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Welcome to the Chase Down Podcast. I'm your

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host Justin Rohan. Summer League

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has officially wrapped up. The Calves

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lost to the Lakers, not their

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first loss to the Lakers this summer, but hope

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for the future with calling sex and dropping

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twenty seven points. Lakers

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went full try hards with their twenty

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three year old Josh Hart, while the Calves

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arrested Jetty and let Zizits

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enjoy the World Cup. Um. Carter

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Rodriguez is back back

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from his work trip and ready to talk

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some Calves. How's it going, buddy? As good?

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Um, poland was lovely. I had a lot

0:43

of potato pancakes and parroguys

0:46

and the like, and potato pancakes are

0:48

under dude, I didn't realize I've never had them before.

0:51

Um, or at least I was so.

0:53

I think I had a fundamental misunderstanding about

0:56

what potato pancakes were supposed to be. I

0:58

thought they were also a breakfast food

1:00

like regular pancakes. Yeah,

1:04

and yeah, you thought it was a pancakes substitute

1:06

rather than like a different It's a completely

1:08

different kind of food. And it was amazing.

1:11

Um, yeah, cadaviats, it was really, really cool.

1:14

Um, and I would recommend anyone would

1:16

you go there because you also can

1:18

live like a king because one dollar is

1:20

worth three point six eight Latti,

1:23

and prices weren't so inflated

1:25

that that wasn't an enormous difference. Do

1:27

you feel that when you come to the States,

1:30

like the dollar, the US dollar being more valuable

1:32

or does it pretty much wash break even?

1:34

No, I definitely feel it. Um.

1:37

I just typically get enough

1:39

US cash before I go over, But

1:43

at the same time, like I if

1:46

I get enough cash in my wall before I

1:48

go over, I don't think about the

1:50

difference, but you definitely feel it, especially

1:53

when you're you're getting said cave. That's the way

1:55

I felt with euros, like

1:57

like playing paying with euros when

2:00

we were in Italy. It was just like it

2:03

was like it was like everything felt so cheap and

2:06

then I realized like how

2:08

much more we had spent by the end,

2:10

you know. But

2:13

yeah, it's interesting anyway,

2:15

basketball, Sorry, I thought that. I think currency

2:17

stuff is interesting, like cost of

2:19

living and like the way it plays

2:21

out. Um. The Calves were actually

2:23

pretty fun uh this summer league, despite

2:26

the fact that two of their three.

2:29

If you're feeling charitable, four interesting players.

2:32

Uh didn't play almost every single

2:35

game. Yeah,

2:37

yeah, it made it a little bit tougher

2:39

to watch. Um, I was very much

2:41

here for the Billy Preston season. Um,

2:44

he just got better, like with every

2:46

single game, Like you could tell there was rust at

2:48

the beginning, and Preston just looked

2:51

progressively more and more like a

2:53

player that, um can be productive

2:55

in Canton next season. Um.

2:58

That that sound you just heard was

3:00

everyone here listening every vestige

3:03

of the Lebron era listenership we had

3:06

that doesn't care about the calves turning

3:09

off the episode that

3:14

you don't think people want to hang around for Billy

3:16

Preston and can't Billy Preston moves the needle

3:18

for such a small percentage of the population,

3:21

it just happens to be our listenership. Well,

3:25

as long as he's moving the needle for

3:27

our listeners and not recklessly

3:30

on his own car, I think we're going to be okay, Misty

3:34

buddy, But

3:37

he was so I'm kind of glad

3:39

you said that because I missed. You know, I was

3:41

only able to watch the last couple of games

3:44

in Passing, and I was honestly

3:46

a little disappointed by preston where he was

3:49

from what I saw early on in Summer League,

3:51

who was like, oh dude, this

3:54

dude can't dribble at all, um,

3:57

and it is like really lunge e defensively.

3:59

Um, he's not quite as athletic

4:02

as I thought he was going to be. Did you think you were getting We

4:04

were getting more of a freak than we did. Um.

4:08

Not necessarily. I definitely

4:11

understood that

4:14

it might not completely translate like I thought.

4:16

He looked really fast out there, um,

4:19

but there was actually more control

4:22

to his game than I anticipated initially,

4:25

Like I expected just a hundred and ten

4:27

miles an hour the entire time, because

4:29

if you look at the highlights, that's what it

4:31

is. But I felt that there

4:33

was more control to the game and a

4:36

more measured approach than I would

4:38

have expected. So that that might have contributed

4:41

to just kind of how you perceived him, how

4:43

we play. Yeah, I don't know. I just where

4:45

I felt I saw him, like not his athletic

4:48

because I wanted it's like I felt, you can't like load up

4:50

to jump a little more than him. Then I

4:52

wanted I wanted him to be just a guy

4:54

who just like levitates up. Um,

4:57

like effortlessly. Um. But you know

4:59

I thought he he definitely, from what I

5:01

saw, got better and better over the course of Summer

5:04

League. And regardless of how he played

5:06

in Summer League, I don't think that was gonna affect the way I

5:08

felt about giving him the two way deal, um,

5:11

because I think it's exactly the right kind of shot

5:13

team should take on

5:16

prospects, especially excuse

5:18

me at a burp lingering. Uh, that's

5:22

gross's that's

5:24

the unfiltered talk you get out of a man

5:26

who's spent the last week in

5:29

the Eastern Block. Um.

5:32

But you know, I think, yeah, it's yeah, some

5:35

of it from what I saw, But

5:38

I I don't I think he should spend

5:41

most of the year in Canton. I don't think there's I

5:43

would put the chances on him getting

5:46

a big league call up like a full time

5:48

contract slim

5:50

to none. Yeah, I

5:52

agree, unless things go completely

5:54

to ship like if Kevin Love gets traded

5:56

and all the other veterans gets traded in and

5:59

it's just unique. We're going to experiment.

6:01

Yeah, we're going to experiment, and Preston

6:04

has been playing well, Um,

6:06

then then I can see it changing. I think

6:08

as he gets his gets more confidence,

6:11

he'll he'll probably see him look more

6:13

explosive, like he moves up and down the

6:15

court quickly. But when you have guys

6:18

that size, it's

6:20

kind of like a train. It doesn't look like a

6:22

train's moving fast, but then when you actually

6:24

have it go by you, it's like, Okay, well that thing is

6:26

actually moving with some pace. Um.

6:28

I just think that some of it's

6:31

Russ, some of it's he's probably not in

6:33

the best shape that of

6:35

his life at this point. Um.

6:38

But I agree that that's the type of guy that you take

6:40

a shot on because he was someone

6:42

that was projected to have potential

6:45

lottery type talent and

6:47

and uh that obviously didn't

6:49

pan out, and he kind

6:51

of reduced the number of workouts he

6:53

took, he didn't participate in the combine,

6:55

obviously had some off the court issues.

6:58

But that's that's the type of gamble

7:01

you take. And um

7:03

it's uh, it was encouraging to

7:05

at least have one other guy other than Sexton

7:08

that you could kind of keep an eye

7:10

on in Summer League because John

7:12

Holland, as much as he played welling

7:14

in some games, UM, I

7:17

think we're most of us are ready to move

7:19

on from the Holland experience. Yeah,

7:21

you boy isn't an NBA player, and

7:23

that's that's no insult.

7:26

Most most people aren't, but

7:28

John Holland certainly isn't one. UM.

7:31

I think before we get to Sexton, who's obviously

7:33

kind of the crown jewel, we

7:36

should talk about the Calves second year players,

7:38

um, who every in every way looked

7:41

the part. And I think you have to be really thrilled

7:43

with what we saw it as Zesi and Jetty

7:45

osmond Zitch averaged

7:48

twenty five points, twelve point five

7:50

rebound the three point five assists on

7:52

shooting in his two

7:54

games. Jetty was a little insufficient.

7:57

He averaged uh

8:00

and seven, eight rebounds and

8:02

four point five assists. God, that guy can

8:04

pass man alongside two point

8:06

five steals on just shooting.

8:09

Um, but he was also chucking from

8:12

three at at points, UM

8:15

clearly trying to expand that part of his game.

8:18

UM, I don't really think you could with

8:20

those guys. Yeah,

8:22

Jetty was really clear UM

8:25

that one he had tired legs after playing

8:28

internationally just shortly before Summer

8:30

League took place. Um. I don't think he had

8:32

a lot of time to recover there, but

8:35

it was so clear that he was too good

8:37

to be playing in summer League, And um,

8:41

I did like that they let him do a

8:43

few other things, like they let him bring up the ball,

8:45

they let him kind of play outside

8:48

of his comfort zone, and I think

8:50

that's positive. It was more what you saw

8:53

from him internationally. I don't think

8:55

his handles necessarily tight enough to do

8:57

that at the NBA at a consistent

8:59

level. But those are the type of

9:01

things he's going to need to do now because, um,

9:04

you don't have this defined role

9:07

alongside Lebron James like you used

9:09

to, So he's going to need to step up.

9:11

He's going to need to provide some supplemental playmaking

9:15

and um, hopefully he's going to be able

9:17

to do that along with love to

9:19

to kind of alleviate the burden

9:21

on Sexton next year. Yeah,

9:23

the thing with the Jetty that is

9:26

really interesting about his long term ceiling

9:29

is that, Yeah, he still can't dribble,

9:31

and like that's fine,

9:34

by the way, Like I love that we act like

9:37

guys add stuff to their game by

9:39

summer league. It's like, dude, the season ended

9:41

three weeks ago. Like

9:44

like they add stuff, They

9:46

add stuff in between. For the most Part I.

9:50

One thing I did find interesting though,

9:53

um, I was listening to podcasts with David Thorpe

9:55

and he was talking about the work that

9:57

he does with NBA players in the summer, and

10:00

he he said that in the first month

10:02

or two, that's like the first

10:04

month, month and a half, that's where you add something,

10:07

and then after that it's just working

10:09

on that one thing. Like you don't

10:11

continue to add stuff later on in the season

10:14

or in the off season, I should say, um,

10:16

because you want to work to

10:18

get whatever you added up to an NBA

10:20

skill, and then the next summer you work on something

10:23

else. Like it's not a constant

10:25

thing of working on rounding out

10:27

your game and trying to add things throughout the whole

10:29

summer. It's all right, I've worked on this,

10:32

let's continue going at it. Um.

10:35

So I think that is clear. I'm

10:37

talking about guys like Jenny Osmond who had

10:39

deep playoff runs who needed to recoup

10:41

a little bit. Well, like guys like Josh Hart,

10:43

they've had months you know. Well, Carter, you're

10:45

you're saying he might. You're

10:48

saying he didn't have a lot of growth since

10:51

mid June where the season ended. But

10:53

the last time we saw him play was like in April,

10:56

so he might he might have been working

10:58

on some stuff between

11:00

games. I'm not saying he hasn't grown.

11:02

I'm just saying, like, I just get a kick out of that when people

11:05

are like, oh, yeah, this, this, this and this is, like

11:07

has he really yet? Probably needs a little

11:09

time to let that set in. But what I was gonna

11:11

say before I went on that tangent

11:14

is that, like, what's interesting is Osmond

11:16

still can't dribble, right, but we

11:18

know he can pass. Yeah,

11:20

and I'm really excited

11:22

to see what those passing instincts

11:25

look like right now. I mean that the

11:27

the second game of Summer League was by far his

11:29

best um and

11:33

what made it look so good was he just had

11:35

some absolute dimes out of the pick and roll.

11:38

And uh, when once his

11:40

handle gets better where guys can't

11:42

pressure him and get up in his space and

11:45

he can't cope with that, I

11:47

really think he's gonna have. He has a lot of potential

11:50

as a secondary creator kind of maybe

11:52

like a Nick Patun kind of role. Uh,

11:54

where he's like a guy who can pass and move the ball

11:56

around a little primary pick and roll. That's

11:59

not what he does Carter and you have to

12:01

compare him to a white player. Do this okay?

12:03

Sorry? Um or

12:07

no, just kidding. Um. Yeah,

12:09

so we gotta get him on the h h. Yeah,

12:12

we gotta get him on some roids. But yeah,

12:14

I just thought he was really really good. I thought

12:16

he was trying to expand his game by taking

12:19

some pretty difficult threes off some pin downs.

12:21

Um that weren't going out at a super

12:24

high rate, but that's fine. UM.

12:27

Really really pleased with his You

12:30

know, when we see those articles

12:32

after Summer League, you know there's always

12:34

the was too good to be here,

12:37

uh category, And

12:39

you're not going to see Jetty on almost any of those lists

12:41

because he only played two games. But

12:43

I think if he had been around longer,

12:46

UM, we would be seeing that. Um.

12:50

I really did get a kick out of Zizit

12:52

in Summer League, because like

12:55

that's a guy that's been playing professionally for

12:57

a while. Um, and you forget

13:00

just how good he is offensively, Like his

13:02

footwork is good. Um, we

13:04

we don't know how he's going to be on the defensive end,

13:06

and UM, I would like to see

13:08

him get more burn. But when you're looking

13:11

at these guys, these undrafted

13:13

players are kind of fringe guys that

13:15

are in and out of the G League. He

13:18

just gets deep position and scores on them

13:20

like every single time. And the

13:22

only reason he was like missing shots was he

13:24

got so tired by taking so many

13:26

shots because he just hasn't taken

13:29

that many or or dealt with a

13:31

real workload. And like just by

13:33

the end of the game, he's gas. He's like, Okay,

13:35

I've got my twenty four points and my fifteen

13:38

rebounds here and my arms are going to fall

13:40

off. Yeah. Um I

13:43

I thought he was great. Um.

13:45

I really like that he has a little face up game

13:48

to him, uh where if you give

13:50

him a little room, he'll face up and just pop

13:52

a little, you know, eight footer and

13:55

he's got touch on that eight footer. Um.

13:58

I think that he looked enormous

14:00

compared to everyone he was playing

14:02

alongside. UM I thought

14:05

his post. I mean, I'm a

14:07

sucker for a guy who been scoring the post. I

14:10

have that little bit of old school in me. Um.

14:13

And I really do think he's got a nice touch around

14:15

the rim, and he is very confident and

14:19

yeah, and I think footwork is a thing that,

14:21

like we pretend it can be taught, but I actually

14:23

don't really think it can. I think it's I

14:25

think it's skill and feel

14:28

like you can get a little better, But

14:30

there's no way to drill yourself into being

14:32

like a um,

14:36

you know, a fluid post

14:38

player. You know you can. You can

14:40

add a drop step or a step through and that's

14:43

fine. But there are certain guys who just move

14:45

well down there and can manipulate

14:48

the guy who's on their on their back,

14:50

and Z's it's just one of them. So, um,

14:54

it's gonna be hard for him to find minutes in a crowded

14:56

front court. But I think he looked

14:58

about as good as you could have asked. I mean, six from

15:01

the field. That's that's so encouraging, especially

15:03

after you look like such a dogship last year Summer

15:05

League for the Celtics. Um, yeah,

15:07

he he really did. That's that's actually a good

15:09

point. And I don't know, he didn't look like an NBA

15:12

player at all. I don't know if that I can't really

15:14

recall because I wasn't really paying attention to him,

15:16

because I wasn't thinking, oh, well, that's going

15:18

to be one of the pieces we get back for Kyrie. UM.

15:21

But I don't know if he was playing internationally

15:24

prior to that, like shortly before that, because

15:26

that was the case with Jetty here. Um

15:28

and you saw how tired Jetty looked at

15:30

times. Um, but that that could

15:33

certainly there weren't qualifiers last year, I

15:35

know that, so it had to be in league play.

15:38

Um. Yeah, and I doubt he'd

15:40

be doing that once he was already on their contract with the

15:42

Celtics. So yeah, I think

15:44

he just wasn't ready, you know, And like this

15:46

year he definitely was. He he looked

15:48

part of a guy who battled with a you

15:51

know, a title contender, you know, a team that

15:53

made the finals and battling with teams

15:56

like that all year, you learned some stuff. Um

15:59

And I just definitely he looked the park and

16:02

um, I I think if you're

16:04

a Cash fan, you have to be really thrilled with how

16:06

the sophomores looked because uh,

16:09

you know, frankly they are. There's

16:12

not a ton to be excited about in this Cash team

16:14

this year. I mean, ultimately you got

16:16

three or four guys such a stick in the mud.

16:19

Everything, everything's exciting. This is

16:21

per thirty six man, that's a twenty and ten

16:23

player that shot seventy saying

16:26

is like, we need those like if

16:28

the if zsich and and

16:31

Jetty don't look good all of a sudden,

16:33

the prospects for guys who you really can look

16:35

forward to seeing grow and a rebuild, um

16:38

it gets then you got to start

16:41

really talking yourself into Billy Preston

16:43

and that's when you go down to a a dark corridor.

16:45

But yeah, so the fact that they look good is

16:47

like, is super encouraging um

16:50

for Cavs fans. And the young

16:52

ball he was actually pretty fun.

16:55

I'm glad you brought him up. I was gonna we're

16:58

gonna get to him and mediately.

17:00

But I just want to say, you were implying

17:03

that this team isn't going to be fun when they

17:05

brought Channing fryback. So come on,

17:07

man, oh my guy,

17:09

Channing. Oh, I was so happy to see

17:11

that. And and you know what, I

17:14

don't care if it doesn't really make sense because they

17:16

already have three centers on the roster. I

17:18

just like the guy, and as a

17:20

fan, that is my right to say.

17:23

I don't give a shit if it makes sense. I don't

17:25

care if tray ViOn Graham made more sense.

17:28

I like Channing Fry and I'm glad he's on the team.

17:30

And he's the kind of guy who

17:32

knows how to work, who knows how to be a veteran, can

17:35

teach a bunch of kids how to play the right

17:37

way. Um adds

17:39

extra spacing to help Sexton's development.

17:42

Um when he's out there is

17:45

one of the few guys who can actually play alongside

17:48

guys like Larry Nanson, Tristan Thompson, and let

17:50

those guys slide down to the four, which they

17:52

actually are gonna need to do, by the way, because

17:54

they only have one power forward on the roster.

17:57

Yea true. And

17:59

here's the other. It's actually a smart it's

18:01

a fine move. If the starters of

18:04

let's say the starters are Sexton,

18:06

hood Um, Jetty

18:09

Love and Larry Nats,

18:11

let's say they're just too damn good. You

18:13

can also just go with let's

18:16

let's just say they're too damn good. They're they're

18:18

just unstoppable. You can go with that

18:20

bench lineup of Jordan

18:23

Clarkson, George Hill or

18:25

j R. With Fry

18:27

at the three, Tristan and

18:30

zizzit and just let Clarkson

18:32

take shots with absolutely no spacing

18:35

so that you still get a high picks,

18:38

you might have to go. That's that's the way we want to be

18:40

thinking. Justin Yeah, I I just think

18:42

we're good. Job. I just think we're going to be too good.

18:44

But we should probably talk about Sexton because

18:48

I think it's a little hard to

18:50

not fall in love with him after summer

18:53

League, Like there are concerns to

18:55

his game. The jumper is going to take

18:57

some time. The decision making

18:59

was and always great, but at the same time,

19:01

it was summer league where everyone was

19:03

playing isolation basketball. Um,

19:06

but especially just given the situation

19:09

the calves are in having a player

19:11

that that tries, that's exciting,

19:13

that's lightning fast, and

19:17

does whatever the hell that defensive

19:19

stances. Um,

19:22

that's that that that gives you a little bit

19:24

of warmth in your heart. My

19:26

only regret is that Channing Fry wasn't

19:28

with the team at that point to clown him

19:31

for that, because you know, he

19:33

won. If r J and

19:35

Janning had been on the team as he did that,

19:37

like on the bench, they would have been howling on

19:39

the bench. I would have been

19:42

mimicking him on the sideline.

19:44

Oh yeah, that would have been hilarious. Um.

19:47

You know the thing that's x in Um,

19:49

I think we should definitely go through the pros first.

19:52

Um, fast as hell, Jesus

19:54

Christ. Um has a

19:56

little more vertical burst than

19:58

I thought he did, Like, can definitely get

20:00

up there to finish Drew Fauls at a

20:02

really good rate. Um. By the

20:04

way, that's really important, Like it's important

20:07

that he looked fast and athletic

20:09

against summer league competition because

20:12

if that didn't translate at this stage,

20:14

there's it's even less likely it's going to translate

20:16

in the NBA. And and for his

20:19

height, it's really important that he

20:21

looks like a freak athlete and plays

20:23

like one because um, that that's

20:25

going to be really really important to his game. Yeah.

20:29

Um, I remember my

20:32

best friend always described and this was

20:34

like in summer league that my friend

20:36

came up with us for Dion Waiters. And

20:38

it's like, even when he did good plays, it

20:41

was like I've never seen someone who looks like

20:43

they're working that's so hard, Like

20:47

like he was just expecting expending

20:49

every ounce of possible energy to get a look

20:51

off. And like I don't

20:53

think I think Sexton gets up speed

20:55

effortlessly, gets by guys effortlessly,

20:58

has enough craft in his game. Um, there

21:00

are a couple of times where big

21:02

Is got switched on to him and it looked

21:04

like he was a little lost when he was like, I

21:06

don't know, like eighteen feet away from the bad basket

21:09

and the big had sunk, you know,

21:11

fourteen feet away because they weren't respecting

21:13

his jumper, And instead of settling for

21:15

those jumpers, he did a nice job of

21:17

using his craft to get get

21:20

by them without over penetrating, um

21:23

and still find good angles to finish.

21:25

So I thought that was definitely really encouraging. UM.

21:29

With regard to the passing, you

21:31

know, it's interesting he didn't have a lot of

21:33

assists. Um. I don't

21:35

think anyone's going to confuse him for Steve Nash anytime

21:38

soon. Um, But

21:40

you know what, he has enough.

21:43

And I'll say that

21:45

his his visions better than I thought

21:47

it was coming into this. Would

21:49

you agree with that? I would agree with that. Like

21:51

he made a lot of good reads. Um,

21:54

I I as I said, they were just playing so

21:56

much isolation basketball. I don't think he can read

21:58

into his assist per game or the assist percentage.

22:01

Um. He I don't, Yeah,

22:03

I don't. I don't think he has like next

22:05

level vision. But I think there was

22:07

a willingness to give up the ball and

22:10

and I think that's the really important thing,

22:12

because you don't need necessarily need to be the

22:14

greatest creator for other players. Um,

22:17

but if you're willing to give up the ball and you have supplemental

22:19

playmaking around you, you can overcome

22:22

that as a team. Like the

22:24

way that the NBA is going is having multiple

22:27

creators, and I

22:30

think Sexton is someone that can thrive in those situations.

22:32

And to me, it's funny that you bring up Dion.

22:35

And part of the reason why I think Sexton

22:37

is really going to be embraced by this fan base is

22:40

he seems to be the fantasy version

22:42

of Dion that people had in their heads, like

22:45

what Dion was on good days. Like

22:47

I don't think he's going to have the most consistent three

22:49

point shot, but he's going to have stretches

22:51

where he's hitting it a lot. Um.

22:54

I think he's going to actually compete hard on defense.

22:57

Um. I think he's

22:59

not going to come into the league being a great defender right

23:01

off the bat, because no guards are. But

23:05

he reminds me so much of good

23:07

Dion, and I just think that

23:10

he has a better chance of panning

23:12

out than Dion did because he's not

23:14

showing up at summer League fat as hell. Yeah,

23:18

I think one of my favorite I think it was a

23:20

Matt More line. Yeah. I might be wrong,

23:23

but one of my favorite Matt More lines ever was

23:26

that every Russell Westbrook dunk

23:28

comes with an implied fuck you. And

23:33

I think that was mad. I hope it was. Um,

23:36

But I think Sexton's got a little bit of that to his

23:38

game, and I think that's just something any fan base is going

23:40

to fall in love with. Um. Yeah,

23:43

it's kind of ironic that as Lebron

23:45

leaves, we get a point guard that's kind of like

23:47

the combination of Westbrook

23:49

and Draymond, just

23:52

maybe like a little less foul on

23:55

the Draymond. Yes, yes, um

23:58

uh you know what I was actually just thinking about

24:00

recently. Um, And

24:02

it kind of speaks to a spoiled Cabs fans

24:04

have been in this one particular

24:07

facet. It's gonna

24:09

be weird having the team's

24:12

best scorer, I mean, and I

24:14

guess lead ball handler, because I

24:16

Love is going to be the best player in the team still obviously,

24:19

but assuming the movement,

24:21

it's gonna be weird to have their like core

24:23

guy have really inefficient

24:26

nights from the field, because

24:29

because Lebron is never inefficient, at

24:32

least the modern version of Lebron. Um.

24:35

And then Kyrie, you know, for

24:37

all of his awards as a young player, um

24:40

getting buckets efficiently and

24:43

posting you know, good true shooting percentages,

24:45

and um, yeah,

24:47

there was never one of them. There was the narrative

24:50

that Kyrie was inefficient when

24:52

you first came into the league. There was just no evidence

24:54

to support it. And like, if you look

24:56

at his workie season, I just pulled it up here, Um,

24:59

a teen and a half points per game shot

25:02

from the field and from three,

25:05

Like, holy sh it, Like

25:07

we ain't getting that with Colin Sexton. And

25:09

and I think we're gonna have to adjust our

25:11

expectations to like get used to that,

25:15

to that like, oh yeah, most players

25:17

don't do this, even really good

25:19

ones. Um. And I

25:21

just thought that's an interesting idea. We just haven't

25:23

had to deal with that. And one of

25:25

the interesting things that was actually brought up

25:27

on the broadcast was how

25:30

many one and done point guards

25:32

outside of Kyrie have actually

25:34

shot well from three lower

25:36

like shot well period in their first

25:38

year like, it's just not something that

25:41

you see like you might see it with with

25:43

an older point guard like Damian Lillard was older

25:45

when he came into the league. But for the most part,

25:47

like one and done point guards, these young guys,

25:50

uh, it takes them a while. And I

25:53

think something that's going to work to Sexton's

25:55

advantages. He seems to have a knack for getting

25:57

it to the free throw line. Like he that's

26:00

going to really help his efficiency. It really

26:02

needs that. That can't not be a part of

26:04

his game because of his high limitations in his shooting

26:07

limitation. It's it's right up there with the athleticism,

26:09

right. He needs to be faster than everyone, and

26:11

he needs to know how to get to the line, and he seems

26:14

to know how to put the ball in places

26:16

and drag it through guys. And

26:19

again, that's gonna be something we're going to need

26:21

to get used to seeing if it does in fact

26:23

hold up, because um,

26:25

we were very used to Kyree not getting calls.

26:28

We're used to Lebron not getting calls, and

26:31

to watch a hardened

26:33

sque game where Sexon is getting

26:35

a lot to the line a bunch. I

26:38

think that's gonna be a little bit of an adjustment. Yeah,

26:41

I agree, Um yeah,

26:43

it's just gonna be an interesting thing. And to

26:45

your point about the shooting percentages, I think

26:47

if the Calves don't blow it up, there

26:50

are a few point guards with

26:52

Sexon's limitations that have been in a better

26:54

situation to be efficient than this

26:56

team in its current

26:58

construction. With you

27:01

have great vertical spacers, uh

27:03

like Larry Nance, and then you have a bunch

27:06

of shooting I mean Jr. Corver love

27:10

fry Hood

27:12

if he comes back like this is quite a bit

27:14

of help and quite a bit of spacers for

27:17

you know, I feel like rookies are normally on these like kind of

27:19

mismatched teams, you know,

27:21

high end rookie point cards. They are on these mismatched

27:24

teams that aren't really suited to them. And you

27:26

know, it's like maybe one or two

27:28

good pick and roll partners. Guys are gonna have

27:30

a lot of options for Sexton here if

27:32

they keep their roster together, and I

27:34

think that's going to really help his development because he won't

27:36

have to play in such outrageously confined

27:39

space. Do you think the

27:41

Calves bringing in fry

27:44

and kind of the reports that they're

27:46

They're willing to listen to offers for Love, but

27:48

they aren't shopping him. Do you think that they're

27:50

actually going to make a conscious effort to keep Kevin

27:53

Love. I know the Beat writers have kind of expressed

27:55

skepticism, but I

27:57

don't see Channing fry

28:00

minding here if Kevin

28:02

Love, like if it's the organized ization is saying

28:04

we're going to trade Love at the deadline, or if we're

28:06

going to trade him, like I feel like

28:09

he would go chase a ring or

28:11

or stay in l a um

28:13

because the Lakers aren't going after

28:16

rings because one is not the other. UM

28:18

have to differentiate between the two. Um.

28:21

But I just feel like they're it's

28:23

the strongest signal yet that they're

28:25

actually going to try to convince Love, who's

28:27

a bit of a weirdo. And I don't think we're

28:29

ever going to be able to figure out exactly what

28:32

that guy wants or values. Maybe

28:34

they want to keep them.

28:36

Yeah, um, I think that they

28:40

want to keep him, but I don't think that's

28:42

the same as they're

28:44

going to like, I

28:47

think we have to be ready for them to have a change

28:49

of heart depending on how the first unin

28:51

of the season goes and depending on what kind

28:53

of offers they get. I think the kind of offers

28:55

they're getting, uh, and that

28:57

they'll get in this trade market will

29:00

determine Kevin loves are

29:03

like make it more likely for Love to stay than

29:05

any commitment to them, to him or

29:08

to avoiding a tank

29:10

like I don't think. I think the reason that keep Kevin Love

29:12

is I think they're gonna get a bunch of dogshit trade offers

29:14

that aren't worth it to them.

29:17

Oh Um, midway

29:20

through this podcast, we've got some breaking news

29:22

Corner League sources the Sixers have had

29:25

discussions about trading Jared Bayliss to the

29:27

Cleveland Cavaliers for Kyle Korver. Well,

29:30

um, I don't want to do that. Um,

29:33

I would be assuming that the

29:35

the Sixers are including assets

29:37

in that. So I mean, if they give us like a first

29:39

or something, I guess, uh,

29:42

you know, I guess

29:44

we should jump into this because now it's just as good

29:46

of a time as any Because I was getting

29:48

ready to talk later in the pod about

29:51

how I think the Calves roster is really

29:53

imbalanced right now. They have,

29:56

uh, they have three point guards that

29:58

all will expect minutes. George hillcom

30:00

Sexton and Jordan Clarkson. They

30:03

have three centers that will

30:05

all expect minutes in Larry Nance,

30:07

or maybe not expect but should be getting minutes

30:10

in the case of Antony zesus So Nance Zes

30:13

and Tristan Thompson. They have one

30:15

power forward on the roster and Kevin Love.

30:18

They have one small forward in the roster

30:20

in uh In Jenny

30:23

Osmond. They have two shooting guards

30:26

assuming Rodney Hood isn't back in Kyle Corver.

30:28

So if they traded Kyle Corver

30:30

for a point guard in Jared Bayless, this

30:33

roster is not gonna make any sense. And then

30:35

maybe they'll just buy out Bayliss who who's who

30:37

knows, But like they need

30:40

some wings, and they need some forwards,

30:42

and they need to like clue, they need to consolidate

30:46

a few key positions. And that actually

30:48

makes it harder. Now, if

30:50

you're just trying, if you're just trying to

30:53

uh, if you're just trying to get better, right,

30:57

are just trying to get assets in the future,

31:00

Yeah, you just I mean, you don't not do

31:02

it. Corver Bayliss deal if they get like

31:04

a first out of it or something, If you can get the first

31:08

from Philly that's great. I mean I would

31:10

be stunned if you got a first that good. I think would have

31:12

to be a protected first. But regardless

31:14

of you get a first out of Kyle Corver, you do

31:16

it. Um. But all

31:19

of a sudden, tyrone loose job is looking a lot

31:21

harder. Yeah, it really

31:23

does. And you would have to wonder,

31:25

Okay, is George Hill the next Dominoto Faull

31:27

Because I think they're they're in a unique

31:30

position with these non guaranteed contracts

31:32

that Corver, Hill and j R. Have that

31:35

teams that are looking to create space are

31:37

going to trade for them and and like

31:39

that deal obviously makes a ton of sense for Philadelphia.

31:43

Um, they they've lost some guys

31:45

in this summer and probably

31:47

if they stand pat they're they're going

31:49

to take a step back. I know that

31:52

they're just going to get a year older, but

31:54

a lot of the players that were there for that

31:57

successful second half run than they had aren't

32:00

air. So someone like Kyle Korver is

32:02

great for them. And then they also have the

32:04

option um to not

32:07

pick up his non guaranteed

32:09

money next year if they want to be a player

32:11

in free agency. So I think that makes a ton of sense

32:13

for them, and I would imagine

32:16

that the Calves would be trying to get an additional

32:18

asset along with them. Yeah,

32:21

I mean, there's this would

32:23

be a weird one because Bayliss is

32:25

expiring next year. I thought he had one more year

32:27

after next year. So

32:31

yeah, basis, so they're not helping

32:33

Philly get off much money. Oh God,

32:35

you're right, that

32:37

is weird. So I don't really

32:39

know. I get I Philly would do this just because

32:41

they want another shooter, But

32:44

I don't get why they give up a good enough asset

32:46

for the Calves to dump Kyle Corver because Bayless

32:48

isn't going to help this Cavs team. Hey, look

32:51

at that um on Twitter. Um,

32:53

because this is our favorite segment. Justin reads

32:56

things off Twitter. Chase Ruddig, who

32:58

is totally normally a piece a shift

33:00

to me and my mentions, Um says

33:02

the real answer, the motivation behind

33:04

this trade is so that the Cavs can continue

33:06

to funk with the Raptors in the playoffs by trading

33:09

Corver. There, it's

33:12

a good point. Um.

33:16

Yeah, God, now that you mentioned that Bayliss

33:18

isn't expiring, that that becomes

33:20

even more baffling. Yeah, I just don't

33:23

think that this is going to happen ultimately,

33:25

And because there's no reason Philly

33:27

should give up a first just to upgrade

33:29

from Bayliss to Corver, right, And

33:33

there's no reason the Calves would take on Bayliss

33:36

for Corver for a second at

33:38

least, I wouldn't. I'd rather just have Corver

33:40

around the kids and keep and

33:43

have him continue to be an influence. M

33:46

hum, yeah, because clearly he's

33:48

already transformed Jetty's shot. Because

33:51

yeah, it's it's an interesting This

33:54

feels like nothing to me. Um, maybe

33:56

maybe I'm crazy. The interesting

33:58

thing to me, be surprised. The interesting thing

34:00

to me is that the

34:03

reporter there, Keith Pompey,

34:05

who is a Sixers reporter, he had

34:07

said that the three team deal, uh

34:10

that said, Mellow to Atlanta is going

34:12

to be held up for a couple of days because the

34:14

Sixers have been in discussions

34:16

to get another deal done. And

34:18

then this is the second part of that

34:20

now is that, um, this

34:23

is the deal that the Sixers have been trying to pull

34:25

off. Um. So the fact that

34:27

it has dragged on and is holding

34:29

up a trade and they anticipated to continue

34:31

to do so makes me think that there's

34:34

something part of this UM

34:36

that is more complicated that

34:39

we don't know that there there's some sort of asset

34:41

coming back one way or another here um

34:44

that hasn't been disclosed yet because

34:47

that that transaction on its own,

34:49

if that's all it is, or if there's just a second

34:51

involved, that's a simple Hey,

34:54

do you want to swap your bailiff for Kyle Korver?

34:56

Yes? No, maybe like that.

34:58

That's that's not a mall the day discussion

35:01

here. Yeah,

35:04

it's weird. Um, It's

35:06

just it's just a weird uh spot.

35:09

I mean, I guess if they if they get

35:12

up any first round pick um

35:15

to add two and get the Cabs

35:17

and expiring contract back, that's

35:20

easy money. I think you have to do it. Um.

35:22

I mean obviously miss Kyle Corver, but I I would be happy

35:24

to see him go to a really good team. UM,

35:27

and they need him. They need guys like him who

35:29

can shoot, and Corver was the one guy

35:31

I expected to be gone before the start of the season.

35:34

Like then, Also, Corver is kind of fun going

35:36

back to Philly. Didn't he start his career there? Yeah?

35:39

He did. I know he played with Allen

35:41

Iverson, which is outrageous. That

35:44

is so absurd. Um.

35:47

Yeah, to see what

35:49

happened. I just I just

35:52

want to see what the hell they do with this roster, you

35:54

know what I mean? Like it feels like

35:56

Tristan Thompson shouldn't be on this team if

35:58

they can make it happen. Do you agree with that?

36:00

I do agree with that. I mean it makes me sad,

36:02

but um, of course. But

36:05

I mean Larry Nance, I'm assuming there's

36:07

going to be an extension with him prior to the

36:09

season starting. Um, just because you

36:11

look at the way the cap is going to

36:14

go up in the next couple of years, and

36:17

the best thing you can do is extend

36:19

guys if you have any intention of keeping

36:21

them. So I think Nance qualifies for that.

36:24

Um. You'll be interesting to see what happens with Rodney

36:26

Hood here UM and Zizzitch

36:28

as we mentioned, like we

36:31

don't know what he can be, like how

36:33

serviceable he can be defensively, but

36:36

with the skill set he has offensively,

36:39

you're always going to have a role as

36:42

a big off the bench, Like look look at Greg

36:44

Monroe, UM that or

36:47

some of the other examples around the

36:49

league where you have more traditional

36:51

centers coming in off the bench providing offense

36:54

because typically those second units do

36:56

have trouble scoring, and you

36:59

you can d to eat against the other team's

37:01

second units if you're a legitimate

37:04

seven footer that has size

37:06

and has skills. So um yeah,

37:08

and more than like that, you just have to

37:10

figure out what what you have. That

37:13

also helps, especially when you're going through a

37:15

rebuilt. And like I

37:17

forget who said it, maybe is David Zavac, which

37:20

must broke in his heart. Uh. Someone

37:22

said that Tristan Thompson

37:25

will not be a part of the next Good Cavaliers

37:27

team. Mm hmmm, probably

37:31

won't. There were probably four years out, and it

37:33

just doesn't seem likely that that's how it's gonna play out.

37:36

Like, I mean, be cool if he was a lifetime Cavalier,

37:38

but yeah, it just doesn't

37:40

feel like that's going to be the case. Yeah, it just it

37:42

just doesn't seem realistic. Um

37:44

So, so opening up room there, And so

37:46

I think if I'm the chaz and I'm looking to

37:49

get off players, the

37:51

two players I'm looking to get off our Tristan and

37:53

Jordan Clarkson. And boy am

37:55

I not giving Kobe Altman an easy job?

37:58

No, you certainly are not um.

38:01

Yeah, Juston is another guy I'd like to see

38:03

go to a good situation, Like I think there are actually

38:05

teams that could use him, um,

38:07

But with the term he has left on

38:09

his contract and it all being guaranteed, that's

38:12

not necessarily easy. Clarkson

38:14

probably isn't the easiest cell either,

38:16

but I still think that there might

38:19

be teams that are are willing to take that on.

38:21

Um. It would be interesting to see

38:24

if that Clarkson is someone that you can

38:26

include in a deal with another player,

38:29

um, maybe to send somewhere like

38:31

Charlotte, or to to any

38:33

team really that needs that off the bench offense,

38:36

because I don't think he's as bad as he

38:38

was towards the end of the year. Like we

38:40

we have a fairly decent sample

38:42

size of him being a competent rotation

38:44

player. He has his flaws and he's

38:47

probably not worth the money he gets, but

38:50

he can play like he's not a complete scrub.

38:53

Yeah. I just don't think anyone's gonna want him after the

38:55

playoffs, Like it's just a bad time and

38:57

and more than anything, man, it's like I

39:00

don't see a world

39:02

in which he aids

39:05

or can play with Colin Sexton

39:07

in any context that

39:09

is fair, that is absolutely can happen.

39:12

And if you can't play with Colin Sexton,

39:15

I don't fucking need you think. I

39:17

don't want you on my floor. I don't want you on my

39:19

roster because everything

39:21

matters that. He's the only thing that really matters

39:23

long term right now for the Calves, him and Jetty,

39:26

and maybe he's easy depending on what we see.

39:28

What would be funny is if

39:30

that was the part of this Corver

39:33

deal that we didn't know was that, Um,

39:35

Kobe Altman has been trying to

39:38

foist Jered Jordan

39:40

Clarkson on to the Sixers.

39:43

Rain down on me. Kobe

39:45

Almand would be so

39:48

thrilled if somehow they they

39:51

got a guy worse than t J McConnell to

39:53

take t J McConnell's rotation spot. Isn't

39:55

it kind of ironic that Cavs fans are now

39:58

rooting for Kobe and Lakers fans are still ing

40:00

for Kobe? That awful?

40:05

Uh? Yeah, I don't know, man, It's gonna

40:07

be really interesting to see what they do here. Um.

40:10

I I felt like the Bucks were

40:12

the place that Corver was gonna end up.

40:14

I did too, Um,

40:17

maybe that's just not gonna happen. Um feels

40:19

like he's a perfect compliment to a guy like

40:21

Joannice Um. Well, while

40:23

we're talking trade talk, I

40:26

I do agree that the reason

40:28

you don't hear any Love buzz right now is probably

40:30

that they're getting shipped offers. UM.

40:33

It is interesting to me now with Toronto

40:35

basically going all in with Kawai Leonard

40:38

Um, Bruce Arthur and Eric Krene did mention

40:41

Kevin Love as one of the players that they might

40:43

look at. Um, Toronto

40:45

basically kept all of their best assets.

40:49

And if you are willing

40:51

to take on that Abaka contract

40:53

for one of Toronto's better young players, so

40:55

Pascal siakam or O g n Nubi

40:58

Um, that that gets

41:00

interesting. Like, I don't know how you would

41:02

feel about that, because

41:04

Abaka would at least theoretically give

41:07

you some spacing and and kind

41:09

of some guy they still keep

41:11

around, Uh Colin Sexton,

41:13

because I don't think you ever want to put him in a position

41:16

like Kyrie was in his first two

41:18

and a half years here where there just was no shooters

41:21

at all. I think you want to maintain some

41:23

spacing. But I think something

41:25

like that could be interesting and could

41:27

be compelling to the cows um

41:30

to a point where they just say, well, we

41:32

want to keep them, but this offer is just

41:34

too good. Uh Am.

41:36

I crazy to think that the Raptors wouldn't

41:39

are so high on o g that they wouldn't

41:41

want to include him. I think

41:44

you are not crazy for that. I think

41:46

Sackem would be more likely and

41:48

to be honest for the cow's purposes.

41:51

I kind of like Siackem a little

41:53

bit better because he's a big that

41:56

he has some shooting ability from

41:58

the mid range. He can defend five

42:00

positions, he rebounds, he runs

42:02

the floor, he can dribble. Um.

42:04

And when you look at these upcoming drafts,

42:07

they're so heavy on wings that

42:10

I think you understand

42:12

that if you're training Love, you're not going to be good. All of a

42:14

sudden, you're gonna be drafting higher. If

42:16

you can get a dynamic big like that,

42:19

you can get the next wing you want in

42:22

a draft and pair him alongside

42:24

Jeddi Osman. Yeah.

42:27

Um. What would be interesting is like what kind

42:29

of line ups would the Raptors run up you had Kevin

42:32

Love out there all of a sudden, um

42:35

Like, because like they kind of all, Like, I just

42:37

wonder if that's the guy they chase, you know, because

42:39

like all of a sudden, they have this unbelievably

42:41

switchy, defensively

42:44

rooted line up with maybe

42:46

not quite enough shooting, but enough,

42:49

you know. I think Love pushes them towards

42:51

being an offensive juggernaut as opposed to a

42:53

defensive juggernaut. But I mean,

42:55

there's no way he wouldn't help in a major

42:57

way. Maybe you'd have to

43:00

fine, maybe there's

43:02

maybe there's a way you can get into NOBI if you

43:05

somehow like eat

43:08

Norman Powell's contract, I think you'd

43:10

have something. I think it would have to be some

43:12

sort of nightmare deal where you're taking

43:14

on both the Baca's contract and Norman

43:16

Pale's contract. Yeah, but

43:19

honestly, I don't know, man. And even then, even

43:21

then, I just I don't think O G gets

43:23

included in less. The only situation

43:25

I can see them trading O G is if

43:27

it was a deal. Um. And

43:29

this was another thing they mentioned on the Back to Back podcast

43:32

was h if they go after someone with

43:34

like three years left on his contract, like Damian

43:37

Lillard, where they're pairing O G with

43:39

Kyle Lowry and and other things,

43:41

to picks other young players, to

43:43

try to pride Dame away, to

43:46

make it more compelling for Kawaii. Stay.

43:48

Um, but I mean we're

43:50

just getting so far down the rabbit hole that I

43:52

I just don't know what deals are out there. And I

43:55

think that was your initial point with Love. Yeah.

43:58

I just don't think anyone wants him, uh,

44:00

which is sad. Yeah

44:03

I do. I'm happy to keep

44:05

him around. Uh. Yeah,

44:07

I don't. I don't see the market. I think his

44:09

value is low for multiple reasons. One

44:11

the Cavaliers trying to blow it up to he

44:14

can opt out of his deal at the end of the year. Three.

44:16

He's a slow footed um

44:19

kind of throwback player. Um,

44:21

you know, like that's increasingly obsessed

44:24

with switching on defense. Um.

44:27

There's a lot of reasons why his market isn't

44:29

as good as as his market

44:31

doesn't reflect his value as a player. And

44:34

that's why I'm still on board with extending him,

44:36

because I don't think there's a number that

44:39

you could extend him at UM

44:42

that would make him a negative asset. Maybe

44:45

I'm wrong, but unless and I don't

44:47

think he'll cost a full Supermax you know,

44:50

um to do so

44:52

so I think if you get if you can extend

44:55

him, even at an overpay, I don't think he's

44:57

a negative asset um.

44:59

I don't we're going to hit a Blake Griffin situation

45:01

where he's an albatross

45:04

um despite being good so

45:08

and I just liked the idea of him helping

45:10

Colin Sexton develop and having

45:13

a team that isn't completely bereft

45:15

of talent. I just I

45:17

don't see a lot of appeal on a total

45:19

tear it down rebuild, especially when

45:22

lottery odds are flattened quite a

45:24

bit. You are much more incentivized

45:26

to finish fifth, six or seventh in

45:29

the lottery or in the lottery order

45:31

then you have in years past. And

45:34

I don't think he's so good that the

45:36

calves won't be in that space anyway. That's

45:38

that's my thing, And I'm not going to assume

45:41

that our podcast listeners read

45:43

what I write. But I wrote

45:45

a Fear of the Sword that what I

45:48

would do if I

45:50

could, If you could convince

45:52

Kevin Love to sign an extension and

45:55

pitch to him, Okay, it's going to

45:57

be kind of a one year lull

45:59

here. We're going to keep your minutes down

46:01

we'll keep it at like twenty eight minutes a game. Um,

46:04

we'll play you primarily with Sexton

46:06

and our young promising players, so you're

46:08

not going to be asked to shoulder and he just

46:11

completely garbage lineups, and

46:14

if you get banged up at all, we're gonna sit

46:16

you. We're going young. And then

46:18

next year, next summer, after we

46:21

we drafted another player high in the lottery,

46:23

hopefully, UM, we'll

46:25

start adding players in free agency

46:28

that fit that makes sense around this team.

46:30

And then you trade off Hill, you trade off

46:32

Jr. You trade off Corver, like those

46:35

those non guaranteed contracts that would have

46:37

some value. And I think if you

46:39

go young, you limit loves minutes. He misses

46:42

the twenty games this season he normally misses.

46:44

Um, I think you're probably going to finish

46:47

pretty bad. I think you can be like Memphis

46:49

last year. Yeah,

46:52

I agree, Uh and uh

46:55

yeah. Ultimately, I think that's the best

46:57

plan forward unless someone knocks you out

46:59

of the park, um, because they're

47:01

probably because you're not getting value

47:03

for love. So I'd rather him

47:06

add value within the locker room

47:09

and with their young guys. Um.

47:12

And you know, hopefully someone falls

47:15

in love or thinks he's the missing piece at the deadline,

47:17

but I'm certainly not trading until the deadline

47:19

and something unless someone really floors, may I

47:22

agree, Well, well,

47:24

we'll see what happens. I'd

47:26

like some trades because as he as

47:28

he said that the rosters it's currently constructed

47:30

just doesn't make a lot of sense. Um,

47:32

there's just log jams. It's

47:35

weird to have log gems when you're not a great

47:37

team like that. That shouldn't

47:39

be the case. And they just have so

47:41

many specialists and guys that I truly

47:43

believe can actually help teams in other situations

47:46

if they're not asked to do too much, like I think

47:48

George Hill can still be a valuable player. Be

47:51

interesting to see if a team like Phoenix that UM

47:54

seems to want to go all in, but it

47:56

still doesn't have a point guard outside of Brandon

47:59

Night, maybe they have interest in him. Um

48:02

I think j R. Might

48:04

have. Well, if he's going to

48:06

have some value, it's going to be to

48:09

a team that's trying to make the playoffs

48:11

and wants to clear space for

48:14

the following summer, which I think there's a

48:16

significant number of teams that can do that. And then

48:19

Kyle Korver. I I think just straight

48:21

up has value both as a player and is a non

48:23

guaranteed contract, so we'll see what happens.

48:26

Um When something does happen, will

48:29

will likely pot about it. I

48:32

will be away for a few weeks. I'm

48:34

off getting married next weekend and

48:37

taking the following week off. So so

48:41

I'm going to rely on you to kind of hold down

48:43

the ford, Carter, and to find interesting

48:45

guests and to not

48:48

sunk this up. So please don't suck up

48:50

that. Please don't sunk

48:52

this up. It will just be more let's call it. Let's

48:54

call a spade a spade. Yeah. Well, the

48:57

the exodus of listeners with

48:59

labre On being gone, I can now blame on you

49:01

because we've still been doing strong. So

49:04

the inevitable drop off is going to be blamed

49:06

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