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This is the almost famous podcast

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with I R Radio. Hi

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everybody, this is Trista and today

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I'm so low. Bob couldn't

0:10

make it. He is traveling today

0:12

and he was trying to make

0:14

it work. He I think just got to the airport

0:17

or is going to the airport and didn't want

0:19

to interrupt the interview by

0:22

jumping out of his car and going inside

0:24

and going through t s A. So, uh,

0:26

so he can't make it today. I'm really

0:29

sad. We miss you, Bob. But I'm really

0:31

excited about our guest. We've got Diana

0:33

Papas. She is one of my longtime

0:35

bachelor friends well really

0:37

kind of my sister in bachelor family. Um,

0:41

and I'm really excited to talk to her today. So Hannah,

0:43

will you please bring Diana in Hi,

0:47

beautiful h So for

0:49

everyone listening, it was Diana's birthday.

0:51

Happy, happy birthday. UM what

0:54

did you do in years young? That's

0:56

right, That's right. I'm

0:58

going to keep telling myself that, but I have to tell

1:00

you. So we just had brad on Um

1:03

well Pep'll get it. Yes, why

1:06

was that? It was great? Um?

1:08

He is just one of the nicest

1:11

people. Um, just

1:13

so sweet and it was great to talk

1:15

to him, just I mean, obviously

1:17

we can go into it. Huh. I'm

1:19

surprised he did the podcast. I

1:21

know, shocking, right, he does

1:24

not do this stuff, like he's

1:26

not on any social media

1:28

whatsoever, like, has

1:31

never been on it before. So yeah,

1:33

we were really excited to talk to him. He doesn't.

1:36

Nope, he's dating someone and

1:39

there's it seems like they're serious ish,

1:42

like they've talked about kids. But I don't know,

1:45

well, I don't know. We'll see verdicts verdicts

1:47

out and and honestly, we might

1:50

not even know if he ever gets married because

1:52

he's got on social you can't

1:54

keep up with him in anyway. He's

1:57

kind of like, I'm so glad to hear he's doing well.

1:59

I saw that Harrison posted a photo

2:01

last week of the two of them together having

2:04

lunch or something like that, and I just thought, it's

2:06

just really great. It's it's good to see him,

2:09

you know, and people still keeping

2:11

in touch with him, you know, yes,

2:14

yes, of course, it was great to talk to

2:16

him. You know. I know you're like me

2:18

and we don't wish our exes any

2:21

bad juju, but yeah, you

2:23

know, yeah, I mean he's

2:26

he's a great guy. Um. I have

2:28

nothing but love for him. Um. So, anyway,

2:31

I was going to bring up so Brad's birthday.

2:33

My fiftie, as you know, was at

2:35

the end of October and Brad's fiftie

2:38

was November ten, and so he

2:40

was talking about kind of the same vibe,

2:43

like, oh, yeah, it's just a number

2:46

or whatever. And I'm sorry.

2:48

I love that everyone's saying that. And I

2:50

know, listen, I get

2:52

it. It's better than the alternative of not having

2:54

a birthday. I understand that, but I just don't

2:57

like it. I don't like aging. You're

2:59

funny, never liked getting

3:01

older. No, what I mean,

3:03

that's you do this every year. I

3:05

know our group text and we're

3:07

we're wishing everyone a happy birthday. You do this

3:10

every year. You do not like to

3:12

get and that's okay. A lot of

3:14

people are that way, and right

3:16

with that means a lot of things, because we

3:19

are human, right, and

3:21

that comes with a lot of changes, and

3:24

for women in particular, physical changes,

3:26

and those things hard to like look at ourselves

3:29

differently, or see our bodies changing, or or

3:32

or peoples or gray

3:34

hair or all of it. That's hard to do.

3:38

Those things embrace those things and feel good about

3:40

those things, do you know what I mean? Gaining weight,

3:43

everything changing, Like it's hard to

3:45

steel be positive with those things because

3:47

you still want to feel really beautiful. But

3:50

honestly, I'm with Brad like I

3:53

feel pretty good. You know, I don't

3:55

know to go back to right.

4:00

I would go back to that body any right,

4:05

honestly, at any time, but like

4:07

totally like as a person emotionally

4:10

and like my mental well being

4:12

and just being more secure

4:15

in who I am at this, you

4:17

know, with that comes like, hey, it

4:21

is not about how many friends you have, It's about

4:23

the quality of the few that you do have. And like,

4:27

I don't know that I understood that when I was younger,

4:29

you know, right right now, I

4:31

have a lot of conversations with Blake Sleeve about that

4:33

because and pardon me for having a

4:36

hot slash right when you were talking about ages.

4:38

It was in therapy esday on my birthday.

4:41

I went to therapy, which is a

4:43

per sanity your

4:46

birthday, and I was like, yeah, a little birthday sanity,

4:48

I need it, hey, sitting

4:50

in there and it was, I swear to God. Halfway

4:52

through it was like sweating and I was like, I'm sorry,

4:55

is it is? Do you have the heat on? Why is it a hundred

4:57

and five degrees in here? Because well you are forty one.

5:00

I was like, damn it,

5:02

damn it smokes, that's

5:04

really happening. Is that the first

5:06

one you've ever had? Yeah?

5:09

I mean it was oh my gosh,

5:11

yeah, it was really hot. And there in my defense, yeah,

5:15

she just she just was fine with

5:17

it. No. I they are not fun, but

5:19

you know, I yes, the physical stuff is

5:22

not fun to deal with. But I will say just

5:24

feeling older in terms of my body

5:27

and what I can do is such a

5:29

bummer. Like I hate being

5:31

in pain, like having back pain or knee

5:33

pain, or my body just doesn't

5:36

work as well. A tough year

5:38

too, Yeah, just

5:41

health wise in general. Both you and Ryan like

5:43

that's those things are just tough and it is

5:45

a route awakening to realize that we just don't bounce

5:47

back as quickly as we used to. Totally

5:50

that that is such a downer to

5:52

me because I used to like, hey, I

5:54

you know, go whatever, not

5:56

work out and eat whatever I wanted,

5:58

and then I'd be like, go go back to the gym, and

6:01

two weeks later I'd been right back where

6:03

I started. Not anymore. Even

6:05

if I go like two days, which I

6:07

never do. If I did two days

6:09

at the gym, it would still take me like six

6:12

months at least. I never

6:14

do. I don't ever. You

6:16

don't ever work out. I mean

6:19

a little bit here. Oh my gosh,

6:23

come on, I've gained like fifteen pounds, like

6:25

I am. I'm the heaviest that I've ever been in

6:27

my entire life. I can't tell you the last time I've seen my

6:29

six pack. But like, I just but

6:34

I guess I'm kind of just in this place

6:36

of where just like accepted, I just

6:39

I just want to get like my mental health

6:41

and my emotional well being together.

6:44

I just do what feels good right now. And if that means

6:47

I work out, then that's greatly.

6:49

I'm totally fine with that too. If I go to I

6:51

don't work out, you know, sometimes

6:54

that's okay, all right, right, I'm

6:56

just doing what feels good. I'll get out and walk a

6:58

lot. I do enjoy that, enjoy

7:00

to get out and walk my dog and listen to a podcast.

7:03

So I do try to at least do that. But

7:05

yeah, really, at the end of the day, I

7:07

had two martinis at dinner last night, and I feel like

7:09

I need a nap, like for the night. I know

7:12

that too, Like I,

7:15

Yeah, alcohol, we don't drink a lot of

7:17

alcohol, but still when we do,

7:19

I feel it. Even if I have

7:21

a glass of wine at night, I

7:24

feel like a little sluggish the next day. It's

7:26

not bad, but I want

7:28

to go back to bed right now, yeah, right,

7:31

while you're not allowed. We're going to talk for a little

7:33

bit longer. Um,

7:36

But I do you, you know, I

7:38

I love that you are in a place of acceptance

7:41

and happiness and doing

7:43

what feels right for you. That's what everyone should do,

7:46

and even when you're younger. Like I was about

7:48

to say, with Blakesley, I have had

7:50

so many conversations because she is

7:52

a teenager, talking about

7:55

quality of friendship and as

7:57

opposed to quantity, like it is

8:00

much more important to surround yourself

8:02

with people who lift you up rather

8:04

than um just having the

8:06

numbers, you know. I We talked

8:09

about that constantly, and I think it is

8:11

a hard learning lesson. Even

8:13

at fifty, I feel like there are definitely

8:15

times when when I

8:18

get um, I'm sad because

8:21

I feel left out of something or you

8:23

know, but everyone has families

8:25

and their own lives,

8:28

and it's just hard these days. People are busy.

8:31

People are busy. Yeah, I think the other like

8:35

hard lesson. I mean, I

8:37

am trying to implement implement this

8:39

with my own children, but it's

8:42

been a hard lesson for me in the last probably

8:45

year and a half. In particular, is on

8:49

the same concept of how many people, right, how

8:51

many friends you have? It's not quantity,

8:53

right, it's the quality. And I think that it

8:55

is so important to be truly

8:59

and fully loved, holy

9:02

and authentically for who you truly are. Do

9:04

you know the good and the

9:06

bad? Right? Still have

9:09

good and bad And we're all a product

9:11

of how we were raised. And no

9:13

one is perfect, and you know we have strengths

9:15

and we have weaknesses. And it's truly

9:18

important to be around

9:20

and surround yourself with people who

9:23

fully love you for

9:26

who you are alifically holy.

9:28

Right, we're children of God and He loves us

9:30

as broken as we are. That should

9:32

be done. And if you are

9:34

not being surrounded by those

9:37

kind of people, you need to reevaluate

9:39

your situation and your friendships.

9:41

And I'm all right with that. I'm alright

9:43

with people who are willing to put

9:45

on the boots and walk through the ship like those yes,

9:48

those are the kind of yes I want to be friends with because

9:50

that's the kind of person I am, right fault,

9:54

and I love so truly

9:56

deeply that that's just who I

9:58

am. Like that's the kind of friend I am, And

10:00

that's the kind of friends that I want. And I

10:02

got so important and I want that for my children. I

10:04

want that same for anyone.

10:07

You know, say it has to be

10:10

it's very intentional, Like I feel like the word of

10:12

the last couple of years has been intentional, Like

10:15

you know, focus your intentions on those

10:18

who do lift you up and who

10:20

support you and accept you and

10:23

all of those things. So yeah, I love

10:25

you for that. Loyalty, relationships

10:27

and refinement. That's what right

10:30

to make other people happy, that's

10:33

not what we're meant to do. Relationships,

10:35

and I mean across the board, marriage, you

10:38

know, significant others, friendships. It's

10:40

about refinement. It is not about

10:44

making someone happy or changing

10:46

someone. It's about refinement totally.

10:49

And I feel like these days I

10:51

am just trying to get through

10:53

it, like I you know what

10:55

I mean. Like there are times when

10:58

like yesterday, for ex ample, I got

11:00

my hair done. Um, you know, go into

11:02

the hair solan air looks so good today, thanks.

11:06

Thanks. So

11:09

I go and I get my hair done, and it's always a

11:11

day that Ryan hates because I

11:13

am gone for so. I mean, you know, as

11:15

a woman, well you probably don't because you get

11:17

a little highlights, but you don't have to do anything

11:19

because you have gorgeous hair and probably

11:22

not a lot of gray must be where they start

11:24

right underneath here this is oh

11:26

yes, or just right at the top, there's like

11:28

a I was

11:33

who I was like, what are all theys coming from?

11:36

Stress up life? Anyway,

11:38

So I was gone most of the day

11:41

and he hates the day, and of course I get

11:43

home later on in the day and this

11:45

is of course after I go picked blakes Lee up

11:47

and I from

11:49

a friends who she had a sleepover with, like all

11:51

these things, you know, right, went to the gym,

11:54

come home and I'm like, do you want to

11:56

do anything? And he's like, I just want to hang

11:58

out with my wife, you know, like beautiful.

12:03

I know. I'm

12:06

like, you know what, some days I just gotta

12:08

have a me day and put time

12:10

in. I'm sorry that I can't be around a hundred

12:12

percent of the time to make you happy. But

12:15

um, you know, sometimes I just gotta take

12:17

some time for me. So yeah, it's it's

12:19

so true, so

12:21

do it. Yeah, that's right. Okay, So

12:24

tell me about what's going on in your life

12:26

lately. I know you do the podcast with Jessica.

12:29

Um are you blogging still?

12:32

I know you're flying, So tell me what's going

12:34

on. I have not been doing

12:36

any of those things. You haven't.

12:40

Well, you did fly recently. I know I'm

12:42

still working quite a bit, and I

12:44

feel really lucky to work for one family

12:46

in particular, who I just genuinely

12:49

love. I've been with them for a really long time and they're really good

12:51

to me, and they're really good to my family. Yeah, tell

12:54

tell everyone what you do, though, because I don't think everyone

12:56

I know, everyone is always so shocked to

12:58

hear the real job. I'm like, I

13:02

am a real person. That

13:05

is fascinating when people write me on social media, Like

13:07

if if I post that I have been flying

13:09

or whatever, I still get people who email

13:11

me or sorry DM me and say, wow,

13:14

you work, And I'm like, how

13:17

could I not? There are

13:19

built bills around here, like mortgage

13:22

if you know, living in the state

13:24

of California, but it is really high.

13:26

Yeah. Yeah, I

13:29

am a corporate flight attendant. I have done it,

13:31

and for those who don't know, it means private

13:33

aviation. I work in private aviation.

13:35

I can't imagine working for Delta passing

13:37

out peanuts and a right

13:40

especially coming from where you're coming from, it

13:42

would be awesome. Addison, maybe

13:46

she'll follow in mommy's footsteps. Yeah, so

13:48

I work in private aviation and

13:51

I like the freedom of it because I genuinely

13:53

am a foodie. I like to cook and

13:56

or will taste anything that I make, So I

13:59

get to cook and do that in flight, which

14:01

I really appreciate. And then also the

14:03

whole concept of being able to travel and stay in a

14:05

hotel and go places

14:08

that I want to go all by myself. Um

14:12

so I've done that for gosh

14:14

eleven years now, eleven years. I

14:16

had some I have, like

14:18

this transitional period of time after I did the Bachelor

14:20

Rep where it really wasn't sure what to do with my life.

14:24

I think we all do. Yeah. Yeah, it's

14:26

weird because you're a normal person,

14:28

but you're also put in this place where it's hard for you

14:30

to do normal things.

14:33

So I couldn't do real estate anymore because

14:36

I just had strange people who wanted to hang out

14:38

with me and were utilizing my time, yes

14:40

to get to meet me and pretend to buy

14:42

a house, you know what I mean. And then it just wasn't safe

14:44

for me to go out alone right show

14:46

houses anymore. So that was hard because

14:49

I was still pretty young and I was

14:51

really good at it and I just didn't know what to

14:53

do. So and then, as you know

14:55

this trusted with the opportunities that come after

14:58

the past. I got to do of

15:00

really cool things like I got to work

15:02

on the Red Carpet, and I hosted a television show,

15:04

and I got to go to Iraq

15:07

twice, in Afghanistan twice to visit the

15:09

troops, and just opportunities

15:12

that I really enjoyed

15:14

and that I didn't want to turn down. So then this

15:17

period of time where I was like, oh, do

15:19

I want to continue a life in television?

15:21

Like what do I want to do at thirty years old?

15:23

You know, I didn't

15:25

like the concept of

15:28

people willing to go over whoever

15:30

they could to get on top. And

15:32

I couldn't get packed that because at my core, I

15:35

am not that person and I

15:38

didn't want to compete for that. Like

15:41

I just wanted to feel full, and I wanted to be happy,

15:43

and I wanted to have a career that I enjoyed. I

15:45

would like to make some money, you know what I mean.

15:48

But like I couldn't. I couldn't deal with that.

15:50

I couldn't deal with the competition or walking

15:52

into every E News audition and sitting there

15:54

before other bachelorettes. You know,

15:57

whoever was it was popular at the time got the job.

16:00

You know, it didn't matter. We were whoever

16:02

was popular at the time. And so I

16:04

just didn't like how

16:06

it made me feel and where

16:09

it was going. So it doesn't

16:11

mean that I don't still do things like that. If something

16:13

really awesome falls into my lap, then I

16:16

will still take those opportunities. But it

16:18

has to feel right for me, and it has to go right for my family,

16:21

partially in a career I pursued anymore. So

16:23

I had some friends who are in the business and we're willing to turn

16:25

in my application for me. And before

16:28

the Bachelorette, I had had a long history and

16:30

service industry and that's really all I am. I'm a glorified

16:32

server in the air. And also

16:35

that's how fun. Yeah, I

16:38

like really enjoy it. So I've been working a lot, long

16:40

story short of and working a lot and traveling, which

16:42

takes up a lot of time, and then yeah, and finding

16:44

that when I'm away and I come home, I

16:46

really just want to soak up my time with my family, so

16:49

it's hard to to squeeze

16:51

in those other things where I really

16:53

enjoyed the creative pieces of blogging.

16:55

I still have my website, but I haven't done anything

16:58

in a really long time. And and

17:00

the podcast too. We're just on a break. I'm not

17:02

really sure what's happening there, and I

17:04

kind of feel free without it, do you know what I mean?

17:07

Of course, that's how it happened to me. Yeah,

17:10

we recorded down in Beverly Hills, So

17:12

you know, I enjoyed it. I don't

17:15

just don't know. I'm a bit of a transitional face,

17:17

so I'm not sure what. But yeah,

17:20

as much as I travel and when I come home, I want to spend

17:22

all of my time with the kids. And that

17:24

comes down to even like you know,

17:26

social media stuff like I really kind of a veered

17:28

away from doing any kind of sam

17:31

like paid post because it's

17:33

not worth my time or

17:36

hurt, and I'm kind of like my goal and it

17:38

takes a lot of time. Yeah, my goal

17:40

is to be an influencer. That's not my

17:42

goal. That's that has been my

17:44

goal. Like problem sharing,

17:47

you know, products or things that I truly

17:49

feel good about or like passionate

17:51

about. Like I don't do it just for the check.

17:53

I'm not willing to sell my life

17:56

for a paycheck. Like that's not who I am. So,

17:59

I you know, I don't know. I think

18:01

I'm just like I'm trying to figure myself

18:04

out again. Yeah, I feel the sway

18:07

a self help journey.

18:09

I'm reading all of the books. I don't know,

18:11

if you want to show you. Yes,

18:14

these for my girlfriend, for

18:16

my girlfriends. I follow this girl on Instagram.

18:19

That's how we heal. Yeah, and

18:22

she is like a self help like account.

18:24

But she you know, anyway,

18:27

I totally got like what do

18:29

they call it? What do the kids call it these days? TikTok TikTok.

18:32

I bought it. I got it. The kids call it,

18:35

you know what I mean. But it's it's a self help book, and it's

18:37

a self healing book. And she posts a lot of uh

18:41

inspirational things on Instagram.

18:43

And so I started her a long time ago

18:46

and really love it stuff that she put

18:48

out. So I think that's where I'm at. I'm in a bit of a

18:51

self healing journey. Do

18:53

you know what, I think that's awesome. I really

18:56

like that. I

19:08

love that you are willing

19:10

to talk about it openly and

19:12

say, you know what, I want

19:15

to make sure my life is a quality

19:18

I'm having a quality life, you

19:20

know, and why not go on a

19:22

self help journey. I've always felt like it was

19:26

so interesting that people don't

19:28

talk about when they because

19:30

I'm I'm an open book, you know that, like if I'm

19:32

having a bad day. In general has

19:35

just been so telling for a long time. And

19:37

also I think that kind of transitioned

19:40

right around the COVID time where so many people struggling.

19:43

People either thrived or they were they were

19:45

a mess. Do you know what I mean? We

19:48

thankfully thrived during COVID.

19:51

I loved nothing good being locked in my

19:53

house with Stephen and our kids, like it was

19:56

years of my life. Like I loved it. It It was the first

19:58

time ever that we were home at

20:00

the same time. I got to have dinner every single night

20:02

with her. Do you know what I mean, I

20:05

loved not having to over commit

20:07

myself and go out there or do anything

20:09

and just be able to be with my kids every single

20:11

night. I like that, but

20:13

I realized it was not that for a lot of people.

20:16

So mental health and mental

20:18

health awareness and suicide

20:20

prevention, all of that has

20:22

has been brought to such a light

20:25

in the last couple of years,

20:27

where it was so taboo to talk about

20:29

before, Like, hey, I'm mentally

20:31

I'm struggling right now in face and

20:34

I so appreciate people who are not scared

20:36

to say that right now. And I'm like, I

20:39

pretty pride myself on the fact that I've always

20:41

been an open book, Like I don't really have a lot

20:43

to hide. There are obviously things

20:45

that I keep close to my heart, and when I'm ready, I

20:48

will share things. That's just that's

20:51

how I process. But we

20:53

all have pieces of

20:56

trauma now, whether it was like big

20:59

pieces of trauma or little pieces of trauma. Well,

21:01

myself, I've been through a lot of trauma. My mom

21:03

died when I was really young, and that is hard.

21:06

That causes deep rooted abandonment

21:09

issues. Like I'm pretty self aware

21:11

of the things that I carry, and that

21:14

a place where I want to like fine tune

21:16

those things and I want to I

21:20

want to work on those things like right now, to

21:22

be the best version

21:25

of myself. I keep

21:27

saying this authentically for who I am,

21:30

and I truly understand that I have

21:32

my things too, Like I can be really loud,

21:35

and I can die away

21:37

from the conflict I do not. I'm

21:39

pretty smart and I can handle myself. And I

21:42

believe in the things that I'm passionate

21:44

about the things that I believe in. And you know, like

21:47

I have a daughter, now you know this, Trista, Like I want

21:50

a strong young woman

21:52

who is not afraid to stand up for what

21:54

she believes in and knows her self

21:57

worth and is proud herself. That

21:59

is incordant to me. So for sure, self

22:03

self awareness journey here I am. I

22:05

I love it. I honestly I think

22:07

that we all should be on a self awareness journey

22:09

all the time. Um yeah, I'm

22:11

I'm an open book too. I have shared

22:14

many conversations with you about how

22:16

I'm having a bad time or a bad day or

22:18

whatever is going on, and

22:21

and it it always is shocking to me

22:23

when other people don't, like you

22:25

know what I mean. And maybe not shocking.

22:28

You don't have to do this alone. Right.

22:31

If you're having a bad day, it's okay. If you feel fat,

22:33

it's okay. Totally unworthy,

22:35

it's okay those things. But

22:37

the whole, the whole point is that we are not

22:40

meant to do this alone, right, I

22:42

mean, across the board life in general,

22:44

we are not meant to do this alone. We are meant

22:47

community. And you should be able

22:50

to lean on those people,

22:52

your friends, your family, your husband, whoever

22:54

that is. You should not being on those

22:56

people and be your true authentic self. And that means

22:58

if you're having a bad day or your having terrible

23:02

thoughts about your own self, your body, your emotions are turning

23:04

fifty one or whatever that is, like you're

23:06

allowed to voice that and you should feel and

23:09

you should feel supported. Right, No,

23:11

agreed, And then back to the influencer stuff.

23:14

Like I feel the same way. I

23:16

will scroll on Instagram, but I

23:18

don't post as much just because

23:20

I feel like it is so consuming

23:24

in terms of time and energy

23:26

and a lot of negativity,

23:28

and so I don't spend as much

23:30

time as I use to. I mean, I like you

23:33

if there's if there's authenticity

23:36

when it comes to posting um,

23:38

you know, doing campaigns with companies and

23:41

helping them get the word out about their companies.

23:43

I'm all for it, but it

23:46

can't just be a paycheck for me. Like I

23:48

remember Blakesley, Um,

23:50

maybe she didn't say it, but it was

23:52

kind of uh insinuated

23:55

that she'd want to be an influencer, and I was like,

23:57

no, no, no no if

24:00

that hit me too when I caught Addison

24:02

recording videos of herself on the iPad, going hey

24:04

guys, nope,

24:07

nope, no,

24:09

no, this will not be a goal like if you.

24:12

I feel like both of us landed

24:15

in it. You know, it wasn't

24:17

around when we were on the Bachelorette,

24:19

and so it

24:21

wasn't like we're um like Caitlin

24:24

or Hannah or it's like two million

24:26

people from that yes, yes,

24:29

isn't. I think Twitter

24:32

launched the day that my

24:35

season of the Bachelorette was done. Er really,

24:37

I mean, like I didn't have to leave that

24:40

era. And I always think, I'm sure

24:42

you can sympathize with this with some of the newer women

24:44

who go on the show. Yeah, we didn't.

24:47

I wasn't followed by paparazzi. I didn't

24:49

feel this innate pressure to

24:52

physically be a certain size or

24:54

a certain shift or a certain hair color.

24:57

Like I didn't feel that because there

24:59

were there paparazzi hiding in Noon

25:01

and Georgia. Like I went back to my home. My

25:03

pass were never to go on a show and become

25:06

a famous person. That was not totally stupid

25:08

as it sounds. And I say this over and over again every

25:10

time I talked to somebody or in every interview. I went

25:12

on the show for the right reasons, right, genuinely

25:16

fine love. I gotta say, stupid

25:19

as it sounds, it's not stupid. Well,

25:21

some people look at that like it's stupid because the girls are making

25:24

lots of money now, like lots of things. And I

25:26

didn't ask for any of those things because

25:28

it wasn't a thing back then. It wasn't

25:31

a thing. I

25:42

will say though. We did have paparazzi

25:45

following us, and I had people knocking

25:48

on our door. People found our house,

25:50

and I remember a

25:52

mother and a daughter they showed

25:55

up at my door with a magazine like wanted

25:57

to get Yeah. It was like, wait,

25:59

how did you know? I was

26:01

like, how did you find my address? Um

26:03

immediately called the phone company take my

26:06

number off, Like not that we've we

26:08

had already done that, but it's just it's just

26:10

and especially now with children too, it is a source

26:12

of protection. I

26:14

tried to be live

26:17

a very normal life and you know you

26:19

feel the same, trusta It's always it's

26:23

always very flattering when someone still recognizes

26:26

you from this, It is flattering.

26:28

I am always very happy when

26:30

people see me in the grocery store, yes, no

26:32

makeup, looking like a hot mess, and are not afraid

26:34

to come up and say hello. I totally that

26:38

say, oh my gosh, I enjoyed watching your season.

26:41

I like following you on social media. It's so nice

26:43

to meet you, Like I will absolutely hug

26:45

you, say it's nice to meet you too. Um, totally.

26:48

It kind of throws

26:50

me through a loop when I'm

26:53

seeing like at school or something at school pick

26:56

up and to my

26:58

kids, yeah no, I Dia.

27:00

Addison's just now at the age where she's like, somebody

27:02

told me you were on TV, you know, Like, but they don't they

27:04

don't know you haven't told him, well

27:07

they know that. I mean, Austin

27:09

could care less, Like he's literally playing the same

27:11

as Max right now. Yeah, he does not care.

27:14

They recognized certain things like

27:16

when we've had film crews at the house to film

27:18

it's watch it. The only

27:20

thing that happened was when Netflix released

27:24

it was The Bachelor and Bachelor, but they re leased a couple

27:26

of seasons and someone told me about it,

27:28

and it was like there was a like a screen

27:30

cap above the season of me kissing

27:32

Jason Mesnick and Addison. Who's

27:35

that man? And why are you kissing

27:37

him? Not my daddy? And I was like, this is

27:39

how do I explained that? Oh? My gosh right,

27:42

you know, so I just I do if she asked,

27:44

and I don't. Like.

27:46

Like, she got in the car a couple of weeks ago from school

27:49

and she goes, Mommy, why don't you tell me you were

27:51

famous? And I was like started laughing.

27:53

First off, Christmas because you know me and you know me. I

27:56

was like, first off, I am not famous,

27:59

I'm not us. Second

28:01

off, why are you asking that? She

28:03

goes, oh, well someone told me at school and

28:06

I was like, well, who that's that's

28:08

strange, And she was like, I don't know. Somebody

28:10

told me at school that their mommy saw you

28:13

saw her at school and their mommy told

28:15

me that she was on TV and you guys are famous,

28:17

and I was like, oh my god, oh

28:19

my god. Like, so there's

28:21

a couple of I may feel a

28:24

little guarded then,

28:26

you know, because there is a piece of and

28:29

I'm sure you can relate to this, there's a piece of going on the show

28:31

where people think they know

28:33

who you are, really know

28:36

who you are? Do you know what they

28:39

of me? Television show that millions

28:41

of people watched, but it doesn't mean

28:43

that they truly know me. So I've actually

28:45

found, like in my adult life, that

28:48

I tend to be pretty guarded.

28:50

If someone comes out of the gate and says, oh my gosh,

28:52

I saw you on the Bachelor and I totally watched your season,

28:55

I immediately become guarded. I

28:57

feel like a I can't be vulnerable,

29:00

yeah right, I can't be who

29:02

I truly am because these people have this

29:04

preconceived notion of who they think I am.

29:07

Yeah right. And there's social media, so

29:09

if they take a picture or if they

29:11

take a video and you have resting

29:13

bitch base and you're not smiling, you're a

29:16

raging bitch and exactly like

29:20

to each their own again, take

29:22

me happy, Like I'm just trying to please me. So

29:24

so that's that. And then this

29:26

is a quick funny story. Well

29:29

I started on this tangent because you had texted

29:31

me and asked if I was watching Bachelor in Paradise,

29:33

and like, this is why I'm not because

29:35

I have no free time. I would like to watch Paradise.

29:37

I do really enjoy it. I have

29:40

not been able to watch this season at all because I just don't

29:42

have a lot of free time. And I go to bed at the clock

29:44

when I put my kids to bed. So there's

29:46

but good for you. Yeah,

29:48

I like a solid twelve hours night. Yes,

29:51

amazing. There was a situation

29:53

that happened a couple of weeks ago where we

29:56

have a cleaning lady. She comes every two weeks and it's

29:58

been one thing that Stephen and I don't ever fight

30:00

about is keeping house clean.

30:02

So I will will pay for it. Like

30:06

I work full time too, I don't have time

30:08

right to clean the house. It is money well

30:10

spent to me. She's been with

30:12

us and cleaning her home for several years, like five years

30:15

or something like that. And I didn't

30:17

know that you could change

30:19

your venmo to be private so that people

30:21

can't see you know, your pay history or whatever.

30:23

Oh yes, right,

30:26

so I didn't know that it's changed now,

30:28

but so I sent her a venmo

30:30

to pay her one time for cleaning my home.

30:32

And then like two weeks later she was over

30:34

and she was they were kind of laughing, her and another girl,

30:37

and I was like, what are you laughing at? And they were like, well, we found

30:39

out you were on TV. And I was like, that's so weird.

30:41

How and she goes, well, another woman's house

30:43

that I clean. I saw

30:45

your house and I was like,

30:47

oh god, how would she know that? And she was like

30:50

I don't know, but she asked me if I cleaned your house,

30:52

and then she was asking me things like do you have a nice

30:54

house? Are you? And oh my god, it

30:57

was like yikes, wrong,

30:59

wrong, wrong. I was like, well right, and she was

31:01

like no. I just told her that your guys are great and your kids are great,

31:03

like you're really nice people. But like this woman

31:06

said, will you give her my number so that we can hang out?

31:08

And he likes like really,

31:11

oh my, that is bold,

31:14

like kind of over the not not even

31:16

kind of over the line. Bold. Yeah.

31:19

I literally was like, no, please, don't give out my phone

31:21

number? Oh yeah,

31:23

or you will be fired. Yeah. Anyway,

31:26

she was really nice about it. You know,

31:28

this woman is really nice to you know. Blah blah blah. She

31:30

just of the show that you were

31:32

on, and I was like, yeah, I totally totally

31:34

get that. I understand that. I get that. Yeah,

31:37

yeah, there's just you know, then I go

31:39

into that place where I'm immediately guarded, you

31:41

know, yes, yes, Okay, well now

31:43

I can't be me. I can't be who I truly

31:45

ain't right, So were you thinking

31:47

of um hiring someone else?

31:50

Isn't that like, because I can imagine

31:52

that. Okay, good, and she

31:54

does such a great job and I trust her. Yeah,

31:58

please don't tell people where it so one

32:02

like on venmo. That's how she found out that

32:04

that she cleaned our crazy It

32:06

was public on NMO that I had. Yes, yes,

32:09

I guess she went to venmo her and then she saw on the

32:11

paid history that like I have recently been mode

32:13

her. It's weird, you know

32:16

her. Okay, I am doing that, like

32:18

immediately after I get off the phone and I'm making

32:20

it private. It was like, oh my god, let's change your

32:22

venmodor private right now so people can't see those things.

32:24

Yeah. Yeah, there's no reason that anyone needs

32:27

to know that I'm paying my daughter's

32:29

friend's mom for snacks. Like, um,

32:34

okay, I know you're not doing the

32:38

the podcast anymore, but or you're

32:40

kind of on a little break, but I'd love

32:42

to hear. I know, you guys basically

32:44

just shared everything like there was lots of laughter.

32:47

Is there one story that stands out that

32:49

you can share with us from from

32:52

the podcast? It's called Flashbacks

32:54

People. By the way, if you want to go back and listen

32:56

a lot of fun, I would, I will tell you

32:58

that, Like I like that it is a really lighthearted

33:00

show. We the whole address. I

33:03

am definitely more of a serious person than

33:06

Jessica. Like she's um,

33:08

she's just a lot of fun. Like she likes to hear like old

33:10

fun stories. She wants to hear your drunken stories.

33:13

She wants to hear when you fell down at a club, like she wants

33:15

to hear those things. Yes, I do

33:18

like to have fun and I am a funny person, but

33:20

I just am more I

33:22

just like genuinely want to be who I am.

33:25

So if I go in and I'm in that mood or

33:27

whatever, then I feel like that's okay to talk about.

33:29

And I also think that people

33:31

appreciate about me that I yeah,

33:34

I'm not fake in any way, shape or form. So totally

33:37

I'm trying to think because we've had a lot of really

33:39

fun guests on and

33:41

we've heard a lot of really fun stories that there

33:44

was early on there was this

33:46

woman named jesse I think her name

33:48

was, and Jessica knew her from the Playboy

33:51

Mansion. They had I think posed years

33:53

ago or something like that. That's how I need chased each other.

33:56

But we got to laughing because she told

33:58

us a story about how, for some reason, everybody

34:00

always had a Leonardo DiCaprio story. So

34:02

like this girl in particular, she waits until the

34:04

very end of the podcast, and the podcast

34:06

was a bit serious at the time, and we talked about

34:09

her health. She had just some health stuff going on, and then Marian,

34:11

We're like, okay, well tell us like your favorite

34:13

flashback. We do that like towards the end, like do you

34:15

have a back? So hers we said, do you have a favorite

34:17

Hollywood flashback of like your time in l

34:20

A And she was like, oh, yeah,

34:22

I went to this club one time and then I slept with

34:24

you know, DiCaprio and I'm pretty sure he might be my son's

34:26

father. And we were like,

34:29

I'm sorry, you just went

34:31

this whole hour on this podcast without

34:33

telling us that you slept with Leonardo DiCaprio,

34:36

which you think his

34:39

crime. You know what I mean. It was about twenty years ago,

34:42

and now I have a son who looks

34:44

oddly a lot like Leonardo DiCaprio.

34:46

Did you ever follow up with her or did Jessica

34:49

ever talk to her afterwards and see if she did a fraternity

34:53

No? No, I think she was like quasi joking,

34:55

but she's one of those people like you can't tell if she's joking

34:57

or not. She

34:59

was like she's like six foot and she's like blond

35:01

and beautiful and does yoga yes body.

35:05

But I start following her on social media and she'll post

35:07

pictures of her son and I'm literally like, oh

35:09

my god, he he could be Leonardo

35:11

to cap your son like he's and he's about that

35:13

age where like this could have happened around the same time.

35:16

So anyway, we got to laughing so hard because

35:18

it seemed like every time we had a guest on,

35:21

someone had a story of Leonardo

35:23

DiCaprio. Had a story

35:25

of Leo and so like we could just got to the point where

35:27

we started laughing. We were like Leo, we

35:29

would just like die it. Do

35:32

you have a good slashback Trista from

35:34

Hollow when you must have someone? I was literally

35:36

just going to ask you the same question. I'm

35:38

like, well, wait, okay, tell me this woman

35:41

was talking about Leo. I want to know

35:43

if you've ever run in like you live in

35:45

l A. So I want to know if you ever

35:47

run into any famous people or if

35:49

you ever run into bachelor people. I

35:53

don't run into bachelor people a lot. You don't

35:55

live I don't live like in Hollywood. I

35:57

know, I know, but still, or even

36:00

when you're traveling, like I knew you

36:02

were just in New York, Like did you see anyone there?

36:04

You know what I mean? You did

36:06

the first night there, my pilots and I were going to dinner. We

36:09

went to this really yoummy Italian restaurant.

36:11

Next time you're in the city, I'll have to let you know Hotel met

36:13

All. I had lamb bolonaise that I like to eat, and

36:15

I was literally like

36:17

it was the best thing I've ever had. And

36:21

I was like, this is life changing.

36:23

This is like we were walking

36:25

and it was really cold

36:27

and sure enough, and you know, it was funny

36:29

because people will say this

36:31

to me too, like, oh, I didn't see you at first,

36:34

but I could recognize your voice. I knew, I knew your voice.

36:36

Yes, you were walking down um

36:39

and we were in the Financial District and we were walking down

36:41

to the restaurant. And then sure enough I heard her say

36:43

thanks guys, and I turned and looked and it was Ellen pump

36:46

Pumpei Pompey Pompeio

36:48

from Gray Yes,

36:52

just announced that she was leaving great as

36:54

soon as I saw I turned and looked, and I was like, and she

36:56

was like just getting out of her car and walking into a hotel.

36:59

She was like, thanks, guys, like totally normal, total

37:01

no one around, no one, Yes, right,

37:03

I love christ. I didn't say anything. You

37:06

didn't say anything, You didn't say no,

37:09

no, no, Yeah, but I

37:12

saw her. Sometimes when I fly, you

37:14

know, it's because well, we're not

37:16

allowed to say anything, so I'm not. But

37:18

I flowned some really big celebrities and

37:20

I don't get star struck a lot. I

37:23

don't know if it's just because the industry that we're in and you know

37:26

l A all the time, you know what I mean. Yeah,

37:28

So I'm not one of those people to get star struck.

37:31

But I saw jay

37:33

Z one time. Uh huh. It

37:35

was like that would be big smokes,

37:37

It's jay Z, right, And

37:39

then in my head in time as he standing there, I kept

37:41

going, I

37:45

was like singing his song in my head and I couldn't. I couldn't,

37:47

like I could not

37:49

even like carry on a conversation. Was like, oh

37:51

my gosh, okay, you just reminded

37:53

me of a really fun flashback that I do have.

37:56

Okay, So I was dancing for the Miami Heat

37:58

and um, huge basketball

38:00

fan, huge Michael Jordan fan, like

38:03

huge Michael Jordan fan, and I

38:06

was sitting. So at that point in time, we

38:08

sat on the court. Now they don't sit

38:10

on the court anymore, probably because we got stepped

38:12

on so many times, but

38:17

yes, exactly, UM with really

38:19

big feet. So we were on

38:21

the court and we were

38:24

you know what they say, they

38:28

have big so

38:35

sitting across from the

38:37

opposing team, not the Heat,

38:39

but the opposing team, and they happened to be the I

38:41

think the Washington Wizards is who he was playing

38:43

for at the time. It was Michael Jordan's. So Michael

38:45

Jordan was sitting right across

38:48

from me, like right across from me,

38:50

and I realized that I was staring

38:52

at him. Well, he turns and

38:54

we lock eyes right and

38:58

you just reminded me that when you started singing

39:01

New York with jay Z like around,

39:04

this is similar to what I did. So we

39:06

lock eyes and we are staring at each

39:08

other. And it probably wasn't for that long,

39:11

but you know, when you're in an in an eye

39:13

lock, it seems like forever,

39:15

like it seems like I

39:19

couldn't look away. I was like, um,

39:22

Michael Jordan's is staring at me,

39:24

like I literally can't look away. And

39:26

after we were staring at each other for I

39:29

would say a good like maybe

39:31

like ten seconds, which is a long time, A

39:33

long time to right one another. I

39:37

and maybe it was less because I felt like it was longer,

39:39

but I said I worded

39:42

or I mouthed the words Michael

39:45

Jordan's like, well,

39:52

it's like you say, singing New York, New

39:54

York like with jay Z, Like okay,

39:57

yeah, that's my song. So you know, like I'm

39:59

STI ring at Michael Jordan's and

40:01

I don't say call me

40:04

or meet me after, I

40:10

love you, or I

40:12

say his freaking name, and he was scaring

40:15

locked eyes, and you go, Michael

40:17

Jordan, stupid.

40:20

It's so stupid. I mean, your

40:23

life could have changed. I was literally

40:25

just gonna say that. Oh my gosh, it was so

40:27

right, Like had I met like if I said

40:30

meet me after, maybe

40:35

you would have met me after, and

40:37

maybe we would have gotten into this love affair.

40:40

Probably not, but um,

40:42

but you know, it totally could have changed

40:44

the trajectory of my life. But that's my fun

40:46

flashback five

40:50

too. And now we're tally it would

40:52

be what's that movie with Danny

40:56

and the other guys really tall, like giants

40:58

or something or brothers? What was

41:00

it? Something like that. Oh my gosh,

41:02

it's so funny. I'm

41:04

going on. Michael Keaton one time you did

41:08

pretty early on, like right

41:10

after the Bachelorette. He was like, let me

41:12

take you out, and I was like, I'm engaged, like Steve,

41:14

You're like hello, yeah yeah,

41:17

and he literally was like you could

41:19

wear it or not, but let me take Oh

41:23

Michael Keaton right now, but

41:25

flatter Thank you sir, Yeah, thank you so much,

41:28

Thank you so much. All

41:30

right. Well, I love talking to

41:32

you. We could just we could talk all day.

41:35

Um, I miss you, and

41:37

happy birthday, and give

41:40

the kids a big hug for me. I

41:42

am so thankful that you joined us and Bob

41:44

oh. I do have to say Bob

41:46

was very sad harassing

41:48

me and he's not even here today. I know he's

41:51

traveling, and he wrote, um, like

41:53

he texted our group text

41:55

with the producers and stuff that he was going

41:57

to be in a car probably getting out

41:59

at the time that we were doing it, and he just didn't

42:01

want to interrupt the interview. So um,

42:04

he sends his love and he

42:07

wishes he was here. I wish he was

42:09

here too, But we had lots of fun chatting. So um,

42:12

we miss you Bob. Next time. UM, I'm

42:14

Mr Guinea. That's right, Thank

42:17

you, sister. I hope you have a great time on your

42:19

trip. Thank you. I wish you

42:21

be wonderful. You're doing great. Fifty

42:24

no, fifty, sorry

42:26

that it's all good. Yes, yes, it's all

42:28

good. This is what happens is

42:32

great. Forty one is

42:34

great. Forty one is great. That's forty one

42:36

is great. Um you two right

42:38

back at you. I love you. Thank you. Okay

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bye