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1022 this is

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the better life i'm a hosting them at the lawson

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look a at better life finding value

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wherever you can't even your daily life

0:23

i i myself

0:26

playing an angle on my

0:28

local grocery rewards program

0:30

and i was like what of other

0:33

people get a similar russia this i

0:35

wonder if there are also gamblers

0:38

i guess that is that it is that a

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you're a crossover on their venn

0:42

diagram

0:43

i was able to take advantage

0:46

of a number of different offer

0:48

sort of all the same time and maximize

0:51

the discount that i was getting at the grocery

0:54

store and ah i

0:56

i mean i i i don't i can recover

0:59

the last time i got so excited a look at a

1:01

yard to look at a grocery store receipts

1:03

and with with utter go we and

1:05

excitement and and pride really than

1:07

hot in a lot of bride ah

1:10

ends are a lot more useful than

1:12

than some of the best that i've made the

1:14

casino but ah yeah that

1:16

was in that moment are sitting there was like

1:18

i wonder if this is a game like i know like

1:20

remember when like the coupon extreme couponing

1:23

was a thing as something like that i'm malik scouring

1:25

keep on boxes of by baffert of it as it

1:28

was straightforward and the rewards program much

1:30

like you would look at like multiple promotion

1:32

offers rail i were you when you look at the

1:35

mail or you get and in the promotion for the day

1:37

and than me be have some free play on top

1:39

of dad is sort of stack everything for

1:41

everything big day it was simpler to

1:44

that and i made me think about

1:46

being a gambler a like that's like this is actually

1:48

part of a better life i bet the i

1:50

wouldn't be surprised if i know that other people that enjoyed

1:53

this also maybe enjoy some ass at

1:55

the gambling self ah that's me live

1:57

in a better life outside of the casino

2:00

this week on the podcast, we have

2:02

rob pezzullo, rob

2:04

pezzullo he is co-founder of best

2:06

damn co-host of circles off you can

2:08

find him on twitter at rob

2:11

pezzullo commenting on a number

2:13

of he's a great follow the podcast

2:16

is wonderful i mentioned it a couple of recently

2:18

decided to reach out the rob get him

2:21

on the show what a delightful interview

2:23

this was robbed team are with

2:25

some honesty and some

2:27

some tremendous insight

2:30

that i think

2:30

you all enjoy co-founder

2:32

of best amp

2:35

in a co-host of circles off podcast, your

2:38

name that's been on my list for a long time

2:40

i finally knows like i dunno

2:42

why i haven't asked him to be on the shelf,

2:44

glad we're making it happen welcome

2:47

to the betterlife yeah, i think around

2:49

medium so

2:50

this interview

2:52

erase are all of the interview and going

2:54

back to your first exposure,

2:56

to gambling can you recall the

2:59

first time? maybe not the first time you personally

3:01

were making pats but just when you were around

3:04

it

3:05

yeah for sure and it's would be at a very early

3:07

age for me i'm i come

3:09

from

3:10

two parents that were both born

3:12

in italy and immigrated to canada when

3:14

they were younger with large families

3:17

saw , the holidays specially around christmas

3:20

time huge huge

3:22

a holiday for for our family

3:24

without these big get togethers and there would always

3:26

be like an italian card game that would break

3:29

out at out sauce very

3:31

exposed to this when i was young and

3:34

funny enough like when i was eight years old

3:36

i was probably playing in these games were

3:38

talking literally quarters or like loonies

3:40

in my parents would give me money to play and

3:42

them as and but adam

3:45

a very ill eat even at an early age

3:47

as very mathematical strategic type

3:49

of guy i naturally gravitate to anything

3:51

that was that strategy type

3:53

of game i you know even back in back day

3:55

when i was growing up the simple windows

3:57

ninety four games of like minesweeper

3:59

there and solitaire and stuff

4:02

, dot isis kill ours doing

4:04

stuff like that and try to learn strategies for each game

4:06

so that was my first exposure to any

4:08

sort of gambling or any sort of batting

4:10

or and then on top of that my father's big horse

4:13

racing guy guy had a

4:15

the you know woodbine racetrack when i was growing

4:17

up was five minutes from my house still

4:19

not far from my house now but or we'd spend

4:21

some weekends at the track when i was in my teens

4:24

my you know he would pretty important

4:26

to me of like not betting a time risk

4:28

or me what you can it's entertainment value

4:30

so on and so forth but i

4:33

was exposed to the like cards and

4:35

horse racing long before was exposed

4:38

anything sports betting

4:40

the food we talked a

4:42

bit on the show every time some a brings

4:44

up horse racing being a part of their youth

4:46

was bring up how you know that

4:48

that the current state of horse racing is

4:51

definitely much different than a was thirty years

4:53

ago now

4:55

i'm i know i imagine a can't be too much difference

4:57

bites me what is the horse racing see him

4:59

look like in canada these days like a are they are

5:01

still lively tracks or

5:03

or is that the dying sport that it is in

5:06

america

5:07

the i don't think it's dying

5:10

you know most of the race tracks locally

5:12

around me would have incorporated some

5:14

sort of casino element now or live poker

5:17

game or anything else tix try to get

5:19

somebody out to the track that is not just

5:21

strictly horse racing i

5:23

think it's just like within

5:25

it very entertaining win a race is going on

5:27

that made it and a half betting but like

5:29

the down time in between just not does not

5:32

resonate with the younger demographic

5:34

so to speak on even if they can

5:36

bet on it all races at a different

5:39

tracks and between is just not the same as watching

5:41

that live race in front of you i'm

5:43

so i think the downtime m m m between

5:45

or is really killed the sport where

5:47

do you still like people consuming things and things

5:50

very small doses nowadays

5:52

on even you look at sports like baseball

5:54

right which are prolonged and extended

5:56

and extended and they just don't resonate with the

5:58

younger demographic so i

6:01

don't want seats completely dead we

6:03

there was like a little bit of a revival with the

6:05

introduction of of slots and other

6:08

casino games at the local tracks but

6:10

i think people are going to the track for reasons

6:13

other than betting the horses and then might find themselves

6:15

betting horses

6:18

did you did you find yourself

6:20

like if you're out if the i have all lost your out

6:22

a track

6:24

what i went once earlier this summer i

6:26

think it's a good day out like honestly i

6:28

just like the enjoy like the buffet and

6:30

bet on some races and you

6:33

know my wife likes to come up with me some friends

6:35

and so on and so forth so i'll typically go

6:37

out to attract a couple times a year ah

6:40

but i'm not like the guy that's going to

6:42

you know by the you know

6:44

that the from magazine or whatever

6:46

the guide and try to dissect all the stats that

6:48

are in there and like it

6:51

is not me i'm more so just like picking

6:53

based off of feel lucky numbers on

6:55

a license plate of a car i like as i

6:57

walk in and you know spending those numbers

6:59

and so on and so forth i just i like to be outside

7:03

like experience different things as well

7:05

so it's a it's a let's a couple

7:07

times a year for me

7:09

so

7:11

you had his introduction to the

7:13

gambling ah as a as

7:15

a youth wind windy you start

7:17

sort of getting interested in gambling

7:20

more as we know like out of in

7:22

of sports betting casino gaming whatever

7:25

urged the your first interest was growing

7:27

up

7:28

really high school

7:29

so all the seniors in high school

7:31

would have been runners for

7:33

sports books at that time were working

7:36

for you know local

7:38

call it opera what is local mob

7:41

hell's angels so on and so forth were

7:43

running all of the books in this area is

7:45

t v h wise or and they would recruit

7:47

younger people who seniors in high

7:49

school didn't get the the

7:51

juniors and sophomores and the the freshmen

7:54

batting at that time so that was my first

7:56

venture into at where i had someone

7:58

approached me at school was be like are

8:00

your huge sports fan you watched on a sports

8:03

i'm debbie are considered betting on it to

8:05

try to make some money and i like

8:07

yeah yeah that's a great idea i mean i will watch

8:09

tons of sports is a ba miami passion

8:11

is really watching sports sure gimme

8:13

gimme an account and i'll bet into it a

8:15

new very quickly learn that it's much

8:17

harder than a than it seems even

8:20

when you think you really know a sport so very

8:22

early on i'm in high school

8:24

was when i was first exposed to it

8:28

and unfortunately i mean i went down a pretty bad path

8:30

at that time because it's just frustrating

8:32

like you start to convince yourself even

8:35

though you're losing you convince yourself that you're unlucky

8:38

like i watch his games i know what's going on

8:40

i got i got there is a bad beat on this bad

8:42

why here if that will work in my favor

8:44

things would have been different this week and it

8:46

really takes a long time before you come to

8:48

the realization of while

8:50

you know like maybe maybe i'm just not very

8:53

good at this or have to figure out a way

8:55

where i can actually be you know succeed

8:57

at this before i want to

9:00

risk any more money

9:04

the bring a bit they vehemently opposed to the

9:06

prophet like our you know sports is

9:08

a bad on sports and something we see

9:10

a lot of recreational players the

9:12

like oh i know this sport i used the player

9:15

i'm a big fan or whatever and like some

9:17

sort of like leading ah you

9:20

know the odds of the leading factor

9:22

into why they might be able to be good at that

9:24

and it's the it makes me wonder if

9:27

emit reminds me of when i was i and when

9:30

i was on was range in boot camp the

9:32

johnsons be like if you have never

9:34

sought a rifle we'll it'll be easier

9:36

for us to teach you how to suit then

9:39

if you're someone who grew up with

9:41

with guns rights and i've and started

9:43

to believe this now with sports betting and that's

9:46

if you come into the stinking the you understand

9:48

because you know the sports you can now bet

9:50

on it i think it's almost easier to be like

9:53

if you don't know how to if you like of your the less

9:55

you know you are this is easier to as a teacher the principles

9:58

of successful sports betting

9:59

it absolutely wholeheartedly agree

10:02

with that i'm i think there's a

10:04

number of reason for one i think people

10:06

go , the same path that i did where they just convince

10:09

themselves that they're unlucky on things like they

10:11

know what they're doing but they're just unlucky

10:13

i think the second is an ego thing

10:16

for sports fans i don't know why

10:18

it's i don't know why but it

10:20

should really be studied as to why

10:22

people in general can admit when

10:24

they're losing or that they don't know something

10:27

or that someone else has greater knowledge in

10:29

it's like you even today i just i

10:31

posted a d m to my twitter account today

10:33

about something along the

10:35

lines of

10:37

you know i see in a in

10:39

the season football every year where people like all you're

10:41

an absolute degenerate if you're betting preseason

10:43

football that couldn't be further from the truth post

10:46

something i'll explain why feel that way

10:48

but i still get a bunch of messages from people

10:50

saying like no no this doesn't make sensory

10:52

you don't understand what's going on and i'm

10:55

at the be right that point that i

10:57

think these people are people are help in some capacity

11:00

because they've already you know committed

11:02

to this stance on

11:05

what sports betting his arm

11:07

so i completely agree with he like if

11:09

i had to teach my wife's sports betting today

11:12

i would have a much better chance of

11:14

getting hurt to be a winning better than

11:16

if i were to teach all my friends and

11:19

sit them down at the course because they're just ingrained

11:21

to believe certain things believe tell my

11:23

friends all the time they'll bet football on

11:25

on like feed the public or the book is trying

11:28

to trap you on this and this and i to explain

11:30

to them why that's not true but they've heard

11:32

it so often throat their life

11:34

that it it becomes a fact for them they

11:37

even know they know what i do for a living

11:40

the still struggle to comprehend what i'm

11:42

telling them or they think i'm crazy for telling

11:44

them that which is insane when i

11:46

i tried have no take a step back and think about

11:48

it so am i completely agree

11:50

with that standpoint i think there's

11:52

a lot of people who are getting involved in the space

11:54

now that are just

11:56

consuming good information

11:59

the becoming

11:59

are very quickly

12:01

the and then there's a lot of people that have been

12:03

involved for a decade or more

12:06

that are just continuously go down the same

12:08

path are learning absolutely nothing

12:11

but for some reason it's impossible for them

12:13

to admit that there's opportunity

12:15

for growth

12:18

the

12:19

like how long were you stuck in that

12:22

in in you know that the biggest

12:24

a hamster wheel i guess will say of of

12:29

telling yourself you're unlucky not really

12:31

not really learning how to bat by just using

12:33

your your opinion on sports to

12:36

to drive bats like how long have you stuck

12:38

in that

12:39

probably about a decade high ,

12:41

and university for sure and

12:43

then maybe a year or two into my

12:45

professional career

12:48

which was started in as started radio

12:50

hosts funny enough producing

12:54

sports betting content at that time

12:56

where i was at that time i will i

12:58

was trying to approach things from a more

13:00

statistical

13:02

perspective

13:03

the doing things that i typically hadn't dot

13:05

in the past but in hindsight a lot of it was

13:07

just useless anyways didn't

13:09

really understand how markets work timing

13:11

of my bets as knock raids so on and so forth

13:14

but took about a decade before i realized

13:16

no this is it's

13:18

a huge time sought for me big time commitment

13:21

or not actually enjoying watching sports anymore

13:23

because i'm continuously losing i

13:26

eat okay it's i can't put a down payment

13:28

on a house or condo because i'm losing

13:30

the money that i'm bringing in so why

13:32

am i doing this to myself took

13:34

a long time to get their a did and i i

13:37

you know i resonates and and

13:39

sympathize with people who go down that path

13:41

because i believe i've

13:43

lived it myself but yeah we're under a

13:45

literally about a decade before

13:48

i i i even stopped i went cold

13:50

turkey on batting for a

13:52

year or so which was actually extremely

13:54

difficult to do because i was hosting shows

13:56

that were centered around betting site keep up with the

13:59

space but that myself in

14:01

a process of doing that i started to

14:03

research you don't have a a university

14:06

background in statistics in

14:08

computer science so i started to research

14:10

how to build our models a little

14:12

bit more i started to read books

14:14

about it and then just that

14:17

just naturally morphed

14:19

into like my hobby is i'm

14:21

going to figure out a way to to

14:23

beat sports and you

14:26

know actually win back all the money that i've lost

14:28

in my lifetime ah so it it

14:30

took about ten years for me to come to that realization

14:33

i think it's incredibly important for

14:35

professional or even just smart

14:38

batters to admit that because

14:41

so few avast act like started

14:44

knowing how to do this well from year

14:46

one race there's a couple exceptions

14:49

i've here and there but largely

14:52

but largely of bit lot of us learned by

14:54

losing but had that bye bye to

14:56

hide the determination to not

14:58

lose an figure out sooner had

15:00

a pretty i mean if so far to meet the

15:02

better i was ten years ago i

15:04

would be so embarrassed right

15:06

like i if i were to bring ten years ago

15:09

that person on my podcast i would

15:11

like laugh at them by like what are you doing like

15:13

you don't notice you know and and i think it's important

15:15

to ah for for betters

15:18

for especially for with leaders in

15:20

this space to admit that because it's

15:23

we we do it's

15:25

good to of course encourage people

15:27

to be smart better than see some how to do that

15:29

but for the people who are still sort of try to figure

15:32

that out encouraging and like it's okay

15:34

we were there to like you're gonna you'll keep

15:36

moving forward keeps you know i

15:38

keep your head on straight were you all

15:40

in this decade was just sports betting

15:43

or what did you have other forms of gambling that you

15:45

are partaking in

15:46

did i , play poker

15:48

professionally for one year out of

15:50

school before i gotta have a full time

15:52

job so i know i

15:55

like many people got turned on to poker

15:57

with their chris moneymaker world series of posts

16:00

your arm started playing a lot

16:02

of games with my friends like home

16:04

games but just casually very

16:06

quickly realized that i was by far the best

16:08

person playing in my inner friend group

16:11

i'm so much okay you know i

16:13

expanded into some more local games

16:15

was winning a lot of money there and then that expanded

16:17

into online poker , well

16:20

which honestly i did fairly well out

16:22

for a year but i just grew to

16:24

hate it it quickly became

16:27

very monotonous for me and

16:30

yeah like i actually tried to treat poker

16:33

like a full time job like a nine to five i

16:35

was living with my my girlfriend at the

16:37

time is now my wife who would go off

16:40

to school during the day and as

16:42

soon as she would go off i sit down at the computer

16:44

or play all day so she got home and

16:46

then i would log off for the night and

16:49

after maybe two or three months i started to notice

16:51

okay she's leaving for school and i'm sleeping

16:53

and like another hour or two on

16:56

logging off way earlier to play video games

16:58

before she gets home i just i just really

17:01

didn't enjoy it all that much i

17:05

mean some people find that hard to believe

17:07

the like off make money like it is what

17:09

it is but that's never been me like

17:12

even sports betting now and we can get into

17:14

this a low elo but afterwards but like it's

17:16

more monotonous to me than it used to be ice

17:18

to take so much pleasure in beaten served markets

17:21

you know winning and i still do but i

17:23

i just enjoy other thing so much more at

17:26

this point that i'll still

17:28

bad i just don't do it in the same capacity

17:30

that i once did and even same thing

17:32

with poker poker ,

17:34

we play some home games here and there are get my

17:36

fix like three or four times a year and

17:39

then outside of that i'm not really i'm

17:42

not really playing much for don't do anything online

17:44

so that kind of was a

17:46

big part of my life as well enjoy to for

17:48

a bit but then know just as

17:51

for years i actually didn't play because i just couldn't

17:53

stand it anymore

17:55

it found that with

17:57

is with sport specifically that

18:00

the on the on the couple leagues i

18:02

like really am focused on

18:04

i become a span of them as at

18:07

through the process of bending them of colors fan

18:09

enough to where i can enjoy the

18:11

way through the night if is a game that i don't have

18:13

acts nine and i can do that game on a be entertained

18:16

right i don't need to have a job or

18:18

, i totally gets the you know

18:20

after wilds like a suspicious of what's this

18:22

one day process and isn't the entertainment that

18:24

it that it was once before so

18:26

wix so as you're learning to become a better

18:29

better how

18:31

did you trust yourself to

18:35

the do that because after so

18:37

long have been a losing better

18:40

the determination to when you

18:42

know i took i imagine it took a while to see

18:44

enough with the results to believe that you were

18:47

in fact having the right direction

18:50

so after a decade of losing like how did

18:52

you like what was it about it how did you

18:54

like trust yourself you

18:56

do that safely without

18:58

without the boarding falling out again

19:00

the i needed confirmation from

19:03

other batters so he

19:05

for years i would

19:08

adam is building out these models

19:10

for different sports i would post pics

19:12

to twitter

19:13

every day and i sort of built

19:15

the following do that doing that because it's fairly

19:17

successful over the course of a

19:20

few seasons in a in mlb and nhl

19:22

where people were follow me pretty regularly i returned

19:25

five percent more more in a couple

19:27

years or and then i actually just started

19:29

posting like the straight model outputs

19:31

to twitter instead of the

19:33

actual picks so that people could do

19:35

with them whatever they wanted to the

19:38

and i did i for a couple months to start one

19:41

baseball season than someone

19:43

reached out to me through twitter the ams and

19:45

a basic said i'd you know see your model

19:47

outputs every day would you be interested in having a larger

19:50

chat about this sure no problem giving

19:52

my phone number and of having a pretty extensive

19:54

chat with someone who's actually now

19:57

like my titus betting partner a

19:59

in the world where he basically said

20:01

to me at that time you know you're posting

20:03

these numbers to twitter every single

20:06

day someone is betting them

20:08

as soon as you post them and ruining

20:10

the market the lines are moving

20:12

all this is way over my head at this point i

20:15

have no under idea what he's talking about he's

20:17

explaining to me like you know we need we

20:19

want we want to get down quiet we were trying

20:21

not to blow up the whole market so on

20:23

and so forth and he's basically giving me and

20:26

educational lesson for an hour in

20:29

that conversation but it ends with we

20:31

think your stuff is really good have been monitoring

20:33

of for a while we will pay you to

20:35

no longer post this stuff publicly and

20:38

we will give you a free robe on your bets

20:40

was completely risk free on your end

20:42

your can bet through us the

20:45

which at that time i'm gonna i'm going to take that

20:47

i mean i'm making like thirty five thousand dollars a year

20:50

as a radio host guys

20:52

, me like fairly decent sized

20:54

bed for for free so

20:57

i took that and i did that for that couple

20:59

years kind of risk free until

21:02

i was in undercapitalised and i could start

21:04

risking my own money as part of this

21:07

and that sort of the way grew but

21:09

it was just like a confirmation from

21:12

another better essentially

21:14

like i knew i was broke growing my following i

21:17

knew that i had something i knew that i could probably

21:19

when i just a know to the extent at

21:22

watch the not as to how

21:24

good my stuff was until

21:26

i got that call so that was a of

21:28

just a game changer for me i'm

21:31

i'm in a in a lot of ways i

21:33

i owe a lot of what i have to being an early adopter

21:36

of twitter the hum and growing a following

21:38

and just having you know people see my

21:40

stuff so yeah

21:43

that that's kind of the story if if

21:45

no one ever reached out to me i don't know how long

21:48

i would have discontinued down the same path as

21:50

literally betting like a hundred to two hundred bucks

21:52

a game at that time which

21:54

is fine you know if know if like

21:56

i said wasn't losing any more i was winning but it was just

21:59

a hobby in any the i'd never even

22:01

considered like this could potentially

22:03

be a profession for me at some point so

22:06

yeah that was that life changing moment

22:08

for moment

22:10

that you mention it

22:11

that being an early adopter of twitter

22:14

hi i'm dawn

22:16

circles are you have you have segment

22:18

called tweets that's addressed ah

22:21

which when when i hit play

22:23

on circles off and yasmin said there's

22:25

a segment coming up i get very excited

22:28

by the you but it even

22:30

know we all get the even others

22:32

horrible people in gambling twitter and

22:35

titans in terms of misinformation

22:38

it can you expand older more

22:40

on how critical twitter

22:42

has been a meet us on this story

22:45

here but just you know

22:47

in the development of you as a better than

22:49

networking what's been possible

22:51

for things outside because i think gambling

22:53

twitter gets a bad rap for

22:55

a lot of very legitimate reasons

22:58

but i think a lot of us have gained

23:00

opportunity that we went otherwise

23:02

have simply because we're on on the platform

23:05

completely agree i mean i'm for

23:07

years i mean i connected with

23:10

people that i now call my friends who

23:12

are first interaction ever was just threw a keyboard

23:15

the and we've met up in person

23:17

and you know these are like a

23:20

blatant relationships blatant relationships

23:22

my life in a in a lot of ways but

23:25

it is absolutely like social

23:27

media can be can huge benefit and a huge tool

23:30

and yes there's a lot of negativity on there but

23:32

i will tell you this i was

23:35

i was definitely make camp of i thought i had

23:37

it all figured out at one point in

23:39

life into your

23:41

point of every once in a while

23:43

i do go back and revisit all tweets of

23:45

my because i don't i have not scrubbed my account

23:47

i have not deleted stuff from ten

23:49

years ago i did i just

23:51

laugh to myself i'm like i kept i actually

23:53

cannot believe this was me the

23:56

but i thought i had it all figured

23:59

out at one point get some of the responses

24:01

of people who were like willing we trying

24:03

to educate me at that point i

24:05

was just extremely dismissive of it altogether

24:08

and dot that they were coming across as being in

24:10

bad faith or like you know

24:13

try to put me down and stuff like that

24:15

so i get that point of view from

24:17

other people now i'm because most

24:19

people do think that they he jokes they

24:21

think that because they have been betting

24:23

for a long time they understand everything

24:26

betty and that's couldn't be further from

24:28

the truth but i learned a lot of that

24:30

just through mutual connections i've gained

24:32

life skills that i would never would have had through

24:34

connecting through people on twitter saved

24:38

countless hours of time by finding

24:41

certain people through tip twitter who could do something

24:43

better than me where i could offer something in exchange

24:45

so all those things are extremely

24:48

valuable and yeah

24:50

we all see the negativity that that's

24:52

out there but i mean

24:54

i mean i i old so much

24:56

of what i have built in life

24:59

to that platform and to the connections i

25:01

made through that platform

25:02

the

25:03

i think it's it's interesting

25:06

looking back it in i've done the same

25:09

you look back you see a bad taste bad

25:11

bad opinions or just or arrogance

25:14

opinions are juergen stances it's i

25:16

do think that it's it's a bit of a byproduct

25:18

of the platform

25:21

and i definitely have experienced this is a content

25:23

creator you don't want to ever

25:26

suggest that you don't know it's talking about

25:28

so you're most over compensate

25:31

heard and try to prove you know you're talking

25:33

about i'm not definitely fallen in that trap

25:35

before the only to be

25:37

humiliated way it's clear

25:39

that i'm wrong right and a

25:41

say it did have one thing you

25:43

learned eyes as you gain a following i'm

25:45

sure you've experienced same thing as it's

25:47

okay to be like i don't know or i went wrong

25:50

or this was he like i had the wrong idea i get

25:52

like it is the admitting that you're vulnerable

25:55

or that your to see human is perfectly acceptable

25:57

even in this world where no one this is the bat

26:00

agreed i mean i've doubled down on so

26:03

many bad takes which i'm just so embarrassed

26:05

about after the fact but i

26:07

mean i put myself in that position at at that

26:09

time i i had i thought i had it all figured

26:11

out i look at the space now i

26:13

see who's producing content

26:16

i mean a lot of it is an ill will not

26:18

lot of people aren't intentionally trying to mislead

26:20

other people they actually believe

26:22

in their hearts that like reverse

26:25

line movement in the nfl matters

26:28

or , closing line value doesn't

26:30

matter or whatever the overtime they've

26:32

they've just built up this opinion and

26:35

like no deeply believe it as

26:37

truth nowadays so i

26:39

mean it's it's an interesting space i

26:42

honestly i don't think there's anything comparable

26:45

in the world where

26:47

you if you think about

26:49

think about any other field and

26:51

like who gets put in

26:53

the forefront in terms of media coverage

26:56

or so on and so forth you

26:58

know look at whether for example

27:00

like whether you have to be meteorologist

27:02

you know you have to understand how weather where it's

27:05

not just gonna take some random guy off the

27:07

street who's can randomly

27:09

predict when it's gonna rain based off

27:11

of like looking up in the sky but

27:14

in the sports betting space every sports

27:16

better is given some sort of platform

27:18

and in a lot of cases they the

27:20

either portray themselves as an

27:22

expert or they believe

27:25

a in some cases are intentionally misleading

27:28

but the in a lot of cases they actually believe

27:30

that they're an expert and i

27:33

mean it's it

27:36

is is a really weird industry like it's one

27:38

of a kind the and

27:41

it looks extremely unusual

27:44

sports betting

27:46

in your roof is t by have touched on this for

27:48

himself personally him and i thought about it here

27:51

are a few months ago sports

27:53

betting is is who is one

27:55

as v the

27:57

most glaring examples

27:59

the people searching for validation

28:03

right like people you know the people who

28:05

are cancelling posting their results

28:07

or i you know it it's

28:10

the a part of it a lot of it as enjoy it's

28:12

a hobby but it's clear sony t part

28:14

are just searching for validation

28:16

on on what it is on their opinion right

28:19

i agree i mean

28:21

the the the weird thing about sports betting

28:25

i've i've on obvious you live through this as well

28:27

so i'm not going to love you

28:29

know er nok and will say anything you

28:32

know offensive to anyone in

28:34

particular but the other

28:37

other thing about sports

28:40

betting is that

28:42

we you know it like industry

28:45

studies the numbers from offshore

28:47

sports books regulated sports books are we

28:49

know that nearly ninety nine percent

28:51

of people are going to lose a betting

28:53

on sports this is common knowledge

28:57

whatever the number may be upward upper

28:59

nineties ninetieth percentile of people

29:01

are going to lose on sports betting

29:04

but no one can admit

29:06

that they lose it's so difficult

29:09

for someone to say yeah most of

29:11

a losing sports better whatever i do a friend or team

29:13

and value everyone feels the

29:15

need to convince everyone

29:17

else that there a winning better are

29:20

debated the desire to be in that one percent

29:22

for sure

29:23

but

29:24

i don't know why it's so difficult like

29:26

i i don't i don't really understand

29:28

it when i

29:30

when i'm no longer betting for a living

29:33

if it's because i lost my age i

29:35

will come out and say i no longer have an edge

29:37

and be sports and that's why don't better i

29:39

no longer bad major league baseball because

29:41

i do not think i can be major

29:44

league baseball over the course of a seat at least

29:46

the major market i don't think i will when i

29:49

have partners that still batted and i've and

29:51

i've know i'll bet the stuff out on

29:54

their behalf because they're still showing that they can

29:56

i personally cannot do that but

29:59

i don't know why

29:59

if you feel so wrong for someone to come out

30:02

and say that and no one's willing to do that like

30:04

i have so much

30:05

you know or of the all talk about one person in the

30:07

industry that

30:09

the he very engaging for

30:12

recreational better soon be his

30:14

twitter handle i think his book at france or

30:17

you blown up he's gone from less than ten thousand

30:19

followers to over

30:21

one hundred thousand over the course of a year and

30:24

all the guy does

30:26

this be real

30:27

it puts out content about him

30:29

being a losing better he openly mocks

30:32

is losing best he's he's doing

30:34

so much content around

30:36

him just being a loser

30:38

from a betting point of view not talk about him as

30:41

it personally or anything like that and

30:43

the put in our picks every day and he still

30:46

has an army of people that want

30:48

to bet the exact same things as him

30:51

because they want and they're seeking

30:53

that sense of community they want to ride

30:55

the wave were said if he wins i

30:57

win if he loses i'm losing with the sky

31:00

as well because he's just one of us and

31:02

i think that you know content

31:05

is engaging for sure but i think he's

31:07

really been able to resonate with people

31:09

because he is a regular person

31:11

that is just out they're not selling

31:14

himself as the bit next billie walters

31:16

of sports betting or anything like that and

31:18

i think there's a a real lesson to be learned

31:21

from him in terms of

31:24

though how to generate

31:26

engagement by being real i

31:28

think he deftly gets a bad rap by like the sharp

31:31

betting space is like i'm putting our garbage

31:33

the losing better whatever six okay buddy

31:35

you know he's telling people he's a losing better where's

31:37

the harm in that like if you're continuously putting out conferencing

31:40

i don't know what i'm doing i'm trying to make

31:42

engaging content year like

31:45

people are developing some sense of community

31:47

people are getting value out of that that's whether

31:49

tuning into his stuff that's why they're following

31:51

his stuff so am i really

31:53

appreciate that approach the

31:56

because it's it's just very real and

31:58

i think that there's way more room that now

32:00

obviously there's going to be guys out there

32:03

and girls all the time that are gonna

32:05

go the approach of scam in

32:07

simple because it's so easy to do

32:09

nowadays and there's so much money to be

32:11

made in this industry by ripping people off

32:14

frankly

32:15

but

32:16

there's also that that middle

32:18

section of people that the

32:21

either haven't convinced themselves that there are losing

32:23

better you're ashamed or

32:25

scared of what people will think of them

32:27

if there a losing better

32:29

the there's there's you know these

32:32

are people that are employed by sports books in a lot of

32:34

cases right you

32:36

know why why do you think you're employed by sports

32:38

book producing sports betting content i

32:40

mean let's let's let's be real heroes but two

32:42

and two together but it's it's

32:44

this yeah it's yeah crazy space

32:46

and i think there's as so much for

32:49

room for just people tend to just

32:51

be upfront and honest like i

32:53

don't know when that be when this became a saying it always

32:55

has been but it's

32:58

like it's okay to tell people you

33:00

know yeah to losing season or you

33:02

no longer have an edge and something or you just a regular

33:05

person like throwing darts i got i

33:07

would respect somebody much more for like job

33:09

know process or whatever i just want to have action on

33:11

the games then

33:13

i would if they come out and they're like all yeah you know i

33:15

i put in eight hours a day and daddy

33:17

capping the board and what so who cares you

33:20

winner and or not like i don't care how much time

33:22

you put in like that's not going to make me validate

33:24

you as a as a content creator

33:27

a better so yeah

33:29

little bit of a tangent there but it's but it's

33:32

it's weird part of the space at i

33:34

i don't think we'll ever over overcome that because people

33:36

are just so ashamed to say that they lose i don't get

33:38

it it's a good seems to have ah

33:40

especially for this audience in the first

33:42

few months of the better life you're

33:45

covering both sports betting and casino gaming

33:48

wanted of things that my audience initially

33:50

said the resonated with was talking

33:52

about the

33:55

the experiences and the

33:57

admission of just be of losing might

33:59

like weather it's whether it's losing out

34:01

a sports better walking away from the craps

34:03

table having lost your your by in

34:06

like that's what that happens

34:08

and it's okay to admit it and

34:11

it's okay to talk about how frustrating that

34:13

is right like i you know if he's

34:15

the gods i got my podcast reviews are

34:17

people complaining that i'm not that i get upset

34:19

about losing sports that's is like know

34:22

i mean it's a negative experience at sea and it's

34:24

human to want to you know express frustration

34:26

with fix having a negative experience the

34:30

i have gone to point where when people

34:32

in ip now the sports brings legal people

34:34

talk about and more people are more of

34:36

our old more open about asking about it of

34:38

the final some on bats and so people that colleagues

34:41

and friends like ours are you good at

34:43

it and i was a summer like dad died

34:45

i'm good at putting soccer and i bet and us

34:47

off or fi the owner a know they're

34:49

like what'd ya the i've tried ice i might

34:51

be the superbowl if i get a proper down but otherwise

34:54

over the course of the season i'm betting friend i'm

34:56

betting that way if i have nothing else to do on a sunday

34:58

can turn on a game and have little action

35:00

and the it it's

35:02

okay to admit that i have one aspect

35:05

to sports betting it was a profit from it's and

35:07

what aspect of sports betting that is purely entertainment

35:10

the like those two things can exist

35:12

and i think so many people struggle with that they

35:14

think of your wedding better you can only

35:16

do when i'm betting betting things now

35:18

you you if especially if you're not a pro the

35:21

uk and that on sports in

35:23

a way that's profitable and you can bet on sports and

35:25

waited just in a lot of fun

35:27

a in i talked about this on the last

35:29

episode of circles off i did

35:31

with friends every single week there's

35:33

a sports looking canada called sports interaction

35:36

they offer something called a pin yada pixie

35:38

harris they basically are

35:40

giving you a random golfer to win a tournament

35:42

at odds of one hundred and twenty five to one it

35:45

is a complete randomized i

35:47

love doing that every week is

35:49

it negative expected value of course

35:51

it is i know that i'm not an idiot i

35:53

don't expect to win in the long run right

35:56

we just like the randomness

35:58

of like not having to work will have a rooting

36:01

interest it's all recreational

36:03

money but i see

36:05

stuff like died and i get back like oh no no

36:07

like no professional whatever do i'm like what

36:09

he talking about like i know i know the differences

36:11

between welcome my

36:13

dad's and when i'm making a good bad and when i'm not

36:16

i mean there is definitely something

36:18

about setting for entertainment for entertainment

36:20

value don't know why people fail to realize and even

36:23

from a pro perspectives like how

36:25

many times have i have been out

36:27

with friends each other

36:29

pro batters on the golf course overbearing each

36:31

other someone

36:33

doesn't have an edge they're not

36:36

, like you know it's a it

36:38

it is what it is so that ,

36:40

of stuff always gets me for sure i mean like

36:42

every every single type of enjoy

36:45

every pro better supposed to be lumped into this bucket

36:47

of they they win at everything that they

36:49

do they only make good bats and it's like

36:51

know i mean that's is not it's not

36:53

realistic

36:55

i would be my aim

36:57

the to do my due diligence here from

37:00

for the my audience either a aspects of the casino

37:02

that she went dogs and do you find yourself that any

37:04

ah any tables or when you're when

37:06

you're at a casino

37:07

so yes but now i will say the first

37:10

thing i'm probably going to do if i go to a casinos

37:12

for myself on the poker wait list america's

37:14

i would rather just play poker even

37:16

if i don't have an edge there anymore it is probably

37:18

what i do enjoy most because

37:21

i i play so infrequently now

37:24

so , like that that know

37:26

a lot of poker now is you know game theory optimization

37:29

people just studying ranges and stuff like that

37:31

i'm never going to do that and i'm never going to have

37:33

an edge in in any big games

37:36

are but aside from that yeah i liked

37:38

of to i get i get a rush out

37:40

of putting money down playing roulette

37:42

or craps or any other casino

37:44

game again it's all about expectations

37:47

right going , in

37:49

right that i'm not you know i'm

37:51

at a disadvantage with certain games that i'm playing

37:54

i will seek out games where i can have can advantage

37:57

the just barely exist anymore like anymore like

37:59

your hearts or

37:59

blackjack for years but it's so hard to find

38:02

blackjack tables that are

38:05

you know multi deck nowadays

38:07

like a lot of the the ship auto shufflers and

38:09

so on and so forth so it's will tougher but yes

38:12

i would say probably

38:14

once every three to four

38:16

months i find myself at a casino

38:20

roughly around that and i'll play anything

38:23

like literally anything as long as

38:25

i understand the game and

38:27

if i see some made a casino which i don't understand

38:29

or like all that new or whatever i'll learn the rules

38:31

to that i can play at x

38:33

okay very good

38:35

what

38:36

the wrote talking about you

38:38

know the imperfections of being a better

38:41

is there a rookie square

38:44

degenerate walk or what have you wanna call

38:46

it mistake that you

38:48

either currently find yourself making from

38:50

time to time or read like

38:53

most recently had to correct

38:55

yourself out of and and n

38:58

we're not talking about the entertainment that's like we just talked

39:00

about the like the pin yada doesn't like dabbling

39:03

in your actual process do you ever find

39:05

yourself stumbling on and on

39:07

some met babies considered a fundamental

39:09

or something that's a smart

39:12

sir i like as a true the

39:15

objective better wouldn't steal

39:18

yeah probably like there's there's one

39:20

that stands out to me in terms of

39:22

it's like

39:23

okay i preach line shop

39:26

like i'm i'm a big practice what you preach

39:28

guy

39:30

what i do some live betting

39:32

for entertainment purposes and often

39:34

times i'll have multiple sports books open up and

39:36

my computer or whatever often

39:38

times i just find myself getting into the

39:41

laziness mode more so than anything i

39:43

listen it's a conscious mistake i'll be honest with you

39:45

but often times i'll just be like i'm betting

39:47

i'm going to be betting the underdog year i know this book

39:50

is probably gonna have the best line on the

39:52

underdog i'm just gonna bet it's rather

39:54

than opening up all the books

39:56

doing the comparison real time doesn't really take much

39:58

honestly especially with up the monitor

40:00

setup like i have here i can easily

40:02

it is it's literally just

40:05

the pain of logging into like eight

40:07

sites a for like betting purposes

40:11

and having goes up all on screen and doing and comparison

40:13

a comparison probably the big one for me i

40:16

do line shop and pretty much everything that

40:18

i bad obviously i am

40:20

looking to get down a lot of money on on a lot

40:22

of stuff that i play so comes down to you

40:24

know mixing and matching playing some stuff here place

40:27

and stuff they're reaching out to other betters

40:29

to see if they potentially like the other side

40:31

so we can do like a no big type are saying i'm

40:33

very conscious and price sensitive

40:36

but

40:37

in live betting i sometimes just fall

40:39

down the the rabbit

40:42

fur or i was a former rebel but like i i

40:44

just want to like a pattern of laziness where

40:46

i have a beep you know trading and nfl

40:48

game monday night football

40:50

i noticed that one sports book is continuously

40:52

having the best line on one side the

40:55

the i end up just like okay i'm going to places

40:58

that i'm going to that book and i don't even i don't

41:00

even shop it anymore

41:03

the i i

41:05

will do the same online features

41:08

i was i will see a future somewhere

41:10

that i know it i like oh that's too or

41:12

out that it and realize oh i had the i

41:14

didn't look at these other bucks right it was so

41:16

clear to this is like is like you know usually

41:19

i've seen in a city a wine olsen here at seventy

41:21

to one better without him thinking why guess

41:23

it probably should attack those other book the homeless guy

41:25

yet to make sure that was actually the best number here's

41:29

your thoughts on

41:31

the

41:33

you know i

41:36

there are a range of outs and my

41:38

range of what i can get down ali's outs

41:40

is different from but the buck like it as for for

41:42

many of us

41:44

i struggle with

41:46

if a book that i'm limited add has

41:48

the pads the better number

41:50

i struggle with with take

41:52

it was like betting another number that's

41:55

worse where i can get a bigger that down

41:57

and i'm sure this is like to support like a this

41:59

is development think something i decide

42:02

to like learn to be better at

42:06

like in that scenario would you just get what you

42:08

can down on the best number and then

42:10

given go to i assume india

42:12

assuming the next best number is

42:14

thought that of on them are i never going for something that's

42:16

not an ads but i always struggle

42:19

with if i can like a half of what i want down

42:21

on the best number i struggle with them

42:24

for any other half on the next number

42:26

because it's not as good

42:28

so i mean it also

42:30

depends on the markets and it depends

42:32

on how could be up to get your bed down so there's

42:34

two factors their rights like if i'm reacting

42:36

to news any sort of news related

42:39

play i am automatically

42:41

going to go to the books where i know

42:43

i can get the most down quickly even

42:46

if it's out awards price because i'm not gonna

42:48

take you know i'm not going to go to bat

42:50

rivers and bet my sixty six dollars or

42:52

go to wherever in bed by know four

42:54

dollars and fifty cents just to get that

42:57

that he would make no sense to do that for

42:59

a so it depends on the type of bad

43:01

arm and whether or not it's time sensitive that's

43:04

the first thing the second thing

43:06

is the really i

43:08

mean i do i do

43:10

like are all split it up across multiple books

43:12

but like you i have access to all

43:14

sorts of stuff i have regulated market i have

43:16

bph i have offshore i can bet

43:18

wherever i want to to

43:20

shop all of those books you

43:23

know very easy to do with bad stamps for

43:25

me personally but i'll

43:28

for go aside completely if they're

43:30

you know if it's going to if i have to

43:32

make of the law game and and they're only

43:34

going to give me fifty bucks or something like that i'm

43:36

probably just gonna give some other side deck sixty

43:38

bucks even though was a better line and it's just like

43:41

a matter of principle type of thing more

43:43

so than anything else ah but yeah

43:45

i mean

43:47

that it really i mean a it's deathly

43:49

you like the first thing that always process

43:51

in my head is like do i have to bet this

43:53

quick that's always the same

43:55

i need to bet this quick i know where i'm going about

43:57

this well done

44:00

like i have fifteen seconds if it's

44:02

not that and have plenty of time then

44:04

i'll i'll mixed i'll mix and match across

44:06

sports books

44:07

the as best as i possibly can

44:10

i do

44:13

we brought it up earlier in the are in

44:15

the interview

44:16

talking about is enjoying betting and

44:19

sporting events differently now as

44:21

a professional bedroom where you are now versus

44:23

you know earlier in life speak

44:25

to that more like to you when you go to

44:28

away when you go to a game df

44:30

that acts not a to enjoy it's ah

44:32

when you when you have action on a games

44:34

even find did , did

44:36

even experienced the slats like how

44:39

differently as your sports viewing

44:42

i'd enjoyment or experience

44:44

now versus ten years ago

44:47

the that's a good question

44:49

it's very different ah i will say

44:51

i mostly do not watch

44:53

my best in fact i would say

44:56

other than the nfl

44:57

the

45:00

other that like i'm when i see my best i should

45:02

clarify these are like big batch these are like

45:04

what my livelihood i most we

45:06

don't watch that because it stresses me out

45:08

causes anxiety i try not to follow

45:10

scores for that and real time

45:12

the

45:14

with the exception of nfl the only

45:16

reason i follow nfl in real time know

45:18

is because i'm producing content for nfl as

45:20

well so i feel the need to

45:22

keep up with the sport because i feel

45:24

the need to be able to talk about it at a larger

45:26

scale

45:27

that most the most money on nhl

45:31

i don't want to know what's happening especially

45:33

nights where i have thirteen

45:35

fourteen bats which happens like

45:38

that could be a massive swing

45:40

one way or the other and when you

45:43

you know and any might just be a break even

45:45

night but could have looked really bad

45:47

at one point and like now you

45:49

just ruined your entire evening because

45:51

you're thinking about the worst the entire time so

45:54

for me i enjoy sports better

45:56

or more a lot more when i don't have

45:58

money on the game

45:59

can attend a sports

46:01

event without money on the game

46:04

the and if i am like

46:06

if i am just casually watching a hockey game

46:08

i might throw alive bet on it but like something

46:11

that i'm not even like gonna spit it just

46:13

adds an element of fun to it for me

46:15

the to have a rooting interest even

46:17

if there's no edge

46:19

but

46:19

i could watch the game without it it doesn't matter

46:22

to me regardless so

46:25

the complete opposite of ten years ago

46:27

or tell you that then years ago i would have always

46:29

prioritized every single bet that i

46:31

have of like this is what i want to watch

46:34

nowadays i

46:37

might not even make if i have a heavy hockey

46:39

night for example let's say let's see there's ten

46:41

nhl games one night and i bet on eight of

46:43

them i won't watch one of the other two

46:45

because there's a good chance that during the broadcast

46:47

them going to see the scores from the other games and

46:50

i don't want anything to do with that so i try to really

46:52

just separate

46:55

myself from it all the

46:58

challenging for sure

47:00

but i i prefer life that

47:02

way

47:03

so i'm cute one thing

47:05

that one

47:08

of the way that i find have

47:11

you noticed everybody knows i like betting the

47:13

us all championship second tier american

47:15

soccer there you know like

47:17

i go to my local game there might be two hundred

47:19

people in the stands half of whom are family members

47:21

the pit players playing rights yeah

47:24

and i know there's people who are

47:27

betting into this because

47:29

data is available for these leagues as one

47:31

of the reasons why these leagues have begun become more

47:33

popular in batting as because we're getting

47:36

better data on these or

47:38

i feel like i have an edge is i

47:40

am a watching as much as much of this

47:43

these games i can for a qualitative

47:45

assessment on what i'm seeing rights

47:48

that is a clickable at a smaller league

47:50

like this do fine that's it like you

47:52

find that seem assessment to be valuable

47:55

watching the nfl when millions of

47:57

people are also watching the same game

48:00

yes and no so i

48:02

do think there is something to the

48:04

qualitative aspect and

48:06

some people being able to pick on pick up

48:08

on something the through watching

48:11

the broadcast with that said what i would

48:13

encourage everyone to do is

48:15

likes really started marking bees down

48:18

what you think you're noticing

48:20

in whether or not that comes to fruition

48:22

because a lot of times

48:26

you know people be right about something i'd i

48:28

knew that guy looked hurts you know he ends up

48:30

on injury report a couple weeks later i knew

48:33

he was playing hurt so on and so forth but

48:35

the they're quick to forget ah the time

48:37

that they thought someone was playing hurt and then they end up the

48:39

entire season like matt stafford and winning a super

48:42

bowl like how many times last year that people

48:44

telling me that matt stafford like

48:47

what he was playing heard by like if you're avoiding

48:49

betting on the rams why you know you

48:51

had a rough time he probably would want a lot of best the

48:53

it because you made that qualitative analysis

48:55

of itself i think there's something there but

48:58

i if you try to trust the

49:00

model of modeling approach as much as possible

49:03

there are are ultimately going to be times

49:05

i think in every sport where

49:07

you might get a model output that

49:09

you just feel is wrong and

49:12

that every better going to approach that differently

49:15

for me i might not bet that game for

49:18

other they might just force and they say not this the model

49:20

output they're gonna go with it for some others

49:22

it might send them into like a complete frenzy where they

49:24

think that they have the ritual everything that they're doing

49:26

it's like a this can't possibly be right type

49:29

of say so it it's different

49:31

for everyone but the

49:33

i do think you can beat sports betting by not watching

49:35

a single game the i

49:38

do think that there are for

49:40

for people who can do it properly

49:43

and not just you'll be biased by

49:45

every short term thing that they see there's

49:47

probably some value and

49:51

you know you can pick up on things but it's it's

49:53

a it's a slippery slope ah

49:55

at it's definitely for every

49:57

person that could pick up on something watching

49:59

a game there's going to be someone that

50:01

over values it and it's all that they think

50:03

about and it sticks in their head and this is why

50:05

most people actually suffer in terms of nfl betting

50:08

on a week to week basis because people are

50:10

conditioned to remember what they saw last

50:12

are they seem blew out this other team how are

50:14

they not gonna possibly blog this team

50:16

next week and it's like while i mean there's

50:19

there's range and in how they're going to play

50:21

maybe they played at the top end of their range and

50:24

that's all you'll remember self

50:27

not for everyone but i i do evaluated

50:30

for some people

50:32

for ah you know for soccer

50:34

a lot of it is you know i can look and i can

50:36

looking at expected goals metric and

50:39

know you know is is a team that's playing

50:41

for pacers as a team like is i

50:43

actually coming because they're getting value volume

50:45

of dangerous attacks or is it because

50:47

they're matriculate like they're being selective

50:50

an where you know you can make

50:53

further bats in game or

50:55

even you can get him for better derivative

50:57

that's if you've made that qualitative assessments

51:00

am i assessments i lived through an example

51:02

of this by this mean i was

51:04

my eyes helped me

51:07

you know saved me a lot of money in one hockey

51:09

season so i've i've lived through this like hockey

51:12

the to fix the

51:14

main statistic that use dow same for as soccer's

51:17

expected goals were there is tracking shot

51:19

locations shot type and

51:21

signing up a probability of a goal

51:23

on that location adding it up over

51:25

the course of a game by often times

51:28

i would watch a game this

51:30

is what i'm talking broadly will for five years ago when

51:32

expected goals started to become a thing

51:34

i'd be like no that's not

51:36

what i just watch these expected goals

51:39

are not an indicator of what

51:41

i just witnessed admire

51:43

you know my betting partner would say to me to log all these

51:45

games like log all the games where

51:47

you're seeing mess then we

51:49

can eventually dig into adams there's anything

51:52

specific that as and we noticed that there are specific

51:54

teams were was happening or wanna

51:56

be seems that actually turned out that expected goals as being

51:58

logged incorrectly together and

52:01

at at their home arena so

52:03

that was like okay we picked up on that

52:05

way quicker than market saved us a time

52:08

and the second one is like expected

52:11

goals as is great

52:12

there's a lot of items that are not incorporated

52:15

into it in hockey that

52:17

are meaningful so for example

52:20

you know it a shot from the

52:22

blue line is going to be very different depending

52:24

on the past before the sought

52:28

where the gobi is in the next

52:30

not a goalie gives away parking is not in the net

52:32

someone shooting at an open mat expected

52:34

goal should be a lot higher than if the goal using

52:36

the in the middle of the net so we started

52:38

to pick up on these little things that

52:40

were not being logged on we tried to capture them

52:42

better than the public metric was

52:45

capturing them the and

52:47

reno is for fairly success successful

52:49

in doing that so there is like

52:51

i don't want to , out here and say i there's

52:53

no an advantage to to watching the games

52:55

there is but you you also reach

52:57

of like i'm a point where it's like met

53:00

this a lot of work like a lot of

53:02

work to bat wake up at seven

53:05

in the morning say you can get your bets in as

53:07

soon as limits come off be available

53:09

all day as news is coming in

53:11

right up until game time right up until that last

53:14

game goes off of that day then watch

53:16

games on top of it to gain anything meaningful

53:19

then when are you going to incorporate that into

53:21

the model itself it gets

53:23

to a point of like it's probably

53:26

valuable but is it worth

53:28

my time

53:30

and end is a is a slippery

53:33

slope because if you watch of in

53:35

a six game of in if is t max play

53:37

six games the watched the first to miss

53:39

the next three and and watch the six minus

53:41

you know it's you can't you know who knows

53:43

what you didn't see rights like i it yet

53:46

and us one thing that i noticing

53:48

as as a developing

53:50

a successful better is learning

53:52

the art of sports betting rights

53:54

like and enough the how can i keep accounts

53:57

open how can a manager you

53:59

know and account in outs you know expectations

54:01

of try to get my down the

54:04

do you think that there's an opportunity

54:07

for content and education

54:09

here or do you think that that gap

54:11

between rak

54:13

plus and successful

54:17

not quite because i wanted become a pro better you've

54:19

essentially figured that out maybe rent or you'd

54:21

use mates you've gotten through

54:23

that truck that tough period do

54:25

you think that there is a a

54:27

a opportunity for that or do you

54:29

think of that gap is so small

54:31

that he would he would miss so many people's

54:33

i need for what they at with for

54:35

hours for what they need

54:38

i think personally it's good content but

54:40

i also think it's nice and most

54:42

people don't care that's the reality

54:44

of it most people just they

54:46

would rather have watch me

54:49

break down the board

54:50

the day go game by game give

54:52

my thoughts what i'm betting what i'm picking

54:55

then give them a piece of advice that

54:57

is so much more valuable than that they

54:59

just don't care

55:00

that's the reality of it like you

55:03

know especially

55:04

once you get to that that semi sharp

55:06

level you're you're in the process of trying to

55:08

learn like either the people that consume my podcast

55:11

that follow me on twitter consumed my content

55:14

but there's just so many people out there that are like

55:16

give me to pick give me your rationale

55:18

for the back and , they're going to go bad

55:20

into the worst possible number in the market like

55:23

they're they're just doing themselves a

55:25

huge disservice but they don't even realize it

55:27

so i don't want to see like

55:30

i don't want to see that there's no need for it because

55:32

are deathly yes it's this type of caught it's

55:34

a type of content i like to produce as well

55:36

because i feel like i'm actually providing bill

55:39

it funny

55:41

the i do that and that's that's legitimate

55:44

value provided that's learnings that

55:46

people can take away they will

55:48

become a better better if they

55:50

implement those

55:52

or even process them in a gets i'm thinking in

55:54

a different way but i

55:56

can do that or i can

55:58

do a sunday morning and the show

56:01

where i will literally lead off the

56:03

show with

56:04

you should not be betting at this

56:07

time

56:07

you're doing yourself a huge disservice or

56:09

whatever and people don't care

56:12

they are just so fascinating what i think about

56:14

every game at that and they're probably going

56:16

to blind retail it even though i'm not betting

56:18

it at that time like i'll explicitly say i'm

56:20

not betting this at this time so

56:24

it's

56:26

yeah it's just the is just a weird space

56:28

but i think it it

56:30

starts with people being unable

56:32

to admit that they lose that's where it starts

56:35

or unable to admit not even that

56:37

they lose that there's an opportunity for

56:39

growth that there's more for them

56:41

to learn and i've personally gone

56:43

down that path in life so i get how it is

56:45

not front of you know be hypocritical or anything

56:48

i get it totally understand it you come

56:50

to a point where you just thinking about things

56:52

figured out and there's no possible

56:55

you know way that you're going to learn but

56:59

yeah that died type of content wow

57:02

i loved consuming that i

57:05

know some people who have gone from rak

57:07

sharp from consuming content

57:09

like that there's just not an appetite

57:12

for it and i don't know that there ever

57:14

will be

57:16

yeah

57:17

agreed well

57:20

i i'll , this opportunity

57:22

to endorse circles off podcast one

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we listen to the week of it's release we have podcast

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with since you like a month later ah circles

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off as a week of release podcast

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for me so cena to you and zani and the produces

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over there putting out such a good product

57:42

i appreciate that i mean we're

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just trying to fill a gap in market i mean there's there

57:47

was really when we started that there's nothing

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like that out there and which

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which and it's kind of evolved over time

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as well but it's great i like doing that show

57:56

i mean it's it's it's uproot

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is one of my favorite hours of every

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in a week

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yeah a very good rothys

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then that robert look forward to all your nfl contents

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58:23

the same you

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the a lot of fun

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one eighty eight assuming episode

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two hundred is sort of it's own beast

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only got ten or eleven podcasts set

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that have sort of always wanted to be in a sign

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i'm hoping that i can then they can get

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on the books one it's more

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local and little more in

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what easier for me to justify and pull

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off august

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august thirty first through

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september second at see

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wednesday thursday friday i

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will be in atlantic city that has the plan

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anyhow

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with the with good chances

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are just gotta work gotta work things out with

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a day job makes a that's going to work but

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that's what's on the calendar right

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now that looks very likely so ah

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if you're interested or think you want to swing through

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let me know ah i'm i'm likely

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to be staying at borgata playing elsewhere

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i'll probably hit the like it oh

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a warm and i'll be playing a borgata as well but

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i want to be holed up in a borgata years

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and i'm saying i'll be staying there ah but

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i'll be hit the boardwalk as well

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so that's that's the plan their

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and that's all i got that's the that's

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news

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better life tees in the

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ah in the shop got a couple things here

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for anybody who's interested and

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atlantic city trip at the

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end of august august

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thirty first first their thirty

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first through september

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second eric and eric were talking about dame

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ah if you were to hang and number

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fine how many times i visit

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atlantic city in my first

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ten years living in the washington

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d c area have been for ten years now i

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moved here in two thousand and twelve

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i don't know what that number really

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would have been but i guarantee you

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i've gone away under that number

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a medic i didn't count on one hand how many times

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have been to atlantic city since i've moved here i mean

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it's not a lot ah ai

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the only big part of it

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is because my first moved here at and have a whole lot

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of us are expendable income to

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be making such trips or going to the casino

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and otherwise there's local casinos

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right and ends and third

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i guess is it the you know i didn't

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do it right as in and i'm not doing so

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i'm gonna be other i'm filing yeah has

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he finally like i'm have been there before but ah

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been able to figure out a couple days that are gonna

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work and then it makes sense for me

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my family so ah that is

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what's going on hopefully going

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to happen so some you can be there are

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some

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okay ah barrel a

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patron are complex have been have life as we can support

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they like a what does your closing down

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the better life as a platform

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as a brand continues on the podcast

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is was likely being put the bad other

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content will be underway and

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if i do create content is mighty gonna hit patriotic

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ah you know more sooner

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than later

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my monthly episodes of eric next

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one can eat coming out next week also

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better viewing with marked evolve will be

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recorded and hopefully released next because

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wealth or can be watching both versions

1:05:12

of the gambler first be or the original

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with with mr james caan and

1:05:17

then the newer one in this or walberg those

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units in movie though you want on the next better

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viewing so if you're into that show that

1:05:24

shows coming the that new episodes of coming out and those

1:05:26

are the movies that were watching okay

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ah thank you everybody for listening thank

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you for your support think of all your kind words

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in a in this transition in my life

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on behalf of rob has zola

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i activity boston