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of Julian Assange. Lots of Assange news

1:55

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1:57

Assange wins temporary reprieve in case against

2:00

extradition to the United States. Gabriel is

2:02

film producer of Ithaca and

2:04

he's been on the program before. Gabriel, welcome back to

2:06

the program. Please share the latest. Yeah,

2:08

good to be with you, Tully. So

2:10

there was a judgment handed down today in

2:13

the UK courts, which

2:15

really gives Julian

2:17

another chance, lives

2:20

to fight another day essentially. What

2:22

it said is it's given the US

2:25

prosecutors three

2:28

weeks to issue what the

2:31

court is asking for, assurances, and

2:33

those are assurances that Julian

2:35

will not receive the death penalty for

2:38

his work as a journalist if he's

2:40

extradited to the United States. Also

2:43

that he is entitled to

2:45

first amendment protections

2:48

if he is to be extradited, and

2:51

that his freedom of expression rights

2:53

will also be protected. So really

2:56

what the court has done is give

2:59

the US prosecutors here, the Biden

3:01

administration, a chance

3:03

to fix their

3:05

case with these

3:08

diplomatic assurances. And

3:10

what's really bizarre about it is that

3:12

the court, the UK courts

3:14

have actually acknowledged that

3:17

the Biden administration and

3:19

its Department of Justice was potentially

3:21

pursuing a death sentence

3:24

for the work that Julian did, publishing

3:27

these leaks, doing journalism,

3:30

doing what every other publisher around

3:32

the world does every day, taking

3:34

this classified secret material and

3:37

giving it to the public. So I think the

3:39

court has seen how outrageous

3:42

this prosecution is, but

3:44

also given a chance to the Biden

3:46

administration to

3:50

correct that so that they could still potentially

3:52

extradite Julian in three weeks time. So

3:56

I wanna just kinda get through, the Wall Street Journal also

3:58

had this last week, quote that the US Department of Justice

4:00

is considering whether to allow Julian Assange to plead

4:02

guilty to a reduced charge of mishandling classified information

4:04

according to people familiar with the matter, which

4:07

could eventually result in his release from a

4:09

British jail. The Wall Street Journal says it

4:12

is to end a 14-year legal drama. What

4:14

can you tell us about this? Well

4:17

Julian's lawyers, Julian's US lawyers

4:19

Barry Pollack came out at the time

4:21

and said he hasn't had any contact

4:24

with the Department of Justice. There's

4:26

been no deal offered to

4:29

Julian and that the DOJ is

4:31

actually doing the opposite there, continuing

4:34

to pursue the extradition of

4:37

Julian Assange to the United States. So

4:39

I think what I make of

4:41

it is that this has become

4:44

a real political hot potato for the

4:46

Biden administration. The last

4:48

thing they want during election season

4:51

is just rocking up in

4:53

the Eastern District of

4:55

Virginia in chains. Another

4:58

massive First Amendment case in

5:01

the United States would

5:03

not help the Biden administration during election year

5:05

and I think they're putting out these sort

5:07

of, they're almost front running the

5:10

UK courts by putting

5:12

out this sort of interest in

5:16

a plea deal or a resolution, pushing

5:19

it back on Julian in a

5:21

sense. I

5:24

think what's really important about

5:26

this case is that it's been going on.

5:28

Julian will be in jail for now five

5:30

years on the 11th of April. That's

5:33

five years he's not serving a sentence.

5:36

He's never been charged in

5:38

the United Kingdom with any offence.

5:41

So what we're seeing

5:43

here is this sort of washing,

5:46

using the UK

5:48

legal system to wash a

5:51

prosecution that really

5:54

turns the First Amendment into a very much walled

5:57

garden in that sense that... It's

6:00

okay, you can have your First Amendment

6:02

rights, but you cannot report on national

6:04

security. Areas of

6:06

investigative journalism are very limited, and

6:09

they're using the UK to really wash

6:11

that, and so they don't

6:14

have the domestic blowback if they were doing

6:16

it in the United States to a

6:19

US journalist. I

6:22

know that you've done this so many times, Gabriel,

6:24

and you did this prior on the program. I

6:26

think it is worth repeating in about three to

6:29

five minutes the backstory here,

6:31

because it's just been so long. We have

6:33

some younger viewers too that were literally five

6:35

or six years old when this saga started.

6:38

What has the American government accused the

6:41

Sanjav, and do you think politics are

6:43

at play here regarding WikiLeaks

6:45

and certain families that might have been displaced

6:47

from power? So just walk

6:49

us through kind of a quick backstory.

6:52

Well Julian founded

6:54

WikiLeaks in 2006. WikiLeaks

6:59

was an organization

7:01

that really disrupted

7:04

mainstream media. They

7:08

sort of decentralized leaking, in

7:10

a sense. They took the

7:12

leaks away from mainstream media and

7:14

sort of published them for everyone so that there

7:17

could be more transparency

7:19

and more reporting on

7:22

leaked information. They

7:24

really came to prominence in 2010, 2011, when

7:27

they published the leaks that were leaked by

7:29

Chelsea Manning. Those

7:32

were related to the Afghanistan war logs,

7:35

undocumented deaths in Afghanistan,

7:38

the now famous helicopter

7:40

gunship video in Iraq of

7:43

a helicopter gunship mowing down

7:46

to Reuters journalists, as well as

7:48

some civilians, diplomatic

7:51

cables from around the world. And

7:53

it was really those publications

7:55

that really upset the

7:59

military industrial complex, as

8:01

well as the intelligence organizations. And

8:04

that's when Julian, the pursuit of Julian,

8:07

really began. And that was about 13, 14 years ago. And

8:11

he's been detained one way or

8:13

another ever since. Now,

8:15

in 2016, WikiLeaks famously

8:17

published the Clinton emails,

8:20

the Podesta emails. And

8:22

those were, at the

8:24

time, it was in the lead up to

8:27

the 2016 election. And

8:30

they were seen, they really showed

8:32

the corruption inside the DNC, how

8:35

the Clinton campaign conspired

8:37

with the DNC to take

8:39

the Democratic nomination from Bernie

8:41

Sanders. A lot of people say, Charlie, do

8:43

you think that Julian Assange will

8:46

be pardoned? I say, of course he should. Day

8:48

one. It's not even a question. It's

8:52

not even a question. You've got to pardon him. The

8:54

American people don't care about this. By the way, handling a class

8:56

of information has this any different than the Pentagon Papers. You're going

8:58

to try to destroy a guy's life, and they're trying to make

9:00

it a symbol. By the way, this

9:02

is DC psychopathic behavior at its finest. Only

9:05

DC insiders care about this.

9:08

Only DC insiders care about

9:11

Julian Assange being held accountable. He's

9:14

a journalist. They've been obsessed about this

9:16

for more than a decade. This is all military

9:18

industrial complex stuff. It is a

9:20

show trial of a journalist that dared to

9:22

try to expose the lies and the deception

9:25

of the military industrial complex. These

9:28

are leaks straight from

9:30

the military machine. Therefore,

9:33

a threat to the globalist cabal. If Trump wins, it's

9:35

got to be one, two, three. It's

9:39

got to be Assange, Snowden,

9:42

Ulbrecht. One, two, three. Pardons across the

9:44

board. Gabriel, one minute remaining. What's the

9:46

call to action here? The call

9:48

to action. So we're asking people to

9:50

contact their congresspeople. There's a resolution, a

9:53

bipartisan resolution with Paul Gosar,

9:55

Thomas Massey, Rep. Jim McGovern,

9:58

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10:00

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10:03

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Gabriel, what is it about the military industrial

11:35

complex? There seems to be a fascination, an

11:37

obsession with Julian that is

11:39

unlike any other journalist exposing any

11:41

other industry where they

11:44

have an attachment to

11:46

this case. What is

11:48

your take, Gabriel? Well,

11:50

Julian really took the mask

11:52

off the military industrial complex and how

11:54

they were part of a conspiracy

11:56

with the legacy. media

12:01

to really sell people wars.

12:03

You know, populations, Julian famously

12:05

said that people don't

12:08

like wars and they have to be convinced, they

12:11

have to be convinced and lied to

12:13

in order to support them. And

12:16

what WikiLeaks and Julian did was really, you

12:18

know, rip the mask off that

12:22

conspiracy between the military industrial

12:24

complex, the

12:26

government and the media, exposing

12:29

them for what they are, this

12:31

incredible machine

12:34

that drives war, that drives

12:36

conflict all around the world.

12:40

And he disrupted their business model,

12:43

you know, in incredible fashion like

12:46

ever been done before. And

12:49

so they see him, you know, as a threat

12:51

to their power, you know, as

12:53

a threat to how they survive,

12:56

how they make their money. And

12:58

so they're coming after him and they're coming after

13:00

him in an incredible way,

13:02

in a way

13:04

that has an incredible

13:06

amount of hubris and

13:10

recklessness to the

13:13

institutions of the United States,

13:15

such as the Department of Justice

13:19

and the CIA. Those

13:21

institutions are totally weaponized against

13:24

Julian as well as the UK

13:26

justice system, which is

13:28

sort of the jailer in a sense,

13:30

in this sense, you know, they're meeting

13:32

out the punishment to

13:35

Julian, setting this example, showing that, you know, if

13:37

you do this sort of thing, if

13:39

you expose us, that we can just

13:41

take away all your rights and

13:44

lock you in a prison without a sentence,

13:47

without a charge in the country that you're in,

13:50

that they can reach anywhere around the world and

13:53

pick you up, doesn't matter how famous you are,

13:55

doesn't matter what sort of profile you are,

13:57

you have and keep you

13:59

in a jail. jail indefinitely

14:02

and it's just a massive flex and it's

14:04

an example to everyone out there who might

14:07

think about exposing

14:09

this system for what it is.

14:12

And that's really the point is they want

14:14

to try to demonstrate the ferocity

14:16

the regime is willing to use against

14:19

anyone that would dare tell the truth

14:22

or spread the truth and

14:24

is there, are there other instances Gabriel about

14:26

two minutes remaining you could point to where

14:28

other journalists did similar activity and they didn't

14:30

meet the full force of the American justice

14:33

system? Yeah well I mean you

14:35

just have to look at the New York Times who

14:37

published the exact same information you know

14:39

that Julian is in prison for. So

14:41

you know you have the New York Times, the Washington

14:43

Post you know all

14:46

published the same information that Julian is

14:48

in prison for and you know not receiving

14:51

any of their publishers are fine you know

14:53

they're probably sitting in their

14:56

mansions sipping on you know

14:58

martinis warming their feet you

15:01

know by their fireside so I think

15:05

that really shows that's another exposure really

15:07

of you know how these media corporations,

15:09

how legacy media works hand in glove

15:12

you know with the government with the

15:14

military industrial complex you

15:17

know to sell us these these

15:19

wars that keep getting pushed on us so

15:21

I think that's the

15:23

real exposure in this case it's

15:25

not just these institutions who are

15:27

corrupted but exposing the fact that

15:29

these other media organizations haven't been

15:31

pursued because they're not a

15:33

threat to power. Gabriel thank

15:35

you so much one more time to call the action to

15:38

our audience. Call your congressperson,

15:40

ask them to support House Resolution 934.

15:44

Yeah we've got nine co-sponsors on it we're hoping to

15:46

get to 20. I know there's

15:48

a lot of congress people in

15:50

congress who want to support Julian but they might need

15:52

that extra push from their constituents so give them a

15:54

call go and see them send them

15:56

an email. Very good Gabriel thank you so

15:58

much. Thanks John. Jeff,

16:03

welcome to the program. Thank you. Great

16:05

to be with you, Charlie. Jeff Webb, who is the CEO

16:07

of the Human Events Media Group, which our audience would appreciate

16:09

because Jack comes on the program a lot and he's got

16:12

Human Events Daily. So Jeff is also

16:14

one of the most successful entrepreneurs in

16:16

the country and is the

16:18

man behind varsity brands. And so I want to talk

16:21

about this just from a political

16:23

standpoint, the idea that the New York

16:25

State government can find you what

16:27

they're finding Trump. There is no victim. There

16:30

was nobody that was defrauded. Then

16:34

on top of that, the potential seizing of assets to post

16:36

the bond. Jeff, as a business guy, would you ever do

16:38

business in New York? Well, you'd

16:41

have to really think about it. I mean, if you

16:43

had a choice right now, no, of course not. I

16:45

mean, because this is just the beginning. Is

16:47

this a precedent? Are we going to be able

16:49

to see this anytime somebody is on

16:52

the political hit list? Is the government going

16:54

to have a lawsuit against

16:56

you? Are they going to take your

16:59

documents when you borrow money? Are they

17:01

going to determine if you accurately describe

17:03

your collateral and then seize your

17:06

assets and especially at the level

17:08

they're talking about, which is just

17:11

to make it difficult to appeal and

17:13

it's all punitive. It's

17:16

really scary and it has incredible

17:18

ramifications that people don't realize. People

17:20

are like, oh, this has happened

17:22

to Trump. Everybody's like, this could

17:25

have serious implications. I

17:27

don't know. Is there chatter in the business

17:29

world about this, even from a non-political standpoint

17:31

that you've been hearing? It's mostly just like,

17:33

can you really believe this? There's still

17:35

not, of course, people which state you're

17:37

in. Which

17:40

state you're in. But

17:42

you're right, they're better because it is real. Yeah.

17:46

And so, it also, to

17:48

be in a country right now where you

17:50

could be a former president, you could

17:52

build a multi-billion dollar company and basically effectively

17:54

have it taken away from you. I

17:57

mean, that At its core, Destroys

18:00

the incentive structure of why even create business

18:02

in the first place. You can't keep your

18:04

stuff and pass it down to your kids,

18:06

Mean it. This is the movement. This a

18:08

fundamental economic truth that look if this had

18:10

been about the fact that the. Trumpet

18:13

not paid his taxes or if he

18:15

really had inflated of the value of

18:18

this collateral that that would be something

18:20

different of was fraudulent. But it's not

18:22

the of the end of the day he put up

18:24

you know, like we all do. Our if

18:26

he if your business and you're building

18:28

a business and you're you're borrowing money

18:30

from for for capital to make things

18:32

grow you're going to You're going to

18:35

say here's here's the value of what

18:37

I've got. Like. To Borrow money. Guess

18:39

that as the end of the day Charlie.

18:41

I mean, it's really the responsibility. Of the

18:43

banks that are learning you the money you enjoy

18:45

citing whether I'd I'd I'd like grown adderall is

18:47

that is is that your and obviously the collateral

18:50

is valuable because now the New York Attorney General

18:52

says i'm gonna confiscate your stuff that you said

18:54

is invaluable and you know this in real estate

18:56

prices are very very they fluctuate based on worse

18:58

markets and how badly you want the the piece

19:01

of property beauty is in a high and I

19:03

to behold the runway was and he thanked the

19:05

tight with the type of money you're talking about

19:07

the think the bank city borrowing money for or

19:10

hit a look at that and just go as.

19:12

Surely that's worth that's worth that much

19:14

money. Know they do do do underwriting.

19:17

The. Of course they do do. Do you can't

19:19

buy a home? Without. Them doing

19:21

a market analysis and having cops yet to

19:23

compare it to other things that have So

19:26

get get the idea the user give a

19:28

eighty percent of value and away you go

19:30

So year though that the put that the

19:32

problem here. I mean. What? Is what

19:34

is that real? Say worth exactly with somebody? Will

19:36

pay you for That's exactly right. I mean it's

19:39

worth it to the with a real status might

19:41

be worth less now that. New.

19:43

York is going down the gutter. But.

19:46

For example, to own one

19:48

acre. One. Acre. In.

19:50

Miami Beach right now. Is.

19:54

what price twenty five million dollars was leave about

19:56

to house right back try to buy a house

19:58

on the on the water there Right, or

20:00

have one acre in Sioux City, Iowa.

20:04

You could probably get it for $75,000. So,

20:07

but they're both an acre. Value

20:10

is on geography based on, but

20:12

hey, if it was on Sioux City, Iowa, and

20:14

they were on oil, then it's $75

20:16

million. Right. So, but

20:19

the, just from an entrepreneur

20:21

standpoint, I mean, you've, you've

20:23

had great success and, you know, great exits and all

20:25

that. I just imagine

20:28

building a business in this environment. It would

20:30

be so demoralizing. Imagine the next entrepreneur in

20:32

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20:34

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Jeff, you've been talking for quite a while about

21:52

the middle class and you've really been ahead of

21:54

this and for years we've

21:56

been talking about it and it has been

21:58

prophetic. I really believe. Leave that. About.

22:01

How the middle class is losing. it's purchasing power.

22:04

And. We haven't dialogue for little while.

22:06

Look at the last year and a

22:08

half. With. Just inflation alone.

22:11

Which. Is a tax and an erosion

22:13

of wealth? The. Middle

22:15

class to cease to exist. We basically

22:17

have an oligarchy and a government dependent

22:19

classes idea of a well heeled, well

22:22

capitalised, strong low class is quickly evaporating

22:24

in front of, right? So that's what

22:26

does the Socialists idea right at the

22:28

plant. That's what the brian is. Yeah,

22:31

I mean when when I wrote when

22:33

I broke my book about the middle

22:35

class of years ago for American Restoration,

22:37

thank you and for a forty percent

22:40

of can be working Americans were living

22:42

Paycheck To Paycheck exists Sixty percent now

22:44

anywhere. Where. Does it end? And there's

22:46

There is no end in sight. And.

22:49

I take you know that that

22:51

the the whole comment about In

22:53

for Inflation being transitory several years

22:55

ago was a joke and we

22:57

would. You'd look at the me out

22:59

of money being pumped into the economy.

23:01

There is no way that that inflation.

23:03

Was gonna stop. So yeah I mean

23:05

it's it's cruel it sat there are

23:08

the middle class feeling it. ah in

23:10

the most important ways. In their life,

23:12

in their food, in their in

23:14

their gasoline and their housing in

23:16

the education of their children and

23:19

the state. With this. The prices that

23:21

are really important and it really hurts and

23:23

again. No. End in sight. You.

23:25

Can have a country the on have a middle

23:27

class. you have something completely different. What

23:29

policies do you think can be best

23:32

embraced to unshackled the middle class. Well.

23:34

I think that to there has to be fiscal

23:36

discipline first of all and we don't York, Let's

23:39

be fair, we haven't seen that are with either

23:41

party. That we have a sale. And

23:43

the of the the the amount of

23:45

national. Debt that we have now

23:47

anyone any young person, Right now

23:50

to me. They don't even talk

23:52

about you've got to look up at the

23:54

at. The National Debt And go. What's

23:56

gonna happen to this? Well, somebody is

23:58

gonna pay for that. Probably

24:00

not people my age. It's

24:02

going to be young people and it's going

24:04

to be painful. No matter how we do

24:06

it, it's going to be painful. So I

24:09

think that, I think number two, our

24:11

whole energy policy, I think it drives

24:13

everything. It's going to drive the cost

24:15

of food. It's going to

24:17

drive wages and to the

24:20

extent that we have

24:22

just completely pulled in our horns

24:24

on energy that we've allowed our

24:27

competitors on the international scene

24:31

to become richer and richer at

24:33

our expense and then

24:35

to our middle class become poor. It's

24:38

unforgivable. It's unforgivable and there's

24:40

no logic whatsoever. It

24:43

seems as if it's intentional that they

24:45

want us to weaken. A lot of

24:47

these things look intentional, don't they? Inflation,

24:50

what's happening at the border

24:52

looks intentional. Our energy policy

24:54

looks intentional. I mean, people

24:56

don't want to say it,

24:58

but there's hardly any other

25:00

explanation. Yeah. So let's

25:02

dive deeper into this idea

25:04

of deficit spending. We are

25:06

borrowing $1 trillion

25:09

every 100 years. You

25:12

have probably a lot of people coming, do you want to

25:14

invest in stuff? There are more

25:16

asset bubbles than I've ever seen. Would

25:19

you agree with that right now? We have more dollar

25:21

bills than value. Yes. I

25:23

think you're 100% right. Again,

25:25

I go back. It's

25:28

the sort of thing where there is

25:30

no end in sight. Then you look at

25:32

the energy policy, that's inflationary as well. You

25:34

see what's starting to happen again, that

25:36

gasoline is creeping up again. I

25:39

don't know if we can drain the

25:41

strategic petroleum reserve again or not. Not

25:43

exactly what it was meant for, but

25:46

it's not just politics. But all of these

25:48

things are having an effect. I

25:50

go back to what you said. One

25:52

wonders if it's somehow intentional. Are

25:55

We trying to bankrupt the middle class? Yes,

25:57

I believe we are. And Not to mention

25:59

... Did. The there's a thing

26:01

called the Cloud Pippin Strategy. Been talking about it

26:03

a lot in our program, which was an academic

26:06

theory. In the sixties and seventies, they were communists

26:08

and they said the American Communist. They said the

26:10

way to destroy America is that mass migration. Build.

26:13

A permanent deep state bureaucracy that over consumes everything

26:16

and then borrow some much money that you can't

26:18

even fathom. It. From. That's

26:20

the plan. the one to worry whether that's

26:22

the plan they're using or not he gets

26:25

it's completely parallel with that and sap an

26:27

endless to I mean you talk about in

26:29

your book. American Restoration had unshackled regular class

26:31

there is a part on immigration and we

26:33

thought it was bad three years ago. For.

26:36

Years ago when when I started hanging out five

26:38

or six years ago, we said this, immigration things

26:40

out of control. I mean, it's a full fledged

26:42

take over the United States of America. How

26:45

can you not have millions of people coming in and

26:47

we don't? We don't know who they are. Who.

26:49

They are where the going, where they're going to end

26:51

up, what they plan to do. And.

26:53

And look at the look at the just. Disparity in.

26:56

In. Other males Female: it's really, ah,

26:59

there's just nothing good about it.

27:01

You don't look. Good.

27:03

At some of these people are probably well intended

27:05

are looking for. A better way of life. For.

27:07

Their family. But we have that

27:10

we have to determine that we have to

27:12

that that. No. One. No other country

27:14

in the world has a border like we did.

27:16

And. I guess it's and

27:19

then. You're. Via the amount

27:21

we have ten to fifteen thousand

27:23

people a day. Coming. Across

27:25

the southern border the book is American

27:27

Restoration had unshackle the great middle class

27:30

and Edition or just also is with

27:32

post millennial and human events and the

27:34

all star team there and south talking

27:37

about about thirty seconds all the great

27:39

work that kind of it's media group

27:41

includes those two platforms and with real

27:43

world with what's happening there of course

27:46

Jack the Sobek. Yep, I wanted one

27:48

of your buddies around here live right

27:50

now. Yeah, And Lithium and

27:53

does an incredible job as well. Barrett

27:55

Wilson I'm in a handy know it's

27:57

size is it's just a great team.

28:00

and so dedicated, breaking

28:02

news, finding things that are

28:04

first and that are important.

28:08

We are definitely building something great there. He

28:10

is the author of a very important book,

28:13

American Restoration, and I unshackled a great middle

28:15

class. Really it

28:17

is challenging neoliberalism. Neoliberalism

28:21

is unlimited mass migration, trade,

28:24

bringing in as much crap into your country that

28:26

you don't need. And finally, reckless

28:29

foreign wars. That's right.

28:32

I think we are seeing that now. The

28:35

country is now becoming awakened to the

28:37

fact that we have had, I

28:40

mentioned this in my book, I

28:43

was a real hawk on foreign policy. Driving

28:46

with my young son, he is probably 14 at

28:48

the time, a lot smarter than his father, by

28:50

the way. He is already

28:53

politically involved, engaged. He says, you

28:55

know dad, our country has been at war ever since I have

28:58

been politically conscious.

29:04

It is like we have a war somewhere. I don't

29:06

know why. Can

29:08

you imagine right now looking back and having lost a

29:11

son or a daughter or a brother

29:14

or a friend in Afghanistan? Why

29:19

did that happen? I

29:21

just think that, again, how

29:25

our government can, we can

29:28

engage in whether it is

29:30

actual physical military

29:32

intervention, whether we are supplying arms,

29:34

whatever we are doing without taking it

29:36

to the American people and having an

29:38

end game. What does success

29:41

look like? It is a basic business. Nobody

29:44

knows. Success looks like endless war. They

29:47

want endless conflict. It

29:49

is something that is going to be impossible

29:51

to achieve. Like the liberation

29:54

of Ukraine, including Crimea,

29:56

which is pathologically insane. I

29:59

think it is. It's not in the cards. I

30:02

mean, it's – look, do

30:05

we all wish that

30:07

Russia had not invaded in quite –

30:09

of course. It was wrong for the

30:11

U.S. debate. It was totally wrong. That's

30:13

correct. But that's a very complicated part

30:15

of the world. But we lied to

30:17

Russia for years, too. We said

30:20

that NATO wasn't going to move east, and

30:22

we've antagonized them. It doesn't justify Putin

30:25

doing that. I agree. It

30:27

doesn't. And we pushed

30:29

Ukraine into this situation. Well,

30:32

when you look at foreign affairs and you look

30:34

at any type of conflict, it's like what you

30:36

have to look at in sports or in

30:38

business. You look at your opponent. What's important

30:41

to them? You try to get in

30:43

their head. I

30:46

heard R.F.K. Jr. the other day point

30:48

out that one in seven Russians died

30:50

during World War II. So they're

30:52

a little bit paranoid of Western

30:55

Europe. And

30:58

again, they've been fighting back and forth in that

31:00

area for a thousand years. And

31:03

I think that we should be spending

31:05

– the war is terrible. What's

31:07

happened is terrible. But I

31:10

don't think the Russians are leaving, and

31:12

it's a very – they have a powerful military.

31:15

We should be looking at trying

31:17

to be the brokers of peace. We

31:19

should be looking at what – how can

31:21

we make this as fair as possible? How

31:24

can we – how can we pay as much

31:26

of Ukraine as we can? But are

31:29

we just going to keep having hundreds

31:31

of thousands of young people die with

31:34

no end in sight, Charlie? Yeah, it's

31:36

a moral tragedy. And the American

31:38

government sent Boris Johnson and Tony

31:40

Blinken to blow up a potential peace deal. We

31:43

were involved in obliterating a potential peace deal. So

31:45

the book is American Restoration. A

31:47

lot of great things happen in human events media, post-millennial.

31:51

Anything else on your mind, Jeff, that you want to share with the audience, things

31:53

that you want to make sure you communicate to? Well,

31:55

I think this is the – how many – times

32:00

have we heard this is the most important election

32:02

in our lifetime. This is the whole one. This

32:04

is a very important election. And

32:06

I think you only have to look at the border to

32:08

see that. I mean that's, back

32:11

to the end game, what is

32:13

going to be the long

32:15

term, what are the long

32:17

term ramifications of this incredible

32:21

amount of just unvetted

32:23

immigration? We don't know. What's

32:25

it going to do to the workforce? What's it going

32:28

to do for crime? What is

32:30

going to happen? And I think that there

32:32

are a lot of questions that need to be answered and

32:34

I think the election is the place to do it. Jeff,

32:37

you've been a great friend for a while. It is

32:39

American Restoration, Unshackled, The Great Middle Class. We're meeting later

32:41

to how we're going to take over the world. And

32:45

I just want to just brag, Jeff is

32:47

a phenomenal entrepreneur, really smart business mind. We're

32:49

going to have Jeff on more and more,

32:53

you know, time willing, you

32:55

know, this election season.

32:59

And it's not just about the election, this is a question of

33:01

just very basic principles of do you want a

33:03

government that represents you? Do you want an oligarchy or

33:05

do you want some form of a people centered government?

33:08

And the book is great. It's How to Unshackle the Great Middle Class.

33:11

It is not a new book, but it's timeless, I

33:13

have to say. It is actually more

33:15

applicable now than even at pub date. Who

33:17

would have known? Jeff, thank

33:19

you so much. Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

33:22

Email us as always freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks

33:24

so much for listening and God bless. For

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