This week Simon and Paul are joined by Chris Crozier, Vice President, Australia Pacific for Orica. Together they discuss how Chris moved to be in his current position, after being involved in technology for over 15 years, without being a technologist. Chris also talks about what co-innovation with customers looks like at Orica, and how designing for outcomes can create and capture value for these customers. In their discussion to uncover Chris’ beyond mindset, they also discover why he believes taking risks and failing are all part of taking a step forward in learning.

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