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Uncle Ruckus: My name's Uncle Ruckus, and this is a story of my relations.

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I was born under unusual circumstances It was the Fourth of July and I was told it

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was an especially good night to be born.

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But that was some bullshit. Lynxi: Welcome back y'all.

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It's the Boondocks podcast. And today we're covering season three, episode 14, The Color Ruckus in which

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Music: to shoot the Lynxi: if you loved the color purple and can't get enough of precious, we

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present a powerful, emotionally gripping story of people beating on each other.

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Uncle Ruckus' family comes to town and Ruckus must settle some

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old business with his father. Y'all we all love daddy issues, but before we get into those, we're starting out

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with just a little bit of the crew today.

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So Tiara, Dean, how the fuck are you living?

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Dean: My name is daddy issues. Lynxi: all

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Dean: I am the inverse of daddy Warbucks.

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Tiara: I mean, Lynxi: sounds that's like a real rapper persona, but yeah.

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Tiara: Today's been relatively productive on your end.

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Like you got the pod stuff figured out movers And those are both huge things.

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Dean: Yeah. And let's see what else? I think I've got my living situation.

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I got your living situation handled Tiara: We're going to have a week of homelessness basically.

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So we're Lynxi: Together though, I hope.

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Tiara: D it's. Okay. It's because of the three dogs, we there's nowhere.

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That's going to take us with three dogs. Dean is staying with a friend with one of the dogs and I get to have the

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bachelor at life with two of the dogs down, very near to where the new houses.

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And so Dean: she's gotta be down there to make sure the internet gets

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Tiara: Somebody has to be down there for all of the crap that has to happen

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before we get the keys on the 17th.

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But I'm going to be there for a week, basically.

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Dean: Yeah. Lynxi: I don't want that. I don't want.

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Tiara: It's still okay with it. It's weird.

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It's but it is what it is. It's better than what it was going to be.

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Dean: You were gone longer to Hawaii and yeah.

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Tiara: For much longer that's right. I wasn't Hawaii for longer.

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Dean: So yeah. It's to be Tiara: driving me down on Sunday and then we're going to have like

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dinner with some friends or whatever. And then he'll be back on Friday because work stuff, connection to the

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internet, all of that fun, great stuff.

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And dogs. Dean: Yeah. Because while, cause I still have to work.

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I can't take time off. So

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Tiara: any time off between Thanksgiving and

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Dean: I've got, so I've got a, I've got a, I've got a friend who's

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got gigabit internet, like I do. So I'm staying there until we have internet there and

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I can hold us down there Tiara: yeah.

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Dean: cause yeah, that's I've got to pack all this stuff up.

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Lynxi: pandemic has made me like couples clingy.

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I know that's horrible. I, me and my husband, listen, he can go in another room and do his own shit,

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but I'm always like right now, he's at target and I'm like, where are you going?

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Okay. What are you getting? Oh, okay. Can you give me a snack?

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Okay. Hurry home. Turn your location. Share on. I know it's so pathetic.

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Cause so that's when you're like, oh, going to be in two different places.

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I'm wait a minute. Can't do that.

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You can't do that. What if a girl does, but I know I'm being ridiculous guys have been together

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Dean: I do that. I do that. I turn on my locate if I'm somewhere and I say I'm heading home, or I'm

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heading over to your place, I'll turn on my location So people will know.

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Lynxi: Yes. We had a fight about it at first.

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I was like why don't you want to turn on your location, Sherry?

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And then I walked when like my health stuff kicked up.

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I kept walking over to the hospital cause it's like a block away from us.

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And then it was taking me home through the shady park and I was like, I

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tried to turn on location sharing and you turned it off if I died.

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Tiara: you Lynxi: he finally turned that. Tiara: they have, can't remember exactly what the name of it is

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and I'll have to look it up. But th there's an app where you can you push a button when you are entering into

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a situation where you are uncomfortable and you basically have to push the button

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again within a certain amount of time, or it'll send alerts to people that

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you might be in an unsafe situation.

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Lynxi: I've heard of it, like for Uber rides and shit.

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Like you Tiara: I've seen that too. Lynxi: Yeah.

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I don't know what it's called either though, but I know you speak of

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Tiara: I've yeah. I'm being the one who doesn't drive and also who, before the pandemic had

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a pretty active social life between roller Derby and going dancing and,

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just hanging out with people because. I don't know how I've survived the last two years actually.

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But anyway Lynxi: yeah. Tiara: I'm not I'm an ex I'm I'm an extrovert when I'm

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around people who understand me. So yeah I've become much more of an introvert in the last while.

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But yeah, so I'm used to, we're both used to, he was a musician and used to do gigs

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in on the other side of the water from here, which is like a four fucking hour

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drive or it's a, well, you missed the last very, so you still have to drive around.

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So if I was to go out with them to those shows, I would be like sleeping in the car

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until 3:00 AM and no, that's not my thing.

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So we've been used to that. But we still we still use it.

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Like we still check in with each other and all of that shit.

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And, but, I know he's not worried about me because I have very, very protective

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friends who live down in Portland who are counting down the minutes until I'm there.

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And when I messaged them today and said, okay, my Airbnb is

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booked from the 13th to the 17th. They were like, fantastic.

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Okay. So on this night we could do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And I'm never button. I'm like I'm a half a block from the food carts.

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I'm pretty much going to do that and sit in the patio

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Lynxi: Yup. Tiara: you can to me. Lynxi: I love it.

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Tiara: Yeah, Lynxi: That's good. Tiara: it'll be good.

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It'll be fine. And we'll probably have video chats cause we're those people

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Lynxi: Yeah, we are teal. I went on a trip and what I I didn't particularly love the place I was

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working, but they'd all be like, oh yeah, we're going out to the bar and be

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like, okay, I go right into that room and start FaceTiming with my husband.

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I don't give a fuck. I don't want to hang out with, y'all sorry to be negative, but that's what it was.

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So yeah, we were those people to fall asleep together on FaceTime late

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at night and all that corny shit.

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Someone is listening to this right now. Like you, people need to get a life and make new friends.

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Cause I know that's the Tiara: I'm, I think it's adorable that you're married your best friend.

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I'm married to my best friend. I think it's fantastic.

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I do not know if I would've gotten through the last two years if I had

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not been married to my best friend Lynxi: like he's a social butterfly.

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So he needs that external stimulation.

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I used to be a social butterfly, but right when he and I got together, I was

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going through the cutoff stage where you're like, I always say to people

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like, you need to become selfish. You can't over give to others.

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I know if MJ was on, she would agree with me, but I was that mode.

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So it just so happened that happened.

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And then pandemic happened and he said the same thing to me one day

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thank God we got married when we did and met, won't be dead because I'd

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be so lonely during the pandemic.

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Tiara: Oh yeah. Lynxi: Anyway, about some news

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Tiara: my God. There's so many things, so many fucking amazing okay.

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What is it? The whole Charlottesville thing that the verdict came down in that civil suit

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and it's like $26 million settlement or not settlement, but judgment against

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the proud boys and the, I was keepers and I think the three percenters,

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but I don't think that's actually an organized, that's just a, want to be.

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Lynxi: going to do these organizations?

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Like I know there's people attached to them, but like, how are you

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going to get this money though? Tiara: Right. Lynxi: you know what I mean?

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Tiara: And from what I remember, like the, I don't actually even know who the people

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in charge of these groups are anymore. It used to be super obvious because, when they were still growing dude's

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face was out there all the time with Richard Spencer or whatever his name was.

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And I know that he's no longer doing it and he's like bankrupt, but I do think

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he's one of the people who was sued. But there are particular people that they sued for this.

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So it's not like we're sitting the proud boys it's, we're suing these 17

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particular people the leaders of, or the, did the planning for this thing.

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And so, Lynxi: Good.

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Even if it's for show, I know like at least there are people attached.

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Even if it were for show, I would be like, clap, clap because

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I'll take it at this point. Tiara: And then we've got we're still waiting for the jury to come back

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in the mod Aubrey case, which is.

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Lynxi: Oh my Tiara: was a lynching fair and square, not fair and square, but you know what I mean?

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Like it's really fucking obvious that and they even said themselves,

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oh, this was all self-defense. It was all self defense when he had no weapon, but he grabbed at my weapon.

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So therefore no, it just,

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Lynxi: bullshit. And did you hear about the defense attorney and how she tried to like

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Tiara: Huh. Lynxi: evoke? Oh, it was a runaway slave situation.

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I know she didn't say that exactly what they said. She was trying to work up that imagery.

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I was like, you gotta be fucking shitting me.

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Tiara: That's the that's that there was something about he felt he, right.

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That he felt that these guys felt empowered to do the same, to be like

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policemen and to do the same thing that policemen did because they

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believed that this was somebody bad.

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And basically the justification that, that, that defense attorney was

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giving was the whole citizens arrest thing started with the slave trade.

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And now. I'm going To make this imagery of, it was the long, dirty toenails

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and the the like dirty shorts and like basically just dehumanizing.

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This man over and over and

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Lynxi: shit. Okay. Tiara: right. To justify it.

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Lynxi: This is how fucked up my brain is and how fucked up it works.

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I don't know the lyrics to it, but you know, the musical, anything

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goes, that's what I'm hearing in my head in this court situation.

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Tiara: Yes. And I promise I will not break into song, But I do know that song.

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I've sang it with a live band and I love that.

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Lynxi: But I feel like if there were any moment this would be

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at, although our listeners would probably be like, what the fuck?

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You guys too far, too far, not.

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Tiara: I'm actually really curious. I've never seen a video of that one.

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I don't, I Lynxi: I know of any other, no, we saw it.

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I saw it on, I think. I saw it in like theater with my girlfriend, Laura, we used to do all

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the she had friends who had the front row tickets and whenever they didn't

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use them, they'd give it to her. So we would go to all the shows and get to sit like in the orchestra seats,

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wouldn't you rather sit in the bath, but whatever it was school anyway,

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anyway, that is appropriate for the situation, but inappropriate and mood.

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So guess we should back away before I start offending people how my walking mind

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Dean: I'm softened it. Tiara: God was, there was something else too.

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What else? Lynxi: Had written house, Astroworld drama is going on.

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Tiara: and then you've got the the Walker Shaw parade, the

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Dean: Oh yeah. Tiara: and kid died today.

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So now at six victims have died as of this recording right now.

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There's so much shit that has been happening in the last few weeks and,

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or at least, you know, certain things coming to an end when, you know, when

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you think of like the written house trial

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Dean: Oh, that, that they, the jury found the rally organizers for Sean.

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It got the army stepped Tiara: And oh, there was in, in nobody's surprised or here's my surprise face

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that the GOP admitted that they're paying a lot of Trump's legal bills

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and shit like, oh that's nice.

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That was what I like woke up to that this morning.

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I was like, that's interesting. Okay.

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They're not even trying pretend Lynxi: know, I feel like nobody is like the country quote unquote is not

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trying to pretend anything anymore. I saw someone post one of those little political memes, which I

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always try and stay away from. But this one, I was like, yeah, that's fucked up where they were posting

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like a picture of Trump, Matt gates someone else, all of these people.

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Yes. She was in there and some of the other, like January six people

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and they were like, why are none of these individuals in prison?

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You know? And they made something like, if we don't enforce justice, you know, it's all over.

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And it's kind of like, bruh, you know, it's well

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Tiara: I can't remember like the number of subpoenas that have been coming down over.

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the last couple of days. So it would make me feel like they're going to be coming up next.

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Wasn't Matt Lynxi: I hope so. Tiara: for wait, now I've got to look it up.

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Dean: I know as Alex Jones was the big one that's been talked about.

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Tiara: yeah, Lynxi: Oh Lord. What did he owe for January 6th or just for his

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rebel? Rousing? Someone said I just have hope that they're building a hell of a case.

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I was like child.

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I don't know. I don't think I can even float the hope boat anymore, but.

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Tiara: Yeah. Roger Stone and Alex Jones was yesterday members of the proud

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boys and the oath keepers today. So along with that judgment coming down, they started getting their

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subpoenas for their obvious involvement.

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Excuse me. else?

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Woo. When I do it at home, I usually don't try to hide it.

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And then he'll say what?

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And I'll say what? Lynxi: I just say, sorry, I'm sorry.

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I can't control it. Oh man.

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But the world is awful. The news is horrible.

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I was in such a mood today, such a bad mood. I know.

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I doesn't say I feel bad for some of my clients, but I totally don't because

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they were asking for it and I was just, I don't get bitchy at people.

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I just get really like factual you know, no more niceties, no

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more exclamation points in emails. Just, yes, no.

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We talked about this on Thursday, the 4th of October.

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So I was just going off today and everything on Twitter, all

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of this new shit, anything anyone said was just pissing me off.

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So I just turned it off. That's why, I'm sorry.

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It was so late responding to you guys about like clips and stuff where

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today it was just it's too much. It's dark.

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It's dark y'all Tiara: yeah. Lynxi: but Thanksgiving's coming.

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So Tiara: Yeah. Lynxi: give bang.

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Tiara: This is going to be the first year, since used to work retail

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that we are not doing Thanksgiving. back when I worked retail, I would volunteer to work all the holidays

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because you know, that was good money Lynxi: Yeah.

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Tiara: because back when $5 and 15 cents an hour was big money now.

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anyway, Yeah. no we're gonna, we're gonna do something, but we haven't quite figured out what,

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we're not doing a big family thing.

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Cause you know, two weeks later.

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And most of our stuff is most of my is packed and most of our

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stuff is packed at this point. Dean: I think I'll probably make a roaster.

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Tiara: I would like that Lynxi: Thanksgivings are underrated, I think.

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Tiara: agreed. But for me, like Thanksgiving honestly has been it's only important

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to me because it's important. It was important to my mom.

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Because she likes tradition and like any excuse to have the family gather.

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And like we're heading into bike last Thanksgiving.

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Dad was not able to come and join us because he just couldn't,

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he just wasn't feeling good. And then, a few weeks later he was gone.

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So like we're getting into that time of year and I'm not ready for that

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kind of I, I'm not ready for that. So we're going to spend Christmas in our new house and my mom will be there.

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I need to find out if the boys will be with us or not, but I'm, I

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know that I'm going to get through this just fine, but shit, like I

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can feel it coming up, you know, Lynxi: yes.

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Ma'am holidays are. I know a lot of people love the time with the family, but it is specially,

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I know you've had a heavy end of the year, middle of the year to that end.

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So it always brings stuff up.

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I drink a whole bottle of wine last Christmas.

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There are no last Thanksgiving, but we don't even have to get into that.

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Cause that's a trigger for me as well. But I said I will never do this again, but it's a hard time.

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They're heavy times, beautiful times, but also heavy and you know,

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Tiara: Yeah. I'm not thankful that my dad has gone in any way, shape or form, but if it

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wasn't for him dying, we would not be in the situation where we are, where

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we can get out of this, you know, this house that is physically making me sick.

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Lynxi: absolutely girl physically because of Jess memories or

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Tiara: I I have chronic migraines from this house.

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Like we've proven it. We've proven that it comes from him from this house.

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I very rarely get a migraine when I like, if I haven't been home for

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a few days now, my brain is great.

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Dean: I'm curious how your body's going to react like psoriasis wise.

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Cause. Tiara: There's so many things that I am very curious because this house

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has mold and it's never been airtight.

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And like they're fucking rats that we can never get rid of because they're fucking

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chewing through our goddamn ceiling. But anyway, no more,

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no Lynxi: I project my weird spirituality.

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guys, even just talking about it with you guys, you can tell the energy shift.

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You know what I mean? I don't know. I just feel like it's going to be a whole new, beautiful, bright chapter.

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I know everything has bullshit that comes with it, but it just seems

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like this is such the positive shift, such like the happy ending

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new chapter story for you guys. So I'm excited for it

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Tiara: Yeah, Dean: love a happy ending. Tiara: he is.

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Dean: Boom. Tiara: what I mean. No, to me, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

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Dean: Does she get, does she like photography?

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Tiara: Fuck. I'm guessing you don't

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Dean: Monte Python? Tiara: watch money. Lynxi: No, I know the only thing I know from money Python used

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to be some song and I don't even remember what one I never got into.

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Tiara: look on the bright side of life.

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That's the one most famous from them. Lynxi: I don't think

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Tiara: Oh, that's not that one. Dean: I can't remember the rest of them from spam a lot

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Tiara: Right. Dean: because yeah, they've made a musical called spam a lot.

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Tiara: Which was based on Monty Python search for holy grail,

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which was a spoof of Camelot.

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Dean: Yeah. Lynxi: I've heard

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Dean: The Lynxi: for sure. Dean: legend spoofed by.

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Lynxi: Let me see. This is going to piss me off if I can't think of it.

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sorry. I know we're recording live, but Tiara: now next week is live next week.

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Oh, The lumberjack song is that one, maybe I'm okay.

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I sleep well at night and I work all day and he wears tight

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clothes to spenders and Abrar.

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Nope. Let's Dean: and I like to pick wild flowers.

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Yeah. Tiara: sit on my face and Tell me that she loved me.

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Lynxi: I feel like I've heard you guys in that Tiara: Yeah.

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We've probably saying that one once or twice or 500 times.

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That might be the only Lynxi: I'm looking at the whole list.

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Yeah. And these are not whatever I will.

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I will fricking message you guys at four in the morning.

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Just like it's the song. Tiara: absolutely valid.

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Okay. I need to stop. Yeah. Grew up watching holy grail and then like a million years ago when we still

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collected DVDs, I had all of flying circus, which was their TV show.

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I had all the flying circus on DVD.

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Had most of their movies, not all of them.

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Holy grail, life of Brian. Meaning life

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Dean: Then they had their live at the Hollywood bowl.

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Tiara: get, I didn't have that one. But anyway, childhood you know, comedy from Nick at night, basically.

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Dean: That was always PBS for me. Tiara: maybe that was it PBS, because I watched a red dwarf on that channel.

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Dean: And then after Monte Python was faulty towers with John Cleese.

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Tiara: Right. Which I remember, but I never really watched.

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Dean: My dad watched it Tiara: Hmm. What was the Benny hill?

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Dean: any hill Tiara: yeah. Anyway, see,

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Dean: mammary. Tiara: is what we do.

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This is the conversations that have when you've been together 15 years.

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Oh, you remember that thing? Let's talk about it until we've talked about 15 years

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worth of all of the things that Dean: Wait, you know, we should talk about,

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Tiara: should we, Dean: The Boondocks, Tiara: you sure? Dean: just say, just saying, you know,

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Tiara: I guess so. Yeah. I guess we did go over all the newsy items.

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Dean: the new Z. Tiara: All right.

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So. Lynxi: Love that musical as well. Yes, let's do it.

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Tiara: All right. Before I start telling everybody about this episode, I just wanted to harken

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back real quick to our intro clip.

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That was the first Easter egg of this episode of which there

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are a million because of the movies that are involved in it.

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But that very first clip was a Benjamin button reference, which if you've

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ever seen the movie he's born like an old man and then gets younger.

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So in this case, Ruckus was born a white boy and got blacker.

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So obvious comparisons there. Dean: Yeah.

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Cause I was born black Tiara: Right.

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Dean: and I got very white. Tiara: We begin with Uncle Ruckus narrating his origin story.

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I love that. He's my name is Uncle Ruckus and this is a story of my relations

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because he always says no relation. I just love that line.

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The episode flash flashes back flashbacks, flash lashes flashback.

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That sounds weird many years in the past with a white.

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man who is rushing to the birth of his child on the fourth.

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The doctor sadly declares that the black patch on the baby's arm is an incurable

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skin disease that will spread over the baby's body and make him indistinguishable

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from a Negro horrified of that prospect.

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The man snatches the baby and runs all the way to the river where

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he's about to drown the baby, except a police patrol, swats him.

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He manages to escape and leaves the baby on a random doorstep with some money, a

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black couple Bunny and Mister ruckus come out of the house, the man flees the scene.

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Mister Ruckus: You ain't said nothing so far by my hair.

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It is so mine. I'm the first colored girl you haven't met with blonde hair.

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And one day I'm going to have eyes is blue as the summer sky.

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You ain't never in a million fucking years going to have no

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blue eyes, your hair, your down, a motherfucker to your personality.

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Ain't much to speak of either your cooking. Ain't shit.

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You ain't clean with a damn nasty bitch, but I need somebody around here.

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That's going to wash Tiara: Mister ruckus. Mister Ruckus: drawls.

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So I guess you'll be. Tiara: Mr rock Jesus Christ.

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So right off the bat, the fact that I am a child development

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psychology student whew, oh,

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Dean: That's some nagging right there. Tiara: right?

24:25

It's not nagging. It's not just like saying here's all your flaws, so nobody will

24:31

love you, but I'll take you. You're good enough for washing my shit stains.

24:35

Lynxi: Watching. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go Tiara: oh I was just gonna say they, you can, art, you can see before you even get

24:41

into the actual tail of the baby that this black woman reveres the looks of wider

24:48

woman, she wants the long blonde hair. She wants the blue eyes.

24:51

So I thought that was important to bring up.

24:56

Lynxi: Definitely. Definitely true. And then we also hear her praising, White people as like it goes on, this is a thing

25:03

I hate with people when it comes to it. Cause I wear colored contacts and I've had white and black people come at me over it.

25:09

like I always say, and I think I've even said it on this podcast, there is a good

25:13

portion of my family that has gray eyes.

25:16

That's where I got the, Ooh, I want those. So, and ran off and bought them.

25:20

And then I have blonde hair.

25:22

I'm not a blonde by any means, but I have natural blonde hair that me

25:26

and my husband used to fight about. It's there.

25:29

Y'all, it's just my genetics and it is what it is.

25:32

And I am a black girl, but it was just weird to me this whole conversation,

25:36

because this morning I had a migraine and was listening to storm Monroe's channel

25:41

and he had a woman on and they were talking about all the issues between black

25:45

women and black men and dating and just all the shit that I don't like to buy

25:50

into because I don't like when we talk in generalizations, but like the woman

25:54

was arguing about how black men prefer to date black men today, like of 20, 21,

26:01

et cetera, prefer to date white women.

26:05

And they only settle for black women if they can't get a white woman and

26:10

like this, I don't this bullshit.

26:13

Yeah. I know. I Tiara: nineties, like point of view.

26:16

Like I heard that shit back in the nineties for sure.

26:19

Lynxi: Yeah. And then people in the comments, some worse, totally agreeing with her and

26:23

others were shredding her for filth.

26:25

It was it was dark, but this conversation, it just immediately triggered me back.

26:30

And I thought, yeah. What a strange coincidence that we opened with this sort

26:34

of dynamic, in this episode? Tiara: absolutely.

26:38

And suddenly. They're going for a walk and they trip over a white baby.

26:44

It just happens to be at the doorstep. And of course, because they are good people and there's money

26:52

with this white baby there. They decide to get married and raise the baby as their own.

26:59

It's just, I'm actually curious, like how often there have been millions

27:06

of movies and books that had the premise of leaving a baby on the

27:10

doorstep to be adopted by the family that found them and all of that.

27:13

And like how much truth is actually in that, did that happen a lot back before

27:20

they started doing drop your baby off so you don't kill them kind of thing.

27:26

Lynxi: Never have I Tiara: you know what I mean? Right, right, exactly.

27:29

So that's Yeah.

27:31

Okay. That was my point. So in the present time, Ruckus finds out that his grandmother, Nellie

27:36

Ruckus will finally die any moment now and comes to Woodcrest to do so.

27:42

I'm unable to put up with her because she is just as nasty as Mister . Rec

27:48

flees to the Freeman house and amuses them with the tragedy of his childhood.

27:52

It's then revealed that his white supremacist mother Bunny Ruckus was

27:57

the one who convinced him that he was adopted and actually a great white man

28:01

suffering from a skin disease called Riva to Lego, which made him up here.

28:05

Black Ruckus was also constantly singled out for physical abuse by his adopted,

28:10

but in truth, biological father, Mister ruckus, while his mother Bunny continued

28:15

to especially teach him to be pro white.

28:20

Mister Ruckus: I had two younger brothers, my brother Daryl,

28:23

and my other brother Duran. But Mister always seem to single me out the way I would get beaten.

28:39

just having fun, but off limits and missed his house.

28:50

He reminded me of what a failure I was going to be miss.

28:54

I'm going to be a doctor when I grow up to be shit.

28:59

Tiara: Uh, okay. Here's another part where that little psychological

29:03

psychology hat like pops on slag.

29:05

Well, how much did mom do to actually do anything about it other than

29:11

just screaming and holding him? So you've got this obvious physical abuse.

29:14

You've got this obvious verbal and emotional abuse, and then you got mom

29:17

who basically just screams and snuggles him and doesn't do anything to change

29:27

the behavior or help or anything really.

29:30

And Yeah. Lynxi: Here we to get like this interesting notion, that's going

29:35

to carry it out throughout this episode of inherited trauma

29:39

and also inherited racism. Like the mom with her prey, white praise, right.

29:44

Supremacy is birthing that into Ruckus.

29:47

And then the father who has this resentment, we learn

29:50

about a little bit later. He's like taking that trauma and like spanking, you know,

29:55

is considered inherited trauma within black families and stuff.

30:00

Like we see him passing this kind of fucked up nature into Ruckus.

30:03

So just an interesting note there

30:06

Tiara: right, exactly. Lynxi: on the two different

30:08

Tiara: And Lynxi: on. Tiara: One of, I, I always wondered as we watched, as we've gone through

30:15

this series, like what made Ruckus so fucked up, you know, what made him just

30:20

the most racist black man possible.

30:24

And you know, even at this point in the episode, which is

30:29

only like 10 minutes in, right. Like you already are like, oh, okay, thank you.

30:34

No, you're like, ah, he was abused.

30:36

And he was told that it was because he was adopted or basically he

30:42

was led to believe he was told by mom, but led to believe by dad.

30:45

Like dad, let him go along with that. Um, funny enough that he blamed it on.

30:50

some psychology book that she read, but

30:53

Lynxi: It's just like you were saying too, though, about like him beating her or beating Ruckus.

30:56

I'm sorry. Like he never steps in to correct the trauma.

31:00

You know what I mean? So like here he was thinking the kid and being, you know, a horrible father.

31:05

She does nothing about it, but cry and scream here.

31:08

She is fucking him up teaching himself hate and white supremacy.

31:12

And the father does nothing, but you know, until this episode

31:15

and standby and watch it. And I think it's important.

31:18

The show took a moment to emphasize what you were just explaining though

31:22

about like how fucked up Ruckus is.

31:25

Like we get like grandad and Riley and Huey's reaction to damn, oh my God.

31:30

Like I knew, you know, I don't like you, but that's horrible.

31:34

Dean: now I have a thought. Do you think so Darrell and Darrell didn't get in trouble like Ruckus did.

31:44

Mister Ruckus was constantly, you know, whether it was the clan or place or

31:50

whatever be beaten by white people Bunny.

31:54

Tiara: but we about that yet in the Dean: No but here, you know, Bunny is telling Uncle that he's white.

32:01

Do you think that Mr then is saying, well, if she sees him as

32:04

white, I'm going to treat them like, I want to treat white people.

32:08

Tiara: think I think basically the, that Mister rucker is by the end of

32:12

the episode, makes it very plain. That the reason why he hates Ruckus is because he thinks that by the birth

32:17

of this baby, that it totally ruined his life and that he was never able

32:20

to be something because of this baby.

32:23

And that's a very fucking common thing in children born, you know, quote unquote out

32:29

of wedlock because, you know, they were supposedly they got married, you know,

32:35

in, in Bunny's eyes, they got married to adopt this beautiful white baby, but

32:40

in dad's eyes, it was a shotgun wedding. So.

32:44

That's where I don't think he gave a shit that whatever mom did with

32:48

Ruckus, I think he just didn't want to have anything to do with that kid.

32:52

And when he would, when Ruckus would appear in front of him, he would hit him.

32:57

It wasn't, there was no, um, it had nothing to do with him being white.

33:03

It was, he fucking hated that kid. What kicked him out at seven, so

33:08

Lynxi: And I think they get into it too though. And in a roundabout way again, not because he thinks he's white

33:14

or believes any of that nonsense. When one of the brothers, I think, I don't think either one of us

33:18

picked this clip, maybe I did. I'm not sure starts talking about how maybe he was so hard on them because

33:25

it's a hard world for a black man.

33:27

Like I know friends of all races who have dealt with abuse in their households,

33:35

and this is typically and still have relationships with their parents.

33:38

But this is typically what it always falls back to is oh, we're

33:43

immigrants or, oh, you are a woman.

33:46

It's always the story of I needed you to understand how hard the world is and data

33:50

that's, it y'all inherited trauma, but I'm sorry, I won't keep us hung up on that.

33:57

Dean: That's all right. Tiara: No, it's totally okay. I'm.

34:01

Dean: And that's what this episode is about. It's about abuse.

34:03

So Lynxi: Yeah. Dean: and how it affects people. So, yeah.

34:05

Tiara: dad used to joke, okay. This was a joke.

34:08

My dad used to joke that he only hit me once.

34:11

And then he would say once, cause it taught me my lesson and that's,

34:16

that was normalized, you know?

34:19

And that was if, you know the backstory, it is, I don't want to say it's

34:22

justifiable, but you're like, okay.

34:26

You bit him. So because basically that's what happened.

34:30

Um, but but Yeah. like he would tell me stories.

34:34

And so like in his own way, he was trying to break that cycle.

34:37

I know because that was the only time he ever lost his temper physically.

34:41

But he would tell me stories about, you know, going up back

34:44

and cut it, cutting a switch. And, you know, having certain punishments that were basically just

34:51

you know, taking away your shoes for a month or, you know, things like that.

34:55

I'm like, wow, that's fucked. So like in his own way, he was trying to break that cycle true.

35:03

But he also had massive. PTSD, probably some complex PTSD too.

35:08

But instead of doing anything really about that, it was the eighties and he had beer.

35:15

So like this family dynamic with Ruckus, I wish any of it feels surprising or

35:28

like outrageous, like my own trauma is minor compared to some of the shit

35:32

that I heard that I've had my students tell me or kids that I've worked with

35:36

tell me that they've lived through. So you know, I can spot these parents mile away.

35:40

Sure. They're shitty ass parents who are going to create very predictable

35:43

outcomes for their children. They're in this case, they're very lucky that two out of their three children are

35:49

quote unquote functioning in society. Whereas Ruckus is working what he said, 47 jobs.

35:55

And none of them can afford him more than just a shack on the edge of town.

35:59

I don't know, just it's all tied in together

36:03

anyway. Lynxi: Yes.

36:05

I could keep going, but I'm like, we're going to, we're going to unwrap this whole episode before we, before we get through this

36:12

Tiara: Right. Lynxi: Sally. Tiara: All right.

36:14

So at the end of the story Nelly, a grandma is furious about Ruckus, leaving

36:20

her alone in the shack and invades the Freeman household to die in the comfort

36:25

of Robert's recliner, Uncle Ruckus, his family then comes to the Freeman residence

36:29

to see her die, overjoyed, to reunite with her long lost son, Bunny, who now

36:35

has those blue contacts tells Ruckus that all good things tells Ruckus all the good

36:41

things going on in his brother's lives. Excuse me.

36:44

One of them working for and getting promoted by a white boss, the other

36:48

one, running his own business and getting married to a white woman who

36:52

had his name tattooed on her white boob, her white Tatee like to Ruckus.

37:04

That is like the pit of me right there.

37:06

You got a white woman to tattoo your name on her boob.

37:10

Whoa. So Ruckus is overjoyed and proud of them until his bitter father insults him

37:16

for accomplishing nothing in his life. Making him out to be not white, but a Mexican in his anger.

37:24

He reveals that Uncle Ruckus is adoption and revert.

37:26

Allego was a lie that Bunny had made up to improve.

37:30

Uncle's. Mister Ruckus: I don't hate you.

37:32

Cause you adopted. I hate you. Cause knocking up your mama killed my chance to meet every expense in a

37:38

single moment I'm having is all Joe. I thought her rest of my damn life ain't he don't listen to him.

37:42

After that, it was more and more hungry.

37:45

Niggas miles of me, all my big plans gone right down the shitter.

37:49

I work my life away for these damn crackers.

37:51

Still couldn't make my ends meet. Now you leave the white man out of it.

37:55

Shut your ass up Bunny. I'm sick of you telling him that, that goddamn white man all the time, man.

38:00

One of them, we have a shit van here.

38:02

You, huh? Can't do it. Okay.

38:04

Look at what you did. Oh, my kid had some damn Uncle Tom and you the worst of black

38:10

food hazing sell so much. He can't even see what's in front of him in the mirror.

38:13

Just another black nigger like that arrest

38:19

you. The reason why I say the name rockers.

38:23

No relation. Lynxi: I'm trying not to laugh,

38:29

Tiara: Right. There's there's so much.

38:34

Lynxi: To unpack. Tiara: it's, like I said earlier about, you know, that Mister rutgers is basically

38:41

feels that Uncle Ruckus ruined his life and basically created the circumstances.

38:48

You know, gave him more kids. Basically, I had to marry your mom cause a knocked her up.

38:53

And then, because we were married and I got to do what I wanted to do.

38:57

We had more kids because at the time there was no way to really stop that.

39:01

Well, I had birth control right in the fifties.

39:04

Right. When did the birth Lynxi: They definitely did it.

39:06

They had birth control in the 18 hundreds

39:09

Tiara: Right. There was all kinds of, but like the birth control pill was in the sixties though.

39:12

Right. Okay.

39:15

So that's also, you know, again, a totally, I don't want to say a totally

39:22

normal thing, but for that boomer generation, it's a totally normal thing.

39:27

You know, you got caught knocking up the girl down the street, you're

39:31

going to marry her and you're going to stay married and it doesn't

39:34

matter if you like each other or not. You're going to stay married and,

39:38

Um, Lynxi: Oh And I think I

39:42

Tiara: good. Lynxi: it on this Patty. My mom had, I think 13, my mom is one of 13 and my dad is one 15.

39:49

Now there were some like deaths in there, but that's why my family is so fricking

39:52

huge because my parents are a little older than most of my friends, parents.

39:58

So their parents. I'm from an older generation and y'all, they were popping out babies like,

40:06

Tiara: yeah my dad's side of the family too. He was a.

40:12

There were, there are seven.

40:16

Uh, let's see, there were seven walkers that I could name off the top of my

40:20

head, but I have been told without any specific proof that there is another who

40:26

passed for white in the late forties. And basically cut off the family.

40:30

So theoretically, there's another one out there.

40:32

And one of my Uncles had a lot of kids.

40:36

I don't know what how many at this point I should actually check

40:39

in with my cousin about that. Cause he was trying to find all of them.

40:42

So yeah, and then there's my dad.

40:45

Like my dad had one kid, my my aunt Juanita had one kid.

40:50

My UFA had one kid and then all the rest had a bunch of I've seriously.

41:00

I've never met most of my dad's family. It's kind of sad, but I've met few because Facebook.

41:06

Oh that's a fun sound. Lynxi: Sorry, the cat was crying.

41:10

I don't you guys her. So I told him her husband come get her crying loudly, but yeah, that is nuts.

41:17

And they're going to find you through ancestry or whatever.

41:19

All these DNA services just fucking wait

41:23

Tiara: I am. Lynxi: longer be Tiara: I did actually try to get my dad to do one of those kits before

41:30

he died like a few years before, but I am going through his stuff.

41:33

I found it. completely still sealed of course but I did it and you know, I'm hoping

41:39

more on my dad's side of the family. Well, lots on my mom's side, crazy how spread out that

41:45

became, I was not expecting that.

41:50

So, yeah. Lynxi: Interesting. Tiara: Eh, let's see, where was I adopted?

41:58

Yeah. And the cog, the cognitive dissonance that Ruckus just like clings to,

42:04

because this just has to be real.

42:06

There's no way I can be a D I can be related to that man by blood.

42:10

No way. That's his whole no relation thing.

42:16

Just it's all about not actually being related to that man.

42:21

So Lynxi: I totally, I keep looking to make sure I'm not like I'm like commenting

42:26

on things before we get to them, Tiara: right. I'm trying do that too.

42:32

Lynxi: Keeling drama. Like it's crazy to me.

42:35

I know. And they touch on it towards the end, but it's crazy to me.

42:39

Like you can't just be like, okay, this is the way my parents always did things.

42:45

And so is the way I'm going to do it. This is what my parents, I remember one of my aunties did tell me, like

42:51

we were part native American and I can remember being little and my mom

42:54

saying, don't you ever repeat that shit?

42:57

Because you know, many black people do that.

43:00

And she was you know, don't get into that.

43:03

Don't get into that. But I guess that is one of those things to be closer to whiteness

43:07

that was passed around in my family. And yet there is a tiny bit there in DNA, but not enough for, you know, my auntie

43:15

to be telling me that kind of shit. So at some point you have to like, look at the facts and do your own healing

43:21

or question the shit that you've been taught, or that's been passed down.

43:25

And like for Ruckus to be this grown ass, 50 something year old Mae and

43:31

have this, you're not my father I'm adopted, you know, moment.

43:36

It's kinda like brah, but a lot of people do and I'm not trying to judge

43:40

or hate on y'all, but a lot of people do get into their forties and fifties

43:43

and have these kinds of moments of oh,

43:48

Tiara: Yeah. Lynxi: I'll say it quick.

43:50

My mom always told me my favorite Uncle.

43:54

Let's delete favorite. One of my uncles who passed away recently he called her, she said

44:02

they didn't speak for a few years. And they were like the closest of the siblings.

44:05

They didn't speak for a few years because he would call her, you

44:10

know, every week and just talk quickly and get off the phone.

44:13

But she said one of those phone calls each month was always him talking about what

44:18

horrible, abusive and neglectful parents.

44:20

They have that and that their mother was the worst.

44:23

So abusive. She was so abusive. She was so selfish.

44:26

My mum said, one day, she just said to him you have got to get,

44:28

you have got to let this go. You got to let this go.

44:31

You are 60 something years old, let it go.

44:34

And he cursed her out and slammed the phone down.

44:38

And he was just like, bro, you are 65 plus years old.

44:42

You know, stop it because when people know better, they do better and all that,

44:45

which we're going to get into later. But it reminds me of this clip with the whole, you're not my father's stuff

44:51

like, man, gotta let that shit go. Tiara: Absolutely.

44:54

I actually real quick to your point about the the native American blood

44:58

thing, um, one of the things that I've actually found out which is very

45:03

funny to me, so my grandmother was registered as a member of the chocolate.

45:07

I do not have enough native American blood in me for my grandmother

45:10

to have been as native American. She was registered as however, when it comes to the Choctaw, I have discovered

45:17

that there was, there were a lot of freed slaves that were made members that

45:22

were named members when they were freed because the Choctaw would take them in.

45:27

And that was that's really cool. I don't actually have as much native blood as I thought I did,

45:31

but my grandmother was made or my great-grandmother, I have to figure that

45:37

out actually was made a full member of the tribe by the people at that time.

45:42

It would be my great great-grandmother actually Lynxi: is fricking beautiful and fascinating.

45:48

We can move on. I be watching too much YouTube, but I always, I always watch Navajo teachers.

45:52

And I know the one was saying, I don't know if they took black people into the

45:57

Navajo tribe, but he was saying that that is like the firmest law of the Navajo

46:03

culture is that you cannot own slaves.

46:05

And so a lot of people left the tribe when slavery was going on.

46:10

And I don't know. I guess they renounced their sort of faith and stuff because Navajo say,

46:14

hell no, it's the biggest atrocity you can make as a human being to

46:17

try and take possession of it. So I don't know.

46:20

It's just really cool that they took it. The Choctaw took it a step further and took people into the tribe.

46:24

I don't know, just beautiful and random

46:27

Tiara: but also you got to think that most of the Choctaw nation was

46:30

across like Louisiana and Oklahoma and places that had full on slavery.

46:36

So like Choctaw nation was a place where freed slaves could run to.

46:42

And I think that was their way of helping them not have to be

46:46

returned to their owners or whatever.

46:49

Like I still need to learn a hell of a lot more if any of our listeners

46:52

out there know any of that story. Let me know.

46:54

Cause all of this understanding that I have started with children's

46:57

books that I am still trying to find more information on.

47:01

So, Lynxi: It's beautiful. Tiara: there are some histories that just never got told.

47:06

So I'm curious anyway,

47:09

Lynxi: talk about your new YouTube channel. Moving on.

47:12

Tiara: or probably that book that I'm eventually gonna

47:14

write someday, maybe possibly. Lynxi: Yeah.

47:17

Tiara: Anyway, so after this conversation where ruckus, his dad had told him the

47:21

truth it upsets him so much that he leaves sermon tears regrouping with the Freemans

47:26

upstairs and finishing his tragic tale about how his father enraged by the verbal

47:31

abuse of his quote unquote dying mother mercilessly threw him out of the house.

47:37

And hen confusingly receiving several injuries, like the broke

47:40

teeth that he currently has bear trap that screwed up his foot.

47:45

So that explained like origin stories for some of the shit that, that is wrong

47:48

with ruckus happened in this story.

47:50

Enough, though, ruckus seems to have had a glass eyes since he was at least

47:53

four years old and they did not actually show him getting it if I'm, unless I

48:00

miss something somewhere, but he had the fake eye when he was running around

48:04

playing outside and I'm like, Hey, okay.

48:09

Anyway, Eastern. So surprisingly, this makes the Freeman's weep over the story and

48:14

feel sorry for him except Huey. Although he declared the story academy award nominated sad.

48:31

Uncle Ruckus: Uncle Rutgers. We know what it's like to have an abusive parental figure to suffer

48:35

the mental and physical abuse. Hey, this ain't about me.

48:38

Leave that alone. The endless work, clean up your room.

48:41

Take out the trash. Do your homework.

48:43

Tiara: Okay. So I took that one cause cracked me up.

48:45

Uncle Ruckus: when the whooping gon Tiara: to be fair, uh, Robert does not need to be whipping his kids that I do

48:52

not believe in corporal punishment in any way, shape or form, but the fact that

48:57

he's like making us clean our rooms and do the dishes and do our homework, I'm

49:03

like kid shut the fuck up the same thing.

49:12

Lynxi: It's the inherited trauma shit though. Again, like a lot of like now you can't spank kids anymore.

49:17

I grew up y'all I got spinning more than any of my siblings.

49:20

Cause I was just not, as you can imagine, I was mouthy and my mom would say douchey

49:25

and I would be like, when I'm ready I used to, I was such a bad kid that

49:30

like I used to, well, she was extremely strict and I was extremely rebellious.

49:34

I used to run to the stairs when she was going to spank me so that I could

49:37

throw myself down the stairs and accuse her of like, you're abused.

49:42

was such a little Tiara: Wow. Lynxi: dead serious.

49:45

But yes. They already told us about like how I dealt with that kind of trauma

49:50

or whatever it looks like in my little pill, alarms going off. But she again with my uncle always calling her and saying

49:56

like how abusive their mother was.

49:59

My mom had told me in passing and I know I shouldn't be telling her

50:01

business because she hates that shit. How her mom, if you were going to get spanked, if you didn't like do the laundry

50:06

correctly, she said her mom would grab anything nearby and just start going

50:10

to town on frying pans, broomsticks, you know, all that kind of stuff.

50:15

But then. Eighties, nineties, people were spanking their kids.

50:20

And not just black people, white people too. It's that inherited.

50:23

It used to be okay to whack a kid around a little bit.

50:26

And so we just pass the shit on down and now it's finally okay, we can't

50:30

spank our kids, or we don't say that we spank our kids in public and this kind

50:34

of stuff, the narratives is changing.

50:36

And I do agree with you. I don't see myself having been spanked, ever speaking a kid because

50:42

it just felt so wrong as a child.

50:45

You know, sometimes listen, I used to ask to get spanked by the end, after

50:48

she stopped making me, I'd be like, can't you just make me so I can play

50:51

Nintendo, no, go sit in your room.

50:53

And I hated that shit worse. So there are other things you can do besides being

50:57

physical child and passing on

51:00

Tiara: And using punishment or using physical punishment as a consequence of

51:06

something that a kid did is only going to teach them that a physical consequences.

51:11

Okay. Basically whether or not physical consequence is a smack upside, the head

51:16

or a smack on the ass or going out and cutting the switch or, you know, whatever.

51:20

If you are just, again from somebody who has raised hundreds of other

51:27

people's kids, you know, if you are assigning a consequence that is

51:33

so negative, that you can actually traumatize them, AKA hitting them.

51:39

There are kids that will be fine. There are kids that, that will just slide off their bag and there'll be like,

51:44

whatever bitch she didn't teach me shit. There'll be kids who will be so fucking traumatized that they will never be

51:52

able to have a relationship without some kind of physical aspect to it like that.

51:57

And I'm not saying that in a kink sort of way, because a lot of that shit

52:00

does show up in kinks, not kink shaming in any way, but usually at least in

52:08

most kink circles that I know that is approached in a healthy way, when you are.

52:15

Traumatized. And you are working through your trauma.

52:18

in an unhealthy way. You're not going to be doing things like having the best

52:22

communication with your partner. You're just going to be screaming at them.

52:25

Or, you know, you might be you might not hit them, but you might throw

52:29

things at them or you might make them feel like you're going to hit them.

52:31

And that was the thing that my dad would do. Would just basically make me feel like he was gonna hit me.

52:36

And that was enough because that was fucking scary.

52:41

My dad was six foot something 300 and something pounds from the time I was

52:45

very little, you know, he worked on the railroad before he was injured.

52:49

So he was a very, very strong man and he made a point.

52:53

He was not going to hit me, but he wanted to that's that's not better.

53:00

Lynxi: Sure Tiara: It's one of those things, like if you want to teach your child to do

53:05

something, don't enforce the negative, enforce the thing that they're doing,

53:10

that you want them to do, you know, make them feel like they want to do

53:14

that thing because it makes you happy.

53:16

Or because, you know, the quote unquote consequences are positive.

53:21

You know, I. tell me, I would tell my students all the time, there's always going to be a

53:27

consequence to whatever action, whatever decision you make, there will always

53:31

be a consequence, but it is up to you. Whether that consequence is a positive one, , I just finished my homework.

53:38

So I get to play an hour of video games. That's my positive consequence.

53:42

I didn't do my homework. So I don't get to play video games.

53:44

There's your negative consequence. There doesn't need to be a hit, you know, make it a logical thing.

53:49

They did something wrong. Yeah.

53:52

So anyway, Lynxi: And to add onto what you're saying and just a quick add on y'all.

53:58

It's not just physical because I'll, I will give my parents credit for that.

54:02

Never was I ever called out of my name or put down or call stupid ever.

54:08

I have had friends whose homes I'm not even black friends,

54:11

white friends all races. I've been at their house and heard the way their parents would speak to them.

54:16

And I would just be like, you've gotta be kidding me.

54:19

Person, you're a fucking idiot. Why would you do that?

54:21

Use your fucking head. Don't think?

54:24

Dah, dah, dah, dah, like in front of me, you know, I'm like the

54:27

little I'm just here visiting, you know, that shit is nuts to you.

54:31

Don't need to do that shit to your kid. You're leaving scars and all kinds of things that, you know,

54:37

don't know what you're doing. And I've seen it with other kids, friends.

54:42

I know who have kids or whatever. I've seen the way their kids internalize that shit.

54:47

And then we'll say shit to me. Like not to me, or I hear them say in passing you know, oh, I know I'm stupid.

54:52

And I'm just like, no, don't fucking say that shit.

54:55

Like, where are you getting that? But then you think, oh, I heard your father or whoever yell at you and call

55:01

you fucking stupid and ask use your head, that's where they're getting it.

55:07

child don't verbally abuse either.

55:10

Tiara: Don't do any of it. Like

55:13

emotional Lynxi: And I know I don't have Tiara: is abused.

55:16

There's so many there. Oh, God.

55:19

Cause that's, you know, whole nother hour. We don't need to go into right now, but if I,

55:22

Lynxi: that's a whole nother hour. I'd love hear you speak to that.

55:26

Not all, but a lot of these fucked up people you meet in these streets,

55:30

that's where it fucking came from. Tiara: yeah.

55:33

Yeah. All Right?

55:37

Let's see. Oh, I did want to say one other thing.

55:40

When ruckus was complaining about, you know, there's no way that

55:43

I can be related to that, man. We don't even look alike.

55:45

Like I laughed. Oh, fucking hard.

55:48

Because ruckus and Darryl and DRL look like they could be triplets when one just

55:54

had a much worse life than the other. You know what I mean?

55:59

Like ruckus looks a little road hard, but.

56:05

They Lynxi: Yeah. I that when we were thinking about white people questions, that was

56:10

almost one that I submitted because I always get, like I said, my siblings

56:13

are very different shades of color.

56:16

So I've had people ask us like, oh, you guys have the same dad?

56:20

Yes, we have the same fucking parents.

56:22

Not that, you know, whatever black people just cut many shades that I hate when

56:25

people say oh but you guys don't look alike, but you're different colors,

56:29

white people, black people, whatever. It fucking matter.

56:32

You don't have to look like your fucking siblings.

56:35

Tiara: well, not only that too, Lynxi: sorry. Tiara: no, no, that's actually a really valid point.

56:40

Like when I was really little, my mom would constantly get

56:46

harassment basically of people thinking that she wasn't my mother.

56:49

Um, now if you put my baby picture next to my mother's baby picture, we look Exactly.

56:54

alike. I'm just a brown version. And with my dad's nose, definitely of my dad's but like there, there

56:59

is no way that we're not related. If you met us today at 60 something and 42, like we still, you can see

57:09

that, especially here on the phone.

57:11

Anyway people don't, people do not come out.

57:16

Carbon copies. Like you're not, if siblings look alike.

57:20

Cool. That means one of you has really strong genes that were really dominant over

57:24

everything else, but that's not everybody.

57:27

And you know, if you have more than two kids, the chances are, one of them

57:32

is going to look nothing like you. Cause it's all your recessive genes or something.

57:38

Lynxi: Exactly. And even like you were just saying though, with you and your mom where the

57:41

resemble blends is so strong, that color slight color variation is such a wall of

57:49

disbelief that they just can't get over.

57:52

Oh, where did she come from? you babysit,

57:55

Tiara: do you adopt? Oh man.

57:58

I used Lynxi: we Tiara: used totally bullshit that when I was a

58:01

Lynxi: school. Tiara: Yes. Right.

58:06

The blue eyes, brown eyes graph from was that biology probably

58:10

like back my freshman year. I still remember Lynxi: Yeah.

58:14

Tiara: I know there's some kind of specific name for that, but anyway

58:16

and you know, I'd just like to, yeah.

58:19

Okay. So ruckus, his brother, Darryl finally comes upstairs to announce that Nellie

58:24

has died on Robert's recliner while all of this was going on, upsetting Robert,

58:29

that she had to die on his living. He then basically says that he wants the chair destroyed by chainsaw.

58:35

As the family leaves the house Bunny reaffirms that ruckus is indeed

58:39

adopted and white disclaiming MREs confession with remark that we

58:43

darkies are a mess basically saying it's good thing that you're white,

58:47

you know, because we're terrible. The next day ruckus is seen working at the graveyard and is

58:54

greeted by his brothers who help him dig their grandmother's grave.

58:58

Uncle asks, MREs asks about misters hatred of the world.

59:09

No reason. Uncle Ruckus: But I never could understand what Highland

59:12

Lynxi: That's exactly why it Y'all that it's kind of a skew from the episode.

59:17

Right. But it's that angry black woman, angry black man sort of, this

59:22

stereotype, whatever you want to call it, we have reasons.

59:26

Okay. Tiara: right. Lynxi: We can go the story.

59:29

Tiara: But it's, just funny that his brothers obviously had longer

59:34

with dad because ruckus was thrown out of the house so young.

59:38

But so, so the, the, his younger brothers were able to grow up

59:43

and see the reality of how the white world treated their father.

59:48

So that. His brothers are revealing their father's backstory.

1:00:00

Uncle Ruckus: No uncle is true. Every time Mister went out into the war, the white man took a little more of his

1:00:05

dignity and his sanity and his humanity.

1:00:09

He playful fifth, whole lake.

1:00:14

Even for the police department at the practice dummy,

1:00:23

sometimes they were just abuse him for no reason.

1:00:26

Good job by Well, he must have done some, it just ain't in the white man's

1:00:44

Lynxi: There's, There's, so much can talk about here as well.

1:00:47

I picked it because I just was like, oh, this is a good example of how, like,

1:00:50

you know, we're talking about heritage trauma throughout episode and families,

1:00:56

but it's not just restricted to families. It also relates to society and we see that in the treatment of Mister

1:01:03

Tiara: and that it's not one. It's not just one white person.

1:01:06

It's every white person, basically that. Mister Encountered was physically abusive and terrible, terrible human beings.

1:01:16

Lynxi: Absolutely. And then for ruckus to say, he must have done something.

1:01:20

This is like, this thing we'd see online. Like any time someone is wrongfully murdered by the police,

1:01:25

we don't know the full story. We don't know.

1:01:27

We need to, we need to get the full story. Well, Tiara: We need both sides.

1:01:32

Lynxi: Yeah. Like it always comes down to that shit like, oh, because the white man's nature

1:01:37

is not to ed grew up for no reason. Now why people are going to trying to come at you.

1:01:40

I sound like Trump. I'm not going you. But, uh, we look at oral history, yo pretty aggressive with that

1:01:51

colonization saying, and that's

1:01:57

kind of cruel for no reason. Tiara: There, there have been I would say the majority of cruelties in the country

1:02:06

that we currently live in, the continent that we currently live on, I would say

1:02:12

the majority of the big atrocities have been descendants of white settlers.

1:02:20

And what's the word explorers, uh, not th that they're all fully white

1:02:25

or whatever, but just that, you know, religion, let's just go with religion.

1:02:33

How many wars have been fought on the basis of.

1:02:36

Of a white, Uh,

1:02:39

quote-unquote wine, white religion, you know, when, once it started becoming

1:02:45

you know, this is European only, or we are going to turn everybody who is

1:02:50

any other religion we're going to like that's 90% of colonization right there.

1:02:53

It was because of religion, Lynxi: absolutely.

1:02:56

Will say, as I was arguing this on Twitter the other day, it was the

1:03:00

tool of religion was used as the is what we're doing, but just still,

1:03:05

your point stands strong and valid. So yeah.

1:03:09

Tiara: yeah. Let's talk about them crusades, where they had, twelve-year-olds going out to fight

1:03:13

their wars, why to kill all the Islams.

1:03:16

What Dean: 12 junior 12 year old back then that's like being 49

1:03:21

Tiara: Very true. You were probably married by 12. Well, if you were a girl, you were married by 12

1:03:26

Dean: and had. Tiara: 13.

1:03:31

Lynxi: Damn. Tiara: Yeah.

1:03:38

So, Darryl comments that their father abusing them was perhaps

1:03:43

his misguided way of trying to toughen them up for a tough world.

1:03:47

No, it was just him getting angry from all of his terrible treatment

1:03:51

and choosing one person to inflict all of that anger on then at the funeral.

1:03:59

Mister Again, acts inappropriately sickening ruckus to the point where

1:04:02

he stands up to him, accusing Mister

1:04:05

of abusing him because Nellie abused him as a child to wreck his declares that

1:04:09

Mister's attitude to them is getting old and snaps at him to get it all out of your

1:04:14

system and sit down and shut the fuck up.

1:04:17

Shocking everyone at the funeral, including ruckus himself.

1:04:21

Mister Becomes furious and attempts to beat his son with a bottle, but the

1:04:26

constant beatings he took from the past flare up, exclusively in his back, where

1:04:32

he took the most abuse and he ends up falling into his mother's empty grave,

1:04:36

breaking his neck and killing himself and fulfilling Nellie second wish that

1:04:41

Mister would reach her grave before her technically the wish was unfilled

1:04:46

because she meant that she wanted her son to die before she did, but he actually

1:04:51

made it into the grave before she did. Lynxi: FinTech

1:04:55

Tiara: It's so fucking ridiculous. Like Nelly blamed Mister for ruining her life.

1:05:02

So then when Mr had a kid, his first kid that, you know, that ruined his life,

1:05:08

it's just that cycle over and over again.

1:05:11

Lynxi: Yes, ma'am inherited trauma.

1:05:14

it. If you don't break it, it'll den.

1:05:17

Tiara: Then suddenly bunny is overjoyed now that she can

1:05:21

finally marry her white lover. Uncle ruckus is sorry that his father never learned to love the white

1:05:27

man and the Freeman's walk home.

1:05:29

Robert satisfied to see the end to the end, to the tragic ruckuses story.

1:05:40

Uncle Ruckus: I never thought I'd say this, but our family

1:05:43

isn't as messed up as a thought. I feel great.

1:05:45

I saw a story that moved me mostly. Yeah, me too.

1:05:48

I hate to beat him and I've learned my lesson.

1:05:51

I see. I've been too soft on you guys all this time from now on.

1:05:54

I'm really going to let you have it. I'm fin to give y'all some of them.

1:05:57

Good. Old fashioned cooking. Beaten. Come here.

1:06:03

I'm going to hit you with a Tiara: Why you ain't Uncle Ruckus: or something bigger than a sweet, like some firewood.

1:06:07

throw you out into the field. out of a movie car.

1:06:10

Tiara: Yeah. This is what we talked about in our pre-show a little bit.

1:06:13

Jesus, and that granddad, like his takeaway from all of this

1:06:16

is I should beat you more. Yeah.

1:06:19

Lynxi: Yes. And even though he's joshing and joking, it also goes back to the clip

1:06:24

you were talking about with Riley. Oh, we don't know when the next feeding is going to come from.

1:06:29

If we have to wash the dishes or do our homework and get you to do.

1:06:32

And we have seen that Greg does spank the boys several episodes.

1:06:37

So this clip, that's why this clip to me is funny because we all do this shit.

1:06:41

Like I said, I was spanked as a kid, but I would go to friend's houses and

1:06:46

hear their parents talking to them like shit, which I never experienced.

1:06:50

And I would be like, damn, you know, I've got it way better than Nicole.

1:06:55

I'm just making up a name, you know, like that. So that's shit.

1:06:58

So you can't sit here though, and I always say compare pain.

1:07:01

Like you shouldn't do that. Just say, yo spanking is fucked up.

1:07:05

Hitting is fucked up and let's just leave it there.

1:07:07

Verbal abuse is fucked up and let's leave it. There do not fall in this trap of looking at other people's fucking

1:07:12

trauma and saddling up on your soapbox or high horse because it's not yours.

1:07:18

And that's where the next clip is going to come.

1:07:20

And I think as well, Tiara: Yeah. So let's get to that.

1:07:24

So later on reca spins goodbye to his family and has some final thoughts.

1:07:35

Uncle Ruckus: At hardcore escape becoming your parents hard, but not empire.

1:07:40

Hopefully it's easy. I, one day you're adopted, I hadn't realized how much my hate fit of the Negro

1:07:46

came from my hatred of Mister maybe it was time to stop hating niggas for being black

1:07:51

and start having sympathy for them, for being hopelessly inferior to white folks.

1:07:56

But as far as docket go, my adoptive family right.

1:08:00

Lynxi: here, but I'll start with where I left off with the last clip,

1:08:04

which is, like I said, you can't look at other people's drama and then

1:08:07

assume that you're sort of better because you didn't experience it.

1:08:11

And in this clip, I think we see even on this podcast each week, we've talked

1:08:14

about how horrible ruckuses, how much, how awful he is, how disgusting he is.

1:08:19

But now we get the backstory and a lot of it is it's made for us to

1:08:23

understand and give him sympathy. Like this man was abused.

1:08:27

Like you said, had a glass eye at the age of three or four.

1:08:30

So it's oh yeah, I guess we should have some empathy and some sympathy and just

1:08:36

not, don't be so cruel and uncertainty.

1:08:42

People as uncle ruckus has been to black people without taking the time

1:08:46

to consider, they might have a story. There might be a re two.

1:08:50

I, Jake is so fucking fucked up or manipulative or narcissistic

1:08:56

or whatever, you know, Tiara: all of those things in adults came from somewhere.

1:09:01

Yup. Dean: And also that kind of, for me, this kind of ties back into.

1:09:05

Brown when ruckus was talking to her in the restaurant and she's you know,

1:09:10

all this stuff is reprehensible, but it makes me reflect back on myself

1:09:14

and think of myself more critically.

1:09:17

So I th I think that both those kind of tie in together.

1:09:21

Tiara: Yeah. Yeah.

1:09:25

I, it, I think that at the base, yes that all of that is true.

1:09:31

I also though, am the kind of person that if you have gotten to your

1:09:40

fifties and you are still all up in all of this fallenness, that's your

1:09:47

choice more than your upbringing.

1:09:50

You know, that your life was shit by this point.

1:09:53

And you know, that you probably have some unhealthy coping mechanisms or

1:09:58

reactions to things or whatever, because of the shit that you've been through,

1:10:02

you should go to fucking therapy. Um, and if therapy is not available to you for whatever reason,

1:10:08

because it's cost preventative.

1:10:10

Most of the time to a lot of people, you know, there are support groups out

1:10:15

there, there are online forums where you can find people who can help you out.

1:10:18

there are ways to work through that fucking trauma without

1:10:22

just being a nasty human.

1:10:25

Lynxi: Totally agree. Totally agree.

1:10:27

Tiara: So Lynxi: But that's why I always say everyone's responsible for your

1:10:31

own healing and it's never too late to heal, but I'm with you.

1:10:34

Like I say, around 25, I stop giving a pass.

1:10:43

And even, I know for many people it's before that, it's like when

1:10:45

you become conscious of your choices and like you were explaining earlier

1:10:48

out consequences, once you can grasp that, it's come on buddy.

1:10:52

There really is no excuse. You should start doing your healing even here though in ruckuses, you know,

1:10:59

monologue at the end, we can see he has started, right just by standing

1:11:03

up to his father and this shit. He has started down the path, but there are so many inherited

1:11:11

pieces of shit that are still floating around his consciousness.

1:11:14

Like. Oh, I should have sympathy for black people because they are so

1:11:19

hopelessly inferior to white folks. You're still, still running with the white supremacy.

1:11:23

You and you inherited something else.

1:11:25

He said, oh, I have, oh, how much of my hatred came from my dad.

1:11:29

Okay. Okay. You're starting. Right. You're starting to unpack it, but honey, you got a long way

1:11:34

to go in at this old, old age.

1:11:37

Tiara: What do you think about the fact that this season we've

1:11:41

seen ruckus really have his first taste of liking black people?

1:11:46

There was the Ebony brown think he actually found a black woman that?

1:11:50

despite hating black women, you know, he was still like, I could marry her.

1:11:55

Um, and he's actually saying, you know, Even though my family are these

1:12:00

black people they're still okay.

1:12:03

Which is more than he's ever said about pretty much any other black

1:12:06

people ever in, in the show anyway.

1:12:09

So Lynxi: Well, his

1:12:11

Tiara: are we seeing ruckus grow?

1:12:15

Lynxi: Yeah, I think so. I think like this season, honestly, we had a lot of ruckus centric episodes

1:12:20

and like with Jimmy rebel, like they even though it was about him and Jimmy,

1:12:24

they also juxtapose that with him and granddad's kind of love relationship.

1:12:29

Definitely there and giving us also backstory into this character, very

1:12:34

ruckus heavy, I would say season three was

1:12:37

Dean: I, Tiara: the reason why a lot of people didn't like it Dean: yeah, I think, well seasoned for them, people don't like, yeah.

1:12:42

So yeah, cause this was the last season with Magruder.

1:12:45

But I think that I got to go with that.

1:12:52

Th that, yeah, I think Magruder uses ruckus.

1:12:57

And I think I brought this up before as F as a racist foil where he, if you, if

1:13:04

he'd have put a white person in there, it would have been way too much backlash.

1:13:08

I think that he would go, oh, a racist white person, but if they have

1:13:11

a racist black guy, you know, they, they could, there could be some humor

1:13:15

in that I think is where he, so he w he wanted it to not, he wanted it.

1:13:20

He wanted the message, but not to hit like a ton of bricks,

1:13:23

maybe, you know what I'm saying?

1:13:26

So if the racism is coming from Europe, Then it's not seen, if black folks had

1:13:34

watched been watching cause this is a show written for written and made by and for

1:13:38

black folks had that been a white person that had been that blatantly racist, they

1:13:43

probably wouldn't have watched the show. So as my guest

1:13:47

Tiara: black person probably knows somebody in their extended family,

1:13:50

whatever that is similar ruckus.

1:13:53

Dean: sure, Tiara: So, whereas white people watching it would be like, Ooh,

1:13:57

I got relatives like that, but Dean: Yup.

1:14:00

Tiara: don't laugh at them. Dean: They're not as cute as ruckus.

1:14:04

So, Tiara: Cute is an interesting word.

1:14:08

Dean: ruckus has, is, has his certain charm about him, I guess.

1:14:11

Tiara: Yeah. Dean: I mean, I.

1:14:14

Tiara: Yeah. So just a couple of, uh, little notes that I had that I wanted to, um, to point

1:14:22

out before we moved on to the next part.

1:14:25

Um, so there was a scene in the beginning of the episode where we saw

1:14:30

burning crosses outside of the window that Mister had to deal with, uh,

1:14:34

with all of the white people nonsense. He also, like, it was very blatant racism.

1:14:37

So I wanted to make sure that was pointed out. Um, grandma, Nelly with the switchblade in, uh, basically threatening anybody,

1:14:46

just straight Raider, straight razor. But when she threatened granddad with it, he was like ready to throw down.

1:14:51

Like they had to restrain him from beating her up.

1:14:53

I thought was hilarious. Dean: Yeah.

1:14:56

was like the first one to jump and he had to come all the way

1:14:58

across the room from the couch. Tiara: Um, let's see.

1:15:03

Uh, did you do. And then there was, oh, the trivia stuff.

1:15:10

Um, so this episode strongly references, the Steven Spielberg directed film,

1:15:16

the color purple, which both Lindsay and I picked up on immediately.

1:15:20

Um, uh, but it also has a lot of similarities to the film

1:15:24

precious, which I have to admit. I've never actually seen, we talked about this beforehand, but it's not, not the

1:15:32

kind of trauma porn that I can handle. So, um, and then the, the, joke, my brother Daryl and my other brother

1:15:41

Daryl, but it's Darryl and Darryl.

1:15:44

It's an homage to the TV show, new heart, where they had my brother

1:15:47

Daryl and my other brother, Daryl, Dean: Um, Larry, this, my brother Daryl and my other brother.

1:15:51

Daryl Tiara: uh, um, also, uh, Darryl and Darell and Uncle Rick is

1:16:01

all voiced by the same guy. Um, so I love that they did that.

1:16:05

It's just the same voice and Yeah.

1:16:09

And even Riley was crying like a baby with ruckuses story.

1:16:13

Um, even though he tried to blame it on, you know, allergies or whatever,

1:16:16

but he was, his eyes were just pouring,

1:16:19

Dean: of course, initially it was, I, I'm not, I'm not

1:16:21

going to cry cause that's gay. Tiara: Everything is everything.

1:16:27

You'd write a song, everything is gay. All right.

1:16:32

Anything else that you caught that we haven't gone over before?

1:16:36

Lynxi: Oh, no. Uncle Ruckus: Stupid questions.

1:16:59

Dean: Uh, welcome, uh, just stupid white people questions.

1:17:09

Uh, so, uh, as, uh, many folks are probably already aware, uh, the,

1:17:16

uh, the person Kyle Britain house who, uh, killed two people, shot

1:17:25

another and all these other things.

1:17:29

And, uh, he, uh, he was acquitted of all charges.

1:17:33

Um, and which, you know, uh, needless to say made lots of folks

1:17:39

very upset, uh, including, I think everybody else here on this podcast.

1:17:43

Uh, but you know, when you would argue about that online with anybody,

1:17:49

uh, especially, uh, The, uh, w how does it, the MJ says what he

1:17:59

folks say? Well, I don't know why you're upset.

1:18:03

Kyle was just defending himself. Andrew coffee also got found, not guilty because of self-defense.

1:18:10

Tiara: Yeah. So, um, if you don't follow along the news or you were watching a station that did

1:18:15

not cover the Andrew coffee trial, uh, that was basically a case of a no-knock

1:18:21

warrant and him defending himself against a perceived threat, which was a SWAT team.

1:18:27

But, um, you know, they tried to, uh, they tried to basically charge him with

1:18:32

injuries that happened during that.

1:18:35

Um, and he was acquitted rightly so.

1:18:38

Um, that is a case of a black man having a very competent attorney

1:18:42

for once, uh, in a case like this.

1:18:44

Um, and having the, the legal precedent that has been set semi-recently, uh, uh,

1:18:50

with, um, all with laws being changed.

1:18:53

Um, but the Kyle Rittenhouse one

1:19:01

without blaming anybody in particular, uh, I will say that it was very

1:19:09

obvious from the beginning that what the verdict was going to be.

1:19:15

Um, Lynxi: Yeah. Tiara: the prosecution was not.

1:19:21

As effective at their job as one would like, and I didn't watch the entire

1:19:27

trial because that hurts too much.

1:19:30

But, um, you had a judge whose phone rang in the middle of court and it was

1:19:35

a fucking song that like they played at the January six rallies and you've had

1:19:40

a judge who wouldn't let the two people murdered be referred to as victims,

1:19:47

but it was totally okay with them being referred to as looters or, um, rioters.

1:19:54

You had, um, a jury that was almost entirely white.

1:19:59

You had a lot of it comes down to the judge, in my opinion, honestly, um, I don't blame

1:20:10

that defense attorney for pulling out anything that He could think of to work

1:20:14

for his client because that's his job. Um, I do think that a judge that is run unopposed for his position for

1:20:21

the last 20 years, uh, who is very, was very obviously, um, who, who had

1:20:30

very obviously made up his decision before the trial, uh, completed.

1:20:36

I think that was the main problem in that situation.

1:20:39

Um, and the fact that in underage, oh boy, Took an illegal firearm

1:20:51

that he was not allowed to own.

1:20:55

Dean: He wasn't allowed to Tiara: He wasn't allowed to purchase, but his mother did it for him.

1:20:59

Right. Dean: Okay. So he, now what should have happened was because he gave

1:21:05

money to a friend of hers who was. Tiara: 18. Dean: In Wisconsin.

1:21:08

So his father is okay, the reason he's, he's going back.

1:21:11

He worked in Wisconsin. His father lived in Wisconsin.

1:21:13

He lives in Illinois. So that's, so that's why he's driving back and forth.

1:21:17

However, he drove over himself.

1:21:22

It has initially his mother claimed that she drove him my guess is that

1:21:26

she claimed it because he was, he does not have a driver's license.

1:21:29

So he illegally drove over.

1:21:32

Tiara: that, going across state lines Dean: No, no, no. The, the gun was already in Wisconsin, so yeah, there's buddy kept it at, uh, until

1:21:39

he could, until he could say he was 18 and half and then take possession of it.

1:21:44

And at that point he could carry a long rifle, uh, which is what, uh, that,

1:21:49

that rifle is considered a long rifle. Uh, he was allowed to, he was allowed to have that at that age.

1:21:55

He was not allowed to purchase it though. He basically that's what he did.

1:21:59

So that, I mean, his friend should have been basically, I don't know

1:22:04

what the law would be about purchasing a weapon for somebody who's not oh.

1:22:09

Of age to be able to purchase the weapon. So to me, that's something, I mean, so yeah, he, he illegally drove himself

1:22:16

across state lines, got a weapon he should not have had, uh, because he

1:22:21

was not old enough to buy it himself. He paid somebody else who illegally purchased it for him,

1:22:25

Tiara: and announced to police and whoever would listen to at this, um, at this

1:22:32

protest that he was an EMT, um, and that supposed to be there, which obviously

1:22:37

not true because he's 17 at the time.

1:22:40

Um, he instigated the fight that ended up quote, unquote,

1:22:48

being life-threatening to him. Um, he shot somebody carrying a skateboard, someone who literally

1:22:55

was doing like knew he probably was going to die because he's running

1:22:58

towards an active shooter in his mind, and this fucker is able to get off.

1:23:05

Anyway. Um, the reason why, like I had mentioned this one to Dean as a stupid white people

1:23:11

question in particular is because a lot of what I heard, um, in the days after

1:23:17

this was, uh, that the Kyle Rittenhouse case was not about race that somehow, uh,

1:23:24

this, this, you know, the shooting was not race based was not racially motivated.

1:23:31

The problem with that is that he went to a black lives matter rally

1:23:36

thinking that there would be this, this chance for him to be a hero.

1:23:41

Um, and ended up causing the, the everything that happened.

1:23:46

Um, and the fact that he was that the, the people that he attacked were

1:23:59

protesting the death of a black man. They were not there doing anything illegal on their own, either.

1:24:10

It just it's, it's ridiculous to me that people can't see

1:24:13

that that's connected to race. And then the judge wouldn't allow any of the evidence going in after

1:24:19

the fact that after he was basically let to go free, he posed with proud

1:24:26

boys and he's flashing the white power symbol all across the country.

1:24:30

And he's making a fucking documentary with Fox news the whole time.

1:24:37

Like, yeah, this

1:24:43

Lynxi: Absolutely. I think you went and hung out with, uh, Tucker Carlson well and all of

1:24:48

Tiara: Oh yeah. Tucker Carlson is the one doing the documentary.

1:24:51

So he's been hanging out with Tucker Carlson since he

1:24:54

was arrested the first time. Dean: There's also a video, uh, of, uh, so this was two weeks before,

1:25:03

before this happened, Rittenhouse and a friend were in a car watching people

1:25:07

leave CVS store across the street. Rittenhouse apparently believed the people in the store had robbed

1:25:11

it or were shoplifting written now said, I wish I had my AR I'd fire.

1:25:15

Some rounds. Tiara: He was just hoping to be able to kill somebody.

1:25:22

His whole was to go kill somebody.

1:25:27

Lynxi: I'm like they said, he said, oh, I'm a medic.

1:25:29

You were not a medic. You came there looking premeditated, looking for trouble.

1:25:35

You found trouble. And. I don't want to say lucky for you, but just because you were armed

1:25:43

with the bigger weapon you were the person kind of who came out of

1:25:48

the situation alive, except for, I know one of the victims right.

1:25:51

Was alive and testified. And so you received a pass.

1:25:56

Now, if one, the other men who I think one of them did have a gun, right.

1:26:01

Had survived and murdered Kyle Rittenhouse, w w would the

1:26:07

outcome have been the same? I kind of doubt it.

1:26:12

And also this bit of this question about like Andrew coffee, what this is

1:26:19

like, not even apples and oranges, this is like fucking apples and prime rib.

1:26:25

Like Dean: Yep. Lynxi: story.

1:26:29

One is about somebody going into instigate trouble.

1:26:33

One is about coming into somebody's space, scaring them and them truly

1:26:40

responding of fear for their lives. It is not the same story or scenario whatsoever.

1:26:47

But I do think, like, I know people were like kind of pissed off too,

1:26:51

that Joe Biden said that, you know, made his little statement about it.

1:26:56

Tiara: I, I am not a fan of Joe Biden by any means, but he was correct

1:27:03

the, what was, what happened was exactly what was supposed to happen.

1:27:07

Not that it was the right thing. Um, but technically the system worked it's if you've, if you are somebody

1:27:16

that believes in the jury trial, then the system worked, whatever the result

1:27:23

is, 12 people voted that he was not guilty, therefore he is not guilty.

1:27:29

Um, and basically Biden said, I believe that our justice system is, you know, is.

1:27:38

The best it's the tits. So, so I have to believe that this is the right thing and that those 12

1:27:44

people did the right job or did the right thing for what they believed.

1:27:49

Like, it's, it's all political bullshit, but I am absolutely one of those people

1:27:53

that's like our fucking judicial system is so fucked up that it doesn't even

1:27:57

fucking matter because again, we knew what the outcome was going to be.

1:28:00

As soon as he walked through that crowd, after shooting people with his hands

1:28:05

up, still holding the fucking AR right past cops who just let him walk on by,

1:28:09

we all knew what was going to happen.

1:28:14

Lynxi: absolutely. And I'm not like any kind of expert on this case, but from the little

1:28:18

bit I did read of it, it kind of seemed like, uh, like even the

1:28:23

prosecution kind of was like, ah, kind of throwing the case a little bit

1:28:29

Tiara: I don't know was throwing it or have you just kind of incompetent

1:28:33

or, you know, Didn't know how to get around some shit that happening.

1:28:39

Yeah. Didn't fight as hard as he probably could have.

1:28:42

Yeah, Lynxi: I, that was kinda my feeling on it and why I say like, kind of throwing

1:28:46

it, but I mean, again, I've only read certain bits about it here and there.

1:28:50

Like again, I didn't get too invested in it because like you said, we

1:28:54

already knew how this was going to go. One, two.

1:28:56

I think it is also like my thing with people, any kind of relationship,

1:29:03

whatever is that people communicate to you exactly what they want to say,

1:29:10

even if they don't blanketly state it.

1:29:14

So what they are trying to communicate is that, listen, if you guys want to get

1:29:18

out here and protest against wrongful quote, unquote wrongful shooting of

1:29:24

citizens or black people, or do your black lives, matter of protests, the

1:29:29

law is not going to be on your side.

1:29:33

If you want to be a vigilante and a looter while then any kind of trouble

1:29:37

that finds you, that's on you, that is what's kind of being communicated.

1:29:42

To me, I think. Um, so they're kind of saying like, whatever, okay, you want to go out here

1:29:47

and protest if someone with an, I'm sorry, not if someone, if a white child

1:29:51

with 47 fines should happen to find you that while that's just how the cookie

1:29:57

crumble to a bay, the law, or even, I think in the Andrew coffee case, like

1:30:02

they did say something like that, like, oh, if only he would have complied with

1:30:07

our demands or something, we wouldn't have opened fire with some kind of shit

1:30:11

like that, that they tried to use as a defense or came out with or whatever.

1:30:14

So they're just trying to reinforce this message.

1:30:17

Like you keep it up, keep protesting. Well, we're not going to protect you in any way, shape or form.

1:30:25

Dean: Yeah. Lynxi: there it is, Dean: when yeah, but it's just, like you said, it's it's, it is not

1:30:31

apples and apples to apples there. Cause if it was then the issue would have been, Kyle was at home with

1:30:37

his own gun sitting when the police knocked down the door and then

1:30:42

Tiara: knocked down the would be the Dean: well,

1:30:44

Tiara: situation because the Andrew coffee or Andrew coffee, say that?

1:30:48

Right? He didn't he didn't know that it was the place.

1:30:51

So he thought somebody was breaking So Kyle in his own house with his own gun in

1:30:56

his house, fixed someone is breaking in.

1:30:59

That would be equal. That would be apples to apples.

1:31:02

Um, whether, you know, it'd be a white person, black person, same

1:31:05

situation, whoever the, the, you know.

1:31:07

the intruder ended up being is almost irrelevant if it's the same

1:31:12

situation, the base, um, when it's the cops though, no matter what, if

1:31:16

you shoot back, you're going to be the one, uh, probably either dead or

1:31:21

Dean: I'm surprised he made it. I'm honestly surprised he made it out alive.

1:31:24

Tiara: Oh yeah. It's like Dean: Same with Brianna's yeah, Tiara: Briana Taylor's boyfriend.

1:31:27

Like how did he survive? You know,

1:31:31

Lynxi: And they tried to barge him. Dean: With his own girlfriends murder.

1:31:34

Yeah. Yeah. Tiara: And that's my point when I was, when I at the beginning of this, when

1:31:38

I went through what the two cases were basically about a lot of the stuff from

1:31:43

the Brianna Taylor case, even though.

1:31:48

Nothing really has happened, but it has changed certain laws in places.

1:31:54

And that is essentially what led to this exoneration.

1:32:00

So Dean: And I actually, I just, I was just reading a thing in Texas

1:32:04

right now, they're trying to get the governor to overturn a conviction

1:32:10

of George Floyd, which was, which happened due to a no-knock warrant.

1:32:16

Tiara: um, Texas. Dean: a posthumous overturned.

1:32:19

Tiara: I'm going to be paying attention to the Texas governor's race for sure.

1:32:23

Considering I'm not a fan of Beto, but he's, going to try it, going

1:32:27

to try it and he's going to try it. And he is he's a centrist in the same way that Joe Biden is maybe

1:32:32

a little slightly left of Biden.

1:32:34

And if he can get in Texas, like I would have faith that this country

1:32:38

might, might get through the next few years heavy on the mate.

1:32:48

Lynxi: I will leave. I'll leave it with a dark note.

1:32:50

Like I talked about earlier, I think pre-show, I was watching that, that storm

1:32:54

Monroe and her name is Cynthia G is the lady he was sitting down with and he

1:32:59

asked her something about the protest. And she said she doesn't really get into the black lives matter protest.

1:33:05

And she goes, I think by attending those protests, you are showing the, higher

1:33:11

ups or whatever that you believe in a system that has no belief in you child.

1:33:16

I was like, damn like that shit hits hard.

1:33:19

But I thought, yeah, that's Allah girl Tiara: Yeah.

1:33:22

Lynxi: Valid. Tiara: All right.

1:33:27

On that sad note, here's to our live episode next week.

1:33:35

Actually when does this episode come out?

1:33:38

Just comes out like the day before Dean: Yeah.

1:33:40

the, so this this will come up and this will come out well Patrion members

1:33:45

will come out probably tomorrow. Tiara: the same day.

1:33:48

Dean: So then yeah. Then, uh, Tiara: not a Patrion member and you, it, it's not the 30th and you're

1:33:53

not listening to it right now. You're probably going to miss our live episode, but that's okay.

1:33:57

Go listen to our live episode. Dean: yeah.

1:34:00

And that, uh, yeah. And then on the second, uh, disputed doing our last episode

1:34:04

for the year, which will be. Ellen Sarah Connor versus Ellen

1:34:08

Tiara: Ellen Ripley. which I'm super excited about because those are two of my favorite female.

1:34:15

Badass is Dean: James Cameron contestant.

1:34:20

They're both James James Cameron.

1:34:22

Tiara: but he only married one of them. Dean: Well, I know James had movies though.

1:34:27

Tiara: True story. Alright. Well, he has a habit of marrying women in his movies.

1:34:32

That's why I was joking that he only married one of them. Dean: Yeah,

1:34:35

Tiara: So anyway. All right.

1:34:39

Any final thoughts? All right.

1:34:45

Um, anybody at home who's wondering where MJ is.

1:34:49

Stuff comes up in life. We were hoping that she would make it home in time tonight to join us.

1:34:54

Uh, that's why we went ahead without her, but obviously that didn't happen,

1:34:58

but we miss her and we will have her back, uh, tomorrow, today, whenever

1:35:02

you're listening to our live episode. Lynxi: yeah,

1:35:07

Tiara: So yeah. I think that's about everything.

1:35:09

Yeah. All right. Well, we'll see you later.

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