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like. Hopping in the night every Wednesday

4:01

and on. Think. So and by in

4:04

the night you mean in the Green

4:06

Room? Yes, Absolutely. I am incredibly for

4:08

old to have you on the show.

4:10

Today is perfect timing A given what

4:13

happened in Judge Person's courtroom this week.

4:15

I mean that alone has to be

4:17

keeping you busy or. Is

4:19

it has been keeping me busy? I at

4:22

one of the frustrations of course is that

4:24

I can't see the trial. I can't see

4:26

that Juri Select said yes and so I'm

4:28

relying on the report says as journalists in

4:31

the court room on it typically at in

4:33

the past I've been on a lot of

4:35

different networks and I I sort of cut

4:38

my teeth on court Tv and then I

4:40

went along crime and that sorta went to

4:42

bigger network and so I've got about a

4:44

of oh, almost two hundred hours of watching

4:47

live tiles and commenting on them. And

4:49

fifteen. but rather this to me is like

4:51

you know I'm frustrated beyond belief because I

4:53

wanna know what's happening so that I can

4:56

explain it to people. Yeah, and

4:58

the other day when Donald Trump cells

5:00

sleep for the first time, he resisted

5:02

one. But when he fell asleep for

5:04

the first time, I'd like you and

5:07

so many of the rest of us

5:09

I was sitting there going. Is this

5:11

real anemones are so afraid? News is

5:13

this is a you know raises disinformation.

5:15

Or it did. That actually happened because

5:18

it seemed so bizarre. Yeah, No and

5:20

and so you wonder if it's really

5:22

happening and then what comes into my

5:24

head is trying. You know as as

5:26

somebody who who had been a bad

5:29

defense lawyer in the past I mean

5:31

I think it will. They must have

5:33

given him some Xanax, are some that

5:35

La Raza, Pam or something so calm

5:37

him down his he. He seems to

5:39

be able to control himself in this

5:42

environment and any falling asleep at in

5:44

periodic intervals. But

5:46

again in not not you know we're getting

5:49

this this reporting. After the fact I mean

5:51

another good example of this is as you know

5:53

the doing jury selection and they're trying to. enquire

5:56

of of these potential jurors and reporters

5:58

come out and say, well, what they're

6:01

doing is they're cross-examining the potential jurors and

6:03

I am ripping my hair out. I think

6:05

I've lost half my hair in the last

6:07

two days because it's like,

6:10

no, that's not what they're doing.

6:12

It's just unreal. So what is

6:14

that process that they're going through right now?

6:16

Sure. What it is is it's, we

6:19

call it an inquiry or we call

6:21

it, it's more of a direct examination

6:23

and for folks that want to know

6:25

the difference, a cross-examination is when you

6:27

already know what answer you're looking for

6:29

or that you have and you are

6:31

asking a closed question,

6:33

a closed answer question. So it's usually

6:35

a yes or a no versus something

6:38

that is a direct examination, which is

6:40

you're asking an open-ended question because you're

6:42

trying to solicit as

6:45

much information from them as you

6:47

can so that you can make

6:49

a determination about what their beliefs and

6:51

feelings are. And it seems to be

6:53

moving a lot faster than I think many

6:55

of us expected. Were you expecting it to

6:58

go this quickly? Like I think they've already

7:00

got seven jurors seated at this point? I

7:02

was expecting it to, it was an

7:05

odd process. I was expecting it to

7:07

go not

7:10

in a snail snail's pace, but it sounded

7:12

to me a little bit like there were

7:14

going to be these rounds of questioning. And

7:17

one of the things that struck me as

7:19

the most odd, and I think we're going

7:21

to see how this is probably going to

7:23

bite Trump in the behind, is that

7:26

they're bringing in what they call

7:28

a veneer, so a portion of a veneer. So

7:30

96 people and there's anybody who doesn't want to

7:34

be here to leave, okay good, so which

7:36

is unusual by the way, he

7:38

just doesn't want to deal with it. And then

7:40

they're going through the questionnaire and then

7:43

they're allowed to ask follow-up

7:45

questions and they're

7:47

doing the peremptory strikes now.

7:50

Now there are, I

7:52

heard that they had summoned 500 people, so

7:55

there are at least a Couple

7:57

hundred more at a minimum that are that are

7:59

waiting. Could be seen. but if

8:01

they fill those juri spots so those

8:03

seats before they get through all the

8:05

people that are behind them. Then.

8:08

It. That's. That's the jury

8:10

that they're gonna get. Whereas if you

8:12

you know he's doing the strikes now

8:14

and so if you use or strike

8:16

now and there's somebody you know I

8:19

don't know. Ah, a. Two hours, Three

8:21

hours, Four hours down the line. Who

8:23

you one hundred percent do not want

8:25

melt, it does sets, That's too bad

8:28

and is so I think that's a

8:30

mistake. Yeah, yeah and he was a

8:32

trophy on his website. Pro Central I

8:34

think he calls with it and saying

8:36

that he's out of strikes or not.

8:38

He doesn't understand why he doesn't get

8:40

more specifics of what is is there

8:43

are limits to the number throats you

8:45

can go up against the jurors as

8:47

you're shooting them. He's so damn

8:49

I. First I did you learn, be

8:51

analyzed with your bob and there's that.

8:54

There's the honesty and then there's the

8:56

I feel for his lawyers. At the

8:58

same time I find them reprehensible by

9:01

exit. The first thing is that you

9:03

get an unlimited number of of strikes

9:05

for cause. so if you if if

9:08

that person is so many who who

9:10

you perceive we the court finds might

9:12

not be able to serve in an

9:14

impartial and I hate that word but

9:17

impartial capacity then. Then you

9:19

can strike as many others as you

9:21

find on and it's what we're time

9:23

as peremptory is an A. New York

9:25

is a statute. In In the statute,

9:27

it's basically anything under a certain level

9:30

of felony and his falls into that

9:32

lowest level that you get ten strikes

9:34

and then you also get. To

9:37

for every an alternate. So in

9:39

essence they get ten and he's

9:41

the judges saying is gonna accept

9:44

and six alternates Which means that

9:46

six times do is twelve you

9:48

get twenty two if that's it.

9:51

right so once the jury seated

9:53

what's the next up after that

9:56

i mean we're going to get

9:58

underway with the actual meat and

10:00

potatoes of the trial, right? Exactly. What's

10:03

going to happen is, and he seems to be doing this

10:05

as he's picking jurors, or as jurors are being picked, is

10:08

that he is swearing them in under oath. And

10:11

then what's going to happen is the

10:13

court, and probably as early as Monday,

10:15

is going to be giving in

10:18

some instructions from the court of

10:21

what to expect, how this is supposed to work,

10:23

what their obligations are, sort

10:26

of what I would call house rules are. And

10:29

then what will happen is they

10:31

will do opening statements. Prosecutor

10:34

will go first, and

10:37

then the defense can either choose to

10:39

go or they can choose to delay

10:41

their opening statement until the start of

10:44

their case. Okay. So

10:46

yesterday, Donald Trump appeared to turn to

10:48

one of the jurors and say something

10:51

to them. Do we know what he

10:53

said, or is that still a mystery?

10:55

But it seemed like Judge Marchand was having none

10:57

of that, right? Right. Judge

11:00

Marchand could hear him from the bench,

11:02

which suggests that it was fairly loud

11:04

because of

11:06

just the distances. But

11:08

as far as I know, we do not know the

11:10

exact words. We know he was muttering and saying

11:14

things. Obviously the court treated

11:16

that as negative. And

11:18

it was as sort

11:20

of as the woman, I think it was a woman,

11:22

was leaving that he really sort

11:24

of piped up. And I think that

11:27

the judge was rightfully angry and

11:29

he held him to

11:31

account for that. We're

11:34

going to see a lot of that. We're going to

11:36

see a lot of that because remember in the civil

11:38

trials, he didn't feel that they

11:40

were important enough for him to show up. Here

11:42

he has to be there subject to arrest if

11:44

he doesn't show. So he's

11:47

going to have to listen to Michael Cohen.

11:49

He's going to have to listen to

11:52

Stephanie Clifford, AKA Stormy Daniels. He's going

11:54

to have to be sitting there looking

11:56

at them listening. And this is a

11:58

man we know who can't. Listen,

12:00

right and and

12:02

you know along those lines explain the

12:05

the Parker rules We talked about it

12:07

on the show yesterday a little bit,

12:09

but that's a pretty big deal It's

12:11

not necessarily aimed directly at Donald Trump.

12:13

It's not like Judge Rashawn came up

12:16

with these things Specifically for Trump. These

12:18

are standard rules that get read to

12:20

a defendant at the beginning of a

12:22

trial, right? Exactly. They are standard rules

12:25

Parker is the name of a case and

12:27

it is a rule that that

12:30

The judge is required to make sure that you

12:33

understand that if you do not show up to

12:35

trial You were expected to be there every single

12:37

day if you are not Incarcerated

12:39

pending trial you do not show up

12:42

Then it is subject to arrest and

12:44

that they will continue proceeding with this

12:46

trial in your absence whether you like

12:48

it or not So do you

12:50

think Judge Rashawn is gonna take? politics

12:52

into consideration when it comes down to

12:54

something like that because obviously Donald

12:56

Trump's gonna continue to push the boundaries of what he

12:59

can get away with and the question is

13:02

Will Judge Rashawn think about

13:04

things like? Oh, what's

13:06

gonna happen with Donald Trump supporters if I toss

13:08

him in jail for 30 days or something like

13:10

that is politics too much

13:12

of a consideration in not just

13:14

this particular case, but obviously in

13:17

the civil cases that we had

13:19

leading up to this and Obviously in

13:21

the future criminal cases as well. I

13:23

think what we have seen generally

13:26

except for that place down in Florida

13:28

is a Consistent

13:31

behavior of judges to Stick

13:34

with I'm going to treat you just

13:36

like anyone else. You're you are mr.

13:38

Trump not president Trump And

13:40

and by giving him those warnings and

13:43

holding him to account for his behaviors

13:46

He is is put in the

13:48

situation of being held accountable just like everyone

13:50

else So I don't think that he is

13:52

gonna take that into consideration judge judges get

13:54

threatened all the time It's

13:57

just that we don't hear about it. Yeah, they're

13:59

constantly threatened And he

14:01

isn't going to worry about that. He has a

14:03

job to do and most

14:05

judges that I've ever interacted with

14:08

take the responsibility of being the

14:10

gatekeeper for the process and

14:12

therefore our democracy

14:15

very seriously. I think that folks

14:18

need to really understand and really

14:20

sort of internalize this because dumb,

14:24

dumb Donald Trump doesn't

14:26

understand that. He has spent

14:28

hours and hours and hours of life that

14:30

we are never going to get back complaining about

14:32

the process in the courts. The reason

14:34

why we have the process that he's

14:36

going through, the reason why this exists

14:38

is to protect him. If we

14:40

didn't have this process, we didn't

14:43

have these rights, the

14:45

right to a public trial, then the

14:47

government could just pick you up and throw you

14:49

in jail and we'd never see again. Donald

14:52

Trump keeps talking about this business of if they

14:54

can do this to me, they can do this

14:56

to you. The fact of the matter is they

14:59

already do it to us. I

15:01

don't quite understand. Anyone

15:03

who's been charged

15:05

with a crime and has to face a trial

15:08

understands that this sort of thing happens all

15:11

the time. As far as federal prosecution, there

15:13

are tens of thousands of those every year,

15:15

aren't there? So this is not a witch

15:18

hunt or whatever the hell else Donald

15:20

Trump is calling it. It's

15:22

just how it goes. It's just what

15:25

happens when you commit a crime and

15:27

you're held accountable for that. Absolutely. People

15:30

have been talking about this concept of

15:32

accountability and I draw it to the

15:34

thing of accountability. Accountability

15:36

is when I have an obligation to

15:39

follow the law and the government

15:41

or the prosecutors have an obligation

15:44

to prosecute violations of that law.

15:46

It's consequences that

15:49

everybody is really invested in. It's what

15:51

will happen to him as a result

15:53

of being held accountable. Will he

15:55

be found guilty? How

15:57

will he be sentenced if found guilty? And

16:00

I always draw that distinction because I

16:03

think that the idea

16:05

of him going to trial will,

16:07

people will treat it if he is

16:10

not found guilty as that wasn't accountability.

16:12

It was. You know,

16:14

and the one thing that I don't think is

16:16

getting a lot of attention in the last maybe

16:18

24 or 48 hours is that

16:21

prosecutors have asked for a 30-day

16:23

jail sentence specifically for Trump if

16:25

he violates his gag order again.

16:28

And we go back to the same question I asked about

16:30

Judge Marchon. Is that

16:33

ever going to happen? I mean,

16:35

do you foresee a series of

16:37

circumstances realistically where Donald Trump will

16:39

end up in a jail cell

16:41

for 30 days? It

16:43

seems almost incomprehensible that it would actually

16:45

happen. I mean, we hope it will

16:47

happen, especially if he violates his gag

16:49

order. And I wonder if

16:52

that's even a realistic hope to have. Should

16:54

we dream? Should we dare to dream, Dr.

16:56

Tracey? I think we should.

16:58

And here's why. What they're doing

17:01

is they're doing sort of the step up process

17:03

where, you know, the first finding

17:06

of contempt, it would be a fine. And then the second

17:08

one will be, you know, 30 days

17:10

in jail. It's not inconsistent with how other

17:13

defendants are treated at all. One

17:15

of my problems has been throughout all of

17:17

this, and we're going back years, is that

17:20

Donald Trump is a person who

17:22

had a job. He no

17:24

longer has that job. He's

17:27

just an unemployed person, like the rest

17:30

of the unemployed people. He's an unemployed

17:32

person. That's a great way to describe him. Perfect.

17:36

He is. And so as a result of that, he

17:40

rightfully should go to jail. People make a

17:42

big deal about Secret Service. Yeah, big deal.

17:44

Okay, so what's going to happen to him

17:47

if he ends up shooting his mouth off and

17:49

pissing off this judge and ends up in contempt

17:51

a second time, assuming he's found

17:53

in contempt the first time, what's going to

17:55

happen is they're going

17:57

to take him into custody, just like

18:00

like they would take anybody into custody. And

18:02

then, you know, the Secret Service

18:04

has to cooperate. And so, you know,

18:06

they'll put him in, you know, sort

18:08

of a individual

18:11

cell. So in solitary

18:13

confinement, they'll probably put a Secret

18:15

Service agent outside that area. There'll

18:18

probably be a contingency as Secret Service agents,

18:20

you know, with the building, checking the building

18:22

and people going in and out. But

18:25

otherwise, frankly, that's probably the most secure place

18:27

he could ever be is in solitary confinement.

18:30

So I... By the way, while you

18:32

were describing that, I just had a big Cheshire Cat grin

18:34

on my face, like a Grinch

18:36

grin, just smiling from ear to ear

18:39

as you're describing, Donald Trump being thrown

18:41

into a jail cell in solitary confinement.

18:44

Just makes me happy. And it's not

18:46

a pleasant experience. I mean, you know, there's

18:48

the strip

18:51

search, there's the

18:53

delousing and the shower and

18:56

giving you a jumpsuit. Better and

18:58

better and better. I'm thinking like

19:00

that scene from Shawshank Redemption. So

19:02

now I've got that in

19:04

my head. Now I really, really, really want

19:06

this to happen. Yeah, it is

19:08

something that he'll be subjected to. It's not like

19:10

he's gonna get to be put in that jail

19:13

cell with his tie. They're gonna take that away

19:15

from him. They're gonna give him a new outfit.

19:18

And that's where he can sit. And

19:20

then what'll happen is they will bring

19:22

him in every morning. He'll

19:24

be in street clothes because when

19:26

you're in trial, they

19:31

don't have you sit there in the

19:33

orange jumpsuit with the shackles and

19:35

the handcuffs. What they do is

19:37

they allow you to put on street clothes and

19:40

you won't be seen in handcuffs or shackles in

19:42

front of the jury because that can impact their

19:44

feelings about you. Sure, yeah, that makes a lot

19:46

of sense. Does repeatedly falling asleep

19:48

in the courtroom constitute some form of

19:51

contempt? What if he does this nearly

19:53

every day? Like he just nods off

19:55

in the middle of a proceeding. At

19:57

some point, we'll judge him or show

19:59

him. and say, okay, look, you're in

20:01

my courtroom. Stop falling asleep on

20:04

the desk. Stop, wake up,

20:06

please. This is disrespectful. Is

20:08

that something that could happen or is he just

20:11

gonna be okay that he falls asleep every day?

20:13

I think that the court might

20:15

want to make a record of that

20:18

happening in some manner.

20:21

It wouldn't be in front of the jury. But here's

20:23

the thing about juries. They have

20:25

nothing to do but sit there and

20:27

look around. So

20:30

they're going to see him falling

20:32

asleep and how they treat

20:34

that information that they're taking in

20:37

is going to impact what they think

20:39

of him. So if he's asleep, they

20:42

very well may think he doesn't care.

20:44

He doesn't treat this seriously. Or

20:47

they could feel bad for him for

20:49

some reason. Or they could take no

20:52

opinion of it at all. But generally

20:54

speaking, juries are seeing every single thing.

20:56

If you go back to Johnny Depp's

20:58

case, which was a civil case that he

21:00

prevailed in, everybody

21:03

saw that he was eating the candy.

21:06

And that the relationship between the lawyers

21:08

was better on one side than the

21:10

other. The jurors are seeing that

21:12

too. And so my

21:15

doctorate is in education. It's

21:18

an organizational change in leadership. And

21:20

I wrote my dissertation on implicit

21:22

bias in investigations. And so

21:24

I know a lot about

21:26

how implicit bias works when it

21:29

comes to these sorts of situations. And

21:32

it is there. When they use the word

21:34

impartial and neutral, I try to suppress

21:36

the vomit in my mouth because I know there's no

21:39

such thing. But

21:41

there are ways of mitigating it, but that isn't

21:43

happening here. I mean, people bring every single thing

21:45

that they've ever encountered in their entire life and

21:48

counting in with them

21:50

into the jury room. They bring the

21:52

experiences. And we want them ironically to

21:55

bring experiences with them into the jury

21:57

room because that

21:59

forms... basis of

22:01

let's say assessing reasonability. So

22:05

I think that I

22:07

think that jurors are going to take that

22:09

into account and some people are gonna think

22:11

you have no respect for the court, sit

22:13

up you know. And because he's

22:15

made such a big deal about being

22:17

President Trump when he's no longer president,

22:20

I think that that works against him if he falls

22:22

asleep. Yeah I would say so.

22:24

But is Trump going to

22:27

be allowed to testify? Will his

22:31

attorneys allow him to get up on the

22:33

stand? I mean it seems like, well I

22:35

mean what are the chances it happens anyway

22:37

despite the fact that he'll obviously make things

22:39

worse for himself? It seems like there's a

22:41

possibility that he could be forced to testify

22:43

in some sense, right? Yes

22:45

there are there's two sort of two boxes I

22:47

want people to think about this in. The first

22:50

thing is that the right to testify is the

22:52

defendants. It belongs to the defendants and the defendants

22:54

only. And that is that

22:57

is consistent with the New York Rules

22:59

of Professional Conduct for lawyers. Now

23:01

of course a lawyer can advise you as

23:04

I have over the years, look buddy it's

23:06

not in your best interest to testify. And

23:08

you can choose to disregard what

23:10

your lawyer tells you. The other piece

23:12

of this is that if you choose

23:14

to testify and your lawyer knows that

23:16

that you're gonna lie or believes that

23:18

you're gonna lie, there's a way of

23:20

that that gets signaled. And that typically

23:22

an ethical attorney will stand up and

23:24

say your honor Mr.

23:27

Trump would like to or President Trump

23:29

would like to address the jury. And

23:31

the judge knows that what's happening in

23:33

that moment says okay and then the

23:35

you know Trump takes the stand and

23:38

and the judge gives him some some

23:40

parameters and lets him just talk. And

23:44

and then you know eventually we'll

23:46

cut him off. But the lawyer

23:48

cannot ask any questions of him

23:50

because they'll be suborning perjury. Okay

23:52

so those are the two things

23:54

there. Now so it's his choice.

23:56

However if the Abrag and

23:58

and and company do

24:01

this correctly, they can essentially

24:03

put him in a box

24:05

that forces him to

24:07

testify as to why

24:10

he did what he did, why

24:12

he thought what he thought,

24:14

because the evidence, this is

24:17

really a documents case. And

24:19

I've sort of done these

24:21

direct examinations of Stormy

24:24

Daniels and Michael Cohen in my

24:26

living room for my husband who's

24:28

in the legal profession as

24:31

a joke. I can do this case, I don't even

24:33

have to, like if anybody's sick I can just show

24:35

up, I'm good, I gotcha, because I can do this

24:37

case without ever seeing the file, because it's

24:39

that easy. And so they can

24:42

block him into a box where

24:44

if he doesn't get up to

24:46

testify, then they are

24:48

left with the information that they

24:50

have and no answer as to

24:52

why he did what he did

24:55

and his understanding. The

24:59

other thing is that not testifying generally

25:01

doesn't work well for defendants historically.

25:03

Interesting, it works against them, right? Yes,

25:06

because they assume you're guilty. Wow,

25:09

fascinating. So in that sense, does

25:12

Alvin Bragg and his team want

25:14

Donald Trump to testify? Will

25:16

they be sort of strategizing around the concept of

25:19

well if we play our cards right, we can

25:21

get him on the stand? Is that something that

25:23

they'll be seeking out? I think

25:25

that they will create the

25:28

direct examinations of

25:30

Daniels and Cohen and the company to

25:34

support that. I

25:37

think that they will make it

25:39

so that the only way you

25:41

could defend yourself in this is

25:44

not trying to do what is

25:46

sort of a stereotypical pull out

25:48

a card out of the house

25:50

of cards that they're building, sort

25:54

of knocking those cards out, which is

25:56

what Blanche is going to

25:58

try to do. It's going to

26:00

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26:02

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27:36

B, the president of

27:38

the Confederacy. Okay, because... You

27:44

know, he could claim that he's immune from prosecution that way,

27:47

but only in the South. You know what I'm saying? Like,

27:49

it wouldn't help him in the U.S. Which is

27:52

probably why he's not all about,

27:54

you know, dividing the spoils of the vote

27:56

right now. I feel like

27:58

you finally have a take in that magic. The would

28:00

absolutely love you. They would love they'd loving

28:02

say you know and. I. Said that's that's plenty

28:04

of odd things that minute A should like about me

28:06

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28:09

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28:14

sigh a second. Podcasts. I

28:24

loved your tweet yesterday where you suggested

28:26

we refer to this trial not as a

28:28

Hush Money or election interference trials which

28:30

are a couple of the titles that

28:32

we've been playing around with on social

28:34

media, in on cable news and so

28:36

forth. But this is a fraud trial, right?

28:38

I think that's a great way to

28:40

flame what's happening. It's another instance of

28:42

Donald Trump committing. Business. Fraud.

28:45

What's your justification behind pushing

28:47

for that flaming which I

28:49

think is absolutely effect of

28:51

my the with. Well thank

28:53

you I I I might us

28:55

the gay son is this number

28:57

one on that. The whole Sus

29:00

money thing is not illegal months

29:02

and N n it's It's a

29:04

cutesy mainstream media marketing the way

29:06

to get people interested and so

29:08

it has no factual basis in

29:11

anything other than denser to the

29:13

conduct that was going on behind

29:15

the scenes news on. The second

29:17

reason is that an election interference.

29:19

If this were election interference he

29:21

be charged. With election Interference, the

29:24

reason why election interference is it

29:26

is used is that it helps

29:28

to further a narrative on that

29:30

that is out there and I

29:32

think that it is an accurate

29:34

is A D A doesn't have

29:36

to explain why. I. Donald Trump

29:39

did what he did, only what he did

29:41

was unlawful on so. and the third reason

29:43

is really simple and basic. If you go

29:45

and look up the lie in the New

29:48

York I'm a penal Code I'm It says

29:50

it's fraud and if there is a plum

29:52

line running through Donald Trump's life, it is

29:54

fraud. oh god yes yeah i mean

29:57

when we saw that in georgia and grounds

29:59

courtroom read It's an amazing

30:01

thing to me, Dr. Tracy, because

30:03

this is Trump's second trial this

30:05

year in which he's accused of

30:07

business fraud, and yet half

30:10

the voting population wants him to be

30:12

the steward of the economy again. I'll

30:14

never figure that one out. Like, okay,

30:16

let's get this guy back in office

30:18

so he can ruin everything once again.

30:20

How do people square this notion?

30:22

And I'm not talking about necessarily

30:25

his most loyal base, his most

30:27

loyal disciples. I'm talking about swing

30:29

voters, people leaning toward Donald Trump who

30:31

may have voted for Joe Biden last time

30:33

around. How

30:35

could they possibly look at this

30:38

guy who's, again, on trial for

30:40

business fraud as being a

30:42

competent steward of the economy? Well,

30:45

number one, the mainstream

30:47

media loves to push the narrative of

30:49

the bad economy. Yeah. And the reality

30:51

is the economy is doing incredibly well.

30:54

So that's the first thing. The second

30:56

thing is that typically when we have

30:58

seen a downturn in the economy and

31:01

then it comes back up, it takes

31:03

time for that to kick in. And

31:06

the economy isn't just,

31:09

is a larger understanding

31:11

of how our

31:13

economic system works. It

31:15

is not what people feel day to

31:17

day, but the thing that you're feeling day

31:20

to day is what we

31:22

call corporate greed. And so

31:24

that is something that is prevalent

31:26

and is something that without a

31:28

working house we can't address. And

31:31

it is something that is impacting.

31:33

That's why when you go to

31:35

the grocery store and you buy

31:37

food and it's more expensive, that's

31:40

corporate greed mostly. It's also a

31:42

combination of sort of

31:44

a leftover of pandemic

31:47

supply chain stuff. But by and

31:50

large like Amazon, corporate greed, buying

31:53

cars, corporate greed, there's

31:55

just, CEOs

31:57

are not lowering their salaries, they're increasing.

32:01

their costs, they aren't paying their

32:03

workers that much more, and they

32:05

are doing whatever they

32:10

can to try to benefit their

32:12

personal bottom line, rather

32:14

than understand that you lose customers, people

32:16

don't buy as much, etc. and so

32:19

on. Then they're also laying off workers.

32:22

And so that's how it all

32:24

works. The

32:29

problem is that people don't know

32:31

this. They don't understand this. And one

32:33

of the reasons why I appreciate shows

32:35

like yours is that people get to

32:38

learn things. If I

32:40

had my greatest wish, it would be

32:42

to just be a pure mouthpiece for

32:44

teaching people things because they

32:46

just don't know stuff. And in

32:48

some ways, it's not their fault. This

32:51

is really complicated things, and they

32:54

spend more time on social or on mainstream

32:57

media talking about how

32:59

people feel about stuff instead of teaching them stuff

33:01

so they can feel better. Yeah, I feel

33:03

like that's where the political news media

33:05

utterly fails the American people, where you've

33:07

got maybe 45% of the voting

33:10

population under a complete misoprehension about

33:12

what's happening with the economy, what's

33:14

happening with crime, what's happening with

33:16

immigration, what's happening with the climate.

33:18

Ultimately, this falls into the laps

33:20

of the news media. If you

33:22

had half of a student body

33:24

at a high school that

33:27

was completely out to lunch about the facts, you'd

33:29

start taking a hard look at the teachers. Wouldn't

33:32

you? Yes, you would.

33:34

For example, gas prices are

33:36

going up. Yep, they are going up. There's

33:39

a bunch of scary, evil things that

33:41

are happening across the

33:43

pond in an area of

33:45

the world where there's a lot of oil.

33:47

Ironically, the United States has produced a heck

33:49

of a lot of oil. We happen to

33:51

export most of our oil because we don't

33:54

refine it ourselves. We take

33:56

in other people's oil to refine it, but

33:58

the prices are not set by the U.S.

34:00

the president folks, they are set by, you

34:03

know, crude oil set by OPEC. And

34:05

we don't really have a say in

34:07

that. Are there taxes? Yeah, you know

34:09

who says taxes? The legislature. You

34:12

know, I mean, it's, it is, there's, there's

34:14

so much people don't understand. Now, when I

34:16

was in school and, you know, way back

34:18

when, you know, they had tablets and stuff,

34:20

right? When I was way back

34:22

in school, I had to take a class on

34:24

civics. Yeah. I don't think they

34:27

offer that anymore. Oh, no. If

34:29

they did, people would understand things. Yeah.

34:32

Yeah. I mean, when I was in high

34:34

school, a thousand years ago, we had government

34:36

class, we had social studies, we had, I

34:38

mean, we actually had a class about us

34:40

government. Granted, it was only a half year

34:42

class. You only took it for the first

34:45

half of the year and then you put

34:47

something else in that slot for the second

34:49

half of the year. And I was in

34:51

a very well-funded high school in Northern Virginia.

34:53

So that was 1988, for God's sake. Where

34:58

we are now is a much more

35:00

dismal place where I think

35:02

a lot of corporations and especially

35:04

big energy is taking

35:07

advantage of the political

35:09

situation in the United States by

35:11

jacking up prices, by gouging

35:14

prices while at the same time

35:16

cynically believing that, well, this is fine,

35:18

we can get away with this because

35:20

everyone's going to blame Joe Biden and

35:22

the Democrats, whoever's in power, they're going

35:25

to blame those people. And instead of

35:27

blaming us, the corporations in big energy.

35:29

And that's where people get duped. That's

35:31

where people fall right into that trap,

35:33

don't they? Exactly. And then, so

35:35

where do people get their news? They get their news

35:37

on social media, they get their news on

35:41

TV and they

35:43

aren't putting on people to explain these things

35:46

in a way that is distillable for the

35:48

average person to understand. And then we have

35:50

this other problem, which is sort of this

35:52

generational influence, which is that there

35:54

are some generations that exist presently that

35:56

want to blame everyone else for

35:59

things. Instead of just

36:01

appreciating that things are the way they are

36:03

because of other factors They just want to

36:05

place blame and they don't care if the

36:07

blame is placed properly And

36:09

somehow they think that's productive. It just

36:12

isn't yeah, and it is

36:14

frustrating for me I mean we have

36:16

a president who has done more

36:18

than any president that I voted for in my lifetime

36:20

and I voted for quite a few and He

36:24

can't seem to get his message out and

36:27

and it's not I don't think

36:29

being appreciated And then it's

36:31

also being overshadowed by you know Netanyahu

36:34

and and his nonsense right and

36:36

so I just I think that that

36:38

you know Every election we say is

36:41

the most important election This is surely

36:43

the most important election and

36:45

somehow we have got to find ways to cut

36:47

through and Educate people and get

36:50

them to understand the importance of this because

36:52

we can't have another 2016 We

36:54

just can't that's the real challenge isn't it? Dr.

36:56

Tracy is getting a message like Joe Biden's

36:59

message out there in a time in which

37:01

Trumpism and Donald Trump has completely

37:04

skewed what it means to be

37:06

president and to message an idea

37:09

Because what Donald Trump did was

37:11

Donald Trump pestered us 24-7

37:14

his giant pumpkin head in our

37:16

living rooms all day long Every

37:18

day for four years and

37:21

now it's automatically expected that the president is

37:23

supposed to do that if the president doesn't

37:25

do that Then he's accused of

37:27

being hidden by his staffers or oh my

37:29

god There must be some sort of cognitive

37:31

issue that they're trying to hide so yeah

37:33

They're keeping him on a short leash or

37:36

whatever the nonsense happens to be and

37:38

that's where I think The

37:40

messaging has a hard time getting through because

37:42

Donald Trump made a politics

37:44

for all the awfulness I

37:46

think in the view of the news

37:49

media Donald Trump made politics exciting and

37:51

a ratings grabber and something you could

37:53

acquire Lots of downloads and likes and

37:55

shares and retweets and things like that and

37:57

then Joe Biden comes along normal president

38:00

and doing normal things successfully

38:02

passing legislation through a very

38:04

divisive Congress, things like that.

38:07

But he's not screaming, he's not annoying

38:09

us 24 seven. So

38:12

it just doesn't get the coverage, does it?

38:14

That's where this all falls apart, right? It

38:16

doesn't get the coverage. And when it

38:18

does get the coverage, it doesn't have

38:21

the same impact. Because what we have

38:23

been in is a state of crisis

38:25

for four years with Donald Trump. We

38:27

had basically every single damn day was

38:29

a crisis where people were

38:31

being kept out of the country, where things

38:33

were being done and the courts were having

38:35

to step in. And every single morning, both

38:37

of us woke up and looked at Twitter

38:39

and went, God, what did he do today?

38:43

And it was terrible. And

38:45

so everybody basically suffered through

38:47

a trauma and we had our

38:50

cortisol levels, the highest that

38:52

they've probably ever been in our lifetime. If

38:54

you care about our country. And

38:56

so then what happens is it's sort of like

38:58

going a trillion miles an hour in a car

39:01

and then putting a foot on the brakes. And

39:03

all of a sudden you've stopped and

39:06

you don't know what to do.

39:08

Because it's not, now what we're

39:10

seeing is what actual government looks

39:12

like. See what Donald Trump did

39:14

was not government. This is actually

39:16

government and government moves slowly. Systems

39:19

move slowly, they are not revolutionary.

39:21

Donald Trump tried to basically disregard

39:23

all of our systems and make

39:25

government revolutionary and that isn't what

39:27

it is or should be. And

39:30

it's especially tragic knowing that he's going

39:32

to put that on steroids. He's gonna

39:34

turn that up to 11 next

39:37

time around, given the chance. And

39:39

I think that's getting lost in

39:41

the political discourse right now too,

39:43

especially in some circles in the

39:46

news media where they just,

39:48

I think they're resistant to cover

39:50

things like the existential crisis to

39:52

democracy because they don't wanna

39:54

seem like they're too extremist or they're

39:56

gonna lose access in the would-be Trump

39:58

administer, second Trump administer. It's a

40:01

tragic thing to observe. It

40:03

is. And, you know, there's a lot of stuff out

40:05

there that we're hearing,

40:08

that they're planning, that

40:10

is just god-awful, frightening. And

40:13

we have to trust that, you know, these systems

40:15

are going to hold. And I think that they

40:17

held the first time, but I don't know that

40:19

they will this time. And,

40:22

you know, people, like, I'm frustrated with the

40:24

folks that are saying, I'm not going to,

40:26

you know, vote for Joe Biden because of

40:29

his stance on Israel. And I'm just

40:31

like, okay, let's talk

40:33

about this. All right. He's not

40:36

the president of Israel. He can't make

40:38

the man do anything. And I

40:40

don't know, I don't, I don't know

40:42

what you're not understanding about that. He

40:44

hears you. Well, the

40:46

other thing too is that his opponent,

40:49

Donald Trump, actually has pledged on numerous

40:51

occasions. I think he

40:53

wants to deport sympathizers of

40:55

Hamas, which will inevitably sweep

40:58

up all kinds of Palestinian American citizens.

41:00

This is, I think, a factor that

41:02

is getting lost in this equation, that

41:05

if Donald Trump becomes president

41:08

because certain people are

41:10

upset with Joe Biden and our Israel policy,

41:13

the alternative is going to be a factor

41:16

of a gazillion times worse. Don't you

41:18

think? It will, because

41:21

what we saw, you know, when we were

41:23

on sort of like this precipice this weekend,

41:25

people didn't know until afterwards, and they probably

41:27

still don't know, that 72 hours

41:30

before Iran started their business with Israel,

41:32

they notified the United States and then

41:35

sent the slowest moving drones available that

41:37

our United States fighter pilots could shoot

41:39

down. And it was

41:41

all of this is strategy. Donald Trump

41:44

doesn't understand strategy. He doesn't understand foreign

41:46

policy. And Donald Trump will bomb the

41:48

hell out of anything that he thinks makes

41:50

sense to bomb the hell out of. And

41:53

he'll put people within his military circles

41:55

that will just tell them to carry

41:57

out these orders. you

42:00

know, you know, the United States

42:02

is being attacked again. And I

42:05

think that it's really important to understand

42:07

that that President Biden knew

42:09

exactly what was happening. He also

42:12

was like knee deep and in

42:14

pulling people back and negotiating them

42:16

back and saying, calm down, you

42:18

know, and let let send a

42:20

message, you know, and I mean,

42:22

but then what we have is we have social

42:25

media that is, I don't want to say not

42:27

policed, but it is turned into basically

42:30

a shit show on Twitter in particular.

42:32

Yeah, what used to be really useful

42:34

has become not useful. And the number

42:36

of people out there that are just

42:38

basically saying crap, that is just not

42:40

true. You know, they were

42:42

targeting civilians actually, no, they weren't,

42:44

they were targeting military targets and

42:47

72 hours warning plus really the

42:49

slowest moving drones you could ever find. But

42:52

it doesn't serve their narrative and

42:55

their narrative exists to make them

42:57

feel good. It's frustrating. It is.

42:59

Explain the story out of USC, where

43:02

this valedictorian has been denied the opportunity

43:04

to offer up a commencement address at

43:06

the graduation ceremony. I know next to

43:08

nothing about this story, but I know

43:10

you've been covering it quite a bit.

43:13

What's happened here and it's really upsetting as

43:15

an alum of USC and somebody who actually

43:17

worked there and knows some

43:19

of the skeletons in their closet because of the job

43:22

by USC to be valedictorian. And she happens

43:27

to be someone who supports Palestine,

43:30

but she is not someone who has

43:33

been overtly politically involved. Her

43:35

Instagram account has no posts, but she does

43:37

have a link to something called, you

43:40

know, free Palestine. And then there's

43:42

some information about that.

43:44

Regardless, USC solicits their

43:48

students who are qualified for valedictorian

43:51

status. They solicit you

43:53

to fill out an application. She fills

43:55

out the application. She goes through the

43:57

process and she meets all the criteria.

44:00

and she is awarded

44:02

the the valedictorian status.

44:05

One of the things that's required is

44:07

that she be able to give a

44:09

short engaging commencement speech.

44:11

What happens on April

44:13

4th is that she awards she's awarded

44:15

that, pictures are taken, you

44:18

know publicity, publicity and then it seems

44:20

as if between April 4th and April

44:22

15th what happens is she there's

44:25

that she's the subject of a campaign and I believe

44:28

this was frankly outside the university to

44:30

have her removed as valedictorian and

44:33

so what happens is USC send out

44:35

one of these little community letters which

44:37

are mostly laughable most of the time

44:39

because they screwed them up and

44:42

on April 15th they removed

44:44

her not as valedictorian but said that

44:47

she would not give a speech because

44:49

of quote security concerns. She

44:51

issues a statement and that statement describes all

44:53

the work that she has done at USC

44:57

and it describes her interaction with

44:59

the university as to the security

45:01

concerns and the fact that when she

45:04

met with them they wouldn't even tell

45:06

her the details. Now if these security

45:08

concerns were so serious that they

45:10

had to cancel her speech I'm going

45:12

to tell you that based on the

45:14

role that I occupied at USC they

45:17

would have told her because that was one of the

45:19

things that I did as my job. So

45:22

they didn't tell her what they were

45:24

so it seems as if that maybe

45:26

security isn't so much the issue but

45:28

what they did by doing this is

45:31

if they were concerned about a disruption

45:34

of the university graduation

45:36

they bought one now

45:38

because now they've pissed off everybody

45:40

about this. I mean I'm seeing posts

45:42

from from parents

45:45

who are parents of current

45:47

students who are in fact Jewish who

45:49

were angry she's earned this why are

45:52

you doing this I pay tuition I

45:54

am seeing lots of people

45:56

who are upset about this and this

45:58

is you know program former for USC.

46:00

They have a tendency to not do

46:02

anything properly and then they

46:05

screw it up. And so here

46:07

we are with a young woman

46:09

who has extraordinary achievements, did work

46:11

with the Shoah Foundation, which its

46:14

purpose exists to

46:17

record the testimonies and preserve

46:19

the testimonies of Holocaust survivors.

46:21

Her minor is in preventing

46:25

genocide and

46:27

this woman is not allowed to get a speech of

46:29

hope at her college graduation and

46:31

so they've basically ruined her graduation for

46:34

her and her family and friends. So

46:36

do you think the security threat is

46:39

entirely bullshit? I think that

46:41

they might have been concerned

46:43

about protests and but

46:45

when she asked them well can you take steps

46:47

to protect me? Can I do this by

46:50

video? Can I? They didn't want to do

46:52

that according to her because it was it

46:54

wasn't a good look. Yeah. And if I can

46:56

tell you anything about USC they are all about

46:58

aesthetics. So I

47:01

also think that they were concerned and I

47:03

can't say this with any sort of specific

47:05

knowledge but I think they were concerned about

47:07

donations because that is if anything drives USC

47:09

it's donations. They tend to have this

47:12

process of valuing people and applying their

47:14

policies and procedures to the people who

47:16

they perceive is valuable as opposed to

47:18

the people they don't perceive is valuable

47:20

to them and what that value is

47:22

is what you can do for them.

47:24

Just incredible. I want

47:27

to go back before we wrap up I want

47:29

to go back to court in particular. Do

47:31

you think the January 6th trial for Donald

47:33

Trump is gonna get underway before the election

47:35

or what's your anticipated

47:38

timeline on when Donald Trump will be

47:40

back in court? I know we're in

47:42

court now in New York

47:44

City and I feel like I'm looking at

47:46

gift horse in the mouth by saying when's the next one?

47:49

But when do you think the next one is gonna

47:51

get underway? Oh gosh if I had a

47:53

crystal ball. I mean we've

47:55

got a situation here where I think

47:58

that the decision in the Supreme Court about his

48:00

immunity is gonna come down like this. I

48:02

think they're going to say that he has

48:04

absolute immunity for official actions, but official actions,

48:07

whether this is an official action that he's been

48:09

charged with is one that is a fact-based issue

48:11

that needs to be determined by a jury. So

48:14

ultimately, it will end up going

48:17

back to Judge Chukin and she will then

48:19

put it on the calendar. I don't know

48:21

what her calendar looks like. And

48:24

obviously, what we have now is we

48:27

have about a six to eight week trial if

48:29

everything goes well in the New York case.

48:31

So he can't be in a federal trial

48:33

if he's in a, if

48:36

he's in a New York state case trial, he has to be

48:38

there. So then, how

48:41

much time is in her calendar and whether she's

48:43

actually truly accounted for that, expecting that it's gonna

48:45

come back, I don't

48:48

know. But what I would say

48:50

is if she's got the time in her calendar, it's gonna

48:52

happen. And they're gonna do their

48:54

darnest to try to delay it. I think

48:56

that she, as Glenn Kushner

48:58

says, doesn't play and

49:01

that she will compel them

49:03

to either waive their

49:07

speedy trial rights, which

49:10

would be a mistake because that's something that you can

49:12

appeal or to move forward. I

49:17

know that Jack Smith is not having

49:19

any more of Donald Trump spit down

49:21

in Florida with the delay tactics. So

49:24

I think everybody's getting to a saturation point. Yeah,

49:27

I think so too. Is the New York

49:29

City trial gonna be a matter of weeks

49:31

or months, what can we

49:33

anticipate there? Seems like it's moving along

49:35

quite quickly, so seems more like weeks,

49:37

right? Well jury selection is moving quickly.

49:40

Six to eight weeks is what

49:42

I understand. And that's also a

49:44

function of the fact that Wednesdays

49:46

are dark for this trial because

49:49

he's putting other matters on

49:52

those days. So

49:54

they're in court four days a week. It'll

49:57

all depend on what happens. might

50:00

end up with a juror who ends up getting sick or

50:02

a defense lawyer who ends

50:04

up getting COVID and then we've got to

50:06

take a couple days off. I think that

50:08

everybody needs to just expect that there's

50:11

a plan and usually with

50:13

trials those plans have to shift

50:15

and to just be flexible. Last

50:19

week, Dr. Tracy, you tweeted this,

50:22

I may need to take a break

50:24

or quit this app. The number of

50:26

dumb humans who insist on kaka BS

50:28

conspiracy or who want to tell me

50:30

how wrong I am or who want

50:32

to attack me for anything under the

50:34

sun has exceeded my capacity. Fuck Elon.

50:37

So say us all. Dr. Tracy, I so

50:39

agree with that. What's the plan?

50:41

What do you think? Where do you

50:43

think you're going to land if you end up leaving Twitter? Well,

50:46

I mean, I'm on Twitter. I get

50:48

really fed up by the sort of

50:50

these attack bots that come after me

50:52

or people that misrepresent what I'm saying.

50:54

I have accounts over on, well,

50:56

I have LinkedIn profiles, I have thread

50:58

profiles, I have Instagram. I'm pretty

51:01

much everywhere up in the sky. It's really hard

51:03

to keep up with all of them. And

51:07

so I think that you can find me

51:09

in all those places, I get a sub

51:11

stack. I'm going to try to stick with

51:13

Twitter as long as I can because at the end of the day,

51:16

it really does work to try to communicate with

51:18

people in real time that go to the opportunity

51:20

to communicate with people that you never could communicate

51:22

with before this. I

51:25

really wish somebody would go into chat GBT

51:27

and say, please create, give me

51:29

all the code to recreate Twitter and then

51:31

do it and put it on a server

51:34

somewhere and that's where we could go.

51:36

Yeah, I would love that. I think Chris

51:38

Busy is trying that over at Spoutable. I

51:41

think he did something similar to that, but

51:43

everyone is still on Twitter. I'm still on

51:46

Twitter. And by the

51:48

way, I will always call it Twitter. It

51:51

seems like it's still the hub for

51:53

political discourse. So if you want to

51:55

be engaged in what all of

51:57

the newsmakers are saying, Twitter is still

52:00

It's confounding and I didn't think it was

52:02

going to last this long with

52:04

Elon and Charge and yet here

52:06

we are. I think in spite

52:08

of ourselves. I wanted

52:10

threads to work but I can't

52:12

figure out how to engage people

52:14

on threads because you

52:17

can have one hashtag and I can't figure

52:19

out who it is that's seeing me and

52:21

who had to talk to anybody. It just

52:23

doesn't seem to have the same reach and

52:25

I think that's the thing with Twitter is

52:27

that it has a reach but we're running

52:29

into a problem on Twitter and that I

52:31

guess they're going to be starting to charge

52:33

people to be able to reply or bookmark

52:35

or retweet. That

52:38

doesn't make any sense. Is

52:41

it first timers or is it going

52:43

to be everybody? It's going to be

52:45

anybody who's not enrolled

52:48

in some sort of premium or whatever

52:50

so anybody who isn't already paying and

52:53

I think that that is going to be a

52:55

massive mistake that people are just going to dump

52:57

the app and then what happens? I don't know.

53:00

Going back to threads real quick you were saying that

53:02

you're having trouble getting people engaged. I'm having the same

53:04

problem on Blue Sky. Nine

53:07

of them have attracted everybody yet and I'm

53:09

waiting for that moment where everybody goes, oh

53:11

yeah there's this thing called Facebook and we're

53:13

all on Facebook now. Get on Facebook. Remember

53:17

that was the thing after MySpace. Facebook

53:19

is the grown up version of MySpace. Let's all go

53:21

there. It seemed like there was a huge movement,

53:24

a giant push for everyone to go and

53:26

do that but I don't see that happening

53:28

yet with some of these alternatives. No

53:31

and I can't even go back to Facebook

53:33

because I can't seem to get my account

53:35

again because it was hacked and somebody has

53:37

it. I

53:40

can't seem to contact anybody at Facebook to

53:42

help me. I'm

53:45

hoping that either something new pops up

53:47

or that everybody sort of coalesces around

53:49

one thing. One of the

53:51

things that's really frustrating is that these API

53:54

background codes used to allow you to be

53:56

able to sort of blast everywhere and because

53:59

Elon shut down everything, you have

54:01

to post something there. And

54:04

then most of these things you gotta go to,

54:06

because of the type of environment and culture it

54:08

is, you gotta reward it and

54:10

put it out. And it's just, it's

54:12

a lot of work. And I

54:14

want everybody to sort of, I

54:16

want that marketplace feel of having

54:18

that town square. Yeah. But

54:21

I would like the Nazis not to be there. Is

54:23

it too much that? Right, can we have a

54:25

town square without Nazis, please? Yeah,

54:27

despite all of that, how can people find

54:29

you on social media, Dr. Tracy? You

54:32

can find me everywhere at Tracy

54:34

Explains. I have

54:36

LinkedIn, Substacks, Dr. Tracy

54:39

Explains. I have Twitter,

54:41

threads, I am on Blue

54:43

Sky. I am in a bunch

54:45

of places. You can find

54:47

me on my website, tracieexplains.com. And

54:50

every Wednesday night you can find me on Sirius

54:52

XM on Tell Me Everything with John P. LaFang.

54:54

That's right. And tomorrow, tomorrow I'll be

54:56

on Fox 5 DC on

54:59

the 5, I think it's their late

55:02

night program. It's their like 1130 program. But

55:05

I'll be on Fox 5 DC where I

55:08

chat with Jim Lokey. And I do that often. So you

55:10

can always find me there. Oh, that's a good,

55:12

God, I grew up watching Channel 5. And

55:14

you're the DC area, right? So we're both

55:16

in the, what do they call it? I'm

55:19

in Los Angeles. Oh, you're in Los Angeles.

55:21

Okay, so you're doing like a remote thing

55:23

on Fox 5? Yeah, yeah. Wow, okay, cool.

55:25

I've been doing that for a while and it's great because

55:27

Jim's usually very tired by the time we get to it.

55:30

And I'm like full of energy, so we balance well.

55:33

Excellent, well, we'll see you in the green room tonight

55:35

on Tell Me Everything with John P. LaFang. You got

55:37

it. The virtual green room. Absolutely,

55:40

you got it. I'll buy you coffee. Yes, thank you

55:42

so much. I'll take something stiffer at that

55:44

hour. Sounds good. But anyway, thank

55:46

you so much for joining me today, Dr. Tracy, it was

55:48

great to finally meet up. Thank you and thank you for

55:51

having me. Take care, we'll see you next time. In

56:00

the middle is the feeling. It's

56:05

the feeling. I'm

56:08

here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

56:53

here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

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here. I'm

57:53

here. data

58:08

tissue.