0:00

Okay. Um, you

0:02

know, Hey, I love me a Korean hot pot. Oh,

0:11

Good. My friend left me some doughnuts

0:13

this morning at the front door. So

0:16

that was nice.

0:17

Who did that? What

0:20

was like, are you sure it wasn't a homeless person?

0:22

No, she texted me. She said, are you going to be at your store soon?

0:25

I was like, yeah, she goes, I'm leaving you doughnuts. So

0:28

was that?

0:29

donuts are always good.

0:30

I know. And I usually get doughnuts on Thursdays.

0:33

Oh, I know you often get them.

0:36

So I will often, even

0:38

after I've had breakfast, have one because my God,

0:40

they're good.

0:41

They are good. Don't tell Marty. I haven't because there's only

0:43

two in here.

0:45

There's only two donuts.

0:47

Yeah.

0:48

That's not a gift. That's a tease.

0:51

She said she brought me doughnuts,

0:53

Well,

0:54

the store.

0:55

She did not get the memo

1:09

I'm a, I'm a little confused. Um,

1:11

we are not celebrating your birthday

1:14

today. We are celebrating your birthday

1:15

Listen, I don't care. Whatever y'all want

1:17

to do. When I said,

1:19

No, no, no, no,

1:20

no, I said,

1:21

off the, was kicked off the

1:23

party committee. Well,

1:29

hence the confusion. So,

1:31

And then somebody else said, Oh no, we

1:33

need to do that. We do it for everybody else. I

1:35

said, well, you know what, you know what? Surprised me.

1:38

It's fine.

1:39

say, don't do it altogether. You just

1:41

said, we'll just postpone it.

1:43

Yeah, we can postpone it.

1:44

Yeah, so I really don't know if it's postponed

1:47

or not postponed

1:48

I don't either.

1:49

we'll find out today about 12 o'clock Won't we

1:51

Cause there are two people at, well,

1:53

just from like 10. 30 to 11. 15,

1:56

it's Allie's Hat Parade.

1:57

for the party

1:58

No! Everybody's just coming for

2:00

food anyway.

2:02

That's right. I just want free food. That's fine.

2:04

Yeah.

2:05

Joe's like, where do you want a cake from? I said, not

2:07

martini. I

2:09

love Martine.

2:10

Oh, we love

2:11

I love her cakes.

2:12

but we

2:12

I love everything. But Lord, we've had them.

2:14

from A

2:18

lot with you. Where are you going

2:20

today? You said you're going somewhere. Where are you going?

2:22

Uh, it is Allie's hat parade

2:24

at her school. Where they decorate

2:26

a hat and they do a little Easter egg hunt out in

2:28

the park next to the school. So,

2:32

um, that's where I'm going.

2:34

cute

2:37

Can she

2:37

Just,

2:38

and daddy and me today? Oh,

2:46

clip it to the side of her head. I

2:50

mean, a headband counts.

2:51

I love her.

2:52

Bunny ears.

2:53

We're doing a fascinator class. Y'all know that?

2:56

Yeah, an email went

2:56

Well, Stuart knows because he got bitter

2:58

yeah,

2:59

three seconds.

3:00

I did. I found out like, we need your

3:02

credit card to buy this stuff. I was like, what stuff

3:04

for the class? We're doing what class the

3:07

fascinator class. Has anybody told you? No.

3:10

Why would anybody tell me you just want my credit card,

3:16

which by the way, a big bag of stuff

3:18

I

3:18

just came in.

3:19

Stuart or, Well, Joe

3:21

and, um, Kilman are taking care

3:23

of it. I really don't know much about it, but it'd be fun.

3:25

I think people, you've done stuff like that

3:27

kind of haven't you in the past, Stuart?

3:29

yeah. I've made them for people. Yeah. It

3:32

will be fun.

3:33

We'll make it for more people now.

3:35

Good.

3:36

yeah.

3:36

Okay.

3:36

Email yesterday. People have already started signing up,

3:38

so that's exciting.

3:39

Oh.

3:40

Have they? Cool.

3:41

so I mentioned something the other day, in

3:43

our meeting, that there was something I wanted to tell you all about and

3:45

it was, I had to do. about the podcast

3:47

and, um, thank you for

3:50

our multiple tens, twenties, thirties, forties,

3:52

and fifties of listeners. Um,

3:55

but I wanted you to hear

3:57

where we're being listened to

3:59

Oh.

4:00

because it's, it

4:01

Okay.

4:01

will be, it's, it's interesting. So of course,

4:05

do you want to start with cities or countries?

4:08

Uh, cities, so we'll go, I'll say quote,

4:10

air quote, small, then we'll go big.

4:12

Small. Okay. Well, okay. So obviously

4:14

here we're, we are Indianapolis.

4:17

Hello to our friends there, uh, Chicago,

4:20

Louisville. Uh, there's a lot of Kentucky

4:22

areas, of course. Right. Then we have Peachtree

4:24

city, Georgia. Hey people,

4:26

Hi, people.

4:27

um, Los Angeles, California,

4:31

Las

4:31

Mm hmm.

4:33

Birmingham. let's

4:36

see. There's all kinds of things.

4:36

Now, why'd you say Birmingham? Did you say

4:39

it that way?

4:39

Did I, I don't

4:40

Yeah,

4:41

Yeah. You have to draw out the ham.

4:42

think

4:43

Birmingham.

4:45

think they would like that So I don't think it's a bad thing. Yeah

4:47

the funny thing

4:47

I love me some southern

4:49

that I edit the podcast and

4:51

really when I say edit, really,

4:54

You cut out stuff.

4:56

Well, I, try not to

4:58

You do you cut out a heavier proportion

5:00

what I say than what

5:02

Stuart says? Do you

5:03

No.

5:04

you do. Don't you you're a horrible person.

5:06

would know if you'd listen to the damn thing. Um,

5:09

ain't gonna listen

5:10

edit

5:10

I say it once I ain't got time to go back and listen.

5:12

I don't edit what we say. Um,

5:15

sometimes there, there's been a few occasions where

5:17

it did just because it was just a mess, but we talk

5:19

over each other sometimes and I've

5:21

Mm hmm.

5:22

edit that out. So I have

5:23

Mm

5:24

that. But specifically the last two weeks,

5:26

Dwayne, because you were under the weather. So I'm so thankful to

5:28

hear that you're not like that today. Um, I had

5:30

to, edit out every slurp,

5:33

hmm

5:34

um, sneeze, um,

5:37

Gulch. It was, it,

5:40

You have to edit all that out I

5:42

Yeah.

5:43

was a

5:43

feel better now.

5:44

Okay, good.

5:45

Good.

5:46

Um, okay. So Charlotte North Carolina. Oh, what I say was,

5:48

while I listen back to the podcast, I hear me

5:50

say things and I'm like, is that how I said that?

5:52

Like, I don't, that's not how I say it in normal

5:54

life. So why do I say it

5:56

In a bitter condescending way.

5:58

Just like, what the hell was I doing? Um,

6:01

You need to listen to yourself more.

6:03

um, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh. Arlington,

6:05

Texas, Dallas, there's,

6:08

there's more. I'm just kind of kicking over Sag Harbor, um,

6:11

Columbus, Ohio, um,

6:14

Atlanta, Nashville. Okay. So we're, we're, we're,

6:16

we are well represented across

6:18

the

6:18

pretty fun.

6:19

very

6:20

awesome.

6:20

Um,

6:21

God this is a limited, um, series

6:23

of podcasts.

6:24

telling yourself that, um, Uh,

6:27

Denver. I'm trying to see if I can find like the farthest one,

6:29

but I'm sure it's, um, but then, okay, so the, now

6:31

we'll get to the countries we

6:34

Which is unusual.

6:35

I know this was what really blew my mind. This is the whole reason

6:37

I wanted to tell you we have listeners, of course, in the United

6:39

States. What would, okay. We

6:41

have listeners in Germany. So

6:45

That's true. Do

6:46

I have my friend Sarah's there. Hey,

6:47

you have a cousin named Jeremy?

6:50

I know I have a friend, a college friend who

6:52

now lives there that I love

6:54

to death. And but there's more listeners

6:56

than just her. We are in the United

6:58

Kingdom. We have listeners from

7:00

Hungary.

7:03

Wow. Wow.

7:07

Brazil, Guatemala,

7:12

I like how you say that.

7:13

I have one thing to say. Truvie,

7:18

we're a chain!

7:21

My question was, where the hell did they find

7:23

us?

7:24

Well, you know, Google search.

7:27

Thank you. Thank you.

7:29

fun that's fun that's a fun little fact

7:31

wanted to share that with you. So when

7:32

Yeah, thank you all of you. Truthfully.

7:34

They probably, they probably saw the

7:36

name The Boys. And it wasn't The

7:38

Boys they thought. But they listened anyway

7:40

because we entertained them.

7:44

that are

7:45

You thought maybe was adult entertainment conversation

7:47

or

7:47

it could have been.

7:48

it's certainly not adults here. Anyway,

7:51

this little podcast

7:54

Well, that was a fun

7:54

Okay,

7:55

Very cool.

7:56

gonna talk about today yeah, oh

7:58

other thing I want to think about

8:00

yeah

8:00

don't know if you all saw, and there's going to be judgment

8:03

that comes from you on with this one, Dwayne, I know

8:05

it.

8:06

No, no judgment.

8:09

So. I think it wasn't last week. It might've

8:11

been the week before. I finally,

8:14

it was always St. Patrick's day. I made

8:16

a post and it went on our, on our socials.

8:19

And I finally switched

8:21

out an arrangement that I had on my kitchen island. And

8:25

what was still there was

8:26

Oh, it was Christmas. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah.

8:29

Okay.

8:29

I

8:30

It was. Mm hmm.

8:31

All right. So I had been meaning

8:33

to change it for a while, but what was there was

8:36

made me very happy and it was really pretty. Okay.

8:38

Mm hmm

8:39

And so I just didn't know what to put

8:42

there. And I thought, well, this makes me happy. So I'm just gonna leave it. then

8:45

Jeremy had been asking, you know, are you going to change

8:47

it? And my response had been, well, I just don't know what I'm going to put there.

8:49

And that was a, that was an honest thing. And

8:50

Why, why, why wouldn't he change it? Are

8:53

you that controlling? You won't let him touch anything. Is that

8:55

what it is? I'm sure. Nevermind.

8:57

That's the judgment right there.

8:59

uh, you know, we travel a lot at Christmas

9:01

and I got home and he was like, Oh, I added a few

9:03

things for the holidays. And I was like, okay, what is it?

9:06

And so we have some little lanterns in the back of the sunroom

9:08

and he had bought some kind of candle rings

9:11

I don't know where I got them. Uh, they were very inexpensive

9:14

and they looked

9:14

Not us. Are you saying they did not come from

9:16

us? Okay. Up to your

9:18

quality.

9:19

let's say the, the lanterns, let's say the big ones,

9:21

like, I don't know, 10 inches wide, the

9:23

candle ring that he had tried to fit down in it. It was like a

9:25

12 inch candle ring.

9:27

Oh,

9:27

And so

9:28

yeah.

9:28

just smushed it down in

9:30

Subbed in there.

9:32

and he's like, doesn't it look good? And I'm like,

9:34

Oh honey, I'm so proud of you. I

9:37

think they went to the trash when I took it out. I don't know. But.

9:39

You know, he tries. I love it. He's actually Jeremy's really

9:41

talented. He's picked up a lot over the years. He helps me

9:43

a lot. but anyway, he's like, are

9:45

you going to change this? And I was like, yeah, I

9:47

just gotta figure out what it is. And then it hit me one day what

9:49

to do. So I did it and he goes,

9:51

I can't believe you're going to take this and put this out there. And I was

9:53

like, well, I mean, it's, it's real life.

9:56

Like I'm being honest here. Like, you know,

9:58

you can have a laugh at my expense. It's okay. It's not, I'm

10:00

not that ashamed. Look, you know, it's just,

10:02

we're life's busy. And

10:05

so I did it, put it out there. I had more people.

10:08

Reach out to me and say, Oh

10:11

my God, you made

10:13

me feel normal. And I took

10:15

down my Christmas, the last part of my Christmas that day

10:17

too. Like after I saw your post.

10:20

Wow.

10:21

So I was really surprised by the reaction. Cause

10:23

a lot of people sent messages or texts

10:26

or I saw in person, they were like, still

10:28

had something. And this, this allowed me to know

10:31

not to be ashamed of myself. It's like, well, I don't know if that's where you should have

10:33

taken from it. Cause, cause I wasn't

10:35

just really proud of myself, but I'm

10:37

going to put it out there. Okay.

10:40

All

10:42

there the best way we can. No, I still

10:44

have a window box that over top of the garage

10:46

that still got winter greens in. Did not saw that the

10:48

other day and went, yeah,

10:52

gotta get that. So, no, you're ahead of

10:54

me actually. So, uh,

10:56

So, I'll probably do that Saturday, truthfully.

11:00

So what are we talking about today? Mm

11:05

I think I told you a little bit, but we're partnering

11:07

with our neighbors across the

11:09

What?

11:10

Creative Kitchens. Yeah,

11:13

What?

11:13

Okay.

11:14

Again, another surprise that

11:16

happens in the store.

11:17

is not costing you any money. I don't think,

11:19

Oh, I'm in. Okay, well,

11:21

you're, yeah, we're working

11:25

with, partnering with Creative Kitchens in Bath

11:27

and, um, They've

11:30

asked us uh,

11:32

put our touches on, uh,

11:34

a kitchen vignette or two in a bathroom.

11:36

I'll probably do one bathroom and two kitchens, but

11:39

we're putting stuff over there and you know, they're, they're, you know,

11:41

letting us brand it and we're got

11:44

these signs made up. It's got QR codes on

11:46

them and you scan the little sign with

11:48

the QR code and it takes you to our website.

11:50

So the audience literally across

11:52

the street from us may

11:55

never walk. into our store, but

11:57

when they see our blue and white porcelain or flower arrangement

11:59

in the moment, hope is

12:02

that they'll just buy the stuff or

12:04

they'll just walk across the street and go, Hey,

12:06

you know, I'm getting a new kitchen. Can you do

12:09

some stuff for us? Or can you get some pretty things

12:11

for my cabinets? And so that's one

12:13

of the things it really is just marketing

12:15

in a way. And so we're showing that we can,

12:18

uh, you know, uh, work together,

12:20

uh, is one of the things I love about all of that. But,

12:24

um, one of the reasons I didn't bring that up

12:26

is I was over there and we've talked about,

12:29

uh, recent podcasts

12:31

about, uh, what was trendy

12:34

and have to remind me, Jeremy,

12:36

but, we,

12:38

uh, landed on, you know, white

12:40

kitchens are not trendy, even though some designers

12:43

are say they are trendy. And so when

12:45

I walk in there, one of the first. Kitchens

12:47

that I see that catches my attention is

12:50

something that's been there for a while, she said, but it's

12:52

absolutely classic. And guess

12:54

what it is. It's all white

12:57

tile, marble

12:59

countertops now,

13:02

this is where I want to talk about details. It

13:05

had exposed hinges

13:08

it had inset doors and it had beveled

13:10

glass on the doors. And

13:12

so those are the things I looked at that.

13:14

And. Everything about it just

13:16

is what I love. I started thinking

13:18

about it. I was like, I'm not sure everybody knows what

13:20

a white kitchen is and everybody knows what a subway tile

13:22

is, right? And everybody knows what marble countertops

13:25

are pros and negatives. But I'm

13:27

not sure if everybody knows what

13:30

inset doors are and overlay doors

13:32

are and full overlays. So I kind of want

13:34

to get up a little, um, and I'll Jeremy,

13:36

you're Stuart. You can take that part of us. I've set it up

13:39

to explain to people what kind

13:41

of doors it is. You get and

13:44

why you choose what you choose. Who wants

13:46

to kind of take the lead on that one? Good.

13:50

Stuart, go ahead.

13:53

hmm.

13:53

Um,

13:54

person.

13:54

uh, actually falls in line. Cause I'm going

13:56

over to specify kitchen cabinets

13:59

for that large project

14:01

today. So I've been

14:03

in, I've been in kitchen, the hotel

14:06

I've been in kitchen cabinet mode anyway,

14:08

but, um, yeah,

14:11

just like you're saying, you know, all those little details

14:13

make. Typical

14:15

white kitchen be something different

14:18

and you can combine all those different elements

14:21

in different ways. And like you said, exposed hinges,

14:23

you know, those can be a various of

14:25

colors, or you can still have the recessed hinge, not

14:27

see it and have a really sleek clean line, depending

14:29

on your door style and

14:31

handle style and overall aesthetic.

14:33

But, um, you know, an inlay

14:36

door is, is just that

14:38

it is a door that's flush with

14:40

the frame of the cabinet. So it, um,

14:43

I don't want to say smooth, but, There's

14:45

no protrusion and it's built within

14:47

the cabinet itself.

14:49

or inlay?

14:50

Oh, inset. I'm sorry. And said,

14:52

yeah, I'm sorry. And said,

14:53

to make sure I get the terms right.

14:54

yeah. And said, sorry. Where the

14:56

overlay is, is what you see. More

15:01

where the door kind of overlaps

15:03

the frame of the cabinet.

15:05

Sometimes they're short, sometimes they meet, sometimes

15:07

they don't. Um, again,

15:10

it's all in the door style that you choose and

15:12

the overall aesthetic for the house.

15:13

You've got something called a full overlay

15:16

and then an overlay, right?

15:17

hmm.

15:18

And let me get this right. I'm asking you more

15:20

than telling you. overlay

15:22

is like the door completely,

15:25

um, covers the cabinet and you

15:27

don't see any of the box. Is that right?

15:30

That's full overlay.

15:31

You, you, the,

15:32

coverage.

15:32

So Again, this is what I remember.

15:35

It's like an inset door. It literally

15:37

the door fits inside of the box. Right. And

15:39

it's, it's totally good.

15:41

Inside the.

15:42

that's the most appealing inside

15:44

the frame,

15:45

Inside the frame. Yeah,

15:46

but generally, uh,

15:48

that's more expensive. Right. I've always heard, and

15:51

I remember this and to see if you like 20,

15:53

25 percent more expensive, is that kind of a number

15:55

you recall? It's

15:59

to do with, there's, there's multiple parts to it.

16:01

So you just can't switch out the doors, for example.

16:04

So what kind of style of door you get affects

16:06

the construction or the build of the

16:07

right,

16:08

So if you get recessed or inset doors,

16:10

okay. So this is the door that's going to be. Slides all the way

16:12

back in. So it's going to be flush all the way up and down,

16:15

and you can still have beaded inset, or you can have

16:17

beaded details and trim details into it. It

16:19

just, the door doesn't come out exterior, further

16:21

out exteriorly. Um, I

16:23

don't know if it's a word, but that's what I'm using today. the

16:27

box, your, your cabinet is actually going to

16:29

be smaller. So let's say that you have a

16:32

16 inch wide door, for example, we'll

16:34

just say 16 inch wide. Your cabinet

16:36

is actually gonna be a little bit smaller because of how they have

16:39

to build the front The,

16:42

the door for it to inset into an

16:44

overlay sits, it

16:46

goes into the thing. So they can actually go build

16:48

it a little bit wider. Okay. They build the back,

16:50

the back box, like build it a little wider. The,

16:53

the overlay will cover

16:56

the hole of the box.

16:58

And I'll just do it a little bit. Okay. And

17:00

that's probably the most common and least expensive

17:03

of cabinet fronts. Um, because

17:06

of the fact that that overlay

17:08

on the front can hide any

17:10

imperfections or any installation issues

17:12

when they put the cabinet in. Okay. So it's

17:14

going to hide, you're not gonna see any problems behind that, uh,

17:17

a inset or a flush

17:19

door, have to have somebody

17:21

who knows

17:22

right.

17:22

to install those cabinets. Uh, cousin

17:24

George, if he's not a professional cabinet maker,

17:27

you don't want him to install it because it has to

17:29

go in in a very specific way so that

17:31

the door, the hinge and everything

17:32

It closes. Yeah, there's very

17:34

little degree of change

17:37

Yeah, there's

17:37

in that.

17:38

very little room for like mess ups

17:40

and the same goes for full overlay where

17:42

they all meet Okay, and

17:44

that's probably that's less expensive I think then just

17:46

an overlay door But because the front

17:48

of them all have to meet up You still

17:51

again have to have somebody who knows what they're doing and

17:53

I think the space on the the the cabinet

17:55

size Once you open it up, it's still about the

17:57

same the recessed you're gonna get a smaller

17:59

cabinet So, and I'm saying with you

18:02

personally, is what I like.

18:04

I think the style of it also depends on the style

18:06

of the home and, and, and what you're going

18:09

bigger.

18:09

a super modern or more

18:12

sleek modern home can easily do a full overlay

18:14

versus, um, a flush

18:16

may not necessarily feel cause

18:18

it feels more traditional, more classic, I guess

18:21

for

18:21

Mm hmm.

18:22

Um,

18:23

more craftsman like, more

18:25

Exactly. I

18:26

And it is. Truthfully, it is.

18:28

Right. It's a more tailored look

18:30

across. Yeah, it's more tailored. Yeah. So,

18:33

let me get this right. So, people

18:36

are looking for cabinetry and we're just talking about expense.

18:38

We're not talking about storage and all kinds of things or aesthetics.

18:41

Expense goes, the least expensive cabinetry

18:44

you can buy is overlay.

18:46

Right. then you've got of

18:49

the price range is full overlay.

18:52

And the most expensive is inset doors.

18:55

Is that, is that how you all believe in?

18:57

Remember, generally, as a general rule,

18:59

the company that I used to do,

19:01

our kitchen, years ago, there was no

19:03

price difference for us to do flush versus overlay.

19:06

So we, I wanted flush to start with, and I was like, well, hell,

19:08

we're going to do it because

19:09

I have to tell you, I've never had that happen.

19:11

Me either.

19:11

been more expensive for me. that's

19:14

unusual. It's always been

19:15

I

19:15

more expensive.

19:16

Jesus,

19:17

Well, yeah, that's, yeah, that's good. Yeah.

19:20

Yeah. Well,

19:22

because even, even not only

19:24

the construction, but the door choice,

19:27

you know, because there's 200 different

19:29

types of doors.

19:31

Yes.

19:32

that affects the price

19:34

let's

19:35

well.

19:35

choices. What of

19:38

the door itself are people

19:40

asking for or looking for?

19:41

I would say that most people,

19:45

It has to go with the home has to go with the customer, the

19:47

style or whatever. I would say generally

19:49

probably in our area. Most people tend to

19:52

lean a more like. Shaker

19:55

or an elevated shaker door. So there's a little bit of

19:57

a

19:57

Mm hmm.

19:58

There's not just

19:59

Yep.

20:00

rectangular trim around the perimeter of it. There may be

20:02

a little bit of beaded detail inside of that.

20:05

but I also know a lot of people who are asking for slab

20:07

front. So it's just basically

20:09

flat, right? It's always, there's no,

20:11

there's no detail on the door whatsoever.

20:14

those are when people are asking

20:16

for, a modern kitchen, so it's just, it's very

20:19

sleek. It's very straight, very

20:21

flat. Don't

20:23

the majority, not the majority,

20:25

99, 999 percent of

20:27

the people I work with, we're going to do a

20:29

stylized door,

20:31

right? It's a shaker door with some

20:33

little beaded detail, little fillets,

20:37

little inset into it. So it's, it's shaker,

20:39

right? With some little trim detail

20:41

to it makes it a little more traditional

20:44

anything past that I don't have anybody

20:46

that wants it once in a while. Um,

20:49

I, you know, I did a house recently and it was kind

20:51

of very Williamsburg inspired and

20:53

we did, um, a top of raised panel.

20:56

Which is, you know, very formal, uh,

20:58

but it made, just like what you said, Jeremy, it made

21:00

sense because it's the top of house. But

21:02

generally I'm just saying to people, if

21:04

you're going out looking for a door style,

21:07

it is safe to look at a

21:09

shaker door that has a little inset

21:12

to it, a little beaded detail to it.

21:14

If you choose that, you're not

21:16

doing trendy. You're not doing something that's crazy.

21:19

And you're doing something that's relatively timeless.

21:22

That's really what I'm trying to get across today is

21:24

you don't have to do that, but this is pretty

21:27

safe answer that you're always going to be

21:29

pretty timeless. You know, you know, I'm

21:31

working on a house and it's, it

21:34

was probably built in 1985 and

21:37

the cabinets are solid. Cherry,

21:40

for example, but they're also cherry and she doesn't

21:42

want it. And I don't want it, but the doors are arched

21:44

at the top is in just kind of braised

21:46

panel. So we're looking at,

21:49

uh, you know, 5, 000

21:51

or so for somebody to come in and paint these cabinets.

21:53

Well, that's still a whole lot cheaper than ripping everything

21:55

out. Right. ultimately.

21:58

I still don't want to paint the cabinets because the

22:00

cabinets are arched at the top,

22:02

right? And even though I can paint them, that's going

22:04

to be better. But every time I look at it, there's arched

22:06

cabinets. So we're going to look at seeing

22:09

if we can keep the bottom, uh,

22:12

doors because they're, you know, squared off and simple

22:15

and find new ones at the top or have new ones made,

22:17

uh, and some compromise, I

22:19

guess I go back to it. If you just

22:21

choose simple designs. Now,

22:24

you're going to, you're going to be happy with yourself and

22:26

your decision 15 or 20 years from now, don't

22:28

get cute. In other words,

22:32

or, forbid that rope, that

22:34

rope trim that was really popular

22:36

Oh

22:37

glazing, remember the glazing that

22:39

yeah,

22:40

I've talked to so many people out of that,

22:41

If you have

22:42

out of it, out of it.

22:43

a period home, but let's say

22:45

like, um, you know, like one

22:47

of the older, bigger homes, like downtown,

22:50

for example. Like, I think there's a little bit of, if

22:52

you're, if the rest of your house speaks to like a true period

22:55

ish, ish, I think you can do a

22:57

Yeah.

22:57

that. and I

22:59

really think like cabinet color, you can probably

23:01

Okay. You need to stop there. You're dancing. You're

23:03

dancing.

23:04

no, What I'm saying,

23:04

We're not saying we're not, we're not saying to somebody,

23:07

to everybody in the world, choose

23:09

a white

23:10

No, Lord, no.

23:11

inset

23:11

Oh Lord. No,

23:13

with

23:13

no,

23:14

right. We're not saying that at

23:15

no.

23:15

What I'm saying is general,

23:19

if you're looking, if you're starting off,

23:21

what is a basic safe answer

23:23

that you probably can't go wrong with, that's

23:26

a door style that you probably are going to be timeless.

23:29

depends on your house, depends on your setting. It

23:31

goes back to, we're certainly not going to be those designers

23:33

that go, well, that's trendy and

23:35

I wouldn't do that. I'm never going to

23:37

say that. Right. I'm never

23:40

going to say to you, don't do cabinets with roping with

23:42

glaze. Right. If it's appropriate for your

23:44

house, absolutely. I just want

23:46

to establish what's a safe general

23:48

answer. Let's

23:49

because ultimately it's your house and

23:52

if you love it and you love

23:54

all that goop and God,

23:56

great.

23:57

Do

23:57

If you love a high lacquered,

24:00

slick cabinet, do it. That's

24:02

fine. We can all make them work,

24:05

No judging.

24:06

you know,

24:06

thing that I think that I

24:10

have picked up on as, as, as built

24:12

or have worked on more kitchens is

24:14

that the cabinet door

24:17

front is important

24:19

to, for you to figure out, but also

24:21

to going along with that, especially

24:23

if the homeowner loves jewelry

24:26

or if, if they're really big on the details

24:28

is that you also need to pick out the hardware.

24:31

Early, early on, even maybe

24:33

Hmm.

24:33

out the cabinet, because a lot of times depending

24:36

on like, if you do a box, like a, uh, a

24:38

shaker style or with the trim or whatever, a lot

24:41

of hardware, like if you do a cut pull, not

24:43

going to work on certain trim profiles just because

24:45

of how it says. So it's important to have those things kind

24:47

of picked out off the front, just so you

24:49

know.

24:51

No, that's true. It is true.

24:53

Um, And those

24:55

little, oh, and then the other, uh,

24:57

another detail, especially with the style

25:00

of France is I know you had a picture you sent,

25:02

uh, Dwayne of like those latches.

25:05

Um, you can't

25:06

Yeah.

25:07

overlays. You can't use those on, um,

25:10

it has to

25:10

right? It has to be a recess door.

25:12

door. Yep. Yep.

25:14

and you can't have a lot of trim,

25:17

uh, details

25:18

what, what, um, Jeremy's talking about

25:20

is when I was across at

25:22

creative, that's the kitchen that I

25:24

love so much. I took pictures of it and we'll share

25:26

it. And I took pictures of,

25:29

um, the exposed hinges and

25:31

you'll see that you literally see the hinges and

25:34

this kitchen has a vintage. Quality

25:36

to it, generally traditional, but

25:39

still vintage undertone to it. Right. And

25:41

I think for me, when you see an exposed

25:43

hinge, it makes it feel older to

25:45

me, you know, or more furniture like that.

25:48

And again, that's my definition, not necessarily yours

25:50

or anybody else's. But when I see an exposed

25:52

hinge, I think of a piece of furniture

25:54

and I think of older,

25:57

Well like a pie safe

25:58

then it had those latches on it.

26:00

hmm,

26:01

like a pie safe

26:02

Is that what you imagine?

26:03

Yeah, that I mean that's yeah,

26:05

That's a great

26:06

well even old Refrigerators.

26:09

Yeah old refrigerators had those big

26:11

handles and the exposed hinges

26:13

and old stoves had the same thing

26:15

So it definitely goes back to that era,

26:19

Well, that little latch, it's again a perfect

26:21

visual that you just described, is

26:24

these little latches look like what those Kelvinator

26:26

refrigerators look like, but it's in a

26:28

right?

26:28

of it, and it has that vintage quality to it. And

26:31

I love those little details. Mm hmm. At

26:34

Creative, I'll go back and re reference them. It

26:36

was a glass front and then it had

26:38

a bevel edge on it, which is just a beautiful detail.

26:41

Well, everybody, um, would

26:43

say, uh, well, I don't want

26:45

a glass front, uh, cabinets. I don't want to see what's in

26:47

there. And that's okay. But, uh, when

26:49

I redid the basement, uh, and I added

26:51

the kitchen, uh, in my own personal house,

26:53

uh, I did, uh, a couple of glass

26:56

cabinets. And that's literally where,

26:58

um, Mom and dad live now, uh, for the most

27:00

part, and there's the glasses are there

27:02

and the dishes are there. And at first she's like,

27:04

Oh, I can't keep that, uh, cleaned up and organized.

27:07

It has been no problem at all.

27:09

Right

27:09

if you have white dishes, they just sit

27:11

them back in there. And you have clear glasses. They just sit

27:13

back in there. It's not that hard of a maintenance

27:16

thing. A lot of people think that you have glass cabinets.

27:18

It's a lot of work. Well, I

27:20

don't want to see your Tupperware. Right,

27:22

but if you've got white dishes

27:25

and plain glasses, fiesta

27:27

wear, and that's fine too, you can, you can see your fiesta

27:29

wear, I don't care. Uh, but in

27:32

that kitchen across the street, they had that beveled

27:34

glass and I just love, I

27:36

wouldn't probably I'd

27:38

done that in my kitchen because I love that little detail

27:40

and I didn't even think of that. Um, but loved,

27:43

loved, loved those little details.

27:44

Well, I think that a little beveled makes it

27:46

a little more formal too. Like it, it makes

27:49

it a

27:49

Yes, yes,

27:50

then I'm, I love glass cabinets,

27:53

but I also understand I don't want

27:55

them. You can't have them everywhere. That's, that's just kind of

27:57

impossible. Um, I mean you can,

27:59

but you're, you're just going to drive you crazy, but

28:02

you don't have to do just plain glass.

28:04

You can do seated glass. It can give you a little bit of

28:06

mm

28:07

Right.

28:07

Mm

28:08

so you can't see

28:08

hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm

28:11

So, or even like an

28:13

there. What's the vibe of the kitchens? You're going to create for

28:15

the big house Have you gotten there

28:17

yet?

28:17

Oh yeah.

28:21

Um, the show kitchen,

28:24

that's what we call the show kitchen is

28:26

probably going to end

28:28

up as all inset doors. Um,

28:31

there's a lot of drawers, but

28:33

I've also combined

28:35

some antique glass. That's

28:37

going to go in, uh, there's

28:40

this wall. It's

28:42

kind of, I'm calling it the coffee bar

28:44

wall, but it's, you know, 12

28:47

feet long 10

28:49

and a half feet tall.

28:50

do you mean antique glass? Where did you find antique glass?

28:53

Is it from just a mirror company or is it

28:55

It's from, it's from a mirror. It's from a mirror

28:57

company. So it's reproduced,

28:59

but it's antique glass,

29:01

Gotcha. Gotcha So vintage looking gotcha.

29:04

Gotcha.

29:05

because how she, um,

29:07

the, this homeowner loves silver

29:09

tones. Everything's silver. She doesn't like anything

29:11

gold.

29:12

Mm

29:13

likes that more cold tone.

29:17

So.

29:17

hmm. Mm

29:18

You know, because this space is so large,

29:20

I can't make it be like an ice box either,

29:23

you know, cause you get a lot of silver and a lot of white,

29:25

it's going to be real cold and it's going

29:27

to

29:27

Real

29:28

maybe could be too modern. So

29:30

we're throwing in some wood tones and things like that

29:32

as well. But this antique glass,

29:34

you know, you think of. Old glass

29:37

where it has kind of that silverish

29:41

muddled look to it.

29:43

Mm hmm.

29:44

So that's kind of just

29:46

a few cabinets are going to have that

29:49

because, you know, I can't have all those doors

29:51

and all those drawers because it's

29:53

a lot, there's a lot of cabinets.

29:56

So we've got to break it up somehow, you know,

29:58

and floating cabinets are not an option.

30:00

you're saying is the kitchen's huge?

30:01

It is.

30:02

saying? There's so many cabinets

30:03

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

30:04

Yeah.

30:05

And we are going to contrast the island.

30:07

Um, Probably with a completely different

30:09

door style because there's not many

30:12

Cabinets in the island

30:14

anyway because the island

30:17

is twelve and a half feet long. It's

30:19

six feet wide There's two dishwashers

30:22

a trash compactor and a six foot trough

30:24

sink in it Just visually you

30:26

need to break it

30:28

up, you know

30:30

or know what it means. Explain to the

30:32

audience what you mean by contrasting

30:36

in different door style. Why in the world would you do

30:38

all that crazy stuff? Tell us why and

30:41

how you got there. Mm

30:45

Whereas even though

30:47

it's going to be an inset door along all

30:49

the perimeter, it will probably, it's

30:52

more than a shaker. It's going to be kind of a

30:54

raised panel inset because we need that depth

30:56

and that texture, which is probably

30:58

going to be white or some shade

31:00

of white. And then the island itself

31:02

is actually

31:04

is going to be,

31:04

correct. And the island itself is going to be a wood tone,

31:07

um, stained wood. So,

31:09

and I'll have a beefier door.

31:12

there. Why are you going to have an all white kitchen

31:14

and have a big old brown island?

31:17

what do you, what, what does somebody, what somebody says that to you?

31:19

What would you say to them?

31:21

Move over. No, No,

31:23

no, get over.

31:24

get over.

31:25

it. Well, if you listen to what I said a second ago, we have

31:27

to break it up, bitch.

31:28

Yeah, no kidding. Jeez. Because

31:31

is this true story? We don't need

31:34

an all white kitchen and an all white island, right?

31:36

You can, that island is a piece of jewelry

31:39

you really have an opportunity

31:42

to change up in any way you

31:44

want, right? It's easy to do all white

31:46

cabinets, right? Cause that's your core and that's

31:48

what you really see. But this island is

31:51

an opportunity. You keep saying that opportunity that

31:54

it is, which would

31:56

blue Navy blue. Dark, wood

31:59

tones. Mine's, mine's white cabinets

32:01

with a black island. The island itself

32:03

is the way I say

32:05

you introduce personality to your kitchen,

32:08

this all white kitchen.

32:09

it is. I mean, you know, my, my kitchen is

32:12

all white perimeter with

32:15

the Island is turquoise

32:17

with a solid Walnut top, but

32:19

then there's granite on the edges, turquoise.

32:22

So, you know, it's, it's

32:25

a, it's a big contrast and

32:27

everybody notices the Island

32:29

and they don't pay attention to any of the other cabinets. And like

32:31

you were saying, half of my cabinets.

32:34

Our seated glass fronts. Nobody

32:37

even looks at the alley sippy cup

32:39

that you can see in

32:42

that one. Cause they were paying attention.

32:44

I know

32:45

your sippy cup. We know.

32:46

I do have a sippy. It's

32:48

golden girls. I do have one.

32:51

Let me, let me tell you a little, little design secret

32:53

also. It is, if

32:56

you're dealing with a tighter

32:58

budget, if you do the perimeter

33:00

cabinets and you do those as,

33:03

if you like the aesthetic, we kind of go with that. You

33:05

can do the perimeter cabinets as an inset

33:08

or full overlay, which I find those to

33:10

be more practical. Personally appealing

33:13

aesthetically, right? And it's my favorite, but,

33:15

um, but if you don't like that, then there's got full

33:17

overlay, one of the things you can

33:19

do if it to save yourself money,

33:22

the kitchen island, then it can just be an

33:24

overlay, not full overlay or inset, but

33:26

just overlay. You can completely

33:28

change that up and you save yourself some money.

33:31

And because it's a different color, because it's

33:33

not in your face, you can save

33:35

yourself. Potentially 2, by

33:38

just doing that little tweak and no one

33:40

will ever know the difference. So that's one

33:42

of the things if you're dealing with a tight budget and

33:45

you've come in and you're like, okay, how do

33:47

I save money? That's one of the easy

33:49

things to do is change up the island door

33:53

application, not the style necessarily. I'm

33:55

just talking about

33:55

Right.

33:56

it's applied. Uh, it will save you

33:58

some money and help you in the long run and no

34:00

one will ever know.

34:01

Yeah. That's what we did in our kitchen. Our,

34:03

our, the main cabinets are flush

34:06

and then our wet bar, which is

34:08

on one end in his, uh,

34:10

overlay. And then. The island

34:12

is overlay and it's a separate color. Both of those are a

34:15

different color than the white cabinets because

34:17

if you

34:17

And it doesn't look weird, does it?

34:18

just be, Oh no, or no.

34:20

No.

34:21

put, I'll put a link down in the, um,

34:24

show notes just to show that than anything

34:26

else you all got. Look, we'll put, we'll put those down

34:28

there too, including those pictures you sent, whatever

34:31

you can give Stuart. Um,

34:35

and when, you know, when it

34:36

Will

34:38

we'll go back to islands, I like

34:40

to try to approach an island, like it's a piece of furniture

34:42

versus the cabinets, like you can do

34:44

details on the, the cabinets

34:46

that go around the perimeter, like the main cabinets,

34:49

like, uh, instead of doing like a standard

34:51

toe kick, you can do some interesting little

34:54

bits and details down at the bottom. If you have a,

34:56

someone who knows what they're doing, um, To

34:58

add molding and things like that to make it a little more interesting.

35:00

But I really like to do the island. Like it is

35:02

a piece of furniture. Like it doesn't feel like it's just

35:05

you, will you share some images of islands

35:07

that you find to be attractive that's

35:09

furniture like so you

35:10

Yeah,

35:10

get people to understand? Okay, good.

35:13

love those like old English, those

35:15

big, the work tables that they used to have, like, you

35:17

know, like

35:18

Hmm. Hmm.

35:20

the cab and they have that big ass table that

35:22

they have, like they have all the vegetables in

35:24

and the trays. Now that's not my lifestyle. That's not how I live.

35:26

And. It would, you know, we, our

35:28

It's pretty, isn't it?

35:29

potatoes would start growing roots and if they were in ours,

35:32

um, they wouldn't,

35:34

they wouldn't get used. S Quicken but

35:37

yeah, I love those. But yeah, we can do that and

35:40

Oh, okay. Lowers we

35:42

don't have any doors

35:45

on our lowers, and I, that's not true. We, in

35:47

the wet bar we do, but in the rest of the kitchen,

35:49

all of our lowers are all, are

35:52

all drawers.

35:53

Yeah.

35:53

And I worried about that when we did it. And

35:55

I don't regret it one bit. It

35:58

makes it so much

35:58

Drawers are your friend.

36:00

Yeah. Drawers.

36:01

go for lowers, people.

36:04

Now here's the problem. They're a budget

36:06

buster because they're

36:07

They're much more expensive. Yes.

36:10

Much more expensive. So be prepared

36:12

if anybody's getting into the kitchen Vein

36:15

to do a kitchen, but ultimately

36:17

if your budget exists keep saying that if it budget

36:19

exists drawers Are

36:21

so much more useful in a kitchen

36:24

So

36:24

doors. You're not standing on your head, digging stuff

36:26

out.

36:27

mm.

36:27

just, it really uses your space a lot

36:29

better, doesn't it?

36:30

Mm hmm.

36:31

exists, really investigate drawers

36:34

as opposed to doors in the bottom part

36:36

of kitchens, 100%.

36:38

Mm hmm. Cause I did not want to, I

36:40

am tall, and I am not a small

36:43

person. And for me to get

36:45

in the bottom of some of them, those door cabinets.

36:47

Oh God, like it, that's why the potatoes will grow roots.

36:50

I'm not

36:51

Is that what it is?

36:53

I'm just, I don't, I, you know,

36:55

just trying to get down in there, but Lord, no,

36:57

get you some drawers,

36:59

Yes. I agree.

37:00

It'll make you so much happier.

37:02

Okay, guys, I got to go get some stuff

37:05

done. Do you think this was useful that

37:07

we kind of gave everybody a

37:08

Well, Lord, Dwayne is done. So we

37:10

closing the podcast. He

37:12

is out

37:13

done.

37:13

I've got, my goal was, my goal

37:15

was, is to get people to understand the different kinds

37:18

of today. And Lord, we've

37:20

talked it to death. And thank God, I think everyone

37:22

gets it. So there you go.

37:23

there's more talk about kitchens. So we'll talk about it in more

37:25

episodes, but.

37:26

I just say that I won't talk about back

37:28

splashes. I want to talk about countertops.

37:30

I want to talk about hardware, but

37:32

you know, we, we, we getting out of time. I think

37:35

we do on our next podcast.

37:37

um, I don't, I don't know. We'll figure that out. Um,

37:39

okay. Reminder everybody, we have a hotline

37:42

you can call and you can give us

37:44

Has anybody called your hotline yet? Not one person

37:46

from Nepal.

37:46

new

37:47

Nepal call his hotline.

37:49

the new, the new podcast

37:50

from Nepal.

37:51

so,

37:52

It did. Somebody

37:53

Okay.

37:53

no one's called. But, um, the number is 1

37:56

8 5 9 4 1 2 1 5

37:58

7 2. And again, it'll be, it'll be done in the show

38:00

notes, so it's easier for you to call

38:01

What's the number again?

38:03

1 8 5 9. 412

38:07

1572.

38:11

Somebody call him. Yeah, let's call him.

38:12

somebody could tell me they were going to call and talk nasty

38:15

to me in the message.

38:16

real quick. We had a customer in yesterday and

38:19

she said. Honey, I'm

38:22

wanting for your tens of listeners. I love your

38:24

podcasts. I was like, well, thank

38:26

you so much. She goes, but I like the original

38:28

name better. I said, the original name? She goes, yeah,

38:30

two bitches and a curmudgeon. I

38:33

said, okay, thank you.

38:35

That's nothing. That was.

38:37

Hm.

38:39

we'll change the name just for an episode. Who knows?

38:41

We'll

38:41

Just for an episode.

38:42

Well,

38:43

you mentioned that we might be getting a guest

38:45

spot on. Have you worked on that? We've got somebody coming

38:47

in or is that not there yet? Too

38:49

preliminary? Are you going to do that

38:52

on and off here or there?

38:53

Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna add some guests,

38:55

um, people for us. Yeah, as

38:57

we go. Yeah. And we've reached out to one

39:00

and that's a yes at some point, but

39:02

we don't have that arranged for the next one or anything like that.

39:04

Well, I'm just curious. I

39:07

don't know. Scott. Sorry. I asked if the guests have

39:09

jumped the gun on that one. Oops.

39:11

God.

39:11

Well, I guess it's a good point if people are tired of listening to

39:13

our asses talk. We'll get to throw in some

39:15

Yeah, that's right. Oh, bless her

39:18

heart. Oh, wait, wait,

39:20

wait. What'd you

39:22

Lord.

39:24

hmm.

39:24

I'm gonna eat my donuts.

39:26

Alright, bye.

39:27

Bye.