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Why this AI has Drake all up

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in his.

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Feelings and the music industry

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finally discovers cap cut.

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You're listening to the tape

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what would the biz tape? You're all things music, business

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and media podcasts. I'm your host Colin McKay,

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with my lovely host Coast to Coast Joseph

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Wazewski joining me.

0:32

Hello from a tax day.

0:34

Oh yes, we should talk

0:37

about that. Yes, it is your your

0:39

in every freelancers nightmare, which

0:41

is hey baby, I r S.

0:44

That's what I call him, baby, Hey baby.

0:45

I r S birthday today. We

0:48

have to give the irs birthday

0:50

money gifts.

0:51

Yeah, oh man, yeah, I

0:54

thankfully. I am

0:56

mostly a W two employee and I have some freelance,

0:59

but nothing too easy. But so

1:01

enviously I know I

1:03

wish I have.

1:04

I'm next to a stack of

1:07

thrown torn papers to my

1:09

right of I r S

1:11

Forbes and bank statements and bullshit.

1:16

Let me tell you, I I

1:18

love how every job's turning into freelance now because

1:20

it just makes our lives so much harder.

1:23

We love it so much, well,

1:25

especially the music industry, where everybody

1:29

wants a W nine and

1:31

then they send you a ten ninety nine and it sucks

1:33

because you gotta keep track of that ten ninety nine.

1:36

Mm hmm god.

1:39

I okay. So here's the thing I

1:41

think personally, and

1:44

I've talked to a lot of young specially

1:47

young free wan and even old ones, and

1:49

the music industry does this all the time with

1:52

like freelance and ten ninety nine and you

1:54

know W nine's and stuff. Is

1:56

like, especially with ten ninety

1:58

nine or anything, just like free under the table,

2:01

they'll say like it's a pro because basically

2:03

they're like, you could just lie to the

2:05

government. And I'm like, this is a bad way

2:07

to go, bro, because there's so many It's

2:10

so funny because I know all these like freelance

2:12

sound guys and like right around this time,

2:15

they'll be like, you know, just

2:17

chilling or whatever, and they'll be like, fuck

2:19

taxes. They'll be like

2:22

it's unethical, and I'm like, you got

2:24

to pay your taxes, bro, Like you know what I mean,

2:26

Like I'm sorry, Like there's no

2:28

way around it. I'll be like, just because

2:30

you've been skirting the money under the table

2:33

the whole time doesn't

2:35

mean that you don't have to pay taxes.

2:38

And like that's the main thing that I my

2:40

main advice is that all these people are always

2:42

like, well, you know, I made six

2:44

hundred dollars this

2:47

week on like all this freelance stuff.

2:49

So I made six hundred dollars and I'm like, no, you didn't.

2:53

You made six hundred minus

2:55

the tax, which is heavily gonna

2:57

change depending on what state you are. And Joe,

3:00

I'm sure where you are there's not heavy taxes

3:02

at all.

3:03

Oh no, not at all, not at all. Call

3:06

let me tell you. I almost

3:08

had a heart attack because

3:10

shout out free tax you say, if they are not a

3:12

sponsor of this podcast, but a sponsor in

3:14

my heart. And I

3:16

was using them and I was doing

3:19

my California taxes on there, and

3:21

it's the first time I've done it, never

3:23

done it before. I've never had to pay state tax

3:26

in my life. This is the first time.

3:27

That's true. You are in Native Tennessee

3:30

and so you really have never had to pay that.

3:32

Yeah, I've never had to pay it. I've only had

3:34

to pay it with every single purchase that you

3:36

make in Tennessee. And

3:38

and yeah, it's just baked

3:40

into daily life all the

3:43

time. But with

3:45

the change up, it was like, you

3:48

know, I was getting money back on my federal

3:50

tax return. Yeah, and I was like, oh nice,

3:52

I'm getting some money back. This is great. And

3:55

then I go to my California tax return and I just

3:57

see all that money go away.

4:00

Right, and I go, oh no.

4:02

And then and then it was like at

4:04

one point I had like fifteen hundred dollars

4:07

ohed.

4:08

It's like you're in the casino, right, It's

4:10

like you're gambling half the time. You're like, I'm

4:12

up, baby, I don't know, no way this could

4:15

go worse. And then like all of a sudden, it's like

4:17

down, so down, every

4:19

terrible.

4:20

Something call it. I click something. I

4:22

don't know what it clicked, and

4:24

I'm talking.

4:24

To oh god, did you hit like the wrong thing?

4:27

And then it like no, no.

4:28

I did, I did it right. I think it was

4:30

just like if you didn't

4:32

have this thing, like you would owe this much,

4:35

but I did, and so it went

4:37

down dramatically.

4:39

That is so true with tax preparation

4:41

software. It's never like it's

4:43

never like here's twenty dollars,

4:45

here's thirty dollars up, here's twenty

4:47

dollars. Mine. It's always like here's minus

4:50

seven hundred dollars. And

4:52

then it's like, here's plus

4:54

seventeen hundred dollars and you're like what,

4:57

oh man, And uh, I know. I

5:00

got a bunch of tax accountants

5:02

and business accountants who listen to

5:04

this show, and they're probably like, these people

5:06

don't even know the half of it, which shout out

5:08

to those people because they've had a rough time for the last

5:10

three months and probably still are. They're

5:12

not listening to the show. They're too busy. Anyway,

5:16

let's just get into it. Joe, speaking of technology,

5:19

we both have very technology heavy things

5:21

as usual, but these seem to be finally

5:23

really coming to a head with music industry stuff.

5:25

I don't know. I you know, it's funny because

5:28

I went more towards the audio side

5:30

with being an audio engineer, it seems like you went more

5:32

towards visual being you know, the photographer

5:35

videographer that you are.

5:36

Uh. Yeah, it's a very sicky

5:38

episode.

5:39

I mean yeah. So like, I guess we can just

5:41

get right into it. I can start

5:44

if you want, but basically

5:46

go for it. So

5:49

this has been making the rounds recently

5:51

and I was like, we got to talk about this, and at first

5:54

I thought it was kind of non news

5:56

because if you guys have been listening to the show. You're

5:58

pretty caught up in a lot of a things

6:00

that we've talked about before. But

6:02

there's kind of a new development

6:05

going on here in a weird youth case that's kind

6:07

of got enough publicity and popularity

6:10

that it is worth talking about. So AI,

6:13

right, we've talked about a

6:15

thousand times on the show. There's so many problems

6:18

that's bringing right now, and there's

6:20

not a lot of clear answers, and there's

6:22

not a lot of legislation

6:24

trying to make clear

6:27

concise rules when it comes to copyright

6:29

and trademark and all this kind of stuff. So

6:32

it's kind of the wild West right now. And

6:35

speaking of wild West, a

6:37

new cowboy is coming into play, which is Drake.

6:40

Drake is mad as he always is. It

6:42

seems like he Drake.

6:44

Being a cowboy. Yeah,

6:47

it's a very funny image.

6:48

Champagne Poppy has entered the saloon

6:51

and so Drake, yeah, like

6:53

he's mad about AI specifically.

6:55

And you may have seen this on Twitter or I'm not on

6:57

Twitter. You didn't see anything on Twitter

7:00

on Instagram because he

7:02

kind of went off for a second. He basically

7:04

started screaming and yelling about AI,

7:07

which seemed like a pretty regular

7:09

case, but he has a

7:12

very unique situation that has arisen from someone

7:14

who's using an AI version of his voice. But let

7:16

me get into that a little bit later. So

7:19

his anger on Instagram was basically

7:21

like a photo of like him and Ice Spice,

7:24

and he like had this caption

7:26

saying like this is the final

7:29

straw Ai, Like he's an anime

7:31

villain, this is the final straw Ai

7:34

and but like, yeah, he was just seems

7:36

very mad, and the caption of him and Ice

7:38

Spice was like, you know about

7:41

this version of Ice Spice's song which

7:43

is called Munch, which is very explicit

7:46

and so you know, a very

7:49

female heavy song. So like Drake is obviously

7:51

upset that he's so macho about

7:53

it, you know what I mean and everything. But the

7:56

other thing is that that caption

7:59

had a very important thing, which it says, quote Universal

8:01

Music asks streaming services to

8:04

block AI companies from accessing

8:06

their songs, which this was

8:08

like prime, Like

8:10

the thing he shared was like

8:12

prime TMZ, you

8:15

know, like you're checking out of the grocery

8:17

store kind of graphic, if that makes sense.

8:20

But that statement, unlike

8:22

a lot of those grocery store tabloids

8:25

had some truth. Universal Music

8:27

Group, as of late,

8:29

has actually been telling streaming partners, including

8:31

Spotify and Apple, to block

8:34

artificial intelligence services from

8:37

scrapping melodies and lyrics

8:39

from their copyrighted songs, according

8:41

to emails viewed by The Financial Times.

8:44

So this seems to be coming more to a head

8:46

as labels are asking do

8:49

not put a lot of these AI

8:51

songs that are violating

8:53

our copyrights on there, which had been

8:55

in the case most of the time. Right. So we've

8:58

seen, like here's an example, like a one that was

9:00

big from Universal was there

9:02

was a Rihanna version of kuff Itt by

9:04

Beyonce that was making

9:07

the rounds. That was a big one. There was Drake doing

9:09

the Munch song that he was also doing, Oh

9:12

god, what was that other song? What's

9:14

the other ice By song with the

9:17

you know I'm boys a liar? Like there was that

9:19

one too. Yeah, So, like a lot of these

9:22

is kind of pretty stuff

9:25

we're used to, right where, especially if

9:27

you grew up in this kind of YouTube generation that

9:29

Joe and I did, where a lot of these

9:32

covers were not making

9:34

it to streaming platforms,

9:37

like they were not making it to Spotify and all

9:39

this kind of stuff, which is hilarious because

9:42

it seems to be the battle of every DJ on

9:44

TikTok is all these people going

9:46

put this on Spotify and the DJ goes,

9:48

y'all don't know how copyright works, right, because

9:51

you can't put up these songs if

9:53

Universal Music owns the

9:55

copyright at the end of the day. And

9:58

so a lot of the time it would an AI

10:00

voice like in a very mean, funny

10:03

way, being like, Hey, here's Drake

10:05

doing this ice By song that he would never do.

10:07

You know, it's funny. Da da da dah. That's

10:10

kind of what's going on with that. But it gets

10:12

one level deeper this week, folks.

10:15

So here's what's going on. There's

10:18

a growing problem starting to come up,

10:20

which is that the AI is

10:22

slowly getting better, but

10:24

also the AI

10:27

is starting to kind of go out on a limb.

10:29

A lot of the time. I'm talking like AI like it's terminator,

10:32

like it has its own mind. People

10:34

who are using AI right

10:37

and to generate this kind of stuff are basically

10:39

trying to make original compositions,

10:42

and it seems that that has become more

10:44

of a commonplace in the music industry. Specifically

10:47

with Drake. Actually, and this is

10:49

the bigger issue that I'm kind of was implying

10:52

earlier. Basically, there's

10:55

this guy and this artist. I assume

10:58

you know that this is some person

11:01

that has some experience with AI

11:03

and stuff. The point is that the person's and

11:05

the artist's name is called ghost Writer, which

11:08

you're gonna get into not like not like Nicholas

11:10

Cage but like writing, you

11:12

know, like under a pseudonym. By the way,

11:14

I have to say that ghosts writer. Anyway,

11:18

The point is is that Ghostwriter put up

11:20

a song and like has this like weird

11:24

like Joe. I don't know, maybe

11:26

you've seen this too. It was very big on TikTok.

11:28

It's this like person in this like

11:31

white sheet and like black

11:33

glasses with like notably

11:35

no sides, which I literally was like, man, this

11:37

guy got a custom glasses for

11:39

this look. He's got like an anonymous look

11:41

to him, right, And so this

11:44

person is

11:46

like, hey, I have created

11:48

an original AI composition that

11:51

is Ai Drake in the weekend, and

11:54

they made this song up and in a very

11:56

Drake fashion, all in lowercase.

11:59

The song is called on My Sleeve, all

12:01

right, And the song sounds

12:03

remarkably like Drake in the Weekend and again

12:06

this isn't a cover, right, so

12:09

this is kind of directly that

12:11

ghostwriter here is being very

12:13

antagonistic and being like literally

12:16

saying like this is only the beginning. Again

12:18

very anime esk, this is only

12:21

the beginning, and being like, you know,

12:23

I can create all these songs. So he starts creating

12:25

these like promo videos and I

12:27

think now he has like ten or eleven

12:30

million views on these TikTok promo

12:33

videos, being like, look at this Drake

12:35

in Weekend song we made, Yeah, getting

12:37

huge like coverage, and

12:41

it's a pretty good

12:43

rendition, I will say, of a Drake and Weekend

12:46

song. But as someone I don't know who listens

12:48

to a lot of vocals, it's very clearly,

12:51

in my opinion, fake like

12:53

in terms of like there's there's

12:56

actually it is so realistic to some

12:58

people that getting confused

13:01

and saying is this a marketing campaign

13:04

from Drake in the Weekend to

13:06

be like, oh, everyone's interested in

13:08

Ai right now, let's lie about the song

13:10

we made and say it's Ai. No no, no, no,

13:13

Like this song is AI. I'm telling

13:15

you that right now. But that's how convincing.

13:18

That's how convincing the song is to people.

13:20

Yeah, again, the song is called Heart on My

13:22

Sleeve. It should still be on

13:24

YouTube. Basically,

13:28

it's very noticeable

13:30

for being like it's under

13:33

the title Ghostwriter as the artist,

13:35

right, But there

13:37

is a lot of in the marketing material, Like

13:39

I said, he literally says like I made Ai Drake

13:41

in the Weekend. This is just the beginning. I'm the super

13:44

villain basically, and

13:46

then you know, I give

13:49

me a million dollars the next twenty four hour No like,

13:51

but like, seriously, that's kind of the vibe. If you look

13:53

up what ghostwriter looks like, you'd be like, this guy looks

13:55

like super villain. But the

13:57

point is is that it's

14:00

confusing people, and people

14:02

think it's a Drake song even though

14:05

it's not written or

14:07

titled like Drake. Even though it

14:09

is notable, the YouTube video does say like Drake

14:12

in the Weekend underneath, so it

14:14

is confusing in text as well as

14:16

to the ear. I think

14:19

personally it still sounds very Ai

14:21

esque based on the production, but it

14:23

is like if you don't have a trained ear or people

14:26

know the ins and outs of Drake in the Weekend, you

14:28

could fall for it. And here's the

14:31

part that it's getting like the industry people

14:33

like really in a tizzy.

14:37

It got to streaming services.

14:40

It didn't stop. Yeah, Like

14:42

like I was saying before, like all those like funny

14:44

covers of like songs people would

14:46

never do, and all that kind of stuff that AI's

14:48

kind of been really used for recently,

14:51

or like AI artists or

14:54

virtual artists. This song,

14:57

which is really impersonating Drake

15:00

in the Weekend, made it to streaming

15:02

services. And so the

15:05

labels are pissed

15:08

because they're like, you're confusing

15:10

our consumer. You know you're

15:13

and I think there might even be some talks of

15:15

like a trademark argument here. You are

15:18

confusing you know, this fan

15:20

base, and this money

15:22

is not going to us or

15:24

Drake. It's going to ghostwriter

15:27

or whatever deal he has, you know, if

15:29

he has some other deal in the background. Right. So

15:33

that's the main thing is that most

15:35

of the industry is really appalled that this isn't flagged

15:38

as being you know, hey,

15:42

take this down now literally

15:45

and I'm not even joking literally as I'm recording

15:47

this right now. It

15:51

just got taken down today. Like

15:54

I subbed ten minutes ago, I

15:56

literally just was brought because I do this during

15:58

the show, especially with break news

16:00

and stuff that I feel like might happen. Literally,

16:03

I just see a article from Rolling

16:05

Stone that it's just popped up at my feed saying this

16:08

viral song has been taken down,

16:11

and it seems that ghostwriter has

16:13

continued to make his super

16:16

villain manifesto, retweeting

16:20

a comment that said a modern napster moment.

16:24

And then then also as

16:26

he's scrolling through the thread, because it's like a screen

16:28

recording of his phone in this kind of video,

16:31

it says, this is

16:33

so funny. A text comes up

16:35

that says Rob Attorney,

16:37

and that says offer in from Republic,

16:41

which is where The Weekend and Drake

16:43

and Metro, who are also reference

16:46

to the song are all signed to.

16:49

It's okay, It's like,

16:51

let's be honest, it's a genius.

16:53

This is genius. Like it's

16:55

a little bit it's a little bit annoying, but

16:57

it's also like kind of so funny

16:59

that I enjoyed it amazing.

17:01

I love I love it.

17:04

I love he said quote according to

17:06

again, I'm reading this right now, he said. Quote.

17:09

I was a ghostwriter for years and got

17:11

paid close to nothing, just for major

17:13

labels to profit. He goes the future

17:16

is here and then like you know,

17:18

he unveiled Kryptonite and so he could kill Superman.

17:21

But like like, yeah,

17:23

this this is a huge deal because we

17:26

have not And again I said on

17:28

TikTok this these promo

17:30

videos he put up, which I haven't seen if this has

17:32

been taken off of TikTok yet, but the promo

17:34

videos on TikTok have close to eleven million

17:37

views and like a couple million likes,

17:39

like three or four million likes between the promo

17:41

videos, so very viral. And

17:44

then also on top of that,

17:46

the Spotify when it was still

17:48

up had around two hundred and fifty

17:51

thousand plays, and the

17:53

YouTube video at the time

17:55

that Music Business Worldwide wrote about it, which

17:57

was about a day ago, had one hundred and fifty thousand.

18:01

So yeah, if

18:04

you're an executive at Universal

18:06

or something like that, you may

18:08

see this as an adversarial move

18:11

because what is the value

18:14

to a record company of having an artist signed

18:16

and putting all this money in exclusivity?

18:20

But AI is you know,

18:23

potentially opening up having

18:26

a loss in exclusivity, because

18:29

if you can generate something that's so synonymous

18:32

with a human voice that you have a contract

18:34

with, your contract is not as valuable.

18:38

Again, like I literally wrote in here

18:40

before I literally saw this article, it

18:42

is suggested Universal will

18:45

probably go after and try

18:47

to take the song down, which they just did literally

18:49

as we're recording the show and

18:52

quote I was gonna end

18:54

up story with this, but it really rings true

18:56

now. Audio Max Head of Revenue,

18:58

Dave Edwards suggested on April

19:00

sixteenth on Twitter, UMG has

19:02

the toughest copyright team around. You couldn't

19:05

pick two artists who are going to provoke a stronger

19:07

response than Drake in the weekend. Suspect

19:09

they'll drop the Hammer or whatever distributor

19:11

put this on Spotify, So

19:15

yeah, I again, I think they're

19:18

probably going after the distributor

19:20

for violating copyright, and I'm sure

19:22

they're going to contact ghostwriter, but they're definitely

19:25

going up to the distributor. But

19:28

man, I don't know, Joe, you

19:30

just listened to the song again. May maybe

19:33

if you guys are listening here at home, if

19:35

you want to pause it again. The song is called

19:38

Heart on My Sleeve and it's

19:40

by Ghostwriters, So if you want to listen to that before

19:42

I answer this question to Joe Joe,

19:45

do you think they should have took this song down? Like,

19:47

do you think it's close

19:50

enough to take it down?

19:51

Yeah? Yeah, I think for sure

19:53

it's close enough. I mean it's it's

19:56

a song that's very much like you

19:59

if you told me, if

20:01

you played this on the radio, you told me it was Drake

20:03

song, I would one hundred percent believe

20:05

you. And yeah, it is like to

20:09

the level of like being that it's Ai.

20:11

It's it's you have to really

20:13

listen to it to like really hear

20:15

it, like all of

20:18

the the artifa acting and

20:20

like the.

20:20

Yeah, that's the thing, and

20:23

that's what I'm going to say.

20:25

But but I feel like most casual

20:27

listeners don't hear that and

20:30

won't hear that, so it's they're

20:32

gonna think it's a Drake song.

20:34

I thought, yeah, and even I

20:36

like when I first listened to it, I I

20:38

was listening to it, going, Wow,

20:41

this is kind of like a really crappy quality

20:44

song for Drake to release, But I still

20:46

believe that, you know what I mean, Like I literally

20:48

was like.

20:50

It's like meme quality, like

20:52

right, And I think I think purposeful

20:56

like as well, because let's

20:59

be real, A lot of like very well

21:01

crafted songs don't blow up on

21:03

TikTok, right, it's the bangers. It's

21:05

like the crazy weird

21:08

shit that like really really

21:11

blows up. And I think, I think, yeah,

21:13

like this guy, I

21:15

mean maybe the strategy is like, oh yeah,

21:18

well guys, I can't do AI music anymore,

21:20

but here's my own music, you know later on,

21:23

Like coming out with his own stuff is

21:26

probably the strategy. Or

21:29

he's just gonna be a villain, a super villain releasing

21:32

AI music of everybody

21:35

AI song at

21:37

some point. But I

21:40

introduce legal I

21:43

feel like legality wise,

21:45

it's a bit of a

21:48

stretch or it's a it's

21:50

a stretch in the way of like I

21:52

don't think he's actually gonna receive any

21:54

reak percussion from it. And

21:57

I don't really think the distro is

22:00

either some

22:03

sort of what they unless there's

22:05

some sort of like legislation or like

22:07

some sort of like thing

22:09

past of like when you are, or

22:12

not even legislation, just like Spotify's deals

22:14

with some of these distributors of like they

22:16

have to follow these rules in order

22:19

to get these songs put on. But to be

22:21

honest, this to get a song on Spotify,

22:23

it's like very easy, it's very lax, and

22:26

so there there's a lot of different ways to get

22:28

pirated music on Spotify,

22:31

and it's been proven in the past

22:34

to be an issue, and it's proving now to be an

22:36

issue.

22:38

You know, a lot of that is AI

22:40

driven, right, because there's so

22:43

so so.

22:44

Yeah, you can't put the blame

22:46

on the distributor for like throwing

22:49

this up there, mostly because if it's like if it's

22:51

like a distributor, like I

22:54

don't know what's what's one that's like everybody

22:56

uses gone

22:59

like distro kid or something where it's like you're not even

23:01

dealing with a human at that point, you're like just

23:04

throwing it up there. It's not their

23:08

fault that that's

23:10

happening, you know what I mean.

23:12

Yeah, I mean I think there's a level of

23:15

separation and understanding from

23:17

especially Universal in their background

23:20

to go we know that you don't

23:22

look over every song individually

23:25

and say, hey is this viole. You

23:27

know, you have a computer, you

23:30

know, reference different music, all

23:32

this kind of stuff and hopefully it makes

23:34

the right decision, which usually it does

23:36

because at the end of the day,

23:39

a lot of this other material that hasn't

23:41

really made it to full

23:44

blown DSPs such as Spotify

23:46

and Apple Is. Most

23:48

of the time, like I said, a lot of it was covers,

23:50

like a lot of it was immediate covers

23:53

or like weird versions of songs by

23:55

AI artists, or they

23:57

were AI artists that were

24:00

just separate in their own entity.

24:02

Right, this is a weird case where we're seeing

24:05

the combining.

24:08

And the thing that really gets me is

24:10

the blatant

24:13

advertising that it is meant

24:15

to copy this, right, yeah,

24:19

And that's where I get this

24:21

is where it gets very legally gray, I think.

24:24

And why there's the you know, some of this

24:26

stuff could be landmark, especially if

24:30

Ghostwriter and his reign of terror Ghostwriter

24:33

and is you know, meeting with

24:35

the super Friends decides I will continue

24:37

on terrorizing the city of Gotham.

24:40

And like I think, the thing

24:42

that I'm worried and wondered about

24:45

is could we see some landmark legislation

24:47

from this if maybe he

24:50

or some others don't want to back down at

24:53

the end of the day, I feel like it

24:55

is a lot of people being

24:58

motivated by the technology and the ability

25:00

to have you know, because

25:02

it's still landmark, right, the idea to copy

25:05

a song so closely that's generated

25:07

by AI. I mean, as you said yourself, it sounds

25:10

like them, right, and that would have been unheard of

25:12

ten to fifteen years ago, right, And

25:14

so it's it's very novel. But

25:17

at the same time, the resentment

25:19

towards the major labels,

25:21

especially Universal, which is the biggest label of

25:23

you know, over one third of the music basically

25:26

of the world on Universal shoulders.

25:28

There's so much resentment to have

25:31

another Napster moment, as they said,

25:33

you know, against them, that

25:36

it feels like there is a

25:39

motivation to almost in the

25:41

same way as like an anonymous go after

25:43

them and really just hit

25:46

the system. Now. I think it'll be interesting

25:48

to see legally where this

25:51

goes, because I think if this continues

25:53

on, especially if

25:55

it causes I think the most important

25:57

thing is consumer confusion

26:01

when it comes to is this really like a Drake

26:03

song? I'm confused has Drake fallen off?

26:05

Because I thought this was a Drake song, you know what I mean?

26:08

Because honestly, I listened to the song and I was

26:10

like, this is a bad Drake song at first,

26:12

and it's not that it's

26:14

you know, bad, I feel

26:17

like taste wise I think the quality is bad

26:19

too, like the Artifacting is bad and stuff,

26:21

But it was believable enough that I thought it was

26:23

a Drake song for a while, right, And

26:25

so I wonder

26:28

how hard and how fast labels are

26:31

going to have to respond to this, and what the

26:33

almost copycat nature of this maybe

26:35

other ghostwriters out there, how fast they're going

26:37

to jump on this, because it's

26:40

definitely going to lead to some legislation because at

26:42

the end of the day, that's going to hurt their monetary

26:44

value. If Drake has all these copyright

26:47

songs out there, and people

26:49

you know, just have hazardly in their day that are

26:51

casual Drake fans here a song and they go, oh

26:53

man, he really fell off, you

26:56

know, like I don't think we should listen to his

26:58

next album, you know what I mean, Like.

27:00

Man, the song bumps. In my opinion,

27:02

I don't.

27:04

It's something about I think maybe it's the quality.

27:06

For me. You'd have to listen to it yourself. You

27:08

can hear the artifacting, the voice, you

27:11

can hear like.

27:11

A trashy hip hop

27:14

song where it's just like it's just all

27:16

bass, like booming, just

27:19

crazy like crazy shit, and.

27:20

The quantizing on the piano is kind of crazy

27:23

in that song. I don't know, I'm not a big.

27:25

Fan, but think I

27:27

think your critical listening might be.

27:29

Yeah, I know, and so like, I

27:32

know I'm annoying, and so the

27:35

point is is that I think it's gonna

27:37

be interesting to see if this leads

27:39

to some legal groundwork

27:42

for AI when it comes to songs, because it

27:44

seemed like AI for a while was

27:46

very much staying in its own lane. Was

27:48

very much like, you know, even though we're

27:51

imitating artists, it's kind

27:53

of like the joke of it, right, is

27:55

like, hey, you know, here's a different

27:57

version, or we're gonna make our own AI person

28:00

that maybe uses a bunch of people's songs,

28:03

right and uses it to generate new

28:07

material in AI. But it's not explicit. We're not

28:09

explicitly saying that this AI is this

28:11

person. But this is different, right,

28:13

This is saying it is this person. And that's

28:15

what I think is kind of the smoking gun for them to

28:18

have an argument. I think if ghostwriter

28:20

here just released it and didn't mention

28:22

it was Drake, one, I don't think the song would have been

28:25

as big, But two, I don't

28:27

think this would have as much problems. I think this

28:29

would probably be Hunky Dory staying at

28:31

there and they go, oh, it's a Drake imitation AI.

28:33

Okay, Like people who know

28:35

Drake would be like, it's imitating Drake, you

28:37

know what I mean.

28:38

Yeah, But.

28:40

That's what I think is really interesting about

28:42

this is I think these are the kind of conversations

28:44

that are going to lead to an opening

28:47

groundwork and like of legal

28:50

arguments of what is too

28:52

far for AI to copy, if

28:54

that makes sense. And so it's

28:57

very strange. I mean, the figure

28:59

of it is very stretch to I literally go, look

29:01

a ghost writer the TikTok. He's literally

29:03

like wearing like a white sheet and

29:06

these custom black glasses. I know this man

29:08

ordered these glasses. I

29:10

mean, it could be a woman. But it's just so funny to

29:12

me because it just like has like this

29:14

stupid fucking energy where it's just like I

29:17

can imagine them being like, all right, I'm

29:19

gonna put the sheet on. Yeah,

29:21

and it'd be like, but we want to know we're cool. Let's

29:24

get some custom glasses going.

29:26

You know.

29:27

But in the in the real

29:29

world, one thing that is scary is

29:31

that music business

29:33

worldwide talks about this is that

29:36

this is already having an

29:39

effect on analyzation of

29:42

how valuable music companies are too.

29:44

They've already having They're like

29:47

they they're already having companies evaluated

29:49

lower because they

29:52

think, oh, well, if we can generate this music

29:55

and you don't have to invest as much, then your company

29:57

isn't worth that much, right, your whole

29:59

a or whatever. We can just create it, it's

30:01

not worth as much.

30:02

I mean.

30:02

William Packer, a media specialist

30:05

at BNP Paris, I always

30:07

pronounced this wrong, Paris boss, and say,

30:09

I think is how you pronounced it, downgraded his view

30:12

of UMG's commercial potential, while

30:14

expressing specific concerns whether

30:17

AI made music could impact UMG's

30:20

market share. So it's already affecting

30:22

this company just the idea. And

30:26

some of this might even be not

30:29

necessarily going

30:31

after these people because of

30:34

the specific copyright infringement.

30:37

It might be to make an example of people.

30:40

And I wonder, right, and that's

30:42

why you know, I do as

30:44

much as I clown on this on this person

30:46

like ghostwriter, I do love this

30:49

like whole motif. I think it's really funny. I

30:51

think it's you know, kind of cool whatever. But

30:53

it almost feels like, man, you gotta you

30:55

gotta play careful here, right, you gotta

30:57

be careful, like because you

31:00

you're very inflammatory here and

31:02

I feel like you're three seconds from

31:04

like having the legal department going and

31:07

that's it. One more video this and we're

31:09

going after this person. You know.

31:11

Oh man, Yeah, I mean I don't, I

31:14

don't know. I don't think. I

31:16

don't think he cares, to

31:18

be honest with you.

31:20

I mean a lot of people don't care. And then

31:22

if they find your if they but

31:25

that's the thing, it's like if you if they

31:27

find maybe this person

31:29

and they have any argument legally

31:32

like and it's maybe they'll start off easy.

31:34

They'll just put a cease and assists, because I know lawyers

31:36

do this all the time. They'll just put a cease and desist to go,

31:38

please don't do that. And

31:41

then if he ignores that cease and desists, if

31:43

they really want to go after him, they will

31:45

find it will in a way to begin an argument,

31:48

and then legal fees start. Not

31:50

like, oh, will you win in court, I mean legal

31:52

fees will start because he's got to defend

31:55

himself, right, So I don't know,

31:58

we'll see And

32:01

and so I did you know, holdout

32:03

ghostwriter. I didn't

32:05

think I was gonna say that today, But here we are. Joe.

32:15

You there, Yeah, what

32:18

happened to you?

32:20

I think we both we

32:23

both just paused.

32:24

Just wait as for effect. All right, Joe,

32:27

tell me what your story is

32:29

because uh, we

32:31

were just so blown away by the last story.

32:34

Yeah, really just like really

32:36

just made me think about my whole life there apparently,

32:40

well we are talking more about

32:43

the lovely land of TikTok before

32:46

it implodes in a million

32:48

pieces by the US government.

32:51

Do you see Montana bandit?

32:54

I did see Montana banda And you know, what

32:58

is Montana even a real colin?

33:01

You'll never do. I also think

33:04

it's like it is funny, like it is notable

33:06

that a state banned TikTok, but I definitely

33:08

feel like a TikTok hqu they were like, you

33:11

know, out of the fifty of them, this is

33:13

probably one week at stomach mm

33:15

hmm.

33:16

Yeah. Well,

33:19

the music industry has finally discovered

33:21

what TikTok has discovered for I feel

33:24

like months and months

33:26

now, which is cap

33:28

Cut, which, if you don't know, it is

33:30

a third party app technically

33:33

third party technically not third party it's still

33:35

owned by ByteDance, and it's

33:37

hooked into TikTok. And

33:39

what you can do is you can make a bunch of meme templates

33:42

or other templates, and you can edit

33:44

videos faster than what you could

33:47

normally do. So often the music

33:49

industry is slow with the adoption

33:51

of newer technology, i

33:54

e. Spotify, streaming, uh,

33:57

TikTok, and now even cap

33:59

cut, but they finally discovered

34:02

it mostly because it

34:04

is as easy as one

34:06

two three with a lot of these templates

34:10

where you just you literally go on, you

34:13

throw in an image and

34:15

then you click export and then

34:17

it's pretty much done. And a lot of the time

34:20

these videos are doing really

34:22

well on the platform. So

34:24

a lot of these videos are getting like millions and millions

34:27

of views with like very low

34:29

effort, And it is so much

34:31

easier to keep track of

34:34

trends because a lot of the trends are actually getting

34:36

started with a lot of these cat cut

34:39

kind of templates. So just

34:41

for an example, the big

34:44

one that Billboard talks about is the

34:46

one with Pedro Prascal where

34:48

he you know, he's like munching on I

34:51

don't know, he's like munching on like a rice cake

34:53

or something, and it's

34:55

like sad piano music in

34:58

the back, and then it's like me as

35:01

I after I'm

35:03

working like thirty hours and

35:05

then I'm on my I run

35:07

to Taco bell Ors or some shit like that.

35:09

Right where it's like it's very simple, it's very

35:12

stripped down. But a lot of those videos they caught

35:14

on like wildfire throughout

35:16

the whole app, mostly because of how

35:18

easy it is to use the app. So

35:22

capcot is a digital platform. It's owned

35:24

by TikTok's parent company by Dance, amassing

35:27

over two hundred million

35:30

monthly active users that create

35:32

and use editing templates in

35:34

order to post to platforms such as TikTok,

35:37

but they can also post to Instagram

35:39

reels, YouTube shorts and more.

35:42

The only problem is you get kind of like a watermark,

35:45

which there's some like rumor of like

35:47

if you have a watermark in your video, do

35:50

these other social media companies take notice?

35:52

And then do they tank your views and like stuff

35:54

like that? But that's another story, right,

35:56

this is a useful tool to

35:59

many in the endtry wanting to channel

36:01

more and more content to the platforms as

36:03

a way of kind of like fillian blanks

36:06

I mean, Klin, We've used cap

36:08

cut for a couple of our videos ones

36:12

and it's great. It's so

36:14

easy to use, and like the reason

36:17

it's taken over is because of that ease

36:19

of use, and for artists

36:21

in particular. I think

36:24

a lot of times artists teams struggle

36:27

to keep track of these trends, and

36:29

this is almost like a research tool of like,

36:31

Okay, what's popping off because like, not

36:33

only can you see like what's popping off on TikTok,

36:36

you can kind of see what's going viral

36:39

and popular on cap cut itself

36:42

because it's it's laid out very

36:44

similarly to TikTok, where

36:46

it has like comments and likes and

36:48

stuff like that, and then different kind of categories

36:51

to each thing. So what's

36:55

even funny? Even they

36:57

even stated this in the Billboard argue are articles

37:00

like even professional video editors are using

37:02

this app because there's one

37:05

stated on Twitter quote, I'm gonna use

37:07

one of those cap cut templates because

37:09

yes, I'm a film editor, but I'm too lazy

37:11

to make a real edit and use Premiere

37:13

pro. And I have never

37:16

related to anymore my life,

37:19

I.

37:19

Mean why yeah, I mean it makes your life easier.

37:21

Why not, you know, dude.

37:23

I Mean, here's the thing. It's like a lot

37:25

of artists, a lot of artists teams think

37:27

like and and maybe I'm just kind

37:29

of outing myself here because like I primarily

37:32

do more like professional

37:35

looking content right where it's like it's

37:37

professionally shot and colored lit

37:40

like the whole thing. But like a lot of

37:42

the times, this kind of back end content

37:44

is like just as important as

37:46

that other stuff, mostly to keep the algorithm

37:49

fed right where it's not hungry

37:52

and you're not tanking your

37:55

your page essentially, and it's also

37:57

showing, like I said before, that you're

37:59

in tune with your audience because if

38:02

everyone else is like using these edits and like

38:05

you're not, a lot of the times people are

38:07

gonna be able to take notice or even see

38:09

your posts. But

38:12

this also begs the question of

38:14

how this will get people to listen to the actual

38:17

music instead of just feeding

38:19

into the black hole that is TikTok, Because,

38:22

as Billboard puts it, quote, a common critique

38:24

of TikTok is that it elevates

38:28

songs but not artists. Millions

38:31

of users might get obsessed with a snippet

38:33

of a track, but not even bother to

38:35

figure out what this singer looks like. And

38:38

I would even argue bother even clicking

38:40

to listen to the rest of the song.

38:42

Yeah, literally, yeah, how many times have you been

38:44

disappointed when you like found the full

38:46

song?

38:47

So many times?

38:48

Yeah, right, that's what so many times.

38:51

And it's like it's it almost

38:53

is like you feel guilty because it's

38:55

like, oh, wow, they really knew like the best part

38:57

of the song and they just like hanked

39:00

the rest of it.

39:02

Essentially, it's like a serotonin

39:04

thing, right, Like literally you're a serocauin and

39:07

junkie and you're like, well, you gave me the best

39:09

part of the song, so the rest part of your song is like,

39:11

eh, you know what I mean?

39:13

So yeah, boys, a liar is not that way though.

39:15

That whole song, like top

39:18

to bottom is amazing. It's like so good.

39:21

But all hope is not lost

39:24

for musicians because as Tim

39:27

Jurst, CEO of Digital Marketing

39:29

Agency Thinks Well puts it, quote,

39:31

as you hop on the trending templates,

39:33

you're going to get more and more views

39:36

and visibility, which is what we all

39:38

want. And so it becomes about how you

39:40

can find ways to take your own music

39:43

or the things that you're working on, and implement

39:45

it into templates that are trending. So

39:48

artists teams are now getting even craftier

39:50

with creating their own templates with songs already

39:52

attached to cap cut edits

39:54

to make it easier for fans to discover the music,

39:57

as well as being more proactive

40:00

and like starting trends on their own. But

40:02

we also have to talk about the

40:05

elephant in the room, which would be a

40:07

TikTok band. So

40:11

if TikTok were to be banned, this platform

40:13

might also be upended because

40:15

it's as well owned

40:17

by by Dance right. But

40:20

so far cap cut has been

40:22

pretty low key enough to avoid the

40:25

attention of Congress. But

40:27

that might change, you know, as more and more

40:29

questions about by Dance like continue

40:31

and like more process comes out. But like

40:34

I could even see a world in

40:36

which TikTok gets banned and

40:39

they just change cap Cut

40:41

into TikTok because

40:44

it's it's like already,

40:47

it's already there, it has an infrastructure,

40:49

it has like a thing. But

40:53

another thing I'd like to point out is

40:56

uh and this is something that you might not know, but

40:59

have you noticed do you think about how they name these

41:01

platforms called.

41:04

Cap cut

41:08

and then it's like.

41:09

Two syllables, it's two syllables

41:11

and a capital letter in the middle of the

41:13

phrase, and it's

41:16

when you

41:16

I, I literally

41:22

on, dude, it's crazy.

41:24

I I literally was like, this is

41:27

the dumbest ship ever that

41:30

they They've made millions

41:32

and millions of dollars off of these brand, this

41:35

brand, and it's so simple, and it's so like,

41:38

like you already understand that it's like a byte

41:40

dance company if it has this layout

41:42

right.

41:43

So they're trying to.

41:45

They're being like so subliminal even

41:47

with their their naming

41:50

convention of their companies.

41:53

But Colin, what do you think

41:55

about cap cut? And it's been a

41:57

fit and do you do

41:59

you think it's also over hyped?

42:01

Well, I was writing some names

42:03

down on my little journal here while you were talking,

42:06

so I just want to throw those at you first. Literally,

42:10

it looks like a death note I

42:12

where it'd be like live

42:15

ni, you know, just start writing

42:17

that whole thing. No, let me throw some names

42:20

at you. I wrote I Funny nine,

42:23

Gag, Tumblr, Imager,

42:26

and Reddit, and they're

42:28

all gonna die in the next forty

42:30

eight hours. No, but like,

42:33

yeah, this is what capcut reminds

42:35

me of in a good way and in a bad way.

42:38

Is if you guys know

42:40

what I'm talking about. With any of those, those are all

42:43

like platforms that were

42:45

very for lack of a better term, very

42:48

mean focused and

42:50

really specialized in having templates

42:54

a lot. The other one I should probably write in there

42:56

is what

42:59

is it called, uh not not pictionary?

43:03

I'm like, that's the game Pinterest,

43:07

Pinterest. Yes, they

43:09

all specialized in templates, which

43:11

is something I didn't really think about until

43:13

you started saying all this. I was like, that's what it reminds

43:15

me of. Nine Gag had a lot of templates.

43:18

I mean that's where like all the you know, nine Gag

43:20

faces and all that kind of I can't

43:22

remember what they're called. They're called something crazy the

43:24

non Gag faces, and

43:27

you know, I Funny had a bunch of like weird

43:29

emoji kind of faces that have become very

43:31

normalized now, but they used

43:33

to be very specific to the platforms.

43:36

And then you know piction U I

43:38

keep trying to call it pictionary. Pinterest

43:42

had a lot with kind of the collages,

43:45

and Tumblr had a lot with Tumblr

43:47

had a lot going on. But the point is

43:49

is that basically

43:52

they all really specialized in templates and

43:54

especially templates on their own platform, and

43:56

then a lot of it would go

43:58

off platform and then

44:00

they would kind of delegate

44:02

back to their platform.

44:05

So I think, unlike

44:08

a lot of the other ones, cap

44:11

Cut seems to me to

44:13

be very service based

44:15

and know that their platform

44:18

is about exporting to

44:20

another platform, which is a little

44:23

bit refreshing compared to the other ones where

44:25

it's like literally it just feels.

44:27

It feels like some like cool guys screaming

44:29

at you'd be like, if you want cool memes coming to

44:31

eye funny, you know what I mean. They're like, okay, let

44:34

me take two seconds.

44:35

Come on, kids, come down.

44:37

But a lot of them are like intra focus. They

44:40

were like, now you should come to this

44:42

platform since you watched it on this and

44:44

it didn't work. And it feels like because

44:47

of the by dance relationship that

44:49

they know, the pecking order that

44:52

they know that cap cut feels

44:54

supplementary to TikTok's existence.

44:57

In the same way, it almost reminds me of like a

45:00

Google ecosystem where they

45:02

acquired YouTube and YouTube is synonymous

45:04

with Google now because I feel like at

45:07

the time they were considered two separate

45:10

entities and now it's almost

45:12

indistinguishable to separate them. Right.

45:15

But it's not like they're like, oh, you

45:17

can only watch YouTube on you. No, you can watch

45:19

it in a weird browser you you don't have to

45:21

watch it on the you. You don't have to watch it

45:23

on the YouTube app, you know what I mean. You

45:26

could watch it in the

45:28

Google search feature, you could watch it

45:30

linked on another And so it felt very

45:33

much in that same way that capcut

45:35

knows its relationship there. Moving

45:38

with that, I do think that it does have

45:40

a benefit to musicians in

45:42

the short term. Just the amount of production

45:45

that you cut out is insane, right,

45:48

especially for and I will give

45:50

cap cup this, they've

45:52

done a very good job, especially compared to their

45:55

non existing competitors, in my opinion, of

45:57

making very technically filters

46:01

such as TikTok that are

46:04

unique and relatable

46:06

and are technically more

46:10

advanced than we've seen before. Right, for lack

46:12

of a better term, the amount of like green

46:15

screening in the ease of green screening

46:17

on this apps is very for

46:20

someone who like learned video editing software

46:22

in like twenty ten, is like very impressive,

46:26

you know what I mean, Like, it's just impressive to be like,

46:28

oh, I just put my face here and it

46:30

puts the green screen there and it goes yeah.

46:33

So I think I think it has an appropriate

46:35

level of hype. I think that capcut

46:39

is very beneficial to

46:41

feed the content machine, and thankfully

46:45

in a rare case. I don't

46:47

think it's necessarily just low

46:49

effort. I mean, it does take some ingenuity

46:51

to make a funny joke based

46:53

on an existing meme, right, It does

46:56

take energy and time, but you

46:58

cut out a lot of the productions. So I think it does

47:00

save a lot of people a lot of time, and

47:03

I think it saves a lot of effort, and like you

47:05

said, in a

47:07

engine and also just internet

47:10

culture that really wants

47:12

you to consistently be uploading

47:14

over and over and over again. If

47:17

you can produce this more low effort

47:19

content that seems to be well received,

47:21

then why not do it? You know what I mean? I

47:26

think that it has

47:29

a lot of potential. I do think like

47:31

you're saying, it

47:34

does have when

47:36

negative though, which is that you can

47:38

get a little bit too

47:40

much into that you're

47:42

almost advertising whatever joke

47:45

or meme template that you're using

47:47

more than you're doing your actual music,

47:50

and it can become very impersonal.

47:51

It can't our podcast page.

47:54

No, that's true.

47:55

Are you kidding me?

47:57

All our cap cuts that are TikTok

48:00

the true and they're all they're all about the

48:02

people who listen to the show. So if you're listening this far,

48:05

it's about you.

48:05

It's yeah, average business

48:07

tape podcast listener.

48:09

Right exactly. But no,

48:11

I mean, so that's what I'm saying is

48:13

I feel like it has to you have to

48:16

watch out with your ratio of it, if

48:18

that makes sense, because.

48:20

You can't get ratio.

48:21

You cannot get ratioed in this day and

48:24

age. Are you kidding me? Browmst

48:26

exist anymore. But

48:29

the point is that I'm saying is that it may

48:31

be lower effort, but it can't just

48:33

be only low effort posts, right,

48:36

So be sure that you're engaging your

48:38

audience, be sure that you're advertising

48:40

you and these posts, you know

48:43

what I mean, Make make them personal, you

48:45

know, at the end of the day, with the cap cut stuff.

48:47

But you have to balance that and also

48:50

having easy transferable

48:53

generally you know, applicable

48:55

kind of content. So

48:58

that's the difficulty. It is balancing

49:01

those two. But I don't think it's an outright

49:07

I would say, I don't think it's an outright

49:10

Hey, you can do this instead of regular

49:12

content all the time. I think it's a supplementary

49:14

other that you can do, right, So

49:17

I don't know, what do you? What do you think, Joe? I mean, you're a content

49:19

guy. You get paid to make content, So like,

49:22

what do you what are your thoughts on this

49:24

as a kind?

49:25

I mean, I think it's I think it's an amazing

49:27

tool. I think that it is

49:29

impossible to expect

49:32

humans to post every single

49:34

day all the time, and this is something

49:36

that allows people to do that in

49:40

a creative way as well as like keeping

49:43

up with the trends and stuff. And I do think

49:46

especially for musicians, this is great

49:48

right because of that. It's mostly mostly

49:51

because of keeping up with trends, just

49:53

because, like I do think often

49:57

musicians have a hard time doing

50:01

that sometimes, you know what I mean,

50:03

Like they just have a hard time, Like they

50:05

get so ultra focused on the music that

50:07

they forget about the the shit

50:10

around it. I have to do.

50:13

Can I interrupt for two seconds?

50:14

Yeah?

50:15

I forgot My brain

50:17

went off and I was like, oh, I'm

50:20

going to rip out this page while you're

50:22

talking. So I'm like ripping it out and the microphone's

50:24

picking it up. But I just realized the

50:26

insanity of ripping out my

50:29

death note style book. And

50:31

then I'm ripping out this and it's just

50:33

a piece of paper in red sharpie,

50:36

and all it says is I funny

50:38

nine gag tumbler imager and

50:41

read it anyway,

50:45

move on.

50:45

I think I think, honestly, that's uh,

50:48

that's where we should end the story. I think that's

50:51

that's pretty It's like, my,

50:55

oh my god, what's

51:03

on your music death note?

51:04

Oh?

51:05

Man?

51:06

On my death note? Like I want the music

51:08

to die.

51:11

I could give you this list if you would like this

51:13

list, I joke. I've told

51:16

you before. I have told you

51:18

before. I said I have a list of songs,

51:21

and I feel like everybody does, and I would

51:23

like every like. Look, I am the

51:25

type of person where I go this music

51:28

isn't for me, but I think somebody else would

51:30

get a lot of enjoyment out of it. I

51:32

can admit that as a human being, you

51:34

know, it doesn't touch me, but it could touch somebody

51:36

else. But also on the down low, there's

51:38

some songs I never want to hear again

51:41

ever in my life. And it's

51:45

part because they're played all the time, but

51:48

also just because I just

51:50

never resonated with them and I have lists.

51:53

Maybe Mambo number five. I'm going

51:55

to be really sad.

51:57

No, I like to jump in down and move it all

51:59

around. But like, the point is is that I

52:02

think that there are songs that

52:04

as a human being, you can be like, yeah, you

52:06

know, never again, never again?

52:08

Can I give you one that is heineous

52:11

that people would I have two. I

52:15

am a big Elvis

52:17

fan, but

52:20

I never want to hear falling in Love with You

52:22

ever again. I

52:25

I don't care what the wise man says.

52:28

I am over it because

52:31

you know why, it has been just

52:33

hit into the ground with

52:36

every rom com and like Valentine's

52:38

Day commercial or like here

52:41

at Zales, wise man

52:46

get her the gift that they'll never forget.

52:48

And you're like, love

52:52

that's one, and oh

52:55

this this is gonna give me one. That's

52:57

because this is going to even It's

52:59

a funny. This is two groups that never usually

53:02

interact. It's old folk

53:04

fans and Shrek fans are gonna

53:06

get mad at me.

53:09

You're not no don't say smash

53:11

mouth.

53:12

No, I love that that that

53:14

song is a bob. I don't want to hear Hallelujah

53:16

anymore. I'm over it. Oh yeah,

53:19

I'm over Hallelujah. By when are going?

53:21

I think it should be out.

53:24

It's a good song. He

53:26

does a great son.

53:27

The Hallelujah cover needs

53:30

to be fined at least eight thousand

53:32

dollars.

53:34

He should be paying to play this song. We

53:37

get it, we're good like, and

53:39

we're probably like. I guess Colin doesn't like sappy

53:42

songs. I was like, that's not true. I

53:44

just don't like things that are running.

53:46

To the ground, don't like seal.

53:48

It's true.

53:50

There's funny of say songs.

53:52

Oh yeah, there's so many anyway.

53:56

I guess I'll after I go through my

53:58

hate mail that I will receive after this episode,

54:02

I will tell you what I've been listening

54:04

to. I've been up in rural Pennsylvania

54:06

for the last week. You know this too, Yes,

54:09

and so I have literally

54:11

been behind horse and buggies in

54:13

my rented Dodge

54:15

Charger going down in the middle

54:18

of literally nowhere. Nowhere's Villa

54:20

is where I was, and I'm

54:22

just I was there for a week doing some work

54:24

stuff, all this kind of stuff, and I

54:26

swear to God, I put it together. Like right

54:29

when I left, I was like, I literally was

54:31

living in Amish Paradise. So I just

54:34

started listening to Amish Paradise by

54:36

Weird Al, which I did find out

54:38

at the karaoke bar that you know, I frequent

54:42

is a song that you can have

54:44

and it has lyrics and a lot of weird out

54:46

songs. So I am determined to ruin

54:48

a bunch of karaoke with Oh

54:50

my god, it's Gangster's Paradise,

54:53

and I go, yes, you know, no,

54:55

it's not. No, it's

54:57

not. It's worse. Raise

55:02

a barn on Sunday. Soon I'll raise

55:04

another and it'll be like, honey, we gotta

55:06

get out of here. Anyway, Joe, what have you

55:08

been listening to?

55:11

I've been listening to a

55:14

lot of music,

55:17

Colin, because we love music.

55:20

But one of those things of

55:22

music has been a

55:24

song called Jumper by Courting, which

55:27

is a great band. They're like very like punk

55:29

Asque I've talked about before. They're

55:32

super It's kind of like high

55:34

energy, like I would say, like

55:36

modern punk vibe,

55:38

but with it's

55:41

not as like heavy as

55:44

I think like most people envision punk to

55:46

be, but it's like it's very lyrical and

55:50

it kind of the lead talks

55:52

a lot about just like living

55:55

and I feel like modern society, which

55:57

a lot of I don't know if God,

56:00

I don't know if you've been having this issue, but uh,

56:02

me and my partner talk about this all the time. We're

56:05

so sick of love songs

56:08

and it seems like every fucking artist

56:11

wants to release a goddamn love song.

56:13

Whamon and

56:18

can we talk about anything else? Can

56:21

we talk about anything? Like, there's so

56:24

much more to life than

56:26

love, and like love is like a huge part of

56:28

it. I'm going on a rant here, all right, I'm getting

56:30

on my soap box.

56:31

We're real hate.

56:32

There's so much to life

56:35

besides love. Love is amazing.

56:38

Love is beautiful, but so is the other shit

56:40

in life. You know what also is beautiful?

56:42

Colin? Sitting

56:44

on a toilet with a bidet. That is

56:47

beautiful. That's something that is beautiful

56:49

in life. You know what else is beautiful, Colin?

56:53

What something

56:55

else that's beautiful is wearing compression

56:58

underwear? I don't hear any song uns

57:01

about that, Okay,

57:03

And I need more of it, So compression

57:07

up. Hit

57:09

me up. If you have any of that in

57:11

your descography, I will play it. I

57:14

will buy your merch I will buy your albums.

57:17

And I was sitting on

57:19

a beday turn the

57:22

water on, and said, hello.

57:25

Should I ask chat GPT to make a

57:27

song about a be day?

57:28

Yeah? Go ahead, let's see what it is?

57:30

All right, hold on, I gotta I gotta sign in.

57:34

What that's so dumb?

57:37

Okay, we're we're

57:40

going. Hold

57:43

on, all

57:46

right, Chat

57:48

GPT, write me. I

57:52

feel like I'm a boomer. Write me

57:54

a song about a

57:56

bedey.

57:58

I'm excited. A lot of reference

58:00

points B

58:03

I, D, E T E

58:06

T. It would be really embarrassing if I'd

58:08

spell it wrong.

58:09

Okay, it's going. It's going.

58:10

Okay, it's gonna

58:12

be.

58:12

Hard to to to figure

58:14

this out without like actual.

58:17

Like can you like copy pastes in

58:19

the chat?

58:21

Yeah? I can, I can. Alright, all

58:23

right here, let's let's it's

58:27

Oh oh this is a good song.

58:30

All right, let's say it. Oh

58:34

man, it's got choruses, it's got

58:36

a bridge.

58:36

Oh, it's it's got everything. Baby. I

58:39

think I think it was strange to

58:41

have a day in my range but now

58:43

I can't live without it. It's the best thing,

58:46

no doubt about it. Oh

58:50

day

58:50

ye away

58:54

but day that's

58:56

a response, colins go open day, But day

59:00

oh ba day you clean

59:02

me up every day. It's

59:05

like a spa treatment at home. No

59:07

need to travel, no need to roam, just

59:09

take a seat and let it do its job.

59:12

Feels like a refreshing water

59:14

blob. But day, day,

59:18

oh, but day you wash

59:20

my worries away. The day

59:22

o ba day you clean me up

59:25

every day. It may seem

59:27

strange to some, but once you try

59:29

it, you'll be one. No more

59:32

toilet paper waste. But day

59:34

is the way it tastes. Yeah,

59:36

but day go

59:39

day you wash my worries

59:41

away. The day o ba day you clean

59:43

me up every day. Beday opa

59:45

day. Thank you for being my friend.

59:48

But day over day I'll use

59:50

you.

59:51

Don't be there yet, all

59:57

right, fick, Thank.

59:58

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