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Hello , today I have with me

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Dr Patel Aklelu . Dr

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Aklelu is a doctor of chiropractic

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medicine and the owner of Kali

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chiropractic . She is certified

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in Webster Technique , which is beneficial

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for pregnancy , and she is certified

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to care for babies and children as well . Today

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she is here to talk about how she helps kids

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, starting with newborns and

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up . Dr Aklelu , welcome

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and thank you for joining me .

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Thank you so much for having me , Kali . I'm very

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honored to be here today .

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I am so curious about what you

1:02

have to say . I remember I took

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my daughter to a chiropractor . I

1:06

don't even remember what it was for . I've taken

1:09

her a couple times , I think . But my husband

1:11

was like what are you going to do ? Are they going to hang her upside

1:13

down by her ankles ? So

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I really hope that most people don't

1:18

think that . But I know that's not what it is

1:21

about and it's very gentle and

1:23

I know there's a lot of benefits and

1:25

I probably don't know even the half

1:27

of it . So I am really excited

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to sit back and listen to what you have to say .

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You know it's interesting Most people don't

1:34

find a pediatric

1:36

chiropractor or find out about pediatric

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chiropractic care until they're frustrated

1:41

about something you know . I've

1:44

googled this time and time again and somewhat

1:46

it just keeps coming up and I think

1:48

, maybe because XYZ

1:51

hasn't worked , maybe I'll try

1:53

the chiropractor . So it's kind of for

1:56

many not for all an option of last

1:58

resort . So I love

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that we get to do this today so we can introduce pediatric

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chiropractic care to the world again and

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to know about it . But

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the number one thing that I want everyone

2:10

to walk away with is an understanding that chiropractic

2:13

care is very safe and

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very gentle and the

2:18

earlier you begin getting

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chiropractic care meaning getting

2:23

care for your spine and

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for your joints and for your muscles

2:27

the better .

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My biggest thing is allopathic medicine

2:31

is problem-based , and so that's

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what we're accustomed to , and

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what we really should be doing is getting

2:37

into the habit of

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preventing disease

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, and so my understanding

2:44

of chiropractic medicine is to prevent

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disease and maintain health . Right

2:49

Is that ?

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correct . Yes , so you

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hit it . So allopathic medicine

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is about pathogenesis . It's

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something that's wrong . How

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do we fix it ? As

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opposed to how we look at things

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from a salutogenic model , meaning

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, how do we keep a system

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well , how do we nurture things

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continuing to work , not necessarily

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fix something that's broken . So

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where we look at from

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a chiropractic lens for pediatrics

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is okay . This is a newborn , but this

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newborn just experienced trauma

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. So in the womb we're

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in all sorts of funky positions

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your head may be tilted back

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, may be upside down or however

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right Different positions in the womb , in this

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confined small space . Then

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we're re-experienced birth , and

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that could be through the vaginal canal

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or it's a cesarean birth . However

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we come into the world , there's some

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level of trauma that's associated

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with it . Now , because of that

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, what we're doing as pediatric chiropractors

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are looking at

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the skeletal structure , we're looking

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at the muscles , we're looking at the joints

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and we're looking at tissue tension

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throughout the body and saying , hey

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, has this been a little locked up ? Is this

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a little bit of moving ? Do we need help with

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extending in an area ? So

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a lot of it is just inducing and

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helping create movement

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in areas that maybe this newborn

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baby doesn't know how to do yet . So

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it's really about that

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, and in that process we

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help peel off some of those layers

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of trauma . We peel off some of those

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layers of maybe some tension that may be happening

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, and so we're looking at okay

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, let's just help this baby have the best

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chance in optimizing and

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allowing the nerves and the muscles

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and the nervous system to work

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at its best .

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So not necessarily trying to fix something , but

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just make sure it's doing well , right , and

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I mean to elaborate that , since I see birth happen

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every day . The

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things that we know physiologically occur when

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you're being born , specifically

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if it's a vaginal birth , I'll start with

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that . I mean the baby's head is going

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to get squished . Those bones

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in the skull are not fused

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and so they are created to

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be malleable and one

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can pass over the other . We

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see babies , if they've been sitting in

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while the cervix is dilating

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, if they're sitting in the pelvis for a long

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period of time , you get swelling

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in the skull

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that has to go down

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as those bones go back to

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, or hopefully go back to , where they're

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supposed to . There is

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smushing of all , because

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babies basically are cartilage . When

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they come out they're like little

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bowls of Jell-O that

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slide out . They're just this gelatinous

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creature that comes out that has

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to solidify eventually . There's

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so much that goes on , especially if

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the verse that I see the

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head comes out , the shoulders are next

5:58

. There's like , depending on the

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provider , slight tension that

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they put on the head as they pull and

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maneuver the baby out . Depending

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on the position of the arms , there could be trauma

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there . It is not an easy

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process for the baby and I think people discount

6:13

that a lot . Neither is it with

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a C-section . Imagine a baby that's been

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breech . I see babies

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come out . Their legs are just literally

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straight up near their ears

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and then when they try to put them

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down they're stiff . They

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can't bend their knees correctly . There's

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so many things that I see that

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are that

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probably . I mean , we don't treat them , especially

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we don't treat them at the hospital , unless

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it's something that is surgical or

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that we can give medication

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for . We're not exactly doing any chiropractic

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care or massage for the newborns

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, so how

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do we fix all that ?

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How do we fix all of that ? So in my ideal

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world , people like myself would be

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in hospitals where birth is taking

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place or in birthing centers wherever

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have you Because as soon as

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we can get to these babies and help

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to ease the tension

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in those areas , like you said , we're

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not breaking children . In fact , it's

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very hard to break a baby . It's

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a lot of cartilage and as soft

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and gentle and fragile as we may

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think they are , they're actually very strong and

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they've endured so much . And

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so those times right

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there , that's crucial . It's crucial

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, I know , for me , for my nephew he

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was . I adjusted him within 24

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hours and I

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know the difference that that made Because

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he was able to sleep better and

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to nurse better and to just

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do better , because I

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was quick to

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address some of the things that I was seeing early on

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, and every time something would

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come up with a pediatrician , it was quick

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to all right , let's get some movement

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, let's start some exercises , let's do these things

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. So we weren't trying to necessarily

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fix something always . We're

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just making sure that he's doing well on

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a day-to-day basis . A lot of people

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don't know that and if

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you don't know that because your

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doctors aren't telling you , because

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they most likely don't know .

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That is correct . That is not taught in medical

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school .

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Well , it's this concept , but

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again , it's super gentle

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. It's , for me , as a practitioner

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, fun and joyful

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because , like you

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described , some of these babies have had

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their feet by their ears

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for months or they're

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born the bones right

8:41

, the cranial bones that have slid over one another

8:43

. They haven't necessarily come back

8:45

apart the way that they should . That's

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changed the shape of their head

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and has changed how their

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jaw and their jaw movements

8:54

, their tongue movements , their neck movements

8:56

, and so they're not comfortable , have

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no way to express that other

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than to maybe not latch

9:03

or be fussy or

9:05

have gas or colic , or sometimes

9:08

just not sleep through the night , whatever

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have you . And unfortunately , because

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we're not accustomed to chiropractic

9:15

care so early on , some

9:17

of these things go on for longer than they

9:19

should and it's passed off as oh

9:21

, that's just a newborn . All babies cry

9:23

, some babies latch , some babies are

9:25

just constipated , things like that . We're

9:27

starting to mistake what's

9:30

common for what's normal .

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Yeah , I wish that there were chiropractors at hospitals

9:34

and I wish that all insurance covered chiropractic

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care and it's been depending

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on my insurance . It's like how do I budget

9:41

for my chiropractic care ? I know my chiropractor

9:44

in New York . My chiropractor

9:46

did see babies . I know that he would

9:48

make hospital calls . Yeah , they should

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be in the hospitals .

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Well , to that point , if we had

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this let's not just call it chiropractic

9:56

care , right , let's call it wellness . And

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if we were doing wellness care and

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taking care of our bodies in these

10:04

times when you're pregnant

10:06

or when you're just born and

10:08

have just experienced your first trauma

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, I mean leaps and bounds

10:12

we would fix so many different

10:15

things to the point

10:17

where I couldn't even list them right . Some

10:19

things we only know to be problems because

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we just were never really well to

10:24

begin with . You have a baby that's struggling

10:26

with torticollis , had problems with

10:28

latching , and we just kind of do other

10:30

things rather than truly get to the

10:33

foundation of that Later on . That's

10:35

changing how the baby looks

10:38

and perceives the world , how

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the baby speaks

10:42

, moves . It's our entire

10:44

foundation that's being based off of something

10:47

that we potentially not to say that

10:50

we do this one thing and it's a miracle

10:52

. It could absolutely be that it could

10:54

also just be just giving a child

10:56

the full advantage

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of being

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able to have a restful nervous system

11:03

and grow with a solid foundation

11:06

. You know , I just think of

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how many moms and babies would benefit

11:10

from the type of

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attention and touch

11:15

and is true love

11:17

, absolutely .

11:18

I remember when my daughter was having some issues

11:20

with her with fluid in her ears and I took

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her to the chiropractor and I think it was like

11:24

I mean I definitely should have taken her sooner

11:27

. I just wasn't sure how she was gonna respond

11:29

. The pressure on the I believe

11:31

it's the mastoid process . She

11:33

really hated it and probably because

11:36

it was so irritated

11:38

by then and so inflamed by then cause

11:40

she had constant fluid in her ears

11:42

. I really wish that I'd done that sooner

11:45

.

11:45

That atlas goes off and that's

11:47

really the key , like

11:50

in Webster . There's a key part

11:52

of the Webster technique that I think does

11:54

80 , 90% of it and for children

11:56

they're creating the relief and for children it's

11:58

really in that upper cervical region and

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making sure that we've created

12:03

relief in any tension

12:05

from the cranial bones or in the cervical

12:07

region and then that really that's

12:10

a game changer . That's a game changer

12:12

. But it allows the fluid in your ear

12:15

to flow better , it allows your tongue to

12:17

move better . The drainage from

12:19

your sinus cavities , all

12:22

of that , feeding , swallowing

12:24

gags , all of it .

12:27

Wow , that is hugely important because I know

12:29

so many kids have issues with

12:31

the sinus drainage in the ear Cause

12:34

when they're babies . A lot of people don't know this

12:36

. Their eustachian tubes are horizontal

12:38

and as they grow they

12:40

start to move in a more vertical

12:43

not vertical diagonal way

12:45

, and so it is very , very common for kids

12:47

to have fluid behind their ears , which it's

12:50

uncomfortable , and so it's really important

12:52

to help them with that drainage

12:54

. And so I mean , if

12:56

that's not an argument

12:59

in itself to go to a chiropractor

13:01

to help them with that drainage , because it is gonna

13:04

happen physiologically to every single

13:06

baby . That's just the way that they're made , and

13:08

I don't remember is it age four

13:10

when they start to stretch and

13:13

move more in a diagonal ?

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Well , I , don't know the exact age . It's

13:17

a great question , Lym .

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I think it was for cause that was about the time that they were

13:21

like well , by then you probably wouldn't need

13:23

ear tubes , cause my daughter ended up getting

13:25

ear tubes .

13:26

Many parents seek chiropractic care . That

13:29

happens to be one of the bigger reasons

13:31

to seek out a chiropractor because they

13:33

don't wanna have surgery . So that

13:36

and colic

13:39

yes , colic is a huge

13:41

one because it's from

13:43

the allopathic stance there's

13:45

nothing to be done , there's no reason for

13:47

it , there's nothing we can do for

13:50

it either , and it is

13:52

devastating for a parent

13:54

. Yeah , and seem to

13:56

get their child to

13:58

rest , to be comfortable and

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to stop crying .

14:03

It's heartbreaking . Yeah , cause if

14:05

the baby's not resting , nobody is . Nobody's resting , nobody's

14:08

resting . Yeah , I've been there . That's

14:11

frustrating , just thinking of my own experience

14:13

, my daughter . We moved

14:15

here from New York when

14:17

she was like four and a half months and

14:19

, as you can imagine , it was a drive . She

14:22

was in the car seat for a long time . There were

14:25

definitely . It disrupted her

14:27

sleep and it didn't occur to me that

14:29

maybe the car seat ride

14:31

had something to do with it

14:33

. I just assumed that it was the environment , which probably

14:35

, you know , a new environment does have something

14:38

to do with it . But can you speak a

14:40

little bit about ? I mean , keep

14:42

your kids in car seats for sure , but

14:44

I know that car seats can help

14:47

and hinder alignment , depending

14:49

on a lot of things .

14:50

Yeah , that's it . I love that she brought

14:52

that up , because a lot of people do

14:55

come to me for my baby doesn't

14:57

like the car seat and because

14:59

it's now , I can't

15:01

get from point A to point B . We can't make

15:03

it to appointments without baby crying . You know

15:06

all these different things . Parents are

15:08

trying to figure out what's

15:10

going on with this car seat . So

15:12

what I find a lot of times with my babies

15:14

and who are crying in the car seat , it's

15:17

the position that their back is in and

15:19

they typically

15:21

have a subluxation or dysfunction

15:24

something for us as chiropractors to correct

15:26

in that area where the thoracic

15:28

spine meets the lumbar spine , and

15:31

it's just this very

15:33

uncomfortable seated position that

15:35

babies get in and can't really extend

15:37

and can't really get themselves comfortable and

15:39

it's gonna like adults , you know , pushes on

15:42

your belly , pushes on your diaphragm , you can't

15:44

breathe as well . Babies don't know what's

15:46

going on . So there's

15:48

all of that . So it can lead to lots

15:50

of different things . In some cases , with older

15:53

children I've seen it's

15:55

the motion of the car and

15:58

it making them really nauseous and

16:01

with that I found

16:03

that cervical adjustments have been

16:05

a huge role . Yes

16:07

, yes , so with getting

16:10

car sick and things . That's

16:12

been really very , very helpful . So

16:15

the car seat you know you

16:17

have to be safe , you have to be in a car seat . Sometimes

16:19

I look at the car seat and I want and

16:22

we talk about different ways to maybe pad

16:24

the back of the seat and

16:26

those areas where babies maybe have

16:28

some more tension , and then , but

16:30

oftentimes with adjustments , that's

16:33

also no longer a concern

16:35

and that does . Sometimes

16:37

it's one or two adjustments . And just

16:40

to talk a little bit about the adjustments

16:43

themselves the motion , the movement

16:45

that we're putting into a

16:47

baby . It's very light . So

16:50

oftentimes I have

16:52

parents kind of put their hands over mine

16:54

so they can see the force

16:56

that I'm putting in . Sometimes

16:58

I explain to them like I actually have

17:00

to put in some level of

17:02

a force here or we're not going to get the

17:05

adjustment that we want to

17:07

receive . And then in some cases

17:09

people you know have the perception

17:11

oh , it's going to be too rough , it's going to

17:13

be too much . Actually , most

17:16

of the time if a baby is distracted , they

17:18

are completely unaware that

17:20

anything even happened , you know

17:22

. So there is that too . So

17:24

it's a matter of really helping

17:27

parents to feel empowered Before

17:29

I adjust to have parents hold their baby , kind

17:32

of feel how their baby weighs , right

17:34

. And then I'll adjust the baby and say , okay

17:36

, hold your baby again . And often

17:39

, almost 100% of the time , the baby

17:41

feels lighter and it's like

17:43

anyone else , right , when you're

17:45

holding a bunch of tension , you're just holding

17:48

, you feel heavier and when that

17:50

tension starts to go away you

17:52

feel lighter . And that

17:54

has been , I think , beyond

17:56

anything else I've done in the office from

17:59

a first time adjustment . Parents go

18:01

okay , that's where they see

18:03

it and they go

18:05

okay . So I'm not making it up in my mind that

18:07

my baby likes this , because I have

18:09

stories that say to me Dr A , my

18:12

friends make fun of me all the time because

18:15

you're like you take your kid

18:17

to the chiropractor . Really

18:19

oh boozy , but

18:21

it's true Once you understand

18:24

that it's a need . And

18:26

that's one of the myths of chiropractic right

18:28

, this idea of oh , if

18:30

you go now , if you start going

18:32

, you're going to have to go for the rest of your life ?

18:35

First of all , not true . Second of all , why is that a bad

18:37

thing ? Thank you , I'm

18:40

going to go for the rest of my life .

18:42

So , but we also are bodies

18:44

who need care . Right

18:47

, right , we sit and we jump and

18:49

we eat and

18:52

we experience lots

18:54

of different things . And some people

18:56

go to the chiropractor because

18:58

it helps them with their anxiety . For

19:01

some it helps with their depression

19:03

. For some it helps with their

19:05

constipation . For some it

19:08

helps with their back pain and neck pain and

19:10

shoulder pain . You know we're going

19:12

to the chiropractor for different things . For

19:14

some it's a nervous system thing . Right

19:16

, are we stuck in fight or flight

19:18

? We're so tense all the time . This

19:21

helps me and helps my body relax . It

19:23

helps me sleep or it just helps my

19:25

body because I don't do good

19:27

things with my body . You know

19:29

I lift heavy weights or I work

19:32

on cars or whatever , have you right ? Or

19:35

I'm deliver babies , beigy

19:37

, texting tea , whatever

19:39

have you . So why

19:41

not think about your wellness

19:44

early on ? Why not teach

19:46

our children and our babies to take

19:48

care of themselves ?

19:51

Yeah , absolutely . I usually

19:53

recommend to all moms , when they're

19:55

about to deliver or they're

19:57

pregnant , to go to the chiropractor

19:59

, because I just feel like it is so much more

20:02

helpful . I don't get as much buy-in

20:04

with the taking the babies , but I do mention

20:06

it . But now I have something to back me up

20:08

.

20:09

Yes , and it's interesting

20:11

to me and I don't fault anyone because

20:13

, at the end of the day , you do

20:15

the best you can with the

20:17

information that you have . Being

20:20

a parent is hard enough , you

20:22

know , and I'm not a parent , so

20:24

I'm definitely not going to

20:27

put my opinion on one way

20:29

or another . However

20:31

, I'm just trying to take care of my dogs

20:33

. So there's that . You

20:36

adjust your dogs , I

20:38

do , whether I should or not .

20:41

We should do an episode on canine adjustment

20:43

.

20:45

Yeah , that's the whole thing . But for

20:48

me , knowing what I know , because

20:50

I've studied what I've studied , and because I've seen

20:53

so many births and

20:55

birthing people and their experiences and

20:57

so many babies , I would never have

21:00

a baby not get adjusted if

21:02

that was an option . Right

21:05

, right , yeah , because

21:07

of that . But I do understand for those

21:09

who are listening who have never maybe

21:11

never been adjusted themselves , can't

21:13

even fathom the idea of a child being

21:15

said really do think

21:18

about finding a safe space , finding

21:21

a provider you feel most comfortable

21:23

with , so you could share what some of

21:25

these fears are , and maybe

21:27

just tiptoeing and walking through

21:29

what this looks like , just

21:32

because we don't know it or because we're scared

21:34

, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't

21:36

, we shouldn't have to miss

21:38

out and really babies shouldn't ? I think

21:41

in my perfect world

21:43

, every child should have

21:45

the opportunity to be adjusted

21:47

.

21:48

Yeah yeah , absolutely . And

21:50

I say that agreeing , completely agreeing with

21:52

you , and probably having neglected doing that to

21:54

my own kids . I only took my daughter twice . Even

21:56

one time can change everything

21:59

. Well , that's good to know , but

22:02

you're reminding me that maybe I should . My

22:04

son is , he's four . He has motion sickness

22:06

and I've noticed he doesn't have ear

22:09

pain , but I've noticed his drainage is not

22:11

good . So I'm wondering if

22:13

he does have something going on in his cervical

22:15

spine . And there's two other things that came up

22:18

for me when you were saying all that . First of all , you

22:20

mentioned babies that are difficult to latch . There

22:22

are some soft tissue issues that I've noticed

22:24

are the problem and those are things that , as

22:27

a nurse and working with lactation

22:29

consultants , we can kind of see like a tongue

22:31

tie or a lip tie . But there's other

22:33

things that I think I remember that we don't

22:36

deal with or even acknowledge

22:38

. Is there stuff that goes on with , like the

22:40

palate ? Absolutely , can you talk

22:42

about that , because there's other reasons that we can't

22:45

fix necessarily with allopathic medicine

22:47

. That could be a problem with

22:49

the latch Right .

22:51

So just to speak on tongue

22:53

ties or lip ties . So pediatric

22:55

chiropractors work hand in hand

22:57

with pediatric dentists and ENTs

22:59

, so it's all the same anatomy

23:02

and it's different tools for how

23:04

you get to an endpoint . So

23:07

I've had babies with tongue ties

23:09

that are latching well and

23:11

moving well and

23:13

dentists have said , hey , we don't have

23:15

to make a surgical correction in this case

23:18

, if you're comfortable with where things are . I've

23:20

had cases , many cases too

23:23

, where parents are , hey

23:25

, I'm more comfortable with having

23:27

this release performed

23:29

and I would like the care before

23:31

and after with chiropractic

23:34

to give me a whole well-rounded care

23:36

for what's going on , because

23:39

even after a tongue tie release , there

23:42

is that potential of it reattaching

23:44

. So we need to keep the exercises

23:47

moving so that the tongue continues to move

23:49

, and chiropractic care is so imperative

23:52

during that time because it's helping

23:54

exactly the soft tissue . So

23:58

I do a lot of work when

24:00

it comes to that and I tell parents , some

24:03

pediatric chiropractors will definitely say

24:05

to you or may say to you I can't

24:07

speak for anyone else , may say to you , no

24:09

, don't have this release done . Or

24:11

maybe we'll say , do , have this release

24:14

done For me . It's , you're the parent

24:16

, so we're going to get all of this information

24:19

. I'm going to give it to you , they're

24:21

going to give it to you and together we can make

24:23

a decision . We can help you to come

24:25

to a decision that's best for you

24:27

and for your family and for your child . Right

24:29

the palate is when

24:32

we're doing cranial adjustments and remember

24:34

we talked about the like you mentioned , how

24:36

the bones go over one another so that the

24:38

baby can come out of the vaginal space . Well

24:41

, once we're releasing the tension there

24:43

, that same thing is happening to

24:45

the . It's the , because it's

24:47

all pressure , it's all kind of , it's all connected and

24:50

that's literally the bottom of the

24:53

craning , so we can

24:55

go in there and use our thumbs to help to widen

24:57

out that space . Pressure points there

24:59

are very , very important , in

25:01

addition to just massaging parts

25:03

of the temple and in

25:05

the jaw , underneath the jaw , all those

25:08

different things in the back of the head , back of the neck

25:10

, so lots of different things that we

25:12

can do from a soft tissue standpoint , and

25:14

these

26:59

are things that I can

27:01

show parents . This is what

27:03

I'm doing , it's not some mysterious

27:06

clandestine thing that you're

27:08

doing . I want to empower this parent , so

27:11

when they're at home and they're reading a bedtime story

27:13

and the baby's not in an office

27:15

where they're not comfortable right

27:18

, they can do some of these things and they

27:20

can feel some of this tension and

27:22

really be present with what's going on . I

27:25

think that's really helpful .

27:27

Yeah , you've touched on colic , you've touched

27:30

on latching , you've touched on the bones

27:32

in their head .

27:34

Often we have restrictions

27:36

in the head , in the neck

27:38

, in the jaw , in the face . You have

27:40

restrictions also in the

27:43

pelvic space and that

27:45

can lead to just being

27:47

a uncomfortable one in a car seat right

27:49

or any of these swings that we put babies

27:52

in , and also not being able to

27:54

pass gas easily , being

27:57

more constipated , and they're uncomfortable

27:59

, they don't know how to tell you right here hurts

28:01

, it got squished

28:04

in that process and

28:06

when we hold babies we squish them even more

28:08

and we

28:10

swaddle them and we put them together like a little bundle

28:13

and we're not eliciting enough movement

28:15

. Really , the key to all of this for

28:18

everyone is movement is life . So

28:20

when we move , we

28:22

are living , and

28:24

when we move , our joints are

28:26

flourishing , they're staying

28:29

mobile , they're staying well

28:31

, nourished , right , and when we're not

28:33

moving , our system starts

28:36

to get stuck and

28:39

things can't release and

28:41

we become a little

28:43

bit more stiff in all of those different

28:45

things . And then it makes you

28:47

think , because most parents think

28:49

there's nothing wrong with my kid , my

28:52

kid is perfect , my

28:54

kid is happy , smiling

28:56

, you know , slept well today

28:58

. All of those different things it's

29:00

harder for parents to pick up on , hmm

29:02

, or to maybe acknowledge

29:05

maybe

29:07

, maybe he does look to the right more

29:09

than he does to the left , you

29:11

know , yeah . And

29:14

then he wants maybe there is a deviation

29:16

to his job , maybe I mean like

29:19

, who's perfectly symmetrical , you

29:22

know , nobody , you

29:24

know . So these kind of things . When I

29:26

sit down with the parents and say , okay , let's

29:29

just take a look right , that's

29:32

when they start to open up their eyes , because

29:34

often they've gone to the pediatrician

29:36

time and time again and they're being told

29:39

, oh , everything's okay , this

29:41

is good , this is fine , everything's okay . And

29:43

that's what's really assessing for the things that I'm looking for

29:46

.

29:46

Some other things that come up for me is like hips

29:48

. You know you mentioned swaddle . Oh yeah

29:51

, that's a big thing . I swaddle the top

29:53

, I don't swaddle the bottom . Really Love

29:55

it , okay , yeah , okay

29:57

. Babies need to be able to move those hips

29:59

and if they want their arms , I mean they can get their arms

30:02

out , right .

30:03

But want to , right . And

30:05

I think that the reason behind the swaddle

30:07

like correct me if I'm wrong was really because

30:09

of the startle reflex , because we just

30:11

want babies to be able to sleep without startling

30:14

themselves and waking themselves up , but

30:16

it can't come at the cost

30:18

of your baby's joints , right

30:20

, yeah . So I love that . You

30:23

know everyone's going to do something a little differently

30:25

. But now what I've

30:27

seen as of late is all

30:29

of my breeched babies , no

30:32

matter what , even if they were just breeched

30:34

for just

30:36

a short period of time , they

30:38

get ultrasounds of their hips . Yeah

30:41

, right , yeah , I'm noticing that

30:43

a lot . I'm noticing that and it's interesting because

30:46

they were born completely fine vaginal

30:49

birth , head down and everything . But

30:51

it's interesting to me that that's happening

30:54

and I wonder why . Why

30:56

are we doing that Rather than just doing

30:58

an exam on the hip ? I

31:02

do a hip exam and everything

31:04

is fine . I don't think that the ultrasound is

31:06

necessary . Now , most

31:09

of my parents get the ultrasound anyway , and

31:11

that's true , right . But

31:14

I think that there is somewhere

31:16

deep down in here a push for

31:19

okay , we know some things , we

31:21

just don't know what to do or

31:23

where to . You know where to send these

31:25

. He's just to make sure everything's okay

31:27

. But now , more and more , I have

31:29

my parents just kind of say hey , you know , I

31:33

take my baby to the pediatric chiropractor

31:35

. She's checked the hips . But sure

31:37

, if you think that ultrasounds

31:39

, let's do that .

31:41

Well , I mean there would be maybe a little

31:44

bit of retrospective studies

31:46

for those that . I mean maybe they should

31:48

know who has been going to the chiropractor

31:50

and who is you know . We

31:53

could be able to go back and like , do some

31:55

research on oh , babies that go to the chiropractor

31:57

don't need interventions . That's

32:00

just my hypothesis . I'm loving

32:02

it ?

32:04

Yeah , you know I would love to

32:06

. I ask all the time

32:08

. When I have a pediatrician who

32:10

doesn't think so favorably

32:13

of pediatric chiropractic care or seeing

32:15

a pediatric chiropractor , and the parents

32:17

are coming to me anyways , I

32:20

ask them to just gently ask Maybe

32:23

not I'm going to need to badger with questions

32:25

but say , like , where does this thought come

32:27

from ? Is it a personal

32:29

perspective or are

32:31

there studies ? Is there something that's saying

32:33

to you ? There is a reason not to

32:35

. And in all of my years so

32:38

far , I was

32:40

very recently introduced to this idea

32:42

that maybe from the allopathic

32:44

sands , babies or children

32:46

shouldn't see a chiropractor until

32:49

12 , until

32:51

they're 12 . Now that's

32:53

too late . You know , and

32:55

I believe that the ideas that their

32:58

growth plates are formed

33:00

and you know

33:02

, I won't even go further

33:04

into that . I'll say that before

33:07

babies or children are 12

33:09

years old , exposing them

33:11

to lots of different things

33:13

sports , gymnastics , ballet

33:16

, all the things that make the joints

33:18

go crazy . Exactly , and

33:20

we can do all of those things . Where is the logic

33:22

that getting some

33:25

care for your body should wait ?

33:27

You would send someone to a physical therapist if they

33:29

damaged the soft tissue .

33:31

Correct , and physical

33:33

therapy is where pediatricians

33:35

would recommend and send their children

33:37

, which is awesome because physical therapists

33:40

are needed and they're going to

33:42

be . I think that some of this is really

33:44

more political and historical

33:46

than it should be , but

33:49

here we are .

33:50

Yeah Well , and the thing

33:52

is , my argument is always like yes , you can

33:54

go see a physical therapist also Absolutely

33:57

. But let's consider

33:59

the fact that if you're going to be

34:01

exercising your body on

34:04

something that is misaligned , where

34:07

is the physics in that ? I've never understood

34:10

why chiropractors are so maligned

34:12

. That has just always baffled me

34:14

. And just to say , I

34:16

mean , I know so . My dad's a surgeon

34:18

and he was like don't let them adjust your neck . Well

34:20

, that's not fully true either . Now , if you're uncomfortable

34:23

with something that happens and just this is a

34:25

little bit of a tangent , because we're supposed to be talking about

34:27

adjusting the neck in kids is completely

34:30

different than adjusting the neck in adults . But there

34:32

are a lot of options that don't

34:34

involve twisting

34:36

your head , and I'm not going to comment on

34:38

whether or not getting your head twisted is

34:40

bad or good , because I've

34:43

had it done . But if you're uncomfortable with that , there's

34:45

other options . So , just to dispel

34:47

the whole body

34:49

popper , head twister

34:52

hanging by the feet

34:54

that's not what chiropractors do

34:57

95% of the time . Correct

34:59

, then at all .

35:00

Especially not with babies ?

35:02

Oh , of course not with babies . And additionally

35:04

, I mean , I think , I think , if I remember

35:07

right , you have videos on Instagram

35:09

. At least Do you also have YouTube ?

35:11

I don't . I'm going to be making YouTube

35:13

videos soon with my nephew will be making YouTube videos

35:16

, so that will be awesome

35:18

.

35:18

Yeah , so if anyone's curious

35:20

about what it is that

35:23

chiropractors do with babies and

35:25

children , your Instagram now remind

35:27

me of your Instagram handle , because I forgot

35:29

to write it down .

35:31

It's kallai underscore chiro wellness

35:34

.

35:34

So you can go to her Instagram . I'm going to put

35:36

it in the show notes . I'm also going to have your website

35:39

in the show notes . So if you're curious

35:41

but not quite sure if

35:43

you should go see a pediatric chiropractor

35:45

and now I know I mean you're

35:47

based in Virginia . Not everybody in the world

35:50

is going to be coming to Northern Virginia

35:52

to find you , but

35:54

you can also look for chiropractors

35:57

that are pediatric chiropractors

35:59

if you would like your child

36:01

to be evaluated . So it's not

36:04

, you know they're , they're all over

36:06

, all over and you can

36:08

learn before you go . You

36:10

can share with your pediatrician

36:12

some of the videos so that they can understand

36:15

what's going on and the logic . And

36:18

if we all just start having an open

36:20

conversation about the benefits and

36:22

trying to understand , instead of having this

36:24

closed perspective where , oh

36:26

no , that's bad , that's not the norm , maybe

36:29

we can prevent some things before they happen

36:32

. Yes , well

36:34

, dr Akleelu , is there anything we didn't touch

36:36

on that you wanted to talk about ?

36:38

No , I think that that was

36:40

beautiful .

36:41

Yeah , I know you could probably

36:43

talk all day about it , and I'm pretty sure

36:45

I could too , but you've definitely opened

36:48

my eyes to some other things that I didn't know about

36:50

and motivated me to . Maybe

36:52

, since we're getting to the end of the year

36:54

and we've already hit our out of

36:56

pocket Max , maybe

36:59

it's time to get my kids to the chiropractor again

37:01

. There you go , and

37:04

insurance companies cover chiropractic care

37:06

. Do a better job . Do a better job .

37:08

Do a better job . Covering wellness

37:10

yes , because keep people

37:12

well .

37:13

Maybe they won't get sick . Yes , yes

37:15

, yes , all of that All

37:19

right . Well , dr Akleelu , I really

37:21

enjoyed this episode . I am really excited

37:23

for my listeners to hear about pediatric

37:25

chiropractic medicine and incorporate

37:27

that into their care of

37:29

their newborns and their children . Thank you

37:32

, thank you so much .