Join in as I interview Mary-Frances Winters, author of Black Fatigue: How Racism Erodes the Mind, Body, and Spirit, about how to have inclusive conversations that foster equity, empathy, and belonging across differences.

• You can find The Winters Group at https://www.wintersgroup.com/
• You can find me at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robinguidry, www.robinguidry.com, or [email protected]
• If you're looking for a new job, you might also enjoy my book, Rise: A Feasible Guide for Job Hunters During Covid-Times and Beyond.
• Audio engineering by Jess Jacobs. You can find her at http://jessjacobswins.com/
• Episode artwork by Ryan Hirsch. You can find him at https://ryanglenhirsch.com/
• Self-education resources for white people mentioned in this episode:
  • Black Fatigue: How Racism Erodes the Mind, Body, and Spirit by Mary-Frances Winters
  • Inclusive Conversations: Fostering Equity, Empathy, and Belonging across Differences by Mary-Frances Winters 
  • We Can't Talk about That at Work!: How to Talk about Race, Religion, Politics, and Other Polarizing Topics by Mary Frances-Winters
  • How to be an Antiracist by Ibram X. Kendi
  • White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Racism by Robin DiAngelo
  • The Book of Forgiving: The Fourfold Path for Healing Ourselves and Our World by Desmond Tutu

Keywords: Human resources, talent acquisition, recruiting, business, management, careers, employee engagement, employee retention, psychological safety, leadership, racism, antiracism, diversity, inclusion, belonging, dei, Mary-Frances Winters, Robin Guidry, Jess Jacobs.