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Hello, and welcome to the Chase

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Down Podcast. My name

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is Carter Rodriguez. I'll be your host today.

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Your boy Justin Rowan taking

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a couple of weeks off. It's time for nuptials

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for Mr Rowan. So much

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congratulations the soon to be married

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man. Uh. But in his

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place today, I have a friend of the

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show. Recurring guests. We don't have them any recurring

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guests. Uh, Dave before, how

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you doing, Dave? I'm great.

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I feel honored to to

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be the the only I'm just gonna pretend like

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I'm the only recurring guest. Um,

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basically, I'm like the honorary co host.

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I'm basically like Jay Leno was for Johnny

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Carson for people who are my

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age. That's a that's

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a reference at all. No,

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not at all, not at all. I mean they

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don't really do fill in hosts. I think that

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I think that's just done. I just think they have to do it

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until they die. Yeah,

1:03

guys, well, guys don't take time off. They have

1:05

their hiatus whenever they're playing reruns

1:08

or I don't know who watches Late Night. I

1:10

just teutched the clips at this point.

1:13

Um, yeah, it's essentially they

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now make every little segment youtubable.

1:18

So yeah, that's it's what it all is anyway.

1:20

So, I mean, I don't know, I just watched that. It's probably

1:22

a business disaster for them, but it makes

1:24

those shows eminently more consumable

1:27

for me. Uh. A team

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that's gonna be eminently more consumable for

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its viewers. Uh. With

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their decision today will be the Cleifland

1:35

Cavaliers. They just locked Kevin Love

1:38

up on a four year extension worth a hundred

1:40

twenty million. Kevin has

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secured the bag. Um.

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It's a weird decision, right, um, and

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one that I think is inherently going to

1:51

be a little controversial. What what What was

1:53

your takeaway, Dave? Um?

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You know, I definitely think people are gonna

1:57

look at this one of two ways.

2:00

Wow, I can't believe Cleveland

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isn't gonna tank and whole

2:05

I can't believe they want to pay him twenty eight million

2:07

dollars when he's thirty four years old, And

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both of those I think are the wrong way to look at it.

2:11

Um, they essentially

2:13

just made Kevin Love a more valuable

2:15

trade asset. Nobody was gonna trade

2:18

for Kevin Love on a on a rental. You know,

2:20

he was gonna opt out next summer. UM,

2:23

now he can actually be traded. And by

2:25

the time you're paying him twenty eight

2:27

million dollars because this this uh,

2:29

this contract is uh, it's an extension,

2:32

and it's twenty eight million than like thirty

2:34

one thirty one. I

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think that's how the math works exactly.

2:40

But by the time you're you're at that, you

2:42

know, twenty eight million on the last year of that

2:44

deal, which he he will be. You know,

2:46

he's gonna stay for the rest of this contract with

2:49

someone. Um,

2:51

you're looking at a salary cap. It's gonna be like,

2:53

I don't know, one maybe

2:55

one thirty. It's really not that much

2:57

money. And I don't think his his game,

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you know, his game is not really predicated on athleticism.

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It's not like he's gonna stop being able to

3:04

shoot threes or stop being six ten, um.

3:07

You know, and we're gonna see Kevin

3:09

Love, I believe, be the fulcrum

3:12

of this offense. So will actually be able to see a very

3:14

potent version of him. Um, I

3:16

don't think he's on the team beyond

3:18

next summer. And you know, the

3:20

timing of this, this extension,

3:23

it sets him up so they can actually move him in the trade

3:25

deadline. So UM, you know, I

3:27

look at this it's a positive. Hey, I'm

3:29

always a fan of these guys getting money. Um.

3:32

They have very short careers and and you know

3:34

they're being paid by billionaires. So good

3:36

for him. You know, he could get hurt tomorrow and

3:38

now he's he's secure forever. Um,

3:41

So great for him. But I think it's

3:43

good for the calves too, because you know, you

3:46

you make sure you make him feel comfortable and

3:48

then you know, you work out a deal to move him, which

3:50

is my assumption. I think that that's what's gonna happen.

3:53

How are you feeling, I'm not a hundred

3:55

percent on. I think this does help

3:57

them move him at a later date.

4:00

As opposed to this, this insulates

4:02

the at the very least, this insulates

4:04

them losing him for nothing, um

4:07

uh, which was looking quite possible

4:09

if they weren't able to work out a deal, because, as

4:12

you said, I didn't feel

4:14

like good trade offers were just bursting

4:17

down the door for a guy with an

4:19

opt out on his deal, UM,

4:22

whose game has perhaps doesn't

4:25

fit as well in the modern NBA as you

4:27

might hope. Um.

4:30

But with that said, I for

4:34

those reasons, I still kind of think they're

4:36

not going to get the deal they want out of this. I

4:39

mean, uh, and

4:42

I don't think Kevin Love is so good that he

4:44

can stop a tank.

4:47

If the Calves aren't good, He's not going to be the

4:49

reason they don't

4:51

keep their top ten overall pick. I'm pretty

4:54

confident in that. Um.

4:56

You know, the STATI gave to Justin was

4:58

Marcus Ault played sevente games last year

5:02

and that that didn't help the Grizzlies that much.

5:05

You know, when when you're talent efficient, which

5:07

I think the Calves are, um,

5:09

you're not going to be very hold on. They

5:12

don't forget they got the Young King, the Young

5:14

Bull JT. J. King,

5:16

sorry, the Young Ball. I started

5:19

calling him the Young King. I don't I thought you were rum

5:23

Yeah, but yes, they also had the Young

5:26

Bull. So I don't know, Um, I think

5:28

that. I mean, I like the move,

5:30

whether they trade him or whether they keep him, because

5:33

in a lot of ways, you know, I've mentioned that Marcus

5:36

All thing, because in a lot of ways they have a

5:38

little bit of a Memphis esque arc right

5:40

now where they have kind of an aging roster.

5:43

Um but a couple of young

5:45

pieces worthwhile and a

5:47

chance to go get another really good one. Uh.

5:50

And Kevin Love fits

5:52

with the roster they have right now. I think that

5:54

matters a lot. Um, it's not a situation

5:57

where you have this all star and it doesn't

5:59

really work on the court at all,

6:02

and he doesn't help your young guys. I

6:04

mean, they're they're

6:06

worse front court pairings

6:09

to to to work

6:11

with your budding young point guard who

6:14

isn't much of a shooter and could probably use a little

6:16

extra space than Kevin Love. I

6:19

agree. Now, well, here's what I'll argue.

6:22

I'll argue the case of the

6:25

the pro blow it up analytics

6:27

type folks. Um,

6:30

they could have had a nice reset

6:32

this summer or next summer.

6:34

I should say this summer. I'm already into next season,

6:36

so next summer they could have had a really nice reset.

6:38

They don't really have a whole lot of money on the books beyond

6:41

this year. Um. I want

6:43

to say they only have one contract in the nineteen

6:45

season. Is that right? Yeah? It's like almost

6:48

um yeah, so Jeddy has

6:50

a short con Sorry

6:53

losing my voice. I know you're a little little choked

6:55

up about about Kevin loves sticking around.

6:58

Sorry have for life. Um,

7:02

but yeah, like I understand, I

7:05

am. I'm of two minds with the blow

7:07

it up. I don't know if Cleveland

7:09

is the type of place that can withstand another really

7:13

terrible team, you know. And

7:15

I think that the few

7:17

years they had where it

7:19

was, you know, they got all those number one picks. Um,

7:22

that was not a great time. And

7:24

and you've got to think about this from an ownership

7:26

perspective, Um, losing

7:29

Lebron James probably had

7:31

the franchise's value if he were

7:34

going to sell. I mean maybe maybe

7:36

not half, but but pretty

7:38

close. Um, you now have a

7:40

team that will be lucky to

7:43

get the eight seed. I think that it's unlikely,

7:45

but it's not impossible because they could win

7:48

you know, forty games and possibly get it. Uh

7:50

they go on a hot streak, you know. So

7:53

you know, but I understand the argument

7:55

for blowing up, trying to get picks, trying to turn it

7:57

around, trying to get a foundational superstar, which

8:00

don't have at the moment um.

8:02

I completely understand that. But at the

8:04

same time, I think there's you know, there's

8:06

nothing wrong with just trying to put together a competitive

8:09

team and being competitive, like I just

8:11

I don't know, I've I've changed on

8:14

this quite a bit in the last few years because

8:16

you know, you a little bit.

8:19

Yeah, it's well, some of us have, but

8:22

then there's a lot of us that are still team

8:24

blow it up. Anytime, you know, you lose

8:26

a star, it's like, oh, you gotta blow it up.

8:28

I mean there are people calling for that in San

8:30

Antonio where I am right now. And then that's

8:32

just not a team that's got to blow it up and

8:34

guess what, they're gonna win fifty games, you

8:36

know, I think I think it's interesting

8:39

is, like you, the biggest

8:41

mistake these people make is

8:43

assuming all all franchises operate

8:46

the same way, at the same

8:48

level of combatants. And

8:52

you know, we've saw the Cabs make

8:54

mistake after mistake after mistake, trying

8:57

to blow it up, trying to tank,

9:00

you know, playing just

9:02

some truly dogshit basketball.

9:05

Um. And what

9:08

I keep coming back to is like this,

9:12

for this front office, this organization

9:14

can't really be trusted with Dan Gilbert

9:17

at the helm. So I'd

9:19

rather just stay decent and hope

9:22

for some strokes of luck, you know. Um.

9:25

Well, and let's not forget that they've changed

9:27

the lottery. That matters. You know, they they

9:30

flattened it does matter.

9:32

And you know, like let's say, you know,

9:35

you wind up with the I don't know, the tenth

9:37

pick. Okay, Um,

9:39

that's that's been pretty good here lately.

9:42

You know, we've got a lot of good players in

9:44

that eight to twelve range, and so

9:46

you know, it's just I don't know, I think that the

9:49

idea that there's no value to having Kevin Love, who

9:51

is a good basketball player, like this is an

9:53

above average player. Um. You

9:56

know, he's an All Star in the East,

9:58

which I know doesn't say much, but you

10:00

know, this is a guy who who actually can

10:02

play basketball, and he can play it well, and he

10:04

fits in with a lot of different players. He

10:06

can stretch the floor, he

10:09

is active on defense. He's not he's

10:11

not the terrible defender he was four

10:13

years ago. You know, he actually, by

10:16

just by virtue of competing hard, does

10:19

more with less than than a lot of guys who

10:22

were you know, like Andrew Wiggins is this crazy

10:24

athlete but just doesn't defend. Um,

10:27

Kevin Love, that's not an issue. You know, you never have to

10:29

ask him to go out and play hard part of why

10:31

he's had some injury issues. You know, the guy

10:33

plays really center.

10:37

That's true. Yeah, he definitely won't. But

10:39

but like you said, you know, you've got these young guys you're

10:41

gonna you know, Jenny is gonna get gonna get

10:43

a chance. You know, they're gonna put the ball in his hands,

10:45

probably put him in the pick and roll song. Well, guess what, guy,

10:48

he's got an experienced picking pop guy.

10:50

You know, Um, Kevin Love is gonna be able

10:52

to operate from the elbows and really like show

10:54

off some of this stuff that we know that he can do,

10:57

but he couldn't do when le Bron was there because they

10:59

kind of operate in the same space. So you

11:01

know, like I I don't, I

11:03

don't know. You're not gonna spend that money on anything

11:05

else right now anyway, you might as well

11:07

resign him, you know, make everybody

11:10

happy. And then again you also have boosted

11:12

his trade value. So yeah, I just think

11:15

this, I don't know. We we've come to the point now

11:17

where any guy that signs a contract, um

11:20

you know that that signs him till age thirty three

11:23

or thirty four, it's immediately called a bad

11:25

contract. You pay. It's the upfront

11:27

years. Really, like, in this four year deal, the

11:30

first two years he's definitely worth

11:32

it, and then the next two he

11:34

might not be. But that's how the league

11:36

has has worked for a while. Now. You

11:39

know, um, the Conley contract.

11:41

You know, Memphis isn't going out

11:43

and signing Chris Paul in the off

11:45

season, right, so you you overpay

11:48

to keep your guy. And yeah, those

11:50

last two years of the Conley deal are going to be bad,

11:52

potentially the last three if he's not healthy this

11:54

year. Same with Cleveland. You know, Cleveland's

11:56

not going out and signing a major free agent. Now

11:58

that just like it's

12:01

just not right,

12:04

you think that, right,

12:07

you can't treat your Cleveland's and your

12:09

Memphis is and even Toronto you cannot

12:12

treat them the same when they're signing

12:14

their guys to these deals. You know, like

12:16

look at the de Rosan contract. You know

12:18

a lot of people feel like that was an overpay Kyle

12:20

Lowry, although they did. I thought they did a nice

12:23

job on Lowry's contract to make it three

12:25

years, you know, so you gotta get a little creative

12:27

there. But at the same time, like the dollars, it's a

12:29

lot and in particular when these

12:31

guys are declining, but the markets

12:34

are just totally different. I

12:36

think. I think the way to look at the Love deal

12:38

is all about opportunity cost. I think that's

12:41

a really good way to evaluate a lot of deals

12:43

UM as opposed to just evaluating

12:46

them on their head is to is

12:48

to just always think, Okay, what would

12:51

they be doing if they didn't do this? Um.

12:54

I think that's a really good way to contextualize

12:56

a lot of signings that

13:00

otherwise might fool you, right like,

13:03

because I think that's really easy to happen. I think

13:05

you know, you can look at like if you remember

13:07

that the Surgetybaka trade to Orlando,

13:10

you can think, oh, well, like that player is pretty

13:12

good and they gave up not that much sure,

13:14

you know, like they gave up Bola depots and

13:17

you know, seemed underperforming. That you could

13:19

talk yourself into the players, But then you

13:21

look at what the

13:24

you know, the tangential results around

13:26

it, what they couldn't do, what they had to

13:28

do um or

13:30

in the decisions they were forced into.

13:33

Uh, and that trade looks horrible for Orlando,

13:35

right Same with the when the Bulls

13:37

traded for Zach Levine or

13:40

Levine, Like you think, oh, well, he's

13:42

a good young player, but then you look at what

13:45

the opportunity costs that come up

13:47

this summer, it's like, oh, well, now they

13:49

feel like obligated to match. So

13:51

I think that's a really good way to analyze for agency

13:54

and for the Calves, there isn't

13:56

as much opportunity costs as there was

13:58

in other situations where and when

14:00

transactions go down. Um,

14:02

they lose the right

14:05

too. They lose

14:07

cap space right, Um,

14:10

they lose potentially development

14:13

spots of the power forward position, but they don't

14:15

have any developmental players there, so that's not

14:17

really a huge issue other than

14:19

hashtag Billy Preston's season. Um

14:23

uh, they want to talk about

14:25

him. They lose uh,

14:29

you know, they they lose the

14:31

opportunity to take on a bad deal perhaps

14:34

with the cap space they create. But ultimately,

14:37

when you look at the upsides, I just think they far

14:39

outweigh the downsides with this. And

14:42

while the number is scary and while the

14:44

years are scary, um,

14:46

when you look at the alternatives, I just think that this

14:49

was the right call. Yeah,

14:52

I agree, I'm with you, man, and

14:54

it's it's you know, it's nice to

14:57

actually be able to put some perspective

14:59

to this, because I think that's what's been missing from the Twitter

15:01

conversation on it. You know, a

15:04

few people have pointed out that, you

15:06

know, this is gonna make him easier to trade and whatnot,

15:08

and then you know there's a lot of people that are like, well, Kevin Love

15:11

has no trade value. Yeah,

15:14

but he does now and you

15:17

know you may take back, uh,

15:19

you know, a bunch of dimes for him,

15:22

but that's okay. You know, this is a team that

15:24

that could can afford to like say, you

15:26

know what, hey, we like this second

15:29

year guy that you don't maybe see much in. Maybe

15:31

we can do something with him. You know. I just think

15:33

that the team

15:36

it's just tough because we look at Cleveland and

15:38

and they've just been so competitive the last four years

15:41

that you know, you kind

15:43

of look at them through the same lens, but that this is

15:45

a different team. Again, I think the Memphis

15:47

comp is a little bit closer than than,

15:50

uh than I meant for it to be. Actually,

15:53

now that I'm sitting here thinking about it, you know, like it's pretty

15:56

similar situation, um, only

15:58

they've got a couple of guys

16:00

that I really like a couple of young guys that I really like, although

16:02

Jaren Jackson is gonna be amazing. I mean, yeah,

16:05

I know you've been watching him. Uh

16:08

yeah, I've been watching him a lot because I'm writing a scouting

16:10

report about him right now. But yeah, he's just maybe

16:13

maybe this is some But

16:16

as as I've like developed

16:19

as a sports fan, certain things

16:21

have. My priorities

16:23

have changed in a lot of ways, and I've

16:25

gotten more sentimental and

16:28

I've gotten less interested

16:30

in like the

16:32

abstract. Um, I think

16:35

I think one year old Carter is saying

16:37

trade Kevin Love, burn it down, Let's

16:40

get some high draft picks. Twenty

16:42

seven year old Carter, He's like, Dude,

16:45

I don't want to watch a dogshit team every day.

16:49

Well, I mean, I'm going in your old age,

16:52

you've you've definitely become a soft.

16:54

Yeah. I think I'm getting soft as i'm getting older,

16:56

like and like, I'm not saying I'm an old

16:58

man here, I just think like is a difference

17:01

in perspective of like, this is supposed

17:03

to be a fun hobby and

17:06

watching Jeremy Pargo put up twenty

17:08

six shots is not my

17:10

idea of fun. And

17:13

there's also the sentimental value of Now

17:15

that Channing Friesman resigned, the Cavaliers

17:18

have four players from their championship

17:20

team left on the roster, Kevin

17:23

Love, Jared Smith, Tristan Thompson, and Channing fry

17:26

Um. And this is something, Uh,

17:28

my friend Ryan Morton, also friend

17:30

of the pod Um

17:33

says a lot is like like what are you building?

17:35

Like what what is what is it to be

17:37

a Cavalier? And like if

17:39

you're just completely jettizing everything

17:41

that just happened in the most important for

17:44

the most important team this franchise will ever

17:46

have. Um, I

17:48

don't know, there's just something, there's something

17:50

a little dirty to that. Yeah,

17:53

you don't want to be cavalier about fuck you,

17:57

um, But yeah, I don't know. I just think

17:59

that there's value in watching a decent

18:01

team. There's value and the kids having

18:04

a situation where they can grow because we

18:06

watched guys like Kyrie and Dion

18:09

learn the worst possible habits

18:12

when they were dicking around for four years,

18:15

uh, to the point where Lebron nearly

18:18

like like played like

18:20

a week in protest when

18:22

he came back because he was so upset

18:25

about how shitty these guys were,

18:28

uh, and the way they carried themselves

18:30

professionally. Having guys like Kyle Corbon.

18:33

Now I think the next step is I

18:35

don't think this team should be done making

18:37

moves because with

18:40

Kyle Korver's partially guaranteed contract

18:42

next year, George Hills partially

18:44

guaranteed contract next year, and Jr. Is partially

18:46

guaranteed contract next year, those are three

18:48

pieces that should hypothetically

18:51

have quite a bit of positive

18:53

value on a trade

18:55

market with teams trying to

18:57

load up for a pretty loaded for a big free

18:59

agent. See um

19:02

that have you know, one two

19:04

years left of some really bad contracts

19:07

on their books. Yeah,

19:11

I agree, And actually I'm

19:14

I'm kind of down with leaning in a little bit

19:16

on on having Colin Sexton as your

19:18

starting point guard. Um,

19:21

you're gonna be bad this year, like you're you know,

19:23

you could make the eighth seed, right, but that's not great?

19:26

Uh not in the East. Um,

19:28

you're gonna be bad. And and point guards

19:30

are typically bad as rookies, like really

19:33

bad in particular guys like Sexton. They're

19:35

gonna have the balls,

19:38

absolutely all of them, every

19:40

single one of them. Like Donovan Mitchell

19:42

if we're I mean, he's a combo guard. But he

19:45

played essentially as the lead ball handler

19:47

last year. He was kind of shockingly

19:49

good and he still wasn't. I mean he was, he

19:52

was good, but he wasn't great. Like he's

19:55

gonna be better because of it. So

19:57

getting to take those lumps in a season

20:00

where you're not expected to

20:02

to do much, I think is good, right, Like the pressure

20:04

will be off. Oh well, Cleveland's not that good

20:06

anyway. Um. Rather than going

20:08

George Hill and bringing Colin sexon

20:10

off the bench, I think it would be better to play sex

20:12

and with Kevin. You

20:15

absolutely again start Hill and and

20:17

Sexton together. Interest

20:20

as my bold prediction.

20:23

I I don't think that that's terrible. That's

20:26

a that's a pretty good point of a techeas.

20:28

I mean, both guys can defend. Both

20:30

have huge wingspans. Um

20:32

well, Sexton can defend in theory, uh,

20:35

not in practice yet, but Hill

20:37

has like a seven foot wingspan or some

20:39

something. People always forget that,

20:41

so he can in

20:44

a pench Um. Now,

20:46

you he played there a lot with

20:48

the with the Pacers, and he played there a lot

20:50

with Um. And while

20:53

I do think there is a degree of like and

20:55

I've I've said this before with Justin, I think

20:57

we slightly over over eight

21:00

wingspan relative to height. I

21:02

still think being taller matters. I

21:04

think having your shoulders up in a

21:06

guy's grill as opposed you

21:08

know, like the I think the wingspan

21:10

helps obviously, but I don't think I'd rather

21:12

have a taller guy with the

21:14

same wing span as

21:16

opposed to it, or you know, with the same standing reach,

21:19

uh than a shorter guy with the same standing

21:21

reach. Like. I still think that matters.

21:23

But in a pinch, Yeah, you can play

21:26

that guy's shooting guard. He can shoot, uh, he

21:28

can have some secondary creation to help, uh

21:30

take you know, take ease Sexton's

21:33

burden. Um, he's

21:35

at his best, by the way, as a secondary create,

21:38

probably even tertiary at this point. Um,

21:42

which maybe will happen with you know, you have a

21:44

you'll be able to run some pick and roll with all three

21:46

of him, Sexton and Osman,

21:49

who while Osmond still can't dribble.

21:51

I think they're gonna try. They're gonna try to develop

21:54

that part of his game, and rightfully

21:56

so in my opinion. Um,

21:58

but yeah, well, well we'll see what they

22:00

do there. But I don't think they're gonna start

22:03

JR. And I

22:05

guess the rodney Hood situation complicates

22:07

things, But I guess

22:10

we'll assume he's not on the team until he's

22:13

I'll tell you man um that

22:15

has been I don't know. I was

22:17

high on rodney Hood coming out of Duke, and

22:20

I thought rodney Hood was going to be amazing last

22:22

year with more opportunity. And then Donovan Mitchell

22:24

happened, and then rodney Hood was

22:26

hurt, and then and then he quit

22:28

on the team, and then

22:30

he quit. I can't believe that they

22:33

haven't rescinded the qualifying offer. It's

22:36

a really it's a weird I've

22:38

talked about this a lot with with Chris

22:40

and Justin and Ashley the

22:43

Fear of the Sword Crew. It's a really

22:45

weird spot because on

22:48

one hand, you traded assets for the guy

22:50

and he does

22:52

have promise. He is twenty five years

22:55

old. Um, he

22:57

can shoot, he can score a little

22:59

bit off the dribble, he can a little bit of a pick and roll.

23:01

He's a theoretically good defender. He's

23:04

got really shorts, but he's he's got

23:07

some size, at least he's at least tall

23:09

um, which helps um.

23:13

But then you have this really ugly cloud

23:16

blooming over him. But then that

23:18

same cloud is enabling

23:21

you to potentially sign this

23:23

guy for nothing, like

23:26

I mean, what's the worst deal

23:28

that they could get him on? Like two

23:31

for fifteen, two

23:33

for sixteen, Like, hell,

23:35

they could probably get him. I mean, what's the

23:37

qualifying offer for him with six

23:41

Yeah, they may wind up getting him

23:43

for that because there's just no market for him,

23:45

which I'm sure I think the value I'm

23:47

not shocked by because teams

23:49

just teams overreact to stuff in the

23:51

playoffs, just like anyone else, right, and

23:54

he was But at the same time,

23:56

it's a wing it's a wing league, and

23:58

he's shown that he can score, and I

24:00

think that, you know, I'm surprised someone hasn't

24:03

thrown out a you know,

24:05

two year sixteen. I'm

24:07

surprised by it with such a bad showing.

24:10

If he were an unrestricted free agent, I think

24:12

he'd have a deal by now. But I think

24:14

in free agency, especially early on, it

24:17

was like, we're not tying up our cap space

24:19

for three days for that guy, right,

24:21

and now no one now the hazard

24:24

in such a position of But I

24:26

do think that there's an interesting

24:30

lying to be drawn of do

24:32

you do you try to lock

24:34

him up for a couple of years, try to see where

24:37

this can go. Um, because

24:39

the quote if he takes a qualifying offer, you're

24:41

not operating in a position of strength, not

24:44

at all, Like you want to offer him as

24:47

possible for as

24:50

many years as possible, still

24:53

somehow preferable to the qualifying

24:55

offer. That's not fucking

24:58

your cap sheet up. It's really weird, do

25:00

it. I would do a cheaper version of

25:02

what the Jazz did with excem

25:04

Um. I would I

25:06

would maybe try three years seven

25:09

million per and

25:11

three for one, fully

25:14

guaranteed, no options, and

25:17

and just see what happens, because man,

25:19

there's a there's a player in there, but

25:23

Cleland, like I don't, I don't know, like im

25:25

that's the question, feeling like my personal

25:28

bridge isn't burned? Yeah,

25:31

exactly. Well, it's all about like how

25:33

does the organization feel. I mean, they obviously

25:36

played him after this me he played meaningful

25:38

minutes, so you know, I don't. I don't

25:40

know. Maybe they worked it out and and maybe it's

25:42

not as big of a deal as we think it is, but it was

25:44

a big deal to me when it happened. I could

25:46

I couldn't believe it the worst possible

25:48

look, and um,

25:51

yeah, I guess like it all comes down to first

25:54

you have to decide if you want him around. But

25:56

if as soon as you decide you want him around, you

25:59

have an interesting dance to play.

26:01

And I'm interested

26:03

how it plays out, My guests, if

26:05

I had to venture one, I think he's going to take the

26:07

qualifying offer. Yeah,

26:12

and the Calves will have another wing to figure

26:14

it out with. Is

26:17

Corver getting moved? You think it's a weird

26:19

spot. The bayliss st Of never

26:21

held any water with me, um,

26:24

because it didn't make sense because

26:26

the Calves are gonna The best case scenario

26:29

for the Calves with any of

26:31

these young guys, or with any of these sorry

26:33

not young guys, with any of these guys who

26:35

are have non guaranteed uh

26:39

the deals, the Corvers,

26:41

the j Rs, the Hills, is

26:43

that, especially

26:45

in Corver's case, you send

26:47

him to a team that needs them.

26:50

Uh. You know, let's say like the Box or someone

26:52

wanted Kyle Corver but that also

26:55

had a bad contract that they wanted to send back.

26:58

Because Corver on his own,

27:00

he's worth maybe a second, you

27:03

know, like he's thirty seven, Like come on, um

27:07

and j R. You know, you could argue as

27:09

a player is negative value right now.

27:12

Um it would probably also argue

27:14

the same, or you wouldn't argue the same with George

27:16

Hill, who is still a useful player, but

27:20

especially someone like Corver Hill. You

27:22

can give a team a rotation

27:24

player and get them off terrible

27:26

money and that gets you up to Okay,

27:29

now we're talking maybe a first and

27:32

I think the Calves should be in the business of picking up

27:35

first round picks right now for their

27:37

assets that are non essential moving forward.

27:40

Um So the bailifs

27:42

thing never made since because Bayliss was on an expiring

27:44

deal, So it would just be trading

27:47

a player for a player and expiring for an expiring

27:49

basically and getting you know,

27:51

maybe a decent second out of it. I just don't think it's

27:53

worth it for the Calves to do that when

27:56

you look at the value Corver

27:58

has in the locker room

28:02

exactly that was that was where I was coming from,

28:04

and you're honestly you're getting a worse player. Yeah,

28:07

Like, well, I think bays the second round

28:09

is not worth you already have six exactly

28:11

the team already like it would have

28:13

been just for the pick that would have been the real haul, and

28:17

it's just not enough. It's so it's a weird

28:20

um and like I think

28:22

Sixers fans, if they heard that, would be like, well,

28:24

screw you. You don't you don't get a first for Corver.

28:27

And I'm like, yeah, I agree, which

28:29

is why the steel isn't gonna happen. And

28:32

that's okay the Calves. The Calves

28:34

have They've made their bed and now

28:36

they have to lay in it. And this is kind of what

28:38

they knew was going to happen all along. You know,

28:40

if if Lebron left, so mind

28:43

having a guy like Kyle Corver around

28:45

to teach Jenny Osman how to be a pro, Like

28:49

you want a title, want a title? Like

28:51

that's the thing is you want a title two years

28:54

ago. I just think sometimes there's an assumption

28:56

among like NBA fans, that

28:59

any team, any two teams, can

29:01

make a trade, you can find a way to make it work,

29:03

and that's just not true. Every

29:07

contract is movable, but I

29:10

don't I don't think every guy is.

29:13

That's not even what I'm saying. Again, what I'm saying is

29:15

you can have a team like the

29:17

Sixers. They can say, okay, we want

29:19

Kyle Corver, but the

29:22

assets don't trade

29:24

yeah to make it work, um,

29:27

because the incentives don't jive

29:30

just the right way. Now,

29:32

the Sixers had a terrible deal to get

29:34

off of, like just a trash deal

29:36

that they hated. Then you could

29:38

say, Okay, yeah, we'll do that for Corver, but

29:41

we'll need you know, like I protected

29:46

or something like that, nobody's

29:48

moving protected or

29:50

something. The point is you could do

29:52

that, but it doesn't work there. So I think

29:55

that the Calves should be very diligent with

29:57

these these three trade pieces

29:59

they have because I think these non guarantees

30:01

on the back end of their deals are going to be valuable,

30:05

especially George Hill. I mean,

30:07

you could bail Memphis out of Chandler Parsons

30:10

for that, and

30:12

you can ask for some stuff you can you Hey,

30:15

they were trying to attach the their first

30:17

rounder this year. That turned into Jared Jackson

30:20

to move Chandler Parsons, which would have been

30:23

and I think they would have asked for a lot, and that's why

30:25

it didn't happen. But the point is,

30:28

like they teams are gonna be desperate

30:30

to get off money that have. You

30:33

know, what could you get from the Hornets

30:35

if you wanted to help them get off the

30:38

tumb and mkg Oh

30:41

yeah you could. Probably there are bad deals

30:43

around and for players

30:46

that the Cobs wouldn't be miserable to add

30:48

necessarily. Um and

30:50

those are the deals that Kobe Allman needs to be

30:52

looking for now that Kevin

30:55

Love is locked out. Yeah.

30:59

So, uh are

31:01

you optimistic about this year? Am I too

31:03

optimistic and saying that I feel like they could possibly

31:06

win forty games? Yeah? I think so. I

31:08

think they're gonna I think they're gonna have a twenty third

31:10

best record in the league. I

31:13

just think the East sucks so bad. Yeah,

31:16

But like I think people

31:18

are underestimating when they're looking at a

31:20

few players that they like on this Cavs team.

31:23

And I know that you're not saying that you think they're great,

31:25

just you're just mainly comparing them bad

31:27

the East is. But exactly,

31:30

my point has always been one

31:34

if they're if they're winning forty games, that

31:36

means your wildest dreams

31:38

came true about Colin Sexton and

31:40

Jetty Osmond well

31:43

also Kevin Love. See this is the thing. Basically,

31:46

what I'm saying is I ken,

31:49

how many games did this did the Wolves wins.

31:54

That's really what it is. Yeah, it's like peque

31:56

pete Kevin Love got him to forty wins.

31:58

And that's what I'm thinking. It's like, all right, we're gonna get peque

32:01

Kevin Love and not fat Kevin Love.

32:03

This is in shape? What about? You know? What

32:05

about? Do

32:10

you think that's what we're getting? Guys missed like twenty

32:12

games a year for the last three years. That's

32:14

true. That's true. Well, and he's probably gonna get

32:16

moved to the deadline anyway. So it's a mood point. I

32:18

don't know, man, You know then I

32:20

think you you can't. I just

32:23

refused to understate the impact

32:25

of having your entire team built around one player

32:28

and then everything you do is built around

32:30

that one player, and then all of a sudden you're just supposed

32:32

to completely change your identity in three

32:34

months while

32:38

only adding Channing and

32:41

Colins Sexton. Also Billy Preston,

32:44

who is a really impressive athlete.

32:46

I don't even think he's as no,

32:50

this is I'm trying to I'm

32:52

trying to be like, Yeah, I don't know,

32:54

man, I just think like when you look at that that

32:56

much change and you like you have

32:58

to factor in those up punches. Those

33:01

matter, and it's hard

33:03

to change your entire mentality

33:06

when you're playing with the same group of guys. But

33:08

with this main key key cog

33:11

that just isn't there anymore. Yeah,

33:15

it's that could be good. How is tylu gonna do

33:18

him? I mean this. Ryan

33:21

Morton is already shaking his head, just kidding. He would

33:23

never listen to just a pot with just me on it.

33:25

Um, Well, but I'm

33:27

on it fair you still won't

33:30

listen. Yeah, and we we met I R

33:32

L More it's great.

33:36

More Uh is

33:39

already shaking his head because he hates when we talk about

33:41

coaches because we don't know what we're talking

33:43

about, especially when we're diving into their head

33:46

of like their men. Ready,

33:48

I was gonna say, I would challenge that I tend

33:51

I tend to feel like I got a pretty good read

33:53

on some of these guys head coaches now assistant

33:55

coaches. I can't tell you. It's just like always like I

33:57

don't think, I don't think anyone can. You know, when

33:59

you don't know the interpersonal relationships, you don't

34:01

know what's going on. So there is

34:03

a fair amount of guesswork going on. When you're not

34:06

talking about straight and

34:08

Um, I will

34:10

say this, I will say that this year will

34:12

be it'll be an easier job

34:14

because the expectations are glower. So

34:17

I'm hoping that Tyler is healthy. I hope

34:19

he's healthy because I mean, clearly

34:21

had a nightmare year last year. Um, for

34:23

a thousand reasons, I

34:25

think he'll be fine. Um, I

34:28

think there's a world in which he falls

34:30

asleep at the wheel because

34:33

it's like I would

34:35

personally, I but like all of my

34:37

takes on this are so based

34:39

on my own projection, and it's like

34:43

I would have a hard time going from

34:45

competing for championships two

34:48

Like, come on, guys, we can

34:50

beat the nets on the road. You're

34:53

gonna be eating popcorn, Come on, fellers,

34:55

Like I just would struggle. Um.

34:58

Yeah, It's like it's

35:00

like the old like movie trope of like the big

35:03

city kid goes back to his

35:05

country bumpkin hometown. That's

35:07

what the Calves are. Oh

35:10

no, well, the

35:12

one silver lining is we're gonna get a ton of

35:15

unto you

35:17

watch the Calves Summer League action at

35:19

all? Yeah, I watched

35:21

some of you. What do you think I had to go watch

35:23

my boy Colin I, like I

35:26

do, Like he didn't look like an NBA player last

35:29

summer League for Boston, and

35:31

he looked pretty freaking good. Yeah,

35:35

he's looking in good shape. He looked

35:37

like a guy who has now been in the league,

35:40

you know, for a season, right,

35:42

Like, so those guys typically

35:44

show up the summer league and look better than everyone

35:46

else. And and that's that's to me, that's part of

35:48

the progression for a guy who's you know, not gonna

35:50

be especially when they didn't get to play all

35:53

year. Like you want to see

35:55

those guys a summer league like clearly

35:57

be better than everyone than their peers.

36:00

Like Yaboseli is a good

36:02

example of this. Now he did play more

36:04

than Zizi, but at the same time,

36:06

he wasn't like, you know, Jalen Brown.

36:09

He wouldn't playing like Jalen Brown. Minutes so um,

36:11

Yabo Selli goes out there and looks head and shoulders

36:14

above you know the rest of the guys, you know,

36:16

Uh, Shimmy Osually, who did play a

36:18

lot. It looks like he didn't. Oh

36:20

man, why is he playing it summer ly? You know? Josh

36:22

Hart kind of the same way. Now, of

36:25

course, like much made

36:29

the World Cup Final and the Cabs let him

36:31

go home, right, Yeah,

36:33

So I mean he he definitely looked good in those

36:36

in those couple of games. So I think

36:38

that, you know, it would be good to actually see him getting some rotation

36:40

minutes. I'm assuming we're gonna see him.

36:43

I don't know is he gonna be with a second

36:45

big off the bench. Is he going to be? And

36:49

I've talked about it a little bit on other podcasts,

36:51

but they've got like five centers

36:53

they got to play between Thompson Nance.

36:56

I think Fry will mostly be just a bench

36:59

guy, but like he actually helps you play

37:01

Thompson and Nance at the four. So

37:03

you kind of have to give him some minutes because

37:05

you don't have a backup power forward um

37:09

right now. Uh so you kind

37:11

of need to play Fry a little bit UM.

37:14

So it's gonna be hard to find zes minutes.

37:16

This this team needs a couple consolidating

37:18

moves, um, just to clear

37:20

guys who need to play off the roster, U

37:23

to get room for their other guys who need to

37:25

play like Jordan Clarkson funk

37:28

out of here. And

37:31

I think, I mean the Lakers are gonna

37:33

be you know, they mean, hey, they love guys

37:36

like Clarkson on that roster clearly.

37:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

37:41

wonder if there's a Tristan Thompson trade out there.

37:44

I haven't really thought about it a whole lot,

37:46

but it feels like he might need and

37:48

and and I don't love saying that,

37:51

but it feels like that might be the case. Yeah.

37:57

I think that there's a deal out there for him. I mean

37:59

he's got this year and next

38:01

year left. Uh yeah,

38:04

that is true, okay, yeah,

38:06

and so yeah, I mean thirteen millions

38:08

not that bad of a contract. People like to lose their

38:10

minds. It's not that bad. But he also

38:12

wasn't very good list year, so it's

38:15

hard to know. Yeah,

38:17

but the things that he does well if you if

38:19

you just focus on those, right, like

38:23

offensive rebounding and setting

38:25

screens. Now I know that those you know, setting

38:27

screens is valuable and offensive rebounding

38:29

is not really um I

38:31

think you have to you have to rebound it like

38:33

as a team at like for

38:35

for it to be worthwhile um off

38:39

as a rebounding rate, uh,

38:41

which would be insane. But uh yeah,

38:43

he's not like a bad player. And at thirteen

38:45

million, you know, in

38:48

this environment. I think you might be able to

38:50

do. I don't think you're gonna get positive

38:52

value out of him, but you might be able to get a neutral

38:56

And if that opens up more room for

38:58

the guys who need to play, you

39:00

might need to do that. Yeah,

39:02

I mean like I would maybe talk to Atlanta.

39:05

You do see what they had going on. They are just

39:08

the America's dumping ground

39:10

at this point. Yeah.

39:13

Um, but yeah, I don't know. I wonder if there's

39:15

a deal, it's certainly possible. I wonder

39:18

before before we wrap, I think

39:20

we should probably hit on some uh,

39:23

some some league news at large.

39:25

Kauai passed his physical. Uh,

39:29

he's despite

39:32

the the loud protestations

39:35

in the from his camp clearly

39:38

or or you know, from some camp

39:40

uh in the aftermath of the trade, I

39:44

think he's got a better chance of staying

39:46

then. Oh, I

39:49

definitely think so. I

39:51

definitely think so. I just think that team

39:54

makes so much sense. And

39:57

I know Calves fans aren't gonna love hearing

39:59

that after we shipped on the Raptors year after

40:01

year after year, But this makes

40:04

sense, man, Like across the board

40:06

top to bottom. Um,

40:08

you know exactly how they're gonna fly. You

40:11

know it's gonna work, and I might

40:13

be the world's biggest Danny Green fan. No,

40:18

you're you're the second. You

40:21

know this, right did you make that

40:23

joke? Oh my god, hold on now. Yeah,

40:27

Danny Green is like my favorite people, might

40:29

be my favorite role player in the NBA. Yeah,

40:32

I mean I and I really mean that. And you

40:35

know, knowing that he was fighting injuries,

40:37

you know, last season, and that really affected his shooting.

40:40

I mean before I knew this, before they came

40:42

out, you know, like I knew about the growing thing

40:44

he's had, like the no

40:48

no, no no, no, I mean like this

40:51

was not news since right, like we know he suffered

40:53

a groin injury. Yeah, yeah,

40:56

well, groin injuries also take a long time to heal.

40:58

I had this whole thing about injuries where people

41:00

just just assumed because the guys on the court,

41:02

he's fine. But like if you spring your ankle

41:05

in September, you know, like in

41:07

in you know, mini camp

41:09

or or in a training camp, You're

41:12

you're screwed for the year. That's

41:14

just how it is. That ankle is

41:18

it's not you. It's not going to be stable. Um

41:21

and and playing on it just makes it worse. So

41:23

these guys that take like ten days off and then

41:25

come back, they're just not gonna be right. And

41:27

Marcus Smart has fallen victim into this

41:29

like three times out of four in his career.

41:32

Three years out of four he has wrecked his ankle, and I

41:34

think it really affects his shooting. Steph

41:37

Curry last year that he's

41:39

not bad, Yeah,

41:43

but like Steph Curry last year, he hurt his ankle

41:45

early, then hurt his knee, and

41:47

then hurt his ankle again, and just he's never

41:49

right exactly. So you

41:52

know, those early injuries, I think people just I

41:54

don't know, they forget about it. But anyway, so yeah, but

41:56

Danny Green, what he brings to the table defensively

41:59

is this transition defender history.

42:03

Absolutely, you took the words out

42:05

of my mouth. The best transition defender

42:08

in NBA history, where transition

42:10

points are actually the easiest buckets

42:12

you can possibly score. Danny Green,

42:15

like his possessions

42:17

in the NBA Finals against the Peak

42:21

death machine heat where

42:23

he would just shut down Wade Lebron two

42:26

on once, he

42:28

was just amazing. It's just like, and

42:30

don't forget he had in

42:33

that final. We're gonna give him Finals MVP

42:35

after Game four, like

42:37

he was so good. Um.

42:39

I love watching him play. He very

42:42

rarely goes beyond himself. Sometimes he tries

42:44

to dribble too much, but whatever.

42:48

Well, last year he showed that he learned how to

42:50

dribble, but it's still never should never be his

42:52

like thing, not

42:55

a job. I think that the

42:57

Spurs are really going to miss him, and I think that the

42:59

Raptors are really gonna love them. I

43:01

just think the fact that every

43:03

Raptors line up that they've ever put out

43:05

there in the last I

43:08

don't know, four or five years, even

43:12

as these teams have been very good, every

43:14

lineup they've ever put out has been has

43:16

had some sort of like consolation

43:19

they've had to make, Like they've had to be like,

43:22

well, we can play

43:25

Lowry, Van Fleet and de Rosen, but

43:27

we're gonna be super small, or

43:29

you know, like we can play Ibach and Jonas,

43:32

but we're not gonna be super mobile.

43:34

Like they have lineups

43:37

that can do they can play

43:39

lineups that are both good and

43:42

flexible without a ton of concessions,

43:46

and that their death lineup like

43:49

is just gonna be they actually now

43:51

they have a team that would probably beat the Calves

43:54

with Lebron Um they

43:56

have it this year. Like this this team like

43:58

they can care. They can close games,

44:01

right, They can close games with

44:05

like Kyle Lowry, Danny Green, Kawhi

44:07

Leonard, O, Giana Nobi and

44:09

Pascal Siakam at the five or a

44:11

back at the five or you know what I mean, Like

44:14

any combination of those guys like

44:17

that is insane. I said

44:20

on my podcast yesterday on the NBA

44:22

with Flo Um. Yeah,

44:24

I said, I feel like I feel

44:27

like they're a little bit better than the Celtics, UM

44:29

because I do think that when you

44:31

have the best player, you have an advantage. And

44:33

I think Kauai, you

44:36

know, if we're going into the season, assuming

44:38

he's healthy and hasn't like forgotten how to play

44:40

basketball, Kauai is the best player in the

44:42

East. UM,

44:44

And they actually have all of this line up

44:46

versatility, and the Celtics sort

44:48

of have that, but not in

44:50

the way that that Toronto

44:53

does. Now. UM, I think

44:55

that Toronto has built a team

44:57

that really can potentially challenge

44:59

the Warrior. And it's it's crazy that just

45:02

adding two players does

45:04

that. But when you get Danny Green and

45:06

Kawhi Leonard, that's that's how it is. I mean, it's the best

45:08

wing defender in the league. My

45:10

head wants to put the Raptors ahead

45:12

of the Celtics, but

45:15

my gut just has the Celtics head

45:17

still. I think that there are I

45:19

think we're gonna learn a lot about the

45:21

ceiling of the Boston Celtics next year.

45:25

Um, because well, this

45:27

is the year. Remember every other year

45:29

it's been they've been ahead. This

45:31

is the year they might just

45:33

go out and win sixty eight games or something

45:35

outrageous. I really think that it's

45:38

a good regular season team with unreal

45:40

depth, with talent coming back

45:42

healthy, with young guys,

45:45

young legs, um, with a

45:47

strong defensive identity. Everyone fits.

45:50

Um, they should be amazing. And I think

45:52

we're slightly underrating them

45:54

because we have a tendency to do that with

45:56

Gyrie Irving's teams. Yeah,

46:00

how long is it gonna be Kyrie's team? Though? That's

46:03

fair. I mean I'm not as I'm not as high

46:05

on Tatum as everyone else. Um, though

46:07

I think he's great. Oh, I didn't mean like that.

46:09

I mean, you know it's Kyrie. Is

46:11

Kyrie gonna be to go to New

46:14

York? I think he's going

46:16

to New York, whether whether

46:18

he's traded there at the deadline or

46:20

sooner or um,

46:22

whether he leaves next summer, I think he's going to be.

46:24

Imagine how fun MSG would be

46:27

if Kyrie was like like dropping

46:29

fifty. It's

46:31

exactly you know what? All right? So

46:34

Matt Moore who um HP

46:37

basketball on Twitter? Uh?

46:40

I believe that it was him, and hopefully

46:42

it was him. But like I actually said

46:44

this when I forget what was happening, But there was

46:46

a really fun Knicks game and it was like at

46:49

the Garden and it was just fun. You know, it's a it's

46:51

a knowledgeable basketball crowd, so when when

46:53

stuff is happening for some reason, there's just a buzz

46:55

in that arena, and then there's all the history

46:57

and stuff. And I mentioned that and and he

47:00

kind of pooh pooed it. Um people

47:04

up. But

47:09

yeah, But then a bunch of other

47:11

people kind of jumped in and said the same thing,

47:13

and he was like, well, maybe I'm wrong. Um,

47:16

I'm with you on that. I think that MSG

47:18

when bun stuff is happening. I don't

47:20

know why, but it just feels like it's

47:22

more fun. There's sort of like oracle, right, Like

47:24

before it was only full of rich people. Yeah,

47:28

when when good stuff was happening, it was

47:30

you know, there's a reason why they called it. There's just certain

47:33

like in that sense, like I

47:35

get why exceptionalism happens with fan

47:38

bases because it's just cool when

47:40

certain teams are really really good. I

47:43

think it's even if you hate them. I think it's

47:45

interesting when Notre Dame football is really

47:47

good, or when the Yankees are

47:49

really good. I think the Knicks like

47:52

as just one of those teams that you just think about

47:54

when you think about the sport um,

47:57

despite determined

47:59

efforts to make

48:01

it not the case by their own organization.

48:04

Um, I just think like there's

48:06

nothing more fun like Len sanity. Isn't Len

48:08

sanity anywhere else? And absolutely

48:11

I just think that Kyrie

48:15

lighting up MSG in the orangin Blue

48:17

Knicks. I just think it's like such an easy picture.

48:21

Absolutely, And and there's the whole New York

48:23

point guard tradition. There's like all these

48:25

fun things that are interwoven into

48:27

the sport itself, right, not just the

48:30

NBA. And I just think I

48:32

think that would be a lot of fun, um, and it'd

48:34

be more fun if he's on the Knicks than the next

48:37

you know, I like, I think that that matters

48:39

a little bit. And this is like, this is where we're getting

48:41

into the we're getting into the sentimental

48:44

stuff, right, yeah

48:47

in your old age now you're not old enough to remember

48:49

this, But see in the nineties

48:51

when the Knicks were decent, um.

48:55

You know, they weren't great, but they were good, and

48:57

they had these hard nose, fun

48:59

teams to watch, right because they were hard nosed,

49:02

and like, they never beat the Bulls except

49:05

for you know that one year, um

49:07

when when Jordan was playing baseball.

49:10

Um, But they never beat the Bulls. They

49:12

just couldn't beat them. But those series

49:14

were still so much fun because the Garden

49:17

was electric. It's why they'll never be able to get

49:19

rid of that arena. It's just it's it's

49:21

an iconic place. And you

49:23

know, it's uh, it's a shame

49:25

that that the Lakers don't play in the

49:27

Forum anymore, you know, like stuff like that, because

49:29

I feel like that history of the game stuff

49:32

that that kind of carries over. I think it's

49:34

fun, Like it's really fun. Like

49:36

I like that they still call the

49:39

TD Garden the Garden, you know what I mean. I

49:41

think that that's and it's it's a weird thing

49:43

to say that the name of it, but like

49:46

it's fun. It's fun. I

49:50

think that up on the north side of the state.

49:52

Um. Yeah, I don't know, man, it matters.

49:55

Uh And yeah, I think that

49:57

having someone that's where

50:00

are like the consolidation of talent in

50:02

the league right now can kind of hurt is that

50:04

there are franchises and just don't have shit,

50:07

um right, and the league

50:10

doesn't. I mean, you know, they're

50:12

they're not pumped about Durant being in Golden

50:14

State. You know. I made a I

50:17

made a plea to uh

50:19

a league executive UH

50:21

at summer League, and I was

50:24

really pushing hard for expansion. Um

50:27

with teams only being able to protect

50:29

two players because you

50:32

start over, just yeah, just

50:34

mix it up a bit, um. You know,

50:37

that would be fun. But that's not empowering

50:39

players. Now, it's not. That's not a very

50:41

woke opinion, Dave. Well,

50:45

you know, and I'm all for empowering players,

50:47

so I'm I'm good. But at

50:49

the same time, harbor around little our

50:53

our own delusions on

50:55

that end, we should probably wrap. I should let

50:57

you go. It's late, Um, since

50:59

you're bad Yeah,

51:02

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51:06

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