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rotandi and Scott Ryan. Let's go

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What's up, everybody welcome to the Bronx pinstripe show

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Scott, maybe you should be doing the intro since

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I'm just your sidekick Well,

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that's what happens when you disappear from So

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happy if not on Twitter anymore. It's the best

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decision I ever made Um

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Yeah, so you are the

1:06

sidekick I mean, you

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know, it's one of those it's one of those things

1:10

that you did when the communication goes through one person

1:13

and the other person is is Is

1:16

there for conversation then I

1:19

guess they don't know the name But

1:21

yeah, I was there I was present maybe

1:23

not as present as you of at least

1:25

people are at least

1:28

At least he knows we're different people since a

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lot of people have listened to this podcast since

1:32

2015 still Don't

1:34

know who's who and what's what and

1:37

whatever YouTube's open that YouTube.

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You know, they could see They

1:41

could see our faces our beautiful older

1:43

older faces We should

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have done this a long time ago and we were younger

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and more beautiful Yes, we should

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have you to back in 2015 and we just

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didn't because who the hell knows also The

1:54

amount of people it for the first like few years

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that were like, are you guys related? I'm like, do

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you see the name? You see the names

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are different. I know they're both R's, but those

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are different letters after they are. You

2:05

could be cousins. Cousins have different

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last names sometimes. But they thought we were

2:09

related because we were blood related. But

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we're not. Although there are some

2:18

very strange ties

2:20

in our personal lives that

2:23

have woven in the past, which are

2:25

like really eerily weird that

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are just complete coincidences with

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your wife knowing people that I grew

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up with very well. You living

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in a town that I essentially grew up with.

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Yeah, it's crazy. Oh,

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by the way, I'm coming there. I forgot to tell you that. We

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got to lock up soon. Okay.

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Do you want to see me or no? It doesn't

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sound like you do. No, no. These

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are plans that just came together

2:54

like yesterday, I think. This

2:57

is really the first time I've been able to mention

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it. You're lucky I've mentioned it because I would have

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forgotten. Usually I forget these things. Then I'm like, oh

3:03

shit, I'm on the way here. Guess who else is

3:05

here? I'm assuming it's next week for Christmas. Yeah.

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Okay. Maybe I'll see you. You

3:11

coming to Ramsey? Coming to Ramsey. Okay, cool.

3:13

Maybe I'll see you. Maybe we can record.

3:15

Maybe you can be sitting right here next

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to me next episode and we could just

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do this in person looking at a

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camera. I don't know. That's aggressive. That's aggressive.

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We would still do it remotely. This

3:28

is Thursday. We usually record on Wednesdays in

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the off season. We deleted a day for

3:32

a couple of reasons. We thought maybe Yamamoto

3:35

might sign with the team. There's

3:37

a lot of smoke around that fire. As

3:41

soon as we said that out loud, we knew damn well that

3:43

wasn't going to happen. No. As

3:46

soon as we put it out into the world of

3:48

like, hey, you know what? Let's give it another day. Zero

3:51

chance it's going to happen. It's going to happen right after this and then we're going

3:53

to have to record again. We were trying to

3:55

avoid exactly that scenario where we finished recording at 10

3:57

o'clock in the morning on a Wednesday and at 11. AM,

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there's news that he signs with the team because that's

4:03

happened to us so often. So maybe we'll give it

4:05

another day and something would happen. I don't know though,

4:07

do you think it's going to happen like this weekend?

4:09

I feel like this weekend because Christmas also is on

4:11

a Monday. So starting this Friday, like nothing's

4:13

happening for four straight days. Yeah.

4:16

If you listen to everybody who's talking about

4:18

this one, they're, they're in a vacuum and

4:21

they're, all they do is complain that there's

4:23

an insane amount of

4:25

misinformation around this specific negotiation,

4:27

quote unquote. Um, but

4:30

you know, a number, two of the

4:32

guys that, that have been, uh, you

4:35

know, following it pretty closely or talking

4:37

about Friday this week, this week in some

4:39

capacity, so maybe, you know, we'll see. I don't

4:41

know. I'm not going to pretend to

4:43

know, but at the same time, I hope it does.

4:45

He's got till January 4th, right? That's the cutoff. That's

4:47

the, that's, that's when he does have to make a

4:50

decision by. So, um, you know,

4:52

it could happen now or it could happen all

4:54

the way up until any day until January 4th.

4:57

There is a, I think this was a 30 for

4:59

30 or something. I forget

5:02

where, what this story is, but basically, unfortunately,

5:04

it's how the Red Sox ended up acquiring

5:06

Curt Schilling back in the day is

5:09

Theo Epstein traveled to

5:12

Curt Schilling's house in Arizona. Cause he was

5:14

with the diamond max at that time on

5:16

Thanksgiving and literally showed up at his door

5:18

on Thanksgiving morning, like unannounced and convinced them

5:21

to come to the Red Sox

5:23

because the Yankees were also in contention

5:25

for trading for Curt Schilling. Um, and

5:28

this was right after the Yankees had swooped in

5:30

and signed, Oh God, uh, what's

5:32

his name, the Cuban pitcher. Why am I drawing a

5:34

blank on this guy's name? Contreras. Yes.

5:36

Jose Contreras. Jose Contreras, which was

5:38

a disaster. But the Red Sox

5:41

were also heavy in on Jose Contreras and

5:43

the Yankees swooped in. So the Red Sox were

5:45

pivoting and they're like, all right, we got to

5:47

do something immediate. Um, and so

5:49

maybe this is an opportunity if Brian Cashman

5:51

really wants to land Yamamoto show up at

5:53

his door, wherever he is. I think he's

5:55

in the U S traveling around right now,

5:57

show up at his hotel room Christmas morning.

6:00

or Christmas Eve to just put that over

6:02

the top. Here's a bag

6:04

of money and also come to the Yankees.

6:07

Like Santa Claus, just throw a beer on

6:09

and throw the bag of money. You've seen

6:11

Brian Cashman propel down the buildings in a

6:13

Santa hat. Repel. Repel,

6:16

what did I say? Unpropel.

6:19

Whatever. He's not a helicopter. He's not a helicopter. He

6:22

was propelling down. He was swooping

6:24

in Santa hat, bag of money, or maybe

6:26

Hal can do it. I don't know. Someone

6:28

show up. I'm different. Hal showing up

6:30

with a bag of money. Wouldn't you like a giant bag of money? I

6:33

would. I would love a bag of money. I

6:35

would love Hal Steinbrenner to deliver a bag

6:37

of money to me. That would be amazing. That

6:40

would really just, I think, knock the boots

6:42

off a Yankees fence. George is

6:44

back. He's

6:46

back. This guy's throwing around cash now

6:48

too. So yeah, that would be a good thing. Look,

6:51

at the end of the day, we're looking at what

6:53

Yamamoto is. And part of the conversation that we're going

6:55

to have today is I think looking at where the

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price is driven because it's seemingly, I know

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we talked about this in the last episode a little bit, but

7:03

it's gone up. It's gone up a good amount. It

7:06

goes up with every day. As

7:10

the rumor mill is expressing, it's

7:12

gone up. There's a

7:14

lot of people involved. The Phillies, I think, just made an

7:16

offer as well. So what was close to 100 to 150

7:19

to 200 to 250, you're looking at probably 250

7:21

to 300 million.

7:28

I mean, anything between eight and 12 years, it's

7:31

a lot. He's 25 years old, which is

7:33

the same age that Tanaka was when he

7:35

came over. Although Japanese

7:37

pitchers, I think, they

7:40

start earlier in the professional league than major

7:42

league pitchers for the most part. I

7:46

know Tanaka was pitching in the professional Japanese

7:48

league when he was 19 years old

7:50

or something like that. I don't

7:52

know if Yamamoto, I can look that up quickly.

7:54

But yeah, the original

8:00

contract projections for Yamamoto, I remember when we

8:02

were doing our GM plans were in the

8:04

seven year 200 to $220 million range, which

8:06

is between 29, 30 million AAV. And

8:12

now like you said, the projections are 10 years,

8:14

300 million, so still around 30 million

8:18

AAV, but three extra years. Yeah.

8:21

And I think if it

8:23

were to climb to this- He was 18 years

8:25

old in his first- Yeah,

8:31

the numbers are going to be to spread out like those years,

8:34

I believe would be to spread out the

8:36

contract, lower the AAV as well.

8:38

But it's just a big, it's

8:40

a really big investment for someone obviously that hasn't

8:42

thrown in the major leagues. I don't really think

8:45

that's as much of a consideration. I don't think

8:47

it's really a consideration at all for a lot

8:49

of the GMs because they believe that

8:51

everything translates, that his stuff

8:54

translates, that we've

8:56

seen enough success of guys

8:59

coming over from Japan into the

9:01

major leagues and have tremendous success,

9:03

really no drop off to

9:06

give them enough confidence that it really doesn't matter as

9:08

much. On the other side of the offensive

9:11

side is where you see potential drop off. But

9:15

there's clearly no, and I know

9:17

that Cohen went over there, all

9:20

the latest is that Yamamoto was in

9:22

New York with a dinner with Cohen

9:24

and then was texting, saying, hey, Cashman,

9:27

you around? Can

9:30

we meet? You up? Yeah. Can

9:33

we get together? And so he met with both

9:35

teams and Cohen flew

9:37

over to Japan and met with them. Cashman

9:41

and company have been over

9:43

in Japan scouting him, watching him pitch. They were there

9:45

when he pitched with no hitter. They

9:48

have been all in on Yamamoto for quite

9:50

some time now. So it's not like it's

9:53

not going both ways. He

9:58

Intimately knows that New York Yankees and Brian Cashman. This point

10:00

or two for them to to make it good

10:02

decision and it's you know you you mentioned are

10:04

U S last week. It.

10:07

If I think you're it'll go to the highest

10:09

bidder. I think it was around him or maybe

10:11

was around a tiny but I think at this

10:13

point. Like. I said last week I

10:16

think that the highest bidders going to be so close

10:18

to the next highest bidder been possibly be to the

10:20

next highest bidder that the just going to pick a

10:22

situation he wants at that at the end of the

10:24

days you think the situation he wants and if it's

10:27

the Yankees if you're so good in New York. And

10:29

you choose the Mets than okay yeah there's probably

10:32

a significant dollar amount difference because otherwise you pick

10:34

in the Yankees are are at all. No I

10:36

don't know why you would think that the mess

10:38

give you a better chance to win this point.

10:41

Well. What is he? Obviously.

10:44

Wants to win is not going to vote for

10:46

many reasons. is not going to sign with a

10:48

bad team because a bad teams also not going

10:50

to be in contention for him. but what does

10:52

He also wants to be the men because I've

10:54

also read some things on him that a reason

10:56

he might not be with the dup. go with

10:58

the Dodgers anymore as because of tiny and is

11:00

a want to live in or tony shadow was

11:02

he wants to be the guy the number one

11:04

guy or whatever team he signs with. and there's

11:06

Derek Whole with the aggies dirt calls Yankees number

11:08

one pitcher. In twenty twenty four was

11:10

a sign. Yum, We're not. So what if he

11:13

wants to? Maybe? Be. The leader.

11:15

On whatever team besides with which would then

11:18

bring in the Giants in contention. Which is

11:20

also interesting because he's in direct competition in

11:22

the same division with oh Tommy! That.

11:24

Could that could be something he might

11:27

be interested in? Or the Mets because.

11:29

That. He would fill that role for the mess, but he wouldn't be so

11:31

in that role for the and. Yeah.

11:33

Be careful what you what you wish for

11:36

being in direct competition with the Dodgers in

11:38

division at that point because while at that

11:40

point yet the Dodgers are are definitely better

11:42

team in the Giants but if he if

11:44

he wants to go head to head with

11:46

a tiny she would have a better to

11:48

have. Also what I'm not I'm not ever

11:50

going head to head with that like a

11:52

physical Totti to say that's it. You're gonna

11:54

lose, Have Taught is gonna win. Yes,

11:56

Yes! falling out the best of best choice to do

11:58

that if you're if you're the and for

12:01

some type of a showcase limelight situation. I

12:04

would go to the other side of the country, play

12:06

in the other league for the

12:08

New York, storied New York Yankees. And

12:10

maybe see him in the World Series.

12:13

There you go. That would be, now that's

12:15

a showdown if you're able to get to the

12:18

World Series and you have those two guys going

12:20

up against each other. That's

12:23

attention. That's a lot of attention right there. When

12:27

the Yankees, all the reports around Soto, we

12:30

were saying, Yankees have to trade for Soto. If this

12:32

doesn't happen, what are they gonna pivot to? That's gonna

12:34

be bad. I don't feel that

12:36

same way with Yamamoto. If

12:38

Yamamoto signs with another team, I

12:40

don't feel like the Yankees are in

12:43

a bad spot. And

12:45

there's a couple reasons. I mean, one is because

12:47

there's other options, which we can talk about. But

12:49

also, I didn't go into

12:51

this off season thinking pitching was such

12:54

a humongous need that they

12:56

had to go get Yamamoto. Yeah,

13:00

but at the same time, you look at what it was

13:02

last year and pitching is certainly an issue.

13:06

There's a couple things that stem from not

13:08

getting Yamamoto in my opinion. If you're

13:10

not getting Yamamoto, Yamamoto is a eight,

13:12

10, 12 year contract, whatever it is,

13:14

it's a long-term contract. It's setting you

13:16

up for years beyond this. Obviously

13:20

with the Juan Soto signing, that's a

13:22

one year deal. You're going after 2024

13:27

and you know you need to win there.

13:29

If you sign him long-term, then great.

13:31

But there's absolutely nothing

13:34

indicating that that's going to happen at this point and

13:36

you can't bank on that. So if

13:38

they don't get a guy like

13:40

Yamamoto, the looking at

13:42

contingency plans, it's interesting because I think it

13:45

could shift in how they are going

13:47

after certain guys. And

13:50

I think this brings back into play The

13:53

situation that you and Logan had with Corbin

13:55

Burns. Corbin Burns is a one year guy.

13:57

He's a top flight guy, he's 29 years

13:59

old, but he's... Going into a free agent

14:01

year you you? if you lose Yamamoto, you

14:03

still need to address pitching like that, you

14:05

absolutely have to addressing you. Can't say that.

14:07

Carlos for don't even know they try to

14:09

address the last year is the guy that

14:11

is gonna be the number two. He showed

14:13

nothing remotely. Close. To that guy

14:16

at all. So damn figured out how to

14:18

the injury concerns right? Like if he was

14:20

healthy, all your and just had a bad

14:22

year, you're like, okay, he needs to rebound,

14:24

but at least he made thirty starts or

14:26

something. But he was out for most of

14:28

the season, so are you just can't That's

14:30

not a reliable. In. My mind,

14:32

you can't go insane. That's a reliable peace

14:34

or unfortunately you can't go into next. You're

14:36

saying Nestor Cortez is a reliable peace. Because.

14:38

Of the answers so you have you

14:40

call ignored in their pitching. You

14:43

can make an order of the pitching is

14:45

is is is up there. Even know the

14:47

glaring effort that the Yankees hat on the

14:49

offensive side was was terrible and if those

14:51

my point. That. The off a

14:53

cheeseburger teaching is still a thing. It is still

14:55

need. And I think they

14:57

will address it whether they get

14:59

your monitor not or not, but

15:01

the drop off between acquiring Soto

15:03

and then maybe pivoting to Ballenger

15:06

in free agency or some other

15:08

options. With such a massive dip,

15:10

I don't feel that same way

15:12

with the options behind Yamamoto. That's.

15:17

I think that's true because also, Not.

15:21

Seen Yamamoto I think helps that thought that

15:23

thought process to but yes there are other

15:25

options as close as acts a factor but

15:27

like also. Competitions you to

15:29

be a lot more steep for these

15:31

other guys. Don't forget that to Yamamoto

15:33

there are what three teams yet met

15:35

Yankees and Dodgers that are truly and

15:38

on him Phillies unlimited offer. The Red

15:40

Sox are the dark horse that you

15:42

your of but. In: When you

15:44

when you start going after and you look

15:46

at Snell Montgomery. i'm you know some

15:48

of these other these other options even like

15:50

are trading for ceased trading for for according

15:52

burns i deserve these are guys that are

15:54

going to have a lot more competition in

15:56

the major leagues as far as who can

15:58

who could acquire them suggest you do have

16:00

other options, but there is no

16:03

guarantee that you can assemble a team

16:05

that is going to satisfy

16:07

your pitch on the pitching side. You just

16:10

you can't do it. You can't just pay the guys to

16:12

come over here anymore. You're going to have a lot more

16:14

competition. Otherwise you're overpaying way

16:16

overpaying for a known commodity with a

16:18

Jordan Montgomery or a Blake

16:21

Snell or someone like that. So

16:23

that's the other thing you're more overpaying

16:25

for Snell or Montgomery than you are

16:27

for Yamamoto because no, I'm saying as

16:30

far as the market, as

16:32

far as the market is dictating, they,

16:34

you know what they are, you know what their, their

16:36

range is. Yamamoto is a little bit more of a

16:38

wild card and I think that's, that's

16:40

another piece of why it's driving, driving

16:42

his, his price up. But yeah, you would

16:44

clearly be overpaying for a Snell or clearly

16:46

overpaying for a Montgomery if you needed to

16:49

land those guys as a, as

16:51

a, you know, a last effort. If you had to

16:53

get those guys, you probably have to go in with

16:55

a, with a pretty significant offer that, that yeah, might

16:57

be an overpay because you're going to be competing with

16:59

a lot more teams. Could

17:03

an argument be made that signing Jordan Montgomery for $150

17:05

million is safer than signing Yamamoto for

17:09

$300 million? Yeah, I could make an

17:11

argument that you put that $300 million to better use if

17:15

you're signing two guys, but again, it changes the dynamic

17:17

of what you're doing. Yeah.

17:19

And also like if you trade for Corbin Burns,

17:21

like you said, he's going to hit free

17:23

agency after this year. He's got one more year

17:25

of team control. Why does that completely take

17:27

you out of a free agent starting pitcher that

17:30

shouldn't be, you could also say

17:32

there's a lot of things that happen, especially because they

17:34

just traded away Michael King. Yeah,

17:37

I think they actually do. And I,

17:39

but, but again, like that's a trade. So a

17:41

trade is something that's difficult to bank on, especially

17:44

with the Brewers.

17:46

I mean, they're, they're in a position now that

17:48

they do have a lot of leverage with, with

17:50

burns. As soon as Yamamoto signs the,

17:52

the Brewers are just like, you know, pining,

17:55

you're chopping at the bit to get to get the

17:57

offer. What's your best offer? Like let's, let's see what

17:59

it is. We're going to talk about

18:01

us competing for a while and tell

18:04

everybody that we're competing, but are we really competing?

18:08

Although couldn't you see Cashman not

18:10

wanting to trade more prospects away

18:12

for Corbin Burns? Well, that's the

18:14

thing. That's the thing. They're going after

18:16

now. That's

18:18

where I think the interesting conversation happens around

18:21

strategy is Brian Cashman just going

18:23

after 2024 at this point, because with

18:25

Juan Soto, you now, you

18:27

need to capitalize on next year and next year

18:30

alone. You don't have to be on

18:32

next year right now. You can't

18:34

wait. You can't just say, okay, well,

18:36

you know, we'll get a guy that that will be a

18:38

really good long-term deal, but not have

18:40

the 2024 season addressed. And

18:42

that's why Corbin Burns coming in is really

18:45

interesting at that point, because now if you're

18:48

going after 2024 and

18:50

the long-term options are not as

18:52

enticing for 2024, then yeah,

18:55

Corbin Burns, I think becomes more of a clear

18:58

option for Cashman at that point. But

19:00

you can kind of do this all over again, and

19:02

then we do this all over again next offseason. But

19:04

you could sign Montgomery or Snell for six years, which

19:07

is a long-term option. You could trade for Corbin

19:09

Burns, which is a short-term option that could turn

19:12

into a long option the same way you traded

19:14

for Juan Soto and Verdugo, which

19:16

are short-term options that could turn into

19:18

long-term options. Yes,

19:21

you could. But again, the stress of

19:23

importance on 2024, if you don't sign

19:25

Yamamoto, to me, becomes even more, even

19:27

higher. So that way, that way, then

19:29

yes, I think you go back to

19:31

the Corbin Burns. I think Corbin Burns

19:34

actually becomes more of an opportunity at

19:36

that point. That's where I'm

19:38

going. And then you have to, and then yes,

19:40

looking at something for Montgomery would make a lot

19:42

more sense at that point to sustain some

19:45

of the pitching for

19:47

long-term, but the burns become that much more

19:49

of an option. If the

19:51

Yankee signing Yamamoto, let's call it 10 years, 300,

19:53

you'd probably say they're done

19:56

for as far as significant... I

19:58

still think they add another... but

20:00

as far as like a major move, probably not.

20:03

A move that you would get excited about. Well,

20:07

you know, I can't do it.

20:09

My point is you could more

20:11

realistically see them signing Montgomery and

20:13

trading for Burns than signing Yamamoto

20:16

and signing, or signing Yamamoto

20:18

and signing another pitcher or and trading for

20:20

another pitcher. I think all of your- 10

20:22

years, 300 is so massive. It

20:25

all depends if they don't, I

20:27

think they're going after Yamamoto no matter what. Clearly,

20:30

they're going after him. No, my point is

20:32

if they lose out on Yamamoto, then what

20:34

is that secondary option? So you take Yamamoto

20:36

out of the equation for a minute, assume

20:39

that they don't sign him. That's where

20:41

I think Corbin Burns becomes more attractive because you have to

20:43

lock down 2024. You

20:46

have to prioritize 2024 over long-term deals

20:49

at that point. So he becomes the priority. He's

20:51

the best pitcher on the market at that point,

20:53

right? Best pitcher on the

20:55

market, so, or on the court market. Snell just

20:58

won the Cy Young. Snell, Snell, yeah, for

21:00

whatever reason, like the- I'm not a huge Snell guy. I don't want

21:02

the Yankees to sign both. He walks a ton of guys. There's-

21:05

I think he's way too much- There's things around Snell. You

21:08

talk about, exactly. You talk about a wild

21:10

card in Yamamoto because we've never seen him

21:12

pitch in the major leagues. I

21:14

think Snell, even though we just saw him win the

21:16

Cy Young, is a wild card, bringing him to New

21:18

York. I

21:20

already have a wild card with Carlos Verdun, okay?

21:23

That's why I like the idea of bringing

21:25

Montgomery back because that's not a wild card.

21:28

Is he going to be the Jordan Montgomery we've seen since the

21:30

Yankees traded him away? I don't know. I

21:32

hope so. I would hope so. But if

21:35

he's, you know, somewhere between

21:37

the Yankees Montgomery and the

21:39

Cardinals slash Rangers Montgomery, that

21:42

is a very consistent number three in your rotation

21:44

that pitches every fifth day. Go look at his

21:46

baseball reference. He goes out there and takes the

21:48

ball every fifth day. And that's something this rotation,

21:50

other than cold, does not have. Yeah,

21:53

no, I agree. I 100% agree. So

21:56

Montgomery, I still think is in play no matter what. But again,

21:58

2024 becomes that much. more

22:00

needed to address. So Corbin Burns, I think

22:02

becomes a priority at that point. And

22:05

because it's a trade, you could go parallel path.

22:07

Like signing Jordan Montgomery doesn't matter. It

22:09

doesn't really change what you're doing. That's what I'm

22:11

saying. Yeah, Corbin Burns. You do that anyway, but

22:13

Corbin Burns becomes more of a priority at that

22:16

point, I think. So back in

22:18

the GM episode. You almost have to overcompensate

22:20

for not getting Yamamoto because 2024 becomes

22:22

that much more important because of Juan Soto

22:25

leaving, potentially leaving. Yeah,

22:27

you got to maximize. You got to

22:29

maximize it. So you got to go after it. And if

22:31

Corbin Burns, he's the one year guy that comes in, you're

22:33

bringing a potential top of the rotation type guy in there.

22:37

The more I'm talking about it, the more I'm thinking

22:39

probably do it anyway. And you have

22:41

both of them at that point. Even if you sign

22:43

Yamamoto, again, like we're looking at the minor leagues and

22:46

what's going to get Corbin

22:49

Burns. Is there a

22:51

package that's still giving up more prospects

22:54

that you still feel comfortable with that

22:56

could lead that trade

22:59

negotiation amongst other players, amongst

23:01

other teams? So

23:05

the package that Logan and I came up

23:07

with for Corbin Burns in our GM episode

23:09

was Clark Schmidt, Drew Thorpe and Trey Sweeney.

23:12

Now, obviously Thorpe and Sweeney have both been

23:14

dealt already the soft season. So you'd have

23:16

to replace those prospects. But that basically got

23:18

you to an even package according to that

23:21

baseball trade values website of 32 value for

23:23

Corbin Burns. And then Clark Schmidt has a

23:25

value of 17 right now. And

23:27

then those prospects had a value of combined to

23:30

make up the difference. So the Yankees would

23:32

have to trade probably Clark

23:34

Schmidt. So you're taking

23:37

out a rotation piece, even if Clark Schmidt is

23:39

only going to be a number five rotation piece,

23:41

you're taking out a rotation piece to add a

23:43

better rotation piece plus some prospects. Because I would

23:46

imagine the Brewers, even if they know they're not

23:48

going to compete next year, still want a young

23:50

controllable starting pitcher. Yeah.

23:53

So again, that is going after it in 2024 at that

23:55

point. Can you replace a guy

23:57

like Clark Schmidt? Yeah, you can. I think you can

23:59

replace. place again, you have to, they're

24:01

in, they're in a position now where

24:04

you have to maximize everything for next

24:06

year. You have to. And if

24:08

that means, you know, getting, Clark Schmidt has

24:10

what, three, is it three more years of

24:12

control to after 2024, something like that.

24:16

I'm going to quickly look that up. I think it's he,

24:19

yeah, he, again, you

24:21

get back into that situation where you're,

24:23

you're looking at, uh, do

24:25

I, do I value Corbin Burns for one year

24:27

or a guy like, um,

24:29

Clark Schmidt for additional years. So

24:31

this is, uh, he's a super

24:33

two player. So he's going

24:35

to have four years of arbitration instead of

24:37

three years of arbitration. And his,

24:39

this is, so we're entering his first year

24:41

of arbitration. So his early is free agency

24:43

is 2028. Okay. That's, I mean,

24:46

that's four, five, six, seven. He's got

24:48

four years of team control. Yeah.

24:51

But he's a super two player. And

24:53

what that means is he'll make more

24:56

money than

24:58

he would have otherwise in arbitrary

25:01

arbitration. Who gives a shit,

25:04

but again, he gives a shit. No,

25:07

I'm saying from the Yankee side, who gives a shit? If

25:09

you're making a little bit more, you're still controlling that player.

25:11

The control is still there for,

25:13

for looking at other teams. So

25:15

yeah, the it's, it's a, it's a lot to

25:17

pay for, for a guy at one year. But

25:19

again, because of one Soto now, because of the

25:21

moves that they've made, you have to go after

25:23

2024. I know I keep saying that, but it's,

25:25

it's like you look at the two different strategies

25:28

of Yamamoto, which yes, you're going after 24, but

25:30

it also solidifies your future. If you don't get

25:32

Yamamoto, I think you brand cashman now

25:34

has to become a 2024 assassin.

25:36

He's got to go after everything for next

25:38

year. You have to. Otherwise

25:41

the Verdugo Soto moves don't make any sense.

25:43

If you stop, it doesn't matter. If you

25:45

stop short, what was the point of going

25:47

and acquiring those two outfielders? Don't stop short

25:49

with me. I'm not that kind of guy.

25:51

This is a, this is,

25:55

this is right. That's the argument we have

25:57

talked about with this team, with the budget

25:59

that they've. seemingly been operating under. You

26:02

are only hamstringing yourself when you go to a

26:04

certain point, and then there's one more piece that

26:06

maybe puts you over the top or puts you

26:08

in that much better position, but you stop because

26:11

of an arbitrary budget you have put on yourself.

26:13

What is the point of that? What is the

26:15

difference, really, Hal, of

26:17

spending $300 million on payroll or

26:19

$275 million on payroll? I

26:22

understand there is literally a value difference, but

26:25

come on, you're already spending at the

26:27

top of the league. You're already spending a ton

26:29

of luxury tax. Just go do it

26:31

so you can have a better chance to win. I

26:34

think it's an old narrative at this point. I

26:36

think that they've talked about going over it and

26:39

being able to go over it. I'm talking about

26:41

previous years. I'm talking about 2018 through now. Okay,

26:46

let's not dwell on the past. Let's look at it

26:48

right now. He's talking about going over it. He also

26:50

says that I shouldn't need to go over it, but

26:52

this is the situation we're in. You gotta go over

26:54

it. Yeah, that shouldn't need to go over it. Why

26:56

do you think he keeps saying that? It's just a

26:58

reminder. It's like a little jab. It's just a little

27:01

jab to Brian Cashman. Like, hey. I will spend the

27:03

money, but I shouldn't have to. Yeah, like you have

27:05

not built a very, from the

27:07

amount of money that I'm spending on this roster, this

27:09

is not a good roster for how much money I'm

27:11

spending on it. And that's your fault. Yeah,

27:17

totally, totally. And

27:19

one of the, just if we're looking at Corbin

27:21

Burns, one of the first guys they're gonna ask

27:23

for, Spencer Jones. Spencer

27:25

Jones is definitely one of the guys that

27:27

they're gonna be going after. I don't know, not anymore, maybe,

27:29

because he's not working with teacher men. Yeah,

27:32

apparently. So that's something that

27:35

we were unaware of. It came about, obviously,

27:38

just quickly to address the

27:41

infer, we were inferring that it

27:43

was Spencer Jones because we were led to

27:45

believe that, but not the case. Just

27:48

for clarity purposes. We

27:50

can take our hand up a little bit. So after

27:52

the recording ended, we did not ask him who the

27:54

player was, and we probably had done that. Yeah, we

27:57

should have, we should have. Directly. There

27:59

were, and maybe he wouldn't have. The told us right maybe

28:01

he would is still not a maybe still would

28:03

have been a secretive about it but yeah we

28:05

we guest band spencer Jones for number of reasons

28:07

as you heard Napot yes but not pretty of

28:09

return to tell different that are guess is based

28:11

off of the information we have but yes ah

28:14

is not by Sir John's donohoo the player as

28:16

so looking for someone a double I too have

28:18

to look at a double A roster and i

28:20

just throw darted the wall to see who else.

28:22

It might be a lot of our our what's

28:24

a city siegler than double a but. And

28:27

know maybe maybe day with and rice there's

28:29

a bunch of losers as if you guys

28:31

that that's that have a that have rumors

28:33

that are attached but we'll see. But that

28:35

said, like you're you're going after a Corbyn

28:37

Burns guy they're gonna ask for. They're going

28:40

to ask for sponsored guns and that's where

28:42

the Yankees have to make that decision. Whether

28:44

they believe that they have something in the

28:46

minor league system with their number one prospect

28:48

at this point. or ah, Daves, Are you

28:50

a guy like Harper Mercer? Twenty twenty four

28:52

going after the win, the World Series. And

28:55

giving up or foster like that? Data that would be a tough

28:58

pill to swallow. I think a lot Yankee fans would have a serious

29:00

problem with that. But

29:02

again really situation it. Yeah they they would but

29:04

it's situation a break Catchments but it's often with

29:06

this roster. Why would they have been on with

29:08

that? Because you sign sort a

29:10

long term and then you're not even the psych.

29:13

Psych Do yours yourself. Yep, that's lot of assumptions.

29:15

You're you're you're You're assuming that they can do

29:17

that Every was every everything. Everything we know is

29:19

that the he's going to hit free agency and

29:22

as you know that in or. Yup,

29:24

That's was going to have to go in the bidding war. Assuming

29:29

things go well this year with Soto in New York

29:31

which I'm. assuming. Ah,

29:33

Skull when the bidding war you can do that. It

29:36

could do that. The. Could do

29:38

that. other

29:41

alternatives to not getting yamamoto other

29:43

than like we talked about montgomery

29:46

snell and com burns shota a

29:48

manga is another japanese petra he's

29:51

left handed i is also out

29:53

there was posted and going to

29:55

be a potentially standing in the

29:58

middle east is thirty years old

30:00

looking at like a five year, $85 million contract,

30:02

I guess, just some reports. I would not touch

30:04

this guy with a 10 foot pole. I

30:07

see the five years, 85 just came

30:09

from some articles that I've seen

30:12

clearly that the numbers that

30:14

have been early on, on, uh, on some of

30:16

these guys have been, have been low. So

30:18

I would expect him probably closer to like

30:20

a Montgomery contract. And at that point, we'll

30:22

get Montgomery. Uh,

30:25

no, but yeah, these, these, these,

30:27

uh, second, uh, second

30:29

rate sounds offensive. These, uh, less, these

30:31

not the top Japanese pitchers, they never

30:33

get those big contracts. So I would

30:35

be shocked if he gets over a

30:38

hundred million dollars. He's also

30:40

screams. This screams by the way, the Yankees

30:42

losing out on dice came out to Zaka

30:44

in 2007 or 2006 and pivoting to K

30:48

Agawa who rode the Scranton bus

30:51

and the Trenton bus for his entire career.

30:53

Cause he could not pitch in the major

30:55

leagues. He

30:57

was a terrible pitcher, terrible. But in fact, the

30:59

schedule left the, I, you know, I, I, uh,

31:01

I don't want to put them in the same

31:03

bucket because they're two different people that has nothing

31:05

to do with it. It would be almost do

31:07

with the other situation. The flat circle. Okay. Time

31:10

is a flat circle. Yankees miss out on the

31:12

top Japanese pitcher, pivot to the second Japanese pitcher

31:14

and that guy sucks. Yeah.

31:18

So yeah, then, then again, you're

31:20

looking, everything goes back to Jordan Montgomery at

31:22

that point. So yeah.

31:25

And to quote our buddy JJ, at least Jordan Montgomery

31:27

knows how to get to the stadium. There's

31:29

nothing he doesn't have to learn the new rope. He could probably

31:31

maybe he still owns his apartment or his house in the New

31:33

York area. I

31:35

doubt it. If he sold. Okay.

31:38

Well, I have a feeling Jordan, I have a feeling Jordan,

31:41

I buy a much bigger house now. I

31:43

have a feeling Jordan Montgomery like likes

31:45

living outside the city. Just

31:48

got feeling on. He's a Westchester guy or

31:50

is he a, he's not a Greenwich guy.

31:52

I don't see him living with Boone and

31:55

Carlos Rodone and Cole and Greenwich, Connecticut. No,

31:57

I can see him in like Western New Jersey. That's

32:01

a far drive. It is a far drive. Stretch

32:03

it out closer to Scranton. I

32:05

feel like he wants to be off the grid a little bit. He

32:08

comes across as that kind of guy, a little bit more country, a little

32:11

bit more- CC moved

32:13

to Summit, New Jersey, which

32:16

is right across the bridge. I

32:19

don't see Montgomery as a Summit, New Jersey guy. I

32:22

don't know. So he's probably like a maybe

32:24

northern Westchester guy, a little

32:26

bit more countryside than northern Westchester.

32:29

You're not going more than an hour from the

32:31

stadium. No,

32:35

he's going to stretch out. He needs a

32:37

little bit of space, doesn't want

32:39

to be in the shit, and wants to

32:41

be able to go

32:45

back to his place and be quiet. There's

32:47

no way he's living out even as far as I

32:49

do in Jersey because if I

32:51

were to drive to Yankee Stadium at one o'clock in

32:54

the morning, it's taken me 45 minutes. Otherwise

32:56

it's taken me over an hour and a half. That's

32:58

what I'm saying. I would go north and

33:00

possibly northwest. That's

33:05

a rough route to the stadium. Maybe

33:08

he could hire a, boy, is that Blade? Now

33:10

that he's going to be a $150 million guy,

33:13

he could just take a helicopter to the stadium every day. That's

33:16

true. He could. That's

33:18

not that bad. Worked out into the contract. Yankees

33:20

are in a desperate time right now. Oh,

33:23

you want me back? Guess what? I'm

33:26

throwing the fastball. I want the helicopter. I want the helicopter

33:28

right to the stadium to and from. Helicopter

33:31

and fastball. Let me throw my fastball. All right.

33:33

In some other news, the Yankees claim Jeter

33:37

Downs. Do

33:40

you think they did this just because his name is Jeter? Because

33:44

this guy sucks at baseball. He

33:46

sucks at baseball. Jeter Downs was one

33:48

of the players the Yankees acquired, or excuse me,

33:50

the Red Sox acquired in the Mookie Betts trade.

33:53

Who's the other player? Now the

33:55

Yankees have two of the players the Red Sox

33:57

acquired from Mookie Betts. Yes. There was

33:59

one other. There was a couple other prospects in that trade.

34:01

I don't know who they are, but I know it was

34:03

Verdugo and Jeter Downs were like the headlighters. So

34:06

one thing that's interesting about Jeter Downs

34:08

and maybe this is a little foreshadowing

34:10

for what Cashman has up his

34:12

sleeve as far as trade options and such. Paraza

34:15

doesn't have any more options. That's

34:17

a problem, I think, for a player like him. He's,

34:20

at this point, his prospect status has

34:22

dwindled upon. I don't know what value

34:25

has, if any, on the Major League

34:27

level with trade talks and such.

34:30

But he doesn't have any more options at this point.

34:33

Jeter Downs does have options. He's got an option

34:35

left. He can play second, he

34:37

can play short, he can play third. If you're

34:39

looking at him as more of a defensive utility

34:41

guy, someone who can come in and

34:44

play different positions, run the bases, be

34:47

able to stay in AAA if they need him. That's

34:51

where I think that there's optionality with a guy

34:53

like that. That's probably why they signed him. He's

34:55

got a Major League glove. And

34:58

then Paraza, I think you have

35:00

the ability to trade them anyway,

35:02

but now it gives you a little bit more insurance in

35:04

AAA for a defensive guy that

35:06

can play multiple positions. So if

35:08

you're looking for a next level move, potentially,

35:10

not that it's a major move by any

35:12

means, but he could definitely

35:14

fill that spot of a utility guy that

35:17

Paraza, because he's got the flexibility with the

35:19

defensive, with the defensive positions

35:21

that he plays. Yeah, and then

35:23

also, I think you pulled this from maybe one

35:25

of the articles. The Yankees have some roster flexibility

35:27

out for the 40 men right now. So

35:30

they're able to put some of these claims in

35:32

to just keep their options open.

35:35

Yeah, and again, like

35:37

Paraza, the

35:39

fact that he doesn't have any options to

35:41

me is just like a screaming trade, you

35:43

know, at this point, he's screaming a screaming

35:45

trade because there's really no place

35:47

for him. The Yankees are gonna have to have some flexibility, I think,

35:50

with that spot. I also don't understand, I

35:52

know we've looked this up a dozen times.

35:54

I don't understand how options work. How

35:57

is he out of options? The first time we saw

35:59

him. Yeah, the first

36:01

time saying an age thing and then the

36:03

amount of times you've you've come up but

36:05

like he the 2022

36:07

season was the first time we saw him And

36:10

there's already out of options and I feel like he

36:12

was barely in the majors I mean

36:14

I didn't play him but like I don't know He's

36:18

lost all value. Come on. Let's be real. He's

36:21

lost all that. Yes, but he's a player that can they can

36:23

fill in He he's absolutely lost

36:25

all value Jeter downs He

36:28

was a first-round pick wasn't he he was a first-round pick. I

36:30

mean it was back in your town I don't know he

36:33

was he was a first-round pick. I got sample opportunities

36:35

in the Red Sox system and was

36:37

not good Yeah again defensive

36:39

guy. So if you think Paraza is more than

36:42

just a defensive guy at this point Then

36:45

then maybe maybe maybe you believe more in

36:47

that but Jeter downs. Oh, they're similar. They're

36:49

similar in the sense I'd say Paraza definitely

36:51

has more upside on the offensive side But

36:54

if you're looking at both of those guys at

36:57

potentially a utility defensive guy, they're they're

36:59

not that different The

37:02

Yankees have also shown interest in Jorge Soler

37:04

who opted out of his contract with

37:06

the Marlins He had a

37:09

great season last year. He was an all-star slash

37:12

250 341 512 with 36 home runs and This

37:17

would be interesting because he's primarily a

37:19

DH And I

37:22

don't know how I don't know

37:24

why the Yankees would seriously

37:27

pursue him for the roster Because

37:30

obviously Stan is an injury risk. We all

37:32

know that but you're not gonna

37:34

go into the season Unless

37:37

you know right now Stan's not like unless

37:39

Stan has some injury that we're all unaware

37:41

of that means He's not gonna be ready

37:43

to play until some point later in the

37:45

year. I don't I wouldn't understand this at

37:47

all Yeah, it's

37:50

a puzzling the fact that they're even interested

37:52

in Jorge Soleras is he doesn't have flexibility

37:54

in the NFL He's he played some what

37:56

you put thirty-two thirty-two games in the right

37:58

field last year, but not Which

42:00

makes a lot of sense actually good makes a

42:02

lot of sense Yeah Maybe he can turn the Red

42:04

Sox Minor league hitting into the same juggernaut that the

42:07

Yankees minor league are and then they get to the

42:09

majors and they can't hit Yeah,

42:11

purely purely to to boost the

42:14

the The farm system so

42:16

that they can trade away guys that they know are not

42:18

gonna hit me because the Yankees haven't done that either So

42:20

what's the fucking point? That's true. That's

42:23

true. But the last piece of news here.

42:25

That's that's fantastic That's going down memory lane

42:27

a little bit as a as as we're

42:29

talking about George Steinbrenner Bernie

42:32

Williams potentially back in the Yankees family

42:34

because for whatever reason not that he's left the Yankees family

42:37

He's still been in the Yankees family But there was some

42:39

the way that they treated Bernie has been in the Yankees

42:42

family He showed up a once a year to play the

42:44

national anthem on guitar. Yeah, they

42:46

did Bernie wrong at the end of his career And

42:49

and he deserved better. He deserved to be mentioned

42:51

in all the things with the core for it's

42:53

a complete horse shit Marketing scam

42:56

that left out Bernie Williams for whatever

42:58

reason But Bernie

43:00

potentially working with the yes

43:02

network what I was reading I think in

43:05

the post was that he's got the the

43:07

highest Possibilities him working in

43:09

the studio and possibly rotating You know as one

43:12

of the one of the depth guys that they

43:14

have at the s-network because they have like 18

43:16

guys. Oh So

43:20

he said he's gonna be a studio guy he's not

43:22

gonna be a possibly studio guy. Yeah. Yeah I could

43:24

see I could see him that's that's

43:26

what the the post was saying is the higher likely

43:28

of him being in the studio Maybe

43:31

not traveling as much on the road

43:34

But they've been they've been they've been mixing and matching

43:36

with guys like Cameron Maven who I think got a raw

43:38

deal He was good Beltran. Well because I

43:40

remember Maven didn't get a raw deal. He took

43:42

a job with the Cubs Okay,

43:45

the reason he took a job with the Cubs because the Yankees

43:47

didn't want to sign them back people people are you sure? I

43:49

thought he got a better job in with hubs. I

43:52

think you ever Maven was pretty good I liked him and

43:54

I know and I took a little bit for people. I

43:56

think Cameron made it on people, but I liked him So

43:58

here's what happened with Kim Maven Everyone

44:00

was immediately comparing him to the vibe

44:03

that Cohen and O'Neill had in the booth who have

44:05

been working together for years and years So of course,

44:07

there's a drop-off there and then we

44:09

got Carlos Beltran and everyone was like,

44:11

oh camera maven's great Well

44:14

Beltran just wasn't yeah, he's not not not

44:16

not not good in

44:18

the in the booth Maybe I had things to say

44:21

middle of the field approach. He just knew what was

44:23

wrong He's that's the problem. He just said that over

44:25

good and over it over it You know

44:27

what? Apparently you need to be you need

44:29

to be told things multiple times for them

44:31

to actually listen Now they're starting to

44:33

listen You're starting to get guys who can actually you know

44:36

Put back the ball and go go towards the middle of

44:38

the field and and spray it a little bit It's

44:40

all camera maven was saying that time. I

44:43

mean, don't you think though like the whole

44:45

booth analyst thing? It's just It's

44:48

getting entertainment man. I want it's getting less

44:50

and less important with each.

44:52

It's never been passing here Important

44:55

but I want I want the important where

44:57

you could not consume the game Anyway,

44:59

except radio or television that

45:02

used to be the only way you could consume

45:04

a game whether it's baseball football basketball Whatever now

45:06

you can consume games in 5,000 different ways If

45:10

you're still getting the same commentary, you're so

45:12

no you could consume it You can consume

45:15

a game on your phone only in Twitter

45:17

highlights or you can consume a game watching

45:19

your podcasters live stream You

45:21

can consume a game of freaking thousand

45:24

different ways. Okay, so you're asking

45:26

why is it important? Yes, because I still watch the

45:28

games in the broadcast So for those that are still

45:30

tuning into the yes broadcast and watching the games and

45:32

listening to the people talking. Yes, it's important I want

45:34

to I want the people that that are I don't

45:36

know why is it important? I was saying it's getting

45:38

less and less important with each passing year I

45:41

don't think it's less important for the people that are watching

45:43

the the broadcast though That's and that's who we're talking to

45:45

and that's what we're talking about Bernie

45:47

Williams who was obviously the nostalgia is

45:50

there for anybody who who lived through

45:52

the the 90s and the Yankees World

45:54

Championships but the

45:56

the guy is You

45:58

know, he's articulate. He knows 2009,

48:00

if they don't win it by 2029, we're over a 20 year gap. And

48:05

I know 2029 sounds like a long time

48:07

away, but think about how

48:09

recent 2017 feels. Yeah,

48:13

no, no, it's crazy. It's

48:15

crazy. The fact that New York Yankees with

48:17

all of the, um, the,

48:19

the ability and, and, uh, and means that

48:21

they have, have not been able to put

48:23

together a team that's, that's, uh, that's one

48:25

of world championship at this point. Okay.

48:30

It's going to wrap it up 24 baby. You got to go in, got

48:32

to go in. We do have

48:34

one more episode of 2023 that

48:36

will record maybe they'll be kind of a best

48:38

of maybe Scott and I will to be talking

48:41

about Yamamoto or some other signing that'll be next

48:43

week. Everyone have a very Merry Christmas and

48:46

whatever else you're celebrating. Happy holidays.

48:49

Taking time off. Happy holidays. Enjoy

48:51

it. And we'll talk to you next week.

48:56

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