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Radio. The briefing starts now. Hello

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and welcome to the briefing coming to

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life from Studio One here at Me

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Juri House in London. I'm Emma Nelson

1:33

and coming up on today's program on

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his votes days or three hundred and

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fifty two That name is our sixty

1:40

five one at present. two thirds being

1:42

in their the World's are suspended, the

1:45

bill is passed. Could Tic Toc be

1:47

banned in the U S. The Us

1:49

House approves a bill to outlaw the

1:51

social media giant. Also ahead in Berlin

1:54

a meeting of European leaders. What can

1:56

Aleph shots. emanuel macro on donald

1:58

tusk achieve together and I'll

2:00

be in Sao Paulo for this week's Global Countdown. Hello

2:03

Emma, so today's Global Countdown is very

2:05

special. It's going to be my little

2:07

guide for new Brazilian music. All

2:10

that coming up right here on The Briefing with me,

2:12

Emma Nelson. We

2:21

begin by an approval by the

2:23

US House of Representatives of a bill

2:26

that could impose a ban on

2:28

the social media giant TikTok. It would

2:30

give the platform's Chinese parent company, ByteBounce,

2:32

six months to sell its controlling

2:34

steak or the app would be blocked

2:37

nationwide. American legislators have long been

2:39

concerned about Beijing's influence over TikTok and

2:41

the privacy of user data. Well,

2:43

the bill passed the House by a

2:45

landslide, but must still be approved

2:47

by the Senate. Charlotte Henry is a

2:50

journalist and author who runs the edition

2:52

newsletter and podcast or about the intersection of

2:54

media and technology. Very good afternoon to you,

2:56

Charlotte. Hi, good afternoon. How are you

2:58

doing? Just explained it very well, thank you. Great to

3:00

have you on the program. Just explain to us how

3:03

popular TikTok is in the United States. One

3:05

would imagine it is as pervasive as it

3:07

is in great parts of the world. Oh,

3:10

the numbers are extraordinary. I think it's about

3:12

something like 170 million Americans use it. Apparently

3:19

it saw a 45% increase in

3:21

monthly active users from July 2020 to

3:23

July 2022. It's

3:27

become completely pervasive,

3:29

particularly with people who are,

3:31

how can I put this delicately, younger

3:34

than us. And

3:36

the fact remains that that's very delicately put by the

3:38

way, Charlotte. Thank you for most grateful for that. And

3:41

the fact remains is it has been actually quite problematic

3:43

as well for the likes of the White House, hasn't

3:45

it? Because they recognize that TikTok

3:47

does have an enormous presence in the lives

3:49

of lots of people, namely their young voters.

3:52

Yet they do recognize it as a security

3:54

threat. Right, so there's

3:56

a couple of bits to unpack in that. The first

3:58

thing to note is, Biden does actually

4:01

have a TikTok account. He turned

4:03

down doing the very, very prestigious, very

4:06

big deal Super Bowl Weekend interview

4:09

that normally the President of the United

4:12

States does and launched a TikTok account.

4:14

He's done a few videos on there.

4:16

So it appears to be good enough for him at the moment.

4:20

But yes, you're right, there are security

4:22

because there's particularly around data storage. And

4:24

there were stories about Chinese workers accessing

4:27

non-public US user data so that there

4:29

have been some controversies

4:31

around that. And

4:33

I think there's a kind of political element

4:36

to this as well, right? We, you

4:38

know, you and I can laugh at

4:40

the TikTok users, being younger users normally,

4:43

but for a president whose age has

4:45

become quite a big deal, shutting

4:48

down the young person that might not be such

4:50

a good look either heading into an election. So

4:52

how would this ban work? Well,

4:56

that's quite an interesting question. As you

4:58

said in the intro, the idea is

5:00

that bite down, sell at stake. Because

5:04

TikTok has actually moved, it says, its

5:06

US user data to US data

5:10

centers. So they're

5:12

saying that and in Singapore as well. And

5:16

in the EU, it goes to a data center

5:18

in Ireland. So they're trying to prove basically that

5:20

the data does not get held in

5:23

China with all the risks that that is

5:25

perceived to have. So that there is that

5:27

going on. And I guess the ban, the

5:29

truth is, I'm not sure quite how practical

5:32

a ban could be if it passes the

5:34

Senate, which I'm not convinced will happen. Because,

5:37

you know, people could use a VPN

5:39

to download an app and use

5:41

it, it's not so clear cut.

5:44

And you mentioned there the fact that

5:46

the demographic that of TikTok users is

5:50

distinctly younger than the US president himself

5:52

despite the fact that he has his

5:54

own TikTok account. If a

5:56

ban were to come in place, how angry would

5:58

this make a sway? of the

6:01

young American electorate. Oh, I'm sure

6:03

there'd be a host of people

6:05

who operate both kind

6:07

of for fun on TikTok and professionally

6:09

within the creator economy, who would

6:11

be furious. TikTok, I think, have set

6:13

up various sort of lobbying operations with

6:16

these influences to try and convince American politicians

6:18

not to ban it. People

6:20

have built whole careers using

6:23

this app, so I'm sure there would be a huge backlash.

6:27

And tell us a little bit more

6:29

about the wider scope when it comes

6:31

to the US's relationship with China. This

6:34

is clearly a very direct and obvious

6:36

and easily understandable hit at Beijing, isn't

6:38

it? I think

6:40

that's what it's meant to be. We

6:42

saw some quite grueling questioning by American

6:45

politicians of the boss of TikTok, if

6:47

you remember, not so long ago. And

6:50

there was this quite uncomfortable exchange where

6:52

someone, one of the politicians was very aggressive

6:54

with him. And he kept saying, look, I'm

6:56

Singaporean. I served in the Singaporean army. It

6:59

was all kind of, I think

7:02

what you're guessing at is right, that this is a

7:04

bit of a proxy for a

7:06

lot of the tensions between the US and

7:08

China, particularly when in economic terms. And

7:10

I think that's right. And I'm guessing

7:13

that this is, American politicians kind of

7:15

see this as a bit of an

7:17

easy win and a bit of an

7:20

easy hit. But I

7:22

wonder if there's not the potential for it

7:24

to backfire in the sense that,

7:27

you know, Chinese or other nations

7:30

could say, well, let's ban this

7:32

American app or, you know, we

7:34

don't trust this American service. Or, you

7:36

know, there could be perhaps unintended consequences

7:38

as well. Just tell us

7:40

briefly, do you think the ban will come into place? I'm

7:44

not convinced just

7:47

because I'm not convinced that American,

7:49

this is about the only thing American politicians

7:51

have agreed on since about 2016, isn't it? So

7:55

I'm not convinced that it's going to get over the final

7:57

hurdle in the Senate. It's not clear that that will happen.

8:00

The core classes. The. Next part

8:02

of the process. So it's not a

8:04

zero percent chance this will happen, but

8:06

I I'm not totally sure how. Close

8:08

to a hundred days. I think it's gone the

8:10

way to go. So that

8:12

Henry thank you so much for joining

8:14

us on Monaco radio listening to the

8:16

briefing with me Emma Nelson a quick

8:18

look nowadays other news headlines his comes

8:20

Howard thank center the far right Dutch

8:22

politician he had failed It has abandoned

8:24

his bed to become the country's prime

8:26

minister is Freedom Party won the most

8:28

votes in last year's election but needed

8:30

support from other political parties to form

8:33

a coalition governments. A

8:35

hurry caught in the northern Japanese cities,

8:37

Sapporo has ruled that the country's ban

8:39

on same sex marriage is unconstitutional. Lgbt

8:42

unions have split lower courts and are

8:44

opposed by the ruling party. Despite widespread

8:46

public support and at home. And

8:49

ten and he pay. European government

8:52

has recalled fifty ambassadors appointed by

8:54

it's right wing treatise Esa. The

8:56

country's foreign minister said the change

8:58

would mean better professional implementation of

9:00

a difficult task facing it Foreign

9:02

policy, Based today's headlines

9:04

after you, Emma. Thank you

9:06

very much. Indeed, some the Now does a

9:08

traditional Franco German axis of a third potentially

9:11

strong voice in the sake of Poland. the

9:13

Donald Tusk return to the political stage of

9:15

the country's prime minister and the countries bordering

9:17

you Cone more so now plays a pivotal

9:19

role in the reason to three leaders on

9:21

assaults the money macro on Donald Tusk. meet

9:24

in, been in tomorrow and to tell us

9:26

more about it, I'm delighted to say that

9:28

Michelle Bonus scheme managing Director of German Marshall

9:30

Fund East and it's Regional Director for Pool

9:32

and turns it on the line at a

9:34

very good as turn into. Mothers' Day.

9:37

To be snapped. We know this. This

9:39

grouping is the Weimar Trying Golden Waves

9:42

Established I'm in Weimar in was

9:44

about Nineteen Ninety One as as. Poland.

9:46

Was emerging from communism and this

9:48

was built. This alliance is built

9:50

to help Poland So much to

9:52

believe The tables are turning today.

9:55

will right now europe's needs

9:58

new leadership though German,

10:00

French engine is not working

10:02

very, very well. Poland

10:05

is certainly emerging after eight

10:07

years of law and justice

10:10

rule as a strong European voice.

10:13

It's also a country that understands

10:16

security very well, both

10:18

because of what we are bordering Ukraine,

10:21

that is right now at war with this

10:24

being attacked by Russia, also because

10:26

Poland is spending per percent on defense.

10:28

So it's a serious heavyweight

10:31

player joining the core

10:33

of European leadership. And

10:35

how much has that changed the balance? Because

10:37

you mentioned the fact that France and Germany

10:39

have not been functioning terribly efficiently in the

10:41

last few years. Poland has been

10:44

out of the game for a while, given

10:46

the fact that its law and justice party

10:48

had sought to not necessarily sever ties with

10:50

the European Union, but would go in its

10:53

own direction, which the European Union did not

10:55

like at all. Now we have Donald Tusk.

10:58

What strengths do we see coming from

11:00

this reunion of the Weimar Triangle? So

11:03

this is, I think this

11:05

is a moment where Weimar Triangle

11:07

can really play the role that

11:09

it could not have played any

11:11

other time in its

11:14

history. That particular meeting,

11:16

but broadly this

11:19

way of thinking, recognizes that

11:23

Europe needs to step up, especially when

11:25

it comes to security and defense. And

11:27

that's why the leaders are meeting to

11:30

really discuss what Europe under

11:32

the leadership of these three countries

11:35

can do to help Ukraine

11:38

militarily very much in the

11:40

short term. Tusk is just

11:42

coming from Washington, where he saw

11:44

that Americans and

11:46

American administration, despite

11:49

best intention, is

11:51

not able to provide the necessary ammunition

11:53

to Ukraine because of the blocking Congress.

11:55

So now it's time for Weimar. Just

11:58

to the point when, billion euros

12:00

worth of funding is to be given to

12:02

Ukraine as part of efforts

12:06

to make sure that Ukraine can successfully

12:08

win the war against the Russians. The

12:12

fact that we now have this funding,

12:14

that came about after internal wranglings, didn't

12:16

it? That there was issues

12:19

about the, by European, there was issues about the

12:21

amount of money that countries would

12:24

receive in return for all this. That's

12:26

right. I mean, building a consensus around

12:28

the aid for Ukraine is not the

12:30

easiest process, even

12:33

though if we really look at

12:36

how united Europe and

12:38

the transatlantic space has been able to be

12:41

since the attack

12:43

two years ago, it's really quite,

12:46

quite tremendous. But this is,

12:48

you know, we are going back to the question that a

12:50

new leadership is needed.

12:53

And this is a moment in

12:55

which Tusk, given

12:57

that pro-democratic mandate

12:59

that he was given by the

13:01

Polish people, given Poland's seriousness

13:04

about security and given Poland's

13:06

understanding of the threat, is

13:08

bringing a new quality to

13:11

the other two, countries,

13:14

France and Germany. And the

13:16

thinking behind is that if those three countries

13:18

can agree, then the rest

13:20

of the EU really will have

13:22

a much easier time

13:24

finding a common point and perhaps

13:26

can just follow what the three

13:29

countries of quite different perspectives were

13:31

able to agree, especially on issues

13:33

of security, of European security in

13:35

the sense. What policy you mentioned

13:38

Poland is brings in fresh quality to the

13:40

situation. What is that quality

13:42

and how welcome do you think that

13:45

Donald Tusk arrival to

13:47

pull together all of Scholz and Emmanuel

13:49

Macron will be? There are

13:51

a number of qualities that Poland is

13:54

bringing. One and Tusk in particular. One

13:56

is a very strong mandate

13:58

and from democratic. The

14:01

elections on October 15th,

14:05

Tusk won, was the highest turnout

14:07

in Polish history, 74% with

14:11

large majority in the parliament. That's

14:14

good. Poland is bringing

14:17

large population, the largest

14:20

military budget as a proportion of

14:22

GDP, but also the democratic credentials

14:25

and a high mandate

14:27

that Tusk is bringing, given

14:29

the highest turnout in Polish

14:31

election ever,

14:33

74% in the

14:35

election of last October. Tell

14:38

us a little bit more about the commitments

14:40

that are being asked of

14:43

NATO and European Union members.

14:45

I think it's the Polish

14:47

president has said that, that's

14:49

Andre Duda, has said that

14:52

NATO members must

14:54

now spend 3% of

14:57

their GDP on defence, not

15:00

least because Poland is bordering Ukraine

15:02

and can feel the effect as

15:04

keenly as anybody else can. When

15:07

you look at France wanting to spend

15:09

just 2% of GDP

15:11

on NATO, and Germany's defence

15:14

are talking about spending as

15:16

much as 3.5% of economic

15:18

output, what does that say

15:20

about the difference in levels

15:22

of commitment from different countries?

15:26

The proposal of spending 3%

15:28

on defence is in recognition

15:31

of times changing. We

15:35

lived in peaceful Europe, where all

15:37

the countries, including Poland, could take

15:40

advantage of peace that is evident.

15:43

This all has changed in February,

15:45

two years ago, when Russia launched

15:50

a full-scale invasion on Ukraine. Since

15:52

then, Poland started to spend almost

15:54

4% on defence. Poland

15:58

is a leader in saying... Look,

16:00

everyone else, the time of

16:03

peace are unfortunately over. The

16:05

threats to European security are real.

16:08

And we need to go back

16:10

to levels that were relatively normal

16:12

during Cold War times. And that's

16:14

much closer to 3% than 2%,

16:18

which is what NATO countries

16:20

agreed to spend by this

16:23

year. So, that's basically another goal

16:25

for the future growth

16:28

of capabilities

16:30

that NATO and European Union

16:32

needs to maintain European peace.

16:35

Michael Baranovsky, thank you so much, as ever,

16:38

for joining us on Monocle Radio. You're listening

16:40

to the briefing. It's

16:59

Class 16 here in London. Time now to

17:01

have a look at the papers. I am

17:04

delighted to say I'm joined in the studio

17:06

today by Christopher Phillips, Professor of International Relations

17:08

at Queen Mary University of London, and the

17:10

author of Battlegrounds 10 Conflicts That

17:12

Explain the New Middle East. Hello,

17:14

Chris. Nice to see you. Let's

17:17

begin with an area very much of

17:19

your focus, which is the Red Sea

17:21

attacks, the Hootie rebels causing

17:24

absolute chaos when it comes

17:26

to disrupting the flow of

17:29

trade across the world. It

17:31

appears, according to a report in the Financial

17:33

Times, that the United States talked

17:35

to Iran about this. Tell us more. Yes,

17:38

so the headline in the FT was

17:40

Washington Held Secret Talks with Iran in

17:42

Push to Halt Red Sea Attacks. And

17:45

what it transpires is that back in

17:47

January, the US did hold indirect talks

17:49

with Iran in Oman,

17:52

which is acting as the broker between

17:54

the two. They were indirect talks. They

17:56

never actually met face to face. But

17:58

the subject matter was those attacks. by

18:00

Houthi rebels on Red Sea shipping. And

18:02

what seems to have happened is

18:05

the US did effectively lobby Iran

18:07

to use its influence with the Houthis to

18:09

try to stop those Red Sea attacks. Now

18:12

Iran has insisted they don't really have

18:14

that level of influence, you know, they're

18:16

often characterised as Iran's proxies but Iran

18:18

insisted we don't have that level of

18:20

control over them, we just share spiritual

18:23

and ideological and political connections. You're sort of

18:25

smiling as you say that. Well it's

18:28

a debated point as to the extent

18:30

to which they can control the Houthi

18:32

rebels. What's interesting actually about this report

18:34

is that Iran clearly has closer

18:37

control over its Shia militia in

18:39

Iraq and Syria which recently attacked

18:42

US positions in Jordan because after

18:44

the US attacked,

18:46

responded rather to those

18:48

militia in Syria and

18:50

Iraq, Iran clearly has influenced

18:53

them and there haven't been any subsequent

18:55

assaults on US positions. It

18:57

seems from this report that actually Iran

18:59

is either choosing not to or is

19:01

not able to exercise the same level

19:04

of influence over the Houthis. And

19:06

what does this report say about the level of the

19:08

United States and how much it may have or may

19:10

not have in the region? Yeah well

19:12

it's interesting this was one of several

19:15

planned talks, these occurred in January, there

19:17

was meant to be more talks in

19:19

February but they were postponed because of

19:22

efforts being made by the US to

19:24

broker a deal between Israel and Hamas

19:27

which ultimately seems to have failed and

19:29

what it shows is that the US is

19:31

extending its influence, it's willing to use diplomatic

19:34

tracks as well as military influence

19:36

in the region but it's also showing on

19:38

both cases it's not being that successful so

19:41

far. Let's move to a

19:43

story in the Times of an almost

19:45

Shakespearean scale, Tale of Revenge. Yes

19:47

so this is the story that

19:50

former South African President Jacob Zuma

19:53

has formed a new party in

19:55

South Africa called MK which

19:58

is seriously challenging In a in

20:00

certain taught the South Africa anyway the dominant

20:03

a Nc party the he used to rule.

20:06

In the upcoming elections in May.

20:08

And and what's fascinating about this

20:10

story is it. It has so

20:12

many layers to it's on the

20:14

one hand as the personally level

20:16

which is Zuma. With that's the

20:18

unseated as President and leader of

20:20

the and see by the current

20:22

President several I'm. Ramapo

20:24

celts and it's possible that it's

20:26

Zimmer is successful he one former

20:29

majority by the looks of it.

20:31

He's currently polling at about thirteen

20:33

percent, but. He will seriously

20:35

dent there and seats and a say

20:37

and see which is always one over

20:40

fifty percent of the vote in all

20:42

of South Africa's elections since the end

20:44

of Apartheid Scotty polling at thirty nine

20:46

percent. if it fails to hit fifty

20:49

percent mark, it's highly possible that Ramaphosa

20:51

will be deposed as a of than

20:53

see says Zuma in this kind of

20:55

revenge Tail seems to be absolutely maximizing

20:58

his political leverage to trying to unseat

21:00

the person who he blames for his

21:02

own full from power and. His fiancee

21:04

is unseated who is last to

21:07

fill the gap. There is no

21:09

there is no single body policy

21:11

which could and replace them. Yes

21:13

A I mean when we sam

21:15

seats. It would just mean that they would

21:17

lose their controlling majority that was still be

21:19

the largest party would have guns coalition with

21:21

with one of several various our opposition groups

21:23

the some that a more in the centre

21:25

right and those on the set of more

21:27

more far left to have more in favor

21:29

of. Read: Reclaiming.

21:32

As for example of white majority businesses

21:35

and a more equal distribution of how

21:37

it would say that I eat equal

21:39

distribution of wealth for all the so

21:41

it it really would. Ah sis, the

21:43

dynamics of post Apartheid politics. There's also

21:45

the global diamonds as well, which is

21:47

that Zuma is quite close to Vladimir

21:50

Putin and it in the past has

21:52

called him a mammoth peace guess. It

21:54

isn't it. This is an interesting thing to the

21:56

same with eighty one years old see who's and

21:58

see said see he was saying. for

22:01

refusing to testify an inquiry about

22:03

corruption. Dee

22:05

released for an undisclosed medical condition

22:08

and I could go on. He

22:10

goes to Russia for treatment, doesn't he?

22:12

So this plays enormously into the geopolitical

22:15

issues, doesn't it, and where this

22:17

country lies and who it deals

22:19

with and who its allies are.

22:22

Absolutely. And it's very much an unexpected

22:25

turn in South African politics that

22:27

could really make those May elections

22:30

really key, not just in

22:32

South Africa but globally as well. Let's

22:35

finally talk about some very large hailstones

22:37

in Kansas. It's kind of a

22:39

picture story so you're going to have to do

22:41

a bit of heavy lifting here, Chris, to describe

22:43

how big this hail is. Sure. So

22:45

this is a report in The Guardian called

22:47

Gorilla Hail, expected in parts of Kansas and

22:51

Missouri. And I

22:53

think the best way of describing

22:56

it is utilizing the text itself.

22:59

Someone's talking about gorilla hail, which is

23:01

the size of a baseball. And

23:04

someone is quoted,

23:06

read Timoth, he's a

23:08

storm chaser and carries these kind

23:10

of issues. He

23:12

describes it as gorilla hail

23:15

because it's the size of a baseball. And

23:17

another commentator noted that when

23:19

you get up to tennis ball, baseball

23:21

or, God forbid, softball size, then they

23:24

can do tremendous amounts of damage. And

23:26

they do sound absolutely terrifying. At least

23:28

they're not the size of a gorilla. Chris Phillips, thank

23:30

you so much for joining us in the studio. You're

23:32

listening to the briefing on Molecular Radio. We're

23:44

going to start in Sao Paulo, well, late breakfast-ish,

23:46

at 9.23am, which is where we

23:49

head now to join our senior correspondent

23:51

and music curator Fernando Agusta-Pascheco. He's

23:53

on the line from Sao Paulo to bring us

23:55

a global countdown. Bon jia. Bon

23:58

jia, Emma. And by the way, I do. love

24:00

a late breakfast I have to say. You know

24:02

me that, right? Are we at breakfast time yet

24:04

where you are? Are we still like warming up a bit? No,

24:07

I think we are at breakfast. So it's

24:09

9.24am here in St. Paul. It's a

24:11

lovely sunny day. In fact, it's

24:14

funny because I came from London, right? So I'm

24:16

loving the heat, but I've seen people here, they're

24:18

complaining because apparently it's going to be 36 on

24:20

Saturday. And yeah, people are not happy

24:23

about that. I am. Okay. Yeah, send

24:25

them this way. We'll put them right. Exactly.

24:27

Exactly. I agree with you 100%. So

24:30

in this terrible situation that you find

24:32

yourself in, enjoying the prospect of a

24:34

late breakfast in warm weather, you've

24:37

had to tear yourself away from what I can

24:39

only describe as a nice time to find us

24:41

some nice music. Now that's always a debatable issue

24:43

when it comes to adjectives on the global countdown,

24:45

but you're going to dissuade us of the, well,

24:48

you're going to persuade us otherwise, aren't you, Faye?

24:50

Where do we begin? What kind of music are

24:52

we looking at today? Well, first

24:54

of all, today's a special, I'm not

24:56

looking necessarily at the Brazilian charts. So

24:58

basically this is my five tips of

25:01

new Brazilian music, where you should be

25:03

listening. Although not all of those artists

25:05

are in the charts, they're very successful.

25:07

People are listening and enjoying themselves here

25:10

on the down floor, listening to the songs. I

25:12

hope you like it's very varied

25:14

in a way. We're starting something

25:16

quite smooth and beautiful. It's typical

25:19

MPB, which is this genre,

25:21

which is this post-Bosanova kind

25:23

of vibe in Brazilian music, mixing samba,

25:25

jazz, a little bit of rock. This

25:28

is Giotto, he's actually from São Paulo

25:30

with the band Giusso. Well,

25:46

that was all rather celvety, wasn't it? I mean, it's

25:49

all very terribly smooth and how

25:52

much of an impact is that kind of music making

25:54

on the Brazilian market? Because it's lovely,

25:56

but I can't really say I could remember humming the

25:58

tune much after home. it for the

26:00

first time. Yeah well it's

26:02

interesting because of course Brazilians love country

26:04

music and fun, they are massive

26:07

genres on the radio but I think there is

26:09

a space for this type of music as well

26:11

which is to be honest where Brazilian music used

26:13

to be known in the 70s and the 80s

26:16

and the band talking about

26:18

those legendary musicians, Juson, they

26:20

are one of them is

26:23

the son of Gilbert Du Jus which is a

26:25

Brazilian music legend and two of them are the

26:27

grandsons of Gilbert Du Jus so they are kind

26:29

of continuing this tradition from

26:32

the great Juson which you know I think you

26:34

know Emma because I know you like some Brazilian

26:36

music. I do, I love it and

26:38

I love the fact that generations continue,

26:40

it is something rather special and precious

26:42

about Brazil's music. And

26:45

it's now it's flamboyance speaking

26:48

of which, number four please. I mean

26:51

number four is extremely flamboyant is

26:53

a drag queen pop star,

26:55

she's one of the biggest pop stars

26:57

in Brazil without a doubt

26:59

and this time she mixed what Brazilians

27:01

love which is kind of, it's lightly

27:03

cheesy but also it's a cover of

27:05

a rock set track and I'll tell

27:07

you this later Emma but Brazilians are

27:09

obsessed with rock set, there's been multiple

27:12

articles on the topic including one that

27:14

I did on Monaco but let's have

27:16

a listen Pablo Vitar with Pégipro Ficat,

27:18

the version of Listen to Your Heart.

27:35

Hello there we are, a Brazilian drag queen

27:37

lyric, covering rock set with a

27:39

rather fruity, if rather lame video as well. Do

27:41

go and have a look at it if you

27:43

sort of want to watch it sort of from

27:45

behind the sofa. I love

27:48

a fruity video, it's

27:50

so fruity, it's so delicious, it's very oh

27:53

god it's summer, it's distilled

27:55

summer there, I'm a big fan of

27:57

Pablo and can I say something Emma,

27:59

Pégipro the surviving member of Rokset.

28:01

He did listen to this track and he

28:03

said he loved it. He said, oh you

28:05

know, it changes a few things from the

28:07

original one but it's approved. It's approved by

28:09

Rokset. In which case it gets the thumbs

28:11

up from Monocle. Number

28:14

three, a terrible video, nice

28:16

mid-century house. I've forgotten the

28:19

song already. It's a beautiful

28:21

track. I mean this is a new discovery

28:23

for me. It's To You. It's

28:25

a band from the south of Brazil and

28:27

you know they mix kind of folk pop,

28:30

a little bit of ambient music. And this

28:32

track is together with Luegia Luna which I

28:34

interviewed her for Monocle magazine a few years

28:36

ago. I mean she's great. It's

28:38

very, it's all about contemplation.

28:40

It's all about being connected

28:43

to nature in a

28:45

way, tranquil landscapes. You

28:48

know, I need to show you all the different vibes,

28:50

Emma. Let's have a listen to To You and Luegia

28:52

Luna by Zazin. There

29:06

you are showing me all the vibes. Thank you Faye for

29:08

that. It sort of has

29:10

a kind of like a mid 80s Alexandra O'Neill kind

29:13

of vibe to it. I love it. I do love,

29:15

I love the building in the video. The rest of

29:17

it, I'm afraid I've forgotten it. Oh don't

29:21

be so harsh, I'm joking. But number two,

29:23

I think, do you want something a little

29:25

bit more uptempo? Yes, I want people dancing

29:27

in underwear. Well, I

29:29

mean you're in the right song because look at

29:31

the lyrics of this next track before I introduce

29:33

this. I miss you now,

29:35

I'll see you in the evening. I

29:38

want to groove on top of you

29:40

much better. That's the lyrics. It's only

29:42

half past nine in the morning where

29:44

you are. It's clearly very warm. I'm

29:46

just doing my job as a journalist. Let's

29:48

have a listen to the great Duda

29:51

beat from his Sifi with Saldar Di

29:53

Givossi. I

30:07

feel as if I need to be with some inappropriate friends

30:09

in a car with a window down. I think maybe

30:12

your geographical location has formed your choice

30:14

this week in a very, very obvious

30:16

way. That this is all hot weather

30:18

music. If you're crawling around in boots

30:20

and you're anorak in the United Kingdom,

30:22

this seems like a very, very long

30:24

way away face. So we're immensely grateful

30:27

for the warmth that you're sending to

30:29

the northern hemisphere. Thank

30:31

you very much. And she's great. She's fun.

30:33

And did you notice the Miami bass beats

30:35

as well? So she kind of likes to

30:37

mix the genres as well. I loved the

30:39

beat. I think it's a great song for

30:41

the summer. I didn't notice that, but I did

30:43

notice a video with the people in their wife fronts.

30:45

Put some clothes on Brazil.

30:48

Right. Finally, a song, your number one top

30:50

favorite and something that actually is on the

30:53

Monocle radio playlist. So sort of killing two

30:55

birds is one stone here. We have cursed

30:57

early mornings. Is that correct? Is

31:00

that correct? And you know, we, it's time

31:02

for some existential disco. The

31:04

next artist he started his career as kind of

31:06

a rapper. I mean, there's a lot of hip

31:08

hop elements to his music, but his latest album,

31:11

it's a little bit of funk, a

31:13

little bit of disco, but as I

31:16

said, existential. He questioned is there life

31:18

outside of, you know, he talks about

31:20

happiness, but don't worry. I'm looking still

31:22

down. It's FBC with Madrigada. I'm all

31:25

Jita. That's

31:39

pretty well put together. I'm an existential

31:41

disco. What next? They, yes,

31:44

I love existential disco. I have to say,

31:46

because I'm actually, I'm a quite thoughtful person.

31:48

Sometimes I'm dancing and I'm thinking about my

31:50

life and all the problems. You know, it's

31:53

funny. I must ask you what, for those of

31:55

us who aren't intimately acquainted with existential disco, what

31:57

is it? Well, it's.

32:00

it's disco that makes you think

32:02

about life outside us or you

32:04

know or you have to pay

32:07

your bills. You've had a lot of sun haven't

32:10

you Faye since you were there? I did. Very

32:13

warm. Faye thank you so much for

32:15

joining us on the line from Sao Paulo and

32:17

we will be posting that little conversation online

32:19

at its own individual segment in a little

32:21

while so you can go back and enjoy

32:23

every single trek in its entirety. Féland Auguste

32:25

Vácheka thank you so much for joining us.

32:28

And that's all the time we have for

32:30

today's edition of The Briefing, the warmest thanks

32:32

to all my guests and to the producer

32:34

Lillian Fawcett. Our resort researcher was George Ruskin

32:37

and our studio manager was Lily Austin.

32:39

The briefing is back tomorrow at the same

32:41

time but for now from me Emma Nelson

32:43

goodbye thank you very much for listening.