Shaun Rose, a former litigator, public school teacher, and political advisor, and current nonprofit, center based child care provider, interviews Elliot Haspel, author of Crawling Behind: America's Child Care Crisis and How to Fix It. Elliot and Shaun discuss the issues with our current system of child care, including the difficult & often illogical choices we have to make in an under-resourced system, and Elliot's ideas about what we need to do fix things.

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