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This is twenty four, a

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weekly highlight reel from the Clay Travis

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and Buck Sexton Show featuring all

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things election coverage.

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Let's get started. Here are Clay

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and Buck. We're

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just talking about that NBC News report on

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Marco Rubio. Following

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up on a little bit, Buck, Here's what I think

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the VP choice will tell us.

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Where does Trump think that

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he has ground to make up and

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or where can he put Biden potentially

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on the defensive. If he picks,

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like I said, a black guy to

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me, it would mean if he picks Tim Scott, if

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he picks Ben Carson, it

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will mean that he thinks, hey,

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there is ground to be made

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up among black men, and this is

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my sign that I'm really going after

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that group. If he picks Marco

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Rubio, I think it would be a sign,

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hey, there's a lot of Hispanic

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voters out there that I believe are in

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this will be the step that he's taking.

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And I think if he goes with a

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woman, whether it's christinoam

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or Sarah Huckabee Sanders or you

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know who's third. You know who's the third most likely person

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to be selected right now for VP? And the gambling

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markets is but I think you said Nicky Haley, right, that's

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right.

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Yeah.

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Number one right now is Tim Scott

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in the gambling markets. Number two

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right now is Christine Noam.

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Third place as we speak right

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now, Nicky Haley third

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most likely to be selected for VP.

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Now.

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Marco Rubio has jumped up a little bit since

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this NBC News report, But I think it's worth paying

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attention. Some of these decisions

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could be dictated by the polling data

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that the Trump team has that they are

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reviewing. And I believe

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we have audio of this. Buck, there's

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a full fledged panic going on associated

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with everything having to do

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with the Michigan polling data, all

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right, and so

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I want to I want to play

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a couple of these because they talked

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about it on CNN. This is Harry

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Inton talking about the decline

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and support for Joe Biden in Michigan.

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And Buck, you and I were on the cutting edge of this

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because my wife's from Michigan.

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I know that state fairly well.

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I spend a decent amount of time there lots

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of Arab voters for Joe Biden,

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lots of Jewish voters for Joe Biden. What

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happened on October seventh has created

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a true schism for him between

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those two identity groups. Here's Harry

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Inton talking about that.

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What we see here as back in twenty twenty, according to the exit

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poll, Joe Biden won voters of color in Michigan

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by sixty two points. Look at that advantage

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today, it has been sliced by a

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third, only twenty one points.

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That's Joe Biden's lead over Donald Trump among

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voters of color. Among white voters, Donald Trump

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has gained a little bit of steam as well. It was eleven points

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in twenty twenty. His marchin over Joe Biden right

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now is sixteen points. But this decline

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in support for Joe Biden among voters

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of color in Michigan is something we've been seeing

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in state after state, interstate and nationally

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as well, where he's got some big problems.

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This is a historic low amount of support

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for a democratic presidential Canada among

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voters of color, and it seems to be happening across

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the board.

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Okay, Michigan, he's down eight.

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Also, the issue

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that Biden can't escape immigration

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buck. Here is the polling data on

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immigration. Of everything out there,

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this is where Biden drowns.

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Listen and a Marquette University Law School

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Paul that was put out last month. Look at

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that advantage that Donald Trump has on immigration

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and border security. It's near thirty

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points. This is a tremendous change

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that's going on. And it's no wonder that Donald Trump

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is running on immigration. Voters at this particular

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point are quite concerned about immigration, and

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they trust Donald Trump on this particular

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improveson. Biden has been courting Latino

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voters in the Southwest.

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Where does he stand?

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Yeah, so you know, you might think, you know that Hispanic

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voters might be the types of folks who would have a

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backlash against Donald Trump's marks, Right,

3:57

Ain't the case? If you ask Hispanic

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voters who do they trust more on border security

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and immigration? Overwhelmingly they

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trust Donald Trump Moore by

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a tremendous Martin. Look at that forty nine twenty

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four percent?

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You buy it?

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Do you buy that Biden's this far underwater in

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Michigan because if he loses Michigan, Buck, he

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cannot be electedretty much?

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Four? Yes?

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Yeah?

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I think right now? Yes, I mean, the election as

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we know is not now, so it's way

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way too early. One of my mantras in life is

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never celebrate too early because I've just I

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just think it's it's like, yeah,

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if you don't want to high step into that end zone and get tackled

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at the two yard line, it's it's bad because

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I think you can jinx yourself. And even if you're not

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somebody who believes in that kind of stuff, the

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emotional damage you do to yourself when

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you celebrate and then you you know, when you

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think you won the lottery because you didn't read off the

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last number, and and then you find out, oh wait,

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that's really hard to handle. So we don't

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want to get ahead of ourselves. There's a ton of time,

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but yes, right now, look Biden, it

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makes sense. There's nothing about this that

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I think we are missing. Remember

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in twenty twenty two, a lot of the stuff that

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they were able to pull off was well,

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Biden's not on the ballot, right, so they

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were able to shape the narrative

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for different races, some key races in

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ways that unfortunately broke for Democrats.

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Biden's very much on the ballot this time, at

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least for now. And I think

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that on the immigration, the Michigan

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issue is really important. I want to dive into that. But on the immigration

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issue and why he's so far underwater. You

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have two things that make it really complicated.

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And there was that video of

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migrants massing at the border

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and rushing and

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getting violent with national

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guard there right, so just just bursting

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through them, shoving them out of the way. Those

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kind of visuals stay

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with people, and that went viral

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just in the last twenty four hours. The problem Biden

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has on immigration play is the

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numbers are just shocking.

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I mean the number of illegals. Actually

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it's really three things. The numbers are shocking. It'll

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be eight million by the time he's actually running

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for president or running for reelection.

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Democrat cities are feeling the pain and have

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said so, so the numbers

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really high. Democrats admit it's a

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problem. And then this is the key. Unlike

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some other things, Biden came

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in and explicitly said, you

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know what Trump was doing at the border, I'm

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going to stop that and do other

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things. He flipped the switch in the

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other direction. You know, he didn't do that on China

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trade, he didn't do that on some other things.

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On immigration, he did this. He

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decided to take the country in a dramatically

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different direction. We are paying the price,

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and they can't. They can't sort

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of message massage around this

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one.

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It's too clear.

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And look the I understand,

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and I don't get as many of these now. I don't know

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if you still do buck people who say the

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polls are all rigged.

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I don't believe any of the polls.

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Like now that we've settled on Trump

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and Biden are going to run against each other. I

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do think it's worth looking at the overall

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picture out there and in all

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of the swing states right now, Trump

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leads in all seven and if

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you want to count North Carolina

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as a swing state, he leads there too. He

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only needs of the seven swing

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states, he only needs to win three or

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four.

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Of them, depending on the math.

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And again I focus on Michigan because

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if Trump wins Michigan, this

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race is over. He's going to be the president of the United

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States in twenty twenty four. Now there

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are other states out there, obviously that can

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be tipping point states as well. I

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mean, you could have Georgia, Nevada,

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Arizona, and some sort

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of other permutations out there without

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necessarily having to get in the Midwest. But

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basically the blue wall has to

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hold for Biden in the Midwest, Wisconsin,

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Michigan, and Pennsylvania. He

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has to win. If he loses any of the three,

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he's in trouble. But if he loses Michigan,

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I think he's likely to also lose Mishisigan.

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In Wisconsin, I think there's a strong correl

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correlation factor there. But what's unique

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about Michigan is this Arab

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Jewish coalition of voters that

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is abandoning him. It's really

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hard to play both sides, and

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this thing doesn't seem like it's going away buck And remember,

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guys, corrected me if I'm wrong on this. I

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think voting in the Midwest, this is

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going to sound crazy to you, guys, starts

8:23

in five months, like five

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and a half months. So once

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the early voting starts, in other words,

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and I want as many of y'all out there voting early

8:32

as can. You're chasing

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a diminishing number of voters. So

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whatever the snapshot is of

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where the race is, let's

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say in early October, that

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snapshot becomes a reality because

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polling is just a snapshot of a couple

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of days before. But you're

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banking huge numbers. Remember

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John Fetterman had half of his vote

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in in Pennsylvania before or

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they even had that debate. Buck the

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best Democrat senator by the

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way, Yeah, our favorite Democrat

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senator. I mean, by half of the vote. Think

9:09

about how crazy that is before they even debated.

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They're gonna try to do that. Don't make any mistake to

9:13

the extent that Biden is even willing to debate

9:15

Trump. They want the Democrats to do as

9:18

much of their vote banked as they can, so

9:20

there's no fallout from that debate. But I

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do think one of the big stories

9:24

was, Okay, Biden had the entire

9:26

stage to himself for the State of the Union.

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There was no immediate response

9:31

by Trump, and Biden's numbers

9:34

have at best state even and

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they've ticked down some places.

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That means there was no bump. There was no

9:41

like, oh, we saw Biden, we liked what he

9:43

said in the State of the Union. Let's give him

9:45

the benefit of the doubt. There has yet

9:47

to be a bump. You're gonna get into April,

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you're gonna get into May. People go on vacation.

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It's hard to move the needle. In June

9:55

and July and August. There's

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panics I think starting to set in, and the Bible, White

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House.

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I really do sex and calls,

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and specifically, I'm curious

10:05

if anyone out there loves the idea

10:07

of Mark or Rubio as VP.

10:09

I mean, I'm a Floridian.

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Like I said, Rubio is a solid senator.

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There's no part of me that's here's

10:15

that it says that's crazy. I just hadn't

10:17

heard him in the conversation before. Is

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this though? Just it could be as simple as NBC

10:21

knows this will get a lot of attention, right, I

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don't know.

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They cited six sources, so somebody

10:26

may have floated that.

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There's something Clay you need to know. It's called

10:30

fake news, and they do it. The news

10:32

can be fake, No, but I really, I mean they're

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going they are going deep on this one. For

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Yeah, for a news organization

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that needs to maintain whatever shreds of

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credibility it has left.

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You're listening to twenty four

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The Year of Impact with Clay

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and.

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Buck Bernie

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Moreno, I'm going to figure out how to pronounce

10:55

his name. But first, do you remember

10:57

where you were when Princess Diana

10:59

died? I?

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Actually I do. It is interesting because remember

11:03

I was a Mercedes Benz dealer, so

11:06

The car that she drove in was a Mercedes Benz.

11:08

I happened to be on the Mercedes dealer board and

11:10

we spent a ton of time understanding

11:13

how the accident occurred. Mercedes sent people

11:15

there this scene. It was pretty pretty surreal,

11:18

it was. It was a crazy, crazy time, all

11:20

right.

11:20

So first, and that again on

11:23

expense, let's talk about your run for the United

11:25

States.

11:26

First, figure out how to pronounce your

11:28

name.

11:28

Because we've been talking and congratulating

11:31

you about winning the Republican primary in Ohio.

11:33

We encourage everybody out there listening to make sure they

11:35

go vote for you in Ohio. But

11:38

from the man himself, how should we be

11:40

pronouncing your name?

11:42

It's Bernie Marino unless you speak

11:44

Spanish. But if you don't speak Spanish, it's

11:46

just Bernie Marino. So imagine if

11:48

Bernie Kozar and Dan Marino

11:51

got together and it is like.

11:52

I said, like Marino, Yeah, that's

11:54

easy, that's easy for me. I won't mess

11:56

that up anymore. All right, buck you fire away. We got

11:58

that solved.

12:00

Oh glad, We've got it all squared away. First

12:02

off, tell us what got you into

12:04

this game, so to speak, in the

12:06

first place, Why you want to run for Senate. What do

12:08

you want to do, what's top of the agenda for the

12:10

great state of Ohio. Or if they elect you, which

12:12

we certainly hope they will.

12:14

Well, As you know, I came from another country. I

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was born in South America. I moved to the US when I

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was a kid, became a citizen at the first

12:21

opportunity I could, which is when I turned eighteen.

12:23

This country's given me every opportunity in

12:25

the world to succeed. I've succeeded

12:28

well beyond my expectations. And

12:31

I see this country heading off a cliff. I

12:33

see career politicians doing very little,

12:35

if nothing about it. And so either

12:37

you work and defend your

12:39

country and do what you can to save it for your

12:41

kids and grandkids, or you give up. And I'm

12:43

absolutely never going to give up on America.

12:46

So it just means that all of us have to lean in

12:48

more than we probably wanted to. We have to get

12:50

maybe a little bit more uncomfortable than we like,

12:53

but we have to do whatever we each

12:56

individually can do to fight

12:58

like hell for this country to make sure we leave it better

13:00

for our kids and great kids.

13:01

I know that you are terrifying

13:04

people in the Democrat Party

13:06

because whenever I see the most unabashed

13:10

and indefensible attacks, I'm

13:12

like, this guy or this gal has got people

13:15

rattled. And the AP put

13:17

out a story, and as a guy who has a public email

13:19

address, I can't believe they ran with this.

13:21

They tried to accuse you of being on

13:23

a sex website because somebody

13:26

put your email address in

13:29

and they treated it like it was the equivalent

13:31

of, you know, like a major story

13:34

to try to rip you to shreds. But it

13:36

sounds like what I'm starting to

13:38

get the sense on is people are getting

13:40

smarter. It sounds like it actually may have ended

13:42

up helping you because people saw it

13:44

as such an illegitimate and unfair attack.

13:48

Well, it just highlights how disgustingly

13:50

dishonest the media is. I mean, they knew as

13:52

a false story they put it out there. Journalism

13:55

is dead in America for the most part, and

13:57

they have no standard. This is a story that

14:00

Daily Mail refused to cover, but

14:03

the Associated pressed it. I meant,

14:05

I should tell you everything you need to know. When the

14:07

National Inquirer is embarrassed

14:09

by a story that the AP puts out,

14:12

you know that the world's flipped upside down. But

14:15

you know, the media is all in for Democrats.

14:18

You know, you could imagine if I was running as a

14:20

liberal Democrat, the

14:22

headlines would be Hispanic immigrant

14:25

Bernie Marino with compelling life story,

14:28

sacrifices everything to save America.

14:30

They have rose pedals for me in major city

14:33

Instead, I'm a Trump backed maga extremist

14:36

that is accused of all kinds of crazy things.

14:39

So Bernie, we know that Ohio

14:42

in recent elections gone solidly read

14:45

in presidential elections, and our

14:48

friend jd Vance would be the other

14:50

senator from your great state. Assuming

14:53

that this election goes the way we all hope that

14:55

it does. I have a feeling that Shared

14:58

Brown, your competitor from

15:00

the Democrats side, is going to do what a lot

15:02

of Democrats do in purple or

15:05

redish states, and that is

15:07

pretend not so much to be a Democrat.

15:10

What are some of the key differences between

15:13

you and Brown on these

15:15

on major issues?

15:17

Well, he votes almost one hundred percent of

15:19

the time with Joe Biden, and the Joe Biden

15:22

agenda is extremely bad for

15:24

working class Ohioans. That's

15:26

why he's going to lose with such big

15:28

margins in November. You can't be somebody

15:31

who helps the working class and yet

15:33

wants unlimited illegal

15:36

immigration, because that drives wages

15:38

down, it drives insurance costs up,

15:40

it drives housing costs up, food prices

15:43

up. You can't be somebody who's for the

15:45

working class and shut down coal mines

15:47

and natural gas operations and drilling

15:49

rigs and oil refineries because those

15:51

are good, high paying union jobs.

15:53

And also, you can't be somebody who advocates

15:56

in the working class when you want the

15:58

very working class to sell saidie

16:00

people to go to college to get humanities

16:03

and gender studies degrees. So this

16:05

guy is a total fraud. We're going

16:07

to expose him that way. He wants everybody driving

16:10

an electric vehicle again, something

16:12

that hurts working class Americans. He

16:14

has a terrible track record. My point

16:16

of view is very simple. After fifty years,

16:18

it's time to retire the old commie and that's what

16:20

we're going to do.

16:21

This fall tough question

16:23

for you here, and I don't know if you've prepared for it. You

16:26

live in Ohio. Are you a Browns

16:28

or a Bengals guy? Are you a

16:31

Guardians? They're always going to be the Indians to me,

16:33

or a Reds guy, like, how do you make your

16:36

allegiances known in the state of Ohio.

16:39

Well, definitely a Browns fans, it's

16:42

you know, you have to have some therapy to be

16:44

a brown fan, so as part of the process.

16:47

But we're going to win the Super Bowl this year. I

16:49

know if you know that Nick Chubb is going

16:51

to be.

16:51

Back, I'll take the I'll take the other side

16:53

on that bed. I feel very I'll bet you a stake

16:55

on the Browns if the Browns, well,

16:58

let's say, I'll give you on you

17:00

you shoot us a bet here. But I

17:02

feel very confident the Browns are not going to win the Super

17:04

Bowl. But I respect the enthusiasm.

17:07

Of course every year. That's what you have to say, is what we say

17:09

in Cleveland. That's what gets us through the winter. But

17:11

we're not a great season. We had a great season

17:13

last year. We've had a lot of injuries,

17:16

but we've got a great new coach. Uh.

17:18

The ownership is committed to make certain

17:20

that we win. So absolutely a diehard

17:22

Brownson.

17:25

Turning back to politics for a second, I'm just curious

17:28

most important question in Ohio, by the way,

17:31

what are you thinking when you see that the

17:33

House is passing a trillion dollars spending

17:35

bill, and it feels like a lot of people

17:38

right now on the Republican

17:40

side of things are frustrated

17:42

with just business as usual. The spending

17:45

certainly feels pretty uniparty.

17:46

Bernie.

17:48

Yeah, the challenge is we don't control the

17:50

levers of government that allow us to really

17:52

do much different, and we

17:54

don't really negotiate very well.

17:57

We're afraid of our own shadow.

18:00

So what we have to do is we have to get

18:02

the White House back. We have to win the Senate. We'll

18:04

keep the House, and when we do, we're

18:07

going to actually do the

18:09

things that we campaign on. It's very hard for the

18:11

House because whatever they do that's a conservative

18:13

budget is going to get new in the Senate

18:15

and Biden will never sign it. The reality

18:17

is the Democrats want to take this country

18:19

off a cliff. They want to keep spending unlimited

18:22

money. They want to put us all dependent on

18:24

the government. They want to send our money

18:26

to foreign governments. They want to send money to countries

18:29

that hate us, which, by the way, they'll hate

18:31

us for free. So let's just take the opportunity

18:33

to let them hate us for free. Instead of giving them money to hate

18:35

us. These are the things that we got to do

18:37

is put America first, put

18:40

the interest in the United States citizens above

18:42

all else. That's what's going to change next

18:44

year. It's hard to do it when you have divided

18:46

government, when you have Democrats that are just completely

18:48

out of their minds, you.

18:50

Know, Clay, That's what I tell communists when they can

18:52

listen on the radio, I say, you can hate me for free.

18:54

Just listen to the radio commedies. You know,

18:56

the more the merrier.

18:57

Hey, Bernie mentioned

19:00

your history coming to America five

19:02

years old, building an

19:05

incredibly successful life for you and your family

19:07

in Ohio. I think the biggest

19:09

lie that Democrats tell,

19:12

and I think your life story will refute it,

19:14

But I'm curious how you would address it

19:16

is that America is a fundamentally racist place

19:19

because people are dying to

19:21

get in here legally or illegally

19:24

every single day. Why

19:26

do you think they sell that? And why do

19:28

you think now Hispanic, black,

19:31

Asian, white people, it seems

19:33

to me are overwhelmingly rejecting

19:35

that, and it's making them make the argument

19:37

even harder.

19:39

Well, you know, the worst scenario

19:41

in that is these white over educated

19:43

liberals that spend too much time in Martha's

19:46

vineyard to contemplating themselves. This is

19:48

the greatest country on earth. This country

19:50

is absolutely the beacon of

19:52

freedom and liberty for the rest of the world. Those

19:54

of us who came here by choice instead

19:56

of being here by birth

19:59

understand that. We also understand there's

20:01

no other place to go if this place goes

20:03

to hell, and that's why we're working

20:05

so hard to fight for this country. I'll

20:08

make a prediction for you, aside from the Browns one, this

20:10

one is maybe a little bit more likely. President

20:13

Trump and Republicans will win the Hispanic vote

20:16

this year. I'm the first Hispanic

20:18

like this statewide in Ohio. I'll

20:20

be the first South American born senator. And

20:23

yet, of course the person who endorsed

20:25

me is accused of being of racist who hates Hispanics,

20:27

which, by the way, so have I. They've said I'm

20:29

an immigrant hating South American And

20:32

the reality is maybe I have a couple of cousins that are

20:34

on the bubble, but normally no, I don't hate

20:36

South America, obviously, and

20:39

it's just propaganda on the other side.

20:41

And we're going to We're gonna make a lot of inroads in the black

20:43

community too, because illegal

20:45

immigration, inflation, all

20:47

these things hurt minority communities

20:49

more than any other community. You look

20:51

at Martha's Vineyard. A handful

20:54

of a couple dozen illegal showed up in Martha's

20:56

Vineyard. They were dismissed out of there

20:58

with military escorts within twenty four

21:00

hours, even though, by the way, eighty percent of

21:02

those homes are empty most of the year.

21:05

It just shows you it's just this

21:08

white liberal elitism is what's

21:10

killing this country.

21:11

Bernie Marino, everybody running for Senate and

21:13

Ohio critical race. Bernie, what's your site?

21:17

That's berniemarino dot com. If your

21:19

listeners could go in tip a few bucks into the

21:21

website, it makes a big difference. My opponent

21:23

is funded by the worst people

21:26

in the country and they're gonna have a lot of money,

21:28

So whatever you can do would be greatly appreciated.

21:32

You're listening to twenty four The

21:35

Most Important Tier in Politics

21:37

with Clay Travis att Box Sexton.

21:41

Trump is raging

21:44

as he will be forced to sell off great

21:46

assets. That's a quote at firesale

21:48

prices to pay the four hundred

21:50

and fifty million dollar New York fraud fine, we've

21:53

got some of his truth social rants

21:55

to get into. The Supreme Court has indefinitely

21:58

blocked Tech from

22:01

enforcing any immigration law. So to be

22:03

clear, the government has decided

22:07

the federal government, at least in the Supreme

22:09

Court, is

22:11

the only only

22:14

arbiter of anything having to do with the border.

22:17

A state is not allowed to enforce

22:19

the border. I wonder if Texas

22:21

may just try to call the bluff

22:23

here and keep going with it. But nonetheless,

22:26

we've got Letitia

22:28

James making some very

22:30

ominous threats about what's going to happen in

22:33

Trump world. We

22:35

have Peter Navarro former

22:37

You ever interviewer or meet him,

22:39

Clay, I've interviewed on the show ever,

22:42

I can't remember. Yeah we did once,

22:45

Yeah, I back in the Trump era

22:47

when he was president. I remember interviewing Peter

22:49

a few times on trade stuff. Peter

22:51

Navarro, everybody's an ex White House aide who

22:53

is turning himself into federal

22:55

prison today. Federal

22:58

prison for Peter Navarro for or refusing

23:01

to comply with the House

23:03

Select Committee show trial.

23:05

Over January sixth.

23:07

Very very rare for

23:10

someone to be sent to prison

23:13

for contempt of Congress,

23:15

But that is what is going on here, So they're

23:17

breaking rules, They're breaking norms all

23:20

over the place. Also, Donald Trump has

23:22

sued George Stephanopoloupolas

23:25

and ABC News

23:27

for alleged defamation. We

23:31

could assess that, but you know, Trump's

23:33

got other legal things we're gonna get into here, Clay, let's start

23:36

with this. I want to give everyone

23:38

a few of Trump's truth a couple of Trump's

23:40

truth social posts here because

23:43

he's up against the deadline right now. On Monday,

23:45

Letitia James, the New York State Attorney General,

23:48

can start seizing assets for

23:50

the judgment for an unpaid court judgment in the

23:52

state of New York. Here's what Trump is saying about

23:55

it. And then, Clay, you tell me where you think this is going. The

23:57

corrupt political hacks in New York judge

24:00

and ag are asking me to put up

24:02

massive amounts of money before I'm allowed to

24:04

appeal the ridiculous decision never

24:06

done before, no jury, no victim,

24:09

full disclaimer, clause, happy banks,

24:12

election interference, all caps,

24:14

witch hunt, all caps, Clay,

24:17

all of that is true, But

24:19

I don't know how Trump manages to get

24:22

around this. I'm trying to look

24:24

at what are his options, what are the places he

24:26

can go to get out of this maze.

24:29

So we talked about this a few weeks

24:31

ago and kind of laid

24:33

it out that even

24:36

billionaires do not typically

24:38

have large acts

24:41

large amounts of cash, because it isn't

24:43

very efficient to be sitting on

24:45

piles of cash.

24:47

You want your money to be working for

24:49

you.

24:50

And so I said that I thought

24:52

Trump was probably going to have a great deal

24:54

of difficulty coming up with this four

24:56

hundred and fifty million dollars plus

24:59

the hundred million or some such that

25:01

he also had to put down. It

25:03

appears that Trump has somewhere

25:05

in the neighborhood of maybe a couple one hundred million

25:08

dollars in somewhat liquid assets,

25:11

and that is what they use to put a

25:13

bond down on the Egene

25:15

Carrol case. Now he's

25:17

got to put forward four hundred and fifty

25:19

some odd million dollars as

25:21

a bond payment to appeal the

25:24

verdict against his businesses, and

25:26

he doesn't have that cash. And we

25:28

have talked on this program. I

25:31

have a small pinprick

25:33

of the real estate assets that Donald

25:36

Trump would have, but buck

25:38

I have seen, for instance, I own

25:40

a part of nearly twenty acres

25:42

of commercial real estate in

25:45

the vicinity of Franklin, Tennessee. And

25:48

I'm a part of a group there and we

25:50

went to go REFI and

25:52

the bank just refused to REFI, so

25:54

we had to buy it out completely.

25:57

And I don't know if I talked about this on

25:59

the show, but that is

26:01

emblematic of what's going on right

26:03

now with many different commercial

26:05

real estate assets all over the country.

26:08

Banks are terrified of

26:10

getting caught in this interest

26:12

rate rise, and so they're not

26:14

willing to REFI right now.

26:16

Well, Clay, but it's I mean, it's much

26:18

worse than that, right because it's

26:20

not that the banks were afraid to do something

26:22

for you because you

26:25

are hitler and about to end the Republic.

26:27

And this is the part of it that I've

26:30

said for a long time on radio, that

26:33

you don't have to burn down all the villages. You only

26:35

have to burn down one, and the rest of the villagers

26:37

often get the idea. And

26:40

with Trump, they are sending a message

26:43

not just politically to anybody who would

26:45

support Trump, but also financially.

26:48

All these buildings that people are looking

26:50

at and saying, well, it's worth five hundred million,

26:52

you know, forty Wall Street it's worth, however,

26:54

hundreds of millions and Trump Tower and

26:57

these different properties that he owns. What

26:59

percentage of the property does he own.

27:01

We don't know how many partners does

27:03

he have, what kind

27:06

of shareholder or partner

27:08

agreement exists for it. So

27:10

even if he wanted to liquidate some of

27:12

these buildings, it's not clear

27:14

which ones he would be able to override

27:17

the others. And if he could get everyone

27:19

to agree to liquid let's just say he did own eighty

27:21

percent of it or fifty one percent or whatever, and

27:23

he could liquidate it.

27:25

Who wants to be the buyer?

27:26

There's actually no incentive to be the buyer

27:28

right now because the price is only

27:31

going down. Trump is being forced

27:33

into the situation where he's a billionaire running

27:35

onto the used car lot saying I'm not leaving

27:38

here with that. I'll go to prison

27:40

unless I buy one of your cars. That

27:42

only forces the price down, right, So they

27:45

create a spiral of all this additional

27:47

pressure. Nobody wants to do business with him, Nobody

27:50

wants to be involved in bailing him

27:52

out. I'm talking about that from a business perspective,

27:54

And they basically

27:57

serve their own interest by waiting

27:59

and seeing how how low some of these prices will

28:01

go.

28:02

Yeah, and so it's not only that they've

28:04

come after him, it's that they've happened to

28:06

end up coming after him at probably

28:09

the worst time to be trying to sell commercial

28:11

real estate since two thousand and eight. So

28:14

even if he wanted to liquidate assets,

28:17

that's why look mar A Lago. I don't know what

28:19

percentage of mar A Lago he owns. They

28:21

valued it at eighteen million dollars. I

28:24

rush just the Russia's

28:27

wife just sold his property

28:30

in Palm Beach for what, almost one hundred and

28:32

fifty million dollars, not far

28:34

from mar A Lago. I would think

28:36

you and I have been to mar A Lago several times. I

28:38

believe it's eighteen acres. It's both fronting

28:41

the canal there and

28:43

as well as beach ass access. I

28:46

would think that mar A Lago is probably

28:48

worth four hundred and fifty or five

28:50

hundred million dollars right now.

28:53

I don't think that's a crazy number. I don't

28:55

know what percentage of it Trump owns, But this

28:57

is why I said on yesterday's program,

29:00

I would like to think that

29:02

somebody who is worth tens of billions

29:04

of dollars. Who is a Trump supporter

29:07

would look at this and say, this

29:10

is financial shenanigans. Let

29:12

me see your assets. I'll give

29:14

you a loan. I don't want you

29:16

worried about this. They're coming

29:18

after you entirely because of politics.

29:21

Now is somebody willing to do it?

29:22

I don't know, Well, Clay, the

29:24

other part of it is he could

29:26

lose on appeal and then this.

29:28

Which is why the assets, which is why

29:30

the assets have to be supporting the

29:33

valuation here, right, Or what.

29:35

I'm saying is who thinks

29:37

that Trump is going to pay them back at that point?

29:39

Well, that's why you have to have the asset bonded, right

29:42

Like you have to say at that point,

29:44

okay, then I have the collateral. I'll

29:47

put a valuation on mar Lago for

29:49

instance.

29:49

But what I'm saying is if a billionaire comes along and says,

29:51

I'll write check, I'll write Trump a check

29:54

for the four hundred and fifty four million

29:56

dollars. That's actually more, by the way, you have to

29:58

put up twice the twice

30:00

the value in a bond. But let's just say that they gave Trump

30:02

the liquid assets. That's if you went for a surety

30:04

bond. And again I'm not pretending like I've

30:07

you know, this is like a specific area of

30:09

a law, and this is what I've learned from reading about

30:11

it, but also talking to people on the on the real

30:13

estate side of the house. Clay

30:16

if if he loses that money, that money is gone

30:18

right correct. So now, so now you're

30:21

the billionaire. You gave Trump five hundred million dollars

30:23

or close to it. So you're

30:25

just not getting five hundred million dollars.

30:27

No, No, I'm saying you would have to collateralize

30:29

that in some way as a loan. Now what

30:31

the valuation is of more lago or

30:33

something else. Like, I'm not just giving

30:35

somebody four hundred and fifty million dollars

30:37

without a collateralized uh, you

30:39

know, asset attached to it.

30:41

Yeah, I mean, good luck, good luck trying to enforce

30:44

that one.

30:45

I mean, I don't know.

30:45

I think that's that The problem here is what's

30:48

the incentive structure for somebody else to step in

30:50

and do it. I mean it would have to be somebody who say, who

30:52

has so much money, who says, I this

30:54

is good at the country. Yeah, the good of the country.

30:56

And what I'm saying is it's not a good investment, right,

30:58

I mean you're.

30:59

Yeh, we agree there. You would not do

31:01

it because you're like, oh my god, this is a must

31:03

have. Like you're doing it because you think Crump's getting

31:05

screwed and you want to provide support

31:08

to them.

31:08

Usually a bond, you know, even if a bank did

31:10

this, or a surety bond, there's they take

31:12

a percentage. It's like a fee structure involved.

31:14

I mean, this is a business transaction

31:17

of some sort. And that's what you're talking about. The collateralized

31:19

sense for a white Night to come along

31:21

and write the check, you know, you

31:23

may not see that money ever again, or at least for five

31:26

years or ten years or whatever it may be, and who

31:28

knows at that point.

31:29

Right?

31:29

So yeah, and also, by the way, how many people

31:31

want to put themselves then in

31:34

the firing line? This is what the

31:36

to your point, to burn a village. They want

31:38

to come after you if you do it. They're gonna look at

31:40

your finances and be like, why are you doing

31:43

this? What's your relationship with Trump? What's

31:45

your relationship with New York?

31:46

Usually, and this is true whether you're dealing

31:48

with you know, the Irs

31:51

or you're dealing with civil

31:53

court judgment. Usually the government

31:56

wants to figure out a way. They want

31:58

to get their check. You know, once

32:00

you've been found to be in breach of something

32:03

right, they want to get their check. They

32:05

want an agreement, they want to move on, they want to do something

32:07

else. Usually, in this case,

32:10

because it's Trump, the incentives

32:13

are all haywire. The

32:15

incentives are all amiss because

32:17

for Laticia James, the slower

32:20

and more destructive this process

32:22

is the better for her. You

32:25

know, the more they grind this out, the

32:27

more they you know.

32:28

Every he's running for governor, baby, like,

32:30

this is all a play politically for

32:32

her.

32:32

She wins in this state.

32:34

And everyone keeps coming out. I see this

32:36

a lot on on X on Twitter.

32:38

We just call it Twitter again. I don't want to keep saying.

32:40

X it's Twitter for purposes of this show.

32:42

Yeah, it's Twitter, fine, thank you. So,

32:45

So everyone keeps coming out and they're saying, oh, well,

32:47

he'll appeal, he'll appeal. This

32:49

is like saying you're stuck

32:51

in the Soviet Union. You're going

32:54

to appeal. New York is now the Soviet

32:56

Union. As far as Trump is concerned, there is nowhere

32:58

else to go. There's nothing else unless

33:00

he can get the Supreme Court to come

33:02

in, and there would have to be some issue

33:05

of constitutionality. New York is a

33:07

poorly run state with lunatic communists

33:10

on the judiciary, and the problem that

33:12

is not a constitutional issue. I hate to break

33:15

it every like, not really not not that the Supreme Court's

33:17

going to step in on.

33:18

But this is why I said, if

33:20

you have the ability to get your assets out

33:23

of blue states, if you have

33:25

any kind of conservative principle at all,

33:27

I'd be nervous. I bet you would too if

33:29

you still lived in New York City, that they're

33:31

going to find something because they don't like

33:33

your politics. If Trump lived

33:36

in Florida legitimately

33:39

for the last thirty years and based his corporations

33:42

there, they wouldn't be able to do this.

33:44

This is because he's a Republican who happens

33:46

to live in New York. And I would say, if you

33:48

have the opportunity to get out of there while you can.

33:51

This is why you know, Judge Cannon,

33:53

I believe down in Florida, she's

33:56

calling them to task a little bit on Oh

33:59

this stuff is I want to talk about this little bit of Clay,

34:01

this stuff is so super secret. She's

34:03

saying, Okay, if it's so super

34:05

secret that you need to lock this

34:08

guy up in prison for the rest of his life, a

34:10

jury has to say, we're not going to take your word

34:12

for it. Yeah, this is about the Special Council,

34:14

right. That's see, this is

34:16

so interesting. That's the Florida process.

34:19

That's what happens when you're outside of

34:21

a Democrat fiefdom in Florida.

34:24

I'm not saying it's going perfectly for him,

34:26

but notice they had to get an outside

34:28

prosecutor to bring it in that jurisdiction.

34:31

But by bringing in that jurisdiction, you at least

34:33

get a judge who exists outside the

34:35

New York political or DC political

34:37

ecosystem. And sure enough, they're

34:40

running into all these challenges already.

34:42

They don't have some judge who's rubber stamping

34:44

everything right in New York on the civil

34:46

side. I mean, Clay, it's

34:49

just a tyranny factory. They're just

34:51

all these judges are going to keep agreeing with each

34:53

other and keep going keep I don't

34:55

know how Trump gets

34:57

out of this, but that again, he's Trump, and somehow he's

34:59

managed to get out of everything else, and somehow

35:01

he's ahead in the polls in every swing state.

35:03

And I mean, it's a crazy world we're living

35:06

in right now.

35:06

Everyone.

35:06

Let's just be honest about it, and we're We're

35:08

here with you every step of the way. We'll get into some of this. Take

35:11

some of your calls. If you have any experience, what

35:13

are some of this? Do you have any experience in civil

35:15

asset forfeiture on the legal side

35:17

either as.

35:18

I mean, by the way, massive

35:20

civil aff set because we're not talking about somebody

35:22

who is, you know, unable to handle

35:25

one hundred thousand dollars debt. That's the kind

35:27

of thing that most of the time this will be involved in.

35:29

We're talking about hundreds of millions of

35:31

dollars. It's very rare that cases of

35:33

this magnitude would even exist.

35:37

You're listening to twenty four the

35:40

most Important Tier in politics

35:42

with Clay Travis and Box Sexton.

35:46

We're joined now by Mark Robinson.

35:48

He is a Lieutenant Governor of North Carolina

35:50

and he's a candidate for the

35:53

governorship of the great state of North Carolina.

35:56

Mark, appreciate you joining.

35:57

Us, sir, Hey, great

35:59

to be here. Thanks for having me.

36:01

Could we get you away in first, and obviously

36:03

North Carolina is an incredibly important

36:05

state in this upcoming

36:07

election and range of

36:10

ways Democrats still think that

36:12

they can get some make some inroads

36:14

there, I think, but we're hoping you're going

36:16

to be part of a North Carolina red

36:18

wave. Before we get to that, though, when you

36:20

see what's going on at the southern border and

36:22

the Biden administration response

36:25

to efforts by Texas to try

36:27

to help, what do you make of that?

36:31

Well, everything that Joe Biden's administration

36:33

has done is been counterintuitive to keeping

36:35

the bord forest off secure in the border

36:38

and secondly keeping the American

36:40

popular safe. He's done

36:42

an abysmal job since he's been in office,

36:45

and unfortunately this is a wretched

36:47

crown jewel and that is

36:49

bad administration. He's just everything

36:52

that he's done has been counterintuitive to it

36:54

and he needs to reverse course quickly

36:56

for the safety and security of the American people.

36:59

Mark, when we saw thirst of all, thanks for coming

37:01

on, good luck in the campaign. We'll probably have you on

37:03

again, certainly before election day.

37:06

But when we saw how you were getting attacked,

37:09

we said, man, this guy's over the target.

37:11

We got to get him walked on.

37:13

Yeah, we need to let him talk to our

37:15

audience, but I wanted to hear from you. Why

37:18

do you think you have become the

37:20

main target that you have getting

37:23

ripped to shreds by the left,

37:26

And what kind of response are you seeing from

37:28

North Carolinians to those attacks.

37:31

The overwhelming majority of our response

37:33

has been positive. People are reaching out to us

37:36

every day, and not

37:37

just not just Republicans, Democrats

37:39

as well, who are tired of the status

37:41

quo. They're tired of the children being in failing public

37:44

schools. They're tired of these social issues

37:46

being forced on them in their homes

37:48

and in their schools and in their churches. They're tired

37:51

of folks who want to try to destroy

37:53

our economy and try to let our border

37:56

be wide open and let law and order be

37:58

destroyed. They're tired of it, and they're ready

38:00

for a change, and they're ready for somebody who's going to stand

38:02

up say the things that needs to be said, be unafraid

38:05

to make the changes that need to be made, and

38:07

move North Carolina in the right direction.

38:09

If you're the governor of North Carolina, Mark

38:12

and God willing, that's where this is heading.

38:15

What are the biggest changes, the biggest

38:17

policy decisions that you plan on making

38:19

for your home state.

38:21

Oh, the biggest things we're going to focus

38:23

on is ours, our economy, and our education

38:25

system. North Carolina has been on a great

38:28

run since twenty ten. We had a Republican

38:30

takeover in twenty ten. Before that, we've been

38:32

Democrat controlled for decades,

38:35

but we've had Republicans

38:37

took over in twenty ten. When they took

38:40

over, we were about three point four billion dollars

38:42

in debt to the federal government. We were furloughing state

38:44

workers. I mean, we were in the shambles with our economy.

38:47

Those Republicans got to work and fixed our economy.

38:49

And now we're not only not in debt, but

38:51

we have a five billion dollar surplus and we're

38:53

the number one business destination two years running

38:56

in the country. And so we're

38:59

poised to really start growing

39:01

our economy. And that's going to be our focus

39:03

as governor, to grow our economy. As

39:05

I say, from Murphy to Manio, Murphy

39:07

being the furthest western point, Maneo

39:10

being the first furthest eastern point in

39:12

the state. We want an economy that spans

39:14

all the way across North Carolina and works

39:16

for everybody, and that's going to be our goal education.

39:19

What we want to bring back. We want to drive agendas

39:21

out of classroom and we want to bring excellence

39:24

back into the classroom. Everybody. We

39:26

all hear this thing about DEI. Our

39:29

version of DEI is going to be not diversity,

39:31

equity, inclusion, but discipline,

39:34

excellence, and intelligence.

39:37

That's going to be our version of DEI because

39:39

that's what we want in education. We

39:42

don't want simply want a

39:44

sound basic education here in North Carolina.

39:47

We want our K through twelve students to get

39:49

a world class education because

39:51

that's what they're going to need to compete on the

39:53

world stage. And that's what we want to do here in North

39:55

Carolina.

39:56

Mark, I don't know if you've seen this, and we're talking to Mark Robinson,

39:58

who's the Republican can it for governor

40:01

in North Carolina. The

40:04

data is out that people under

40:06

the age of thirty are overwhelmingly

40:09

unhappy in America. I'm sure

40:12

you see this all over North Carolina talking

40:14

to young people. Why do you think

40:16

that is? And you mentioned education,

40:18

But how do we fix it?

40:22

I think we fix it by getting back to the things

40:24

that we're all concerned about and joining

40:26

together to fix those things. Quite

40:28

frankly, in politics, we allow

40:30

about three or four different issues to divide

40:33

us on everything. Look, I can't

40:35

think of a single solitary person that does want

40:37

great education system, or great

40:39

economy, or to be safe in their neighborhoods.

40:42

Not a single solitary person cannot think

40:44

of who is of good character that wants

40:46

that. The problem is we allow so many

40:48

things to divide us. It's time for us

40:50

to start putting aside the things that we

40:53

disagree on long enough to

40:55

work on the things that we do agree on. And

40:57

I think when we start doing that, and I think when our

40:59

so called leaders, our public elected

41:02

officials start doing that in

41:04

earnest, I think that we'll see some

41:06

happiness and some cooperations start

41:08

to come back in this country.

41:10

Mark Robinson, everybody, Lieutenant governor of North

41:12

Carolina. He is running for governor

41:15

in North Carolina. His website

41:17

in that endeavor is Mark Robinson

41:20

for NC dot Com. Clay's got one more

41:22

for you, Mark, Go.

41:22

Ahead, Okay, I got the toughest question

41:25

for you, and I don't want you to

41:27

dodge it.

41:28

Duke U n C NC.

41:30

State are all big

41:33

schools in the NCAA tournament.

41:35

Sure who is going farthest? Who

41:38

is your team? North Carolina is known

41:40

for basketball?

41:41

Well, North Carolina is known for basketball.

41:43

We love Tarhill fans, we love Duke fans,

41:46

we love all our fans here in North Carolina, from

41:48

Apple Ache all the way across. But

41:51

my team is in C State and I'm really

41:53

rooting for the Wolf Fact to go deep, if not win

41:55

at all. But did a great job in ACC tournament

41:58

winning five straight, and they did it was absolutely

42:00

outstanding. I love to see them go deep

42:02

and I love to see them.

42:03

Win it all.

42:04

What did you think of that three that y'all hit?

42:06

I think to beat or put it into overtime

42:08

against Virginia. How high did you leave? What's

42:10

the vertical look like? I know you're not a young

42:12

man anymore, but can you still get up?

42:15

Well? You know, I have to admit I was actually

42:18

I was actually engaged at

42:20

the time and was not able to

42:22

see the game. But when I

42:24

saw it at ball Batch agent Jim Valvano,

42:26

it really did. And like I said, I'm sure all we back

42:28

fans probably felt like that.

42:30

I know I said last question, but Buck and I have

42:32

been talking a lot about the twenty twenty

42:34

four election, the outreach for

42:37

black mail voters, in particular, you're

42:39

obviously a black guy running for governor

42:42

of North Carolina. Do you see

42:44

and hear a lot of black mail

42:46

voters that are way more open

42:49

to Republican arguments than they may

42:51

have been in the past. And if so, if you buy

42:53

into that, why do you think it is?

42:56

Oh, well, again, it's because people

42:58

are tired of the status quote. You know, the Democrat

43:00

Party has just simply taken its mask off.

43:03

When you have a president who's willing to allow

43:05

the border to stay open and allow allow

43:08

us to be in peril that way, when you see a president

43:10

who's not interested in maintaining

43:13

law and order in our city and is not interested

43:16

in allowing America to drill for its own all

43:18

and have gas prices as high as they are and

43:20

drive inflation through the roof. Everybody

43:23

is tired of the status quo right

43:25

now, and they see that we were much better off under

43:27

a President Trump and Republicans than we are in

43:30

the President Biden. They see that here

43:32

in North Carolina, they see it everywhere, and people

43:34

of all stripes are seeing it. And I believe

43:36

that black folks are going to be the

43:38

same way. They're tired of the status quo and

43:41

they want something different and they want something better.

43:43

And I think they're going to choose.

43:44

Me the next governor of North Carolina.

43:46

Everybody, Mark Robinson, Mark, when you win, you

43:48

got to come on and celebrate with us.

43:49

Okay, you got it, sir, Thank

43:52

you so much, Thank you