0:04

Hi, I'm Brigid Esslemont and this is

0:06

the Biddy Tarot podcast where you'll discover

0:08

how to trust your intuition, access your

0:11

inner power and bring a little magic

0:13

into your everyday life with Tarot as

0:15

your guide. Each week I share

0:17

my favorite Tarot tips and I chat

0:19

with special guests all about Tarot and intuition.

0:21

Now, whether you're new to Tarot or you're

0:24

an experienced Tarot professional, you are in the

0:26

right place, my friend. Now let's get started.

0:29

Welcome everyone. I have a special

0:31

guest and a wonderful friend of

0:33

mine, Maya Tull. Welcome

0:35

and so beautiful to see you here and

0:38

so good to share this space together. I

0:41

am so glad to be here. It's been too

0:43

long. Yeah. So if you

0:46

don't know Maya already, let me just share

0:48

a little bit about Maya's background. So Maya's

0:51

the award-winning author of Letting Magic

0:53

In, which actually is a beautiful

0:55

book right here. We'll talk a

0:57

little bit more about this amazing

0:59

book. And she's also

1:01

the author of The Night School and

1:03

also the Wild Wisdom series, which is

1:05

a beautiful like Oracle, the series of

1:07

Oracle decks and books and it's just

1:09

delicious and divine. So Maya

1:12

pursued an undergraduate degree at the

1:14

University of Michigan and then also

1:16

a master's at New York University.

1:18

And then she went to Ireland

1:20

of all places to apprentice with

1:22

this healer, traditional healer. And

1:25

she started to really learn about the

1:27

growing cycles of plants, the alchemy of

1:30

medicine making and the

1:32

psycho-spiritual effects of healing. And

1:35

now Maya, if that's not enough

1:37

being an award-winning author and an

1:39

amazing, what do we say, herbologist.

1:41

She's also the co-owner of the

1:43

retail store, Herbary, which is located

1:45

in Asheville and also Philadelphia. And

1:48

if you don't find Maya in one of

1:50

those stores, she's off writing books and

1:52

creating absolute word magic everywhere she

1:55

goes. So it is an absolute

1:57

honor to have you here Maya.

2:00

also be talking about today about

2:02

really connecting in with your inner voice

2:04

and your inner wisdom. And

2:06

Maya's going to be sharing some of her

2:09

personal experiences, particularly from the

2:11

book of Learning Magic Inn. And

2:13

what I love about this particular

2:15

book is it's Maya's story.

2:17

So it's very much

2:19

about this journey of un-

2:23

not unravelling but being dived off

2:25

some tithing debug into the layers

2:27

of who we really are and

2:30

our core essence and Maya's journey

2:32

to really understanding her inner wisdom

2:34

and her intuition. And I

2:37

think what's beautiful about it is it's

2:39

just a real normalisation of getting

2:42

in touch with our intuition. So

2:44

Maya, I would love for you just

2:46

to share a couple of highlights really from

2:48

your journey that you've

2:52

given, doven, see you've done, done.

2:54

Into this beautiful book. So yeah,

3:01

I'd love to hear just some of those highlights

3:03

that were turning points for you. Yeah,

3:06

you know it's so nice to hear you say that the

3:08

book normalises this process because

3:11

that's really what I was going

3:13

for. I was hoping to normalise

3:16

processes of connecting with your intuition, the

3:18

process of seeing the world

3:21

through your third eye instead of your

3:23

two eyes. And

3:25

along the way, I was hoping to drop some breadcrumbs

3:27

so that people who are following their own path, which

3:30

could be very different from my path, are still able

3:34

to feel like the

3:37

story is pulling them along on

3:39

whatever journey they're on. So for

3:42

me, I think like

3:45

many people, when I was

3:47

quite young, I

3:49

had a very expansive experience of

3:51

the world. And I'm not

3:53

going to say an intuitive experience because I

3:56

didn't know what that expansiveness was. For instance,

3:58

I remember I would Any

4:00

and Ten and I remember it like

4:02

going: it's my parents' room crying because

4:05

it sounded like a record played on

4:07

like a superfan. Be it. And.

4:10

I did hear something but I didn't know what it was.

4:13

And you know my parents. Were

4:15

not in that realm. And so.

4:18

They they really know what it was are

4:20

either you know I that sent to therapy

4:22

Very down. On. All

4:26

these like bubbly. Were.

4:29

Ignored. You. Know

4:31

not normalize that kind of shoved

4:33

under the bed. And

4:35

though things just kept perky throughout

4:37

my life, You.

4:40

Know in that I wrote about in letting

4:42

Match again. It really started

4:44

to bubble up. And. It

4:47

all the suing things like working with

4:49

zero cards and. They

4:52

didn't turn and then send like

4:55

like flooding into things that were

4:57

more spiritual. But the real turning

4:59

point was when a friend. Passed away and

5:01

we have lived in the same health island

5:03

and of in the basement apartment and she

5:05

lived above me. and after she

5:07

after she passed. These.

5:10

Things started happening in the house. And

5:13

so I you know, eyes dart but

5:15

it. Really? Having to.

5:19

Have a conversation with. Myself about what I

5:21

was experiencing, You. Know whether

5:23

it was real. Better.

5:25

I was a big the mother had or whether I

5:27

have some control over at. All

5:30

to move through. This.

5:32

Experience in a way that out scene.

5:35

And that was the beginning of

5:37

a long it were a son

5:39

and a multiyear exploration of intuition

5:41

which. Interestingly,

5:44

Cel over the time. That

5:46

America experiment. Nine Eleven. And

5:50

so that was that. Are you know that

5:52

was a very it i consume time like

5:54

very similar to what we're in right now.

5:56

And. It

5:59

was a. Very. unique

6:02

testing results. As

6:05

I was trying to burn about intuition.

6:08

Because. I was really jap out

6:10

of my nervous system was really.up

6:12

and fell. I was. Once.

6:14

In everything today and intuitive head.

6:17

And I hadn't really learn. To

6:20

discern between what was my in our boys

6:22

or what was what I call your bully

6:24

brain you know your brain to was know

6:26

what's going on and it wants to tell

6:28

you what's going on and oh my god

6:30

there's a black in the subway and you

6:32

know what we're going to get bombed and

6:34

like all the the like. Moment.

6:37

that my brain kept giving the and really

6:39

starting to be. But who.

6:41

Are Watson delicious? Hundred that

6:44

feel what field different. When

6:46

I'm actually getting an intuitive

6:48

ten. Vs when my

6:50

brain as don't you know. Going.

6:53

Ape shit and doing its own crazy. That.

6:58

Oh. Yeah. And

7:00

I think that's also what I love that

7:02

that is stories that you haven't necessarily. Come

7:04

into the as well with like magical gifts

7:06

and so on. I mean we're all gifted

7:08

and get me wrong, But

7:11

I love that you share your struggles. Bike,

7:13

the. Human reality. Of

7:15

awakening to your intuition.

7:17

His night out. Many of you

7:19

also have had similar experiences perhaps

7:22

we've had we had seems happened.

7:24

that is. kind of push it

7:26

away because. It's not normal

7:28

or is an acceptable. Or maybe those times

7:30

where you do you your intuition that you

7:32

push it away because the bully Ray and

7:34

I haven't had that one before. I love

7:36

it on the bully brain. What's to come

7:38

in and and a rational as everything. Went

7:41

was at my and that really made

7:44

a decision. That you would put

7:46

your intuition says that you would

7:48

say Yes to your intuition. You.

7:51

Know I think it was the slow process.

7:54

It was not like there was not

7:56

one moment, but I'd say that the

7:58

culmination came. when And this

8:03

is drawn out in book, so if you

8:05

want more details, you can read. There

8:09

came a point where I looked

8:11

at my life and it

8:13

seemed to be unraveling. It just seemed

8:16

like it was kind of

8:18

falling apart and I realized in

8:20

that moment that I

8:22

had a choice. I was thinking that I could kind

8:25

of go with what I

8:27

was feeling which was that this

8:29

unraveling was what was supposed

8:31

to be happening. We

8:33

were supposed to be moving

8:36

into a period of letting things go

8:38

so that something new could be

8:40

born or I could fight it. And

8:43

I've been doing a lot of work

8:46

with various

8:48

indigenous practitioners who were very

8:51

seasonally based. And

8:53

so even though it wasn't

8:55

autumn in the season, it

8:57

was autumn in my life. Things

9:00

were falling away. And

9:03

in that moment, I could

9:05

decide to actively participate in the falling away

9:07

or I could try

9:10

to stick the leaves back on the trees.

9:13

I try to put it back to the way things

9:15

were. And it

9:18

became very clear to me that

9:20

there was a joy

9:22

in following the

9:25

path that was laid out before me,

9:27

following the path that my intuition said

9:30

was the right path. That was something

9:32

that instead of being scary, all of

9:34

a sudden I believed in my inner

9:36

voice enough that it

9:39

became joyful. And I

9:42

think that's when I knew, that's when

9:44

I felt the difference. It

9:46

was no longer like, oh, my intuition says I

9:48

should do this on kind of

9:50

a least stepping forward. I

9:52

got to this moment where I was like, I feel

9:55

this and there's no doubt

9:57

in my mind and it's giving

9:59

me joy. joy to get

10:02

into that feeling instead

10:04

of being tentative about

10:06

it. That

10:08

was like the big turning point. The way I think of it

10:11

now is there's

10:14

a current in your life and

10:18

you can hop into a

10:20

boat and ride that current. That's your

10:22

intuition. Or

10:25

you can run along the bank, like

10:27

thrashing your way through the bomb, but

10:30

you know, tripping over whatever and

10:32

trying to find your way along

10:35

the river. Once

10:37

you step into the boat, you

10:41

give up a certain amount of control. And

10:44

we love control, you know. I'm

10:47

not a religious

10:49

person, but the

10:52

phrase, thy will not my will,

10:57

came to me at that point in

10:59

my life and it was really grounding.

11:02

When I started to try to exert

11:05

control over the

11:07

river, you can't control the river, right?

11:10

You can ride the river, but you can't control the river. I

11:13

would kind of look at that mental river and I'd

11:15

say, thy will not my will and just really

11:18

fit my ass back

11:20

down in my little boat and

11:22

see where I'm at. And

11:25

for me, this is really about this lean

11:28

thing to the co-creating with the

11:30

universe and co-creating with the energy that's

11:32

around us. And I've

11:34

been exploring a bit more about what

11:36

is free will actually to mean.

11:40

Because I'm starting to feel more

11:43

and more that actually we

11:46

are one of the universe. There

11:49

is no separation. We are the

11:51

entity, the overall entity. And

11:54

so we cannot help but Co-create

11:57

with this universal energy to be able to

11:59

jump into. The repairing the by and

12:01

sky with that flight we think that

12:03

was show incident. Scramble around in the

12:05

brambles. It's.

12:07

It's that's a separation Titus

12:10

mindset. And. Yeah,

12:12

I am also having. That experience

12:14

of way if I can just

12:16

sad panda trust and surrender unlike

12:19

those control. Jump in the

12:21

river, go into flurry and then everything

12:23

return So much easier. it may not

12:25

be easy in the moment. Say not.

12:28

I'm hearing in your story to were

12:30

like you could his suitcase Lisa in

12:32

the train. I had a tad meeting

12:35

in. Pain again since

12:37

leases people around you that and

12:39

as are you doing you know

12:41

a crazy where. You know,

12:43

how did I Bears and. I'm

12:46

that ultimately inside and

12:48

out.really noise? That. There's.

12:51

Always like a jet stream and that see

12:53

why that you get in with the scientists

12:56

say behind. Yeah, and

12:58

that you know it's interesting. because I like.

13:00

I think that it's really good to call

13:02

out. That. The seeing on the

13:04

river being in the jet stream does

13:06

not mean that your license necessarily easy.

13:09

Or. That is. Good. You

13:11

know that things can happen on the river.

13:13

Things. That are really uncomfortable or

13:16

really painful. And. To happen on

13:18

the river. And there's still a

13:20

sense of the. In the right place at the right

13:22

man. It's not always rainbows and

13:24

unicorns. Some. Time. Is.

13:27

Incredibly difficult and yet.

13:30

There's. This sense, it almost feels like

13:32

a tug. A

13:34

string from your tell? That. You're

13:36

going in the right direction. You're.

13:38

One of my teachers this recently

13:40

was sharing we we are always

13:42

in essence. As and pundits and

13:44

learning about and being in and

13:47

about abundant energy. And

13:49

we always have to pods towards that.

13:52

One. Is that sort? Of pleasure Pass

13:54

It is abundant and that leads

13:56

to abundance. That side to this

13:58

pain can lead to abundant pay

14:00

and my to delaney. And

14:02

if we look at eyes moments throughout

14:04

alliance where we do they three the

14:06

struggles and trust that this is actually

14:08

hot as the abandoned blow and pot

14:10

is delaying outcome it it puts it

14:12

back into context and as a sane

14:14

and my a psych that it is

14:17

that pull that actually these lady the

14:19

to something much better he be his

14:21

painful and name and. Yeah.

14:23

And I think it takes he added that to mentality. Because

14:26

it's your like I am here. On.

14:29

Bikes of Reber of my Life on the

14:31

journey of my life and I am at

14:33

that moment and I don't like I don't

14:35

but I get a feel good as. You

14:38

know it's physically emotionally. There's some pain,

14:40

plants. And. And

14:43

learning from it as an acute few because

14:45

you know you're on your own path. It

14:48

really keeps you from blaming other people

14:50

for your path. Which. Is what

14:52

victim mentality? air? Med and

14:55

has it that censor of. It's

14:57

done by the alpha. Thought of. That I'm

14:59

on the river. Ah

15:01

you know, instead of. This

15:04

is part of the journey that I need to

15:06

take. A. Which.

15:08

Is a very. Different. Mind

15:10

that and. You know, I.

15:13

Think it's really important for all of

15:16

us? To. Acknowledge

15:20

the pain Pacers. See.

15:22

Cause otherwise. This.

15:26

Belief System. Isn't

15:28

Third, As soon as

15:30

he had a pain play your sense of

15:32

who you are called church. Riot.

15:35

And so in order to buy really

15:37

be able to say grounded in South.

15:40

Usaf. To be opposed to

15:42

like full, ride it through. The

15:44

Bad: Furious. Wow. If. It only

15:46

works when everything's. Going well,

15:49

Then. It doesn't actually

15:51

work. right? Yeah.

15:55

What? Do you think my of and Spain when

15:57

is your biggest pain points? It's actually. Lead

15:59

see. Abundance are breakthrough

16:01

or and learning and sometimes. He

16:05

the Obama a. Physical.

16:08

Pain. Points. Oh he

16:10

goes through cycles. And.

16:13

Right now as a cycle of dealing with.

16:15

Extreme bird ago. And

16:18

I've had. Multiple

16:21

angles, And with

16:23

each plan. Ever learned that they are

16:25

not my style of. I've developed

16:27

a new special packers. I've.

16:29

Found. Different how? Third then I knew before

16:31

of the set for me things tend to come

16:34

through my body. And. Still a

16:36

had a period where I. Was getting

16:38

migraines three or four times a week. Like

16:40

bomb had a migraine. And.

16:44

Worked. Through that rule button, a

16:46

lot from that. And. Then

16:48

some new says because things uma, silk

16:50

or me, I'm I'm kinda like the

16:52

canary in the coal mine. You

16:55

know, Things that are

16:57

Energetic Whitney and Physical Day. And

17:00

a half the time to. Feed.

17:02

My way through and figure out. What

17:05

it is. And I'm taking an

17:07

there's been some bizarre oh stop. The.

17:09

Most bizarre. Was.

17:12

The electric line into my house.

17:15

Was like. It was screwed up

17:17

our whole neighborhood. It turned out with this why

17:19

I Are it. And I

17:22

became increasingly. Hunter

17:24

of Electricity to the point where

17:26

some look at found in a

17:28

different room with a meter on

17:30

the electric. And I can. Be.

17:32

Like thirds. Centers.

17:35

And I was right average same. Plan.

17:38

And. You know, They

17:41

are actually discovered. This

17:43

issue. With the

17:45

electric in are very old neighborhood. Apparently.

17:49

It. There had been an electric fire in one

17:51

house. It would have burned through like the in

17:53

houses because they weren't ground that. and

17:56

you know when the electric company first came out

17:58

they thought i was crazy person But

18:01

because I trusted myself so much

18:04

and had dug up so much evidence like being able

18:06

to say when there was a surge even though I

18:09

wasn't in the room with the meter and things like

18:11

that, I was able to present

18:13

them with enough evidence and they found the

18:15

problem. They actually found the problem with how

18:17

the houses were wired. So

18:20

I think that we're always going back

18:22

and forth between our inner

18:24

realm and the outer realm.

18:28

How do we make our inner realms talk through the

18:30

outer realm? How do we put our

18:33

intuition into words that a person who

18:35

is not us can understand? Because

18:38

you all know this from tarot. You're

18:41

working with symbols, right? When

18:44

you pull a card and you

18:46

see the chariot, you

18:49

have to translate that symbol. And so

18:51

a lot of times when we're working

18:53

with intuition, we're getting

18:55

things in the language of symbols. We're

18:57

getting things in a language that other people

18:59

might not understand. Now with

19:01

tarot, we have a group of symbols

19:04

that we've all agreed means the same thing.

19:08

We've been told the chariot means this. And

19:11

you add some nuance to that over time as

19:13

you're reading, but there's a baseline

19:15

that we all agree on. But

19:17

then let's say your grandmother

19:19

appears in a dream. And

19:23

maybe Bridget's grandmother was

19:25

like a naughty

19:28

socialite who

19:30

always made her use the proper fork

19:33

and sit up straight at the table. And

19:35

my grandmother was this slovenly

19:38

knitter who made me fisherman sweaters with

19:40

two sleeves that were differently. So

19:42

when grandma appears in a dream, it means

19:44

something really different to me than to Bridget.

19:46

We don't have a shared symbolism

19:49

there. So we're

19:51

always translating the

19:54

way that our intuition comes in for

19:56

us into language that the

19:58

outer world can understand. And

20:01

that takes a bit of a

20:04

nuanced understanding of our own brain

20:06

because our brain is the filter through

20:08

which we're able to express our intuition. Yeah,

20:13

absolutely. And I think sometimes that's

20:16

why I think Taro is such a great

20:18

intuitive tool is because it is physical,

20:22

tangible piece of

20:24

cardboard where you

20:26

know how you can go like people go, oh I

20:28

went to the psychic and pretty sure that we're using

20:31

Taro cards but they weren't actually using them because

20:33

really what they're doing is they're working action in

20:35

the psychic realm and they're using

20:37

cards just to keep everyone's comments

20:40

alright. And you won't

20:42

set it on the card. And I think

20:44

even as Taro readers if we don't identify

20:47

as psychic but perhaps more intuitive like I

20:49

do, I think what Taro really

20:51

has to do is go, it

20:53

normalises really actually normalises our

20:55

intuition. It goes, well I'm having

20:57

this feeling and the card says like Chariot

20:59

says will power in direction that's the feeling

21:01

I'm having so yes we're all okay like

21:03

that's what it means. And

21:06

it gives it a language, it gives it a picture

21:08

and an image so that we can convey

21:10

an intuitive message to others

21:12

and even to ourselves as well

21:15

because I think yeah I often talk

21:17

about like with Taro you don't

21:19

actually have to be intuitive to start

21:21

reading Taro I see is like the

21:23

training wheels to your intuition and these

21:26

Taro cards are actually what will enhance

21:28

your intuition not the other way around. Can

21:31

you speak to kind of these

21:33

different intuitive tools that we might embrace

21:35

in our journey to really access our

21:37

inner voice, to express and articulate

21:40

our invovals, what role do they play?

21:43

Yeah so my

21:45

teacher in Ireland used to say we use the

21:47

tool till we don't need the tools anymore you

21:50

know and so I think that like

21:53

I was saying to Brit it before we got on I'm

21:55

an earth girl like I like

21:57

to have some stuff. know

22:00

and fiddling with the crystal which

22:06

is really is made

22:08

for me to get like really

22:14

up in the upper chakra and get super

22:17

airy fairy and once I get airy fairy

22:22

I lose half of that physical board

22:25

material world where we all live

22:27

right we're embodied spirit we're not that's free floating

22:30

spirit and so by working

22:32

with tools it keeps me grounded you

22:35

know I'm not like I'm just sitting here without

22:37

any like preparation I've got a kazillion things around

22:40

me on the desk I have a

22:42

pendulum which I went

22:44

out to dinner one time with

22:46

a woman who literally only question

22:49

you after she went down to a peg a woman

22:51

she you know she could

22:53

answer a question by herself I was like oh

22:55

my god but sometimes when

22:57

the world feels murky like when

23:00

I'm not sure what I'm feeling

23:02

and I just need to go

23:04

back to pure energy then I

23:06

pull up my pendulum and I'm like you know

23:08

it lets me get my brain out of the

23:10

way and just deal

23:14

with like the energetic moment

23:16

I've got crystals all over the

23:18

desk I do a lot

23:20

with talisman you know like how I adorn

23:24

myself is part

23:26

of my grounding routine part of my ritual

23:29

for the day like lots

23:31

of reminders built into

23:33

different pieces of jewelry and things like

23:35

that to kind of keep me where I

23:38

need to be so yeah

23:40

I'm a big fan of the physical

23:43

stuff I've seen myself

23:46

and other people spend too much time

23:48

in the other world and I feel

23:50

like we

23:52

need to go there and come back and

23:55

the tools help us to do that right like

23:57

when we pick up our cards

24:00

we're kind of crossing over

24:02

into our psychic intuitive space.

24:05

When we put our cards away,

24:07

we're coming back. You know, if

24:09

you do journey work, I always teach

24:11

people open a door and you

24:14

before you go down

24:16

into the underworld and come back

24:19

up the same way, close the

24:21

door behind you. You know, I'm

24:23

here and then I'm there and there's no

24:25

bleed over between the two. I kind

24:27

of consider that like it's like a hygiene really

24:31

separating so that you're

24:33

not in that space of, I

24:37

call it listening to the radio, you

24:39

know, where stuff is just like flying by. It

24:41

went through a

24:43

period where I called

24:46

it disaster radio. I would wake up in the

24:48

morning and I'd be like, well

24:50

Drew, a plane crash and

24:52

he'd be like, plane crash? I'm like, a

24:54

plane crash? And he'd get online

24:57

and you know, sure enough a

24:59

six-seater plane crashed over Arkansas or

25:01

whatever and it was just constantly picking

25:03

up on things. I

25:05

couldn't do anything about it. I mean,

25:09

you know what I mean? It wasn't like I could be

25:11

helpful. It was like a parlor trip.

25:14

Like, oh I know a plane crash, right?

25:17

But I couldn't stop the

25:19

plane crashing. I couldn't help the people

25:21

who were in the plane crash. So

25:23

it made

25:25

me realize that I needed to have

25:28

that door and in

25:30

this space and I'm listening now and out

25:33

of this space and I'm in, you know, I'm

25:35

in my regular life. So the tools

25:38

become like a chew. I've

25:40

picked up my cards, I'm in this space.

25:43

I put down my cards and out of

25:45

this space. So

25:47

you know, there's different ways to do

25:49

it for different things. Like if you're

25:51

doing visualization, dream work, things like that

25:53

then you need more of a

25:56

visual cue for your in-out

25:58

but I think it's easy. when

26:01

you're working with the card stuff. I

26:03

also find with cards like that

26:06

I'm in and I'm out it's super important for

26:08

getting an accurate read. Because if

26:10

you just pick up your cards in your life, la

26:12

di da di, I'm pulling a card and you just

26:14

pull a card. What

26:16

does it mean? It doesn't relate to anything.

26:18

Like people say to me I pulled a

26:20

card and it says blah blah

26:22

blah what does that mean and I'm like well what

26:25

was your question? They're

26:28

like oh no question I just pulled a

26:30

card. I'm like well that means

26:32

you pull the card. You

26:35

know like you've got to

26:37

you've got to create a container for

26:39

the energy and say we

26:41

are now in this space and

26:44

here's why we're here. This is the work we're doing.

26:47

Otherwise it's totally random. Yeah

26:51

actually yesterday's call

26:53

with our certification students we

26:56

were talking about boundary setting

26:58

and I actually think this is

27:00

really opening up. Some

27:02

more thoughts around that because it is important

27:04

to open the space and close the space

27:07

and that is your boundary and your

27:09

container of the reading. Because even if

27:11

you don't close like if you forget to

27:13

really close down like that

27:15

energetic connection then what can happen is

27:18

you still can have that person on

27:20

your mind, there's energetic exchange happening and

27:22

that's when it can feel like you're

27:25

getting that level of spiritual

27:27

burnout because it's like oh why

27:29

am I having like feeling all these feelings

27:31

and it's because you've actually kept the container

27:33

open and so having that show

27:36

is really important. Yeah

27:38

and really knowing the difference between like yourself

27:41

and anyone you're working with. When

27:43

I first started working as an

27:46

herbalist I started taking

27:48

on the symptom of

27:50

the person I was working with and at

27:52

first I thought it was really cool because

27:55

I'd like read about trauma and weak in

27:57

the illness of the

27:59

person. And then I got

28:01

a goiter working

28:04

with a really big goiter. This

28:06

is like, to take

28:08

this in and then expel it. And

28:11

all I'm doing is taking it in.

28:14

So, you know, I became

28:17

really clear with myself, right?

28:19

Because this is my energy, so I need to

28:21

manage it. That if

28:24

I needed to get like a sip of

28:27

how the person was feeling, I

28:30

could do that, I could get that little

28:32

hit so that I could understand what their

28:34

body was feeling. And

28:36

then, okay, I feel

28:38

it, I understand, this is

28:40

yours, not mine, this is me,

28:42

this is you. And so,

28:45

when you're doing a reading, it's the same

28:47

thing, right, you're kind of stepping

28:50

into the flow of someone else's river, so that

28:54

you can say, oh look, you

28:56

know, you're going east and there's a plain

28:58

tree over there and you're

29:00

in the boat, you're all good. Or your boat's

29:02

about to have size, or you know, whatever

29:04

it is the cards are guiding you to share.

29:07

And then you need to kind of step back

29:09

into your own river, into your own boat,

29:12

and let them go on their way. Yep,

29:15

it's, yeah, very smart spiritual

29:17

hygiene that will give

29:19

you an energy leakage

29:22

in the future, that's for sure. Maya,

29:24

something that you talk about in your book

29:27

is where you

29:30

were ready to manifest something new in your

29:32

life, but you knew you needed to release the

29:35

old parts of you. Can you speak a

29:38

little bit to that? So,

29:42

this is actually become my very favorite

29:44

part of my

29:46

spiritual work. You know,

29:48

we talk a lot about manifesting, about calling in,

29:52

but I have really come to

29:54

love the letting go. The

29:57

creating space, so

29:59

that something... new can come in. So

30:03

I have a vision of the wheel

30:05

of the year where

30:10

spring is like the time of growth and then

30:12

we move into summer where we have flowers

30:15

blooming into early autumn,

30:18

things are fruiting and then as we get into

30:21

late autumn, things are

30:23

releasing. And after

30:25

things release in the natural

30:27

world, like you'll have all these leaves from

30:29

the ground and under the

30:31

leaves, you have the

30:34

seeds like the acorns and things. And

30:36

over the course of early winter,

30:38

they're burrowing in little towns. They're

30:41

not going up, they're going down, right?

30:45

They're burrowing down

30:47

so that they

30:49

can begin to put down roots, so

30:52

that they can begin to grow up.

30:56

And so that burrowing down, that

30:58

going deeper within oneself, I think

31:00

is an incredibly cozy

31:03

moment. It's a moment that we fear,

31:05

like we're so scared of letting go

31:07

of things because letting go often indicates

31:09

a lot of change and

31:12

not the change that other people

31:14

necessarily understand, right? Like

31:16

we live in a culture that understands growth.

31:20

If you tell people you're building a business or

31:22

writing a book or growing a

31:24

family or whatever it is, people are like,

31:26

yes, yes. But if you

31:28

tell them that you're selling your

31:30

house and no, you don't know where

31:33

you're going, you're leaving your partner,

31:36

you're dropping out of school, you're

31:38

getting rid of

31:41

all your clothes. Like people go, what? Huh? You've

31:44

worked really hard to accumulate whatever

31:46

that is. And

31:48

so there's that fear of, there's that fear of

31:50

relief and honestly I think fear of death.

31:53

That's what it is. You know, if you

31:55

let go of too much stuff, you

31:58

let go of all of it. And

32:01

so being able to

32:04

move into this space where we're

32:06

accepting of the release has

32:08

become a really meaningful

32:11

part of my own virtual work and a part of

32:13

the work that I've seen like

32:16

more than any other bit

32:19

of work I do, this

32:21

has helped people to find

32:23

a different rhythm. Like

32:25

I have people who always needed the season of winter and

32:29

suddenly they're like, oh my god I love winter. I've

32:32

had people tell me that this

32:34

has helped like this ability to let go

32:36

has really helped when there's been a death

32:39

in the family. That

32:41

understanding that it's okay

32:44

that we can really allow them to move

32:46

through that space in a different way. So

32:49

it feels like a part of

32:51

the cycle that's just immensely important

32:53

and immensely neglected. And

32:58

reflecting kind of on my own life

33:00

phases, I find it very hard to

33:02

pee in that, like what I call

33:04

kind of the pregnant pause. So

33:07

even like say a few

33:09

months ago, I've been in

33:11

a creative mode, I've created

33:13

the intuitive manifesting course, I

33:15

was just lit like as I

33:17

was creating that and now

33:20

it's complete. And then I'm

33:22

like nagging my teen brain, what

33:24

have we got next? What am I going to do next? And

33:27

my business manager's like Bridgette, just take

33:30

this time. This is Rhett's time. This

33:32

is time just to let

33:34

go and start to just like you

33:36

say, be in the darkness, plant the

33:39

seeds. You don't have to be in the doing.

33:41

And I get a lot of resistance to

33:43

that because I feel so creative and productive

33:45

and like I don't want to stop this creative flow.

33:49

I think I am really learning

33:51

it is so important just to be

33:53

in that darkness to clear out without

33:56

knowing what is going to come in

33:58

because I think you need Also,

34:00

you need to have the space in your

34:02

life. You need to be able to take

34:04

stuff out without filling it straight away because

34:07

you need to have the space for

34:09

the magic and the opportunity to come in.

34:12

But also to feel into what is it that's

34:14

really calling you. Once

34:16

you've stripped away all of the old parts

34:18

of yourself, what is it now, but in

34:21

this state, that calls you rather than in

34:23

the state of prior to that trying to

34:25

bring new stuff in, you've got to shed

34:28

and then bring it in. Just

34:32

a couple of days out of a new moon,

34:34

this is the perfect time in

34:36

the lunar cycle to be tapping

34:38

into this. Or for

34:40

those who bleed or menstruate, think about

34:43

when you're bleeding, this is the perfect

34:46

time for that shedding and releasing

34:48

and being in that darkness. This

34:52

gives us opportunities over

34:54

and over again. We inhale and

34:57

then we exhale. We

35:00

have day and then we have night. So

35:03

if we really pay attention to the

35:05

cycles that are happening around us all

35:07

the time, we're

35:09

constantly being offered opportunities

35:11

to release. Yeah.

35:16

Maya, what can we find out more about

35:18

you? My website is my

35:20

name, mayatol.com. Fantastic.

35:27

You have some beautiful stories and you

35:29

share your journey as well through that

35:31

site and you have your newsletter

35:33

as well. So lots

35:36

of good ways to stay in connection. Fantastic.

35:39

All right. Well, thank you. We'll

35:41

see you next time. All right. Bye

35:44

for now. Bye.