35:17

sort of like, we're here to meet guys, but they still seem

35:19

to want to hang out with each other anyways. Yeah,

35:22

like the two cokes with extra cherries

35:24

and it's like the bartender knows that's

35:26

their order. It's like okay,

35:29

wait, their party girls, but they're like not,

35:32

they're sober, they're

35:34

not getting wasted, they're not doing anything.

35:38

They just love hanging out. Like that part

35:40

of it I just thought was like awesome,

35:42

and then it's like the problem comes

35:44

from there. Whatever

35:47

the world they from, isn't that

35:49

wouldn't think that's a cool way

35:51

to live. And to be fair, they should

35:53

have like, like Michelle

35:55

should have tried to get a job

35:57

at some point. But in

36:00

this world you could get a five

36:02

room apartment in Venice

36:05

for you know, like a part time Jaguar

36:08

cashier salary. What

36:10

I don't know. I'm like, I'm like, Michelle

36:12

has rich parents we don't know about is

36:14

the only thing I can think of playing

36:17

this lifestyle. I mean, maybe Michelle was

36:19

on unemployment. Maybe maybe,

36:22

but she goes out for jobs and she's

36:25

like very picky and

36:28

and unemployable because she keeps

36:30

like messing up during this She was good

36:33

versa. She was she

36:37

was like, you look like ship in that sure,

36:40

And I was lying when I said he was really

36:42

good at telling people they look good at like but

36:48

that is so I feel like it's just I

36:50

love watching Lisa coudro Be.

36:52

Lisa Coudro likes

36:55

so good and this

36:57

is like mid Friends where you can just tell

37:00

at Lisa Kudra is dying to not be

37:02

on Friends for two seconds, and

37:05

she's so good. I also forgot how much

37:07

I love Mira Sorvina. She's so good in

37:09

this movie. I haven't seen Mirrors, so

37:12

I've only seen Mirrors Orvina in like one other

37:14

movie that like, did you guys

37:16

ever see Wise Girls with Mariah Carey. No,

37:19

it's ridiculous. We'd

37:22

love to do Glitter that

37:25

we have to come back when you can come

37:27

back, We'll come back for Glitter. I'm obsessed

37:29

with glitter. Glitter. Mariah Carey

37:32

thinks none eleven is the reason Glitter did

37:34

not succeed. Oh, Maria,

37:39

not eleven is personally very difficult

37:42

for her. Oh

37:44

my god, what an icon escape? Good

37:47

for Mariah carry So

37:50

yeah, I mean, this movie is largely about

37:52

female friendship. That is the crux

37:54

of the movie. But then there's also parts where it's like,

37:57

okay, well, a big part of

37:59

these two many characters is that

38:01

they feel their lives are inadequate

38:03

because they don't have boyfriends. And then by

38:06

the end, at least for Michelle like she she

38:08

ends up with a guy

38:10

I think we can presume I don't

38:13

know, I mean

38:15

he's in love with her and gives them

38:17

a bunch of money to open up this shop. So

38:19

either way, it's I'm kind of all for letting

38:22

someone think that you're in love with them and taking

38:24

their mind. I'm down with that. I think

38:26

that's a feminist message that

38:29

it feels like reparations to some degree.

38:34

But maybe maybe, but

38:37

I think the not thinking their lives

38:39

are good enough, Like that's for sure coming from Romi,

38:42

because Michelle seems very like, Okay,

38:44

I'll go along with like your plan, Like sure, why

38:46

not? Like Michelle is like

38:48

fine either way, Like she's still like even after

38:51

like their plan to make their lives

38:53

better or whatever goes put, She's

38:55

like I still really want to go Yeah. Well,

38:57

because Michelle she's the one that

39:00

like kicks Romy's ask kind of

39:02

like, hey, our lives are great,

39:04

and I always thought they were great, Like

39:07

we didn't have to do all of this. Yes,

39:10

I like Michelle is like the loyalist,

39:13

loyal friend possible,

39:16

and we can get into like the message that extends

39:18

beyond that. But Michelle throughout

39:21

the whole movie whenever Romy

39:23

is having an issue of like feeling inadequate,

39:26

like Michelle goes above and beyond to alter

39:29

her behavior to make

39:31

Romy happy or be inclusive

39:34

in moments that like, I don't know, I feel like

39:36

if instead of when,

39:38

when Sandy's like, oh, Michelle, I just want

39:41

to dance with you, like Michelle's like include

39:44

yeah, which to Sandy is a wild

39:46

challenge. But he's Allen comming, so he knows what to do. He

39:49

just goes. He's like, I have the choreography

39:52

ready, thankfully,

39:54

this choreography is for three. But

39:58

like Michelle often like comical

40:00

ways will include Romy

40:03

to keep her friend happy

40:05

and feeling secure in a way that Romy

40:08

like. Not that Romy loves Michelle

40:10

any less, but it seems like Michelle is

40:12

the friend and the relationship who goes

40:14

above and beyond definitely,

40:17

which I love about her. And

40:19

I'm also like, man, you

40:21

don't have to do it every time. You could

40:24

dance with Sandy. But I don't even know if she

40:26

wants to. That's the thing is I think she. I'm just like

40:28

I hope that after the helicopter

40:31

took off, Alan commings like so you're in love

40:33

with me, right, she's like, no, no,

40:35

but thanks for the helicopter ride a

40:38

million dollars. Do we

40:40

see them kiss? And then

40:43

she's like happy that he didn't bring as big a

40:45

notebook, so they probably bang. She

40:47

feels his erection. I guess she's applying,

40:52

she feels Alan Cumming's big old

40:55

bonar. So

40:58

I don't know. For me, it didn't seem like a

41:00

sure thing that they ended up together, because it doesn't

41:02

seem that like that kind of movie, right,

41:04

because the end is he's referenced

41:07

in terms of like him investing in

41:09

their business, but we don't see him on

41:11

screen again, so the emphasis

41:13

is still on their friendship between

41:16

Roman and Michelle. Yeah, so they're gonna

41:18

be terrible business owners like that at

41:20

the end. Yeah, they're going to sink are

41:25

so good it was it almost

41:27

looks like dash or something. It looks

41:29

like that sort of venture is

41:31

perfect. Yeah. Um. I would

41:33

say the other kind of bigger

41:35

issue that I have with this

41:37

otherwise perfect movie is

41:40

that several of the plot points

41:42

revolve around many different

41:45

pairs or groups of women not getting

41:47

along with each other. So

41:49

it's yet another movie, I would

41:51

argue, at least where we see women

41:54

just in conflict for reasons

41:57

that aren't clear, just because it's like, oh, well,

41:59

you know, they like Brady high

42:01

school bullies. So I

42:03

think at the time this movie came out, if

42:05

we were to put it in context of the

42:07

time it came out, and I do agree with what you're saying,

42:10

this seems to be like the given for

42:12

like, well, in movies, this is what high schools

42:14

are, Like there's nice girls and there

42:16

are mean girls, and that what I

42:19

was almost bummed out and sort

42:21

of started talking about it before. But like between

42:24

the dream sequence and the real

42:26

sequence were in high school, Christie

42:28

was this mean girl, and like that

42:31

is an exaggerated version of dynamics

42:33

that sometimes exists in real high schools, and

42:36

yes, media should be challenging those and

42:39

you know, giving young people different ideas of

42:41

how high school dynamics can work. But

42:43

it is a reflection of something that does happen

42:46

in high schools, heightened to a major extent.

42:48

But during the dream sequence, I

42:50

forget which of them goes

42:53

up to Christie, and Christie's like, oh yeah, I'm

42:55

the most successful weather girl in

42:57

Tucson, which felt

43:00

more like the reality of Christie

43:03

felt to me like less realistic and

43:05

more reductive in

43:07

terms of the story than than

43:09

the dream version of Christie, because

43:11

in the real version of Christie, she is

43:14

like the popular girl who was always like, I'm

43:16

going to be famous, I'm gonna do all this stuff, and then

43:18

she ends up marrying her high school swee sweetheart

43:21

and having three kids by

43:23

not that there's anything wrong with that, but the movie

43:25

tells you there's something wrong with The movie has

43:27

a really weird view about motherhood

43:29

where it's suggested it's actually

43:31

quite nasty. Yeah, it kind

43:34

of suggest sorry, at least roomy.

43:36

Michelle didn't get fat, you know, but

43:40

according to the movie, uh,

43:43

romy used to be chubby.

43:46

And I was like, huh,

43:48

and if I'll keep calling her that and it's

43:50

like, what are you talking about? The

43:53

high school dynamics in this movie

43:56

are dated as fuck, really

43:59

really in it, and don't do that much

44:01

to challenge those dynamics.

44:04

I'd say the most the furthest it

44:06

went to challenge because in high school everyone's

44:08

focus is to like find a heterosexual

44:11

partner and do well, and then ten years

44:13

later, everyone's goal is to have

44:16

a heterosexual partner and do well

44:18

in their career, and so like nothing

44:20

is really challenged there, except by

44:23

Romy and Michelle, who are like, we're losers. We're getting

44:25

in a helicopter, and

44:27

that's well, I mean I

44:30

get that. Yeah, there's like the mean girls

44:32

and a lot of these this kind of reductive high

44:34

school tropes. But I did appreciate they

44:37

you know what happens with um when

44:39

they're like talking to like Heather Mooney

44:41

about like who they

44:44

each thought they were in high school,

44:46

and it's like, oh, everyone made

44:48

someone's life a living hell, where

44:51

like in hindsight you can

44:53

like you experience it and you

44:55

feel it this way and so that's your truth.

44:58

But then in actual quality, it's like,

45:01

oh no, it seemed like you guys are having fun

45:03

and you had it made and I

45:05

wish I was like as cool as you and doing

45:07

all the stuff that you guys were doing. And I

45:09

think that's like a very real true thing. And

45:12

then she's the Heather Mooney character

45:14

is very pleased when she finds out that

45:17

she has made the Toby

45:19

Walter's character's life of living.

45:21

How the Cameron about

45:23

her Time's character right, She's

45:25

like, oh, hell yeah, if

45:28

I was a horrible wretch

45:30

to you, and that's great. Um

45:32

just to go back to the how the movie views

45:35

like motherhood really quickly, it's

45:37

this like weird idea. It

45:39

suggests that like women who choose

45:41

to be mothers have given up and

45:44

or that they also can't have careers.

45:46

Like it's this weird. I feel like it feels

45:48

like left over from second wave feminism

45:51

kind of thing where it's like the

45:53

focuses on women having careers, which

45:55

is amazing, but it's almost like women can have

45:57

careers and if you choose not to have a career,

46:01

Like it's not a very inclusive view.

46:03

It's progressive and yet also in his

46:06

main to mothers that the world

46:08

requires. Because then, like Christine even

46:10

says, the line is something like she's

46:13

saying this about the Lisa Luter character, who's

46:15

like the Vogue editor. She says

46:17

something like such a great out of

46:19

it. Um. She says, like unlike a

46:21

certain ball busting, dried up career

46:24

woman. We know we're all happily married.

46:26

And then like Lisa's like, yeah, keep to

46:28

keep. So it's right,

46:30

it's like this, we yeah, that

46:32

was not handled especially well. It's

46:34

very nice. Those are the only three mothers

46:37

we see like the same

46:39

amount of friend they're all the same amount

46:41

of pregnant. They're all the same amount of bitchy and

46:44

rude. In me, that's it. That's They're

46:46

all dressed like it's a star. It's

46:48

crazy. Yeah. And then at the end,

46:50

I didn't like the last beat for the Christie

46:53

character, where like her dress blows

46:55

up and you see her pregnant stomach and everyone's

46:57

like from their helicopter

47:00

her, this is a bit much she

47:02

because well, where the Christie character ends,

47:05

and like the popular girl characters

47:07

are dealt with very weird and not like,

47:10

not super thoughtfully. I feel like it's almost just like

47:12

a cookie cutter idea of who

47:14

a popular girl is, which I thought was

47:16

challenged in the dream sequence, but then they were like,

47:18

no, actually we didn't want to think about it. And

47:22

at the end, in like the last ten

47:24

minutes of the movie, you get a very tragic

47:28

u setup for what's going on in Christie's

47:30

life in her marriage, where I'm like, I

47:32

don't think she like she put yeah, she

47:34

put magnets on your back. I wouldn't.

47:37

People did that to me too, and I wouldn't wish

47:39

this on them. Like where

47:41

her husband, popular Bobby

47:43

comes up and it's implied that like he's not as

47:46

like conventionally hot as he

47:48

used to be. And he comes up to Roman and he's

47:50

like, my wife lied about my job.

47:52

He got married to Christie. He's like, no,

47:55

I don't. I don't dry wall, old

47:57

man do drywall for her. That's

48:00

just like what does that mean? And

48:03

but then he's like, yeah, and I cheat on her all the

48:05

time, you know. He basically is like Christie's

48:07

life is a sham and I don't

48:10

care about her and I want

48:12

to cheat on her now, and

48:15

then we still are supposed to laugh at her

48:17

at the end. I felt so badly for it supposed

48:20

to be this like cathartic moment for Romie

48:22

where she's like, oh, I get to do to Billy

48:24

what he did to me by like leaving to

48:28

Yeah. I guess the thing is it's like he

48:30

never seen like he was never like

48:32

any sort of real, fleshed out character.

48:35

He was supposed to be the subjective hot guy

48:37

in high school, and I was like, he just looks whack, Like

48:40

he's not even that hot. He's not

48:42

like Alan coming in high school would bang,

48:44

you know god,

48:47

And he's attentive, right,

48:50

yes, Alan coming in the dream

48:52

sequence where he classics.

48:58

He looks like Christopher wa was

49:00

your presence. He

49:04

looks but like Michelle is like, oh

49:06

you picked a great face. You're so dreamy.

49:08

But he is truly frightening. Okay,

49:11

he looks badly rendered. It's

49:14

so wonderful, but yeah, or express

49:16

character. But like, what

49:19

is the deal with Bobby being like the

49:21

hottest guy in school. He's

49:25

not that hot, He's super dumb.

49:27

It's like, why did she even like

49:30

him? I mean, we all made horrible mistakes,

49:33

but the fact that Romy is still so hung

49:36

up on him that feels like a weird

49:39

choice for that. Yeah, it just like doesn't

49:41

seem like the best. It's like they're like, well,

49:43

how much can we make go full circle in this

49:45

movie? You know where? I think if

49:47

this movie came out now, I

49:49

think what the writers might do

49:52

is instead of them laughing

49:54

and pointing at Christie at

49:56

the end, Romy would tell

49:59

Christie and then and Christie would be like, I'm

50:01

going to start a new and go to night

50:04

school. And then she would also

50:06

get on the helicopter and then all the

50:08

with the Regina

50:10

Hall would be there.

50:14

It would be incredible. So

50:16

you felt a little to me like the end of Jurassic

50:19

Park when they all get on the helicopter

50:21

away from the dinosaur island. Anyone

50:23

else? No, is that how that movie ends?

50:25

I forget? And

50:28

then and then Sam Neil is like, look, pelicans,

50:31

they're just like dinosaurs, or that's what dinosaurs

50:33

evolved into or I don't know. Did

50:35

you create a cinematic moment? Did you know Sam

50:38

Elliott got a star in the Walk of Fame this

50:40

week? Nope, he's

50:43

in a star is born.

50:46

He's the old Yeah, his only and

50:49

they gave him a star anyway

50:51

for him he was snubbed anyway,

50:55

star star. Another

51:02

thing that I found to be not

51:04

so great about this movie is

51:06

one of the things that like temporarily

51:09

breaks up their friendship is them

51:12

being like, you're not cute. No, you're

51:14

not cute. They're like arguing over

51:16

how each other looks, how Marian

51:19

who's the road up? That's real, that's

51:21

real. That's a real thing. We

51:23

were arguing today about who's the Roman, who's

51:25

the Michelle. Yeah, let's

51:29

just let's just ask. I've got a

51:31

crowd. Okay,

51:33

clap if you think that me Caitlin

51:36

is romy and that Jamie

51:38

is Michelle. Clap if that's

51:41

what you think. Okay,

51:43

oh this might be tight clap if you think

51:46

the opposite, that I am

51:48

Michelle and that Jamie is romih

51:54

it have it. Well,

51:56

there you go. I

51:59

do identify as a Romie, So I

52:00

identified as a Michelle. I'm pleased with

52:03

pleased with our fans know us.

52:05

So oh

52:08

man, I do feel a lot of relief after all,

52:12

right to the one person who was wrong. Now I'm kidding

52:17

I show

52:21

anyway. So yeah, that's that's a weird moment that I

52:23

don't think if this movie was like came out today,

52:25

I don't think they would be like, you're ugly, No, you're

52:27

the ugly one. Like think it would be

52:30

very They don't say

52:32

you're not cute, it's just who's cute? Yeah,

52:35

And I think it would be like or it would be more

52:37

thoughtfully addressed, because I mean, I think

52:39

that I had a note about that too.

52:41

But it's like the I

52:43

don't know if we're operating on the idea that it's like

52:46

the high school reunion and the ideas

52:48

within the reunion that gets between

52:50

them. That argument makes

52:53

sense, but the fact that it only goes and I

52:55

think if it was written now it would be about their looks,

52:57

their career. It would be about the three things they

52:59

were worried about, and not just like

53:02

who's hot, who's not like that sort

53:04

of thing. Like it would probably be a more thoughtful

53:06

discussion of like I mean,

53:09

they barely they only mentioned that Lisa Kudrow

53:12

has never worked a day in her life once. Well,

53:15

they do. She used to have a job. She used to have a job.

53:17

She was a sales probably carries her,

53:20

that's right, So then that explains

53:22

a lot of romy's like, Hey, like

53:25

I don't know, I'm the one that invented post.

53:28

It's okay because I pay the

53:30

rent, which is fair. But

53:32

then Michelle is the one that always gets us

53:35

to day elce first again,

53:37

very true of our relations You

53:40

pay my rent, yes, and no one

53:42

asks me to day. Thank you so much. Um.

53:46

Yeah, I think that that's like something that does

53:49

happen can happen in like real friendships

53:52

where it's like you kind of you get

53:54

into these roles, you know what I mean, someone's always

53:56

maybe the leader more and

53:59

someone goes along with the ideas,

54:01

and yeah, I feel I feel like they're the

54:03

relationship dynamic is I

54:05

mean, I found it to be very relatable. But

54:08

the fact that, like one of the main things that they argue

54:11

about, to the extent that in their

54:13

dream sequence when they're seventy

54:15

years older and still

54:18

hate each other, they're the thing that they're still

54:20

beefing over is no, I'm the

54:22

Mary. So I feel

54:24

like I get it if

54:26

like that is like maybe a sentiment

54:29

that people have in a in a friendship

54:31

that they're like maybe self conscious or

54:33

you know whatever. But um, yeah, the

54:35

fact that that's, like, I would say, probably the main

54:37

thing that the argument is focused on, where

54:40

they do bring up like yeah, I carry you, like did

54:42

it da this and that, different things about their

54:44

kind of professional lives and stuff

54:47

like that. But the fact that that is the main thing,

54:50

it's very and

54:52

I think that that is like you you can boil down

54:55

most critiques of this movie to like, yikes,

54:58

thrilled it's no longer seven,

55:01

for example, but I'm not grateful it's

55:03

two thousand nineteen either, So what

55:06

do we do. One of a few of the other you

55:08

know, nineties seven based issues that this

55:10

movie has, there's

55:12

that there's that queer phobic joke made

55:15

by Lisa Kudrow at the tippity

55:17

top of the movie, like it's

55:19

essentially a no homo joke.

55:22

When they're dancing at the club. When they're dancing, right,

55:25

Romy says something like, I

55:27

swear to God sometimes I wish I was a lesbian,

55:29

and Michelle says, well, do you want to try to have sex

55:31

sometime just to see if we are? Rami

55:34

says, yeah, right, Michelle, just the thought of

55:36

having sex with another woman creeps me out. But

55:38

then then there's a beat and

55:40

then she says, but if we're not married by the time

55:42

we're thirty, asked me again, this

55:45

is which all

55:47

over? I mean, that's

55:49

like essentially like the plot of like

55:52

my best friend's wedding, right, Like,

55:54

is it if we're not married by the time

55:57

we're thirty? That's

55:59

Mary each other. That's a

56:01

movie that's my best friend.

56:03

You guys haven't done my best friends. I

56:07

am shocked. It's crazy that I haven't seen

56:09

that movie and yet I've seen I now pronounce your

56:11

chucking Larry. That's

56:15

let's never do that. Let's

56:18

find right now. I never see

56:20

that movie. I would love to see if

56:22

Paul Blart mall Cop passed

56:24

the back del cast, we do can we do

56:27

Blart March on

56:30

the Patreon Sure,

56:32

okay, both both Blarts O

56:35

Paton. There's two right,

56:37

it's or something. I

56:40

don't even want to know how much money that movie

56:42

fucking made. O Blart

56:44

March you look out. I

56:47

would also say that there's some like the

56:49

way the movie handles race is also

56:52

a very again there

56:57

is I would I think there's black Warren

56:59

plays, Yeah, all the guys.

57:01

Yeah, I

57:04

would do that. I

57:06

would just yell that at my sister,

57:10

Just yell at ROMI. You were

57:12

looking at what

57:16

is rough dumb troll?

57:23

Right? So there like the

57:25

only the

57:29

only person of color in the movie that has

57:31

lines is this like creepo

57:33

like predatory guy who's constantly harassing

57:36

Romie at work. There's a fuel. There's there's

57:38

a few people of color who have lines, but they're

57:40

all they all work as mechanics

57:43

at the job we do. We see them talk even

57:45

well, they're really just they're going like

57:47

oh that's my boy. Oh

57:49

yeah, They're like, oh he's really doing it. They're

57:52

like listening to like, okay, it's

57:54

a futured extra. Their men are their men here,

57:56

their money here. You

57:59

knew your coworker

58:01

was banging someone at work,

58:04

would you excitedly creep

58:07

up to the doortal with they

58:09

all, but have a tin can right

58:12

there? That scene is like

58:15

weird, but it's it's like there's an easy

58:18

a vibe to that whole scene, which

58:20

was fun, but then it's also like, okay, it's

58:22

another example of what's

58:25

not smoking work

58:29

but near oil when yeah, you work

58:31

in the mechanic, like have

58:34

a lit cigar. That scene

58:37

is interesting because it's like she dresses up

58:39

all you know, sexy, and she's like, I need

58:42

a jaguire is

58:44

how I would say it. And um,

58:46

so she's like kind of intending to

58:48

flirt to like get her way into it, and

58:51

then he's like, well, what's in it for me? And then she's

58:53

like, I'm not going to have sex with you, so like to some

58:55

degree, she's like using

58:57

like a slight bit of her sexuality

58:59

which manage of his crush on her

59:02

before that. That's

59:04

the thing is like, it's the same thing as taking Alan

59:06

Cummings venture money, Like it

59:09

depends on your personal code of what

59:12

what you want to do that

59:15

I wouldn't take Alan Cummings money. Just

59:17

like that also means it's like they need a man

59:20

the help of a man to get what they

59:22

want. But then also it's like, well, but it's

59:24

set up in a very specific way. I

59:26

don't know. I mean I do, I do see

59:28

what you're saying. And then also the fact that like the

59:31

only non white people we see like

59:33

work at the Jaguar dealership. Or there's

59:35

like one very brief part of

59:37

the high school reunion where Lisa

59:40

Kudros talking at a

59:43

group of people of here and they're

59:45

the joke is that they are not allowed to respond.

59:47

It is like the Asian kids

59:50

that went to school that don't have names,

59:53

don't have any backstory, and

59:55

she just talks at them, so they

59:57

either is the joke that they don't

1:00:00

stand what she's saying, is that

1:00:02

that just what it's supposed to be. That

1:00:04

doesn't make that doesn't make any sense because they

1:00:06

went to high school in

1:00:09

Tucson. That

1:00:13

joke was weird and insensitive

1:00:16

there. And I mean I I was

1:00:19

reading back most of this stuff I saw in

1:00:21

my research of like criticism done

1:00:24

of this movie, which inn

1:00:27

was largely uncritical. What a

1:00:29

fun romp, and they're not wrong. It

1:00:31

has like a seventy six round tomatoes

1:00:33

though, which is hating on it. Yeah,

1:00:35

probably rodri Ebert, that motherfucker.

1:00:39

I read the movies. Roderi

1:00:41

Ebert, Rogerie Aubert had some deep

1:00:44

seated issues, but anyway, value

1:00:46

of the dolls too. He didn't

1:00:50

understand He didn't understand anything

1:00:52

that wasn't men. But anyways, a

1:00:55

lot of what I read was written less

1:00:57

than two years ago for the twentieth anniversary

1:01:00

of this movie, and reading some of the more

1:01:02

modern criticism of it is interesting. And there

1:01:04

was one piece specifically I read that was published

1:01:06

in Bitch magazine. Never heard of it

1:01:09

in two thousand seventeen. That

1:01:12

was a point that I hadn't

1:01:15

really thought of during my viewing of

1:01:17

it. But the the whole thesis

1:01:19

of it was that this movie is built

1:01:22

around the idea that like, white women

1:01:24

are allowed to be mediocre, and

1:01:26

that is like a goofy, funny joke, but

1:01:28

if you swap anyone else out, it becomes

1:01:31

a joke that mainstream America probably

1:01:33

couldn't have accepted, which

1:01:36

I thought was interesting. Well,

1:01:38

Lincoln, I really

1:01:40

killed the room on that. I'm

1:01:43

just pondering the mean, isn't

1:01:46

I mean the Harold and Kumar movies. I

1:01:49

have only seen one but

1:01:51

like the one that you go to white Castle, but

1:01:54

it is that it's a stone Stoner

1:01:56

so it's a little different. But it's

1:01:58

like they're just regular. Do they

1:02:00

have impressive jobs? I feel like I don't

1:02:03

remember what if they were fortunate, but also

1:02:05

like what is an impressive job? You know, like

1:02:07

let's redefine what that means.

1:02:10

I know, I do think it's really refreshing that

1:02:12

they are so unremarkable,

1:02:15

you know what I mean. I think that thoughts.

1:02:18

I don't know, as someone who's like a girly girl

1:02:20

who has local fries is like

1:02:22

a lot all that ship. I

1:02:25

really do love that they are

1:02:28

fully just dizzy

1:02:30

girls that get by some figure

1:02:33

out how to survive. It's funny,

1:02:35

it's refreshing. I don't know. I think I

1:02:38

hate that like women have to be

1:02:40

like exceptional to just be thought

1:02:42

of as competent. You

1:02:44

know. That infuriates

1:02:47

me. So it is

1:02:50

I think nice to just see

1:02:53

but that's what the real you not that they're

1:02:55

real people. But it's like, not everyone's

1:02:58

going to be like a straight a

1:03:00

student and go to grad school screenwriting

1:03:06

from Boston University. Sorry, some

1:03:08

women are just like okay,

1:03:10

that's right, and they both accept

1:03:13

each other and love each other, but just I

1:03:15

think the greater and more important thing is

1:03:18

that there's genuine like friendship

1:03:20

and support there and for sure expectations

1:03:22

of the world that bring in the conflict.

1:03:25

I would say though, and this isn't really a criticism, but

1:03:27

it was just something I noticed that is that they are

1:03:29

both like very

1:03:31

stereotypically like hyper feminine

1:03:34

in their you know, appearance,

1:03:36

and their behavior and their interests

1:03:38

and stuff like that. Like we don't know that

1:03:40

much about them aside from

1:03:43

they love fashion. They love you know, wearing

1:03:46

unique outfits and

1:03:48

fun, frisky subcolor. It's so weird

1:03:51

that they're just I don't I don't know where

1:03:53

everyone keeps. This movie gaslights

1:03:55

you in a number of ways, whether you're like Lisa Kujo

1:03:58

and Mirosorpono are, and

1:04:00

that their outfits, well,

1:04:03

that they think that about them,

1:04:05

that they in high school, everyone's like

1:04:08

they're like and

1:04:10

they everyone they're confusing.

1:04:13

That is bizarre. Yeah, And that their clothes

1:04:15

are stupid when we all know that their

1:04:17

clothes are. But

1:04:20

then like they think about

1:04:22

themselves that they need to lose

1:04:24

weight, and one of the things are fixated on is

1:04:27

like weight loss and stuff like that,

1:04:29

which is like again for a

1:04:32

very stereotypical I feel like the kickboxing.

1:04:37

So again, like this isn't a criticism,

1:04:40

but they're just like very hyper hyper

1:04:42

feminine. Who wrote

1:04:44

the movie? How did this even happen?

1:04:47

It is written by Robin Schiff,

1:04:49

based on a play that she

1:04:51

also wrote, directed

1:04:55

by a man David Merkin

1:04:57

Is. I'm

1:05:01

sorry, icon,

1:05:05

I don't need to know anything else about him.

1:05:07

His last name is market. Just make sure

1:05:09

I didn't miss this. I'm gonna go

1:05:11

on IMDb. David

1:05:14

Mark, Right, okay,

1:05:17

direct, Okay, So

1:05:20

yeah, I mean, do we have any other final

1:05:22

thoughts about the film?

1:05:25

I don't know. I mean I can't think of

1:05:28

Cameron Man. Yeah, set

1:05:34

that was really I

1:05:36

love that she was like, please don't

1:05:38

tell me to go fuck myself. It really hurts

1:05:40

my feeling. I mean

1:05:43

that's so real and vulnerable. I

1:05:45

know, like she's like, clearly I've

1:05:47

been to a lot of therapy, worked

1:05:50

on herself, worked it out, She's

1:05:52

done the work. She's sending boundaries

1:05:55

creating an expectation. I

1:05:58

like it, like

1:06:00

I I mean, I would assume

1:06:02

this movie paved the way for a

1:06:04

lot of other like because this movie is

1:06:06

like very well loved. It was loved

1:06:08

when it was when it came out, which never happens,

1:06:11

especially like a female

1:06:13

lead major comedy movie

1:06:16

like that. It broke a lot of barriers

1:06:18

in many ways for all of its fault

1:06:20

and just a mediocre female

1:06:22

friendship you don't see anywhere, even

1:06:25

in an era where I feel

1:06:27

like now we're getting more female

1:06:30

representation than in past

1:06:32

years, but there is still like that symptom of

1:06:34

the Mary Sue of like the

1:06:37

women who are allowed to be the leads and movies

1:06:39

are superheroes or they're perfect,

1:06:42

you still can't be like a fucking

1:06:44

idiot like I just true

1:06:46

progress is female idiot

1:06:48

representation and

1:06:51

this is it, and it's it's great and

1:06:53

pure and like very I don't know, I

1:06:55

really like this movie. I will say that it

1:06:58

is yet another movie

1:07:00

with a female leader, in this case to female

1:07:02

leads that ends in like

1:07:04

a formal social event. Usually

1:07:08

it's a wedding, a prom, a ball.

1:07:11

This, I would say,

1:07:16

so it ends in their store.

1:07:20

But a big component of

1:07:22

this movie, I would

1:07:24

argue is the reunion expand

1:07:28

well, let me it's

1:07:31

different from those like the typical examples

1:07:33

of it being like a wedding or a

1:07:35

problem, which is what it usually is, but it's

1:07:37

still I feel like female centered

1:07:39

stories feel like they always have to

1:07:42

end in some sort of like big formal

1:07:44

social event because that's

1:07:46

what women like to do. The

1:07:49

only thing I would say there is that reunion

1:07:51

is less of a gendered semal

1:07:54

events where everyone's whipping

1:07:56

there dick out real or figurative,

1:07:59

putting it on the table at their reunion saying

1:08:01

this is what I've done. Yeah, I

1:08:04

think if it ended, if it truly

1:08:06

ended at the reunion and they go in the helicopter

1:08:08

and that's it, Like I would be down

1:08:10

with that. But it's like, but they have

1:08:13

their store to become the successful

1:08:15

business woman that they set out to be

1:08:17

to be. Yeah. True, I

1:08:19

mean for a pair

1:08:22

of mediocre dumb dumps.

1:08:25

They sure their girl bosses now

1:08:27

the girl bosses. Girl bosses.

1:08:30

They had a trouble term giant

1:08:32

baby that curses and says it

1:08:34

a lot. Barolo said

1:08:39

that character. That character too. Yeah,

1:08:43

the fact that they like help each other out

1:08:45

instead of like continuing. They're sort

1:08:47

of like an she has friends now

1:08:51

she raw dogs, Janine

1:08:53

raw dogs the boys.

1:08:57

So that's always good news, you know, that's

1:09:00

raw dogging in the field. Yeah,

1:09:03

usually good news. Usually

1:09:08

how optimistic argue? Usually,

1:09:14

I guess there's no way to say without revealing

1:09:16

too much on my personal history. Should

1:09:18

we take any questions or comments from the crowd?

1:09:21

Oh yeah, yeah, I'm time. What

1:09:24

do we miss? Yes, I am

1:09:28

what's your name? Differently,

1:09:31

let's fight. Um.

1:09:34

So, as soon as we saw a feminist icon

1:09:37

cat eating junk food on the couch, we got very

1:09:39

excited for a potential cat

1:09:41

Facts with Caitlin. So I was hoping ed Coard request

1:09:44

that citer.

1:09:47

It's a Michelle. She's flipping through the magazine.

1:09:50

She's like, I don't understand how models

1:09:52

work or magazine. And

1:09:55

then in the background it's

1:09:57

eating cake. The cat it's like a piece

1:09:59

of They're fine with it

1:10:02

because what yeah, it's

1:10:06

note are

1:10:08

eating our jellybeans and nothing

1:10:10

else. It seems there's a lot of great product

1:10:13

placement. There's a whole shot

1:10:15

where you're just like, we've just made dollars,

1:10:19

but you're right, there is a cat in the background.

1:10:22

Um, that is eating cake. And just in

1:10:24

case anyone was curious, cats do have eight

1:10:26

nipples. It's a cat Facts with Caitland. Although I

1:10:28

recently learned that that

1:10:31

is not necessarily true. Sometimes

1:10:33

cats Wow, sometimes

1:10:36

cats have a cat alternative facts.

1:10:39

It's this is please represent cats.

1:10:44

Sometimes cats have as few as for

1:10:46

nipples or as many as ten. Apparently,

1:10:49

so I've been wrong the whole

1:10:52

time. Got an average

1:10:54

of eight. I believe, shaken to my

1:10:56

marrow. I know any

1:10:59

other question comments,

1:11:06

Let's discuss whether or not the movie passes the

1:11:08

Bechdel test. Yes, it does in

1:11:11

the very first scene, in the very first

1:11:13

lines that are spoken, like Rommy and Michelley

1:11:16

are talking about pretty Woman and how the sales

1:11:18

women in that movie are whores.

1:11:21

So it's maybe not the most

1:11:23

progressive passing that we've seen. But

1:11:25

I also think that there's a sub pass

1:11:28

in that scene where the scene and pretty Woman

1:11:31

is also passing. Yeah,

1:11:34

perhaps as a new do we do the sales

1:11:37

woman have actual names? That's what I was

1:11:39

going to ask. I don't know. I've nervous, very

1:11:41

Sue. Wait, what

1:11:43

when the man is

1:11:45

like when she goes to the shop where

1:11:48

they do help her, He's

1:11:50

like, very path very Sue, help

1:11:53

this woman, hid her, this woman? But

1:11:55

do they speak? I would imagine

1:11:57

I think they do because they're having some sort of conflict

1:11:59

in the story's like go get me this shirt

1:12:02

and then that's and she's like, okay,

1:12:05

that's that would be a pass. I'm gonna

1:12:07

I'm gonna first

1:12:10

double pass, and

1:12:12

then several of the passes are also Janine

1:12:15

Gruffalo telling Toby

1:12:17

to funk off. Um, but

1:12:20

a lot of fun dynamic, a

1:12:23

lot of those scenes do pass, a

1:12:25

lot of the conversations do pass. And

1:12:27

uh yeah, it's a hard yess. Yeah. Absolutely.

1:12:30

Let's write the movie on our nipple scale. Alright, nipple

1:12:33

scale nip Okay, well

1:12:35

it has the nipple scale change now

1:12:37

that we have this new cat fact. Oh

1:12:40

my god. Yeah, anywhere between four

1:12:42

and ten nipples,

1:12:48

or we can stick with the old one, which is to rate to the

1:12:50

movie zero to five nipples based

1:12:52

on its portrayal and representation of women.

1:12:55

Um, I'm gonna go with three,

1:12:58

I think for this um because is

1:13:00

while it is it's you know, it's a celebration

1:13:02

of female friendship. Always loves stories like

1:13:04

that. There is still a lot of like antagonism

1:13:08

among different women in the

1:13:10

story. And you know, the way

1:13:12

that the movie handles queerness and race

1:13:15

is not well. And also

1:13:17

there's that weird incest joke where she's like, yeah,

1:13:19

you lost your virginity to your cousin. I

1:13:23

wouldn't brag about that. Yeah.

1:13:27

So it's like again like the very Liken

1:13:31

based attempts at humor that are

1:13:34

generally regressive, but the

1:13:36

female friendship aspect of it and the fact

1:13:38

that they even though they're like feuding

1:13:41

for a little while, feud a show

1:13:43

that at

1:13:47

the Golden Clothes bluster. So the feuding

1:13:49

for part of the movie, but there

1:13:52

you know, their friendship is pure and

1:13:54

beautiful. Um and I love

1:13:56

it. So three nipples and I

1:13:59

will give of them all to the unnamed

1:14:02

orange cat who eats cake. I'll

1:14:05

go through on this one as well. I agree

1:14:09

with with what you're saying where there is definitely some dated

1:14:12

dynamics between some of the female groups

1:14:14

that I think could have it wouldn't have been

1:14:16

that hard to resolve

1:14:20

or at least subvert a little bit. I feel

1:14:22

like there's not really much subversion done with

1:14:24

the high school dynamics, where it's

1:14:26

one thing to present like popular

1:14:28

girls not popular girls, and then the

1:14:31

way they interact with each other ten years later

1:14:33

could be telling or or reflect something

1:14:35

about how people grow over time. But this movie

1:14:37

doesn't really go for that, and in fact ends

1:14:39

on a joke making fun of a pregnant woman. So

1:14:42

that's not great, you

1:14:44

know, it's it's I mean, yeah, it's

1:14:47

a very white movie. It's

1:14:51

some and sometimes I couldn't tell Miras

1:14:53

Orvina and Lisa Gudreau apart that

1:14:55

was I'm sorry, but

1:14:57

but it is confusing and

1:15:01

but mediocre. Female

1:15:03

representation needs to take

1:15:05

hold in culture. That's the marker

1:15:08

of true progress when non

1:15:10

exceptional women can be in charge

1:15:13

of a movie and capture the

1:15:15

hearts of millions without

1:15:17

being punched down at all

1:15:19

the time or made a mockery of. I

1:15:22

think that's great. Also, back brace

1:15:24

girls, and that's you

1:15:26

know, I if you've read Danny

1:15:28

by Judy Bloom, you'll

1:15:31

know that seeing a back brace girl

1:15:33

that's not Danny is critical and

1:15:35

Alan Cumming is awesome.

1:15:38

So I include

1:15:40

that in my representation of women's score

1:15:44

three nippies and I'll

1:15:46

give one to Romy, one to Michelle,

1:15:48

and one to Alan. Five

1:15:53

because I'm a stand Yeah,

1:15:56

it's problematic. Everything is problematic.

1:15:59

It's funny, it's

1:16:02

a beautiful movie. She's

1:16:06

she does the which guy? Will

1:16:08

I have sex? With at the real end

1:16:13

in a movie. It's

1:16:15

amazing someone

1:16:17

wrote it down and then they

1:16:20

spent money shooting it, lighting

1:16:23

it, sounding it. I

1:16:25

just I love that it's so girly

1:16:29

and that they get to be so girl and unapologetically

1:16:32

so like very Also, was anyone

1:16:34

getting thumb and Louise vibes when they're like driving

1:16:36

through the desert in a convertible they're scarves

1:16:39

on their heads? What a homage I

1:16:41

love? I was thinking recently, I was like, what if

1:16:43

we tried we were on YouTube and we tried

1:16:45

to do the thulm It and Louise challenge?

1:16:48

Or did you just drive off a cliff with your friend?

1:16:54

But no, it's I'm gonna make it happen

1:16:57

that the

1:17:00

Thelma and Louise child. It's

1:17:03

a good idea I tell to anyone you hate

1:17:06

I So hope that catch us on all

1:17:11

right. Well, Danielle, thank you so much for being

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1:17:18

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by. Hey

1:17:43

real quick. Yeah, it's something

1:17:45

we didn't mention during the live show,

1:17:48

but I think it is worth mentioning.

1:17:50

Definitely is the mirror. Serrino,

1:17:52

who plays romy in the movie basically

1:17:55

got blacklisted in Hollywood by Harvey

1:17:58

Weinstein for a while.

1:18:01

Our king j k him

1:18:04

straight to hell. Some of the reading that I

1:18:06

had done said that

1:18:09

he sexually harassed her and

1:18:12

then told Peter Jackson to

1:18:14

not consider her for a role in Lord of

1:18:16

the Rings. Awful, terrible,

1:18:20

but I would you know, I

1:18:22

hate Lord of the Rings,

1:18:24

so for me, that works out. But

1:18:27

she did not deserve any of what she got.

1:18:29

Um. Also, she had

1:18:32

worked with Woody Allen in

1:18:34

a movie that earned her an

1:18:37

oscar shortly

1:18:39

before shortly before Romey and Michelle,

1:18:42

and then she later apologized to Dylan

1:18:44

Farrow for having previously

1:18:47

praised his work and for

1:18:49

kind of ignoring Dylan Farrow

1:18:51

and the things that she had been

1:18:53

saying about Woody Allen. Mirror Servina

1:18:56

tends to be on the history

1:18:58

yes, in every way, So tip

1:19:00

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1:19:03

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