Episode Transcript
Transcripts are displayed as originally observed. Some content, including advertisements may have changed.
Use Ctrl + F to search
0:00
Hi everyone, Laszlo Montgomery here once
0:02
again. If you're looking for the
0:04
China History Podcast, this is the
0:06
place. We've got that five-part
0:08
history of Chinese medicine series out of
0:10
the way. I'm probably back from London
0:12
by the time you hear this and,
0:15
well, all the major media outlets have
0:17
called the trip a smashing success. And
0:20
now back to business. And for this time,
0:22
I'm doing something I've never
0:24
done before in a CHP episode,
0:26
featuring a topic concerning the continent
0:28
of Africa. Now before I
0:30
get into what Africa means to me and
0:32
how this topic all came about, let me
0:34
mention I'm a proud subscriber
0:36
to Eric Olander and Cobus Van
0:39
Staten's China Global South project. And
0:42
since they started podcasting about China in
0:45
Africa, around the same time I launched
0:47
the CHP, and Kaiser and
0:49
Jeremy started Seneca, I have
0:52
listened, cover to cover, to almost every
0:54
one of their podcast episodes. And I
0:56
subscribe to their newsletter as well. And
0:58
if you're like me, and you're interested
1:00
in what's going on in Africa and
1:02
the Global South, this is a resource
1:04
that is second to none. They've been
1:06
my African gateway for years. Since
1:10
at least middle school when good old
1:13
Mr. Lenway, my seventh
1:15
grade social studies teacher, when he
1:18
taught us about Africa and lectured
1:20
about the story of Australopithecus and
1:22
Olduvai Gorge and Tanzania. From way
1:25
back then, the African continent
1:27
became one of my 101 passions
1:29
that I started developing at the beginning
1:31
of my life. And even
1:33
before I was 10, I had a big
1:35
stamp collection. And yeah, I was one of
1:37
those kids in the neighborhood or elementary school
1:39
who could rattle off all the names of
1:41
the countries in the world, their capital, and
1:43
you know, if they had a prior name,
1:46
I knew that too. And I
1:48
vividly recall all these exotic
1:50
self adhesive foil stamps from
1:52
Sierra Leone that further
1:55
fueled my interest. In any
1:57
TV documentary concerning anything about
1:59
Africa. I never missed a single
2:01
one. And pretty much all the
2:03
way into my advanced age, I've always
2:05
had this interest in Africa, and I've
2:07
never been there. So this
2:09
topic, Mwalimo Julius Nereri in China,
2:12
let me explain how this whole
2:14
thing came about. Way
2:17
back in 1968 or 69,
2:19
thereabouts, my pretty teen years,
2:22
I checked out this book from the
2:25
school library called Leaders of New Nations
2:27
by Leonard Kenworthy and Irma Ferrari. It
2:30
first came out in 1959, and I remember
2:32
that the book was brand
2:34
new, and I was the first one to check it out.
2:36
So it was the new 1968 edition
2:38
that I read. Leaders
2:41
of New Nations, it was by no
2:43
means a deceptive title. It
2:45
introduced the leaders of all these former
2:48
European colonies like Kenyatta,
2:51
Sengor, Balewa, Nkrumah, Muamad
2:53
V, and Nasser as
2:55
well. And also included
2:57
in the new edition that I read was
3:00
the story of the president of
3:03
Tanzania, Julius Nereri. He's
3:05
respectfully called Mwalimo Julius Nereri. Muamimo
3:07
is a Swahili word that means
3:10
teacher. So it was in that
3:12
book, Leaders of New Nations that
3:14
found its way into my middle
3:17
school library that I first read his
3:19
name. And because of
3:21
my early stamp collecting, I already knew
3:23
of the colonial past of the United
3:25
Republic of Tanzania and that it used
3:27
to be called Tanganyika. So
3:29
I was aware of Julius Nereri from reading this
3:32
book, and I read it with this pre-existing
3:34
interest and awareness about Africa. And
3:36
later on in the late 70s
3:39
and early 80s, when I used to
3:41
read all those old China
3:44
pictorial Beijing review and
3:46
other magazines, they always
3:48
seemed to have some
3:50
article about Tanzania. And even
3:52
back then, I noticed they
3:55
sure loved Nereri in China.
3:57
Julius Nilei are. And from
3:59
the earliest times Tanzania
4:02
always seemed to be held up as the
4:04
most model of friends as
4:06
far as relations between Africa and the
4:08
PRC went. I
4:11
had one other minor Tanzanian
4:13
nexus in my life when I
4:15
studied Chinese political science at the
4:18
University of Illinois under professor emeritus
4:20
George T. Yu. He wrote
4:22
a book that came out in 1970 that
4:25
was very big in its day
4:28
called China and Tanzania a study
4:30
in cooperation and he
4:32
was a respected scholar of China
4:34
and Africa and Tanzania in particular
4:36
so he opened my eyes wider
4:38
as to the importance of this
4:41
aspect of China's global relations and
4:43
I actually contacted him last year
4:45
he's in his early 90s now
4:48
and more than 40 years
4:50
after I took his classes I wrote
4:52
to him and you know sort of reminded
4:55
him who I was and encapsulated the
4:57
entirety of my China career and a
4:59
few sentences and I told him about the
5:02
China history podcast and how much I
5:04
appreciated all he taught me and he
5:06
wrote me back too. So with
5:08
Dr. Yu's area of specialization of
5:11
Tanzania in mind I thought
5:14
let's focus on China, East
5:16
Africa, the 1950s, 60s and 70s and the role Wailimu
5:22
Julius Nureri played during this
5:24
time as it related to
5:26
China. Tanzania could serve
5:28
as a microcosm for the much bigger
5:30
picture that was going on in post-colonial
5:33
Africa and all the liberation movements to
5:36
rid the continent of the
5:38
blight of colonialism and imperialism.
5:41
I know most of you already know
5:43
this but for those who never looked
5:45
closely at this nation of Tanzania before
5:48
it's located on the east coast
5:50
of Africa with Kenya to the northeast
5:52
sharing a coastline and to
5:54
the northwest is Uganda. Mozambique
5:56
borders the south and the islands
5:59
of Zanzibar, and Pemba are off
6:01
the coast of Tanzania. Zanzibar is accessible
6:03
by ferry from Dar es Salaam in
6:05
under two hours. It's not that far
6:07
off the coast. And
6:10
bordering Tanzania to the northwest are
6:13
Rwanda and Burundi, just below
6:15
Uganda. And bordering Tanzania
6:17
to the west and southwest are
6:20
the Democratic Republic of Congo and
6:23
Zambia and Malawi, seven countries
6:25
in all. You
6:28
heard me mention more than a few
6:30
times about the Ming Dynasty, Admiral Zheng
6:32
He, sailing his treasure fleets as far
6:34
as the Swahili coast, to ports
6:37
in Kenya and Tanzania. Well,
6:39
Swahili had served as a
6:42
kind of lingua franca for
6:44
that whole trading region that was
6:46
once dominated by Persian, Arab,
6:49
and Indian traders. Today,
6:51
Swahili is Tanzania's national language
6:53
with English and Swahili being
6:55
the official ones. Swahili
6:58
is a Bantu based language
7:00
with heavy Arabic, Persian, and
7:02
Portuguese influence. Over 60 million
7:05
people live in Tanzania today, about
7:09
63% Christian, 34% Muslim.
7:11
The country is famous
7:13
for Mount Kilimanjaro, Serengeti
7:15
National Park, Lake Tanganyika,
7:18
Lake Victoria, and copious
7:21
reserves of all
7:23
the minerals and metals that all developed
7:26
countries love. It ranks 121st in the
7:28
FIFA men's ranking, 146 for the women's
7:30
team. So
7:34
let's quickly look at Julius Nerere's bio
7:36
and get a sense of post-World War
7:38
I, World War II, Africa. And we
7:40
could use our perfect 2020
7:44
vision that we enjoy today in 2024, and look back on that
7:48
time and perhaps gain
7:51
a little context. That same old ideological
7:53
struggle that goes on today to win
7:55
the hearts and minds of the Lao
7:57
Bai Xing of all African nations. Nothing
8:00
new, as Lucian would have said about
8:02
these kinds of things. Old
8:05
wine, new bottle. To
8:07
refresh your memory, following the
8:09
historic 19th century scramble for Africa
8:11
and the Berlin Conference, 1885, though
8:15
the Belgians got there first, Germany
8:17
had ruled Tanganyika since then. They
8:20
had also cut a bunch of deals
8:22
with local tribal chieftains, and as
8:25
colonial masters they did well for
8:27
themselves. There was no picnic living
8:29
under German colonial rule. But
8:32
following Germany's defeat in World War I,
8:34
they lost all their colonies. These
8:37
were today's nations of
8:39
Namibia, Togo, Ghana, Cameroon,
8:41
and the jewel in
8:43
their colonial crown, German
8:45
East Africa. These
8:47
included the nations of present-day Burundi,
8:49
Rwanda, and Tanzania. As
8:51
we all read in high school, to
8:53
prevent such a cataclysm as World War
8:55
I from ever happening again, the League
8:58
of Nations was established. When
9:00
they met, it was decided
9:02
that all these former German colonies
9:05
should be handed over to the victorious
9:07
allies. These allies, according to
9:09
the terms of the Treaty of Versailles,
9:12
were mandated to assist these
9:15
former German colonies assigned to them
9:17
and guide them along the yellow
9:19
brick road to self-government
9:21
and independence. German
9:24
East Africa went to Great Britain, so
9:26
did Ghana. South Africa
9:28
got Namibia, Cameroon and Togo went
9:31
to France. Maybe it
9:33
was because of all that coveted mineral wealth
9:35
beneath the ground. Maybe there were other reasons,
9:37
but you can be sure in no time
9:40
at all, the ones
9:42
holding the mandate were carrying out
9:44
a go-slow policy in the direction
9:46
of self-government. And there were local
9:48
residents of those nations who rose
9:51
to the fore in the 1950s and articulated
9:54
the aspirations of many
9:56
African people who were wondering what
9:59
Was taking. So long to obtain
10:01
self rule. So. Julius near
10:03
Airy was one of these men. Right
10:06
man at the right time. Top
10:08
your communication skills educated, good
10:10
looking, charismatic but not flashy and
10:12
a man of the people. He
10:15
attended college and Kampala Uganda
10:17
that have an association with
10:19
the University of London and
10:21
their income. Paula He. Was.
10:24
Exposed to all the. Despised.
10:27
Aspects of Colonialism and the
10:29
African Liberation movements, and as
10:31
we've seen in China, universities
10:33
were often the incubators for
10:35
young people to acquire passions
10:37
for causes. And. Nineteen
10:39
Forty Six This. Twenty.
10:42
Four year old son of a
10:44
tribal chief know where he received
10:46
his diploma in return home to
10:48
Tanganyika. And. Following the end of
10:50
World War Two, Tanganyika went from being
10:52
a mandate to a trust territory, and
10:54
the British were signaling they were fine
10:56
with the whole self rule thing. as
10:58
soon as the tongue and eakins were
11:00
ready, nearing. Was
11:02
brought up as Roman Catholic and taught at
11:04
a mission school for a while. And.
11:07
Acting forty nine, he received a
11:09
scholarship to attend the University of
11:11
Edinburgh. The. First tongue and
11:13
cheek and to be accorded dishonor and
11:16
you can be sure he had plenty
11:18
of opportunities to school himself on world
11:20
events and. Political.
11:22
And economic ideologies in there
11:24
and Edinburgh. Julius know very
11:26
first learned about socialism and
11:29
found this to be a
11:31
holy suitable system for Tanganyika.
11:33
The. After receiving his masters in
11:36
history, returned to Tanganyika. Nineteen Fifty
11:38
Two taught high school for a
11:40
stretch until he decided to. Devote.
11:43
His energies whole time to the
11:46
struggle for tongue and cheek and
11:48
independence. He. Joined
11:50
a local social club that he
11:52
converted into a political organization called
11:54
the Tanganyika Africa National Union. or
11:57
time knew. This. was in
11:59
july nineteen And he
12:02
rolled up his sleeves and hit
12:04
the road traveling throughout the country
12:07
and preaching the message of Tanganyikin's
12:09
self-determination and to urge the
12:12
people to put nation
12:14
over tribe and to unite to
12:16
overthrow colonial rule. In 1955,
12:18
Nerere visited the US and was
12:20
able to get some FaceTime with
12:22
the Trusteeship Council of the United
12:25
Nations. There he was able to
12:27
urge them to hurry up with the whole
12:29
independence thing and getting Tanganyika admitted to the
12:31
UN. The time had come, World War II
12:33
had been over for a decade and when
12:35
he went back the following year in 1956,
12:39
he spoke before the UN General Assembly
12:41
where he demanded some dates and time
12:44
tables for Tanganyika and the dependents. The
12:47
British threw him a bone and let him
12:49
in the back door to fill a vacant
12:51
seat in the Legislative Council, but it didn't
12:53
take long for Nerere to figure out he
12:55
was spinning his wheels and
12:58
that he wasn't even in the same bed
13:00
as the British, let alone having completely different
13:02
dreams. But elections did
13:04
get held in 1958 and
13:06
Tanu candidates won all 30 seats,
13:09
becoming the most important
13:11
political force in Tanganyika. And
13:13
this ultimately led the next
13:16
year, 1959, to a vote
13:18
to allow self-government for Tanganyika.
13:21
Then as the main force behind Tanu, Julius
13:23
Nerere had been made Chief Minister in 1960.
13:27
The US State Department was hot to
13:30
get to know this up-and-comer and invited
13:32
him to visit. They were interested
13:34
to perhaps see how he could fit into
13:36
their Africa dream. He
13:39
spent five weeks in the US
13:41
and went on a coast-to-coast schmoozefest
13:43
meeting government officials and many
13:46
VIPs in the American Pan-African
13:48
Movement and other groups, getting the
13:50
word out and spreading his
13:52
message. And on December 9,
13:54
1961, Tanganyika had its Independence Day. The
14:00
new national flag was raised atop
14:03
Mount Kilimanjaro and above the newly
14:05
built National Stadium. And. Five days
14:07
later, Tanganyika, Became the
14:10
one hundred and fourth member of the
14:12
United Nations. Seven.
14:15
Weeks later, julius Nyerere he
14:17
resigned as prime minister after
14:19
reality set in and all
14:21
the. Rancid. An
14:23
unsightly aspects of the Game of
14:25
Politics said and also. He
14:28
step back and turned his attention to
14:30
remaking time new into something other than
14:32
what it had become, giving it a
14:35
new sense of purpose. And.
14:37
Prior to resigning, he had arranged to
14:39
sixty seven million dollar loan from the
14:41
World Bank. Now. Of course
14:44
that's chicken feed compared to
14:46
the numbers in today's glittery
14:48
Br I context, but near
14:50
every new. Tanganyika, Problems
14:52
were never going to be solved by
14:55
and she owes foreign aid and. Development.
14:57
Loans the heavy lifting.
15:00
Had to be done by the people
15:02
themselves. The country was being held down
15:05
by the same evil forces that held
15:07
all developing countries back. Poverty.
15:10
Ignorance and disease. And.
15:12
You're very look to the one saying
15:14
that drew all the European colonial as
15:16
to the African continent. As.
15:19
Tank. And Ecos potential savior and
15:21
that was of course mineral extraction.
15:23
In using those. Underground
15:25
Riches to lift up the tongue
15:28
and cheek and economy. Tanked.
15:30
And Yeager had all the
15:32
good stuff back then: gold
15:34
diamonds call uranium, nickel and
15:36
copper. Zanzibar. Had
15:38
historically been the center of the East
15:41
African slave trade. In. Modern history
15:43
at least the Portuguese for the
15:45
first Europeans to do that, saying
15:47
that Europeans tended to do back
15:49
then, gain a beachhead and then.
15:52
Force. themselves on the local inhabitants but
15:54
they were rejected and sixteen ninety eight
15:56
and zanzibar was taken over by the
15:59
sultanate of all Oman, and
16:01
a ruling Arab elite, controlled
16:03
Zanzibar economically and politically from
16:05
there on out. But
16:08
they, too, faced hard times when mid-19th
16:10
century the slave trade became so odious
16:12
that it was being abolished all over
16:14
the world. And
16:16
with the slave trade being to Zanzibar,
16:18
what oil is to Saudi Arabia, well,
16:21
this hit them hard. By
16:23
1890, Zanzibar and the other
16:25
main island of Pemba were protectorates
16:27
of Great Britain. Who
16:30
were they protecting? Well, the Sultan,
16:32
that's who. He stayed in power,
16:34
and other than the slave trade
16:36
being abolished and strictly enforced, it
16:38
was business as usual there as
16:41
a trading entrepot. The Sultan
16:43
remained in power even after the British
16:45
terminated their protectorate in 1963, and
16:49
to quickly fast forward, a
16:51
constitutional monarchy that was established
16:53
to rule Zanzibar didn't
16:55
last long. On January 12, 1964,
16:57
less than a month before the
17:00
FAB 4 played Ed Sullivan, the
17:02
Zanzibar Revolution was carried out that
17:05
ousted the minority Arab Sultanate and
17:07
replaced it with an African-led socialist
17:10
government. There was
17:12
a little bit of bloodletting that followed in
17:14
the wake of this revolution. 20,000
17:17
mostly Arab, but also Indian residents
17:19
of Zanzibar were killed. The
17:22
Bulsara family were among the many people
17:25
who got caught up in the violence
17:27
of the Zanzibar Revolution and had to
17:29
flee the island. Mr.
17:31
and Mrs. Bulsara and prodigal
17:33
son, 18-year-old Farouk Bulsara, left
17:36
Zanzibar and flew to their new
17:38
home in Britain. And
17:40
then, 22 years later, as the
17:42
lead singer of Queen, Farouk Bulsara,
17:44
better known as Freddie Mercury, played
17:47
Wembley during the magic tour. In
17:49
April of 1964, Zanzibar merged with
17:52
Tanganyika. They joined the first three
17:54
letters of their respective country's name,
17:57
And that's how Tanzania came about. Hunger
18:00
Yuka Zanzibar. It was called
18:02
the United Republic of Tanganyika
18:04
in Zanzibar at first, but.
18:07
A consensus arose that thought it best
18:09
just to call the place Tanzania. And.
18:12
You can be sure and over.
18:14
And Beijing and the friendly confines
18:16
of the leadership compound and Jong
18:18
Nam Hi. Chairman. Mao,
18:20
Joanne Lie and the
18:22
entire Ccp leadership. Were.
18:25
Gazing intently at this situation
18:27
and Africa. By.
18:29
This time and Nineteen Sixty Four
18:31
the whole Great Leap Forward debacle
18:34
and Sam and had already happened.
18:36
Mao was laying low, taken as
18:38
lumps, being treated like a dead
18:40
ancestor, and jones and to make
18:42
a comeback. But. No matter
18:44
how tarnished his brand may have been,
18:46
he was still Chairman Mao. Maybe.
18:48
Not in the Us or other Western
18:51
nations, but in the Prc. That still
18:53
meant a lot. And mouse new
18:55
this and harnessing the power of these
18:58
masses of people who held him in
19:00
such high esteem. Was. Going
19:02
to be the cornerstone of his
19:04
return to power and right as
19:06
this was all happening over in
19:08
Africa. One. By one,
19:10
all these new nations were
19:13
created. Tenure achieved independence. And
19:15
nineteen sixty three. Malawi and
19:17
Zambia. Nineteen sixty four, Gambia.
19:19
Nineteen Sixty Five. And while
19:22
Africa's leaders tried in vain
19:24
to. Stabilize. Their new
19:26
nations and crank up their
19:28
economies. Outside forces were still
19:31
there, just as they had always
19:33
been. Going back to Vasco da
19:35
Gama in the Portuguese and Forty
19:37
Ninety Eight to engage in their
19:39
great game. And. It was
19:41
into this whole dynamic of
19:43
the Soviet Union, the United
19:46
States, Britain, France, and other
19:48
smaller players all mucking about.
19:50
That. China also through their hat
19:53
into the African ring. Even
19:55
after that rubbing he had to
19:57
take for is great Leap Forward
20:00
mile and the eyes of many
20:02
leaders of new African nations and
20:04
leaders of the liberation. France was
20:07
like a rock star. Freddie Mercury,
20:09
P and nothing on Chairman Mao
20:11
and Maoism was enthusiastically embraced by
20:14
many of these African leaders, politicians
20:16
and revolutionaries. They
20:18
also had to take stock of
20:21
their own countries situation and look
20:23
to other political and economic models
20:25
to choose the best path forward.
20:27
and mouse particular siren song of.
20:30
Anti colonial, anti west self.
20:33
reliance. Im a bit of
20:35
the old ultra violence if
20:37
necessary. Really resonated with
20:40
many from their perch and
20:42
subsaharan Africa. What wasn't
20:44
a like. And all
20:46
these new African nations where the
20:48
bells of the ball early on.
20:51
No. One quarter them more aggressively than
20:53
mouth. This went back to the April
20:55
Nineteen Fifty Five band on conference and.
20:58
Co. And lies five principles
21:01
for peaceful coexistence. You.
21:04
Know all the contentious issues
21:06
today related to China's engagements
21:08
and Africa in the West.
21:10
Casting doubt on their intentions.
21:12
Went back to the band
21:14
on conference. Same sniping, just
21:16
different words but mile look
21:19
to Africa. And. New
21:21
a good thing when he saw. It. And. With
21:23
his own country still and split
21:25
pants and trying to make it's
21:27
way in the world, Mouse needed
21:29
friends and these post colonial nations.
21:31
And where the lowest hanging fruits out there. China.
21:35
Sunk. A lot of money into
21:37
their African adventure during the nineteen sixties
21:39
and seventies. He back then Santa was
21:42
up pauper compared to now. Just.
21:44
In the past two decades, scientists
21:46
invested more than one hundred and
21:49
fifty billion dollars an African infrastructure
21:51
another big projects. But. Back
21:53
and mouse day he had a little
21:55
coin purse compared to what seat and
21:57
paying has at his disposal to the.
22:00
But despite all that, they
22:02
invested heavily in Africa. Let
22:05
me quote from the great Julia Lovell's
22:08
book on Maoism. She was quoting an
22:10
internal PLA document that pretty much sums
22:12
up how the party looked
22:14
at all this. Quote, Africa
22:16
itself looks like the seven warring
22:18
states. It is a
22:20
huge political exhibition where a hundred
22:23
flowers are truly blooming, waiting there
22:25
for anyone to pick. Africa
22:28
is now both the center of
22:30
the anti-colonialist struggle and the center
22:32
for East and West to fight
22:34
for control of an intermediary zone.
22:37
We must tell them, in order to help them,
22:40
about the revolutionary experience of the
22:42
communists in this generation. In Africa,
22:46
we do no harm to anyone.
22:48
We introduce no illusions, for all
22:50
we say is true. And
22:54
even though money was tight, just like
22:56
the big, glitzy, folk-hack events of our
22:58
day, the Chinese of
23:00
Mao's generation rolled out the vermilion
23:03
carpet for their African comrades. High-profile
23:06
meetings, banquets, photo ops
23:08
with all the top
23:11
first-generation CCP stars, Chairman
23:13
Mao, Premier Zhou, Liu
23:15
Shao-chi, Chen Yi, Ye
23:17
Jianying, Deng Xiaoping. During
23:20
the first half of 1960, more
23:22
than a hundred representatives from Africa
23:24
had beaten a path to Mao's
23:26
door, hoping some of that magic
23:28
might rub off on them. It
23:31
all began for East Africa with a
23:34
man named Abdul Rahman Mohammed Babu. He
23:36
was the Secretary General of the Zanzibar Nationalist
23:39
Party, and he got the ball rolling in
23:41
1959 with his first visit to the PRC.
23:46
Abdul Rahman Mohammed Babu initiated the relationship
23:49
with China and made multiple trips there
23:51
in 1963 and 1964, paving
23:55
the way for the presidential visit of
23:58
Julius Nereri in 1963. Babu
24:02
was a China friend and all that
24:04
that meant. He received the full
24:06
treatment when he was there and took
24:08
it all in. And everything he
24:11
saw with his own eyes and all
24:13
the lectures, he brought it
24:15
back to Zanzibar and became Chairman
24:17
Mao's one-man PR firm. And
24:20
thanks to Babu's sincere and useful
24:22
friendship, the Chinese government warmly welcomed
24:24
students who came to China and
24:26
got the same orientation to the
24:28
Chinese way. And they went back
24:31
to Zanzibar and talked their experience
24:33
up and delivered glowing reports about
24:35
China. And they advocated for looking
24:37
to the PRC as
24:40
Zanzibar's development model. And after the
24:42
spring of 1964 and Zanzibar's
24:45
union with Tanganyika and the
24:47
beginning of Tanzania history, over
24:50
on the East African mainland side,
24:52
they got to hear all about how great
24:55
China was too. In
24:57
1964, the so-called Zhou Enlai
24:59
African Safari took place. That
25:02
was what many people called it. Premier
25:04
Zhou went on a seven-week,
25:06
ten-nation tour of Africa, visiting
25:09
all the independent countries
25:11
between December 1963, right after
25:14
the Kennedy assassination, and February
25:16
1964. This
25:20
was the first time someone this high
25:22
up in the PRC government had ever
25:24
visited the African continent. It
25:26
was a 50-person delegation, including
25:28
foreign minister and PLA legend
25:30
Chen Yi. During
25:33
this trip, during a visit to
25:35
Somalia, Zhou announced his eight principles
25:37
for aid to Africa. They
25:40
were, China always bases itself
25:42
on the principle of equality and
25:44
mutual benefit in providing aid to
25:46
other nations. China never
25:48
attaches any conditions or asks for
25:50
any privileges. China
25:53
helps lighten the burden of recipient countries
25:55
as much as possible, help
25:57
recipient countries to gradually achieve self-reliance.
26:00
and independent development, and strive
26:02
to develop aid projects that
26:04
require less investment, but yield
26:06
quicker results, and provide the
26:08
best quality equipment and materials
26:10
of its own manufacture. And
26:13
in providing technical assistance, China shall
26:15
see to it that the personnel
26:17
of the recipient country fully
26:19
master such techniques. And
26:21
last, the Chinese experts are not
26:23
allowed to make any special demands
26:25
or enjoy any special amenities. So
26:29
everything we see today with respect
26:31
to China's engagement with Africa all
26:34
goes back to this Joe Enlai
26:36
trip of late 1963. Because
26:43
of the January 12, 1964
26:46
Zanzibar Revolution and later discord in
26:48
the Tanzanian military, Joe had to
26:50
pass on his visit to Dar
26:52
es Salaam. And a
26:54
few months after he was back in
26:56
Beijing, the PRC extended diplomatic ties to
26:58
Tanzania on April 26, 1964. And
27:03
in June 1964, Babu and
27:05
Tanzania Vice President Kawawa went
27:07
to Beijing and signed an
27:09
agreement with 320 million shillings
27:11
worth of development aid. Today,
27:14
the Tanzanian shilling is
27:16
about $2,500 to the US dollar.
27:19
Not sure what it was back
27:21
then. But things continued to warm
27:23
up and in October
27:25
1964, Tanzania
27:27
opened an embassy in Beijing. And
27:30
right about here is
27:33
when Julius Nereri really began
27:35
to create some controversy in
27:37
the West, especially among Anglo-American
27:40
elites. Same old thing, he was
27:42
trying not to get forced into declaring
27:44
for any side in the African
27:47
great game surreptitiously playing out
27:49
all around him. 1965
27:52
was as polarized a world as it had ever been since
27:54
World War II. And like 2024, not a peaceful time at
27:56
all. Vietnam
28:00
War, the Indo-Pakistani War,
28:02
the Dominican War, and the
28:06
ever-simmering Middle Eastern pot. Western
28:08
nations saw how well Julius
28:10
Nerere was getting on with
28:12
his new Chinese friends and
28:15
kicking the tires of socialism. So
28:17
Babu took care of
28:19
all the necessary groundwork to prepare
28:22
for Julius Nerere's China visit in
28:24
1965. Once
28:27
Julius Nerere touched down in Beijing,
28:30
there were plenty of photo-op moments. He
28:32
got to meet everyone and signed a
28:34
10-year friendship treaty with the PRC, and
28:37
during this inaugural visit Nerere
28:39
was swept off his feet by what he
28:41
saw. It was a very
28:43
choreographed visit, but nothing new there, and
28:45
after he had taken it all in,
28:48
he was sold on the idea that this Maoist
28:52
model of agrarian development and
28:54
organization was the one that
28:56
was right for Tanzania. It
28:58
was anti-colonialist, anti-imperialist, stressed
29:01
self-reliance, austerity, and the
29:04
dignity of peasant labor.
29:07
For a poor developing country like Tanzania,
29:10
this kind of model was more
29:12
realistic than other development models. And
29:15
for the next 10 years,
29:17
Mwalymoo Julius Nerere held high
29:19
China's banner in Africa, and
29:21
in return the PRC, again not sitting
29:24
on the kind of sovereign wealth that
29:26
they have today, was very
29:28
generous with Tanzania. At
29:31
his meeting with Zhou, Liu
29:33
Shaoqi, and Mao, Nerere had
29:36
his moment to present his
29:38
big ask from China. This
29:40
was a big one. It
29:42
concerned a proposed project called
29:44
the Tanzan Railway, Tanzania Zambia
29:46
Railway. October 24, 1964, Zambia, formerly
29:48
northern Rhodesia,
29:52
gained independence from Great Britain. Back
29:55
then, Nerere and Zambian President Kenneth
29:57
Kaunda were in discussion about a
30:00
rail line that could bypass the
30:02
British controlled line that went through
30:04
Rhodesia and South Africa. If
30:06
Zambia could ship its copper to the
30:09
port of Dar es Salaam, well, they
30:11
could bypass that odious former colonial option.
30:14
January 1967, Kenneth
30:16
Colunda visited China and discussed the
30:19
project further. And then later that
30:21
year in September, the
30:23
three sides signed the agreement to
30:25
build the railway, a 988 million
30:28
RMB interest free loan to
30:31
be repaid between 1973 and 2013.
30:35
Today, this line
30:37
is known as the Tanzanian
30:39
Zambian Railway Authority or Tansara.
30:41
It was originally a
30:44
1860 kilometer railway single
30:46
track and this project was
30:48
the largest most high profile
30:51
overseas aid project for China
30:53
up to that time. It
30:55
was comparable in profile and
30:57
significance to the Kenyan standard
30:59
gauge railway of our day.
31:02
It was touted as the Great Uhuru or
31:04
Freedom Railway when it was built between April
31:06
1970 and 1975 at a cost of $406
31:08
million. That's a little over $3
31:15
billion in today's much inflated dollars. Building
31:19
a railway is not usually such a
31:21
big deal, but this one was when
31:24
it was announced. China got to give
31:26
the US and USSR the
31:28
middle finger where this project was
31:30
concerned. And the same could be
31:33
said of colonialism and neocolonialism. At
31:36
this time when the Tanzan railway
31:38
was announced, the Sino-Soviet split was
31:40
an afterburner and all western development
31:43
banks who had been approached sat
31:46
on their hands when the Tanzanian
31:48
and Zambian finance ministers tried to
31:50
drum up interest for this project.
31:54
And as can be often said today,
31:56
there were less strings attached to the
31:58
loans when dealing with China compared compared
32:00
to what the IMF and World Bank
32:02
were offering. Needless to
32:04
say, there was a whole lot of scoffing
32:06
going on in the west about the prospects
32:09
of this railway and the mess
32:11
that China was surely going to make of it.
32:14
One of the better known quotes from
32:16
Julius Nerreri that still reverberates today concerned
32:18
the provenance of the development
32:20
aid and the financing for the
32:23
Tanzan Railway. He said, quote, all
32:25
the money in the world is either red
32:27
or blue. I do not have
32:29
my own green money. So where can I get some
32:32
from? I'm not taking a Cold
32:34
War position. All I want is the money
32:36
to build it. End quote. You'll
32:38
hear variations of that sentiment in all
32:41
corners of the world today. Nerreri
32:43
was just looking out for Tanzania.
32:45
He was very wary of falling
32:48
in between these Cold
32:50
War tectonic plates that by
32:53
their very nature could inadvertently cause so
32:56
much pain to his country. To
32:59
build the Tanzan Railway, China was
33:02
willing to show a level of
33:04
generosity that astounded everyone. It
33:07
sent shockwaves through the world
33:09
of development aid, infrastructure financing,
33:11
and construction. It
33:13
cost Mao an arm and a leg,
33:15
but the message it sent the west,
33:17
who weren't showing the PRC any respect,
33:19
was huge. This was China's
33:21
biggest ever project of its kind in
33:23
the third world, and it broadcast a
33:25
message to the newly independent countries of
33:27
Africa trying to find their way in
33:29
the cruel world who their
33:32
friend was. It's well
33:34
documented that tens of thousands of
33:36
Chinese workers, cadres, and experts who
33:39
were sent to work on this project committed
33:41
the same cultural faux pas
33:43
as everyone else in our time. In
33:46
the 1950s, when the Soviets
33:48
had sent their experts to China,
33:50
language and cultural differences created a
33:52
lot of tension and misunderstandings.
33:54
And now with PRC
33:57
experts in Tanzania, even with all
33:59
the mutual enthusiasm for their new
34:02
ties. Few among the
34:04
masses on both sides had degrees in
34:06
African or Chinese studies. So
34:09
like it is today and probably
34:11
forever, there were a lot of
34:14
hard feelings bubbling beneath the surface.
34:17
While I was working on this episode, I got
34:19
a notice from the USC China
34:23
Institute about a postdoctoral fellow,
34:25
Dr. Kun Huang, who
34:28
had just given a talk about the
34:30
subject of this railway as a Cold
34:33
War era symbol of China-Africa
34:35
friendship. She also explored the
34:37
matters of race and how
34:40
cross-cultural misunderstandings created a certain
34:42
dynamic. Sorry, I missed that one.
34:45
Anyway, getting this railway built was a
34:47
brave and Herculean effort with
34:50
plenty of drama and tragic
34:52
losses of life. But
34:55
it got built despite all
34:57
the planning and engineering mistakes.
34:59
Mao wasn't shy about telling
35:01
Nerari that. He was tightening
35:03
his own belt in China and forsaking
35:05
development in his own country for
35:08
the sake of socialist solidarity and their
35:10
common struggle. And most of that was
35:12
probably true. As far as
35:14
Maoism and Mao Zedong thought, the
35:17
chairman was naturally a true believer.
35:19
And he liked how no small
35:21
number of Africans looked at him
35:24
as some kind of deity whose
35:26
ideology would liberate Africa. So between
35:28
this and the aid that was
35:30
coming in, it all gained the
35:33
PRC some serious
35:36
anti-colonial street cred with
35:38
all the main beneficiaries
35:40
of their efforts. 1960s,
35:42
PRC started sending medical and
35:44
agricultural outreach programs similar to
35:47
the Peace Corps. And they
35:49
also supplied military training and
35:51
aid to African liberation groups,
35:54
including the ANC. PRC
35:56
operatives work closely with the
35:59
anti-colonial colonial freedom fighters, the
36:01
medical teams in particular were
36:03
a walking, talking, pro-CCP, pro-Mao,
36:07
pro-PRC public relations machine.
36:10
Mao was banking on all-out revolution
36:13
in Africa. He
36:15
looked at China's experiences and saw
36:17
that the same rogues gallery of
36:19
imperialists who pushed China around were
36:21
now doing more or less the
36:23
same with most of these African
36:26
nations. Mao's eyes, the ground, didn't
36:28
get any more fertile than Africa in the 1960s and 70s,
36:32
and the common struggle against the
36:34
western imperialists was the atomic force
36:36
that bound the African nations with
36:39
the PRC. Mao
36:41
dipped his toe in the water with
36:43
early support he gave to the FLN,
36:45
or National Liberation Front, who was given
36:48
La France, a lot of
36:50
grief in the Algerian War of Independence.
36:53
Mao was going to play the
36:55
long game here with respect to
36:57
spreading Maoist internationalism and reaching
36:59
out to all these newly independent African
37:02
nations. Despite the
37:04
dire needs of PRC citizens,
37:07
Mao dedicated a lot of very
37:09
limited resources to spreading his message
37:11
and supporting all the liberation movements
37:13
still fighting for independence.
37:16
Mao's eyes were on the prize. He
37:19
wanted the PRC to rightfully gain
37:21
admittance to the UN, including the
37:23
seat on the Security Council. One
37:25
nation, one vote. Those
37:27
newly independent nations, as they were admitted
37:29
to the UN, one by one,
37:32
slowly began to
37:34
tilt the scales of membership in favor
37:36
of the PRC. And
37:39
if Eric and Cobus had their show back in the 1960s,
37:41
they'd think the 2020s were a
37:44
case of deja vu all over again.
37:46
No one was using the term debt-trap
37:48
diplomacy yet, but all this
37:51
early PRC assistance and engagement with
37:53
Africa was scoffed at by the
37:56
West, and China's intentions were always
37:58
portrayed in a most nefarious
38:00
light. Between the
38:02
PRC and their western detractors,
38:04
the African people all got
38:07
PhDs in propaganda and a free
38:09
survey course in Rhetoric 101. African
38:13
nations weren't being asked to take sides any
38:15
more than they're being asked to take sides
38:17
today. That is to say, the
38:19
request to choose sides was implicit. Same
38:22
back then as it is now, and
38:24
the African reaction hasn't changed much since
38:26
then either. Each nation, depending
38:29
on their particular circumstances, only
38:32
cared for what was best for them.
38:34
Who was the geopolitical beneficiary? That
38:37
wasn't a deciding factor. In
38:39
that old book from 1968, Leaders
38:42
of New Nations, there was a sentence
38:44
that stuck out that kind of showed
38:46
how the West and certainly the US
38:48
viewed China's engagement with Africa. It went,
38:50
quote, many communists from
38:53
Zanzibar came to the mainland after
38:55
the so-called Union, and perhaps paved
38:57
the way for the heavy Chinese
39:00
assistance program in Tanzania. This
39:02
communist assistance to Tanzania has worried
39:05
the neighboring states of Kenya and
39:07
Uganda, who see it as a
39:09
threat to East Africa. USA,
39:12
USSR, the PRC, they were all
39:14
looking for the same thing to
39:16
varying degrees. As much as all
39:19
three tended to play their African
39:21
partners for fools sometimes, politicians
39:24
in the African nations were wise to
39:26
the whole dynamic of the 1960s and
39:28
70s and masterfully
39:31
played the three main contenders off against
39:33
each other. The Mao
39:35
generation, dealt in chump change
39:38
compared to the PRC of the Xi
39:40
Jinping era, but regardless of the size
39:42
of Chinese largesse in Africa, Mao
39:45
too had to deal with
39:47
bad loans, debt refinancing, budget
39:49
overruns on infrastructure projects, and
39:51
always reacting to unexpected and
39:53
unanticipated bumps in the road
39:56
that ultimately meant
39:58
delays in projects and more
40:00
money needed. And like
40:02
you'll hear today on the African side,
40:04
they fumed occasionally about shoddy
40:07
workmanship and being taken advantage
40:09
of. The ROI
40:12
was a mixed bag for China depending on which
40:14
African nation you wanted to zero in on. In
40:16
the end, Mao didn't
40:19
get what he really wanted. The people
40:21
of the African countries by the
40:23
1970s, by and large, said, thanks
40:25
for the aid and the spiritual
40:27
support and providing the model to
40:30
emulate. But when it came to
40:32
the Marxism, Leninism, Mao Zedong thought
40:34
part, they said, thanks, but no
40:36
thanks. Well,
40:38
May 25, 1966, Nie
40:41
Yuanze pasted her dazu bao on the
40:44
campus of Peking University, and that's often
40:46
pointed to as the start of the
40:48
Cultural Revolution. 1966 to 1968 were
40:50
the main years, and in Tanzania, 1967
40:57
and elsewhere in Africa, they too
40:59
got all caught up in the
41:01
optimism and revolutionary fervor. And
41:03
as I said, Nie Rari saw merit
41:06
in the Chinese model and believed with
41:08
modifications, of course, that it could work
41:10
in Tanzania's specific case. 1965, 1966, 1967
41:14
were the glory days
41:17
of the relationship between Julius Nie Rari
41:19
and the first generation of
41:22
CCP leaders. On
41:24
February 5, 1967, Nie Rari
41:27
announced the Arusha Declaration and
41:30
its centerpiece policy of Ujama.
41:33
It was Tanu's signature program.
41:36
Ujama was a Maoist
41:38
social and economic revolution
41:40
heavy on self-reliance. As
41:43
Mao believed it would happen in China,
41:45
Nie Rari also believed that through collective
41:47
hard work, the Tanzanian
41:50
people were going to transform agricultural
41:52
development and lift up the nation's
41:54
fortunes and the people along with
41:57
it. The Excitement
41:59
of Mao's. Thought and all
42:01
the slogans and meanings behind the
42:03
cultural revolution spilled over into Tanzania.
42:06
Mile badges were worn. Many of
42:08
the symbols of the Cultural revolution
42:11
were all enthusiastically embraced by many
42:13
in Tanzania. The Little Red Book.
42:16
In. English and Swahili was everywhere and
42:18
just like mom had red guards
42:20
know very also had his own
42:22
use who. Acted. As coerce
42:25
errors and enforcers of time,
42:27
new party rules even started.
42:29
Mouse suit said official events.
42:31
Tanzania. Government officials were made
42:34
to live like keto. Austere,
42:36
frugal, know conspicuous wealth. never
42:38
he demanded that they had
42:40
to set an example. He.
42:42
Went all out as far as
42:44
embracing these Mao Was policies and
42:47
for this he was just. Castigated
42:50
by western reporters and
42:52
government spokespersons, The.
42:54
Bookstores and Dar Es Salaam
42:56
were flooded with Chinese titles
42:58
and English translated into Swahili
43:01
and other languages. Radio programs
43:03
from China were also quite
43:05
popular. Maoism. Was.
43:08
Having It's Moment and Tanzania their
43:10
neighbor to the Northeast tenure and
43:12
was making a lotta noise about
43:14
this. Conspicuous. Chinese
43:17
presence there and what were they
43:19
up to? with respect. all this
43:21
transfer of Maoist ideology. In
43:23
for a penny and for a
43:25
pound near airy. Went ahead and
43:27
did the ultimate. He nationalised all
43:29
the banks, industries and mining of
43:32
minerals and metals near where he
43:34
shared mouse passion for the mass
43:36
line he to try to whip
43:38
up the enthusiasm of the masses
43:40
of peasants and get them on
43:42
board with this who drama program.
43:44
He. Wasn't conan great leap forward or anything,
43:46
but. I'm sure a lot of what
43:49
in your area was advocating for has a
43:51
familiar ring. Do it. When.
43:53
He first went to China nineteen sixty
43:55
five. The worst of the Great Leap
43:57
had already been cleaned up. Petty.
43:59
Com and nine. The And Sixty and toward
44:01
the countryside of Honan province. He
44:04
might have had second thoughts about the
44:06
policies he force fed his nation. For.
44:09
Now the golden time of
44:11
Sino, Tanzania and relations was
44:13
running at full throttle ebbed
44:15
last into the nineteen seventies.
44:18
One. Factor that slow the wheels
44:20
of progress was a lack of
44:22
Tanzanians who could speak Mandarin and
44:24
an equal lack of Chinese who
44:27
had a true working proficiency in
44:29
Swahili. English only works sometimes. Into
44:32
Nineteen Sixty Eight with Who Chama
44:34
in full swing. Some. People
44:36
were wondering if Tanzania was going
44:39
through it's own version of mouse
44:41
cultural revolution. New. Very Paid
44:43
another visit to the Prc and
44:45
that year and was of course
44:47
very warmly received. Numerous me ended
44:49
up having a similar problem is
44:51
mile. There. Was a sense to
44:53
whip the students and disaffected youth up
44:55
into a frenzy and get their hopes
44:57
ratcheted up and allow that a blow
44:59
off some steam. Well. It wasn't
45:01
so easy to cool these.
45:04
Nuclear fuel rods down once I
45:06
got ignited. And. Nineteen Sixty
45:08
Nine, the Chinese open their embassy
45:10
and Dar Es Salaam by the
45:12
following year, if they had become
45:14
the largest supplier of military assistance
45:17
to Tanzania, pushing Canada down into
45:19
second place. In. Nineteen
45:21
Seventy One, Six African nations
45:23
change their recognition from the Arrow
45:25
see to the Prc. That.
45:28
Year served as the tipping point. The.
45:30
Prc government and how had
45:32
the necessary two thirds majority?
45:35
October twenty fifth, Nineteen
45:37
Seventy One Twenty Six Session of
45:39
the Un General Assembly adopted resolution
45:41
To Seven Five Eight to restore
45:44
China seat at the Un. To.
45:46
The Prc. In. China received
45:48
seventy six of one hundred and
45:51
eleven votes, And twenty six of
45:53
those votes. Came from
45:55
African countries. Mouse. Investment
45:57
going back to the early sixties.
46:00
Paid. Off In the end. My
46:03
when the surviving leadership of the party what
46:05
was left of them in the waning years
46:07
with the Cultural Revolution, they knew they wouldn't
46:09
have been able to have their historic moment
46:12
at the Un. Without. The support
46:14
and votes of their. Hard.
46:16
One friends and allies have the
46:18
African Continent. Between. Nineteen
46:20
Seventy Three and Seventy Five,
46:22
Operation Fiji was carried out.
46:25
This carried a saint cent
46:27
of mouse failed policies of
46:29
collectivisation and agriculture back in
46:31
the nineteen fifties. Near
46:33
Aires New policy of. Force.
46:35
Village is a sin declared that anyone
46:38
who hadn't volunteered to be sent down
46:40
to the countryside back in Nineteen sixty
46:42
seven. Or. Now left with
46:44
no choice use were sent down to
46:46
the villages just like Mom had done
46:48
in China starting in December. Nineteen Sixty
46:50
eight. And. His
46:52
fourth visited the Prc and Nineteen
46:55
seventy Four Nary had said quote.
46:57
Two. Things convince me that socialism
46:59
can be built in Africa and
47:02
that it is not A utopian
47:04
vision for capitalism is ultimately incompatible
47:07
with the real independence of African
47:09
states. The. Second thing is
47:11
China is providing encouragement and
47:13
an inspiration for younger and
47:16
smaller nations which seek to
47:18
build socialist societies and quote.
47:21
In. Total Julius Nyerere. He
47:23
visited China thirteen times. The.
47:26
First passenger train of the
47:28
Ten Sam Railway arrived in
47:30
Dar Es Salaam. October first,
47:32
Nineteen seventy five. By then
47:34
who Jama was finished him.
47:36
Only lip service was being paid to
47:39
the ideals that represented. Though
47:41
nowhere near the catastrophe that China
47:43
faced. And Nineteen Fifty Nine Nineteen
47:45
Sixty. Who. Charm policies lead
47:47
to famine and increase poverty.
47:50
By. nineteen eighty three the ten sam
47:53
railway authorities had to cry out for
47:55
help the railways in never was able
47:57
to meet it's target operational capacity politics
48:00
and Cold War antics
48:02
pushed a lot of freight traffic
48:05
to competing transport lines. By the
48:07
1990s, fortunes of
48:09
this once heralded
48:11
project that showcased PRC Africa
48:13
friendship and cooperation began to
48:16
slide quickly. By the
48:19
2000s, the railway was for all intents
48:21
and purposes in disrepair, but
48:23
a showcase project such as this
48:25
that had such profound
48:27
significance back in the Mao era
48:29
was kept alive mostly with Chinese
48:31
money. And into our day, what
48:33
to do about Tanzara is still
48:36
hotly debated. There are packages for
48:38
tourists to ride this railway where
48:40
they can take in
48:42
some pretty incredible scenery and wildlife,
48:44
but that wasn't what Tanzan was
48:47
built for. But
48:49
just before I posted this episode to the
48:51
CHP feed, there's been a little bit of
48:53
excitement with respect to this historic railway. Back
48:56
in December, 2023, Chinese,
48:58
Tanzanian, and Zambian officials
49:00
began discussing a possible
49:03
billion dollar injection by the China
49:05
Development Bank to breathe new
49:07
life into Tazara. And
49:10
this came in response to some talk going
49:12
on about another railway link
49:14
under discussion with an American-led
49:16
consortium. The competition never ends.
49:19
Well, as long as the Africans make out
49:21
all right, it's really what's most important in
49:23
the end. Moelimo Julius
49:25
Nerere served five terms as president between 1960
49:28
and 1985. He was described as modest and
49:30
incorruptible, a
49:35
sharp contrast to past African leaders.
49:38
He's considered the father of the
49:40
country, but also had to
49:42
own up to trampling on human
49:44
rights, wrecking the economy, and all
49:47
the negative fallout from Ujama. Julius
49:50
Nerere's embrace of certain aspects
49:52
of Maoism and applying them
49:54
to Tanzania didn't work. Parts
49:57
of the Tanzanian economy got ravaged
49:59
by. The plunge in agricultural
50:01
productivity followed by the inevitable
50:04
droughts and famines. Who.
50:06
Jama. Really? Damaged
50:08
Nerys legacy. Most of the policies
50:10
are all on done in the
50:13
years following his retirement. While.
50:15
A More Julius Nyerere He died
50:17
on October fourteenth, Nineteen Ninety Nine
50:19
of leukemia. The. Nineteen
50:22
Nineties. Was. A period
50:24
when China heralded it's return to
50:26
Africa. This. Time around the
50:28
left all the mile was slogans
50:31
and emphasis on Maoism and revolution
50:33
behind and focus more on what
50:35
was more pressing to the Tanzania
50:37
and people. Investment poured in and
50:40
factories were built that employed great
50:42
numbers of workers. And
50:44
just as world importers look to China
50:47
as a source of cheap labor to
50:49
produce low price consumer goods, the same
50:51
went with how Chinese manufacturers and mining
50:54
companies view the African labor market. This
50:56
expose China to a lot of pushback
50:58
and the same old misunderstandings of the
51:01
nineteen sixties were being made again in
51:03
the nineties. There's
51:05
no formal treaty that binds Tanzania
51:08
and the Prc, but. Over.
51:10
The years through all the twists
51:12
and turns of history they both
51:14
this relationship with it's. Shared.
51:16
Past history that binds them and a
51:18
certain way for some her may even
51:21
be a little bit on the soldier
51:23
for the malware or. Last
51:26
year, China's first political school opened
51:28
in Africa, the first one of
51:30
it's kind established by China's Communist
51:32
Party. This was in February.
51:35
Twenty Twenty Two. It's. Called them
51:37
While The Mood Julius New Rarely Leadership
51:39
School. The. Organization behind the school
51:41
is. China's. Central Party School,
51:43
the gym Young Tongue shelf. They.
51:46
arranged for the forty million dollar
51:48
grants to build and operate the
51:50
school in our instrumental in the
51:52
ideological training that's offered their the
51:54
school is located in cuba her
51:56
tanzania an hour west of dar
51:58
es salaam students receive lectures
52:01
and are taught the party line
52:03
the CCP way the students
52:05
learn all the
52:07
basics leadership recruitment
52:10
propaganda organization administration
52:12
mass mobilization party
52:14
discipline anti-corruption and
52:16
party governance the
52:19
school was established in cooperation
52:21
with the six ruling liberation
52:23
movements the six FLMSA the
52:26
former liberation movements of southern
52:29
africa Tanzania Mozambique
52:31
Namibia Angola South
52:34
Africa and Zambia and
52:37
anyone interested to learn more about the
52:39
nation of Tanzania or about East Africa
52:41
or Africa in general no it's not
52:43
like it used to be there are
52:46
a cornucopia of available resources out
52:49
there on platforms all over the
52:51
world where you could learn and
52:53
explore to your heart's content and
52:56
if China's engagement in Africa and the
52:59
global south interests you in any way
53:02
once again Eric Cobus Giro the
53:04
China global south podcast I'm a
53:06
paid subscriber to their newsletter and
53:08
this allows me to keep my
53:10
finger on that China Africa
53:12
pulse okay
53:14
until the next time may both on
53:17
me this is a la so Montgomery
53:19
signing off from Los Angeles California my
53:21
eternal thanks as always for listening and
53:23
I hope you'll come back next time
53:26
for another exciting episode of
53:29
the China history podcast
Podchaser is the ultimate destination for podcast data, search, and discovery. Learn More