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This is Ben and Ashley I Almost

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Famous in Depth. Hello

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everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous

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podcast. It's Ashley and I am

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the solo host today with

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my guests Kaylin Miller Keys

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Welcome. Thanks for being

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here always. You're such a good constant

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in our lives. Well,

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thanks for having me. Well, we haven't talked

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to you since you and Dean

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got engaged. I know that you've given specifics

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of the engagement on Dean and Jared's

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podcast Help I Suck a Dating just

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to ironic that the two of them are now in

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very committed relationships, but they still suck a dating.

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And let me tell you, Jared does suck

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a dating because we barely go on

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dates and he's,

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Um, I don't remember the last time

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he did anything romantic for me. Now

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I'm gonna this is how I'm starting it off. Um,

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he used to be so romantic and that's how,

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like I guess, life goes. But how

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has Dean been

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romantically since you guys

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got together to now? Had there been any

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has has there been any shifts? Has he been

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romantic? Yeah?

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I think he's more romantic than me.

1:16

Um, which I wasn't expecting.

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But I'm sorry if you can hear that.

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That's his motorcycle he's taking off. Uh

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he Yeah. The start of the relationship,

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I feel like I was like more, not

1:28

more into it, but like more

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romantic. I guess it's just the best way to

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put it. And then slowly he became more

1:35

open and more vulnerable with his feelings and everything,

1:37

and now he's suddenly the more romantic

1:40

one. Oh that's so cute. What was the last romantic

1:42

thing he did besides proposed to you, because

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we'll get into that very soon. The

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last romantic thing, well, at Thanksgiving

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we did like what are you thinkful for? And then you

1:52

just said the sweet thing about how he is excited

1:55

to marry me and spend the rest of my life,

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spend of the rest of his life with me. So that

2:00

was sweet. I don't know, like romantic gesture wise,

2:02

When he's done, then yeah, see Jared

2:04

says romantic thing. He says like kind loving

2:06

things like that all the time. He's really good with words of affirmation.

2:10

But like, I'm like, almost the last time you just

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did something because

2:14

you know, just surprising with flowers,

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I don't know, I know Dean does not understand

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flowers, and I think he's gotten me flowers once

2:22

in three and a half years. They're

2:26

so nice. What would you what would be

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your ideal like romantic

2:30

gesture gift from him?

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Um, Actually, he just bought me this

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five ft tall gnome, which

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I'm like obsessed with holiday gnomes, so I'm

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looking at it right now. He like he does

2:43

little things like that where he'll surprise me with gifts.

2:45

But I don't think he likes flowers, like flowers

2:47

will be nice to come home to every once in a while. I

2:49

get. I get how guys think about flowers

2:52

though, you know, they think they die, and

2:54

you know, what's the point. I

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think the gnome is actually way more romantic

2:58

because it's very personal five

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ft. I just let if

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that's romantic, then my gesture was romantic

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as well. We

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were at home depot looking for fake Christmas

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trees and Jared saw a nine

3:13

foot grinch, a blow up one.

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And he has this thing where he loves

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cheesy holiday decor for outside.

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It's like that's what his dad was into, like plastic

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things and blow up things. And I'm like,

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this is so embarrassing. No, but

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this was so like I'm

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still like a reverence that I was just like, okay,

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yeah you you, I see you eye belong

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that get it, satisfy your

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little your Christmas elf

3:40

self and and do it. So I'm

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sure it'll be blown up in the front yard later

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this week. I'll

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get a good laugh out of it. Anyway,

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we could talk more about this later

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when we're talking about holiday traditions, because we're gonna

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do a little bonus podcast about

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our holiday traditions and favorite

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things. So right now, I

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wanted to dig a little bit deeper and of

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course into the engagement.

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So my thought is that

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you guys, it's like, wasn't

4:12

a surprise to you at all? Am I wrong? Um?

4:15

It was. I always thought he was proposing

4:18

in quiet and then he lost the engagement

4:20

ring, so then I was like, I guess

4:23

he's not proposing. But I knew he was going to

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propose by the end of the year, but losing the ring

4:27

really threw me off. So you thought he

4:30

was gonna wait until he

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found the ring or got a new one. Yeah,

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I thought he would wait until he found it. But

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like you guys, knew that you were going to get

4:40

engaged, and like you knew there were what there

4:42

was going to be a proposal because you even went and

4:44

picked out your ring. Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean it's been sitting in our drawer for like

4:49

four or five months and you've known

4:51

this Yeah yeah. Did

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you look at it in the dour Yeah?

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I have like photos of it on my hand. I

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would try it on all the time, and

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it's obviously not been lost.

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Now for those who are wondering, what

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is this about a lost ring, well,

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Dean actually lost the engagement

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ring that he was in the first place resistant

5:14

to get for Kaylin because he didn't

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want to spend money on a ring. You know, Dean a

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little a little hippie dippy kind

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of thought that it was superficial

5:24

and not worth not worth

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it, you know, but you really

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wanted the ring that you wanted, and

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he ended up I don't want

5:33

to say caving, but seeing your side,

5:36

yes, seeing my guess, seeing my side. We had

5:38

so many conversations about it. He doesn't

5:40

understand and now, like in the wedding plan aspect,

5:43

he just doesn't understand how things can cost

5:45

so much. So he's like, how could a ring cost

5:47

so much? And now that we're wedding planning, he's like, how could a

5:49

wedding cost so much. So it just about

5:51

like using him into things and like starting

5:54

small and then getting a little bigger. Was

5:56

there anything about you guys splitting the

5:58

costs of the ring? I

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just wanted to buy it because I knew he didn't want

6:03

to buy it, And I was like, there's a ring that I want,

6:06

and I and

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the breadwinner in the relationships, so why shouldn't

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I And I'm wearing the ring every day of my life.

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So I was like, I don't think it's

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right that you should pay for it. And then we came to the compromise

6:17

that I would buy him a track

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and he would buy me engagement ring. That's sweet.

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Were they on par? Price? Was? Yeah,

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well I put down a down payment and

6:27

then yeah, he's paying off theirs. That's

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so nice. So the ring

6:32

you had been eyeing for a while,

6:35

when did you actually say like,

6:37

okay, let's get it. Um

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he came home one day,

6:43

Yeah, he I found

6:46

the ring and then it was purchased by a jeweler

6:49

and they were like, all right, you just sent to pay for it. So I sent him

6:51

the link to pay for it, and then he's like,

6:53

no, I want to buy it from somewhere else. I still

6:55

to this day have no idea where he got it from. So then

6:57

the jeweler had to return it back to where they purchase

7:00

a step from, and he bought it,

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and then we were on a trip. I

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think his friend took him to the airport and his friend

7:06

was like holding onto it for like three weeks

7:08

or something. Did he have

7:10

it when he climbed Mount Everest?

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No, okay, no, because it was here because because

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you're like, I tried it on during that trip. Yeah.

7:19

Yeah, I actually flew it to New York because I was going

7:21

to have my jeweler make it into a ring. And

7:23

I'm standing in front of the door and Dean's

7:25

like, no, it's my meetings at nine am.

7:28

It's eight fifty nine. And I was like, all right, I'm about

7:30

to drop it off and he's like, no, take it back, like

7:32

I want to make it. So like it was literally

7:35

about to be it's still just a loose stone wherever

7:37

it is. It was about to be made into a ring. And

7:39

then oh wait, how how

7:41

did you put a loose stone on your finger? I

7:44

was just like rest it, okay,

7:48

so you found the stone

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that you really liked, and then

7:52

the jeweler was going to

7:55

put the stone on the setting, but

7:57

he was insisted on one particular

8:00

or Julia. Was he going to get a little bargain. No,

8:03

I don't know who it was. I

8:05

don't think he was going to get any sort of discount. Also,

8:08

like we had been talking about this for months.

8:10

I was like, I'm going to New York. I'm going to drop

8:12

the ring off. We have been talking about this so much. And

8:15

then once I'm there, I like flew

8:17

it safely to New York with me. I was stressed

8:19

about it the whole time. He's like, never mind,

8:21

I want to make it, Like, how do you

8:23

just We've been talking about this for so long, But that's

8:25

kind of on part for him. So he

8:28

wanted to have something to do with the design.

8:30

Did you have the design laid out

8:32

exactly how you wanted it? Very

8:35

particular? Okay, yeah, But then

8:37

I was excited about that. I was like, it's

8:39

super sweet that you want to

8:42

do it, and I think it's more romantic now, right, Surprised

8:44

when I see it for the first year, Right, So I get that,

8:46

Like that seems like a like I

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like that that there's some sort of surprise component

8:51

to the proposal. But then

8:53

but then he goes and he loses the ring. Why

8:56

wasn't in a drunk drawer

8:58

in the kitchen just a loose

9:00

stone, I'm told I'm told

9:03

via my husband that it was a loose

9:05

stone wrapped in a napkin

9:08

in the kitchen drunk drawer. Why

9:11

wasn't this one at least in a little

9:13

jewelry case, let alone

9:15

like in a safe and some

9:17

something. Well, that's why I'm

9:19

confused where he bought it from, because that's how he

9:22

purchased it. It was just wrapped in blue

9:24

tissue paper and still as

9:26

long as it's not in the garbage somewhere, it's still wrapped

9:28

in loose tissue paper somewhere. But I

9:31

guess he came home and it was just sitting on

9:33

the counter. So I just put it in the drawer and

9:35

it sat there for months, and

9:37

then I was checking in on it periodically.

9:40

I would like go to try it on, and then I kept

9:43

hinting like, if you're going to propose by the end of the year,

9:45

this takes a while, you should probably go get it

9:47

made into a ring. And he asked me to stop

9:50

pressure him to get it made into a ring. So

9:52

I stopped asking, and I would

9:54

still check in on it periodically. I

9:56

checked one day and it was gone, so I was like, okay,

9:59

he took it to the jeweler. Um

10:01

turns out that that is when it went

10:03

missing, because the next day he was going to go

10:05

take it and he was then confused

10:07

where it was. Kaylin, I

10:11

can't get over this. And now I'm even more

10:15

mind boggled as to how this is all

10:17

happened, because my theory was

10:19

that you didn't know it was in that

10:21

drawer, and you saw like paper

10:24

or something in the drawer and you're trying to like

10:26

clean up, and then you just toss it out. How

10:29

did it actually just disappear?

10:33

It's so weird, and we spent hours and

10:35

hours. We have a camera at that points directly

10:37

like in their kitchen, has a perfect view of it. We

10:40

spent hours going through the footage and

10:42

trying to figure out when he took it, because

10:44

I wouldn't take it. It's not I have nowhere to

10:46

put it and nothing to do with it. If

10:48

I did, I would put it right back. And we cannot

10:51

find when he moved it, So I

10:53

don't know. I'm not even sure that ring

10:55

I guess like ring insurance is not even a thing

10:57

because it wasn't a real ring yet you

11:00

wouldn't have had it ensured, so you just like

11:03

thousands of dollars down the toilet.

11:06

Yeah, and he's been spending all day today working

11:08

on his motorcycle and like, why aren't you searching

11:10

for the spring? He is so nonchalant

11:13

about it. I'm like, I don't think he cares that

11:15

it's gone. This is because he doesn't

11:17

value money. Yes, seriously,

11:22

this would frustrate me to no end

11:24

if I lose, like, let's just say a set

11:27

of like hundred dollar headphones, I'll go

11:30

crazy, you know, like I

11:32

will always scour my brain, like right now,

11:35

there's one thing in this house that oh, yes,

11:37

okay, so there's a camera, baby camera.

11:39

And when we moved, I

11:42

thought that the baby camera was in a like

11:45

you know, one of the storage bins in the basement. So I

11:47

was like, oh, no problem, when I need that when

11:49

his crib goes upstairs, I'll just go

11:51

scour those bins. And now I can't

11:53

find them at all. And I think about it almost daily.

11:56

And it's like a two camera,

11:59

let alone a gem stone.

12:02

Yeah, yeah, that's how I am too, and that's

12:05

how most people are. But so

12:07

how I like, did you guys get angry and did you get

12:10

a fight about this? Because I would have gotten Yeah,

12:13

it would have been raging. I'm

12:16

trying to be very cool about this.

12:19

I tend to really stress and like, I,

12:21

yeah, we can get in fights over my stress.

12:23

And I've really tried to just be very

12:26

calm throughout this whole situation. So

12:28

far, I have been. But I'm losing patients just

12:31

because it's not even like I'm happy with the ring that

12:33

he got his replacement ring, but I'm

12:35

like, how do you lose that much money? I'm just confused.

12:50

All right, Well, let's get let's

12:52

try to get past the fact that the

12:54

ring is the stone is missing and

12:56

get to the engagement. So you

12:59

you would initially that if the ring were a thing,

13:01

that the engagement, like the actual getting

13:03

down on one knee, would be in Kauai,

13:06

a part of Hawaii. Um,

13:09

did you expect it to be when

13:12

it was after a

13:14

hike of the century, The

13:16

hike of the century, like literally one of

13:19

hike that people have died on that

13:21

experienced hikers have died on.

13:24

Um, there's apparently a very narrow pathway

13:27

between like the edge

13:30

of the mountain and like

13:33

the ocean. Right, yeah,

13:36

so explain that whole

13:38

day to me. Um,

13:42

yeah, I gosh

13:44

it was. It ended up being a great

13:46

day, but like leading up to it, it was miserable.

13:49

I was miserable, and a week before

13:51

I started googling like what should I pack,

13:53

what should I bring? What should I know? And

13:56

that is when I started to freak out because people

13:58

are like, this is not for office hikers.

14:00

And I have hiped, but I don't enjoy

14:02

hiking. I'm not in hiking shape.

14:05

Um. It's just like a specific type of shape

14:08

that you need to be in that I am not in. And

14:10

I'm very clumsy, Like i feel like my

14:13

center of gravity is off, so I'm always like tripping,

14:16

Oh my gosh. And there's like no

14:18

railing nothing, there's

14:20

nothing. It's just like a drop off and if

14:22

you fall, you die. Did

14:25

you hug like the mountain

14:28

the entire time? Just hand palms on

14:30

the mountain during that section, That's

14:32

exactly how it was. I was like hugging the wall

14:35

and bring across. Um.

14:38

Yeah, it was terrible, And I was

14:40

really mean to Dean right before

14:42

he proposed, and I told him I would

14:44

never hike with him again for the rest of our lives. Um.

14:47

I just kept asking, and I was like, how could you do this

14:50

to me? I'm looking back on it, I'm like,

14:52

I was so dramatic, but I really thought

14:55

I couldn't do it and I could potentially

14:57

die. How Like, Okay,

14:59

so you were mad because once you got to

15:01

that spot, the spot that he actually

15:03

got down on one knee, is like the end

15:06

of the hike, right, and it's like the final

15:08

destination that everybody loves to go and

15:10

see. So you had

15:12

finished half the hike because

15:14

you got there, and then you still had to go back where

15:16

you mad at him because you really thought that you were

15:19

in danger on it. Um,

15:22

yeah, we were. We were

15:24

still lit about two miles from the beach, I

15:26

think two or three miles, and

15:29

so the whole time, I was thinking, if I can't even

15:31

do this now, like I then have to hike out

15:33

tomorrow, how am I going to do this again?

15:35

And so that's when I started to panic. I was like, maybe I can

15:37

do this once, but I can't do it twice. That's where

15:39

a lot of the anchor came from. Okay, so it's

15:42

twenty two mile hike right, eleven

15:44

miles to the beach and eleven miles back and

15:47

it's the same trail. Yeah,

15:50

you do have to do it exactly all over again.

15:53

Yes, How it's

15:55

interesting that you say that you're

15:58

not a hiker, you're not a fan

16:00

of hiking, because I feel like that's all Dean

16:02

has you do on vacation, I

16:05

know, And all I want to do is

16:07

like tan or shop or just

16:09

like lounge around. And he everywhere

16:12

we go we either have to be rock climbing or hiking.

16:15

Do you guys compromise on that? Yeah?

16:18

I feel like we hike maybe once every

16:20

trip, and then we do everything and I want to do for the rest

16:22

of the tether. All right, well that's good. Okay.

16:24

So he gets down on one knee by

16:27

doing something really cool. Can you explain

16:29

how he got it all on camera? Yes?

16:32

So he set up his tripod and we

16:35

always take That's the only way we get photos together is

16:37

if we set it up on our tripod and just have an auto

16:39

shoot. So that wasn't like I

16:41

wasn't suspecting anything. Um,

16:43

and then he walks over and we're like taking photos

16:46

and kissing and doing like how we normally take

16:48

photos, very romantic, and then

16:50

he was like I saw this TikTok because he was filming

16:52

on his phone too, and he was like, let's

16:54

stand back to back and then we'll spin and face

16:56

each other. So we did that two or three times,

16:59

and then he pulled out the ring and

17:01

got down a winning He pulled

17:03

out the ring. Oh yeah,

17:05

he gotta he got it's not. The

17:11

day before we left, he went to a jeweler

17:13

and then picked this one up. Oh that's so cute.

17:16

So you do have something. Oh

17:18

I love that. Oh yeah

17:21

that's so cool. Like this is

17:23

fine, Like I don't care, but I

17:25

just can't believe that much money is lost.

17:30

You'll get it, You'll you'll find a way. I'm

17:33

surprised that are there are

17:35

there jewelers that have reached out and said that

17:37

they'd like to do an exchange for you on social

17:39

media for a new ring. No,

17:42

none, really, after all these stories,

17:45

I think that somebody would have dollar

17:47

signs in their eyes. Someone

17:49

please, But I think so. I'm

17:52

just I'm gonna get a moisten

17:54

that ring. And is that the

17:56

lab grown? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

17:58

yeah, yeah, that just seems like a great option

18:00

these days, I know. And I wish

18:02

I knew that before him, because I never would have Boughtenden

18:05

that truck because seriously,

18:09

the Moist Night ring I think is in the same

18:12

carrot that he got is about two or three grand.

18:15

Really, yeah, and it looks

18:17

the same. There's gonna be I'm

18:20

going to say that, like engagements going forward,

18:23

they're gonna have to be like at least those.

18:25

I know that, like it's on a totally new

18:27

thing, but I've been hearing about it so much

18:29

lately. And these rings are They're

18:32

gorgeous there. They are diamonds,

18:34

They're just not mind diamonds,

18:36

which is great for

18:39

you know the fact

18:41

that a lot of diamonds we don't know how

18:43

they got on our fenkers, you know what I mean? Right

18:45

right for sure? And I wish I would have

18:47

known this before too, because everyone

18:50

talks about how expensive wedding planning is and like weddings

18:52

aren't general And now I

18:54

spent that much money on a truck, which I could have put towards

18:56

a wedding. But it's okay. Yeah, Well I'm sure

18:58

he loves his truck. He does. You

19:02

guys are going to change your last name when

19:04

you do get married to Bell, which is

19:06

Dean's mom's last name. How

19:08

did you come up with that idea?

19:12

Dean came up with it I think a year

19:15

a year or two ago. We were with his family,

19:17

and I think he mentioned it to me first,

19:20

and then he brought it up to his brother he was about

19:22

to get married. His brother loved the idea. Send

19:24

out their bells. His other brother

19:26

got married this past summer and they're also

19:29

bills. So we're the last ones.

19:31

No way, that's so cool. That's really sweet.

19:34

That's a really sweet dedication to his mom

19:37

um. So you have obviously started wedding

19:40

planning because you've been talking about how expensive

19:42

it is, and it is. It's very

19:44

very expensive. It's crazy,

19:46

and it's the little things that little details that will

19:48

get you. Like audio, if you

19:50

like, choose a wedding venue that's not an act

19:53

like your traditional wedding venue, you'll

19:55

need to pay for audio, You'll need to pay for

19:57

lighting, all these things that you don't

19:59

really think and those are like in the thousands.

20:02

It's so crazy. So

20:04

what are you guys planning? Like what

20:06

kind of wedding? I can only imagine Dean

20:09

getting married outside.

20:12

Yeah, yeah, it'll be outside in aspen

20:15

Um, which is he decided

20:17

he wanted to get married and asked when we were going to Elope

20:19

in Italy. But then he decided, we

20:22

want our I guess we came to the decision together. We want

20:24

all our friends there. But askedmen,

20:26

it's like one of the most expensive places to have a wedding.

20:29

I've heard. Yeah,

20:31

I don't know. It's so stressful. And there's

20:33

one point. I started getting quotes because everyone

20:35

talks about it, but there's no real transparency

20:38

with it. They just say it's expensive and

20:40

that's it. And so then I started getting getting

20:43

hit with numbers and I got really overwhelmed,

20:46

and then I decided I didn't want to get married anymore.

20:48

But so

20:52

wait, why not a little like you just said

20:54

when you got hit with numbers, you didn't

20:56

want to Elope, Why can't you do

20:58

something like

21:01

with a small amount of friends Antelope,

21:04

Like, I feel like an elopement can also

21:06

be like a mini wedding.

21:10

Yeah. The problem is we're planning our engagement

21:12

party right now. In that I booked

21:14

the venue. The max is forty people,

21:17

and already I'm like, we're going to hurt so many people's

21:19

sayings yes for the engagement party,

21:21

and that's because Dean has eighty friends

21:23

that he needs to invite, So I

21:26

don't know, it's stressful. He is a

21:28

social butterfly. It is really

21:30

hard and somebody's feelings always get hurt

21:32

when it comes to weddings, whether it's bridesmaid

21:34

selection or just the invites.

21:38

Right, you

21:49

guys had like these

21:51

rumors surrounding you that you had

21:54

a wedding in Europe

21:56

years ago, or like some form

21:59

of commitment ceremony.

22:02

Is that true, because now that the engagement

22:04

has just been such a big thing, it

22:06

feels like you guys really weren't

22:08

married. No, we never

22:11

were. He just likes to say things and stir

22:13

the pot. He

22:16

got you along with it too. You were

22:18

all coy, I know,

22:20

because I never wanted to ruin his little thing. So

22:22

I was always like, yeah, maybe you

22:25

guys are really good actors.

22:27

I was convinced. I was like, yeah,

22:29

I think they're married. It's just not legal.

22:32

It's like a committed thing, you know,

22:34

like they're together for life. And there was like

22:36

some shaman situation in

22:39

would never do that. It's going to be

22:41

hard to get him to show up to the wedding. He would never do

22:43

like a commitment ceremony, He wouldn't.

22:46

I don't think so. I could never see him doing

22:48

that. But I can't see him signing legal

22:50

documents, you know. But what's

22:52

great is that he has two older brothers

22:55

and an older sister. Everyone's married except

22:57

for him. So like once he sees his older

22:59

siblings is doing things, then he's

23:01

like, okay, I could do it too. All right, Well,

23:04

before we let you go, we

23:06

have got to talk about your new podcast. So

23:09

you love crime, So you have a new

23:11

podcast with my Heart Radio. It's

23:13

called True Crime Reality,

23:16

in which you interview

23:19

reality stars about crimes that they've

23:21

gone through. I was able to listen to the first episode,

23:24

like in person, when Ben Higgins discussed

23:27

his hilarious encounter

23:29

with cocaine um in Miami as

23:32

a teenager, and it's all caught

23:34

on like the show Cops or is it Cops

23:38

and something like that, and he has

23:40

the most like non Ben Higgins

23:42

sign off. You have to listen just for

23:45

the quote that you can

23:47

somehow find on the internet out there of

23:49

Ben Higgens Ben Higgins saying something

23:52

that is so not Ben

23:54

Higgins. But anyway, Kalen,

23:56

it's your podcast, explain how

24:00

handled and some of your special guests

24:02

so far. Yeah. So Ben

24:04

Higgins was the very first guest, and it couldn't

24:06

have been better because, like

24:08

Ashley said, it was just such a non Ben's

24:11

story. Um. And so there are

24:14

like some funny crime stories, but then there

24:16

are also serious stories. Um,

24:19

we covered a murder, and we

24:21

this week we covered Graham Bund

24:23

came on and we talked about the Vegas shooting.

24:26

So yeah, it's like lighthearted

24:29

sometimes and heavier other times. And I

24:31

think this week was amazing. This is the first time

24:33

Graham has ever talked about being

24:35

in the Vegas shooting. He was on stage when

24:37

it happened and on stage,

24:40

Yeah, he was like side stage, so

24:42

he was on stage but standing just

24:45

to the side when it

24:47

all started, and he just like really

24:49

went into detail, talked about how he escaped

24:51

and then he came back to try and find his friend

24:53

and really really really

24:55

heartbreaking. Um. And

24:58

It's it's been interesting to just talk to so

25:00

many different people. I also talked to um

25:03

Tara Newell from Dirty John, who

25:07

spoiler murdered Dirty John. So

25:10

they're just some crazy story podcasts. Oh

25:13

he didn't. Yeah, And I had just watched

25:15

you know the you know, the

25:17

docuseries Dirty John. I

25:19

was like a little stars back Brier. I was like, oh my god, this

25:21

is the same girl with the same the voice.

25:24

You know, it's crazy. Well,

25:27

speaking of wedding planning, I have a great

25:29

place to suggest for you, Kalin,

25:32

or anyone planning a wedding.

25:35

It's tarrant Aa. We love Tarrania.

25:38

Jared and I have stayed there before. It's

25:40

um a luxurious ocean front destination

25:43

located on a hundred and two

25:46

acres of Palos Verdes Peninsula,

25:49

just south of Los Angeles.

25:52

There is panoramic views

25:54

of the Pacific Ocean and Catalina

25:56

Island. You can actually see It's it's pretty

25:58

amazing. Um. They have spacious,

26:01

comfortable accommodations, including over

26:04

three guest rooms, thirty one sweets

26:06

UM ocean view rooms, twenty bungalows

26:09

sorry two villas UM.

26:11

And they also have an award winning golf

26:13

course, a full service spa, and

26:16

UM an amazing wedding and

26:18

event space. So hey, when it comes

26:20

to wedding planning, put Tarana on

26:22

your list. Calin Alright,

26:24

Well, Caitlin, you are rocking

26:27

that as host, and I want

26:29

everybody to go check it out. It's

26:31

true crime reality and you

26:33

can get it wherever you get your podcasts.

26:36

Calin, thank you so much for joining us and giving us

26:38

all those details. Yes, thank

26:40

you. All right, we'll see you soon. I

26:43

guess we'll sign off the way that I were supposed to sign

26:46

off. Are you ready? Remember how we do it? Until

26:49

next time. I've been Ashley.

26:52

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26:55

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