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you know, one thing I'm never going to do

2:18

on the show is I'm never going to

2:20

be dishonest about how I'm feeling about our politics.

2:22

In other words, I can't pretend to be optimistic

2:24

when I'm not genuinely feeling optimistic. You know what

2:26

I mean? So today I

2:28

woke up feeling that old sense

2:31

of disillusionment with my fellow Americans.

2:33

The Lost Boys from the MAGA movement

2:35

aside, I feel like people are falling

2:38

into this trap of underestimating Donald Trump.

2:40

I'm not talking about you, of course.

2:42

I'm talking about regular people out there

2:44

who aren't getting the word about electing

2:46

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2:48

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at patreon.com/BobSescashow. Okay, this is me

3:18

and the great Tara Dublin. Oh

3:31

shit, how the hell are you?

3:33

Oh, isn't that always a loaded

3:35

question? I know, especially these days.

3:39

How are you holding up with the election

3:41

so far? I mean, I'm holding up the

3:43

best I can, I suppose, like everybody else.

3:46

It seems like Every

3:49

single day the garbage fire seems to

3:51

get slightly hotter. Yeah, I Mean, where

3:53

do we even begin? I Think we

3:55

should begin with him calling migrants animals

3:57

in Michigan and Maga B and. They

4:00

are mad at Newsmax for reporting on

4:02

him accurately and you know what terror

4:04

I get a sense bad. News.

4:06

Like that. Like would Donald Trump

4:08

said about immigrants yesterday? I'm wondering

4:10

if that's getting out to the

4:12

folks of that's getting out to

4:14

regular voters who aren't necessarily following

4:16

politics. Who I mean. politics. the

4:18

way we follow politics pushing. which

4:20

is why, Pumping and into our

4:23

veins intravenously and and so yeah,

4:25

spray absolutely basically absorb it all

4:27

by osmosis. Is this point out

4:29

way they just take it all

4:31

in. Yeah, I would hope a

4:33

story. Like this would hit the

4:35

mainstream media because it matters. And.

4:39

The more you can report accurately

4:41

and how terrible he is and

4:43

how much rubble he's in legally

4:46

do a better. And the normalization

4:48

of Trump that began in Twenty

4:51

Six Keen on Aids. It's almost

4:53

like people are trying to take

4:55

us back to that. You know

4:58

his first campaign because it's second

5:00

campaign was such a mass. The

5:02

Us is that they're trying to

5:05

pretend. He didn't run into. and twenty.

5:08

And. They're just using all

5:10

of the twenty six seen tropes.

5:12

Yeah, and. To me, it's It's

5:14

almost like they want to pretend. like. I

5:17

mean, they've always tried to pretend he isn't

5:19

what he is and they'd. The.

5:21

Always working really really are or what

5:24

he meant to say with this what

5:26

he means is this when he was

5:28

really talking about is this and if

5:30

he's gonna stand up in front of

5:33

a crowd and miss again and call

5:35

immigrants and migrants are animals and then

5:37

also claim but when he gets reelected

5:40

November fifth Election Day will also be

5:42

a Christian day of visibility. What. You're

5:46

not a Christian, you pile of

5:48

shit. You are Not a Christian.

5:50

First of all, I mean this. A

5:52

It's like how many calls are his

5:55

followers in several at the same

5:57

time? And it's I don't

5:59

have them. That are able to

6:01

multitask at all because usually they just

6:03

have a singular thing that they're angry

6:05

about. Ah, And then they,

6:07

because they can't multitask their outrage the

6:10

way we can do, they can only

6:12

be mad about one thing at a

6:14

time. So they're no longer mad about.

6:17

Ah, I don't l Lake and

6:19

Riley or are they moved on to

6:21

a dead police officer t to use

6:23

politically because Trump with upset that Joe

6:26

Biden raise twenty five million dollars

6:28

in a night and so it's always

6:30

something to distract from the blood. That.

6:33

Joe Biden is doing by an for

6:35

for amplifying that terrible that Trump is

6:37

doing. Yeah, but they're trying to normalize

6:40

is terrible to make it a good

6:42

thing and none of it is good.

6:44

Nope, Nope. Nope. Nothing he does is

6:46

good. Nothing he says is positive. nothing

6:49

he talks about is actually something that

6:51

the country should want. And

6:54

I mean. See.

6:56

What he is doing now

6:59

is trying to control a

7:01

narrative that he can't which

7:03

is. On the fifteenth

7:05

on tax day, ironically from someone who's

7:07

never paid his taxes or shown them

7:09

to Us. His

7:11

Hush Money Trial. is going to

7:14

start in new york and there's nothing

7:16

they can do about it to delay

7:18

it yeah yeah they can't control it

7:20

so that's money they always try to

7:22

distract with something even worse and of

7:24

course there's a big press component to

7:26

this where i don't think the political

7:29

process capable of covering donald trump and

7:31

his been the case for nine years

7:33

now and that's kind of crazy horse

7:35

or you know her i'm going for

7:37

this ongoing process where one day i'm

7:39

feeling okay about things in the next

7:42

day i see sobering of me off

7:44

like holy shit there are so many

7:46

american voters out there who are completely

7:48

out to launch we've got some sort

7:50

of crazy amnesia and i don't know

7:52

what's causing this because i see it

7:55

all over the place whether it's voters

7:57

or even up to someone like george

7:59

more sean who issued

8:01

a revised gag order against Trump

8:03

the other day, but it's already

8:05

too late for that. Why are

8:07

people still perpetually giving this guy

8:10

way more benefit of the doubt

8:12

than he deserves? I don't understand

8:14

that mindset that says, well let's

8:17

try that fucking disaster again. It's

8:20

beyond my comprehension, Tara, and I don't

8:22

know how to break through that. I

8:24

know, because you and I live here

8:26

on Earth One, where

8:30

we're capable of looking at reality

8:32

and going, well that's not okay.

8:34

Also that is not okay. They

8:36

want to pretend that they're living...

8:38

I mean they have created this

8:41

completely false narrative

8:44

around him and

8:46

normalized that. And I

8:49

personally am where you are, which is,

8:51

how does he get a bond reduced?

8:54

How does he make these payments at the

8:56

last possible second to save himself? How does

8:58

he get a used car salesman to put up

9:00

175 million dollars that

9:03

he'll never get back? You will

9:05

never get your money back. If you invest in

9:07

Donald Trump, you will not get any kind of

9:09

return on your investment and

9:11

you might end up going to prison for him. And

9:14

he won't care. He won't do anything to

9:16

help you, Peter Navarro. He's not

9:19

going to help anybody except himself.

9:21

He doesn't pay for anything with

9:23

his own money because he doesn't have anything. And

9:26

you can... I also

9:28

don't understand why anybody gives him

9:30

any leeway. The man was arrested

9:32

four times last year.

9:36

The normalization... There's an article that I tweeted

9:38

just a little bit ago from The Guardian

9:41

that Trump media

9:43

was saved by someone who's involved

9:46

in the Russian... who's owned by

9:48

Putin. He's a Russian guy,

9:50

helped bail out Trump media. And

9:53

then you get MAGA people going, you guys in your

9:55

Russia, Russia, Russia. He's fucking owned by

9:57

Putin. He has been owned by... Putin

10:00

since the late 80s. The fact that this

10:02

isn't talked about constantly is abnormal,

10:04

and now you get all of

10:07

these other people he's fully compromised

10:09

who can't let go of

10:12

this narrative because if they expose

10:14

the truth about him, the truth

10:16

about themselves gets exposed as

10:18

well. That's true, yeah. You know what,

10:20

in fact, Jim Comey was talking about

10:22

that. I think there's a lot of

10:24

MAGA people who are afraid to admit

10:27

that they were suckered and conned by

10:29

an obvious con man, and I think

10:31

that's what keeps them in line, right?

10:33

I think it's a combination of their

10:36

false bravado that they have to keep putting

10:38

up that smokescreen. Remember

10:40

back when the Russians

10:43

hacked into the DNC and RNC servers

10:45

and they only exposed what they learned

10:47

about the Democrats and they held on

10:49

to what they learned about the Republicans

10:51

who fully compromised the party. There

10:54

are people within the party who probably

10:56

have more to lose than others. You

10:58

know, your Lindsey Graham's, your

11:01

Matt Gates' your Marjorie Taylor Greene's who

11:03

have really terrible things on their records

11:05

that they don't want people to know

11:08

about. Are you gay, Lindsey? I'm

11:10

just so shocked. Shocked to

11:12

learn this. Do you live

11:14

in a house of nothing but closets

11:16

full of fainting couches? Color me

11:18

surprised. What could you possibly have, Lindsey

11:21

Graham, that is so terrible that

11:23

it's worth it to you to stay owned

11:25

by Donald Trump rather than just tell

11:28

the country, I'm a giant gay and

11:30

I have a boyfriend who's 22. I

11:32

don't care. As long as you haven't

11:34

murdered anyone or you haven't harmed a

11:36

child, what could you have done that

11:38

is so terrible that it's worth selling

11:40

out your country? Because I

11:42

don't know about you, Bob. I don't have any

11:44

secrets in my life that I mean, there are

11:46

things I don't want people to know about because

11:48

they don't paint the greatest picture. But if it

11:50

came down to we're going to tell everybody that

11:52

you have X this problem or you

11:56

can be paid millions of dollars and

11:59

commit treason. I'm

12:01

going with go ahead tell the whole world about

12:04

whatever's going on my life. Right, right, right. Tell

12:06

them I have $11 to my

12:08

name and you know, I have this whatever this

12:10

happened to me or this happened to me. I

12:12

don't have anything that is so terrible that I

12:15

would sell out my country to keep it a

12:17

secret. There's just nothing. There

12:19

isn't. And if

12:21

that's your choice and you choose

12:23

Trump over America, I don't want to fucking know

12:25

you. What I want to know is that you're

12:28

going to prison because

12:30

treason is really like how I

12:32

don't know how much lower you

12:34

get than selling out your country to

12:36

save your own skin. Right,

12:39

especially. I mean if you're Matt Gaetz,

12:42

then there are children involved. If you're

12:44

– or

12:46

if you're Speaker Jesus freak, Mike Johnson. All

12:50

of these people – Mike Johnson can

12:52

say that the people who were in the Capitol

12:54

on January 6, they were just walking around. They

12:57

were just walking around checking out the art

12:59

on the walls of the Capitol, including their

13:01

own shit. There

13:04

is a point where we have to make

13:06

sure that we are

13:08

louder than them and that the truth is

13:11

being heard. And the

13:13

issue – I think we've talked about this before

13:15

– that the normalization of Trump

13:17

that the MSM started back in 2016 still

13:19

exists. It's

13:23

unconscionable. You must be telling the truth

13:25

about him and louder as possible. But

13:28

again, when Twitter becomes this Elon Musk

13:30

echo chamber of people who use the word

13:32

woke and they don't know what it means,

13:34

and they're saying that there's

13:36

a woke mind virus and

13:38

there's a woke agenda. You

13:42

don't even fucking know what woke

13:44

means. You can't define what woke

13:46

means without sounding hella racist and

13:48

dumb because you're hella racist and

13:50

dumb. And all

13:53

of these tropes that they continue to push like

13:55

– look at what happened on Easter Sunday. Everybody

13:58

had their knickers in a toy. because

14:00

it coincided with the Trans

14:02

Day of Visibility, which has always

14:04

been March 31st, by the way.

14:06

Easter changes every year. Yeah, right, right.

14:09

But the collective narrative, it's like they

14:11

all see the same one take,

14:14

and then they all take that take

14:16

on as their own. So it

14:18

didn't matter how many different people let

14:20

them know that Trans Day of Visibility

14:22

has been on March 31st for the

14:25

last 15 years, but Easter

14:27

hops around. Next year Easter's going to be

14:29

on 4-20. Are they going to freak out

14:31

about it being the weed day and also

14:33

Hitler's birthday? Who knows? Who

14:36

knows what the outrage will be in a year? But

14:39

that they could not, or it's not that

14:41

they could not comprehend that two things

14:43

were happening on the same day, it's

14:45

that they found something that was big

14:47

and stupid to distract from something

14:49

Trump did that was big and stupid. And

14:52

that's what it is, right? Yeah, oh

14:54

yeah, yeah. Here's one of my

14:56

concerns about when Donald Trump does

14:58

something like, and the Republican movement,

15:00

the MAGA movement does something like

15:03

lying about the Trans Day of Visibility.

15:06

My concern, and it's not just

15:08

that as an example, but many,

15:11

many things that Donald Trump blurts

15:13

and it ends up metastasizing into

15:15

the political discourse. And

15:17

then regular people who may not

15:19

even necessarily support Donald Trump will

15:22

start to believe that nonsense. It's

15:25

one of the reasons why I still freak

15:27

out when Trump says something crazy. Like, oh

15:29

shit, I feel like I've got to run

15:31

around and tell normal people, like, don't pay

15:33

any attention to that. Stop. Don't listen to

15:36

what he just said. That's bullshit. He's making

15:38

shit up. He's lying. And of course there

15:40

was, and the other thing that

15:42

he said right before it about wanting to be

15:44

a dictator, you know, make sure you pay attention

15:46

to that part. You know, I feel like that's

15:48

when you and I, yeah, you and I, and

15:50

so many other people, Stephanie Miller, Hal Sparks

15:53

on down the list. I feel

15:55

like our job is to constantly

15:57

triage this shit so that it

15:59

doesn't see. into the minds of regular

16:01

voters. And I think that's kind of what

16:04

motivates me under the servers on top of

16:06

fact-checking this shit. I feel like I need

16:08

to go around to people and tap them

16:10

on the shoulder and explain to them what's

16:13

right, what's wrong, why this guy is

16:15

dangerous, why this guy is successful, and

16:18

so forth. Because I don't feel like

16:20

the press is doing its job along those

16:22

lines. They're doing a terrible job. No, they're

16:24

not. Yeah, putting things in a context and

16:26

yeah. Yeah, every so often one of them,

16:29

like the other day when Nicole Wallace

16:31

literally threw away her script and was

16:33

like, he is threatening the lives of

16:35

judges. It is time to report on

16:37

his criminality in the correct way. And

16:39

I'm like, it's time now,

16:42

Nicole. Now you waited until now

16:44

to broadcast this. So it's

16:46

the barn door and the giant horse. But

16:49

also he has always been employing

16:51

the Russian propaganda technique of, if

16:54

you repeat a lie enough times,

16:56

people will start to believe it. That's

16:59

how we got to where we are,

17:01

because enough people were willing to

17:03

believe his lies because the truth

17:05

is just so hard for them. And

17:08

it's amazing to me that

17:10

it's almost impressive how they'll

17:12

twist themselves into any conspiracy

17:14

pretzel to believe a lie about Joe Biden,

17:16

but they will not accept basic truths about

17:19

Donald Trump. Right. Exactly. Right.

17:22

Yeah. And they're like, how do you make them

17:24

believe it? And the thing is, apparently

17:27

none of them were taught

17:29

to accept loss with

17:32

grace in any way. I

17:34

mean, certainly Trump wasn't, but learning

17:37

to deal with disappointment is

17:39

a very difficult life lesson. And

17:41

we all are faced

17:44

with that at some point in our lives.

17:46

We didn't get something we wanted and it's

17:48

disappointing or this person let us down and

17:50

that's disappointing. And it's hard to

17:52

get over disappointment. And it is

17:54

embarrassing to say to somebody, you know, like maybe,

17:57

maybe you started dating someone and at first you thought he

17:59

was a great guy. and then it turned out he was

18:01

a cheating piece of shit. Oh

18:04

well, that's life. Right,

18:06

and the bigger person admits that the

18:08

problem is what it is, right? Correct.

18:11

And the weaker person denies it. And it makes

18:13

a mistake. And I

18:15

always use it, we have a few glaring

18:18

examples within the Democratic Party to

18:20

share with people. We were wrong

18:22

about John Edwards, and

18:25

I didn't turn into a pile of

18:27

dust when I said that. We were

18:29

wrong about Michael Avenatti. No lightning strike

18:32

just killed me. Look

18:34

at Bob Menendez, we're able to hold

18:36

him accountable. We're disappointed, we

18:38

don't like that. He now wants to

18:40

run, is it independent? Good luck to

18:42

you, you fucking criminal. So I'm able

18:44

to acknowledge when someone

18:47

I perhaps admired or

18:49

liked let me down. My

18:52

ex-husband, you know, just my father. We

18:54

can say, I can point and say, bad,

18:56

bad, bad, bad, bad. It doesn't make

18:58

me a bad person. It means

19:00

that I'm a good person who trusted someone

19:02

on their word because that's what I wanted

19:04

to do. And you gave me a

19:06

reason to trust you. Oh, you're a

19:09

cheating piece of grifting shit, Michael Avenatti.

19:11

You're just as bad as Trump. You're

19:13

treating Stormy Daniels just as bad as

19:15

other men have. I'm

19:18

very disappointed. But I won't

19:20

die because I'm disappointed. And

19:25

I don't know why certain MAGA people can't

19:27

accept truth but they have chosen

19:29

not to. And if they are

19:31

dug in this deep in their cult, they're

19:34

gonna stay there. Yeah, yeah. Because

19:36

it's at this point, for

19:39

years you've been grifted. Do

19:41

you have the shitty gold sneakers? Do

19:44

you have the shitty autographed Bible

19:46

with his dumb EKG scrawl

19:49

with its secular words from

19:53

the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence and

19:55

the lyrics to God bless the USA tucked

19:57

in sign? And the Bill of Rights, by

19:59

the way. way, Tara. He listed the

20:01

Constitution and the Bill of Rights

20:03

as separate documents, even though they're

20:05

the same. All of

20:07

these great Christians were spending their

20:10

Easter Sunday fighting about the Trans

20:12

Day of Visibility and justifying Donald

20:14

Trump autographing a Bible,

20:16

which I am the least

20:19

religious person you will ever meet. And

20:21

even I was like, that's blasphemy. That's

20:24

bad. I mean, that book didn't fall out

20:26

of the sky, which is why nobody should

20:28

autograph it because no one can claim to be

20:30

the author because it's a

20:32

piecemeal document that gets updated every few years

20:34

when people get mad about stuff like being

20:37

gay or abortion. Neither of those things are

20:39

in the Bible, to the

20:41

best of my knowledge. And also,

20:43

again, I'm not a Bible scholar,

20:45

but I'm not sure where it

20:48

says in the Bible that Jesus

20:50

hated transgender people or Jesus hated

20:52

anybody. So it's the

20:55

hypocrisy. Is there

20:57

default setting? And

21:00

I think that's always been

21:02

the case for the Republican Party where

21:04

it rules for me, but

21:06

not for thee. And it's shocking.

21:09

You have Tommy...

21:11

Yeah, it is. Tommy Tuber villain calling

21:13

us a Satanic cult. Democrats

21:16

are not a Satanic cult. No, no.

21:18

They're not a cult in any way. I

21:21

don't have a giant Biden flag wrapped around

21:23

my body at all times. Right. My

21:26

vehicle is not a constant

21:30

rule every two years. What's

21:32

supposed to happen after an election is

21:34

everybody moves on and lives instead

21:37

of crying about it for

21:39

four years and claiming Trump won in

21:41

2020. No, he fucking did not. And

21:44

your tweet today was great about were

21:46

you better off four years ago when

21:48

we had the highest death toll of

21:52

COVID deaths in one day four years ago

21:54

today? Yeah, yeah. That's the reality

21:56

that people forget. No, I wouldn't say you were

21:58

better off with refrigerated trucks. lined up outside

22:00

of hospitals because it's more his fault.

22:02

Yeah, yeah. What I think contributes

22:05

a lot to this, Tara, going back to

22:07

the issue of people not

22:09

wanting to admit that they fucked up, that

22:11

they made a mistake, that they supported the

22:13

wrong person or supported the wrong ideas or

22:15

just got something generally wrong, I

22:17

think that's the social media aspect

22:20

of our political discourse coming into

22:22

play here. Because social media is

22:24

so driven by personal branding and

22:26

wanting to save face. No

22:28

one on social media wants to admit when

22:30

they fucked up because when they do,

22:32

then there's this big troll pile on,

22:34

ha, ha, ha, you know, lots of

22:36

that ha, ha Simpsons gif in

22:39

the replies when someone admits that they

22:41

fucked something up. And so

22:43

no one wants to do that and consequently, that

22:45

means they cling to ridiculous

22:48

ideas, failing ideas, failing

22:50

candidates like Donald Trump, failing presidents

22:52

like Donald Trump. That's

22:55

the source of this and I don't know exactly

22:57

what to do about the fact

22:59

that social media is significantly

23:02

poisoning our political discourse. I hate to sound

23:04

like I'm 90 years old screaming about the kids

23:06

to get off my lawn. Well, yeah, it does

23:09

make it sound like our own grandparents. Yeah,

23:11

but don't you see? That is a problem

23:13

with how facts are disseminated,

23:15

how people just perpetually

23:17

circulate the wrong ideas because they're afraid

23:19

to say, oh, that was wrong. I

23:21

shouldn't have done that. You know what

23:23

I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and

23:25

I would also say, you know, those

23:28

of us in Gen X who lived

23:30

pre-internet because we're the

23:32

last generation. That's true.

23:34

That lived pre-internet and

23:37

we understand what normal human

23:39

discourse should sound alike and

23:42

look like. But anyone

23:44

who grew up with the internet cannot,

23:47

anyone who has always known a world

23:49

with social media cannot understand

23:51

what it was like before

23:54

this. And

23:56

while it was created to connect us, I

23:58

would say that social. Social media is

24:00

actually a blight on humanity that

24:03

has ruined human communication forever and

24:07

ever because the shitty way people

24:09

treat each other online has bled

24:12

into actual real life and

24:14

people think they can say and do

24:16

anything now without recourse because if you

24:18

say something, it's like the Taylor Swift

24:20

lyric. You say it on the street,

24:22

it's a knockout, but you say it

24:24

in a tweet, it's a cop out

24:26

of the house because anybody's braids when

24:28

you're a keyboard warrior, then safely in

24:31

your mom's basement, you're in a safe space. No

24:33

one's going to touch you. Behind

24:35

an anonymous handle. Right, of

24:37

course. You're hiding

24:40

behind a picture of whatever,

24:42

an anime or

24:44

a fake photo or

24:46

Donald Trump as Rambo because

24:49

they can't admit what he actually looks like.

24:52

God damn. And so between Elon

24:55

and his Disinfo campaign and

24:57

AI being the fucking

24:59

devil and the fact

25:02

that people can create deep fakes of

25:04

anything, you're not wrong in that how

25:06

do we get the truth out when

25:08

there is so much against

25:10

us. And for

25:13

me, it's an everyday struggle

25:15

and every day is like April Fool's

25:17

Day online because anything can be faked

25:21

and it's getting harder and harder to fact

25:23

check things. And so what

25:25

I would say is you and

25:27

I understand what a trusted media source is.

25:31

We can point to the Associated

25:34

Press or the Guardian or

25:36

the BBC or Reuters and

25:39

we almost lost confidence in

25:41

MSNBC when they were going

25:43

to hire Ronna Romney. Jesus

25:45

Christ. Right? It's all about

25:48

the show, isn't it? It's all about

25:50

the entertainment. Unreal. God damn.

25:52

Now I understand like if MSNBC

25:54

wants to bring on Republicans to

25:57

show us what the other But

26:03

you can't hire somebody who denied

26:06

the legitimate results of the 2020

26:08

election and still does. You cannot

26:10

hire someone who is named in

26:12

one of Donald Trump's criminal cases.

26:14

You can't hire Ronna Romney. She's

26:16

named in the Georgia Rico case.

26:18

She testified to the January 6

26:20

committee that she promised Trump she

26:22

would help him overturn the results

26:24

of the 2020 election. You

26:27

cannot hire that person. I

26:30

don't care who you are. You want Fox

26:32

can hire her. Newsmax can hire her. OAN

26:34

can hire her because they're all lying together.

26:37

But a legitimate news source? No. No,

26:40

no, no, no, no. And it was very

26:42

gratifying to me as a longtime MSNBC viewer,

26:45

and I don't love everybody on MSNBC. But

26:48

those that I do, those that I

26:50

trust, those who follow me back, my

26:53

expectations of them speaking out

26:55

were met. They all

26:58

did it. They all spoke up, and

27:00

they all made sure that it wasn't

27:02

going to happen. And then, of course, that

27:04

gives the right another thing to pretend

27:07

to be outraged about. So

27:10

you hate MSNBC. Why would you

27:12

want one of your people on

27:14

MSNBC? And by the

27:16

way, the RNC fired Romney before MSNBC

27:19

let her go. Yeah, that was the thing that

27:21

I couldn't get past, Tara, is the fact that

27:23

she just sucked at her job. I mean, that

27:25

was beyond the crimes, beyond the Trump thing. She

27:28

was just a terrible chairperson of the RNC. She's

27:30

lost all of these elections, all these important elections.

27:33

Of course. And when you set

27:35

up the RNC as Donald Trump's personal piggy

27:37

bank, which it is

27:40

now because his fucking daughter-in-law is

27:42

a co-chair. You

27:44

want to go nepo, baby? That's just – that's extreme.

27:46

They should have – nobody connected

27:48

to a candidate should be in a

27:51

position of power at the RNC at

27:53

all. And the fact that Laura –

27:55

I'm sorry, Florence Foster-Jerkens, she – I'm

28:00

very proud of that nickname by the way. That's nice. I like

28:02

that. You know, occasionally

28:04

I come up with ones that stick, and hopefully

28:06

that one will. Go back

28:09

to your box of wine you don't belong.

28:12

When you say, and then we're learning that

28:14

any donation to the RNC is going

28:16

to go to Trump's campaign before it goes to

28:18

any other Republican candidate. That's

28:20

the other thing. Why are you okay with

28:23

being grifted? Your money is not being well

28:25

spent. The money that

28:27

you send to Donald Trump, MAGA

28:29

people, every penny is going towards his

28:31

legal fees. And there was a stat

28:33

released I think the day before yesterday.

28:36

He's spent now $100 million just

28:39

on his legal fees, which amounts to

28:41

$90,000 a day. None

28:44

of it is his money. 100% of

28:47

it is from grifted campaign funds, from the

28:49

sneakers and the Trump bucks and the Trump

28:52

Bible and the Trump whatever he's selling you.

28:55

Whatever his latest grift is, whatever money

28:57

you continue to give him is going

28:59

directly to pay his lawyers who will

29:02

never keep him out of court. He

29:04

will be in court for the rest of his miserable life.

29:07

He's got a calendar longer than one of his dumb

29:09

red ties. And he is facing

29:12

his first criminal trial, which he

29:14

is going to lose. He

29:16

did that. He misappropriated campaign

29:18

funds to pay Stormy Daniels to

29:20

stay quiet in 2016. He

29:24

did that. Michael Cohen is going to

29:26

testify. Stormy is going to testify. Hope

29:28

Hicks is going to testify. So

29:31

you can threaten a judge, and you can threaten

29:33

the judge's daughter. It doesn't make Donald Trump any

29:35

less guilty. And when he

29:37

loses this one, because it's

29:39

a criminal trial, and he's

29:42

convicted in a criminal case,

29:44

he will not be on the campaign trail

29:46

anymore after that. Yeah, beyond

29:48

that, Tara, even beyond the conviction

29:50

and the stigma that goes along

29:52

with that, the deserving stigma. The

29:55

thing is, with that case and

29:58

the previous judge and Goron, case,

30:00

the civil fraud case. And

30:03

then myriad other examples like growth

30:05

central collapsing right now and just

30:07

utterly losing tens of millions of

30:10

dollars a year. That

30:12

by itself is a

30:14

strong indication that we should never

30:16

let this guy be the steward

30:18

of our economy. And yet there

30:20

are still countless millions of people

30:23

out there who are telling pollsters

30:25

and otherwise that Donald Trump would

30:27

be better for the economy than

30:29

Joe Biden. This is the

30:31

massive disconnect that I'm talking about

30:33

between what's actually happening and what

30:36

people believe is happening. And

30:38

I can only imagine that's fueled by what

30:40

we've been talking about, which is social media

30:43

and the inability of people to recognize

30:45

when they're wrong, recognize when something

30:48

is contrary to their beliefs. And

30:51

this is another one of those situations. I just I

30:53

can't believe that anyone would go, yeah, you know what?

30:55

Let's have that guy back again. The guy who presided

30:58

over a manufacturing recession and a deep economy wide recession

31:01

had a net loss of three million jobs. Let's

31:03

get rid of the guy who created record jobs,

31:05

15 million jobs so far

31:07

and counting and get the guy back who

31:09

is going to do nothing but act as

31:11

a klepto crap, klepto crap as the case

31:14

may be. But in a

31:16

lifetime dictator. Yeah, pillaging the national treasury

31:18

for his own wealth. I mean, is

31:20

essentially what we're going to see if

31:22

Donald Trump becomes president again. We have

31:24

a multi symptom disease

31:26

when it comes to Trump. Yeah.

31:30

And every accusation is a confession. So

31:32

when we tweet about him and they

31:34

say that we have the Trump derangement

31:36

syndrome. No, we don't because we see

31:38

him as he is. We're not the

31:40

one sharing memes where he had to find abs

31:43

and has an eagle on his shoulder, you

31:45

know, and he's walking with Jesus and has

31:47

five feet and eleven fingers. You know, or

31:49

whatever the crazy is that they share. They

31:55

have made this choice to be

31:57

willfully obtuse. They have decided it's

31:59

fine. to be lied to because it is

32:01

better than it, like we've been saying, better than

32:04

admitting they were wrong about

32:06

him. So it's

32:08

really for us, we

32:11

have to continue to insist that

32:14

the truth be blown up.

32:16

And I think that's why you're seeing

32:18

from the Biden-Harris campaign and Biden HQ

32:20

and Joe Biden himself, they

32:22

are taking his words and

32:24

they are putting the truth on top of them

32:27

and putting that out on social media. Because there

32:29

was a period where Joe Biden wouldn't say his

32:31

name, wouldn't really even talk about

32:33

him, called the former guy

32:35

or my predecessor. But now,

32:38

now he's like, you know, and I think

32:41

we really saw that being put into practice

32:43

when Donald Trump was super excited about winning

32:45

the big trophies at his own golf club.

32:47

He's like, I won both trophies. And,

32:49

and Joe Biden quote tweeted and he's

32:52

like, well, you know, good for you,

32:54

Donald, you know, like putting him down

32:56

and every single day, what they're doing

32:58

now is they're taking his lies and

33:01

they're addressing them directly on

33:03

all social media platforms, not just Twitter.

33:05

I see it on Instagram. I see

33:07

it on TikTok. I see it on

33:10

Facebook, where they

33:12

take one of his all caps

33:14

rage, sharks from Truth Social. And

33:16

they're like, well, you know, this is actually what's happening.

33:19

And by the way, Truth Social at this

33:21

time, aside from the fact that it's losing

33:23

money, because it was always a SPAC scheme.

33:26

Of course. And now it's a news. Shocking

33:28

that Trump's business would lose money, right? Right.

33:31

They don't even have half a million

33:34

regular users on Truth Social,

33:36

not even half a million.

33:38

And if you compare user

33:41

numbers from Truth

33:43

Social to any legitimate

33:45

mainstream social media, they're

33:48

being blown away. So they

33:50

are literally their own echo chamber.

33:53

So and also remind yourself

33:56

repeatedly as many users that are

33:58

on Twitter, the bulk. …

34:00

of the American population is not

34:02

on Twitter. They're not. And

34:05

so the messaging that we see is

34:07

different. Like my mom is not on Twitter,

34:10

and she does pay attention to politics not

34:12

like we do. But she

34:14

pays enough attention to know that he's

34:16

a crazy person. It's abnormal.

34:18

She's a lifelong Democrat. My

34:21

stepfather voted for Trump twice.

34:25

Doesn't like him, can't stand him,

34:27

not a fan of his policies,

34:29

thinks he's a huge disappointment, but

34:31

he's the Republican nominee. My

34:33

stepfather refuses to vote for Democrats,

34:36

just refuses, flat-out refuses. Now they live in

34:38

New York City. So the last

34:40

time, and I never tell people to not vote, I

34:43

begged my stepfather to not vote. I'm like, you're not

34:45

going to win. I

34:47

can't vote for a Democrat. And I was like,

34:49

don't fucking vote because what you're voting for –

34:51

and here's the other thing. If

34:53

there is any other truth about

34:56

Donald Trump and the Republican Party that we can

34:58

try to get through to the MAGA cult, you

35:00

don't want to believe he's a criminal and a

35:02

rapist, and he did all of these – that

35:04

he actually did. You want to live with your

35:06

head in the sand like that. Enjoy.

35:10

Go ahead. Whatever. They

35:12

want to take away your social security. You

35:15

have been working your entire life, and

35:17

you have been paying into social security. That is

35:20

your money. That is your retirement.

35:22

That is how you're going to end your

35:24

life with that money. But you want to

35:26

give it to the Republicans and Donald Trump.

35:28

Why would you do that? Why

35:31

would you give them all? What kind of cult is

35:33

this that you actually,

35:36

to your own detriment, give

35:38

away your livelihood to someone who

35:41

wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire,

35:43

who hasn't helped anybody who went to

35:46

prison for him? How do you not see that?

35:49

That's one of the many disillusioning things

35:51

that are rattling through my head right

35:53

now, Tara, because I think

35:55

about this often, that I know

35:57

people, family members, who voted

35:59

for Donald Trump. Trump twice and who will vote

36:01

for him again, in spite of

36:03

the fact, and maybe they don't understand this, maybe they don't

36:05

know, but in spite of

36:07

the fact that there is

36:10

a timeline with Donald Trump being president

36:12

in which people like you and me

36:14

get arrested for being dissidents,

36:16

for speaking out against Donald Trump

36:18

on our various platforms. And

36:21

I wonder if those people understand that their

36:23

own family members could potentially

36:25

be disappeared in the context

36:28

of a second Trump presidency.

36:31

It's a very realistic thing because he

36:33

doesn't have to worry about reelection. He doesn't have

36:35

to worry about the political appearance of what he's

36:37

doing. He can do whatever the fuck he

36:39

wants and there's no ramifications because he doesn't

36:42

have to run again either constitutionally or extra

36:44

constitutionally. He's either term limited out or he

36:46

stays in office forever. So he

36:48

doesn't have to- That's unacceptable. Yeah, he's not going to have

36:50

to worry about that. They want to do away with the

36:52

22nd Amendment. And they also

36:55

want to rename Dulles Airport after

36:57

him. Right. Which- What?

37:00

The guy who could keep his own airline going. You

37:02

want to name it. Airport. Yeah,

37:04

or Trump Stakes or the Trump

37:06

Foundation or- Right, and all

37:08

the Trump water and you can buy the Trump

37:11

sneakers at the Trump Airport gift shop. Yeah.

37:14

No. I mean, if you

37:16

look at history, John Foster Dulles, not a

37:18

great guy. No. Not a good

37:20

person to be naming an airport. So if you're going to rename the airport,

37:22

why don't you name it after, I don't know, a Democrat. I

37:24

don't know. Someone who didn't do

37:26

something terrible. Name it after an astronaut. There's

37:28

a, the Air and Space Museum out there.

37:30

There can't go. Yeah, why not name it

37:32

after an heroic astronaut? Sally Ride Airport. How

37:34

about that shit? That sounds good to me.

37:36

I like that. I just came up

37:38

with that. I think that's- Are there any

37:41

airports named for historic women? God,

37:44

that's a really good question. I don't think

37:46

so. I mean, you could name one after

37:48

Amelia Earhart. Yeah. You could name one after

37:51

Krista McAuliffe. You could, you know, why not? Krista

37:54

McAuliffe would be great too. The crazy

37:56

thing about that is it would be

37:58

a supreme troll against- the MAGA movement

38:01

and I'll tell you why because they're

38:03

actively right now in the context of

38:05

this whole DEI thing. There

38:07

actually there's a whole campaign out

38:09

there among people like Michael Knowles

38:11

and Matt Walsh and those types

38:14

about women pilots. Oh

38:16

yeah I know Candace Owens was screaming about this too. Would

38:19

you get on an airplane with a woman pilot?

38:23

What the fuck is this all of a sudden? Women

38:27

are better at everything because we

38:29

are natural multitaskers and we

38:31

can handle more than one thing at a time

38:33

because we have to. Look at any mother you

38:36

know. She has a baby on

38:38

her hips, she's cooking dinner, she's on the phone

38:40

and she's cleaning the floor. I mean

38:42

she's doing all of these things at once and

38:44

she's running the household and nobody knows where everything

38:47

in the house is but the mother does. We

38:50

know where everything is, we know how everything works

38:52

and if I could go back to the dawn

38:54

of time women would have been in charge, black

38:56

women especially, in charge of everything from the beginning

38:58

and we would have a completely different system. So

39:02

it's incredible to me

39:04

that again going back to any conspiracy

39:08

pretzel to avoid the truth

39:10

and this movement to willfully

39:12

lie to everybody

39:15

about how terrible your candidate is I mean

39:17

come on. And then the

39:19

other thing is for all of the other

39:21

things that are going – Donald Trump first of

39:23

all you're not getting rid of the 22nd Amendment

39:25

and you're not installing a dictator for life. This

39:27

is the United States of America. We are not

39:30

a dictatorship. We are a democracy. Do you want

39:32

to call us a constitutional republic because you're a

39:34

fucking asshole? Go right ahead. But

39:36

we are based on a system

39:38

of the people elect our president.

39:40

You don't install someone and also

39:43

Donald Trump cannot serve

39:45

more than one term just legally.

39:48

He can't, right? Or could you even back

39:50

somebody who can't be in office for eight

39:52

consecutive years? I don't think they care about that though

39:54

Tara. I think it's for them it's a game of

39:56

musical care. Yeah

39:59

like our friend used to say it's

40:01

a game of musical chairs and the last

40:03

one sitting in that chair, they believe it

40:05

should be a Republican because that Republican will

40:07

then not leave that chair. They

40:10

want to barge their way through the

40:12

door and then barricade the door behind

40:14

them and not let anyone else in.

40:16

And they see Donald Trump as the

40:18

most likely. Well that sounds like they

40:20

want to go live in Russia and

40:22

live under Putin. Right, well that's basically

40:24

what you're getting right now with the

40:26

Republican Party. I remember Pat Buchanan, what

40:28

15 years ago, just salivating over Vladimir

40:30

Putin back when George W Bush called him

40:32

poodie-poot. How does this

40:35

make sense in the world? How does

40:37

it make sense in an

40:39

American democracy for anyone

40:41

to speak of

40:43

dictatorship with excitement?

40:45

Yeah. With, that's our end

40:47

game, our goal, our ultimate

40:49

goal is to turn the

40:52

United States of America into

40:54

Russia adjacent. No thank you, I don't

40:56

want to be annexed by Putin. No

40:59

thank you, uh-uh, you want to secede

41:01

and be Russia? Why don't

41:03

you all get on Trump Force One and fly

41:05

to Moscow together and just fucking stay there?

41:07

Yeah. I mean apparently Tucker Carlson

41:09

would like to do that. He would like

41:11

a little pied-a-terre close

41:14

to Putin so they can hang out together whenever

41:16

they want and you know, to

41:19

me it's disgusting. If you don't love America, leave.

41:21

Yeah. You know when people say that to us?

41:24

We're the ones who love America. We're the ones

41:26

who are fighting for our democracy, not you. I

41:29

don't see you fighting for anything except

41:31

a dictatorship and that's unacceptable. Mm-hmm. Yeah

41:34

and in fact the ground has been softened

41:36

for that for many many years going back

41:38

far earlier than Donald Trump. I mean speaking

41:40

of George W Bush, I remember distinctly him

41:42

saying maybe America

41:44

would be better off with a dictatorship just so

41:46

long as I'm the dictator. I mean

41:48

that was something that- No, the answer to that

41:50

is a resounding and especially when I

41:52

know for a fact that George W

41:54

Bush never even wanted to be president, he

41:57

wanted to be commissioner of major league baseball.

41:59

That's right. I wish

42:01

he had been. Yeah, let him

42:03

do that. And I know this for a fact

42:05

because back in the 90s when I lived in

42:07

New York City I worked for George W Bush's

42:10

best friend and former roommate from Yale. Wow. And

42:13

he would tell stories every year at the

42:15

Christmas parties about the Bush family. And

42:18

he would donate money to

42:20

a Bush campaign and then turn around and

42:22

donate to the Democratic opponent. So

42:24

the last year that I worked for

42:26

him, and people can look this up, they

42:29

used to call on the Texas Rangers together. His

42:31

name is Roland Betts. V-E-T-T-S. You can Google him

42:33

and find out who he is. But they were

42:36

roommates at Yale. And the last year that I

42:38

worked for him he told us how, and

42:40

that was 1997, he

42:42

went up to Kennebunkport for

42:44

their usual holiday gathering. And

42:47

at that dinner George W.

42:49

Bush the elder, H.W. Bush

42:51

the elder, before

42:53

dessert announced at the table,

42:55

Well, Jebbie, I think we're going to run

42:57

Georgia in 2000. Oh, fuck. And Jeb

42:59

said, But Daddy, you said it's my turn.

43:02

And George said, But Daddy, I told you

43:04

I don't want to be president. I want

43:06

to be commissioner of baseball. And

43:08

when I heard that it was like ice water

43:11

began running through my veins. Oh, God. Because when

43:14

it wasn't bad enough that

43:16

what they did to with the hanging chads

43:19

and all of Jebbie's Florida friends in 2000. Oh,

43:22

fuck. And Jeb said, But Daddy, you said it's

43:24

my turn. And George said, But

43:27

Daddy, I told you I don't want to

43:29

be president. I want to be commissioner of

43:31

baseball. And when I

43:33

heard that it was like ice water

43:35

began running through my veins. Oh, God.

43:37

Because when it wasn't bad

43:39

enough that what they did to

43:41

with the hanging chads and

43:43

all of Jebbie's Florida friends helping George

43:45

win in 2000. I

43:48

think about so much what our country and our

43:50

planet would look like if Al Gore was actually

43:52

allowed to serve in 2000 as he was rightfully

43:54

elected to do because of

43:56

the meaningful climate change legislation he

43:58

would have enacted. and everything else,

44:00

but that he won re-election in 2004

44:02

because of all of his daddy's friends

44:05

being installed into the

44:07

government along with him. It

44:09

makes my flesh crawl because I knew

44:11

he didn't want to be president, and

44:13

he proved it with how

44:16

shitty he was and how much he didn't

44:18

care and how ineffective. Even after 9-11, when

44:20

he was like, we're going to make everyone

44:22

hear us, what did you do? You

44:25

went and started a bullshit war. Republicans

44:29

are always the problem. They only

44:31

whine. They never have solutions. All

44:34

they do is complain, and they

44:36

have nothing in place. They

44:38

say they want to do away with Obamacare, but

44:40

they don't have anything to replace it. They want

44:43

to do away with Social Security, but they have

44:45

nothing in place to replace it. They have no

44:47

solutions, only whining and

44:49

complaining like children. It's

44:52

the weakness and the spinelessness in

44:54

how anyone can look at their

44:57

Republican candidates with any sense of

45:00

pride and

45:02

say, that's my guy. And

45:04

I think as

45:07

we continue – what I

45:09

am hoping is he'll

45:12

be convicted in the Stormy Daniels case

45:15

because he will be. The facts are not

45:17

on his side. The truth is

45:19

not on his side. The

45:21

truth is on Stormy's side, and

45:24

he'll lose, and he can try. Are you trying

45:27

to appeal a criminal conviction?

45:29

Good luck. Good

45:31

luck with that. Okay, we've got to take a break.

45:33

Back with more Tara Dublin right after these words. of

46:00

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46:02

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46:04

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46:07

Randy Rose and here's what you missed. Florida's

46:09

in play everybody. Florida's in play. Oh yeah.

46:11

Oh yeah baby. We were a swing state

46:13

when it first moved here, then it swung

46:15

the other way. And now it's time for

46:17

it to swing back. And the thing that's

46:19

going to do it is this issue. And

46:22

the Supreme Court of the United States

46:24

of America actually said, okay here's what

46:26

we're going to do about Roe v.

46:28

Wade. And it's what they

46:30

do on everything that's difficult. Everything that's

46:32

constitutionally protected. That they don't want to

46:34

touch but they want a result. That

46:36

mimics what they think about that issue

46:38

but they have no legal ability to

46:40

do that. So some of you are

46:42

ahead of me. You know what they

46:44

do. They send it to the state.

46:47

That way the red states will at

46:49

least have the result that they so

46:51

desired. Even if it means that half

46:53

of the population of that red state

46:55

die in parking lots waiting for medical

46:57

help. They don't have time to listen

46:59

to the live show. Want to hear

47:01

more on your schedule? Go to randyrhodes.com

47:03

and buy a sink and pack. You

47:14

know there's one element to that that

47:16

I hope gets discussed in the context

47:19

of this trial, which is the fact

47:21

that Donald Trump wrote checks to Michael

47:23

Cohen to reimburse him for

47:25

the Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal hush

47:27

money payments. He wrote those

47:29

checks to Michael Cohen in the White

47:31

House. I mean

47:33

that's a distinction that in normal

47:35

times, 10 years ago, 15 years

47:38

ago, may have doomed a

47:40

president. That they were standing in

47:42

the White House writing checks to

47:45

reimburse payments to a porn star

47:47

after having sex with that porn

47:49

star while the guy's wife was

47:51

pregnant and postpartum.

47:54

Yeah, these things don't matter.

47:57

None of it matters. None of it matters to

47:59

his base. Oh, God. And

48:02

it's disgusting. The hypocrisy, the

48:04

hypocrisy because and and

48:07

that's the thing is you can ask them

48:09

a direct question and they will move the

48:11

goalposts as far away as they possibly can

48:13

with their white about ism and Hunter Biden

48:15

and his fucking laptop and all of that

48:17

bullshit when we have Trump dead to rights

48:20

committing felonies. And I mean,

48:23

and then you also look back at

48:25

the way Democrats have held our own

48:27

accountable. Gary Hart. Yeah, remember

48:29

Gary Hart. Yeah, I mean, Al

48:31

Franken, for God's sake, Al Franken

48:33

didn't even really do anything. Gary

48:35

Hart had an affair and that

48:37

ended his political, his presidential campaign.

48:39

Howard Dean went and he's

48:42

gone. That's all it took.

48:46

That was all it took to knock Howard

48:48

Dean out of the race. You're you've got

48:50

my favorite Howard Dean impression ever. That was

48:53

just perfect. That's all he did.

48:55

That's exactly what happened. Yeah, exactly. It

48:58

didn't matter. It didn't matter what

49:00

else he had going on. It didn't

49:02

matter. It says that's the kind of shit

49:04

that I feel like going back to what

49:06

I was saying before Tara, that's the kind

49:08

of shit that I feel like I have to

49:10

constantly triage, like just run around and scream at

49:12

people. No, wait, that Howard Dean y'all he

49:14

did. That's unimportant. What's important here is that

49:16

Donald Trump presided over 400,000 COVID deaths in

49:18

his final year in

49:21

office due directly to his incompetent

49:23

response to the crisis. I

49:25

feel like yeah, yeah, I mean, it shouldn't

49:28

be the case. We shouldn't have to do this.

49:30

Yeah, right. But I mean,

49:33

the right people in more people died of

49:35

COVID in red states than blue states because

49:37

of Donald Trump saying just inject some bleach,

49:39

take a light bubble up your ass, it'll

49:41

disappear like magic. And then behind the

49:44

scenes he's telling Bob Woodward, oh, this

49:46

is bad. It's in the air. It's going

49:48

to kill people. And then Bob Woodward sat

49:50

on that for months until his publishing date,

49:52

which is all unconscionable to me. So

49:55

the abnormal fee and

49:57

it's the slow boil, right? It's the frog

49:59

in the pot. with a slow boil and

50:01

that's how it started in 2015. The descent

50:03

from the gold escalator, that

50:06

was when the boil began and

50:09

they've been keeping it at a constant

50:11

temperature ever since. So that's what people

50:13

have become inured to and they've become

50:15

used to it and it's almost like they

50:18

roll their eyes when there's a new thing

50:20

about Trump like, oh of course he's getting away with this. Oh

50:22

of course at the last minute someone gave him $175 million. Oh

50:26

of course he went to a policeman's funeral and

50:28

made it all about him. Of course he did

50:30

this. Of course he did that and

50:32

I think people have just become like, so it's

50:35

just like, oh I have a bad, my kids

50:37

just bad. Of course my kids in

50:39

the principal's office again. They don't

50:41

do anything about it. Again,

50:44

there's no solution. I have

50:46

no great hope that

50:48

the entire

50:52

cult will wake up but they were,

50:54

you know, just today his

50:57

cult is mad at Newsmax for

50:59

accurately reporting on what he said

51:03

about migrants. He called migrants animals at

51:05

a speech in Michigan and

51:08

they're mad about Newsmax reporting on

51:11

him accurately. When you're dealing with

51:13

that kind of mentality, when it's

51:15

here are the facts, here are the

51:18

stats, this isn't your quote-unquote woke

51:20

math. This is real. This

51:22

is what he did. This is what he

51:24

owes. This is what he doesn't have.

51:26

This is what he stands accused of because

51:29

he did this. You know,

51:31

no one made him call up

51:33

Brad Raffensperger to get him to

51:35

commit election fraud. No one

51:37

made him do any, no one made him

51:39

steal documents from the White House and then

51:41

try to sell them to our

51:44

foreign adversaries. No one made him do

51:46

any of this. He did this on

51:48

his own. So why can't

51:51

you hold him accountable for what he did? You

51:54

can be upset that he's being punished for it, but why

51:56

can't you hold him accountable? He said these things there. He

51:58

is on tape saying them. You can't

52:00

use it to acknowledge that. That's

52:02

what's infuriating to me. If I

52:04

hear someone saying something and it's the real thing, I'm

52:06

like, okay, they said that. I'm watching this. I'm hearing

52:09

it. I'm experiencing this

52:11

in real time. This is the real thing.

52:13

My fellow other human beings are seeing

52:15

this and they're absorbing it, and they're going, that's

52:17

not okay to do. You cannot. You

52:19

can't do that. But Magh is

52:21

like, he's God. He's Jesus. He's going

52:24

to save us all. Really. He didn't

52:26

do shit for you. What

52:28

has he done for you? And also, by the way, none of

52:30

them say that he didn't do these things. They

52:32

just say it's okay that he did these

52:34

things because he was occupying the White House

52:36

for four years. He was

52:39

illegitimately squatting in our White House for

52:41

four years. That doesn't mean he gets

52:43

away with things. But I don't

52:45

know that that even matters to the supporters,

52:48

the MAGA people. Because I

52:50

think the whole Trump thing is

52:52

actually not as much a political movement

52:54

as much as it is a

52:57

lifestyle brand. I think

52:59

they wrap themselves around the brand

53:02

of Donald Trump like it's their

53:04

favorite band or their favorite TV

53:06

streaming show or Marvel or DC

53:08

or Star Wars. You're not twisty.

53:10

Yeah, it's like they're all part

53:12

of a fandom rather than a

53:15

political movement. So consequently, it doesn't matter

53:17

what – And that would be fine if they weren't

53:19

fans of a dictator. Yeah, that's

53:21

absolutely true. Well, again, and it just

53:23

goes back to they can't admit they were wrong, which is sad

53:26

because they're eventually going to have to. And

53:29

I mean they may never. He may

53:32

end up being some

53:34

sort of like eternal martyr for

53:36

this small subset of our

53:39

population. But that won't be

53:41

true for everyone. And again,

53:45

there is that part of me that

53:48

hopes – and this is

53:50

the question I've started asking MAGA

53:52

people who told me. I'm like, what are you going to

53:54

do when he's convicted in this

53:56

Stormy Daniels Hush Money trial because he

53:58

will? He's

54:01

got more ahead of him to lose. What are

54:03

you going to do when

54:05

he is convicted in a criminal trial?

54:09

And they can't answer me because

54:12

they know it's coming. He knows it's coming. So

54:17

what our responsibility, you and I

54:19

and Hal and Stephanie and those

54:21

– and John Fuels saying those

54:23

of us who have a platform,

54:27

it's to try to get more

54:29

of us to be heard in

54:32

a bigger venue. So I

54:34

would say that as we continue through

54:36

this, we should be – I would

54:41

love for MSNBC to partner somehow

54:43

with Sexy Liberal and that all

54:45

of us get to go on in

54:47

a rotation so that people know where we

54:49

are, can find us,

54:51

can trust us. Because regardless of what

54:54

the truth is, it will

54:56

always matter to me. And I don't care if

54:58

it's truth about a Democrat or truth about a

55:00

Republican. If you're upset

55:02

about the way Joe Biden is handling the

55:04

crisis in the Middle East, you have every

55:07

right to put voice to that. But you

55:09

also – misplacing your anger and your aggression

55:12

isn't helpful. So

55:14

I would really – and

55:16

we're starting to get more unifying messages.

55:18

The whole point is to be louder

55:21

than what the opposition is doing because

55:23

they're trying to silence the good stuff

55:25

about Joe Biden with these

55:27

outrageous things about Donald Trump. But

55:30

when you cut through all

55:32

of that and you're able to look

55:34

at just basic facts, and

55:36

you have to use reputable sources,

55:39

so there will

55:41

be that segment of the cult who are like, oh,

55:43

fake news. Well, actually it's not. These

55:45

are just statistics you don't like. You

55:47

don't like that they're real. And

55:50

so it's to reiterate this is the truth.

55:53

These are the facts. This is what was

55:55

said. Here it is. This hasn't been doctored.

55:57

We're not trying to get one over on

55:59

you. actually we're trying to help you

56:01

live here on Earth One like

56:03

you used to in 2012.

56:06

I always go back to the 2012 election

56:08

Bob because I don't know about you but

56:11

I was on social media in 2012 and

56:13

at no time did a Mitt Romney supporter

56:15

threaten anyone's life. That's true

56:17

I was hacked by a Mitt Romney supporter though.

56:20

That's yeah they they

56:23

hacked somehow into a political war. Is

56:26

that in the book of Mormon? Yeah it said

56:28

like the hacker put up a splash page on

56:30

my website that said team Romney and that it

56:33

had a picture of God Charles

56:37

Charles Manson. What

56:40

the fuck can you imagine waking up and looking at your

56:42

website and that's what you see? Romney

56:46

would have been like oh let me take

56:49

that down for you Bob. That's not okay.

56:51

Romney wouldn't want to be associated with Hitler

56:53

or Charles Manson. No of course not. I

56:55

mean Mitt Romney did a lot of

56:57

dog whistling. I mean there was that he was

57:00

I think photographed in front of a banner that

57:02

said Barack Obama isn't working which is sort of

57:04

a anti-black stereotype.

57:06

I mean but it's

57:10

when you look it's almost like an innocent time

57:12

a campaign where oh no

57:15

Barack Obama wore a tan suit. Oh

57:17

no he gave everybody health care. What?

57:19

I'm in that mode now where I

57:21

see a TV show that was set

57:23

before 2015 2016. I'm like how

57:27

quaint how nice that must

57:29

be. It's almost painful. It's

57:31

almost like hurtful. I know

57:34

how innocent how and I'll

57:36

tell you something else. I you know I

57:39

see like my Facebook memories and I

57:41

see stuff from like 2010 and how

57:43

how we just took Barack Obama's

57:45

normalcy and competence for granted. Yeah

57:48

and we didn't we

57:50

didn't exalt it the way we should have

57:52

and we really we were

57:54

because we had no we didn't have to

57:56

live at threat level midnight every single day. He didn't

57:58

give us a reason to work. Yeah,

58:00

in those good old days before democracy was

58:02

a cliffhanger, you know. Exactly,

58:05

before they turned it into, you know,

58:07

this saga. But I

58:09

mean the creation of – when

58:11

Donald Trump flung his loaded diaper

58:13

all over our political norms, what

58:16

– it started as, here's this

58:18

joke candidate, isn't he entertaining? And

58:21

then all of a sudden real

58:23

candidates were dropping out. And

58:25

I was like, hey, wait a minute. That's not

58:27

okay. It's not okay. And then the media

58:29

was like, oh, isn't he amusing? Oh, he said

58:31

this outrageous thing. Oh, look at our ratings going up.

58:35

So what they found out

58:37

was Donald Trump was the kind of cash cow

58:39

that they could keep milking even though the – what

58:41

was coming out of him was completely toxic. I have

58:43

a theory about that, Tara. I want to see what

58:45

you think about that. I know you're super busy today,

58:47

so I want to let you go after this. I'm

58:49

not actually. Oh, okay. I always have

58:51

time for you, Bob. Okay. Well, I've talked about

58:53

this a couple of times on the show before,

58:56

but it's worth repeating in this context, which is

58:58

that I think one of

59:00

the reasons that people began to embrace

59:02

Donald Trump as a villain is

59:05

because we've got now 20-plus

59:07

years of pop culture

59:09

in which the most interesting people

59:12

on reality television are always the

59:14

assholes, the villains, the people. We

59:16

end up rooting for the

59:18

jerks on these shows. Let's have

59:20

some empathy for the bad guys

59:22

because maybe they're not so bad.

59:25

Maybe they've just had bad childhoods.

59:27

Maybe they had substance abuse issues

59:29

or whatever the thing might be

59:31

that's made them villains. And I

59:33

think over time, and again, we're

59:35

talking about at least a couple

59:37

of decades of that. I think

59:40

Survivor, that show started in 1999, 2000. So that was the

59:42

first big one in the real world before it. But

59:47

I think that may have contributed to

59:49

this. Well, I mean, you know,

59:51

Donald Trump, he's kind of cool. He's kind

59:53

of fun to watch. I

59:56

think that was one of the things that propelled him to

59:58

the White House in the first place. entertaining.

1:00:00

Let's watch him do this. How bad could

1:00:02

it possibly be? And

1:00:04

of course we saw it. Yeah, and

1:00:06

if you think about it, there is

1:00:09

a certain trope that audiences

1:00:11

will stay with for a little while,

1:00:13

but then they lose interest. So like

1:00:16

in my own book, The Sound of

1:00:18

Settling, a Rock and Roll Love Story

1:00:20

available now on rockandrollovestory.com, people,

1:00:22

when you're telling a love story,

1:00:25

which my book is a love story, not political,

1:00:27

it doesn't matter how many magas come for me

1:00:29

and say, oh, it's probably full of democratic propaganda.

1:00:32

No, it's based on how I met Dave

1:00:34

Grohl in 2001, if you would take two

1:00:36

seconds to read the synopsis. Anyway, you're

1:00:39

watching a love story and people like

1:00:41

to watch couples coming together. They like

1:00:43

to watch couples falling in love, the

1:00:46

wedding, maybe they'll stay with that couple

1:00:48

through maybe the birth of their first child.

1:00:51

But after that, they'll get

1:00:53

bored because there's nothing interesting about

1:00:55

happy people. Happy people are not interesting

1:00:57

after a while. That's not sustainable. Something

1:00:59

bad has to happen. There has to

1:01:01

be conflict to keep the audience because

1:01:03

they're like, why am I watching

1:01:05

this person just glide through life? That's not

1:01:07

interesting to me. There's no challenge in

1:01:11

your thought process when someone's

1:01:13

happy, when people are getting

1:01:15

along that's boring, right? There's

1:01:17

no conflict. And so

1:01:21

Donald Trump brought a kind of

1:01:23

conflict into the political arena that

1:01:25

hadn't been there before and

1:01:28

created something that was a little

1:01:30

more interesting for people to watch

1:01:32

instead of the good guy doing

1:01:34

good stuff consistently for eight years.

1:01:37

People were finding things

1:01:40

to get mad at Barack Obama about the tan

1:01:42

suit. There was something they

1:01:44

could manufacture outrage about because he

1:01:46

was so normal and so competent and

1:01:48

so good at his job and the country was going

1:01:51

along fine. That's not that

1:01:53

exciting for some people. Do you see what I'm

1:01:55

getting at? Oh yeah. If they can't get your pulse

1:01:58

going with something that makes them happy. makes you

1:02:00

upset or angry, people

1:02:03

don't care as much. And so that's

1:02:05

how they hook you. So that's that anti-hero is

1:02:07

so much more interesting than the good guy. I

1:02:10

don't know why we stopped rooting for the good guy because

1:02:12

the good guy wasn't conflicted enough

1:02:14

or troubling enough, which is why how

1:02:16

you get, you find yourself rooting for

1:02:18

Walter White on Breaking Bad. He's not

1:02:20

a good guy. Exactly, right, right. Right?

1:02:23

So we are

1:02:25

now living in, it's a duality of

1:02:27

social media and all

1:02:30

of these streaming platforms with new

1:02:32

content and people are, the

1:02:35

24 hour news cycle, people got used to

1:02:37

something always being on TV, something always there

1:02:39

to entertain them. I

1:02:41

would say that if people aren't

1:02:43

able to get churned up about something,

1:02:45

if there isn't something sparking that whoa,

1:02:48

in their brain, they're gonna lose interest.

1:02:50

Yeah. And I think Donald

1:02:52

Trump understands this. And it's the false

1:02:55

equivalence, Tara, of presenting

1:02:57

Barack Obama's tan suit in the

1:02:59

same tone of voice, in

1:03:01

the same level of presentation

1:03:04

on say, Meet the Press

1:03:06

or on CNN as

1:03:08

saying, oh my God, Donald

1:03:10

Trump said there were good people

1:03:12

on both sides in Charlottesville. No

1:03:15

one can evaluate what's bad and what's good and

1:03:17

what's okay and what's not okay. Because you've been

1:03:19

normalized. Yes, exactly. It's a little boil. Right, right,

1:03:21

it's a whole Donald Trump thing. Yeah, Donald Trump

1:03:24

does this all the time. I

1:03:26

think he was doing it yesterday in fact, where he was saying

1:03:28

the fact, well, this is gonna be the last

1:03:30

election that we ever have. I mean, come on.

1:03:32

If Joe Biden wins, it's gonna be the last.

1:03:34

Because what that does is it convinces people, well,

1:03:37

if both sides are saying that, then no

1:03:39

one's saying it. You know what I mean? I

1:03:42

guess it's just all bullshit that this is gonna be

1:03:44

the last election if so and so gets elected. And

1:03:46

that levels everything. That's how they have to,

1:03:49

he has to keep his base freaked

1:03:52

out at all times. Because he's

1:03:54

a cult leader and this is a

1:03:56

cult and they are being, I had

1:03:58

a... I have to believe

1:04:00

that there is a segment of this cult who understands

1:04:02

they're being lied to. And that the

1:04:05

bigger MAGA accounts on

1:04:07

Twitter, your Joey Manorino,

1:04:10

who I called Joey Magarino and –

1:04:14

and Charlie Kirk and Jack Piece

1:04:16

of shit, all of them, they – they're

1:04:19

being paid to do these. These

1:04:22

are the paid bad actors, not us,

1:04:24

right? Every accusation is a confession. It

1:04:28

doesn't matter now what he does,

1:04:30

what he says, where he goes, who he uses,

1:04:32

how many different people go to prison for him.

1:04:36

None of it, because they will only

1:04:38

listen to him. They will only keep

1:04:40

pushing out his narrative because that's what they're

1:04:42

being paid to do. And any truth that

1:04:44

they are faced with, they will either deny

1:04:46

or they'll move a goalpost and say, but

1:04:49

Joe Biden ate ice cream and Hunter Biden

1:04:51

has a laptop. What? There

1:04:54

is no equivalence between

1:04:57

the two candidates, and I think

1:04:59

that most MAGA Republicans know this,

1:05:01

but they can't. They admit it publicly.

1:05:05

And they have to keep pushing

1:05:07

this narrative because it's what everyone

1:05:09

has agreed to do, and

1:05:11

because to him, they

1:05:14

will only keep pushing out his narrative because that's what they're

1:05:16

being paid to do. And

1:05:18

any truth that they are faced with, they

1:05:20

will either deny or they'll move a goalpost

1:05:22

and say, but Joe Biden ate ice cream

1:05:24

and Hunter Biden has a laptop. What?

1:05:28

There is no equivalence

1:05:30

between the two

1:05:32

candidates, and I think that

1:05:34

most MAGA Republicans know this, but they

1:05:36

can't. They admit it publicly. And

1:05:39

they have to keep pushing this

1:05:41

narrative because it's what everyone has

1:05:43

agreed to do, and

1:05:46

because the entire party is compromised,

1:05:48

and whatever blackmail he is continuing

1:05:50

to hold over them, they

1:05:53

care about that more than

1:05:55

our country. And it is up

1:05:57

to us to keep saying it because he's been normal. normalized

1:06:00

to the point where Nicole Wallace

1:06:02

has to throw a script on

1:06:05

camera to get people to pay attention because

1:06:08

it is so glaringly abnormal

1:06:11

what people have decided is normal. And

1:06:14

that is not okay. We

1:06:17

really need to get good people

1:06:19

rewarded for being good instead of rewarding

1:06:21

bad people for being bad. Good

1:06:24

people like you and I, good people like

1:06:26

Hal, good people like sexy liberal, everyone on

1:06:29

sexy liberal, everyone who is voting for

1:06:31

Joe Biden. The fact that Joe

1:06:33

Biden is welcoming Nikki

1:06:35

Haley's voters and supporters because Donald

1:06:37

Trump called her a birdbrain and

1:06:40

proudly so. The fact

1:06:42

that we're welcoming

1:06:44

anyone who would

1:06:46

like to see their country not

1:06:48

become Russia. We're welcoming anyone who

1:06:50

used to vote independent or libertarian

1:06:53

or for Nikki Haley or Republican

1:06:55

who can take a step back

1:06:57

and say I'm not okay with

1:06:59

the narrative coming from the Republican

1:07:01

Party. I'm not okay with

1:07:03

Tommy Tuberville calling the Democrats a satanic

1:07:06

cult. That is fully

1:07:08

abnormal and it's irresponsible. It is irresponsible

1:07:10

for any sitting member of Congress to

1:07:12

be using their public platform to create

1:07:14

a narrative like that. And there should

1:07:16

be accountability for that. I

1:07:19

don't know where it comes

1:07:21

from other than from the voters. But

1:07:24

when you are never held accountable for

1:07:27

what – now just because someone doesn't

1:07:29

take accountability or responsibility doesn't mean we

1:07:31

stop holding them accountable and responsible. We

1:07:34

can if no one else

1:07:36

will. We'll continue to do that. And

1:07:39

I would encourage anyone listening, ignore

1:07:42

polls because polls are bullshit. Polls

1:07:44

don't elect anyone. Votes do. So

1:07:48

that's another way to scare people. Rasmussen

1:07:51

has me blocked on Twitter because

1:07:53

they're biased. That's not so

1:07:55

bad. That's actually a bad job. I mean, but

1:07:58

so don't listen to them. You know, don't

1:08:01

listen to the polls. If you are at

1:08:04

all concerned about the job that

1:08:07

Biden and Harris are doing, I encourage you to

1:08:09

go to the White House website and look at

1:08:11

the Biden-Harris record because they're not going to lie

1:08:13

to you. They're going to say, here's what we

1:08:15

have accomplished. Here's what we're working on. This is

1:08:17

our goal for our second term. This is what

1:08:19

we're going to continue to do. If any of

1:08:21

those things sound good to you, then you're living

1:08:23

here on Earth-1 with us. Is

1:08:26

there a – Well, the Republicans are

1:08:28

advocating – they're advocating for an end

1:08:31

to our democracy. Yeah, yeah. Go

1:08:33

back and watch Hamilton. I

1:08:36

watched Hamilton for the first time the other day

1:08:38

because one of my Facebook memories reminded me that

1:08:40

I took my younger son to see Hamilton here

1:08:42

in Portland a few years ago. And

1:08:44

I hadn't listened to Hamilton in a long time

1:08:46

because we were deeply saturating our lives with Hamilton,

1:08:49

and then we went to see the show. I'm

1:08:52

like, I think we can take a break now from Hamilton. But

1:08:55

it's on Disney+. And I

1:08:57

watched it, and again, I hadn't listened to it in a

1:08:59

while, and I hadn't watched it in a while. And

1:09:02

it's astonishing when you hear some

1:09:04

of the lines and how relevant they are

1:09:06

to what we're living with now. And

1:09:09

so it's truly

1:09:11

– the slow boil is what we've

1:09:13

all forgotten. And I also encourage people –

1:09:15

I don't know if anyone would ever do this who's on the

1:09:18

MAGA side. If you watch the

1:09:20

documentary about Nancy Pelosi, Pelosi in the

1:09:22

House, aside from watching her

1:09:24

be a fucking badass on January 6,

1:09:26

which it was, the

1:09:29

history of her

1:09:31

rise, the first time she was elected

1:09:33

speaker and the respect that she got

1:09:35

from Republicans, she got a standing ovation

1:09:38

from Republicans on the House floor. Incredible.

1:09:41

Boehner stood to welcome

1:09:43

her and cried, cried

1:09:45

about what it meant for his

1:09:47

daughters to see Nancy Pelosi as

1:09:49

speaker of the House, the immense

1:09:51

respect that they had for her

1:09:54

and showed her even when they

1:09:56

were disagreeing with her. Shows

1:09:59

you how far we've been. have fallen and

1:10:01

how far we have gotten

1:10:03

away from the normalcy

1:10:05

of what true political

1:10:07

discourse should look and sound like. And

1:10:10

that you can disagree with your opponent and

1:10:12

yet have respect for them. We've lost that

1:10:14

thanks to Trump. Of course. I

1:10:16

don't know how we get that back if we get that back. But

1:10:20

it's one of those things where like I would

1:10:22

welcome a conversation with someone from the other side

1:10:24

if they were able to sit with me with

1:10:27

the facts in front of them and not use

1:10:29

insults as political discourse because

1:10:31

insulting me doesn't – that doesn't foster

1:10:34

anything except more aggression between us.

1:10:38

And it's ultimately your goal. If

1:10:40

you care, if you truly

1:10:42

care about democracy and you care about our country,

1:10:45

you would be able to take a

1:10:47

look at what's happening and acknowledge that

1:10:50

it's abnormal. It's just – you

1:10:52

know, don't – the tweets that

1:10:54

always like kind of rankle me is you

1:10:56

see all of these cult assholes standing on

1:10:59

the side of the street with their American flags

1:11:01

and their big Trump flag and like, you don't

1:11:03

see this for Biden. We

1:11:05

don't have to. Yeah, no. I got one. It's

1:11:08

irrelevant. We're good. Yeah.

1:11:11

And also we're not in a cult. I think

1:11:13

it's admirable that you are still trying to convince

1:11:15

MAGA faithful of the wrongness of their ways. But

1:11:18

the thing that concerns me more, and this is

1:11:20

sort of becoming the through line

1:11:22

of today's conversation, which is convincing

1:11:25

not the MAGA people, but just

1:11:27

the undecided people who are considering,

1:11:29

well, maybe they voted for Joe

1:11:31

Biden in 2020 and

1:11:33

they're reconsidering that vote because

1:11:36

of whatever misreading of what's happening

1:11:38

in the world right now. Those

1:11:41

are the people that I want to sit

1:11:43

down and say, okay, listen, here's the truth.

1:11:45

Here's what's really going on. Have you heard

1:11:48

about Project 2025? Well, let's start there. And

1:11:50

then we'll do agenda 47 and we'll talk

1:11:52

about some of the things Trump has pledged

1:11:54

to do in his rallies. Are you okay

1:11:56

with a national abortion ban? Yeah, a national

1:11:58

abortion ban. Are you okay? with

1:12:00

a kleptocracy, are you okay

1:12:02

with a permanent president superseding

1:12:06

the constitution, and have a conversation along those

1:12:08

lines. Do you understand how many jobs have

1:12:10

been created in the last three years? No

1:12:12

they don't. No. And the reason they don't

1:12:15

is because the MSM is PTSD

1:12:17

from covering TFG this entire time.

1:12:20

Good use of acronyms. Yeah.

1:12:22

It's true though. I have a couple

1:12:24

of blogs on my sub-stack that reiterates

1:12:26

this. Yeah. That you get addicted to

1:12:29

the rage cycle, you get addicted to

1:12:31

your ratings going up when you broadcast

1:12:33

negativity because it sets people off and

1:12:35

they freak out. And Joe Biden

1:12:37

doesn't freak anyone out and that's what it's supposed

1:12:39

to... the president is supposed to set the tone

1:12:41

for the country. Yeah. And Joe

1:12:44

Biden's optimism should be contagious.

1:12:46

It should be because he has every

1:12:49

speech everywhere he goes. He

1:12:51

will always say I am more optimistic

1:12:54

about the future of our country than

1:12:56

I have ever been before and he

1:12:58

means it. He is a good human

1:13:00

being who has dedicated his entire adult

1:13:02

life to being in public service

1:13:05

and he is a selfless servant

1:13:08

of the United States of America.

1:13:10

He has sacrificed a lot of

1:13:13

things to be in service

1:13:15

to our country. He has survived

1:13:17

unimaginable personal tragedy. He didn't have

1:13:19

to run but he

1:13:22

chose to run because he was concerned

1:13:24

about Trump getting reelected and that's

1:13:26

why he ran in 2020 for

1:13:28

the good of the country. Not for

1:13:30

himself, not for

1:13:33

his ego. Joe Biden

1:13:35

doesn't have the ego. I mean every politician has

1:13:37

an ego obviously. Oh of course. But he doesn't have

1:13:39

the ego Donald Trump has. He doesn't use...

1:13:42

it's not about him. He stresses

1:13:44

this in every public appearance. It is

1:13:46

about our effort as

1:13:48

a country and also I would

1:13:51

remind everybody that President Biden

1:13:53

is the president for all Americans

1:13:56

and even the ones who didn't vote for him. He doesn't

1:13:58

choose to Good blue

1:14:01

states more than red states. He doesn't

1:14:03

help Democrats more than he helps Republicans

1:14:06

He doesn't write laws that

1:14:08

are skewed towards helping us more than you

1:14:10

He's not trying to help the rich instead

1:14:12

of the poor It's

1:14:14

everyone being equal which is what this

1:14:16

country was founded on Plus

1:14:18

he was just about to sign a

1:14:21

piece of immigration legislation that was authored

1:14:23

by Republicans pushed by Republicans Negotiated

1:14:25

by Republicans, you know, that's something that

1:14:28

Donald Trump never would have done Obviously

1:14:30

and Donald Trump in fact killed that

1:14:32

particular deal because of politics

1:14:34

Right and so they're voting against the

1:14:36

border bill while crying about not having

1:14:39

a border bill. Mm-hmm I mean Joe

1:14:41

Biden is like I what I can't give me a bill and I'll

1:14:43

sign it Yeah Pass it and

1:14:45

I'll sign it and they won't do that because

1:14:47

Donald Trump told them not to Donald Trump is

1:14:49

bragging about how he killed Roe v.

1:14:51

Wade and Joe Biden is saying you reelect us

1:14:53

We'll make that the law of the land which

1:14:55

it already should have been codified like forever ago

1:14:58

Yeah, all all Democrats want you to do is

1:15:00

have a is to thrive.

1:15:02

Yeah Democrats want you to thrive They

1:15:04

want you to have a good job a livable

1:15:07

wage Healthcare, they want you

1:15:09

to have your own social security at the end

1:15:11

of your working life So you can have a

1:15:14

peaceful and relaxing retirement. We're not trying to

1:15:16

take away your health care We're not trying

1:15:18

to shut down your schools. We're not telling

1:15:20

you how to think we're not doing any

1:15:22

of that Democrats deliver

1:15:25

Republicans remove that's you know, if

1:15:27

you want to catchphrase there it

1:15:29

is because We don't

1:15:31

take things away from you. We're not trying to

1:15:33

take away your guns We just would like you

1:15:35

to not kill other people with them. Is that

1:15:37

a lot to ask? I don't think it is Yeah,

1:15:41

no and I get like what

1:15:44

we're not trying to make you mad We're trying to

1:15:46

help you like have a happy life and chill out

1:15:48

and relax We want you to get up every day

1:15:50

and be like, huh, I have a job to go

1:15:52

to I have a roof over my head I have

1:15:55

food in my stomach, you know, yeah, but

1:15:57

basic, you know, we want you to have a quality of

1:15:59

life Republicans don't want you

1:16:01

to have that. They want all your

1:16:03

money. They want to take away all your

1:16:05

rights. They want to take away public education. They

1:16:08

want to take away your health care.

1:16:10

They want your children to be stupid

1:16:12

and starving. Look at what Florida just

1:16:15

did. Now, the people of

1:16:17

Florida will be able to vote on

1:16:19

this abortion ban in November. It'll be

1:16:21

– but I don't know that I can trust the

1:16:23

voters of Florida to be smart enough to do that.

1:16:25

That's right. I don't trust any voters right now. Florida

1:16:28

to women, where are you? Yeah.

1:16:31

I mean, rise – it is time to rise up because

1:16:33

between – Florida is already sinking into

1:16:35

the ocean because of climate change. Of

1:16:37

course. So there's

1:16:40

that, but that you have Ron DeSantis

1:16:42

deciding when you can start your family.

1:16:44

I'm not okay with that. I don't – I

1:16:46

mean, I'm not. And nobody should

1:16:49

be okay with that. Nobody should be

1:16:51

okay with the government saying this is

1:16:53

when you can start a family. There

1:16:55

are no laws governing a man's reproductive

1:16:57

system, none, and there's no

1:16:59

such thing as a pregnancy without a man. So

1:17:02

why is there nothing for them? Why

1:17:04

is there nothing written into these horrific abortion

1:17:07

laws that blame the man at all because

1:17:09

the woman did not spontaneously reproduce on her

1:17:11

own? And if

1:17:13

a woman is raped, she can't pretend

1:17:15

she wasn't or her reproductive system doesn't

1:17:17

know the difference, Todd Aiken.

1:17:20

So the things

1:17:22

that Republicans – the Republicans are

1:17:24

all about suppressing everything that makes

1:17:27

America wonderful. So

1:17:29

when they say make America great again, they actually don't

1:17:31

mean it. How do

1:17:33

you reach out to Republican women

1:17:35

voters, especially when it comes to

1:17:37

these issues? That's a

1:17:39

great question. Because it feels like if

1:17:41

you get those voters, if you are

1:17:43

able to somehow link those

1:17:46

people up, then women

1:17:48

governance is unstoppable. What's the connective tissue

1:17:50

between – Apparently

1:17:53

IVF. Threatening

1:17:55

IVF is apparently scaring the shit

1:17:57

out of a lot of people because an alibi is a bad thing.

1:18:00

Obama, a Democrat, just won by running on

1:18:02

IVF. A lot of

1:18:04

families are created

1:18:06

thanks to IVF. You

1:18:10

can get into a philosophical discussion, you

1:18:12

can get into a scientific discussion, you

1:18:14

can get into a theological discussion about

1:18:16

that because I would posit

1:18:18

that there are reasons certain people

1:18:20

can't conceive naturally. It's sort of

1:18:22

like a natural population control. That

1:18:26

exists in all of the

1:18:28

animal communities. There's

1:18:30

homosexuality in every mammalian community. I

1:18:32

think it's a natural biological population

1:18:35

control. You can split hairs over

1:18:37

that. Someone wants to have a family.

1:18:40

Somebody who cannot conceive naturally, they have tried

1:18:42

and tried for years and through the miracle

1:18:44

of IVF, they are able to have a

1:18:46

family and the government wants and

1:18:48

the Republicans want to take away that option. So

1:18:51

they don't want you to have an abortion but then

1:18:54

they don't want you to use IVF either. Now

1:18:57

they want to take away birth control. So

1:18:59

how do you look

1:19:01

at your party as a woman and say this is

1:19:03

the place for me? They

1:19:05

don't want you to have any autonomy

1:19:07

over your body, none. How

1:19:10

is that okay with you? So

1:19:12

when a Democratic woman can

1:19:15

win in Alabama, that's

1:19:18

a little, that's a ray of hope because

1:19:21

they will continue to threaten everybody's livelihoods until

1:19:24

people go, oh no, you can't do that

1:19:26

to me. I will not vote for you

1:19:28

to do that to me. So

1:19:30

maybe you can look at the

1:19:32

race in Alabama with IVF as an example. You

1:19:35

can look at more women running

1:19:37

than ever before, more black women running

1:19:39

in the Democratic Party than

1:19:42

ever before. You can hope

1:19:45

that enough Republican women are waking up across the country to

1:19:47

say you don't get to

1:19:49

tell me what I do with my uterus.

1:19:51

You don't get to tell me when I

1:19:53

start my family. You don't make my 10-year-old

1:19:55

raped daughter give birth to her rapists, baby.

1:19:57

No, no. There

1:20:00

has to come a point where

1:20:03

we say this is unacceptable.

1:20:05

The government is there for

1:20:07

a certain reason and they

1:20:09

have certain powers, but I

1:20:11

never believe that those powers

1:20:13

extend to the individual's medical

1:20:15

choices. It doesn't extend. They

1:20:17

don't belong in my body. They don't belong

1:20:19

in your body. And people are like, oh,

1:20:21

COVID. Yeah, no one made you get a

1:20:24

COVID shot. It was encouraged. Masking

1:20:26

was encouraged. There were mandates you couldn't

1:20:28

go into this restaurant if you weren't

1:20:30

wearing a mask. But that gave you

1:20:32

still had choices. You still

1:20:34

made, you could make the choice to be

1:20:36

a selfish dick and not get vaccinated. No

1:20:38

one was going to arrest you for that.

1:20:41

No one was going to do anything to

1:20:43

you over that. It's a little ostracized maybe,

1:20:45

but ultimately no one can make

1:20:47

you do that. The government didn't take you out of your

1:20:49

house and put a needle in your arm. They didn't do

1:20:51

that. I want to

1:20:53

believe that it'll be Republican women

1:20:56

who start changing

1:20:58

their minds. I mean not like the moms

1:21:00

for liberty. They're lost, but or

1:21:03

Nancy Mays, fuck her, or

1:21:06

Marjorie Taylor. Those are the extremes. But

1:21:09

then there are, I know in my

1:21:11

body that there are women in this

1:21:13

country who will

1:21:15

not accept a national abortion ban.

1:21:17

They just won't. I wonder

1:21:20

if the reason the polling is fucked up is

1:21:23

because there's a Bradley effect going

1:21:25

on where you've got women voters

1:21:27

responding to pollsters with maybe their

1:21:30

MAGA husbands sitting nearby. And

1:21:32

so they say, oh yeah, I support Donald

1:21:34

Trump, or I'm opposed to this thing that

1:21:36

the Democrats support, or whatever the question might

1:21:38

be, an answer might be. And

1:21:41

so consequently you have this disconnect in a

1:21:43

lot of these elections like

1:21:45

in Alabama where suddenly

1:21:48

the Democrat wins by

1:21:50

exceeding the polling by

1:21:52

maybe 10, 15 points in some cases

1:21:55

and it's all because the polling is

1:21:58

showing a different result. of that

1:22:00

Bradley effect because of telling pollsters something

1:22:02

different than what's happening in the voting

1:22:04

booth. I wonder if that's it. That's

1:22:06

very possible. Yeah. And

1:22:08

I'm sure that there are plenty of

1:22:11

women who say to their husbands, I'm voting for

1:22:13

Trump and then they go in that voting booth

1:22:15

and they vote for the Democrat instead because they

1:22:17

can. Your vote

1:22:20

is private. That

1:22:23

belongs to you. That is your voice. So

1:22:26

I will always hope that women

1:22:28

especially vote with their true voices because

1:22:32

without us there is no population.

1:22:34

You don't have another generation. You

1:22:37

don't have and there

1:22:40

will again, there will be a segment that

1:22:42

will always stay in the cult

1:22:44

for whatever their reasons are. It's safe. It's

1:22:47

familiar. They're subjugated. They don't know any other

1:22:49

way of life. They're too scared. Whatever

1:22:52

their reasons are. But

1:22:54

when you get a Democrat winning in Alabama,

1:22:57

the sun is a little brighter for

1:23:00

that. And that's what

1:23:02

we have to focus on and focusing on the

1:23:04

positive aspects of what we can show the

1:23:07

world and show the country matters.

1:23:09

And so the other thing that we

1:23:11

have on our side is Democrats have

1:23:13

a wonderfully deep bench of Biden surrogates

1:23:15

who are going out there and telling

1:23:18

the truth about what this administration has

1:23:20

accomplished and what it will continue to

1:23:22

accomplish. Right. I mean, Governor Studley Newsom

1:23:24

out there and you have a lot of

1:23:26

men. I had no idea

1:23:28

he was Studley Newsom. Governor

1:23:32

Studley, I mean, he could be president

1:23:34

easily someday. Sure. I mean,

1:23:36

yeah. He

1:23:39

doesn't just talk the talk. He walks the

1:23:41

walk. He has been,

1:23:44

what he has done with California's

1:23:46

economy is incredible. The way he

1:23:48

is supportive of women's rights is

1:23:50

incredible. And he is the right.

1:23:52

Like if you're going to put a white man in

1:23:54

the White House, he is the right white man to

1:23:57

put in the White House. That's true. Yeah.

1:24:00

wonderfully deep bent, you can take any

1:24:02

Democratic member of Congress and put them

1:24:04

on TV and they won't embarrass us.

1:24:06

Well, I mean true Democrats. So

1:24:08

you get, you get, and look, we

1:24:10

are inches away from having, we are, look

1:24:12

at, look at how razor-thin the Republican

1:24:14

majority is in the House. They're

1:24:16

gonna lose. Oh yeah. They're gonna

1:24:18

lose that majority. They know they're

1:24:20

gonna lose that majority. We're gonna

1:24:22

get Hakeem Jeffries as Speaker. I

1:24:24

mean that's gonna be incredible. We

1:24:26

have so many good, strong Democrats

1:24:29

on the bench to get

1:24:31

out there and continue to push the

1:24:33

messaging. And we're in the

1:24:36

echo chamber of Twitter more than most

1:24:38

Americans are. It's eventually going

1:24:40

to supersede social media and get into

1:24:42

the mainstream. Yeah. I believe that with

1:24:45

all my heart because if you've already

1:24:47

noticed, and this is something someone predicted

1:24:49

that by this point of the year, people would

1:24:51

be talking about Joe Biden's age a lot less

1:24:54

than they were at the beginning of the

1:24:56

year. And we're already seeing that. They're not really talking. He's

1:24:58

making jokes about it. He was, you know, he said

1:25:01

at the Easter celebration at the White House,

1:25:03

somebody said, mentioned something about how it was

1:25:05

invented by, oh, Al Roker was interviewing the

1:25:07

Bidens and said, the Easter egg hunt was

1:25:09

founded by President Rutherford B. Hayes and Biden

1:25:11

was like, hey, he's one of my classmates.

1:25:14

See, that's the kind of Reagan shit that

1:25:16

I hope is getting into the minds of

1:25:18

a lot of voters right now. Because you

1:25:20

do that. Brilliant. You have a president. He

1:25:22

would need a president with a sense of

1:25:24

humor about himself. Yeah. He's reminding me. Donald

1:25:26

Trump doesn't have a sense of humor at

1:25:28

all. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, after four years

1:25:30

of Donald Trump, Joe Biden, one of the things

1:25:32

he's been able to accomplish among the many things

1:25:35

is he's reminded us what it means

1:25:37

to be presidential again. How to behave

1:25:39

with decency and decorum in the White

1:25:42

House. Dignity. Yeah. Yeah. It's incredible. It

1:25:44

matters. And that's another thing that we

1:25:46

have lost because of this ingrate

1:25:48

who created this abnormal environment around

1:25:51

our political discussions and our political

1:25:53

norms and what's acceptable and what's

1:25:55

not acceptable. And when I have

1:25:57

these discussions with people, you know, I'll say Donald

1:25:59

Trump. Trump was arrested. He

1:26:01

was arrested for

1:26:05

separate times last year and has

1:26:07

a mugshot. That is

1:26:09

fully abnormal. That's right. And

1:26:11

if Joe Biden had one arrest, just one,

1:26:14

he'd be gone already. Democrats hold our own

1:26:17

accountable as soon as possible. So

1:26:20

if we had anybody who was that level

1:26:22

of a criminal, they

1:26:24

wouldn't get to the campaign trail. They wouldn't be

1:26:26

running for president. It is so abnormal

1:26:29

that he's the candidate. Like where is the FEC?

1:26:32

I really feel like the rules to run

1:26:36

for president need to be updated. You

1:26:38

shouldn't have any arrests on your

1:26:40

record if you're running for president

1:26:43

of the United States. If he

1:26:45

couldn't get a job like the rest

1:26:48

of us, like you have a record list.

1:26:50

I had four arrests on my CV and

1:26:53

I went to get a job at Burgerville.

1:26:56

They'd be like, you're a criminal. We're not going

1:26:58

to hire you. Four arrests

1:27:00

and a mugshot? No, no, no, no. You

1:27:02

don't get dumber. Joe Biden doesn't have that.

1:27:05

I like a president without a prisoner

1:27:07

number. That's me. I

1:27:09

like a president whose friends can show up

1:27:12

for him in New York City

1:27:14

and raise $25 million in one night. Oh, they're

1:27:16

so jealous of that. They're so jealous of that.

1:27:18

And no, we're not going to loan you any of

1:27:20

that $25 million. Donald, you can't have

1:27:22

it. Donald Trump doesn't have any friends.

1:27:24

He has paid co-conspirator yes

1:27:27

men is what he has.

1:27:30

He has paid shills around. You

1:27:32

think George W. Bush is going to show

1:27:34

up for Donald Trump at a fundraiser? He's

1:27:36

the only living former Republican president. He's

1:27:39

not going to show up for Trump. No, he's not going

1:27:41

to raise money for Trump. Of course not. And

1:27:44

by the way, did you see the

1:27:46

talent that showed up besides the former

1:27:48

Democratic presidents who showed up for Joe

1:27:50

Biden? Colbert. It's even cool

1:27:52

there. You had Lizzo. You had

1:27:54

Cynthia Arivo, Queen Latifah,

1:27:56

Leah Michelle. They had the amazing

1:27:58

performers who's going to show to raise money

1:28:00

for Donald Trump. Kid Rock and Scott Baio?

1:28:03

That's who's showing up? That's right. Yeah,

1:28:05

those are the A-listers. That's who you got? That's

1:28:07

who you got? Really? Really? And you

1:28:09

look at the pictures from Mar-a-Lago where

1:28:11

it's like it's the last night of

1:28:14

the Titanic every single night at

1:28:16

Mar-a-Lago. Yeah. And they're

1:28:18

all dressed up and they're moving the deck

1:28:20

chairs all around. They're having these ridiculous, I

1:28:23

don't even want to, are those the coke-fueled

1:28:25

orgies Madison Cawthorn told us about? I don't

1:28:27

know. Probably. Yeah. Have you

1:28:29

seen Kim Guilfoyle lately? She looks like

1:28:31

she lives on a steady diet of ozimpic

1:28:33

and cocaine. She's

1:28:35

a shadow of her former.

1:28:38

Yeah. Is this the best that was meant, the

1:28:40

best that was yet to come, Kim? Is it this? No,

1:28:43

it's not. And they all look fucking

1:28:45

miserable. Yeah, they do. They all look

1:28:48

miserable. And so, and Joe

1:28:50

Biden's out there eating his ice cream, looking super

1:28:52

happy because I think

1:28:55

we all know where this is going.

1:28:57

They just can't admit it. Yeah. And

1:28:59

so, let's just lean into

1:29:01

their misery. Let's just absorb

1:29:04

the Shadenfreude and like, let it be

1:29:06

your food for the next few

1:29:08

months, right? And again, I would

1:29:12

say, I think everybody really

1:29:14

needs to keep a very close eye

1:29:16

on the Stormy Daniels trial because that

1:29:19

one, you want to

1:29:21

pop them for fraud. People can

1:29:23

justify, oh, but he's a billionaire. No,

1:29:25

he's not. But you want to

1:29:28

say he didn't rape Eugene Carroll because they called it

1:29:30

sexual assault instead of rape. If you want to weasel

1:29:32

out of that and he has to pay more now

1:29:34

because his lawyer is so incompetent, you want to ignore

1:29:36

that, that's fine. They are not going to be able

1:29:38

to ignore a criminal conviction. Yeah.

1:29:41

Yeah. Because that's one of their tropes

1:29:43

that they hang on to. If you

1:29:45

say, if I put up,

1:29:47

oh, he's got a court calendar longer than one of his

1:29:49

dumb red ties, and one of them will come back and

1:29:51

say, well, show me a conviction. Yeah, that's a civil one.

1:29:53

That's a civil. That's civil. Okay. Well, you want a criminal

1:29:55

conviction? Are you sure you want that? Because what happens when

1:29:58

you get that? What are you going to do? What

1:30:01

are you going to do when Trump

1:30:03

is convicted in the Hush Money case?

1:30:05

What are you going to do? And

1:30:07

that, to me, will

1:30:10

be really telling because it's not

1:30:12

the last trial of this year, and

1:30:15

he still has to – there's still Atlanta. There

1:30:17

is still the stolen documents case, and there's

1:30:20

still the January 6th trial, and he's going

1:30:22

to lose all of them.

1:30:24

He's going to lose every single

1:30:26

one because he does not have

1:30:29

the truth on his side. He

1:30:31

has lies and treason and fraud

1:30:33

and rape and nothing.

1:30:35

He has nothing, and

1:30:38

it's all a smokescreen. And

1:30:40

so it's up to us

1:30:43

to be louder than MAGA and

1:30:45

continue to push the truth out there in the

1:30:47

hopes that the right people will see it at the

1:30:49

right time. Because eventually what

1:30:52

they have is going to completely

1:30:54

fall apart because they have no

1:30:56

foundation like we do. And

1:30:58

they don't – because they don't have the

1:31:00

truth on their side. And eventually,

1:31:02

a house of lies will

1:31:05

collapse like a house of cards. And

1:31:08

you see that, and that's something that you've seen repeatedly

1:31:11

in TV shows about government,

1:31:13

any show, any movie, anything where

1:31:15

if the president is evil, he will

1:31:18

get his comeuppance. If these people are

1:31:20

trying to overthrow the government, they will

1:31:22

get their comeuppance. Something will always

1:31:24

happen. You feel like you're down

1:31:27

one day because they got two steps ahead because

1:31:29

he paid his $175 million bond. They

1:31:33

make a fucking deal. That's not his money. He's

1:31:35

never going to pay it back. He's not really going to help him

1:31:37

because he's got all of these other things ahead of him. So

1:31:39

if anyone who's

1:31:42

still listening, if you're worried,

1:31:45

follow Bob, follow me, follow Hal, follow John

1:31:48

Fuegel saying follow everyone on Sexy Liberal. Follow

1:31:51

the good, strong, prominent Democratic

1:31:53

voices. Follow the Democratic coalition.

1:31:56

All of these

1:31:58

people who are here and invested in – telling you

1:32:00

the truth are the ones

1:32:02

you should be listening to. I mean, I don't know

1:32:04

if you ever get the cult, but

1:32:06

that doesn't mean we stop saying

1:32:09

what's true. That's right.

1:32:12

So as we navigate forward, we

1:32:15

always, forward motion is what's

1:32:17

really important, and that is

1:32:20

how Democrats vote. Democrats vote

1:32:23

for the future while Republicans want to haul us

1:32:25

back to the past. And the past was

1:32:27

not good. All of the things

1:32:29

that they want were bad things. So

1:32:32

you can

1:32:34

just whittle it down to its basic thing. The

1:32:36

Republicans just want to set us back centuries.

1:32:38

Among other things, yeah. And

1:32:42

no minorities have a voice, and

1:32:44

women are subservient, and children should

1:32:46

be working in the field uneducated

1:32:48

and being field workers for us.

1:32:52

And I would love to know, what's your plan, Ron DeSantis?

1:32:55

What are you going to do? Let's

1:32:57

just say in November, Florida voters are with you,

1:33:00

and they have six weeks? Nah, fuck it. We

1:33:02

don't even know if we're pregnant by six weeks, but go ahead. But

1:33:05

what happens to Florida? The population will explode. They

1:33:08

won't be able to feed them. They won't be

1:33:10

able to house them. They won't be able to...

1:33:13

What happens? What happens after that?

1:33:15

They don't have a long game. They don't have

1:33:17

a game plan. They just want to burn it all

1:33:20

down. What are you going to

1:33:22

do? It just doesn't make sense to me. So

1:33:26

I'm going to keep living here in reality with you and

1:33:30

the rest of the smart people. And

1:33:33

I would love to believe that

1:33:35

eventually this cult phases out

1:33:37

because it's not a sustainable

1:33:39

political model. It just isn't.

1:33:43

He's not a successful businessman. He

1:33:46

tried to run the country like a business and look where it

1:33:48

got us. You can't do that. And

1:33:51

so I'm tired

1:33:53

of unsuccessful... Like

1:33:55

the zake. The zake was never going to

1:33:58

get anywhere. Another unsuccessful... business

1:34:00

like stop it stop it and

1:34:03

it's gonna take some sight it's gonna take a few election

1:34:06

cycles I think that I feel like there will be

1:34:08

a time where we're gonna look back we're gonna look

1:34:10

back at this time like how what happened to us

1:34:13

what happened I hope we won't be scrolling the

1:34:15

history of this period of time on the walls

1:34:17

of our prison cells using human blood

1:34:19

and feces yeah I hope that

1:34:24

but you know what I just I so

1:34:26

appreciate your optimism and I I'm so thankful

1:34:28

that I've had you on the show today

1:34:30

because you've made me laugh and you've

1:34:32

made me feel better you've talked me off a little

1:34:35

thank you so much thank you you want a real

1:34:37

break from the current show that we're

1:34:39

living in why not read my rock

1:34:41

and roll love story settling which

1:34:43

is a it's

1:34:46

the ultimate fan fiction it is based on

1:34:48

my real meat cool with Dave Grohl of

1:34:50

Foo Fighters back in 2001 nothing ever happened

1:34:52

between us so the book posits what would

1:34:54

happen if a woman found out that the

1:34:56

lead singer of her favorite band also had a crush on

1:34:58

her with that lifestyle go

1:35:00

will she stay or will she go

1:35:03

check it out at taradublinrock.com I've officially

1:35:05

sold over 600 books now Bob hey

1:35:08

congratulations that's great news yeah the MAGA

1:35:10

people reveal like 600 and you have

1:35:12

a hundred thousand followers well okay followers

1:35:14

let's step up and show MAGA yeah

1:35:17

MAGA people don't even read and I

1:35:19

would say people who read books shouldn't

1:35:21

criticize the people who write them but

1:35:23

you know bullies will

1:35:25

do that bullies do that they find out what's important to

1:35:27

us and then they make fun of the things that we

1:35:30

love to try to hurt us which is why they make

1:35:32

fun of my cats and my kids and my book and

1:35:35

when yeah I'm really hurt dumbasses I was

1:35:37

so happy to see though that you're a

1:35:39

fan of the sugar copper blue album oh

1:35:41

my goodness yeah which is so good for

1:35:43

those who don't know there's a there's a

1:35:45

trend going

1:35:48

around right now name a perfect album from

1:35:50

the 90s that's not Pearl Jammer Nirvana yeah

1:35:52

and I also I didn't go Foo Fighters

1:35:55

because Foo Fighters is Nirvana adjacent

1:35:57

yeah so I chose copper

1:35:59

blue Blue by the band Sugar. And

1:36:01

if you don't know Sugar, that's Bob Mould, who

1:36:04

was in Husker Du and Amazing. Yeah. Oh, you

1:36:06

say Mould. Is that how you pronounce his last

1:36:08

name? I've always said Mould and you say Mould.

1:36:10

I think, I think he doesn't care. Bob Mould,

1:36:12

Bob Mould. I don't think he really, he

1:36:14

just wants you at his shows. But

1:36:17

Copper Blue is a perfect, and

1:36:19

I would say very underrated album

1:36:21

from the early nineties. For me, I was sitting

1:36:24

there, like I have three albums came to mind

1:36:26

all at once. Automatic for the

1:36:28

people by REM. Yep. Sugar,

1:36:30

Copper Blue and Dusk

1:36:32

by The Zuh. Oh

1:36:34

yeah. Yeah. All three. Yeah. Oh my God. And

1:36:36

it was one, so choose one. And I had

1:36:39

to go with Sugar because that album

1:36:41

is especially helpless. It's such a fucking rocking

1:36:43

killer of a perfect song. It really is.

1:36:45

So if you don't have Copper Blue, get

1:36:48

it. Get it. It's so, it's just

1:36:50

so from the opening notes to the end. It's

1:36:52

just perfect, perfect, perfect. And I, again,

1:36:54

I used to be on the radio here in Portland. I was on

1:36:56

the radio from 2004 to 2009 and actually next month, is it next

1:36:59

month or the

1:37:02

month? It's June. At the end of June, it's

1:37:04

the 20th anniversary of when I got hired and

1:37:07

everybody loves the comeback Odyssey. So

1:37:09

I mean, if nothing would make me

1:37:11

personally happier than to be back on

1:37:13

the radio only talking about music for

1:37:15

five hours a day to get a

1:37:17

break from politics. That's what music,

1:37:19

music is a gift. It's a balm for your

1:37:21

soul. So when,

1:37:24

when you're in the fight like we are, you

1:37:27

have to build in breaks. You have to

1:37:29

take breaks. You have to give yourself, find

1:37:32

joy. Find something to take

1:37:34

your mind off the garbage fire for

1:37:36

a little bit. And nothing does that

1:37:38

better than music. So that's what we

1:37:40

should always do, Bob. Every time you and

1:37:42

I have a discussion, we should just end

1:37:44

on a high note literally and talk about

1:37:47

something, something great musically to listen to. So

1:37:49

today, go back to your 90s

1:37:51

collection and add

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sugar, copper, blue. And what was

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yours? Yeah. I chose flaming lips.

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Yeah. Yeah. I of course would.

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knee-jerk directly to Rush, but I try not to

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make every post that I Throw

1:38:04

up on Twitter about Rush. So yeah,

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it was between to me the choice

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was between the soft

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bulletin by the Flaming Lips saturation

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by Urge Overkill

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Octongue Baby by U2 The

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kids today they don't know The early

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90s, awesome. Yeah,

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just again and pre

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anything pre Apple Technology.

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Yeah, and Ironically YouTube

1:38:36

remember that when we got the YouTube album on our

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phones that we didn't ask for But

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God Octongue Baby is such a great fucking way. It

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really is. W. Lin Waugh is

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just a genius producer. Oh my god. Well when I was

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on the air at 94.7 Here

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in Portland my noon hour was called

1:38:53

the 90s at noon. Wow, and so

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For a full hour it was I mean we would

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play There would be like when

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I would get my 90s at noon playlist like Nirvana

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really we play Nirvana all fucking day Can I play

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something that's a little deeper? I don't know

1:39:06

does anyone need to hear smells like teen spirit like

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ever again on the radio? No, so can

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I can I go deeper? Can I get can

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