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1:06

How are you? I'm good. Well,

1:08

what a lot of fuss this is causing, isn't it?

1:10

Hello. Did you anticipate it to

1:12

have so much demand from the world? You're

1:14

off to America in a minute, aren't you?

1:17

Yeah. Talk about it. I am

1:19

for five days, New York on my own. All

1:21

right. So, obviously, the original interview, the News Night interview.

1:23

Actually, can you just frame it for us what goes

1:25

on? Yeah, so I

1:27

guess this story is about

1:30

the unsung heroes behind the

1:32

infamous Prince Andrew

1:34

News Night story. So it's

1:36

about how that interview found its way to

1:39

our screens and the level of work that

1:41

went into clinching it. And

1:43

I play Sam McAllister, who's the booker on

1:45

News Night. And she

1:48

is unlike anyone I've ever met.

1:51

You would love her. She's so vulnerable and

1:53

brilliant at the same time. Her

1:55

vulnerability is her superpower. And she works on News

1:57

Night as a sort of booker producer. So

2:00

what's the Booker for people who don't know? What is

2:02

a Booker? I guess it's the person who

2:06

suggests famous names or celebrities

2:08

or high profile people and then goes about

2:10

trying to get them on the show. Yeah

2:12

and on Newsnight that's a double-edged sword because

2:15

obviously she has one foot in the

2:17

popularity of populism camp and then she has

2:20

to have another foot in the news camp

2:22

and sort of shows like

2:24

Newsnight they want their cake

2:27

and be able to eat it at the same

2:29

time but they need to do the showbiz stuff

2:31

to say, not showbiz stuff but they need to

2:33

do the more popular stuff to say, get

2:37

an audience but they still have to have

2:39

the news agenda foundations

2:41

underneath it and she understood that but

2:43

they didn't really get the fact that

2:46

she understood it. Is that about right?

2:48

Yeah I think so. I think

2:50

she, I mean it's

2:53

why Prince Andrew is a perfect

2:56

person for that show because he

2:58

is a royal, a person of

3:02

huge profile and someone who has to be

3:04

held accountable for his behaviour.

3:07

So he kind of covers all those things. So that's the

3:12

ideal sort of booking. Otherwise

3:14

it's like people in

3:16

cultured stuff but also with a political

3:19

agenda so it's a really hard job

3:21

and it's made so much harder sort

3:23

of ping ponging between those two huge

3:26

British institutions.

3:29

There's red lines everywhere.

3:32

This drama is unbelievable. Get on to how good it is

3:34

in a moment or two. But there will have been so

3:36

much now that you may already have read about this and

3:39

seen in the newspapers but

3:41

during it all Sam permanently

3:43

thinks she's going to get fired doesn't she?

3:45

And she says it in the drama. Your

3:47

character says, you know, I spend half my

3:49

life thinking then we get fired worrying

3:51

to death, worrying myself sick I'm going to get

3:54

fired and then the other half wishing

3:56

they'd just get it over and done with because they can't

3:58

stand it anymore. like that. Yeah,

4:01

what can you show me? I know. Come

4:04

on, around. That's it, that's

4:06

it. That's where

4:10

we are. So, and she said obviously she

4:12

does exist, she did exist, she does exist,

4:14

she's since left the BBC, she works for

4:16

the London School of Economics. She does, and

4:18

she goes around doing tech talks and, I

4:20

mean, to be honest I think she'll

4:23

be doing a lot more. A lot more now.

4:25

This is her day in the South and she

4:27

has such an iconic energy that I think

4:29

she's probably going to become a huge

4:32

star. Yeah, I mean America will eat her

4:34

up. And I want, yeah, that will love her.

4:36

She's coming with me to New York. Alright,

4:38

okay, so this is, I mean, it couldn't be

4:40

any more exciting from a professional point

4:43

of view as far as you guys are

4:45

concerned. So, we know that, obviously

4:47

we know who Prince Andrew is and

4:49

Rufus Sewell plays Prince Andrew. I

4:52

know Rufus, I've been out with Rufus. Have

4:55

you? Yeah, lots. What's he like

4:57

and in a social context? As

4:59

you might imagine, right? I

5:02

could tell from the expression on your face

5:05

you are imagining the right thing. But I

5:07

didn't know it was him. Well,

5:10

no, it's so good. It's so unbelievable. It's

5:12

so good. I didn't know he was playing

5:14

Prince Andrew and then until about halfway I

5:16

thought, I think it's Rufus Sewell because I

5:18

purposely don't look who's in, I know you're

5:20

in it. Then Keely Hall is obviously very

5:22

recognisable as Prince

5:24

Andrew's private secretary. So, we don't know

5:27

what she looks like but you

5:29

sort of get a vibe of how she might

5:31

be, that particular person having met those kind of

5:33

people and again, she's a real person who really

5:35

exists. And then Chillian Anderson's

5:37

Emily Maitlis. Now, I

5:39

don't know Emily but I've met her a few times,

5:41

you know, I've been at various literature festivals with her.

5:44

I mean, come on. She's amazing. Oh,

5:47

unbelievable. Tell us about Chillian

5:49

Anderson and Emily Maitlis. Well,

5:52

I mean, what they would

5:54

is I don't think they'd spend any time

5:56

together before this happened but obviously there's so

5:58

much material out there. her to do a

6:01

sort of deep dive on and she's just that

6:03

actor now isn't she just does

6:05

that so well it's

6:07

not impersonations but it's a

6:10

representation yeah of real people

6:12

I think she found this

6:14

one more stressful because Emily's

6:17

alive and and she's

6:19

doing her own version of this story and we

6:23

she didn't have the access to her that I had um

6:26

like I watched them do

6:28

interview from beginning to end

6:30

three times it was like watching a

6:32

play they were amazing and they didn't

6:35

rehearse so Sam your character is the one that

6:37

we don't know um and

6:39

therefore you know how does

6:41

that play in between Rufus' Prince Andrew and

6:43

Gillian's Emily Maitlis yet your character is the

6:46

main character of the show there's no question

6:48

about it it becomes more of a two-hander

6:50

between you and Gillian as the as the

6:53

drama develops it's an hour and 40 minutes long

6:55

you cannot take your eyes off it it's so

6:57

tense it's and also we know what's going to

6:59

happen I know so how does that how

7:01

do you do that I don't know I know it's

7:04

testament to Philip our director because

7:06

that was my biggest concern about coming on board

7:08

with this which is why

7:10

why if everyone knows the outcome

7:13

where are the stakes where's

7:15

the drama where's the conflict

7:18

and then I read the script and I was like

7:20

oh that's great and then I saw

7:22

it for the first time and I

7:24

thought he's posted that line so beautifully

7:27

of being so

7:29

invested in something that you know is

7:31

about to happen but I suppose you're

7:33

following real people and that's what keeps

7:35

you connected to the

7:37

journey to that interview there's

7:40

an there's like an emotional

7:42

in which you wouldn't otherwise

7:44

have I suppose that you could have the

7:46

interview and I suppose there's something about the

7:48

sort of sisterhood of them or even though

7:50

their relationships are quite uh

7:52

sticky you know then it's not to me

7:54

saying that that journalistic world is so job-dob

7:57

sticky doesn't mean bad does it sticky doesn't

7:59

mean bad sticky is sticky. It

8:02

is what it is. Everyone has that in

8:04

a dynamic way. Individuals at

8:06

their strongest as far as their own character

8:08

is concerned. Exactly. I

8:12

think one of the fascinating things about it is, and

8:14

the reason it is tense, is because

8:16

it's the story behind the

8:19

story. How did this interview come to be on Newsnight? In a

8:21

way, because

8:24

we're there during the fact and after the fact,

8:26

of course Prince Andrew is going to

8:28

give his one and only interview to Newsnight.

8:30

No, no, of course he's not, not necessarily.

8:33

How do you swing that? These things don't

8:35

just happen. Does he give an interview at

8:37

all? Why would he do that? What does

8:39

he think he's doing? How

8:42

does it metamorphosise enough from a

8:44

sort of, if you

8:46

like, take a break, kind of hello, whatever

8:48

story to a new story? There's a pivotal

8:50

moment. We want to say, I don't want

8:52

to ruin it for people. Like, within

8:54

a second it flips and this is the biggest

8:56

news story in the world. Because Sam

8:59

has been working on this for so long, saying,

9:01

you need, this is the interview we need. She's

9:03

got a head start on everybody else

9:06

trying to get this interview. Tell us

9:08

about the scene where she

9:10

goes and knocks on Prince Andrew's

9:12

private secretary's door. Oh

9:15

yeah, that's a great moment where Amanda

9:17

Sarsk has been resisting

9:19

doing the interview

9:21

with Newsnight, even though her agenda

9:23

is to change the position of

9:25

Prince Andrew because what's happened is

9:27

she's become slightly, as

9:31

is true, enmeshed with the person that

9:33

she's spending every day of her

9:35

life. She sees something quite different and she

9:37

wants the world to experience

9:39

what she's experiencing. But she's pushing back,

9:41

pushing back, pushing back. And then, you

9:43

know, the news comes through that Epstein's about

9:45

to be arrested and Prince Andrew

9:50

is, you know, part

9:52

of that story. And so she

9:55

goes to her house, knocks on the door and says, you've

9:57

got to do this. And I think she says an hour

9:59

and a half. of television can

10:01

change everything. It's like magic. It's

10:03

like magic. And that's you saying that, is it you saying

10:05

it as her? Wow.

10:09

And where does she come from? Sam,

10:11

how does she get to this job on Newsday? This

10:14

is where we're quite alike. She's

10:16

from a working class family. Her

10:19

parents were market store guys. I

10:23

can't remember what they sold, but

10:26

they had the art of negotiation

10:28

in Hagel and that's where she learned that from. Savvy.

10:31

Very savvy, very bright. And

10:34

then did the things that everyone thought

10:36

were impossible, went to, I think

10:39

she went to Edinburgh and studied

10:41

law, became a criminal barrister. So

10:46

she has the art of negotiation

10:48

down. She has an amazing poker

10:50

face. So it's kind of unreadable

10:52

and yet really warm as well,

10:54

which doesn't really make sense. She's

10:57

the reason he said yes, because she's

10:59

so likeable and so

11:01

persuasive and also so transparent.

11:04

Like she's not, she's

11:07

very clear about what they're doing

11:09

from the get go. It's

11:11

not, it doesn't feel snakey or shady. And

11:14

it's not a gotcha. It's not.

11:16

It's just, it just turns out that he

11:19

did that interview. That was what was coming

11:21

out of his mouth, which was the thing

11:23

that it was never set up. It was

11:25

a job ever. It

11:27

turned out as it turned out, but the questions

11:29

were asked and the space was given, which is

11:31

all that was requested and all that was promised

11:33

from Newsnight to the palace and all the palace

11:35

expected from Newsnight. Yeah, so they were clear. And

11:38

following the meeting of Sam going to see

11:41

Prince Andrew's private secretary, there is another

11:43

meeting with the prince himself at Buckingham

11:45

Palace, which Sam is also, I mean,

11:48

she doesn't take the lead, but she

11:50

ends up having the lead in that

11:53

particular, it's a pitch, isn't it? It's a pitch to

11:55

him. And did that happen?

11:57

Yeah, that happened. And what was

11:59

amazing. was in

12:02

the pre-interview interview, he,

12:04

which you don't, you don't, you

12:07

don't see that in the film. It's, but the

12:09

chat, part of the chat that they had before

12:12

the live interview, he was giving those sort

12:14

of answers about Pizza Express,

12:16

not Sw I See, all this stuff

12:18

that everybody was like, what? And

12:21

they were like, okay, well, this is gold, but he's probably not

12:23

gonna say that on the day. They

12:25

said it all on the day. It's kind

12:28

of amazing. And the

12:30

rehearsal, Emily's rehearsal for

12:32

the interview. So we

12:34

see that side of things. And then we

12:37

see the mirror image of

12:39

what he might be doing as far as

12:41

rehearsal is concerned. We know that Emily

12:43

rehearsed for the interview with all the

12:45

questions, changing the questions, framing different questions,

12:48

different rhythm to the interview, maybe moving

12:50

questions around to do with where the

12:53

interview might go, might not go. Do

12:55

we know that he rehearsed? Right.

12:58

Where was your Buckingham Palace then? Oh yeah. In

13:01

one of those like industrial studios on

13:03

the M. I knew you were gonna say that. I

13:06

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13:08

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13:11

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13:13

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13:15

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13:17

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13:20

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13:22

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uk. All right so the world

15:00

is already going mad for the story about the

15:02

story of the interview. Yeah. And the story about

15:04

the story being you guys doing press. Yeah. And

15:06

what kind of requests have you had? How big

15:08

do you think it's going to be? We've now

15:11

had the premiere which we'll talk about in a

15:13

second or two and we've had the initial response

15:15

from the critics etc. Just speak to that if

15:17

you don't mind. I think

15:20

people are so interested in

15:22

it in the royals and

15:24

it's got the sort of best platform for

15:26

that really in Netflix. How was the premiere?

15:29

It was really really fun. It was

15:31

great and actually I saw it for the first

15:34

time with an audience which I've never done before.

15:36

I'm way too controlling for that. It

15:38

was so liberating. I loved it. And so it

15:41

was a big red carpet thing. Everybody was there.

15:45

What was your sense of

15:47

the response of the audience

15:50

from the opening frame to the

15:52

closing credits? And can you tell

15:54

us was there an emotional journey

15:56

for you? Could you sense

15:58

this sort of emotion? pathetic oxytocin

16:02

filling the room. Yeah, I thought

16:04

it was amazing that you could go from kind

16:08

of laughing hysterically at how

16:10

surreal and absurd

16:13

his behaviour is to

16:15

them being engaged immediately, literally three

16:17

seconds later with the pain and

16:19

the sadness of the victims. And

16:21

that's a really hard line to

16:24

coast. So it's funny.

16:27

Did it feel gross

16:29

or insensitive? It's

16:32

kind of doing a bit of

16:34

everything. So I really felt a

16:36

big sort of motion throughout the

16:39

cinema. Everyone seemed to be

16:41

moving in the right direction and it was

16:43

very moving towards the end. And I definitely

16:45

got a sense of that. People really, really

16:47

positive broadly, but we'll see. Did

16:50

you exchange conversations and opinions and people?

16:52

Yeah. Were you with the

16:55

crew, with the cast? We were

16:58

just talking about how happy we were

17:00

with the outcome. And I really wanted

17:02

to speak to

17:04

the makeup department because I think it's

17:07

so hard to get that stuff right. Is

17:09

that what Sam looks like? Yeah, she

17:11

looks identical to that. Wow. She

17:14

wears the same outfit every single day

17:16

like a uniform. And

17:19

she's really uncompromising on her look. That's

17:21

her thing. And why

17:24

should she be? And to fit in the

17:26

BBC or whatever. But she

17:29

is, yeah, that's what she looks like. So

17:32

Buckingham Palace for CGI, you're quite close

17:34

to the BBC at times. We

17:36

were very much outside the BBC. Okay. Was that Guilla

17:38

filming or did you get permission and things like that?

17:40

I didn't get permission. So the reason you gave permission

17:42

to make... That's fair enough.

17:45

Yeah. And

17:47

what about the producer, the main

17:49

female producer at the time? So

17:53

what is she... Emily left, Sam

17:55

left. They all left. They all

17:57

left. Interesting. It

18:00

is interesting, isn't it? Because it became the

18:02

most watched episode of News Night ever, obviously,

18:04

one would say now. Didn't see it.

18:07

No, I didn't see it. I didn't see it then. Yeah, but you've

18:09

seen it since. Seen it since, yeah, I didn't see it then, I

18:11

didn't see it around the time. What did you think? Well, what

18:14

everybody else thought. Why?

18:17

But seeing it back again, it feels

18:20

like, because your film is one hour forty minutes

18:22

long, and it doesn't show

18:24

all of the interview, but coming away from the

18:26

film, I feel like I've seen all the interview.

18:29

Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

18:31

yeah. That's clever as well. Yeah, they took ten

18:33

minutes from what was a fifty minute interview, and

18:35

I guess used the punchier

18:38

lines from him. Yeah. And

18:41

also just that he felt that it had

18:43

gone well. Could you? They

18:45

all felt like it had gone well, and

18:47

there's such a question mark over that for

18:49

me, like... How? How

18:51

could you have thought that? How did this get

18:54

signed off? Is the bit... Right.

18:57

Is the bit where he says at the end of

18:59

the interview to Emily, well, Emily, I think that went

19:01

rather well. Would you like a tour? Is

19:03

that all true? That's all true. And

19:06

he not only said it to Emily Mayliss, he said, who

19:08

else would like a tour? No, no,

19:10

this is like immediately after the interview. I know. I

19:13

think that went rather well, didn't you? Anyone

19:15

want a tour? Okay. I

19:18

mean, because you did...

19:21

Because it's a great crew, you're all

19:23

so good at your craft. Can

19:26

I just say that the... I

19:28

mean, clearly the production, the script, the

19:31

direction, the production, the

19:33

location book in,

19:35

the hair and makeup, it's all 10 out

19:37

of 10, isn't it? It's all...

19:39

It has to be for this kind of thing. I

19:42

think so. So when you texted me and you said,

19:45

can I talk to you about the VBC? Because I

19:47

think I'm doing something to do with it. And I

19:49

thought you were in W1A or something. I thought... Oh,

19:51

yeah. Little did I know. Yeah. And

19:53

that is what you were trying to... You're trying to

19:55

find out what it's like... By

19:57

the way, I'm only guessing here. What it's

19:59

like for... for a maverick to work at the BBC.

20:01

Because she very much is, I know that's not,

20:03

that's probably a hackney phrase, but that's all I

20:05

can think of at the moment. But she very

20:07

much was- Well, no, I think that's a really

20:09

good phrase. And it's, you know, it's often the

20:11

mavericks that help big old,

20:15

heavy, you know, overweight, established

20:17

like the BBC to remain

20:20

relevant. Yeah, totally, and she's all about

20:22

that. And also she doesn't care about taking

20:25

a meeting with the Daily Mail, or

20:27

she's not a snob, you know what

20:29

I mean? She understands the value of

20:31

being available to all of it.

20:34

Yeah. That's what's

20:36

gonna generate the best work. Did

20:38

she have any other scoops? Or was it- Yeah, there's a

20:40

whole book. You should read the book. There's loads of

20:42

stuff on there. Here we go, Brent. Yeah.

20:45

I mean, it's good to be

20:47

around people like that. Yeah. She's so positive.

20:51

She's so energized

20:53

that it's a

20:55

good choice to be around people

20:57

like that. Yeah, yeah. And

20:59

she's in awe of everything, which is

21:02

such a nice thing to watch. It's

21:05

like, yes, of course you find this amazing.

21:07

You know, we're a bit long in the

21:09

tooth, but she's like, this is great. What,

21:12

because the movie- Because it's a

21:14

movie about her life. And she's

21:16

finally getting seen, and

21:18

she had been unsung, and

21:21

she deserves to be very, very much

21:23

public facing. She's almost the perfect person

21:26

to be famous. She could handle it. Does

21:28

she really drink vodka martinis? She loves

21:31

martinis. I

21:33

didn't have a martini until I met her.

21:35

Is that with a twist or- She has

21:37

them dirty. Dirty, with the olives in.

21:39

With the olive, yeah. What

21:42

life skills have you learned from her? Yeah,

21:45

that's a good question. And

21:48

she from you? I don't

21:50

know what she's learned from me, if anything, but

21:52

I feel like from her, I don't

21:56

know. She's just a constant

21:58

reminder to be yourself. She's

22:00

a constant reminder to be

22:03

open, warm, loving, grateful. And

22:09

yeah, she's just joy.

22:11

So I guess that just wraps it up. So she was,

22:14

she's a booker for the Newsnight

22:16

with a journalistic, not bent,

22:18

but with a flavor of journalism in

22:20

her. Yeah, yeah, definitely. She feels like

22:22

a journalist. A

22:25

truth teller? Yeah. A truth seeker? Both.

22:28

Educator, teacher. Is this

22:30

a wrap? What

22:32

do you mean, like, is it the end?

22:35

No, I'm into you rapping. No, I

22:38

know what you mean. What's

22:40

this whisper I've heard about something called chaos? I

22:44

can't think of a great deal about it because, you know, it's that sort of

22:46

thing. So,

22:49

yeah, there's there is

22:51

a production being made

22:53

featuring Jeff Goldblum and I'm in

22:55

it as well. And

22:58

it's based on Greek

23:02

mythology. And

23:05

that's probably all I can say. Is this a

23:07

series? It's a

23:09

series. It's a series.

23:12

It's dark. It's loud. It's

23:15

vibrant. It's dramatic because,

23:17

you know, it's Greek mythology. So

23:19

there's a wealth of stuff there. Contemporary. It's

23:22

a sort of 90s take. Oh, nice. Yeah,

23:25

there's a lot of 90s references. My

23:28

favorite. Face where? Well,

23:31

it's different worlds. Oh, the underworld

23:33

and all of the 90s

23:36

parallel universes. Awesome. We

23:38

actually filmed in Italy,

23:42

Spain, Europe. And

23:44

people said to me because I said

23:46

the reason we're pre-recorded interviews because you're

23:49

going to go to America and do

23:51

loads of press for this amazing feature

23:53

scoop out this Friday, 5th of April

23:55

on Netflix. And they

23:57

said, but surely police don't press. the

24:00

US before. Have you?

24:02

I've done a bit but I haven't done

24:04

as much as I'm about to do. What

24:07

are you booked on all the big shows?

24:09

Those morning shows. Which ones? Are

24:12

you on The View? No, annoyingly I'm not on

24:14

The View. I'd love to be on The View. Good Morning

24:16

America? Something like that. Any

24:19

late nights? No, not yet though.

24:21

Nobody could happen, it could happen couldn't

24:23

it? In between now and you getting

24:25

there. Well let's hope so. These things tend

24:27

to have a momentum. You've come

24:30

and come in the States. It's

24:32

not the same. Because I don't see

24:35

people know who you are.

24:40

Yeah, such a strong

24:42

following out there. Yeah and still. And

24:45

other shows that have traveled well that

24:47

you've been in. I

24:51

think I hate to say they had a niche crowd

24:53

out there which is quite cool. Yeah, no

24:55

really cool crowd as well. A bit with

24:57

Nail and Lai actually. It's definitely got that

24:59

sort of subculture. No

25:01

but everybody in the industry watched it.

25:04

Yeah industry people love it I guess

25:06

because it's largely about the industry. It

25:08

was seen by George Clooney. Oh,

25:11

the G-dog. How'd you know

25:14

that? Because

25:16

he commented on it on

25:19

one of the radio shows. He

25:22

said my name. Did he? Yeah. Well

25:24

he lives around the corner doesn't he? From

25:27

who? Who's everybody around the

25:29

Thames? Oh is he?

25:31

Yeah he lives very close to Heathrow

25:34

Airport. Do you know that as a 100% he lives

25:36

close to Heathrow? Yeah I

25:38

don't know why. Are you thinking he's with the foot somewhere

25:40

else? Not under the flight path. No

25:42

he does he lives right under the flight path of Heathrow

25:44

Airport. I don't know maybe it's maybe it comforts him how he

25:46

gets to sleep out of the planes. I don't know. That's why

25:48

he travels a lot probably. Yeah anything else?

25:51

Come on. No nothing else. Stage. Stage.

25:55

No not working on this. No more yermas.

25:57

No more yerma. Oh how good was yerma?

25:59

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