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the ways he's buying people off publicly,

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he's picking you off privately, particularly

3:38

automakers. I have to say that it's

3:40

just, it's astounding to

3:42

me. I

3:45

guess it shouldn't be that

3:47

they are continuing to shove plug-in

3:49

cars down your throat despite the

3:52

fact that everyone I've talked to,

3:54

everyone in automotive sales, I

3:56

know at Least three people

3:58

who own car dealerships. The outright Who

4:00

cell vehicles of different makes and models.

4:03

And. All of them have told me the

4:05

exact same thing. Chris: We can't We can't

4:07

give these damn plug out the plugin cars

4:09

away people come on door lot they're selling

4:11

cars like crazy. Mean. The car

4:13

buying market is going great. But.

4:16

They can sell these plugin cars. And.

4:20

Manufacturers are calling them up saying we need to take

4:22

more of them and the dealers like I don't I

4:24

don't want them. We can't sell them. And.

4:27

Yet here's the story today. from the

4:29

hill: The by the administration finalized a

4:31

rule yesterday that's expected to make a

4:33

significant amount of new car markets. Electric.

4:37

Or. Hybrid under the rule fifty

4:39

six percent. Of. The new

4:41

vehicles on the market in Twenty Thirty two.

4:44

Could. Be battery electric while and

4:46

additional thirteen percent could be plug

4:49

in hybrid. Under. This scenario

4:51

just twenty nine percent of cars.

4:53

Would. Be gas powered, while an

4:55

additional three percent. Would. Be.

4:58

Other Hybrids: Only sixteen percent

5:00

of new vehicle sales were

5:02

electric and hybrid cars last

5:04

year, sixteen percent. The. Rule

5:06

is the cornerstone of the by

5:09

demonstrations climate agenda. So again, it's

5:11

finalizing a rule. It is not

5:13

a law. You. Didn't vote for it.

5:15

I didn't vote for a year a member of Congress

5:18

didn't vote for it. Here to discuss than of Turner.

5:20

Founder. Executive Director Power The Future

5:22

Power The future.org at Daniel Turner P

5:25

T F on X. Daniel.

5:27

This is I'd again as well. Those things

5:29

if you want a lawyer up if somebody

5:32

gets resources, I wouldn't mind taking this rule

5:34

the court if I'm correct, one of the

5:36

auto manufacturers or the car dealers association band

5:38

together and challenge something like this: Good morning.

5:42

Good. Morning A. There's so much to unpack

5:44

in this and and right off the bat,

5:46

you mentioned members of Congress. Got. a

5:48

pretty contentious senate race happening in your

5:50

state right where it is a great

5:53

senator bobby casey stand on this right

5:55

we know we know where he stands

5:57

on so many susie such a forceful

5:59

first and such a man

6:01

of clarity and vision. But this is

6:03

a very important issue. Where does Bob

6:05

Casey stand? Because you raised something really

6:07

important. This isn't a law, right? This

6:09

is a rule and rules are arbitrary.

6:11

Those statistics you threw out, Biden

6:14

declares that by 2032, 56%

6:18

of cars will be EVs. Where did those

6:20

numbers come from? Right, they didn't come from

6:22

markets, they didn't come from science, they came

6:24

from a bunch of political yahoos in the

6:26

White House who put down numbers on paper.

6:28

Why is it not 75% by 2040? Right,

6:33

these numbers are purely arbitrary. And

6:35

to enact those numbers or to

6:37

achieve the goal, well they

6:39

have the full force of government. And are

6:41

they gonna make up rules to force you

6:44

to comply? But boy, that sounds an awful

6:46

lot like those state run

6:48

economies you see in, I

6:50

don't know, the Soviet Union or

6:52

East Germany, right? Or North Korea.

6:54

It sounds a lot like a

6:57

state run economy, a centrally planned

6:59

economy where some authority declares

7:01

what you are allowed and not allowed

7:03

to purchase. And that's not really

7:06

the American way at all, and it's gonna have

7:08

a huge pushback for Biden, which is good, because

7:10

he deserves pushback from this

7:12

sort of Stalin-esque tactic. Yeah,

7:15

I don't, it seems the auto manufacturers

7:17

are not interested in fighting. I wonder if

7:19

there's an auto dealers, I might have to

7:21

ask my friends about this. Is there like

7:23

an auto dealers association? Because if the auto

7:26

dealers, it's not even the manufacturers so much.

7:28

It seems to me what I hear and

7:30

understand is the auto manufacturers are often kind

7:32

of bullied by their fascist

7:34

tactics from government, and they kind of

7:36

acquiesce. But then they have

7:38

to push these products onto the dealers

7:40

downstream to sell them to customers who

7:42

don't want them, you know? Yeah,

7:45

absolutely. And the manufacturers have caved on

7:48

this because they know that If

7:50

push comes to shove, they can go

7:52

to DC for a bailout, right? They're

7:54

not worried about making money. These are

7:57

now kind of political regime entities. You

7:59

can go back. On you tube and

8:01

look at videos from the seventies. Of.

8:03

Milton Friedman. The Great Milton

8:05

Friedman. Disgusting. Bailouts for the

8:07

Big Story. So I this the without

8:09

fifty sixty years of bailing out the

8:11

auto manufacturers when they make terrible decision

8:13

so they don't care about this rule.

8:15

They'll make whatever government wants them to

8:17

make to long as they get their

8:19

government backs on their government. Benefits.

8:22

And and they get to go to the

8:24

cool government parties. But you're right that the

8:26

Autumn and you cite the auto dealers are

8:28

the ones who are probably where. Do you

8:30

see a new rule that says you have

8:32

to buy x year have fifty percent of

8:35

your lot. Easier or you're not

8:37

going to still come up with some

8:39

new rule that will punish them and

8:41

be a the auto sales. Because.

8:43

They have to use government. To.

8:46

To move these things right, they've given us

8:48

seventy five hundred dollar tax credit to buy

8:50

any. Be it hasn't worked that he'd be

8:52

given a be manufacturers hundreds of billions of

8:55

dollars in subsidies that has have worked well.

8:57

So the next thing is a Jewish if

8:59

they get rid of the competition and then

9:01

you will be forced to buy and T

9:03

V and Joe Biden gets his political victory.

9:06

It's interesting in this hill piece that I

9:08

was just reading from Daniel Turner. Is.

9:10

Is the oil industry lobby groups have

9:12

threatened to sue over this rule Here

9:14

Again? I mean fine. I hope everybody

9:16

sues over the rule, but I do.

9:18

I. I've been perplexed

9:20

as to why it seems the automotive

9:22

industry is so passive about it. You

9:24

have any insight as to why they're

9:26

so pass or your entire business model

9:29

is basically being hijacked. By.

9:31

Governments by government rule. I don't understand why

9:33

there's not more aggressive say that is it

9:35

because the government dollars that afloat in there

9:37

before to so many of them. I

9:40

believe so. and it's the best. The ugly

9:42

collusion of big government and big business And

9:44

big government. A big business will do whatever

9:46

government wants to do so long as there's

9:48

the guaranteed that they'll bail them out when

9:51

when when things go bad. So if you're

9:53

one of the auto manufacturers you to tell

9:55

what products a kill you say of a

9:57

probably even better if I have to make

9:59

a profit. That you have to buy. right?

10:01

Look at how will be the pharmaceutical companies

10:04

did when you had to buy the jab.

10:06

Race: Suddenly they were all making bank

10:08

would. didn't we create something absurd Like

10:11

a record number of billionaires? Dory cove

10:13

it. So I think big business would

10:15

love nothing more than of have government

10:18

rules that force you to buy one

10:20

product or another. So I'm I'm honestly

10:22

not surprised that the manufacturers are totally

10:24

fine with this rule is they're totally

10:27

fine of doing whatever. Government

10:29

wants them to do because government will

10:31

bail them out. Me and very very

10:33

far. Vision. From Henry Ford

10:35

and Du Pont when he took over

10:37

General Motors and are very very different

10:39

than Mr. Chrysler or who left Gm

10:41

and a half because they wouldn't let

10:43

him creed the cards he wanted. Right

10:46

now now are the days of the

10:48

state making all the decisions, Daniel.

10:50

Turner. Add to power the Future A

10:52

Fox News piece that you have authored

10:54

a few days ago. This. Is

10:56

always creepy. Obama did something like this

10:58

to it wasn't climate related a chemical,

11:01

what was There was one form. these

11:03

course they want to has issued little

11:05

brown shirt government brown shirts that they

11:07

pay to go out and do their

11:10

bidding. Always an Obama wanted anyway. Biden.

11:12

Biden. Is said created the

11:15

climate core. As as

11:17

well as as members of Congress

11:19

Ed Markey, the senator from Massachusetts

11:22

fifty thousand this this they they

11:24

want to spend eight billion dollars

11:26

for a climate whore. Ah the.

11:29

The. Said the budget proposal made good on

11:31

binds pledged for the states union to triple

11:33

the number of workers from the original twenty

11:36

thousand. The Climate

11:38

Corps has been likened the Franklin Roosevelt's

11:40

Jobs program. Fifty thousand is actually where

11:42

they wanna go. Daniel, you are You

11:44

wrote about this. Tell us. Yeah,

11:48

this is you know, Biden. As as

11:50

as Kennedy and most Democrats, you're right.

11:52

They look at the Kennedys as. As

11:55

as the model of a democrat, President and

11:57

Jfk gave us the Peace Corps right and

11:59

and F. The are used mentioned you

12:01

know gave us these other jobs programs. So

12:03

Biden think he's going to be a little

12:05

bit like the Kennedy by creating the Climate

12:08

course and he wants to have tens of

12:10

thousands of young people engaging on climate taxpayer

12:12

funded young people. Now we can argue to

12:14

a blue in the face about the climate

12:17

crisis and if there is one and what

12:19

causes it. But. I would think even

12:21

the most radical climate believer would agree

12:23

with me that fifty thousand twenty year

12:25

olds who have a lesbian poetry degree

12:28

from Vassar on up going to solve

12:30

any problems. And that's exactly who Biden

12:32

is going to hire. What is a

12:34

bunch of twenty one year olds? Fifty

12:36

thousand of them, to be precise, running

12:38

around the country's throwing Campbell soup at?

12:40

They got what is that going to

12:42

do to solve the climate crisis? And

12:45

the answer is absolutely nothing. The answer

12:47

is what they're going to do is,

12:49

of course they're going. To knock on

12:51

doors. And that's why Biden has

12:53

said the vast majority of them will

12:55

be ready by the fall and what

12:57

is happening in the Fall was get

12:59

ready. Bucks County is going to be

13:01

citizens of them knocking on doors right

13:03

and all throughout the P A suburbs

13:05

because they have to win the election

13:07

and so they will say well look

13:09

where to be Used the Climate Core

13:11

for political purposes. We're just going to

13:13

identify those households that cared deeply about

13:15

climate change and name. If you'd like

13:18

me to pick up your ballot, drop

13:20

it off for you in that mailbox.

13:22

I'll be happy to do so. So

13:24

this is all Biden using taxpayer dollars

13:26

to push his campaign. It was the

13:28

Jobs Gray. We Obama had a youth

13:30

Job Corps. You know

13:32

you didn't have that were yeah, you do

13:34

so much in civil service and then noom

13:36

you get a job or some such thing.

13:39

but it's all part and parcel of they.

13:41

They are using tax dollars under the auspices

13:43

of forming Corps for Climate and Jobs. but

13:45

as you say, they're just really Browns shirt

13:48

henchmen to go. click ballots, and

13:50

be at hillary and bill or clinton

13:53

bill and hillary clinton raised billions of

13:55

dollars for haiti and added that were

13:57

closed on the song about fab and

13:59

in africa and house place doing, right?

14:01

So all of these huge initiatives, they're

14:03

either their money grabs and grips, or

14:05

they're just the chance to push pure

14:08

political power. And that's what this is

14:10

going to be. There's a huge effort

14:13

in Congress to stop this, because unlike

14:15

the Peace Corps, the

14:17

Climate Corps is not legislated. It's not

14:19

appropriated by Congress. Again, we can argue

14:21

if the Peace Corps is successful or

14:24

not. But the Peace Corps

14:26

did come through legislation. And every

14:28

year the Congress does appropriate funding,

14:30

and it is accountable to the

14:33

American people vis-a-vis their elected representatives.

14:35

What's the Climate Corps? Right? Biden

14:37

can just willy-nilly put

14:39

together 50,000 people and have

14:42

them do his bidding. Who's the head

14:44

of the Climate Corps, right? And how

14:46

is that person chosen? So there's a

14:48

lot of congressional concern that now the

14:51

president can't just create a task force

14:53

this large without authorization,

14:55

without appropriation. And I hope Congress

14:58

steps up and takes their power

15:01

back, right, as the first branch of government.

15:04

I'm really tired of, hey, it's the same

15:06

thing we just talked about with the EPA

15:08

tailpipe rule. I'm tired of the administration saying,

15:10

we can do whatever we want because you

15:12

elected us. Elections have consequences,

15:14

but let's calm down a

15:17

little bit. You know, the famous bloodbath clip,

15:19

let's play the bloodbath clip that everybody was

15:21

trying to make hay of. Too triggering. No,

15:23

no, no, I'm afraid. I'm afraid. Way too

15:25

triggering. It seems like Trump, there's a story

15:27

today that I think is kind of a

15:29

companion piece to this. Trump and

15:32

his campaign have responded in force on what you

15:34

and I were just talking about this EV mandate.

15:36

And he says he vows day

15:38

one a reversal here. The story

15:40

says the statement comes after Trump

15:42

has taken aims at Biden's climate

15:44

agenda. During a UAW strike last year,

15:47

the former president said the best

15:49

interests of American workers were his number

15:51

one concern. So given that Trump

15:53

has responded this way to what we were just

15:55

talking about and then this bloodbath thing, which again,

15:58

if you heard it in context, I think. makes sense. My

16:00

question is, after we listen to this, is

16:02

he making a play for UAW workers across the country?

16:04

I think he could probably say yes. Take a listen.

16:08

Mexico has taken over a period of 30 years, 34% of

16:10

the automobile manufacturing

16:14

business in our country. Think of it.

16:16

Went to Mexico. China now is building

16:19

a couple of massive plants where they're

16:21

going to build the cars in Mexico

16:23

and think, they think, that they're going

16:25

to sell those cars into the United

16:27

States with no tax at the border.

16:29

Let me tell you something to China.

16:31

If you're listening, President Xi and you

16:34

and I are friends, but he understands

16:36

the way I deal. Those big monster

16:39

car manufacturing plants that you're building

16:42

in Mexico right now, and

16:44

you think you're going to get that, you're going to

16:46

not hire Americans, and you're going to sell the cars

16:48

to us now, we're going to put a 100% tariff

16:51

on every single car that

16:53

comes across the line, and you're not going to

16:56

be able to sell those cars. If I get

16:58

elected, now if I don't get

17:00

elected, it's going to be a bloodbath for the whole,

17:02

that's going to be the least of it. It's going

17:04

to be a bloodbath for the country. That'll be the

17:06

least of it. So I

17:08

just, I'm kind of curious, he's gone

17:10

to the picket line and spoke

17:13

with the UAW. I wonder if this is

17:15

working. You think they hear him? Absolutely.

17:18

I think auto workers know that their jobs

17:20

are on the line because the industry has

17:22

been shrinking over the last couple of years,

17:25

precisely because of rules like this that government

17:27

puts to place. And the big

17:29

three would be thrilled to move all of their

17:33

processing overseas. They have no love loss

17:35

for America, right? They're not loyal to

17:38

Detroit. So if they

17:40

could move to Oaxaca and build cars

17:42

there, where there's no EPA and there's

17:44

no OSHA and there's no sexual

17:46

harassment and diversity, training Friday, and you

17:49

can, you know, that would be their

17:51

ideal because their profit margins would increase

17:53

tremendously. They would charge the same amount

17:55

for the car, right? They're not going

17:57

to charge less for the cars. going

18:00

to make more money. And so absolutely,

18:02

it's a huge push by the president.

18:04

And there's another issue about the EVs,

18:06

which, you know, is a

18:08

whole hour long conversation in itself. But

18:11

Biden attacking the car is really attacking

18:13

the American DNA. We are at our

18:15

heart, a car culture. And I'm sure

18:18

you can find car guys who can

18:20

talk about this more than I can.

18:22

But you think of our literature, you

18:24

think of our rock and roll songs,

18:26

you think of so much of our

18:28

especially our young teenage years, the American

18:30

road trip, and people go

18:32

to Europe and they're like, Oh, my

18:34

gosh, they got these cute little trains

18:36

everywhere. But that's why Europe lives in

18:38

a controlled society. I don't want to

18:40

take a train everywhere. I want the

18:42

freedom of my car. We are a

18:44

car DNA society. And when you mess

18:46

with that, you are messing with who

18:48

the American people are. Joe Biden actually

18:51

used to be one, you would brag

18:53

about his stupid Corvette, where he classified

18:55

documents, right? So so it shows you

18:57

how disgusting and evil the green movement

18:59

is, that you can you can overcome

19:01

your own true beliefs for

19:03

for the green gods of the climate movement.

19:05

So I think Trump is making a huge

19:08

play not just for jobs, but

19:10

also to remind Americans who

19:12

they are as a people. And we are

19:14

people rooted in freedom. And we express it

19:16

through the freedom of our cars. 600 registered

19:20

voters in Pennsylvania, just

19:22

surveyed late last month, early this month, 40%

19:25

Republican, 15%

19:28

independent, 45% Democrat. So

19:30

it's actually this is this is weighted

19:33

Democrat registered voters. All right. In

19:36

Pennsylvania, attitudes toward high

19:38

energy costs and environment. Survey

19:41

found that most voters across party

19:43

lines prefer candidates and policies they

19:45

feel could lower household energy

19:48

prices rather than combat climate

19:50

change. Nearly two third of

19:52

Pennsylvania voters said rising energy

19:54

costs Were among their

19:57

two top issues. That

20:00

said, energy affordability will be very

20:02

important in choosing candidates. this election.

20:05

Respondents gave a slight edge to

20:07

Donald Trump. On

20:10

who could handle the issues better. So this

20:12

is you know what? what people are playing

20:14

out of pocket are in their homes for

20:16

Energy matters a lot and this is a

20:19

heavy democrat. Registered. Poll: A

20:21

registered voter poll in Pennsylvania. It.

20:23

Does And and half a million people

20:25

in the Commonwealth works directly in the

20:27

oil and gas industry and look at

20:29

the That Moves administration just did to

20:32

ban liquid natural gas exports, right? That

20:34

directly affects Pennsylvania. Stay as center Casey

20:36

what he thought and the response was

20:38

when he wakes up from a nap

20:40

you know he'll come back with an

20:42

answer, right? and so was aware you're

20:44

elected officials Pennsylvania if you work in

20:46

In in that industry and you probably

20:48

have a six figure job and you

20:51

can live somewhere to kind of remote

20:53

and. And and private and have a

20:55

wonderful quiet life. But. You're able

20:57

to provide for your family and be a

20:59

member of your community. That job as I'm

21:01

alive and you could say, well, you know

21:03

what, I'm not really like. Donald Trump will

21:05

feel like living in your cute little suburban

21:07

in your nice house. You like the fact

21:09

if you're nineteen year old but daddy's able

21:11

to put on the heated pool in In

21:13

in May because it's still a little chilly.

21:15

All of that comes because of the fact

21:17

that you have a guarantee job in a

21:19

thriving industry that is under attack and your

21:22

Senator is useless when it comes to it.

21:24

And Joe Biden is going to make it.

21:26

Absolutely works. So there's a lot on

21:28

the line. Not just the cost of

21:30

eggs, not just crime not just ran,

21:32

but illegal immigration, your quality of life,

21:34

and a small Pennsylvania suburb. Is

21:37

on the line with in this next election

21:39

and and even the car that you wanna

21:41

drive is on the line selection. Even though

21:43

they keep shouting that this was the warmest

21:45

winner ever annual in the history of planet

21:48

Earth has to lie. What?

21:50

Can I come back on the show? Sometimes I'll be so

21:52

to a the I'll come back of his. A.

21:55

deposit for your wonderful is not that i think

21:58

we should it's always import because that goes hand

22:00

in glove. They try to scare the hell out

22:02

of people into paying prohibitively

22:05

more expensive energy costs. Daniel Turner, founder

22:07

and executive director of Power the Future,

22:09

powerthefuture.com. Thank you, my friend, so much.

22:12

Cam Edwards on X and joins us

22:14

again. Mr. Edwards, great to have you

22:16

back, my friend. It's been too long.

22:20

Good morning. It has been. Good

22:22

morning. Thanks for the advice. I don't mean to

22:24

be a pessimist. I really don't, but I don't

22:26

trust the Supreme Court much these days, Cam, and

22:28

given some of the things we were

22:30

hearing yesterday, now that I know they're going to talk about

22:32

New York going after the NRA,

22:34

I don't know.

22:37

Nothing would surprise me. I'll just put it to you that

22:39

way. How about you? You

22:42

know, it was interesting. These cases were

22:44

heard back to back on Monday. You

22:46

had the challenge

22:48

out of Missouri first, and then that was followed up

22:50

with oral arguments in the NRA versus LULO. So I

22:53

had a chance to listen to a little bit of

22:55

both of the oral arguments. And I will

22:58

say I'm with you on

23:01

the Missouri case, on the social media case. It really

23:04

does seem like the, maybe even

23:06

a 7-2-8-1 decision against the state of Missouri is

23:11

coming out of that case, I

23:13

think. But it was a little bit different when it

23:15

came to the NRA's First Amendment challenge against the accident

23:17

of Maria Vullo. She was the superintendent

23:19

of New York's Department of Financial Services.

23:22

And back in, I think it was 2018 when the NRA

23:26

had this Kerry Guard insurance, right?

23:28

It was basically self-defense insurance. The

23:30

state of New York said, no, no, you can't sell that

23:32

here. And Maria Vullo is accused

23:35

of going to companies and

23:37

basically saying, this is a nice

23:39

business you built here. It'd be a shame if

23:42

something happened to it, right? Maybe you want to

23:44

think about divesting your self-computing relationship with the NRA.

23:46

At one point, allegedly even telling the Lloyd's of London

23:48

that, you

23:50

know, there are some issues with some

23:53

of your products, Lloyd's, but I'm only interested in going

23:55

after the NRA. So if you play ball with us

23:57

and you stop doing business with the NRA... Well,

24:00

we can make your life a lot easier. The

24:03

NRA ended up suing, basically,

24:05

accusing Maria Vullo of abusing her

24:07

position of power, trying

24:10

to violate the NRA's First Amendment rights. And

24:14

while the liberal wing of the court seemed

24:16

very much in doubt about

24:18

whether or not the NRA had presented its case, I think

24:22

a majority of the court agreed that this was

24:24

abusive behavior on the part of Vullo.

24:27

It's also interesting. If you had the

24:29

ACLU representing the NRA in court yesterday,

24:31

you had the Solicitor General from the

24:33

Biden administration backing the NRA's position.

24:36

I mean, this is a case with a

24:38

lot of strange bedfellows, Chris. Yeah,

24:40

Kim, I just, it frustrates me, and I

24:42

don't mean to make you a spokesperson for

24:44

Supreme Court justices. I

24:47

don't understand how you can sit there and

24:49

say, well, look, government,

24:52

understandably sometimes, has concerns, and they've got

24:55

to shut people up. I

24:58

mean, that's literally what these people made the

25:00

argument yesterday. Well, sometimes government needs to shut

25:02

people up, because it's dangerous stuff they're saying.

25:05

So I walk that out. It seems like

25:07

you could apply that just as well to

25:09

Ms. Vullo's argument. Hey,

25:11

NRA's dangerous. They're dangerous. They

25:13

say dangerous stuff, right? I mean, isn't that the same

25:16

thing? And you did sort of hear that argument from

25:19

some of the liberal justices. There was Judge Jackson at

25:21

one point who said, and I'm paraphrasing here, but it

25:23

was the problem I have with your argument is that

25:26

it the

25:28

First Amendment just limits the government's ability, right?

25:31

It's quite yes, it does. That's absolutely

25:33

right. That's what it's supposed to do,

25:35

right? Another point,

25:37

Elena Kagan suggested, well, maybe there is

25:39

reputational risk from doing business with a

25:42

company that sells guns or

25:44

a nonprofit that promotes the

25:47

Second Amendment, which,

25:50

again, I think is very, very

25:52

problematic from a judicial perspective. Again,

25:54

we're talking about a constitutional protected right. You're telling

25:56

me that advocating for that right all of a

25:58

sudden makes you a. A Reputation a

26:01

risk to do business with us and

26:03

it's all the A and Tam as

26:05

you have no idea as is. It's

26:07

all predicated on this idea that we

26:09

as A is A people are not

26:11

sophisticated enough to understand what he is

26:13

or isn't dangerous. And so they began

26:15

being sophisticated. Get to determine what is

26:17

good business or bad business, What is

26:19

good speech or bad speech? What is

26:21

dangerous. Speeds were not be as it

26:24

gets all predicated on our betters making.

26:26

Decisions. For our safety. right?

26:30

Yeah, Absolutely. As Asia leave me alone.

26:32

Conservative. Ah the guys be great as

26:34

as as again did power. Is it

26:37

aside? Your it is. If I said

26:39

that the get it so backwards yesterday

26:41

right? Yes, We the people. This is

26:43

a government of for and by we

26:46

the people. We the people are the

26:48

ultimate arbiters. of what is

26:50

appropriate, what is not allowed to say

26:52

at we the people decided a long

26:54

time ago. That. That bar

26:56

is really high rise order to cross

26:58

the line for protected speech. I.

27:01

This of the that is you

27:03

know, censor the or obscene and

27:05

it it's awfully high bar right?

27:07

Ah, It out again. As you say, you've

27:10

got these. Government. Bureaucrats You get

27:12

elected officials who say, well that are We get

27:14

to decide. What's. Appropriate.

27:16

What? Would you say what you think, Where you

27:19

feel, how you act, What your own? right?

27:21

It's of the Us to determine. Where. You

27:24

are allowed to do it all these areas. I.

27:26

That is the antithesis. Of

27:29

what the framers had in mind when they

27:32

constituted was drafted a ratified. I can't say

27:34

this clip enough. And I know you've

27:36

heard it. or if you haven't, I'd love your response to

27:38

it. Michael. Best loss. It's.

27:40

A people need to hear this because

27:43

these are these are considered our betters.

27:45

These are considered the the most studious

27:47

academics are in our midst. These are

27:49

the people that and form of the

27:51

the opinions and thoughts of people like

27:54

us. Justice.

27:56

so gitanjali brown jackson and

27:58

sonia sotomayor and justice Kagan,

28:00

Michael Beschloss on MSNBC yesterday.

28:03

And when you talk about what these people

28:05

think of us, they

28:07

think us a menace, they

28:09

think us dangerous, and everyone else must

28:12

be protected from our rise. It's

28:14

the way they speak, ostensibly

28:16

about 75 million plus of us. Take a

28:19

listen. However

28:21

this election turns out, it will

28:23

be Americans were given

28:25

the voluntary choice to become

28:27

pawns in a dictatorship, an

28:32

under-a-presidency of unimaginable brutality and

28:34

violence, and all sorts of

28:36

things that are as un-American

28:38

as anything that we can

28:40

imagine, or whether they voted

28:42

against that. You know, anything

28:44

about horse race or age or, you

28:47

know, Trump is more entertaining on the

28:49

stump, well that's wonderful. What

28:51

I would suggest is, let's go back to

28:53

the late 1920s in Germany

28:55

or the early 1930s, the

28:58

Nazis and Hitler came to power

29:01

under a legal system. They did

29:03

not seize power overnight illegally. They

29:06

were able to get elected, and

29:08

one reason that happened was that

29:10

people didn't realize that if you're

29:12

voting for Hitler, this could end

29:14

in the Holocaust and a defeat

29:16

in World War II. All

29:19

of this is the same thing. The

29:22

Justice, yesterday, this bullo

29:24

woman in New York, Beshloss,

29:26

all of it's the same strain. We

29:29

know what's bad for you. We know

29:31

what's dangerous to you and for you.

29:34

Trust us, and we'll make sure

29:36

all the bad and dangerous things are kept at bay.

29:39

Right? That's the strain. That's the common thread,

29:41

Cam. Yeah, it

29:43

doesn't even work out too well for them, by the way. I

29:46

think a lot of Americans are

29:49

rejecting that. As for Beshloss,

29:51

let's go back to Germany for a second, right? That

29:54

election that put the Nazis in power, basically

29:57

the center had been hollowed out. So, the

29:59

German electorate... was choosing between the Nazis and the Communists.

30:01

I don't know about you. I mean,

30:03

Chris, that's kind of like choosing between Sybilis and

30:05

gonorrhea. Right? I mean, not much of a choice

30:07

there at that point. And

30:10

that's really what concerns me. Listen, I'm not

30:12

a big fan of Donald Trump. I'm

30:14

certainly no fan of Joe Biden. I

30:17

look at the selections this year. And I think this

30:19

is the best we could come up with in the

30:21

nation of 330 million people. So that is terribly, terribly

30:23

wrong. But that does not

30:25

mean that Trump is a Nazi. Right?

30:28

Or that those of us are

30:30

blind to his charms and that

30:32

we're about to elect Hitler. Right?

30:35

Right. I mean, that's the thing, right? They take this

30:37

up to 11. And I think

30:40

honestly, I mean, it really one of the things that's

30:42

really disturbing right now, Chris, is I think the media

30:44

is fomenting this division. I

30:46

think they love it. Yes. You know,

30:48

when I started out in TV news

30:50

20 something years ago, you know, the

30:52

attitude of it bleeds the leads and

30:55

it was often thrown around the newsroom. Right. We always

30:58

start with a crime story. There's always a big story.

31:01

And now politically, I think we're

31:03

seeing that same sort of attitude. Right. Let's

31:05

let's ramp everybody's emotions up to 11. Let's

31:07

present Donald Trump as if he is, you

31:09

know, again, an insipid dictator. And,

31:12

you know, some of the writing

31:14

says, listen, Joe Biden is a secret communist. I don't believe that

31:16

either. I think he's a doddery old fool. But

31:19

I don't think that he is, you know, the equivalent of Chairman Mao

31:21

or Joseph Stalin. I

31:25

think the media encourages this. I think the

31:27

mainstream media is addicted to our

31:29

anger, not

31:31

just on the right, but Americans anger. And I think they

31:33

feed it. I think they foment it. They

31:35

want it. They help it helps to make money.

31:37

Yes. And it's one of the

31:40

things that drives me crazy because they're willing

31:42

to pervert history, subvert this country in exchange

31:44

for the ratings and the clicks. And it

31:46

is so destructive what the media is doing.

31:48

And you know, this

31:51

whole bloodbath comment, right? Take that out of

31:53

proportion out of context that

31:55

that makes me so angry because every one

31:57

of those reporters knows better. They would just listen to

31:59

the that sound by they know the context, but

32:02

they are now lying to the people trying

32:04

to create a controversy where frankly, if they just

32:06

let Donald Trump speak five minutes from now that

32:08

have a legitimate controversy, they wouldn't have to make

32:10

it. Isn't that the point?

32:13

You're such an advocate, a great, great advocate

32:15

for the Second Amendment, bearingarms.com, host

32:18

of the podcast, Cam and Company, by the way, Cam

32:20

Edwards joins us. The first

32:22

and second amendment, not to sound like a cliche

32:24

here, those two amendments

32:26

are literally the thing that prevent

32:28

a Hitler from rising. That's

32:30

the point, and they want to suspend the both of them

32:33

as far as I'm concerned. Yeah.

32:36

Yeah. Well, again, there are no, I

32:38

mean, that's the sad thing, right? They're not real big

32:40

fans of the Bill of Rights because they see that

32:42

it allows people like you or I to own guns or

32:44

to say things that they don't like. And so there's

32:47

one thing, well, we have to limit those rights. We have to

32:49

take them away. We have to be the one in charge. And

32:53

they don't understand that

32:55

when you do that, when you start tearing

32:57

down the framework of government, you're

33:01

not necessarily the ones who are in charge

33:03

of building what comes next. I

33:08

don't think they understand that from a historical perspective.

33:10

I think that they're so blind to their power

33:12

and influence and their desire to rule over

33:15

the rest of us that they're

33:17

forgetting a lot of their history lessons. I

33:19

hope people will read and listen to all

33:22

that Cam produces because it's always fantastic stuff

33:24

at bearingarms.com and Cam and Company, the podcast.

33:26

How often are you doing Cam and Company

33:28

these days? Is it every day? Monday

33:31

through Thursday. I think Friday off because I've got a

33:33

little bit more writing to do for Bearing Arms, but

33:35

Monday through Thursday, folks could check it out. YouTube,

33:37

Rumble, all the major podcast platforms. You keep it

33:40

like a Carson schedule. I like that. Friday's

33:42

off. That's very nice. I'm kidding.

33:45

I'm just kidding. Cam Edwards on X, follow him there as

33:47

well. Cam, it's great to catch up, my friend. Thanks very

33:49

much. You know who does a fantastic

33:51

show if you haven't watched it or listened to

33:54

it. You should. Battleground Live every

33:56

single day. He is a combat veteran. He is

33:58

a New York Times bestselling author. He's

34:00

a patriot. He has

34:03

run for office across the Commonwealth of

34:05

Pennsylvania. But his voice now, it's

34:08

been growing and growing and growing, and I'm so

34:11

grateful that it is. People nationally,

34:13

conservatives nationally, have taken notice of what

34:15

Sean Parnell has to say. And what

34:17

I think is most important about that

34:19

is the fact that Sean knows Pennsylvania

34:22

well, and he can communicate to

34:24

other people about how Pennsylvania

34:26

operates, any kind of ground trouble

34:28

that there might be. He can

34:30

communicate that to a national party.

34:33

I'm always pleased with people on our

34:35

side, elevate the conversation for Pennsylvania nationally.

34:37

Sean's done that beautifully and

34:39

joins us again. Sean Parnell, welcome back, sir. Chris,

34:42

thank you. It's great to be here, and thank you

34:44

for that amazing introduction. That was very

34:47

kind of you. Well, I'm being, I love

34:49

our Commonwealth, man. I love it. I know

34:51

you do, and I know the family, Trump,

34:53

you have their ear, and you know this

34:56

because you've run across the state as a

34:58

candidate, so you know how to do it,

35:01

and you know where the holes are, and the problems

35:03

are. I feel like,

35:05

and I don't want to sound too overly

35:08

optimistic, but I feel like Laura

35:10

Trump has intimated now that she's co-chair of

35:12

the party, they get it. They

35:14

understand early ballot collection. There's going to be

35:16

a new gameplay. Christina Bob is their chief

35:19

election official.

35:21

I think they get it. Do you feel good about it?

35:25

I do. I do, and Laura

35:27

Trump is an effective leader, and

35:29

she's an effective organizer. She's also

35:31

an effective fundraiser, and

35:33

the mainstream media in the left are making

35:35

a whole thing about, oh, Laura Trump, and

35:38

Trump has taken over the RNC, but like

35:40

here's the deal. Trump

35:42

is the leader of the Republican

35:44

Party. Now, there might be some

35:46

conservatives out there, some old-school conservatives,

35:49

you know, who are Mitt

35:51

Romney, John McCain voters, establishment conservatives that

35:53

aren't happy with that, and I understand

35:55

that, but Trump is the leader

35:57

of the party, so it's important for his

36:00

party. priorities and people that

36:02

he puts into place at organizations

36:04

like the RNC to

36:06

be aligned with those priorities.

36:09

And you know, Ron and McDaniel

36:11

was, you know, an old

36:13

guard establishment conservative and didn't really

36:16

understand the moment that we're in.

36:19

And I mean, politics has

36:21

changed substantially. The game has

36:23

changed since 2020. Now, obviously,

36:25

I ran for Congress in

36:27

Western Pennsylvania and PA 17 in

36:29

2020 when we rolled out Act 77 and

36:31

all these no excuse mail in

36:33

ballots and they removed signature verification. We

36:35

had unsupervised drop boxes and no postmark

36:37

requirement and people deliver ballots up to

36:39

a week after Election Day. And

36:42

so for a time, Chris,

36:44

from 2020 to where we

36:46

are today, you know, I always say

36:48

it like this. Republicans focus on running

36:51

good campaigns and sometimes

36:53

they do a good job with that, sometimes

36:56

not. But Democrats

36:58

focus on elections. And

37:00

the truth is, moving forward as a party,

37:03

both incumbents, candidates and

37:05

organizationally at the top, we've

37:07

got to be able to run great campaigns and

37:10

focus on elections in order to win. And I

37:13

feel really, really, really good

37:15

about that better than I have in a

37:17

very long time in Pennsylvania for this 2024

37:19

cycle. Smart. I

37:21

love that. Instead of focusing on

37:24

campaigning, focus on elections. I hadn't

37:26

heard it ever said that way before. That's exactly right. Chris,

37:29

think about it. Like how

37:32

much money was spent in the

37:34

Senate primary last time? 300 plus

37:36

million dollars. People run an ad.

37:38

They're debating. And meanwhile, the

37:40

Democrats are out there gobbling up votes for

37:43

Federman, who, by the way, at that time

37:45

was suffering from a stroke and was completely

37:47

MIA from campaigning.

37:49

And he amassed over five

37:51

hundred thousand something like absurd early

37:54

vote lead. So you

37:57

see how the traditional campaign

37:59

mechanisms. When stacked up against that,

38:01

it doesn't work.

38:04

So we have to shift fire. I

38:07

said something that I really don't mean to

38:09

offend anyone in this audience who does this

38:11

work because I admire party leaders at the

38:13

county level, the municipal level. You

38:16

know these people in your own community. Every

38:18

community has the hardcore tried

38:21

and true, show up for

38:23

everything, organize everything, poll watching,

38:25

party chair people. They're

38:28

great. But

38:30

what they've done, and I

38:32

said this week, Sean, that

38:34

I'm really not trying to attack anybody here, but

38:37

I have spent so many years going to these

38:39

functions, different county or

38:41

municipal republican events and speaking to these

38:43

what I call rubber chicken dinners, right?

38:46

And I know you have too. And for the

38:48

first time in my life, I kind of look

38:50

at it as sort of silly, a little

38:53

vapid. To your point, it feels like we

38:55

spend a lot of time having country club dinners and

38:58

patting one another on the back and giving one

39:00

another awards and talking about those darn democrats and

39:02

shaking our fists while, as you say, they're out

39:04

pounding the pavement. It just feels like we've kind

39:06

of we've been doing it wrong, I guess is

39:08

what I am saying. Yeah,

39:11

we have been. And

39:14

it's important for people to keep in mind

39:16

that Pennsylvania is a swing state for a

39:18

reason. And that's because

39:20

it's a huge state. I

39:23

mean, 67 counties and the

39:25

state is extremely ideologically diverse. And

39:27

I've been at these party meetings

39:29

where you have, you know, county

39:31

party leaders from western Pennsylvania, deep

39:33

red areas from central Pennsylvania, deep

39:35

red areas and people from the

39:37

southeast in the southeast, you know,

39:39

where you are in Philly is

39:41

a completely different area, demographic ballgame

39:44

altogether than how you have to

39:46

fight in the west and in

39:48

central Pennsylvania. And in fact,

39:50

for a candidate to be successful statewide,

39:52

I would put forth that you have

39:54

to structure a campaign from an analysis

39:56

standpoint to where and of course,

39:59

it takes revenue to do. this. But hey, you're

40:01

can't you've got a one campaign in

40:03

the West, one campaign in

40:05

the center and in the Northeast and

40:07

an entirely different campaign in the

40:09

southeast. Now that doesn't mean principally, but

40:11

I'm talking about get out

40:14

the vote efforts, how you do

40:16

data analysis, where you do door

40:18

knocking, like you've got to think

40:20

it's more complicated in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania

40:22

is not, you know, it's

40:25

not, I would say, Alabama,

40:27

deep red Alabama, right? That's right. So you

40:29

just have to have a more nuanced, complicated

40:31

approach. And that's that's why it's a swing

40:33

state. Sean Parnell with us host of battleground

40:36

live on rumble. You got to

40:38

catch it. It's fantastic. Outlaw platoon his best

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40:43

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40:45

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40:47

early vote is something that this audience

40:49

is keenly aware of, we're

40:51

dialed in on we've been talking about for

40:53

years now. Does the Republican

40:56

Party in your view, I think I've asked you this

40:58

before, what's your assessment as you talk to party

41:01

officials in Pennsylvania, or

41:03

those that are now in charge nationally, do

41:05

they have a game plan? McCormick has

41:07

been on the show and says, Yes, we

41:09

get it. And we do. Do

41:12

they really do they understand collecting 600,000 votes for

41:14

Federman before election

41:16

day was how Democrats got it done last

41:18

time? Yeah, oh,

41:20

we do, we do. And you

41:22

can look to, you know, Fox News it ran with

41:24

an exclusive on this a couple days ago, a 10

41:28

figure, a 10 figure

41:30

movement. So in other words, on

41:32

a path to raise $10 million on

41:34

just this on just absentee

41:37

ballots, and what

41:39

the focus is, Chris, and I've said this for

41:41

a long time. And this is a plan that

41:43

I came up with a couple of years ago.

41:46

But the focus in Pennsylvania, and in fact, I've said

41:48

it on your show to Trump

41:50

brings out a crazy cross section of

41:53

voters that are not what you would

41:55

call non traditional Republican voters.

41:58

And those people might vote for

42:00

Trump or are only going to the polls to vote for

42:02

Trump. On 2020 those people were out

42:05

and they voted and so there's a

42:07

record of them voting and we know

42:09

that they vote for Trump and so those are

42:12

low prop Trump voters that probably don't vote in

42:14

you know midterm elections or off-cycle

42:17

elections. Our goal as a party

42:19

has to be to opt those people in

42:22

on early vote whether it's banking their vote

42:24

with mail-in ballots or whatever to get them

42:26

on the rolls to make sure that they show up

42:28

for midterms and off-cycle so that we have a floor

42:30

of turnout which is what the Democrats have done since

42:33

2020 and so I'm telling

42:36

you right now we're doing that with a target

42:38

of close to 200,000 people right

42:40

now. So if

42:43

we are successful if we are successful

42:45

and listen I

42:47

think that we're gonna be successful on this

42:49

Chris because it really it's just a numbers

42:51

game in Pennsylvania now right it's looking at

42:53

an Excel spreadsheet seeing the permanent mail-in vote

42:55

that the Democrats have doing everything that we

42:57

can to close the gap if

43:00

we hit that 200,000 number

43:02

and close the gap in early votes

43:04

significantly by 200,000 votes it's

43:06

gonna be darn near and like this

43:09

is outcome determinative for Republicans

43:12

statewide not only will it help

43:14

Trump and McCormick at the top of the ticket

43:17

it will help every down ballot Republican in

43:19

this state I'm just what I was telling

43:21

you earlier I am

43:23

so optimistic about

43:25

Pennsylvania moving forward and

43:28

look something like this what

43:30

we're doing here in this state has

43:33

never been done in any swing

43:35

state by a Republican coalition

43:37

of Republican groups ever ever

43:40

we're doing it here first and it's gonna it's

43:43

I'm telling you I'm super psyched about it I

43:45

love to hear it I just wrote a piece

43:47

at the my newsletter called the Hrumf Society

43:50

where I said you know pessimism I hear

43:52

I hear a lot about pessimism inside our

43:54

party right now I get it I hear

43:56

it you probably do to Every

43:59

week I get. Messages on X or

44:01

emails people say yes to

44:03

go I heard par nail

44:05

feeling optimistic and excited but

44:07

the machines or but chain

44:09

of custody pleasure as release.

44:12

Okay, so I understand why people are

44:14

pessimistic. You know we got our butts

44:16

kicked in the last several cycles because

44:18

we haven't shifted fire appropriately. thirty. And

44:22

here here's the deal. Like a somehow

44:24

to say this. I know that most

44:26

republicans don't like to say this, but

44:28

like democrats do, cheat and elections to

44:30

a been cheating and election since Eighteen

44:32

Sixty Four. If you don't believe me,

44:34

if you want fact, check me out

44:37

there. Go look up for this election.

44:39

And eighteen Sixty Four were Democrats were

44:41

literally tearing boxes of absentee. Ballots for

44:43

debt Union soldiers across state line in

44:45

New York to try to knock off

44:47

Abraham Lincoln. They weren't successful. but they've

44:49

been doing this since Eighteen Sixty Four.

44:52

But. Yes, soaks, that happens. But.

44:54

It's Under is important for people to understand

44:56

how the Democrats do it. They use the

44:58

voter rolls right. They look at the voter

45:00

rolls, they try to vote for people who

45:03

are what they were call one of for

45:05

voters, people who have a one time in

45:07

four cycles or maybe people who are on

45:09

the voter also haven't voted in twenty years

45:11

and they take a chance they saw on

45:13

a male about the vote for these people.

45:15

which is why during twenty twenty you hear

45:17

so many stories of people going to the

45:20

ballot boxes. a whole my gosh like. They're

45:22

saying I voted already. That's because they take

45:24

the sinuses a low prop voter. I'm gonna

45:26

vote for him and see what happens. And

45:29

so I do understand that the

45:31

new also understand that the Democrats

45:33

can only. Manipulate the

45:36

system, So. Much in

45:38

that that's completely within the confines

45:40

of the a electronic voter registration

45:43

database. The people who are on

45:45

the walls are on the roles.

45:47

So the reason why Trump is

45:50

such a powerful candidate? Is

45:52

your seen paradigm shifts in. very

45:55

traditionally strong democrat

45:57

areas like black

45:59

Americans and Latino Americans.

46:01

Trump is historically strong and you saw that

46:04

play out a couple nights ago in the

46:06

primary. He's getting historic numbers

46:08

with these two demographics, which have been

46:10

strongholds for Democrats for a long time.

46:12

So if you start chipping away at

46:16

those demos performing better with

46:18

independence that you did in 2020 and he is,

46:20

there's been a 16 point flip

46:22

there for Trump among independents. He's winning independence

46:24

now and maintain this rock solid

46:26

coalition of a base that has not budged but

46:28

grown since 2020, since 2016.

46:32

He's forming an

46:37

inevitable unbeatable coalition going

46:39

into 2024. I'm telling you, Chris,

46:41

and so there comes a point in

46:44

time with Democrats, but what

46:46

can they do? The voter rolls are what they

46:48

are. If people are shifting their perspective and voting

46:50

a certain way, it is what it is. They

46:52

can't do anything to change that. So

46:56

what I would say to people that are listening, go

46:58

out and vote because if you don't,

47:00

there's a chance the Democrats might do

47:02

it for you. So go out and

47:05

vote. If I could boil it down

47:07

to its essence, I think what I

47:09

hear you say, and I've heard this

47:11

before, is it's just a sheer math

47:13

and numbers game. They

47:16

can't cheat if we achieve a number too

47:19

big, too cheat to defeat. There

47:24

is, listen, I'm telling you, there's something

47:26

too big to rig. There is.

47:28

And like, you know, if

47:30

Democrats, the media, they'll call you a conspiracy

47:32

theorist for saying stuff like this, but that's

47:34

precisely why you know what we're saying is

47:37

true. Like how many conspiracy

47:39

theories have there been that have come true

47:41

over the last four years? Like, I

47:44

know their game. I know how they play.

47:46

They've been doing it for years. Take a

47:48

walk in Philadelphia, which I've done many times

47:50

and ask people, hey, is there voter fraud

47:52

in Philadelphia? And people laugh. Democrat Republican is

47:54

Philadelphia. Of course there is. Somebody in 2019

47:57

was just prosecuted for voter fraud in Philly.

48:00

was a former Congress person. Give me a break.

48:02

The idea that it doesn't happen, I'm

48:04

telling you. I had somebody on my show last night

48:06

who's one of the best pollsters in the business. His

48:09

dog's in a March Madness puppy bracket, and he's

48:11

talking about stuffing ballots for his dog to make

48:13

sure his puppy wins. I'm thinking, if people are

48:15

willing to cheat in a puppy bracket, what do

48:17

you think they're doing when the soul of the

48:19

country's on the line? Of course they're going to

48:21

cheat. You have been the

48:24

direct recipient, I'm sorry to say, of

48:26

what we call lawfare. You

48:28

were one of the early ones, even before Trump's

48:31

gone through what he's gone through. The

48:33

legal system being weaponized by Democrats

48:36

against Republicans is the new trick.

48:38

They can't beat you in

48:40

a head-to-head matchup on messaging, so

48:43

they're just trying to take you out legally.

48:45

Just like they're trying to obviously take Trump

48:47

out financially. If they can't

48:49

bail him, they want to financially break him. That's what

48:51

we're watching, right? You know this well. Yeah,

48:55

do you want to hear what actually happened with

48:57

me? I haven't really ever talked about it publicly,

48:59

but so yeah, so I

49:01

get Trump's endorsement in September of 2021, up 30 points

49:03

in the primary. At

49:06

that point, internal polls had us up six on

49:09

Federman. The exact same

49:11

day that I got Trump's endorsement,

49:14

all VA medical records leaked to

49:16

the media and to my donors

49:19

and my kids' medical records, custody

49:21

documents, things that were sealed up

49:24

at the court, all leaked. Where

49:26

did that come from? I have absolutely no idea.

49:30

So a couple months before that, I realized

49:33

that every single judge in Western Pennsylvania that

49:35

was over my custody case, which by the

49:38

way, at the time, was

49:40

about homework and extracurricular activities. Like

49:43

anybody that's ever been through a divorce and

49:45

has small kids with custody stuff realizes that

49:47

this is just how it goes. There

49:50

are always issues with homework. Who's taking the kids

49:52

where and when? So that

49:54

was what it was about. And

49:57

so every judge over my custody case in

49:59

about July, blank. I think it recuses my

50:01

case every single one. The

50:03

Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which at the time

50:06

was a 5-2 Democrat supermajority, largely considered

50:08

to be one of the most partisan

50:10

courts in the country, especially appoints a

50:13

Democrat judge over just

50:15

my case who's retired, not

50:18

beholden to the voters, and not even

50:20

from my area. At the

50:22

time, at the time, I was just like,

50:24

well, whatever, it's family court, like, it's disconnected

50:26

from politics. I didn't even think about it. But

50:28

now seeing what they're doing to Trump, making

50:31

sure that all the puzzle pieces are in

50:33

place to take this guy out, it's hard

50:36

to look at what happened to me and

50:38

think that, like, this wasn't their test run.

50:40

Yes. So they get this guy

50:42

over my case. It

50:44

was the whole thing was a

50:46

ridiculous hitchhike. And thankfully, I'm through it. And

50:48

that's what I want people to hear. Two

50:51

and a half years later, fighting in the

50:53

court, I'm through it. I've got a better

50:55

custody deal than I've ever had before in

50:57

my life. Like, the kids

51:00

are happy, they're healthy. There's

51:02

hope at the at the other end

51:04

of lawfare. You just have to

51:07

keep fighting through how unjust it all

51:09

is. And that's what you know, Trump,

51:11

he's going to keep fighting because that's what he

51:13

does. I think about you and I

51:15

have talked offline privately. And I thank you for sharing

51:17

that I didn't I never want to betray any confidences.

51:19

So I know you

51:22

haven't talked a lot about it. But one of the

51:24

things I know, just like Trump, you I mean, your

51:26

character is attacked, you're made out

51:28

to be a bad father, a bad husband.

51:31

I mean, you know, I mean, you're accused

51:33

of vicious things. And there's this new standard

51:35

on the left. You know, when did you

51:37

stop beating your wife is the new left

51:40

standard. It's the you

51:42

can't I mean, it's hard to recover from things

51:44

like that. And it would break a lot of

51:46

weaker people. And to your point, Trump

51:49

just I don't know why he does it, but he

51:51

keeps doing it. And he doesn't have to he certainly

51:53

doesn't need this headache, but he keeps going. Well,

51:58

I will tell you this, Chris, there were a lot

52:00

of moments in my life where I felt like it

52:02

did break me, because my kids,

52:04

anyone that knows me, anyone that has followed

52:07

my campaign for Congress, which by the way,

52:09

none of these stuff was ever an issue,

52:11

spoke in primetime at the Republican National Convention

52:13

in 2020. None of

52:16

this was ever an issue. My kids were with me

52:18

everywhere. And anybody

52:20

that knows me knows that my kids

52:22

are by far the most important thing

52:24

in my life. And so they, whatever

52:26

opposition that we

52:28

had also knew that. And

52:31

so if people

52:34

have questions during that 2020 race,

52:37

when all this stuff went down, Raphael

52:39

Warnock, a sitting incumbent senator

52:41

in Georgia, was

52:43

going through the exact same thing

52:45

that I was going through. Yet

52:48

the media was completely silent about

52:50

that. But the media, and I'm

52:52

talking billion dollar media conglomerates, sued

52:55

me to be a part of

52:57

my custody trial. Like what my

52:59

children had to do with any

53:01

of that was beyond me. Like

53:04

my children didn't sign up to run. But they're

53:07

suing me. Like what hope do I have

53:09

a middle class guy that lives paycheck to

53:11

paycheck, going up against multi billion dollar media

53:14

conglomerates? So they come after me like that.

53:16

But Raphael Warnock gets a complete pass. So

53:19

there's a different standard for Democrats than

53:21

there are for Republicans. We know that.

53:24

But the point is, is that like,

53:27

getting to your original

53:29

point, Trump doesn't stop fighting. And

53:31

I know this because I know his

53:34

kids and I know him because he

53:36

really does believe that we have

53:38

a country to save. He

53:41

believes that this isn't some like narcissistic

53:43

endeavor for Trump. Believe me, like the

53:45

guy doesn't need this. He could have

53:48

cascaded off into the sunset with a supermodel

53:50

wife and spent his time on beaches, some

53:52

of the most pristine beaches in the world.

53:55

He doesn't need this. The

53:57

whole reason why he did it was to save

53:59

this country. Because he came

54:01

up in a country that was diametrically opposed

54:03

to the one that we're living in right

54:06

now. He has kids. He has grandkids.

54:08

I have kids. And I don't want them

54:10

to grow up in a country that

54:13

is like New York, which

54:15

is basically a failed communist state

54:17

now. And so

54:20

my point is, yes, this stuff

54:22

is really hard. This is why

54:24

good people don't get involved in politics.

54:26

I was an outsider. My problems are

54:29

the same as everybody else's. We all got stuff.

54:32

But we don't have a choice, Chris. It's either

54:35

people that are outside politics get involved

54:37

because they're good people and they want

54:39

to change this country for the better

54:42

or we lose our country. We

54:44

don't have a choice. We have to fight. That's

54:46

exactly right. And I just you know, you stare

54:48

down the barrel of an attorney general threatening to

54:50

seize Trump's assets now. You know, he's got this

54:52

Monday deadline to come up with half a bit.

54:54

I mean, it's it feels at times,

54:56

I think, again, back to that kind of pessimism

54:59

thing, people feel sort of almost like God, maybe

55:01

they're winning. Maybe they're exploiting the system to such

55:03

a degree. They're going to choke

55:05

the life out of any attempt for

55:07

Trump to win. And I think people feel that

55:09

way. But you say, keep

55:12

calm and press on. There's sunlight on the other

55:14

side of this. Yeah,

55:17

yeah. There's something that happened in Ranger School. They call

55:19

it the march of unknown distance. And, you know, I

55:21

don't know how much time you have left. But it's

55:23

like it the Ranger

55:25

instructors put out the idea that a

55:28

march will only be 10 miles. And

55:30

then it gets you on this forced march with like 100 pounds

55:33

on your back. You've slept one hour a

55:35

day for a week. You've eaten one meal

55:38

a day for a week. You're starving. You're

55:40

exhausted. You're hallucinating. And you have it in

55:42

your mind that it's going to be 10

55:44

miles. And when you hit that 10 mile

55:47

mark and the Ranger instructors say, keep

55:49

going, you would be shocked or

55:51

maybe you wouldn't be by how many people

55:53

fall out of that march because they get

55:55

it in their head that this is the

55:57

finish line. But the truth is that my

55:59

march. Ranger School was 19 miles.

56:01

It wasn't 10. We lost like

56:04

over half of our class on that

56:06

march. What I learned that

56:09

day is that like sometimes in

56:11

life you just have to have faith and

56:13

if you want it bad enough it's just

56:15

about putting one foot in front of the

56:17

next. Just have faith

56:19

that things will get better and

56:23

things often do. So just two

56:25

Republicans right now who feel hopeless

56:28

keep fighting stay the course put one

56:30

foot in front of the other. Amen

56:32

and by the way we serve a

56:34

just God. If you're a believer and

56:36

a creator the ultimate justice is

56:38

a God who oversees the whole thing and he

56:40

knows exactly what's going to

56:43

happen before it happens. So listen Sean always

56:45

it's just great to talk to you and

56:47

if people listen to this conversation and don't

56:49

feel like well all right saddle up

56:51

let's go. I don't know what's going to get it

56:53

done. Thank you my friend very very much. Thanks

56:56

Chris. Thank you Chris. I love coming

56:58

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