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you today is my co host, Carter Ardriguez.

1:21

Carter as nobuddy doing well.

1:23

Uh you know, I just gotta just got back from a

1:25

brin with are calling me

1:31

the stroller and um that's

1:33

gotta say. I probably taxed Kylie

1:35

with the pace I was at to

1:37

get back in time. So yeah, that one's on

1:40

me. Um. I missjudged the time

1:42

here, but we made it. We're relatively

1:44

on time, and and for the Chasetown podcast

1:47

we call that on time. That's pretty good. I

1:49

mean I can relate to Guilie. I I know how

1:51

it feels to be taxed by you. But joining

1:53

us today, we are very excited to welcome back

1:55

front of the podcast Kelsey Ruth So from

1:58

the Athletic. How you doing today, Kelsey? I'm

2:00

good. How are you guys? Great?

2:03

It's nice. It's nice. You know, it

2:05

feels like just yesterday

2:07

that you're you became a friend of the pod when

2:10

you when you when you joined us

2:12

the first time, very shortly after the week. I feel

2:14

we can just jump into it justin because I

2:16

was we were sitting talking about what we want to talk about

2:18

today, and I was like, you know, the last time you joined

2:21

us, I think you were like six days into your

2:23

tenure with the team, and

2:25

now you've got a season on your belt. What's what's

2:28

kind of the thing that you've learned

2:30

or that surprised you what's been your biggest takeaway after

2:32

when year covering this team? Yeah, Um,

2:35

I think the biggest takeaway is like

2:38

to never expect anything because

2:40

so much happened this year, and

2:43

like that's not a bad thing, just it's like to never

2:45

like there's so much unexpected things that can happen,

2:47

and like things changed so

2:49

fast. So just kind of being able to adjust

2:52

on the fly and being able to just kind

2:54

of roll with whatever happens um

2:57

has It was definitely the biggest takeaway because there was multiple

2:59

time where I was like, I don't know

3:01

what's happening, Like my head spinning, there's

3:04

so many things going on. Um,

3:06

But like just being able to roll with it and just

3:08

kind of work through it, I think was the biggest

3:10

thing that I've figured out of Like that's just

3:13

kind of how these beats work, and you just got to well

3:16

some beats. It

3:20

was funny because I was catching up just

3:22

as a refresher, I listened to bits

3:24

of the podcast and we basically said, well,

3:27

you know, the Cavs historically at

3:29

least are always interesting. They might not always

3:31

be good, but they are interesting, and

3:33

that is certainly the case. That

3:35

was definitely the case this past season and

3:38

um, I one thing I want

3:40

to get into when it comes to the Calves is

3:43

we we've heard recently that they are

3:45

pushing UM one

3:47

of the teams pushing for kind of a delete

3:49

a bubble. Have you got any

3:52

sense from the team kind of what they

3:54

are hoping to get out of that experience

3:56

if they do in fact play some games

3:58

before next season. Yeah.

4:01

I feel like the biggest thing for

4:03

them is like just being able to work with

4:05

the young guys, because like, especially

4:07

with like how much happened this year, it sort

4:10

of took away from the developmental

4:12

factor for guys like Darius

4:14

and Colin and Kevin Porter,

4:16

and so like being able to get

4:18

back in the gym with them in the sense of that like they

4:20

can run scrimmages, or they can run drills

4:22

with multiple guys, they can play games,

4:25

you know, against other teams in this kind of

4:27

second bubble is the best

4:29

thing for the youth UM, And I think

4:32

that's kind of where their mindset is out of like they

4:34

that's where they need to see the biggest growth,

4:36

and I think they're aware of, like going

4:39

into next season, that's their main focuses

4:41

of working with the young guys so being

4:43

able to be back in that scenario, even

4:45

if it's for a short time, kind of gives that opportunity

4:49

to get back in the gym a little bit with them, work

4:51

with them, work on some different little things they're

4:53

focusing on, like individually,

4:56

and then kind of collectively, and

4:58

then you know, just kind of progressing

5:00

because like going eight months, I mean

5:03

for any of them obviously is going to be really hard,

5:05

but especially I feel like for like Darius

5:07

and Kevin Porter Jr. And like even Colin

5:10

and Dylan Windler, like to extent

5:13

of just like you're so young in the league,

5:15

like you kind of need as much time as you

5:17

possibly can. Yeah, I remember,

5:20

Well, I'm stupid. So when I first

5:22

heard about the Lead eight bubble

5:24

proposal, my first instinct was

5:26

like most stupid peoples, which

5:29

was to know, why the hell do they

5:31

need a bubble for these teams? That sucked,

5:33

And it really doesn't take long till you get to the idea

5:36

that you know, playing time for

5:38

these young teams is the number one path

5:40

to development, and uh, you

5:42

know, I justin uh kpj

5:45

uh got aroused

5:47

our attention, among other things,

5:49

with a post on Instagram recently a little

5:51

mixtape and uh like, I feel

5:54

like, uh yeah, And you tweeted

5:56

something along the lines of, like we're feeling

5:58

like robbed of the fact that we and get late

6:00

season KPJ. And I think that's really

6:02

the biggest thing. Just eight months is just too long, Yeah,

6:06

especially from a player development standpoint,

6:08

Like, and it causes me

6:11

to go crazy and get excited about

6:13

open gym videos. And I'm like, as

6:15

much as I will allow myself to get excited

6:17

about that stuff, I also recognize

6:20

that I'm a crazy person when I get overly

6:22

excited about that. One thing I've

6:25

kind of thought about when thinking

6:27

about either let's say, delete

6:29

a bubble or if they're able to have a

6:31

mini camp, because I think those are kind of

6:33

the two things those teams that are outside

6:35

of the bubble have pushed for. One

6:38

of them has been that it would

6:40

give the Calves an opportunity to look at

6:42

the young players, um

6:44

how they progress after what is

6:46

effectively an off season before they

6:48

even draft. Has that been something

6:50

that you you've heard it all from the organization

6:52

where it might have like, let's

6:55

say, after all this time off Garland

6:58

for junior Sexton all kind of

7:00

have their own levels of growth. Do do you think that

7:03

that's something that they would factor into

7:05

the draft process? It has that been something

7:07

that they've brought up at all. I

7:09

personally not have not heard that, But that's a really

7:12

good point. I mean, you know, they

7:14

talk about growth and you want to see

7:16

growth, and especially with you know, this

7:18

year's draft, with it being so guard heavy,

7:21

you know, they see that growth that they're

7:23

looking for it. I mean, I wouldn't

7:25

be surprised if it did. You know. It's kind of

7:27

those things of like, yeah, if you're if

7:30

they're at a certain point, you're like, okay, well maybe

7:32

then they just kind of like how they're approaching

7:34

the draft. Yeah, that's

7:36

a really good a really good point. I hadn't third

7:38

of so I'm not I'm not sure, but it

7:40

feels like it feels like the only silver lining

7:43

with with this whole situation. Like it's

7:45

basically, as far as I know, it's an unprecedented

7:48

situation where you get to see what your guys

7:50

look like after an off season before you even

7:52

draft someone, especially too

7:54

with you know, like Darius being out so much

7:56

last offseason after they drafted him, you know, like

7:59

being able to get back in the gym with him and see how

8:01

he's progressed, you know, like all right, you know,

8:03

then now you can kind of continue to

8:05

make some decisions on what

8:07

to do with your young guys, where to go with the draft,

8:10

you know, kind of just how it might affect just kind

8:12

of everything down the line. So I wouldn't

8:14

that that wouldn't be shocking to me to hear that, you

8:16

know, just but I haven't personally heard

8:19

it. That makes sense, I don't. I

8:21

don't remember when is the draft lottery again? That

8:27

okay, so they'll know and then the draft isn't

8:29

until like October,

8:32

I think like October eighteenth or something, let's call

8:34

mid October. So so conceivably,

8:36

if the bubble, if the de leade eight bubble does happen,

8:38

they should be able to get their hands

8:41

on some of these guys, um and actually

8:43

watch see how they've developed. I don't know,

8:45

it's it's a really interesting. Um,

8:47

it's a really interesting state for the team to

8:50

be in. And I have you gotten

8:52

any sense of kind of where

8:54

how they're feeling internally about these prospects

8:57

right now and whether they are

8:59

willing to kind of go

9:01

outside, you know, go draft for fit

9:03

as opposed to best player because they

9:06

like a KPJ or a Garland or

9:08

a Sexton. Yeah, I think there's

9:11

like it's still not really

9:13

early, but a little bit early where there's still there's

9:15

still a lot of evaluating, and especially because

9:18

like some of those big opportunities where they

9:20

would have gotten to see you know, draft

9:22

prospects aren't there, but

9:24

they at this time. Has been really useful

9:27

to kind of involve everybody and be able to talk about

9:29

you know guys and evaluate. Like um

9:32

j B said back in June,

9:34

you know that he's been involved a little bit more.

9:37

It's still obviously left up a lot to the front office,

9:39

but he's still kind of involved. So like his voice

9:41

is in there. You know, they're there. I'm sure they're all talking everything.

9:44

And my feel like, especially

9:47

with where this team is at, you

9:49

still kind of have to draft best

9:52

player available just because

9:54

of where they are in the rebuild. You know, it's

9:57

the draft is sometimes I feel like for them especially

9:59

is more of like um just kind

10:01

of like acquiring assets, like acquiring

10:04

talent and kind of going from there versus

10:06

then like you know, free agency,

10:08

even though they don't have much cap space and they

10:10

don't have it like a lot of room, um

10:13

you would. That's kind of where you go a little bit more positional

10:16

fit. But there's also the opportunity,

10:19

depending on you know, where they end up in the draft lottery,

10:22

you kind of could sort of get best of both.

10:24

It's just sort of depends. But I think from

10:27

like it just seems like they're they'll probably still

10:29

go best player available. But again,

10:31

you know, it's like one of those things that things

10:33

could change, you never exactly

10:35

know, but that seems to kind of be the mindset. The

10:38

thing that I always think is interesting with the draft

10:40

is like, on one hand, yeah, you can say

10:42

you're gonna go for for fit or

10:45

uh, you know, like you

10:47

can think like, okay, we're comfortable with our guards.

10:50

But as you get closer and closer like these

10:52

these people, these front office

10:54

people there, people there, they fall in love with prospects

10:56

and we don't know who. Like I

10:59

mean, I don't know if you if you heard anything, Kelsey,

11:01

but right now, you know, you hear some ball

11:03

talk, you hear some Wiseman talk,

11:06

but we don't really know who this draft,

11:09

who in this draft this front office has fallen in love

11:11

with yet And that kind of when

11:13

that happens, so a lot of your processes get thrown

11:15

out the window, right Yeah.

11:18

Yeah, No, I haven't personally heard like anybody

11:20

specific yet. Um, but again

11:23

that's still kind of one of the areas I'm

11:25

working on, you know this this to

11:27

go back to this kind of sucked as well

11:29

for me of like it kind of I

11:32

was like build a relationships, you know, getting in

11:34

there with the guys and like getting to know people, and

11:37

so I was like, man, I was making some

11:39

good progress and then it's just like cut

11:41

it off. And I was like, all right, well it's

11:43

okay, We're just we're making you we're figuring it

11:45

out. But yeah, so I'm still a little bit

11:47

you know, like figuring that out,

11:50

like that side of it out as well throughout

11:52

this whole time. Yeah, And

11:54

it certainly doesn't help. Like the cows

11:57

typically operate there, they're a little tight

11:59

lipped one uh it comes to information,

12:01

and then when things get out sometimes

12:03

it makes me think, okay, well, what's the reasoning behind

12:05

that? Like I know we've talked to uh

12:08

for the podcast having Damn were all about kind

12:10

of some of the talk of

12:12

ball being at the top of their list and

12:15

that maybe because other teams

12:17

have them at the top of their list and they're going to look at trade

12:19

options. Like there's so many things and

12:21

ways that this can go. It'll be fascinating

12:24

to see what they do, because as much as you want

12:26

to take best player available, you also want

12:28

to draft a guy that you feel confident

12:31

in your ability to bring them to their

12:33

ceiling. Now, one question,

12:36

Um, I do need to ask because I'm a

12:38

crazy person and this is one of my obsessions.

12:41

Uh, and I think it's important to team building.

12:43

How how tall is Kevin Porter Jr.

12:47

And I don't and and let it. Let

12:49

us be very clear here, We're not interested

12:52

in his official listed height. Yeah, I don't

12:54

care about that. We were looking for a ballpark

12:57

when he's on the floor. What what what would

12:59

you get? Because because I think Tristan

13:01

said that he was six seven or six eight

13:03

at one point, and like if he is

13:06

actually small forward size, that all of a sudden

13:08

makes things make a little bit more sense

13:10

because he's listening to six four, but we really

13:12

want him to be six seven four. Okay,

13:14

we'll go he's listening to six four. You know your

13:18

reaction is encouraging to me. Because it makes

13:20

it seem as outlandish as it fields.

13:22

Well, this is a problem too, Like I'm also kind of

13:24

short, so they all feel really taller than me, like

13:26

no matter what, they all are like up

13:28

here and I'm just like hello, Like

13:31

down here, I'm like I'm five six, so

13:33

I'm not like not that

13:34

that's pretty tall for a yeah,

13:37

but compared to all of them, it's there's

13:39

like a major gap difference, like just across

13:42

the board. So so if you

13:44

stand in extra Tristan, is it

13:46

like yeah,

13:50

I'm trying to think okay. Also though, like

13:53

his hair also makes a difference, like when he

13:55

was here, and it's also been

13:57

four months, right, he's

13:59

seven three with hair exactly.

14:02

That's a great question. I don't know. I yeah,

14:05

I don't. I don't. I don't know if I'm like, well this

14:08

is so then so because you

14:10

have access that we don't have. UM,

14:12

once the world gets normal again, UM

14:15

training camp, heading into the

14:17

delete eight, we're gonna need

14:19

a direct report you

14:22

if you gotta get if you gotta go get a

14:25

couple of yardsticks, that's

14:27

a good idea. Whatever gets us up the mountain.

14:29

He'll he'll understand. He seems like a cool guy.

14:32

Yeah, yeah, it maybe maybe

14:34

just a little bit uncomfortable as you

14:36

you walk up and you go with the marker on

14:38

the doorframe, Well, you haven't seen

14:40

him in a couple of months. It's a good icebreaker

14:42

exactly, just just checking how tall

14:44

you are. Yeah, cur out of

14:46

curiosity. What has been the level of access

14:49

you guys have been getting, um, Because obviously

14:51

Justin and I are in the realm

14:53

of unimportant pundits, so

14:55

we don't get we don't get good access. But

14:58

what kind of access have you had to the team, um

15:01

during this U during

15:03

the pandemic. Yeah, so

15:05

basically leading up like when it when

15:07

it started, and probably up to the middle

15:10

of June when they decided officially

15:12

that you know, two teams were going

15:14

and like the cows were going to be left out. Um,

15:16

we were having um some zoom

15:18

calls kind of pretty regularly

15:21

UM with either JB or

15:23

players and it kind of just um switched

15:25

off and on and like we could like

15:28

Chris fedor I could like ask you

15:30

know about talking to people, UM,

15:33

and that was really nice, like just being able to have like

15:36

like I think we talked to Dr

15:38

Larry Nance Jr. Tristan Um,

15:42

Kevin Love, Colin, and JV,

15:44

and we talked to JV a couple of times, so

15:46

they were kind of like spread out over

15:48

like like once a week sort of so

15:51

um. And then kind of from there,

15:53

like if I was working on something specific, I reached

15:56

out, you know and and requested

15:58

if I could talk to somebody and like did

16:00

some things. So um, but kind of once

16:02

they like decided like who was going

16:05

to Orlando and who wasn't, that

16:07

was like the official start of their off season and

16:09

that's when kind of things get quieter on their end.

16:12

So there's not really anything. There's not things

16:14

like scheduled. But because I still

16:17

and like writing stuff and like working

16:19

on stories, I've been like talking

16:21

with PR about setting things up and working around

16:24

around that. So but um,

16:26

that's kind of where like it's that there's something officially

16:28

set up, so it's just kind of like if you need

16:31

it, they'll they'll work on it kind

16:33

of thing. Yeah, I'm sure,

16:35

I'm sure. It's quite the it's got

16:37

to be so different, you know. I I

16:39

was a fake journalist once. Um,

16:42

and uh, you know, like it's

16:44

it's it's got to be wildly different. Over a zoom

16:46

call or a phone call to like try

16:48

to get worthwhile information, Like

16:50

they can duck you pretty easy if if they

16:52

want to. Yeah, yeah, it's funny. It's

16:55

like on the zoom calls, it's like everybody like puts

16:57

in like that if they have a question,

16:59

so it's like you just kind go you get called on.

17:01

So it's just kind of it's very diplomatic, you

17:04

know, it's very just kind of like in order. But

17:06

it has been really nice, Like I have been really appreciate

17:08

that they've done them, because I know some teams

17:11

weren't doing anything, which makes it really hard

17:13

to cover a team. So it has been really

17:15

nice to just kind of

17:17

you know, because people are curious, like what have they

17:19

been doing in quarantine, like what's happening?

17:21

You know, So it's been cool to be able to just have

17:23

those check ins and you know, yeah, it's

17:26

probably was it like monumental

17:28

stuff like oh I'm you know, working out

17:30

or I'm staying diusy, but like

17:32

being able to just still do that and

17:35

kind of remind people that they are people to

17:37

you know, their humans are going through things. They're

17:39

working through this pandemic as well. You

17:41

know, it was cool to be able to do. Have

17:45

you got the impression that, uh,

17:47

these guys want to come back um prior

17:50

to the next season starting. I'm sure it's got to be mixed

17:52

even within the team, you know, like the young

17:54

guys, I'm sure maybe a little bit hungrier

17:56

to get out there. Like what's been the impression you've gotten

17:58

from guys that you've talked to? Yeah, I think

18:01

from definitely from the younger guys, there seems to be

18:03

more like a more want to go back.

18:05

And it's not that the vets I don't,

18:08

but there's just kind of the

18:11

less drive for it, right Yeah,

18:13

and then and there's not there's as much value

18:15

to it because you know, they're kind of set in

18:17

their careers and what they do and kind

18:20

of how they operate versus the young guys are still

18:22

learning and developing. UM,

18:24

but they seem pretty I

18:26

mean, there seems to be like a want to come back from

18:29

like especially the younger guys as well. I'm

18:32

very very curious to see when the next

18:34

time we get to see this team is because I

18:36

mean, as I said, I'm absolutely

18:38

starved for content and um

18:41

with sports coming back like it just I

18:43

I feel like I'm missing out on it more now

18:45

that there's actual other teams coming

18:48

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18:50

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That was a really nice segue, justin thanks,

19:35

Carter. I try I dry my best

19:38

so getting back to Kevin

19:40

Porter Jr. Because we we've

19:42

done our obligated height watch

19:45

segment. But it does seem

19:47

like a lot of the messaging

19:49

that's come from the team is that they view

19:52

him as their highest upside guy,

19:54

which is certainly interesting,

19:56

especially like at this point, I think

19:58

you can look at what Collins Exton has done

20:00

and it's definitely

20:03

fair to say that he has the highest floor out of anyone

20:05

like who he currently is, even

20:07

if there's just like modest improvement

20:09

from this point out. The worst case scenario

20:12

that that is kind of like an electric

20:14

six man coming off the bench, Like that's someone that

20:16

any team really could use. Um,

20:19

what what do you think is kind of the driving

20:21

force behind the Cavs belief in KPJ

20:24

to be kind of the the cornerstone piece.

20:28

That's a good question, Um, I think because

20:30

like you know, this

20:33

year kind of started off a little like shaky

20:35

form and then he kind of exploded,

20:37

you know, and he kind of really found his

20:40

his place and just how he really he

20:43

fits. And I think what's honestly going to be

20:45

interesting is like something that like JB

20:47

talked about before the season,

20:49

like when on hiatus.

20:52

Um, it was the fact that you know, they

20:54

were kind of like he wanted to use that last

20:57

strats of games to kind of experiment

20:59

and like if like Kpe could

21:01

move to play more of the two

21:03

or like you know, like just where he fits. You know,

21:06

he fits very well to three, but like just

21:08

kind of experiment because they hadn't

21:10

really done a whole lot of that and kind of why not

21:12

experiments see where they best fit,

21:15

the best combos that fit together. Um

21:17

but I think, you know, Kevin Porter

21:20

really showed just like how versatile

21:23

he can be and like he can be explosive

21:25

on both ends, and that that he's just a really

21:27

good, like all around player and can

21:29

be a good two way player, which is like kind of something

21:32

they need of, especially because they're lacking about defense

21:34

and I think that they're lean on that end

21:36

of the floor to charitable yeah,

21:38

and like but so like him showing

21:41

that side of him, I think just

21:43

kind of increased his upside and like just kind

21:45

of show that Okay, yeah, we

21:47

had this kind of one vision for him

21:50

on the offensive end, but being being able

21:52

to do both is just kind of

21:55

the best of both worlds, honestly. And so I

21:57

think for him, honestly,

21:59

the like going back and having

22:02

like a little mini camp whatever would be the best because

22:04

they can experiment, they can kind of continue

22:07

to see you know, just his fit

22:09

and where where they want him to be

22:11

and just kind of continue to grow. Um

22:14

But I do definitely think there is a good you know, there's

22:16

a really good feeling about him, just because of what he

22:18

was able to show, especially when like JB

22:21

took over. Yeah, I think what's

22:23

interesting with him is that ultimately he

22:25

doesn't force you to make a lot of concessions

22:28

and how you build your team and mean,

22:30

maybe you want someone who's a bit more of a

22:33

of a creator um and a guy who

22:35

gets into your sets. I mean, I think the lineup data

22:37

bore that out that, uh, the pairing

22:40

with Darius was a lot better than the bearing

22:42

with Sexton because both Sexton

22:44

and KPJ are more bucket getters, but

22:47

defensively, he's a little bit easier to slot

22:49

in. I am really interested by

22:51

the fact that it seems like the team has really

22:53

embraced KPJ. And you know, Darius

22:55

had a tough rookie season. I think you know, by

22:57

by most of the numbers, UM,

23:00

what's kind of your sense of how

23:03

how this team is viewing Darius

23:05

right now, because you know, normally, just

23:07

by the pedigree of being the fifth overall

23:09

pick as opposed to Darius

23:11

would be the one getting the shine, Um,

23:14

But that it feels like Kevin is really getting

23:17

a lot of flood from the organization right now. How are they feeling

23:19

about Darius. I don't think

23:21

it's changed, honestly. I think you kind

23:23

of take into consideration of like everything

23:26

that happened this year, you know, and um,

23:29

like his injury, Like you're still coming

23:31

back from an injury, you know. I think we

23:33

probably didn't notice it or it didn't

23:36

come out as much as maybe it was really affecting

23:38

him. Um, But you know, you're

23:40

kind of like coming into a new organization

23:42

and then all the chaos this year, you know, you can never

23:45

really get settled. And I think like sometimes

23:48

which I didn't realize really at first,

23:50

but kind of was talking to people like

23:52

just how much when there's chaos,

23:55

it how it affects the season,

23:57

and so you know, you can never really find

23:59

your way. And so I think, you

24:02

know, I don't like I don't want to. I think, yes,

24:04

he had especially when you look at the numbers, he didn't

24:06

have a good rookie season. But I feel like there's

24:08

a little bit of like a of room

24:10

there to kind of just be like, well,

24:13

like, yeah, there was a lot that happened though this year,

24:15

especially coming back from you know,

24:18

from an injury, didn't really play in summer league,

24:21

like just kind of then that injury during

24:23

training camp, you know, the foot injury. So you're

24:25

just kind of there was just all these things that just added

24:28

up and then you know, all the turmoil and everything,

24:30

and there was just like never really a smooth

24:33

transition into an NBA season.

24:35

Plus you're playing at one of the most like

24:38

arguably the best position in the league.

24:40

You know, you're facing guys like

24:42

every single night that are just the right

24:46

Yeah, and like you're facing guys like

24:48

every night that are just you

24:51

know obviously have been the league for a while, and

24:53

like you're figuring it out. So I

24:56

think there's more hope that you

24:58

know, Okay, like there's an off season,

25:00

now, there's time to work. There's a little

25:02

bit of stability because JB is

25:04

on his coach, you know, so there's not a

25:07

change there, and there's just kind of

25:09

gonna be a little bit more consistency

25:11

going into next season and then you

25:13

can kind of evaluate kind

25:15

of as it continues. Yeah.

25:17

Yeah, Justin accuses me of being too

25:19

mean to Darius, and perhaps and

25:22

perhaps I am. I don't know, but I

25:24

do think like there's a lot of

25:26

mitigating factors you're under correct,

25:28

Like he didn't have a

25:31

great offseason to to get

25:33

ramped up. He had. He plays the

25:35

toughest vision in the league, UM,

25:38

in terms of like young guards always

25:41

always suck, and when they don't, it's a huge

25:43

surprise. UM. And

25:45

the fact that you know he did show

25:47

flashes. I mean on the stream right now, we've

25:49

got highlights from the game against the Nuggets, which I think

25:51

was probably his best game of the season. UM.

25:54

And you know, he shows the wiggle,

25:57

he shows the touch, and he adds better

26:00

vision then I think most of us thought he was

26:02

going to have UM coming into

26:04

the season. So it's funny for a guy whose

26:07

numbers very rarely reflected it. I

26:09

do think there are signs there that,

26:11

you know, if if anyone feels

26:13

leap worthy, it seems like he's someone

26:16

who can do it if he just bulks up a bit, adds

26:18

a bit of strength, and just kind of

26:20

who gets used to NBA

26:23

defenses and running an NBA offense just

26:25

a little bit more mm hmm. Yeah,

26:28

I mean, you look at it. In the last two months

26:30

of the year, the guy was averaging over

26:32

five assists a game. I think if

26:34

he was able to sustain that and

26:36

that was kind of a like if you

26:38

saw that post All Star break run. If they actually

26:41

had those games and he sustained that, it wouldn't

26:43

be that much of a leap for him to get

26:45

up to like six or seven the following

26:47

year. Like the other tricky thing

26:50

with Garland and I

26:53

I completely understand where people are coming

26:55

from when they talk about the CALVS team

26:57

building and people mentioned sex and

26:59

moving to the bench when at this

27:01

point he is so much more productive than

27:04

Kevin Port Jr. Or Darius Garland.

27:06

But it's kind of funny when you're you're looking

27:09

at team building and if the team truly

27:11

views KPJ as the guy they

27:14

want to build around it, at least out of

27:16

who's currently on the roster. The

27:18

difference in effectiveness of the pairing

27:20

of Garland and Kevin Porter Jr. Compared

27:23

to Sexton, it's dramatic.

27:25

Like for the season, it was only a negative

27:27

two point to net rating when Garland and

27:29

Porter Jr. Shared the floor without Sexton,

27:32

uh, whereas Sexton and KPJ

27:34

was minus sixteen and then they were minus twenty

27:36

six when all three were together. So

27:39

it's really I know what the

27:41

team does is going to be based on how they

27:43

developed, but the fact that

27:46

the lineup data is so dramatic,

27:49

if that continues next year, it could put

27:51

the team in a pretty awkward position. And

27:54

I think it's like one of those things of like where

27:57

when when they talked about kind of

27:59

wanting to look at combinations and kind of

28:01

just look at different lineups and different

28:04

pairing different guys together, that could

28:06

have been one of the things they were talking about, you know, and just

28:08

kind of looking at who fits well together, Like

28:11

how did they how do they

28:13

be the most successful with these guys, because

28:15

like obviously they all have talent, you

28:18

know, individually, it's just kind of finding the best

28:20

pairings together. And I think that's part of it.

28:22

Of like then there's nothing

28:24

wrong with all any like the three of them,

28:26

you know, it's just kind of figuring out who

28:28

fits well together and how

28:30

you move forward to run your offense to

28:33

like not have or like limit

28:36

the amount of defensive inefficiency.

28:38

Um. But there's just like different things I think you can

28:40

still evaluate and like, yeah, I think it's

28:43

one of those things that they could have maybe messed

28:45

with the lineups and seeing more of Darius

28:47

and KPJ together, or

28:49

like Calling and KPJ, like even just like trying

28:51

things out, you know, like why not just like I

28:54

don't know, mess with things and to see it's

28:56

very early in their careers, Like there's just so

28:58

much opportunity for them to work things out.

29:00

And like I've talked about a million times,

29:03

but how we discuss calling

29:05

sex and changes dramatically

29:07

if he starts showing growth on the defensive

29:10

end, because he certainly has the wingspan to do that.

29:12

And I'm sure you can speak to this, but I'm

29:14

sure it's a point of emphasis with the team because

29:17

if he recognizes his potential all of a sudden,

29:19

makes it a whole lot easier to um

29:22

keep him in the starting lineup long term, to

29:25

put him with Garland and Kevin Porter Jr.

29:27

Like that, that's not something that we necessarily

29:29

should rule out at this point. Um,

29:32

it's going to be really interesting to see where

29:34

he directs his energy because the work

29:37

ethic of sex and I don't think anyone can deny,

29:39

right, Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's not possible.

29:42

Like you just see, like he puts

29:44

in so much every and he cares so much. And I think

29:46

that is everybody is aware

29:48

of that and you and like just seeing

29:50

how you know, we kind of explode

29:52

it offensively, especially when JB

29:54

took over, and like, yeah, you want to see that

29:56

growth, especially as the season goes on. But

29:59

like, I think that's very telling as well.

30:01

But they have to figure out and that's

30:04

part of growing. Like it's not nobody's perfect,

30:06

but it's like part of figuring out, Okay, now,

30:08

how do we use that speed and like

30:11

on the defensive end or find a way to kind

30:13

of combat that missing link

30:15

a little bit with like if they bring in a

30:17

wing, you know, that can fill

30:19

that like a little bit with some height. You know, there's just kind

30:21

of different things you can figure out. But yeah,

30:23

I there's no denying that one,

30:26

the improvement he made and just how explosed if he

30:28

was, especially like in that last

30:30

stretch. Do you feel like, I

30:32

mean you you're around the guy a lot more

30:35

than we are, which is never and

30:37

uh, do you do you get

30:39

the impression that this is someone who if the

30:41

Cavs decided to say, hey, we

30:44

looked at our lineup data um

30:46

Garland and KPJ their lineup,

30:49

they play really really well together, we'd

30:51

like to come off the bench. Is you think that's something

30:53

that the guy like that's gonna be recepted

30:56

to, because yeah, he's a really hard worker, but

30:58

he also thinks very highly of his game him. I get

31:00

the impression. Do you do you feel like that

31:02

that could that's going to be a landline they're

31:04

gonna have to, you know, dodge. It's

31:07

a good question. Actually, somebody asked me that when

31:09

I did a Q and A last week

31:11

on the athletics site, and I was like, I

31:14

don't know, Like I'm there,

31:17

you go, um,

31:20

yeah, I'm really not sure. I mean because

31:23

like, yeah, I mean, like you said, like I talked to him all

31:25

the time, like when we're in the locker room and everything,

31:27

just like one about stories but

31:29

also just like just chatting um

31:32

about life and everything. But I'm yeah,

31:34

I'm not positive. I'm I'm curious.

31:37

I mean because part of it's, like, you know, you

31:39

want the best for the team, So it's

31:41

like if that's what they see, like okay, obviously

31:43

it would be disappointing, but like if

31:45

that's how they see it going, then then

31:48

the next thing you do is you just prove them wrong or

31:51

you're like, I don't know. Yeah, I'm curious.

31:53

I'm I'm not sure. It's

31:56

I mean, it's tricky, Like I find myself getting

31:59

caught on this whole time because if you like,

32:02

I feel like if Colin Sexton was

32:04

doing this in a Lakers uniform, like let's

32:06

say it was that air the five years where

32:09

um they were bad, or however

32:11

many years it was, if he was putting up

32:13

basically like since Clarkson got

32:15

trade it was like twenty four points per

32:17

game efficiently, if he was doing

32:19

that at twenty years old, like the league

32:21

would be taking notice and there would

32:23

be less of discussion about fit because at

32:25

this point, the cast focus is

32:28

purely player development. So um,

32:30

when you see that, it's okay,

32:33

he's doing all these things. Yes, he's having

32:35

issues turning it into impact, but

32:38

a player that talented normally you

32:40

kind of see a little bit of warmer

32:42

reception and kind of working

32:45

to find ways to to factor

32:47

him into the line of versus moving

32:49

him to the bench. Yeah.

32:53

No, I totally I totally agree, And I think

32:55

that's I mean part of it. You

32:57

know they talked about, we talked about so much

32:59

about the second half the season. I've

33:01

always been like, you know, he consistently puts up twenty

33:04

points like that can't be forgotten and

33:07

and I think that's that's a really good

33:09

thing to just kind of continually keep in mind like he

33:11

is, he was consistently putting up

33:13

at least twenty points and just kind of being

33:16

that, you know, just kind of exploding

33:18

and so yeah, I don't know, it's

33:21

just kind of one of those things of like, you know,

33:23

is it because of where the calves are? Are Are that

33:25

that that that why this is so much of the conversation

33:29

versus I don't know, like whatever

33:31

other reasons, but it's just kind of like it's just an

33:33

interesting thing to think about. I think, I

33:35

think I think ultimately what it is is we

33:37

have a really hard time as sports

33:39

fans changing our mind about how

33:42

something is supposed to go and

33:44

how quick after he was drafted,

33:47

justin what are we saying, yeah, but eventually he could

33:49

be a six man? Yeah that you

33:51

know, that's true. Like I'm

33:54

working on because like you

33:56

kind of have to have strong opinions when you're

33:58

doing a podcast, and like I do, not no

34:00

draft the draft very well. And that's why

34:03

we typically bring on experts and I usually

34:05

developed strong opinions based on their opinions

34:08

UM, and pretty pretty

34:10

flimsy. Yeah yeah, I mean

34:12

I'm pretty malleable. Like if

34:14

a guy starts playing well for my favorite team,

34:17

I'm going to I'm gonna be all

34:19

over because I I care more about the

34:21

cast figuring it out than I do being

34:23

right or wrong. And Sexton is just he's

34:25

a tough guy to project because like, coming in,

34:28

it's okay, this is a UM

34:30

kind of pick and roll point guard that doesn't really

34:32

shoot well, but he played good defense at

34:34

Alabama, UM, and then he just

34:37

turned out to be a totally different player than

34:39

kind of projected, and UM,

34:42

it's just difficult to have team building

34:44

conversations because you don't

34:46

know where he's going to go, Like you don't

34:48

know how much he can grow on

34:51

defense or what the next version

34:53

of Sexton is going to be. Even months a

34:55

month, they can change pretty dramatically. Well,

34:58

I think too, especially because like you know, when

35:00

you know he came in, they drafted him

35:02

to and played him his point guard, and then they

35:05

drafted Darius and then they moved him over to shooting guards.

35:07

So it was like in his two years he played

35:09

two different positions and like, yes, do they have

35:11

similarities obviously, but like you

35:14

kind of have to switch mindsets a little bit. You kind of have

35:16

to like move to me and like, Okay, I'm

35:18

playing off ball. I'm not doing the things that was

35:20

doing while running, like running

35:22

the offense. And so I think that's also

35:25

part of the conversation that sometimes

35:27

you know, even I've forgotten about You're

35:29

like, oh, wait, he didn't play there last year

35:31

at the time. You know, like there's just

35:33

things about it where it's like, you

35:36

know, there's yeah, like there's just so much development

35:38

and even from year one to year two or and

35:41

just so many things that change that he

35:43

is kind of hard to project to like what like how

35:47

what what he's going to do because he

35:50

has just like he's just changed so much,

35:52

which is not a bad thing in the slightness.

35:54

It's just one of those things that like right

35:58

exactly, Yeah, it's just like I don't know where he's

36:00

gonna go because I just I don't know. We

36:03

We've spent a lot of times I've about the young guys,

36:05

but I think before we we let

36:07

you go, I wanted to kind of talk about the vets on this

36:09

seam um, specifically Andre Drummond

36:11

Kevin Love, two dudes who are

36:14

at least locked in for next year. Uh.

36:16

The Drummond will hit free agency after that

36:19

and uh, you know Love just I think

36:21

both will probably be the target of trade rumors

36:23

at some point or another. Have you gotten a sense

36:25

of kind of where those guys are

36:27

in their headspace? I'm sure Love was

36:29

hoping to be traded and then he wasn't, but

36:32

at least put on the public fit

36:35

uh face of being kind of the good

36:37

soldier. Um. Kind of where

36:39

where where do you think those guys heads are at

36:41

in terms of how they're feeling about next

36:44

season and uh kind of

36:46

remaining in this organization. Yeah.

36:49

Um, we talked actually got talked to Kevin

36:52

back in June, kind of as a final exit

36:55

interview, UM, and

36:58

very much like kind of a similar I and

37:00

set then some of the young guys just kind of seeing of like

37:03

he saw what they were, what they did under

37:05

JV and that last stretch and was like I

37:07

saw the momentum, saw the building, saw

37:09

like the just kind of that like chemistry

37:13

and just flow, you know, and and was

37:15

excited about where they were going. So it was like a

37:17

bum he was obviously bummed that it like the season

37:19

got cut short because you know, now you

37:21

don't have that and you were building off that momentum.

37:23

So you know, they've been kind of working to do

37:25

what they can to keep it going in this offseason

37:28

to then lead into next year because like

37:31

that's such a big part of it of their like that momentum

37:33

was getting them places. And yeah, I wouldn't

37:35

have done anything like drastic, but like

37:37

I probably would I want a couple more games, but it would

37:40

have continued to build that foundation.

37:43

And like having that you know, just kind of

37:45

taken out like sucks. And

37:48

you know, especially when we talked to him,

37:51

a lot of it was like, you know, it was a bummer

37:53

for the young guys kind of going back with you

37:55

know, just that development and having that time.

37:58

And so he was seeing you know, like what One

38:00

was doing, what what Darius was doing, what

38:02

KPJ was doing, just kind of the

38:04

growth all around, and was excited for where those

38:06

guys were going. Um

38:09

So I think, like you know, I

38:12

want to say, like he talked about like getting

38:15

wanting to get obviously get back into

38:17

you know, when next season happens, just kind

38:19

of being able to pick up where they left off

38:21

in the sense of that momentum, that camaraderie

38:24

and just playing with each other um

38:27

and those and the work they've been doing you know

38:29

over zoom calls and you know

38:31

just kind of even like what

38:35

is it called why am I blanking on the word? Um?

38:38

Oh, like the like the in person

38:40

workouts, Like yes, their individual but like when guys

38:43

have been able to be you know, it's putting in the work when you can,

38:45

and so like continually putting the work, building

38:47

on things that you want to get better and

38:50

then just like kind of trying to manifest

38:53

team chemistry, team camaraderie

38:55

however you can you know, will help

38:57

lead into next season. Um

39:01

yeah. I think like it's kind of like there's

39:03

an anticipation of like being

39:05

able to build off of what they had because

39:08

a lot of it was just built on like how they

39:10

are with each other laden into and they're hoping

39:12

to obviously turn that into next

39:14

season. I think, like, you know,

39:16

Kevin has a really good relationship with j B. And

39:19

I think that's really helpful, Um

39:21

being able to just kind of rally

39:23

around him and understand where he's

39:25

coming from and being able to just

39:27

like, have a good relationship helps

39:29

a lot um and just like

39:32

even in when even when the team is like

39:34

the state it's in, you know, being able

39:37

to just rally around people

39:39

I think is really helpful. And so he has that close

39:41

relationship with them, which I think is really good. In

39:43

the Chatkin Phillips just said

39:45

on on the periscope chat, what

39:47

about the love and drum and pairing and you talk

39:50

about them from the team, do they view these guys

39:52

do they view especially in the drum

39:54

and sense? Are they viewing him as like a foundational

39:56

piece? I know they kind of just took a flyer on the guy,

39:58

but he is an all start to out so they

40:01

have to Yeah, and he's young and

40:03

uh so they kind of do have to figure out

40:06

just how interested they are in him being a

40:08

piece of their future. What have you got? What impressions

40:11

have you gotten from the team with regard to Andre. Yeah,

40:14

so this was like what it was interesting of you know,

40:16

they drafted or drafted oh my gosh,

40:18

they treated for him and um,

40:20

you know they were like hoping like okay, they don't have like

40:22

a two month stretch where it's kind of like

40:24

an experimental period. C I fits,

40:27

see how it goes, and then hopefully

40:29

he would opt in and then they could, like if they wanted

40:31

to, they could offer an extension just kind of see how he

40:33

fits. Well. Obviously, like that got cut

40:35

short. So I'm

40:38

curious, and I'm not I don't have

40:40

like anything yet, um,

40:42

but I'm curious, like how much if

40:45

like you know, since he did say he was going

40:47

to opt in, obviously you're still waiting for that to be official,

40:50

but like he did say he was going to opt in, and

40:53

like how much will they use next

40:55

season and or how much

40:57

of next season to make

41:00

decision? Like and I'm not sure,

41:02

Like I don't know if they saw

41:04

enough in that little stretch and just how he's

41:06

been with the team that they've made their decision,

41:09

or if they're kind of still gonna rely on

41:11

next season because

41:13

there were some numbers, um,

41:15

you know with the the big lineup actually worked

41:18

really well to have like Larry Kevin and Andrea

41:20

or Larry Kevin interested or you know, a combination

41:22

of those three on the floor together like actually

41:25

had a lot of success and

41:28

um, which was they were all really excited

41:30

about. And I think again, like that was one

41:32

of those things that like they'll probably continue

41:34

to experiment with that because they

41:36

liked what they saw and then it got cut short, so

41:39

they didn't you know, they didn't get enough. So they'll

41:41

probably you know, I could see them trying

41:43

it out again, kind of seeing what how it

41:45

works, to kind of continue to build that data

41:47

even more. Um. But yeah,

41:50

I I'm curious, Like that's kind of one of the

41:52

things I'm like watching out for, especially

41:54

because I think it's gonna I

41:56

don't know, I don't know if they'll you know, if they'll

41:58

wait, if it'll just kind of be something like they'll

42:01

do right away. Uh,

42:03

there's a lot of questions that I got there. Yeah,

42:06

well it's well, it's really and I'm sorry justin.

42:08

I was just gonna say, like, I feel like how

42:11

they handle Andre Drummond is going to

42:13

be a huge part of Kobe Altman's

42:15

kind of legacy with the team because this is such

42:17

a crossroads, and I mean there's

42:19

an opportunity, Like he was a guy that I

42:21

was advocating for them trading for

42:24

prior to it happening, just because of his age,

42:26

and hey, this might be a worthwhile thing. We

42:28

we have three guards that do well in the pick

42:30

and roll and that's a great pick and roll partner.

42:33

Um, I'd like to check the receipts on that. I

42:35

don't remember you saying jack shit about Andre

42:38

Oh my god. Okay, I was saying

42:40

it before the trade deadline. And people will back

42:42

me up on this, loyal chase down listeners

42:45

will back me up. This

42:47

is very this is very uh, this

42:49

is very trump asque. Many people

42:51

are saying, you

42:54

know what, I'm I'm unimpressed with you right

42:56

now, Carter. I I know the facts

42:58

and this is not me just being okay.

43:01

UM. Anyways, I

43:04

do think that they also have to weigh

43:06

the fact that he's going to be a

43:08

massive expiring contract going into a

43:10

great free agency class, and um,

43:13

I think some people are a little freaked out

43:15

by the messaging where the cas are saying, all

43:17

right, we're going to try to start winning next year,

43:19

when to me, at least

43:21

in reality, like they don't have a lot

43:24

of ability to make win

43:26

now moves, Like they can't go out and make a big

43:28

free agencies class because they

43:30

just don't have that type of cap space and

43:33

a lot of the playmaking and the initiating

43:35

is still going to be run three young guys, you're going to

43:37

make mistakes and uh,

43:39

they're gonna have to strike a

43:41

balance here on do

43:44

we bench a guy that let's let's

43:46

say Kevin Porter Jr. Has a season

43:48

similar to what Sexton had where

43:50

his numbers are blowing up, but the team impact

43:52

isn't there. Are are they going to make win

43:55

now decisions in who

43:57

they choose to play and who to put on the

43:59

band? And the whole

44:01

Drummond situation is just it's

44:04

a really really tricky spot because this

44:06

is a talent and he can help them in

44:09

the short term, but the long term play

44:12

might still be to to move him at the deadline.

44:14

I mean, let it before you even say that. I mean

44:16

draft is coming up, uh, and

44:19

it's all centers and guards. Yeah. Both wise,

44:22

Minano kong Wu are very

44:24

very legitimate prospects and Kelsey.

44:27

Do you get the impression that they would avoid

44:29

a center because they have Drummond on there? Because I

44:32

feel like there's still completely I

44:34

have no sense of what they're gonna do. Yeah,

44:37

um right there with you, I got I have zero

44:39

clue. I mean, you know, I think

44:41

if if he was best player

44:44

available, maybe maybe and they

44:46

they that could affect then what they do with

44:48

Drummond or you know, I that's

44:51

kind of one of the questions I've I like, how, like what

44:53

what will happen because like it's

44:55

I really think kind of depending on who

44:58

they draft, it could affect things. Just

45:00

kind of like where they go from there really anyone

45:02

except for a wing. If they take a wing, they can

45:06

pressure this.

45:09

This draft is basically like a Calv's pessimist

45:11

dream, Like, no matter what, you're almost certainly

45:13

going to be able to make some sarcastic remarks because

45:15

see, if they take a guard, people will say, oh, they

45:17

took another guard after taking so many guards.

45:20

They take a big, then everyone's gonna say, oh, you

45:22

traded for Andre Drummond and now

45:24

you take a big. It's basically

45:26

like if they go out and get like Denny

45:29

or Vassal or Coral, then

45:32

they reached. Maybe

45:36

really easy to criticize them.

45:39

Well, thank god for the new lottery where

45:41

we can fall back and then one becomes

45:44

reach. All I want is for the Calves

45:46

to follow like fifth or six. So I also,

45:49

no one will yell at them. Yeah

45:51

that's Kelsey.

45:56

You had written about some of the options

45:59

that Cavs might have when it comes

46:01

to that um exception and

46:03

one of the guys mentioned Derek Jones

46:06

Jr. I think Josh Jackson

46:08

was in there. Um kind of wing

46:10

help. Do you see that being kind of the

46:12

direction they go with the absence of wings

46:14

in the draft that uh, they might

46:17

look to kind of fill that void with an exception.

46:20

I feel like they almost kind of have to, like

46:22

to be honest, like that is such a position

46:25

that they're lacky that like, you

46:27

know, you have to do one or the other. It's

46:29

either in the draft or it's in free agency.

46:32

Um. And yeah, that's kind of like what my thinking

46:34

was rounded of, like, all right, that's where you can

46:36

really go out and make a positional

46:39

fit is in free agency. But granted,

46:41

you know, they only have like

46:43

their mid level exception and so like

46:45

that's how they would be able to sign a guy and

46:48

so uh and their bi annual I

46:50

forget about that, but like the mid mid level

46:52

is kind of where they would be dealing

46:54

with with with signing somebody.

46:56

Um. But I think really

46:58

that should be you know, the focus for free

47:01

agency if they move, make any moves,

47:03

because it's such a needed position and

47:05

I think you know, you

47:08

there are some potentials, like like those

47:11

those three four that I wrote about, you know they could. Yeah,

47:13

they're not the biggest names, but they're not going to go sign

47:15

the big names because they can't. And like

47:17

Derrek Jones Jr. Like to, like

47:20

what I wrote about was like he's going to

47:22

have a lot of people after him. I feel like, you

47:24

know, like the calves are gonna be thrown their hat in

47:26

a very crowded ring and so

47:28

and like. So that might not be

47:31

a possibility, but it might be one of those

47:33

those things where they they choose

47:35

another guy that is younger

47:38

or and fits a little bit better in the sense

47:40

of just like the age, because if they're

47:42

going along with development, you know, then they can continue

47:44

develop him along with their other guys

47:47

and kind of just all fits together. But

47:49

yeah, I think like if if they're

47:51

they are to make any moves in free agency, I feel like it

47:54

will probably it would be focused on

47:56

wings because it's such a position positional

47:59

need that they need. Unless

48:01

Kevin Porter Jr. Six eleven, right,

48:04

he just like grows like seriously,

48:08

I want to I want to. I want to see them on media

48:11

days flying over your shoulder, like

48:14

measuring with a little little things. Put him up on

48:16

a on a wall, yeah, speak

48:20

yeah, Well, I mean the other

48:22

mystery wing here is Dylan Windler, Like

48:25

what is how what's your sense

48:27

of how the Calves feel about him? Because

48:29

I mean, as much as I love to joke that

48:31

he could be the Calves, I shouldn't even

48:33

pretend that I'm joking he could be the Calves Duncan

48:35

Robinson. He can be, uh that

48:38

kind of guy. What what? What do you think

48:40

the Calve senses because it's

48:42

a situation where unless

48:45

they trade out of this draft, they're adding two

48:47

first round picks to next year's

48:49

team, right Yeah. And I

48:51

think, like, I mean, everybody was very

48:53

they were very excited about him, and then you

48:55

know, not having them all last season and when he was

48:57

out was like such a bummer because

49:00

they really did see a lot of potential

49:02

in him. And so I think like the

49:04

thing with him is like he

49:07

would going back to what we time or other. He

49:09

would also benefit from like a deleted eight scenario

49:12

just kind of like getting him back into the swing

49:14

of things and like putting him in

49:16

you know, kind of an NBA setting,

49:19

because missing a rookie season is

49:21

like that's it's that way. That's very

49:23

hard. You know, not only is a hard to

49:25

come in as a rookie, but then missing that and then having

49:28

to come back in it's just kind of

49:30

it is going to be a difficult situation.

49:32

I'm not saying that he can't do it, obviously, but like

49:35

it's just kind of one of those things that like it's gonna

49:38

right, and it's going to take him some time to like get

49:40

adjusted and find his find his rhythm

49:43

and find his place, and they're kind of has

49:45

to be that little leeway for that. Like he literally

49:47

missed a whole season for an injury, but like

49:50

so like give him a shot to just kind of like get

49:52

acclimated because every he's gonna

49:54

need it. But I think there still is

49:56

that hope that you know, he can be that

49:58

guy and that hasn't

50:00

wavered. It's just you know, obviously was

50:02

put on hold because of his injury. But like,

50:05

yeah, I don't think like it's changed.

50:08

It's just the fact of, like now you gotta work kind

50:10

of work back from coming back from an injury. Yeah,

50:12

And the nicest thing about a delete eight bubble

50:14

is because the games don't count it when impact is rookie

50:17

of the Year eligibily, which is crucial.

50:20

Right exactly at

50:25

that online dot a g le see what his

50:27

Rookie of the Year odds are. I'm sure they're not posted

50:30

yet. That that would truly be

50:32

something that that would be an

50:34

all time bet if it actually cashed, and that

50:36

I'm somewhat skeptical that Garter.

50:39

Do you have anything else before I wrap this thing up? No,

50:41

No, that's it for me, Kelsey. Thank you so much

50:44

for becoming a repeat guest. That's uh, it's

50:47

it's not that prestigious of company, but that

50:49

doesn't mean we don't appreciate it. No, I

50:51

I appreciate it's fun. I mean, I

50:53

haven't had a lot of podcast experience, so

50:55

this is great to be able to come

50:57

and chat and figure out how to do all this. We're

51:01

anytime we can go through a podcast

51:03

without scaring someone off where they're actually willing

51:05

to come back another time, I will take that as

51:07

a victory. So we really really do appreciate

51:10

your time and insight on this. I hope, I

51:12

hope you're staying safe. Hopefully that there's

51:15

some news in the near future, although

51:17

with the cal sometimes no news

51:20

is kind of nice. Um I

51:22

I want things that I can kind of stick my

51:24

teeth into and things to get excited. But big

51:27

shake ups, I think I'm I think

51:29

I'm good with no big shakeups for a little

51:31

while. Same. Yeah, there was enough

51:33

in one year that that land those. Okay,

51:36

I'm good with it. They

51:38

will work their way towards normal hopefully

51:41

maybe fingers crossed. Anyways, Really

51:43

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