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Welcome to today's edition of the

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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast.

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Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay

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Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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of you hanging out with us as we

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roll through today's program. Got

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a couple of great guests coming down the line. Tutor

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Dixon, an awful story out of Michigan, another

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legal immigrant taking a life that

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is getting a great deal of attention and

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none of these should be happening. We will talk about

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that with her, as well as Michigan as

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a battleground state. She's part of the Clay and Buck podcast

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network. Andy McCarthy on the

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absolute latest wranglings

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related to the Trump legal

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process. All of that coming

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your way during the course of the show.

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But there are three big stories

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I would say in conjunction

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that we will be talking about. The

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Francis Scott Key Bridge, I'm sure

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many of you have seen by now

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collapsed after being hit by a

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large tanker. The

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bridge saw this last night happen.

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Buck.

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When I saw the video, I thought

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it had to be AI with

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all of the talk about AI, because I had

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just never seen a bridge, certainly not

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in America, collapse like

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this one did.

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When it was struck by the boat.

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They are still looking for survivors

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potentially, but it sounds like there

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will be six to eight

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casualties, which given the collapse

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of the bridge, is really remarkable.

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They were able to may day ahead potentially

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and keep the number of cars limited on

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that bridge. But just

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a crazy story to follow.

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We'll talk about that. Truth Social

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has made its debut and

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Donald Trump on paper is now has

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now has over five billion

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dollars in truth Social

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stock. Let me see what the absolute latest

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on this is. Buck out

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there.

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I had coffee with a friend this morning who knows

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the financial world, and we both came to this inclusion.

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It's remarkable the Democrats

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seem to be in process

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of making

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Trump president again and making

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him a billionaire again so he

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can make America great again. I mean that

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the legal stuff is backfiring, the

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financial stuff is backfiring. I

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know it's early. I know we don't know where this all

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ends up. But Clay, if someone

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had told me that Trump was going to be worth five

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billion liquid in addition to all the real

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this is totally separate from all the real estate hold

2:32

things and all the brand value, I would have said

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not in a million years. I mean, it's just so hard to do

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that, and here we are.

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That is also where I

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hope that the legacy of the

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lawfair is going to be, that it

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blows up so much in Democrats' faces

2:48

that even though legally someone

2:50

might be willing to try it again, that they set

2:52

around and say, well, remember what happened

2:55

with Trump. Let's be careful here. Let's try to beat

2:57

him in the ballot box and not try to put him in prison for the rest

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of his life and bankrupt him. I also

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would say this, there are a lot

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of you out there listening that

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are very frustrated with what you've

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seen occurring in our culture, whether

3:10

it's bud Light, whether it's Planet Fitness,

3:12

whether it's Disney, the culture

3:14

of wokeness that has infected

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so much of this country right now.

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I think Elon Musk calls it accurately

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buck the woke mind virus that has

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taken over and led so many of us

3:27

fellow citizens astray. There

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is opportunity in chaos,

3:32

and there is opportunity in awful

3:34

decision making. And Trump

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is becoming this is the greatest

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wealth creation day in

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his entire life, and he's had a lot of them

3:45

over the years, and it's all because

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they banned him from Twitter, from

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Instagram, from Facebook, from

3:52

all of those companies. If they just hadn't banned

3:55

him, I think the odds of him starting

3:57

his own social media company would have been

3:59

low. He saw the opportunity,

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he's taken advantage of it. We don't know where it's

4:03

going to go from here, and we'll have some conversations

4:05

about this, but the fact

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that he was able to create this situation at all

4:10

is a testament to see an opportunity

4:12

and seizing it.

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I think it would be hard to come up with

4:16

a way to unite

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conservatives more aggressively

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together than to do exactly

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what they have been doing for so many

4:30

people that I know. You know,

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for example, even if I remember

4:34

Tucker said this that when they rated

4:36

mar A Lago, as much as

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he was frustrated about some aspects

4:40

of you know, twenty twenty and Jay six and

4:42

everything else with regard to Trump, and

4:45

Tucker said that that it was just over

4:47

for him. It's all about not

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let it. You can't let this stand. Like you

4:52

don't have a republic anymore, you don't have

4:54

a system of elected government

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and rule of law instead of rule of men,

4:59

if you can and just have on some preposterous

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pretext, as we said all along, like you

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know, if they found five bodies in the yard

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at mar A Lago, Okay, we

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get it right, Like you know, there are there are reasons

5:12

to investigate. They sent an FBI

5:14

team into the guy's house over documents,

5:16

and I know all the arguments to his president, but just

5:19

put that aside for a second. It obviously

5:21

didn't need to happen. It was show trial

5:23

stuff. It was Soviet stuff. And so for a lot

5:25

of people any misgivings that they've had

5:28

about you know, is Trump the right guy

5:30

again? Maybe he was the right guy in twenty sixteen

5:33

and twenty twenty. Is he still the right guy given

5:35

what the Democrats have done to him? I think people are

5:37

shouting more than ever, more loudly than ever,

5:39

on the right he's the only guy. I

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also think it's evidence of many

5:45

of the narratives that Democrats have totally

5:47

collapsing around them. I read yesterday

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on Friday they sent

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out the Biden Harris Camp did a

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email calling Donald Trump broke

5:57

don with the idea being,

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oh, he we've bankrupted him. He doesn't have any

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money, and now he

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has tangible wealth which

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no one can deny, which

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for a real estate guy has

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always been the question about Trump in the past,

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because what stake do you have in

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that building? What's the value of that building

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at its present present price,

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what is the interest rates going to be?

6:22

What is the actual yield on

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some of these properties? We never really knew. Now

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all we have to do to figure out what Trump's

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truth Social value is

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is just multiplied the price of the

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stock times the number of shares

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that he has and he's made at

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the price that it presently is roughly

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five billion.

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Dollars in truth Social

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today.

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And I think you and I, if

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we had been forecasting truth

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Social, I would have never

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expected Trump to make even one billion

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dollars off truth Social if we had been talking

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about this a couple of years ago.

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When the company idea came out, I

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also am very encouraged

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because I was for for years,

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uh Clay, even before you and

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I you and I teamed up for this

7:12

show. One of the things that I'll be

7:14

honest, I would just get so frustrated about

7:17

was the recognition that the left

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had established control not

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just of platforms but really of commerce

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that in the digital you know, internet

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first era we lived in, they

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had seized all the choke points.

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They had seized the choke points for everything from

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social media to who's delivering

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you know, toilet paper and boxes to your house,

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to the web servers that are

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the things you have to you know, run the electron

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through to even be on the internet, all

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of it, they had taken all of it. The parallel

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economy that we are seeing emerging, and I

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will say, uh, that includes

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some of our our stalwarts sponsors on

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this show who have been with us for years and with

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other conservative shows for years too.

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It is growing by leaps and bounds

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because it is right and it is necessary.

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And I'm you know so that's why when I see the truth

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social thing and I see you know, different brands

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out there, and you know, we're

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we're thinking Clay all the time about how we could

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contribute to this as well. Yes, it's

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important to build brands

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that share your values. I

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always tell people, you know, I want conservative

8:23

everything in my life at least as an option. And

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if it is an option, you know what, I'm gonna take it.

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That's why I started out kick. I didn't know

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exactly where everything was going. But

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if you and that's what I would.

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Say to all of you out there, frustration,

8:39

anger, that's not a strategy,

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but it can lead to a strategy.

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And if you are an entrepreneur, if you

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are a.

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Capitalist, there are a lot of

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opportunities out there, as Buck said in

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the Parallel Economy, for you

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to find a way to not just

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make money, which is great, but to also

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make money while advocating for things

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that you believe in and throwing a

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punchback at this woke universe. Here's Stuart

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Varney, by the way, on Fox Business discussing

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Truth Social Now. To be fair, there

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is a meme stock element to this.

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For those of you who followed Game Stop,

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bed Bath and beyond. I bet a lot

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of people who are listening to us right now

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are buying stock in Truth

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Social symbol DGT DJT

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sorry because they want

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to show support for Donald Trump.

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And Stuart Varney talks about that a little bit. Cut

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five.

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I'm going to get back to DJT as in Donald

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J. Trump the stock it's now forty

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one percent, it's open for trading

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azod this morning. Are people buying this

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company this stock because

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they think it's got inherent value,

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or because they want to demonstrate support

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for Donald Trump. I think it's almost

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like a meme stock. And that's the way it'll

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play out. It's a bet on whether Trump

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wins or loses in November

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of this year.

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If he loses, I think the stock Ghost will it

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down. If he wins, it looks like

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he's going to win.

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I think the stock does well because then truth Social

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will will do well.

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I think there's some truth to that. Again, what

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is the actual market value

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here? Just to be fair, who

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is this? This is Truth Social

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is essentially worthless? Not surprising.

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Adam Pollock says if

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Trump tried to sell the company

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would go to zero.

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Here's cut eight.

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I think that the value is essentially worthless.

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This is a company that doesn't make any money.

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And sure they could change the bylaws

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and end the lock up period and go

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to market and sell US share. Someone

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will buy US share two shares. But

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if they went to market and tried to sell three

10:44

billion dollars, the value

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of the stock would go to zero practically

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immediately.

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That's what I said yesterday to be fair

10:52

that it's not like you can just unload the stock and

10:54

then everything will be fine. So

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it's not quite as clear as you

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know. It's not like Trump got to check three billion dollars

11:01

for winning the lottery. You know, this is not money

11:03

in the bank even with that, by the way, as anyone,

11:05

I don't know how many lottery winners we have, you

11:07

know that they always give you some lump sum option

11:09

payment upfront, which is a tiny fraction of

11:11

the overall because they pay you

11:14

in yearly installments for the rest of your life.

11:16

And you know, people would rather have a lot of money at once.

11:19

I think though that Clay. What we see

11:21

is people are recognizing

11:24

that, you know, conservative media

11:26

came along, thank you Rush and then

11:28

Fox News and some sites on

11:30

the internet and were

11:33

it was it was finally possible to

11:36

have a little bit of of a of a

11:38

counter narrative, right, But what we've seen

11:40

is the counter narrative is not enough if

11:42

they're going to control everything

11:45

that you can buy, and they're going to control everyone's

11:47

retirement accounts, and they're going to have all that.

11:49

So in every ad agency, which may be the

11:51

locust of all industries

11:54

in the entire country.

11:55

Yeah, and so you look at

11:57

the way that that market

11:59

dominant is cracking, and I

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just think it's such a good thing. It's

12:03

such a good thing for the country. We're the early stages

12:06

of it, to be clear. I mean, if you look at the

12:08

assets that a Blackstone has, I'm

12:10

sorry, black Rock has well. I mean Blackstone

12:12

is huge too, but that's private equity. But

12:15

black Rock has under management for example,

12:17

And you look at Vanguard and these huge companies.

12:19

I know. That's why you know Viveik has been trying to

12:22

push a conservative

12:24

values aligned financial

12:27

sector effectively. I mean, he's starting out with one company,

12:29

but he's trying to do more than that. Because

12:32

if at the end of the day, we're

12:34

hoping for the good graces

12:37

of the board of directors

12:39

of some multi national

12:42

media conglomerate to say

12:44

I'm going to allow conservative voices,

12:48

you know, there are very few places where

12:50

that's going to be able to happen. There are a lot of

12:52

places where you're gonna get what you have at Morning

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Joe, which I want to talk more about, Clay. Yes,

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they have gone full blown insane,

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and I think this all ties together, right, They've gone

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full blown insane over

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let's be honest, a not particularly

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They are acting like they

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have I mean, they're acting like they've hired Clay and Buck,

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They're acting like they've thrown you

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know, Alex Jones on there. I

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mean, they're they're going all in against

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Ronna.

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her again, three hundred thousand dollars.

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And people say, well, that's a lot of money.

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That is nothing relative

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to what It's not like they gave her thirty million

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dollars like they did Rachel Maddow. I mean, this is

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close to ten million dollars a year at least at

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for governor in Michigan in the last election cycle

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being with us.

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Hey, thanks for having me.

15:59

All right, so let's are with how

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you know Michigan. Well, it's a

16:03

border state with Canada, but it's a

16:05

border state in the broader sense. In so

16:07

far as the illegal immigrant issue

16:10

or newcomers. Have you seen this we're supposed to

16:12

say they're just newcomers. Now the

16:14

illegal immigrant issue is having

16:16

its effect even up

16:18

in your home state. Or recently,

16:21

we had an illegal immigrant who allegedly

16:24

killed a Michigan woman. In a carjacking

16:27

gone wrong. That's what the New York Post is

16:29

reported. Gone. What is the illegal

16:31

immigrant situation like in your state

16:33

and how what kind of numbers and data

16:36

do we have about the role that they

16:38

play in crimes in the state of Michigan.

16:41

You know, we don't have a lot of information because

16:43

Gretchen Witmer has done a good job of

16:45

covering up what's actually going on. But

16:47

yes, this did just happen. So another

16:50

young woman, Ruby Garcia, we just

16:52

lost her. I think she's twenty one years

16:54

old, and we don't actually

16:56

even know if it was a carjacking.

16:58

Some of the events around what happened

17:01

that day are sort of mysterious. It

17:03

was on our US Highway

17:05

one point thirty one, and she

17:08

was actually left on the highway her

17:10

after she was shot. She was left on the highway. And it's

17:12

a gruesome situation, devastating

17:15

for the family. But I think the most

17:18

I think the thing we need to talk about most is that when

17:20

the family was interviewed, they said, you have

17:22

no idea the number of lives that are affected by

17:24

the fact that she's gone. And I think that's the thing

17:27

that we have to remember in every one of these

17:29

crimes. It's not that you lost a life, it's

17:32

that you've altered hundreds

17:34

of lives. So many people are hurt

17:36

by every one of these senseless murders

17:39

that happened because people like

17:41

Joe Biden allow the border to be open.

17:44

People like Governor Whitmer entice

17:46

people to come to the state of Michigan. And I

17:48

say that because she's put out this new policy

17:51

where she is asking people

17:53

in Michigan to take illegal

17:55

immigrants into their home. And it's a new

17:58

rent system that goes through the government

18:00

in Michigan, where the government will now

18:02

pay you five hundred dollars a month up

18:05

to twelve months to take somebody

18:07

into your house. There are no rules

18:09

here. You don't even know the history of

18:11

this person. You know nothing. You don't

18:13

know the history of the person who's taking the people

18:15

in. You don't know the history of the people who

18:18

are coming there. I mean, the whole thing is like such

18:20

a disaster. Are we gonna hurt these

18:22

people that are coming in? Are they gonna hurt

18:24

people in the state of Michigan. It's

18:27

just unreasonable.

18:29

It is pretty wild.

18:31

And I want to reiterate what you just said

18:33

in the state of Michigan, Gretchen

18:36

Whitmer, My understanding is willing

18:38

to pay five hundred dollars a month

18:41

six thousand dollars a year for

18:44

people to take illegal immigrants

18:46

into their homes and house them. That's

18:49

tax payer money. What percentage

18:52

you just ran for governor in Michigan,

18:55

Tutor, what percentage of Michiganders

18:57

do you think agree with that policy?

19:00

A quarter lower?

19:01

I mean, I can't imagine that there are very many

19:03

people, to say nothing of who would

19:06

actually do it, but who would even

19:08

want their tax dollars being used

19:10

to support a program like this, which, by the way,

19:13

encourages more illegal immigration because

19:15

it gives illegal immigrants more free

19:17

stuff.

19:18

Sure well, I think there are a lot of wealthy elites

19:22

on the Democrat side in Michigan who are like, oh,

19:24

Buffy, what a lovely concept. Someone

19:26

will take these people into their home and pay for them.

19:29

So yeah, I think there are a lot of those people.

19:31

They're not very many, Sorry

19:33

to cut you off. There are not very many people I've met in

19:36

Bloomfield Hills or Birmingham, Michigan

19:39

areas that I know pretty well in Okland County because my

19:41

wife is from there. That are going to take illegal

19:43

immigrants into their

19:45

homes right like nobody, I don't

19:47

even know who would do this, period, but like even.

19:50

Leftists cousins who need the money. I

19:52

mean, honestly, there are a bunch of

19:54

these Democrats who are like, oh, someone

19:57

else can now shoulder this, and look how

19:59

lucky going to give them money to do it?

20:01

And the sad reality here is Michigan

20:04

is a state where people are in dire

20:07

straits. I drove from Muskegan,

20:09

Michigan to Hillsdale, Michigan, and the towns

20:11

you go through are just destroyed. People

20:14

with broken windows who are have

20:16

tarps over their windows. The houses are broken

20:19

down. The towns have just three

20:21

storefronts for four blocks are

20:24

the rest of them are all tarped over. People

20:26

have moved out. People are desperate

20:28

for money. She is preying on people

20:30

who absolutely would do anything

20:33

to get five hundred dollars a month because they're

20:35

in such poor shape right now.

20:37

So those are the people who will say, yes,

20:40

we will take someone in. We don't know

20:42

who this person is. There are those people,

20:44

but then how many bad people are

20:46

Like, look, I could take advantage of this, I could

20:48

get somebody in my house. I could force them

20:50

to do what I want. I could force the.

20:54

To do worse.

20:55

It's the most asinine thing I've

20:57

ever heard of. I can't imagine a state,

21:00

you know what, throw away all the rules. I mean, even

21:02

landlords have rules, even hotels.

21:04

You monitor a hotel, How would

21:06

you ever monitor how these people are

21:09

being treated inside of the personal

21:11

home of someone who is getting paid to take them

21:13

in. It is a crazy concept.

21:16

What are the we're speaking to our

21:18

friend Tutor Dixon. Subscribe to the Clay and Buck

21:20

podcast feed and you could listen to the Tutor

21:23

Dixon Show, which is fabulous, and it is there.

21:26

Tutor, are Michiganders.

21:28

Now, I know there's a lot of Democrats. I know

21:31

Detroit big center of political gravity

21:33

there, along with some other cities.

21:36

But are they starting

21:38

to turn against Whitmer when it comes to

21:40

the numbers? Are they seeing I'm still

21:43

I mean, Clay and I I'm just going to say it, we're still outraged

21:45

over the whole COVID thing that she got away with all.

21:47

We are still very bothered by

21:49

that. But just in terms of

21:51

this program, you're talking about the

21:54

way she's running the state, the way that

21:56

she's affecting the

21:58

economy and the freedoms of Michigan. Are

22:01

they getting the message in time for this election

22:03

or are you still worried.

22:06

They're not getting the message. When it comes to Gretchen

22:08

Witmer, I will say I think that she has done

22:10

a good job of making herself this

22:12

playful, fun governor that people

22:14

are like, Oh, but she's like one of the goals

22:16

that will go out and have a beer with you at the end of the

22:18

day. I mean so much so that when

22:21

poor Ruby Garcia lost her life, she's

22:24

posting about beer. I mean, that's what she's

22:26

posting about. Over the safety of the

22:28

people of Michigan. It's just constant

22:30

look at the look the other way, bright shiny

22:33

thing, let's have fun, Let's put Barbie on the Capitol

22:35

steps. And so she has kind of this

22:37

playful attitude here

22:40

and people like that. I don't think that they

22:42

think she's qualified to move on from that. I

22:44

know that's she tanked at the grid Iron dinner.

22:46

I think beyond Michigan, she's not adorable,

22:48

she's not fun. But Joe

22:50

Biden does not have that impression

22:53

here. People are very frustrated with his policies.

22:55

They're very frustrated with what has

22:57

happened with people in the state. When I talk about

23:00

being poor, they think that the economic

23:02

issues are just crushing people in the

23:04

state of Michigan. This new situation,

23:06

I think it'll be interesting to see how this new

23:08

policy she's put out there will play,

23:11

because I think it's the worst possible thing in

23:13

the midst of a border crisis. We know that's the

23:15

number one issue out there, and yet she's

23:17

playing on the other side of that issue. I think

23:20

that's incredibly dangerous for her because she

23:22

does have a pretty good approval rating. I think

23:24

this is the moment where that could tank. You'll

23:26

notice that he was just here at

23:28

a golf course a week ago, and

23:31

she didn't go again. She was out

23:33

making beer. That's her thing, so

23:36

she was making beer in Kalamazoo.

23:38

He's in Saganaw, Michigan. She doesn't even

23:41

mention that he's here. She's posting videos

23:43

of herself making beer just one of the goals

23:45

at the bar, and says nothing

23:48

about Joe Biden. She's the co chair, one

23:50

of the co chairs of his campaign. She doesn't

23:52

even say hello to him when he's in her own

23:54

state.

23:56

Tudor what do you think about

23:58

the Arab and is Israeli

24:00

voter issue in Michigan,

24:03

because it seems clear that the Biden

24:05

White House is just terrified of

24:07

figuring out how to manage this because they're

24:10

losing a lot of supportive Arab voters. There's

24:12

this huge population in Dearborn area, as

24:14

you know, that tends to vote Democrat,

24:16

and then the Jewish vote has tended to go

24:19

Democrat in Michigan

24:21

as well. Are you in the

24:23

of the opinion that Biden is in trouble

24:25

given how close Michigan is with trying

24:28

to figure out how to handle that

24:31

duo, given that they're basically completely

24:33

contradictory yet two staples of his coalition.

24:37

Yeah.

24:37

Absolutely, it's a big deal. They know it's

24:39

a big deal here in the state of Michigan. It goes

24:41

beyond just those communities though, because

24:44

they have infiltrated the college campuses

24:46

with this radical notion that Israel's so bad,

24:49

and so a lot of that uncommitted vote

24:51

you'll notice, came from Michigan State. It

24:53

came from the University of Michigan. Those are two big

24:55

voting blocks for them, So they could

24:57

say, Okay, we're going to be okay with

25:00

without Dearborn, without ham Tramick, We'll

25:02

move on from those communities. We'll try to

25:04

get our standard Democrats

25:06

out. But now the young people are turning against them because

25:09

they're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, you told us this was bad.

25:11

We want these people are

25:14

being oppressed. You know, Oppressors

25:16

are bad, occupiers are bad. Okay, so now

25:18

we're against you. Joe Biden, it's a mess

25:20

for him. You've got Chuck Schumer coming out and saying

25:22

he wants to get rid of net and Yahoo. They

25:24

need to have a new election. And

25:27

you see Democrats are going, wait a minute,

25:29

you don't actually get involved in someone

25:31

else's election. Even Democrats

25:34

are saying, whoa, this is crazy.

25:36

It's desperation because

25:38

they see that they are potentially

25:41

going to lose Michigan, and Michigan

25:43

oftentimes dictates how the presidential

25:46

election will go. They were shocked when they

25:48

lost to Michigan in twenty sixteen. They vowed

25:50

to never do it again. They took the Colorado

25:52

playbook and they brought it to Michigan. They've

25:54

been filtrated Michigan with all these outside

25:56

groups. They've done this in several

25:59

of the the legislative districts.

26:01

They flipped them blue. They think that's

26:03

permanent. It's very fresh. It just happened

26:05

in twenty two. They could potentially lose

26:08

Michigan and then their whole playbook kind

26:10

of gets thrown out the window, and they don't exactly

26:12

know how to handle it because they've turned

26:14

the people so against any type

26:16

of rule that they've now turned

26:19

against Biden himself, which I think

26:21

is kind of beautiful, but it's also hard

26:23

to come back from because we have to

26:25

talk to people what about what America really

26:27

is and why you should be happy to live here.

26:30

Tudor they ran against you twenty twenty

26:32

two.

26:32

Abortion is that issue

26:34

now basically resolved in Michigan,

26:37

such that Biden's going to try to use

26:39

it as a touchtne alongside of democracy

26:41

as two of his big selling points.

26:43

He's going to say Trump is evil, we all know that.

26:45

But is abortion, in your mind kind of

26:48

a decided issue now in Michigan.

26:50

That's not going to motivate a lot of voters like maybe

26:52

it did in twenty two.

26:54

It is fully a decided issue because

26:56

it's in the constitution now, but no,

26:59

they will con you to use it just yesterday,

27:01

the Michigan Dems posted on x

27:04

oh, they went after abortion. The next

27:06

thing they're going after is IVF. They're going

27:08

after birth controlled. This is the

27:10

Republican playbook.

27:11

Now.

27:11

Republicans then, of course retweeted

27:13

that and they were like, that's ridiculous.

27:16

Okay, that's not enough. Because they're

27:19

very skilled with the propaganda. They

27:21

also go directly to these college campuses,

27:24

to young women, to suburban moms, and

27:26

they're like, they're going to take birth control. I mean, as

27:29

the minute people believe that Republicans

27:31

want to take birth control away from them, just

27:34

that's it. It's over. They've figured out

27:36

that this is a fantastic message for them.

27:38

They can run on that and it will overshadow

27:41

crime, it will overshadow economy,

27:43

it will overshadow the border because

27:45

at the end of the day, it's very personal and it's

27:47

fifty percent of your population. And then

27:49

you've got the men who are going to come alongside

27:52

those women and say, wait, wait a minute, you're not going to You're

27:54

not going to affect my wife or my girlfriend

27:57

or my daughter's ability

27:59

to get birth control, or to have

28:01

IBF, or to create a family,

28:04

or decide not to create a family, and so that

28:06

message is incredibly powerful. We

28:09

allowed them to go after us

28:11

in twenty two, and I say that because you

28:13

talked when we got on about her COVID

28:15

policies. We were not strategic

28:18

enough about getting out who she really

28:20

is. We did not have the ability

28:22

to go out over YouTube

28:25

and all these different apps and advertise

28:28

directly to the people like she did, or

28:30

at least we weren't smart enough at that time

28:32

to do that. We cannot allow that to

28:34

happen again. We've got to show them who

28:36

the Democrats are, and we've got to

28:38

tell them what they're saying about us is

28:40

not true. We're not doing that.

28:43

Tutor Dixon, everybody, Tutor, appreciate you being with

28:45

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28:47

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Welcome back in Clay Travis buck

30:30

Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out

30:32

with us. Okay, we

30:34

talked about this sum yesterday, but this

30:37

has gone to just next

30:39

the levels of utter insanity,

30:43

and I think we

30:45

need to kind of contextualize how bonkers

30:48

the culture of many of these news

30:50

organizations has become. Buck

30:55

They pay Rachel Maddow thirty million

30:57

dollars a year now MSNBC

30:59

does to do one show

31:02

a week.

31:03

She's on every Monday.

31:05

She opened her show yesterday

31:09

with a twenty seven minute rant

31:12

about how unacceptable it was

31:14

that Ronal McDaniel was pay being

31:16

hired by NBC.

31:20

And I want to give you a couple of these, a

31:22

couple of these cuts. But here is Matt Owl saying

31:25

Ronal McDaniel on the payroll is

31:27

inexplicable.

31:28

Listen, ronal McDaniel will not appear

31:31

on MSNBC. So it says our boss

31:33

since Saturday, and it has never been anything

31:35

other than clearer.

31:37

And I will also say, you.

31:38

Know, if you care what I think about this, I will tell

31:40

you. The fact that miss McDaniel is

31:42

on the payroll at NBC News, to

31:45

me, that is inexplicable.

31:46

I mean, you wouldn't.

31:47

You wouldn't.

31:49

You wouldn't hire like a

31:51

wise guy.

31:51

You wouldn't hire.

31:52

A made man like a mobster to

31:55

work at a DA's office, right, You

31:58

wouldn't hire a pickpocket as a TSA

32:00

screener. And so I

32:03

find the decision to put her on the payroll

32:06

inexplicable, and I hope they will reverse

32:08

their decision.

32:10

This is an awful analogy, first of all,

32:12

because one of the primary ways

32:14

that people who work in communications

32:16

for the Republican Party and the Democrat Party

32:19

when they leave politics is they

32:21

go straight to media, just like Jensaki

32:24

just did. But even her analogy there, you wouldn't

32:26

hire someone as a lawyer who das

32:29

go and become defense attorneys all

32:31

the time. That is one of the primary

32:33

ways that defense attorneys make

32:36

their become skilled

32:38

enough is they learn what the prosecutor

32:40

does, and then they're able to defend better

32:42

because they know the other side's playbook. So

32:45

this clutching of pearls

32:48

that is going on over roon McDaniel is important

32:50

because really, what they're saying is they're

32:53

fine with Republicans so long

32:55

as they all hate Trump.

32:57

Which is what the arguments are. Well,

32:59

this is what they've been doing doing really for years. And

33:01

you know, CNN had a house

33:03

cleaning even back in twenty seventeen

33:06

where they got rid of all the pro

33:08

Trump Republicans that they had on the air before,

33:11

because they were horrified at in their minds,

33:14

their role in helping to elevate Trump to the

33:16

presidency by carrying his rallies. And

33:18

as I've said many times, they thought

33:20

it was all just like a carnival, like a side

33:23

show where they get great ratings

33:25

and the American people get a laugh, as Hillary

33:27

is, you know, measuring the drapes in the White House

33:29

for a second time. And

33:32

what happened is obviously we know what happened twenty sixteen,

33:34

Trump wins. The part of this, though we haven't

33:36

gotten into yet, is there's reporting. And

33:38

this is what's really amazing to me that

33:41

NBC News is thinking about withdrawing

33:43

or you know, canceling or contract already that

33:46

this kind of pressure publicly from

33:48

hysterical lunatic news

33:51

anchors in their employ might

33:53

result in them bailing on Ron mcdenna, which is

33:55

just why I say you cannot

33:57

be This is not overstatement.

34:00

You cannot be a Republican

34:03

and take yourself seriously and

34:06

go work on air at

34:08

NBC or CBS

34:11

or CNN, MSNBC. You can't

34:14

because they won't have you. If they're

34:16

willing to have you, it's because you're a punching

34:18

bag, or as they used to call it. You ever heard

34:20

the phrase clay pigeon about this? That's what they used to say.

34:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. It's a little bit

34:24

like a jobber in wrestling, right, isn't

34:27

that the guy that gets thrown around? Right? Yeah, you're

34:29

a clay pigeon. You're meant to get blown to smithereens

34:31

on TV and or

34:35

your job is to be a fake Republican

34:37

who says I'm a Republican and let me say,

34:39

I'm just here to bash Donald Trump. Well,

34:42

you know, the whole Republican party is

34:44

unifying behind Donald Trump right now. So if you're

34:46

a Republican and all you're going to do is bash

34:48

Trump and say you're going to vote for Democrats, I

34:51

think there's some confusion about what party you belong

34:53

to. I also think there's a.

34:54

Couple of other things that are at play here. One,

34:57

the media power is collapsing.

35:01

Can you think of anyone in

35:04

traditional media at NBC,

35:07

CBS or ABC

35:10

that is really trusted by the American

35:12

public. I can't

35:14

think of anyone. And you

35:16

and I are old enough to remember the days

35:19

when a Dan Rather or a Tom

35:21

Brokaw or Peter Jennings what

35:24

they said actually did carry

35:26

a lot of weight, and they

35:28

were at least pretending that they were playing.

35:31

It down the middle. Now was that true? Okay?

35:33

I think you can make arguments against it, And

35:35

certainly this comes out of the Walter Cronkite

35:38

era, but there was sort of this

35:40

gatekeeper aspect to the media

35:42

where there was trustworthiness here. Think

35:45

about NBC doesn't have a single person

35:47

on its airwaves that I'm aware of fuck

35:50

that would say, yeah, I'm voting for Trump. I think he's

35:52

the better choice than Biden.

35:53

Yeah. How can you be representative or speak to

35:55

America in a way that you're supposed

35:58

to connect when you don't have a single in

36:00

the inn the broader news network

36:02

ecosystem that you're operating, who understands

36:05

what what half the country thinks, what was

36:07

your first Have we talked about this, What was your first ever

36:09

internship?

36:11

My first ever internship was on

36:13

Capitol Hill, kay with

36:15

h with the Nashville congressman

36:17

at the time when I was at GW. I

36:19

went and uh and interned in that Nashville

36:21

Congressman's all.

36:22

Because because my my first internship at CBS,

36:24

right, CBS, Okay, I have the CBS even

36:27

News with Dan Rather Okay, Yeah, And

36:29

and people would say, oh, Buck, I thought you were a conservative high

36:31

school Yeah I was. What I didn't know. I didn't know that

36:33

this was the gold standard like CBS Even

36:35

News with Dan Rather, this is non political. I

36:37

was like a seventeen year old kid. I didn't know anything.

36:40

Uh, maybe I just turned eighteen and I'm

36:42

I'm working there. And I

36:45

just remembered, even at that young age,

36:47

being just shocked at sitting

36:49

in the meetings how like

36:52

rapidly partisan because they would now I

36:54

was a little intern. I was literally fetching

36:56

tapes and coffee. Yeah, it was going

36:58

to be very I don't know, I was doing the

37:01

most low level stuff, but they

37:03

let me sit in. And I'm not an imbecile, you

37:05

know. I was a pretty savvy kid, and

37:07

I would hear them, I'm like, wow, they just all

37:09

like hate hate Republicans.

37:12

This is how it was very obvious, very clear,

37:15

and beyond that, I was amazed. Also, Dan rather

37:17

not smart, like not

37:19

a wise, knowledgeable, well

37:22

read guy at all, spent

37:24

a lot of time in the makeup chair and

37:27

a lot of time staring at himself as he read

37:29

lines written by other people. And I was like, this guy's basically

37:31

an actor. Yeah, And that was a really

37:34

formative realization at a very young

37:36

age. I was like, oh, so this is all a fraud.

37:38

Basically, this whole thing is a fraud.

37:40

And I do think it's important to

37:43

remember that these are public airwaves.

37:47

And I haven't heard anybody talk about this, but

37:50

CBS, NBC, ABC,

37:54

you have an obligation to

37:57

try and represent the nation on

38:00

your airwaves because these are

38:02

publicly owned airwaves. And it's

38:04

different than on MSNBC or

38:06

Fox News or CNN, which

38:09

are cable premium channels

38:11

that we all pay for. You can

38:13

still get ABC, CBS and NBC

38:16

if you go put you

38:18

know, you go put your antenna up. You

38:21

can still pull these things out out of the

38:23

sky. And so I haven't

38:25

heard have you heard anybody talk about this.

38:27

This is actually, I think a really

38:30

interesting angle to attack this.

38:33

NBC arguably is actually

38:35

obligated to hire someone

38:37

like Roni McDaniel because while

38:40

MSNBC might only want

38:42

to cover left wing and propaganda

38:45

for Democrats, as a cable channel,

38:48

NBC News has to, ostensibly,

38:50

under the equal time doctrine not

38:53

be producing a propaganda

38:56

news broadcast, and so having

38:58

someone like Roni McDaniel is

39:00

not only arguably good

39:03

for business to have as

39:05

many people that you're speaking to as possible,

39:08

arguably it's required. And I

39:10

haven't heard anybody make an argument about

39:12

that. As everybody is losing their minds

39:14

on MSNBC.

39:16

You can't.

39:17

And in fact, I think we should play this because

39:20

this is the real world that we're in

39:22

right now.

39:24

I'm why don't why don't we tease with this? That's

39:26

a good idea.

39:27

We'll play what exactly they want to

39:29

do and what

39:31

they're actually trying to do and why I believe

39:34

that is so incredibly significant

39:36

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Cash and

41:00

Big.

41:05

Well, first of all, it's not your business, I mean, Franklin,

41:08

but I m I

41:10

might do that.

41:10

I have the option trum

41:14

saying that maybe he's going to take some of the

41:16

money that he's got since the bail has been or

41:18

the bond rather sorry has been reduced

41:20

from from the huge sum. And now

41:23

we've got truth social on the horizon. The

41:25

IPO is real, the

41:27

h the stock is trading. What

41:30

happens in the legal side of things for the Trumpster.

41:32

Let's talk to our friend Andy McCarthy of

41:35

National Review and Fox News.

41:37

Andy, great to have you just

41:39

kind of give us your state of play, if you would, on

41:42

what happens now. So he's got the

41:45

money, what are the next steps

41:47

and what are the chances that he ends

41:49

up getting out of this thing somehow?

41:53

Well, I think it's going to take a long time.

41:55

I mean, the next steps really are the appeal.

41:58

I mean, he's got ten days to

42:00

put together this bond. But I don't think that's going to

42:02

be an issue for him, So that'll

42:04

be kind of uneventful I think by

42:06

the time it happens. But what that means

42:08

is tiss James cannot

42:11

do anything to enforce the

42:14

judgment until the appeal

42:16

is run. I suspect that

42:18

he will get that. Trump will get a

42:20

significant reduction in

42:23

the disgorgement fine on

42:27

appeal, but that may take

42:29

over a year. So you

42:31

know, I don't I think this this chapter,

42:33

once he posts this bond, this

42:36

chapter is done other than you

42:38

know, Democrats talking about that he's been found.

42:40

By a court to be a fraudulent businessman.

42:44

All right, so let's go to the Alvin bradcase. Andy,

42:47

And by the way, I'm gonna go ahead

42:49

and say your Mets are dead before the first

42:51

pitch is even thrown tomorrow. Sorry to take a shot

42:54

at you, and sorry for everybody out of New York who's still a little

42:56

bit optimistic.

42:57

But rain

43:00

down career.

43:02

Yeah, I know, I know, there's so

43:04

few days where Mets fans can be optimistic.

43:06

I hate to take one away from you like this.

43:09

April fifteenth, I think,

43:11

right, isn't it the new trial date

43:14

where they're going to start with the jury selection,

43:16

how long does this trial in your mind

43:19

take? And sorry,

43:22

the second part of that is, we had

43:24

you on when this happened a year ago, when we did a

43:26

big breakdown on how unbelievably

43:29

legally tenuous this entire theory

43:31

is of Alvin Bragg.

43:33

What are the odds that this thing even holds

43:35

up?

43:36

You know, even after the trial verdict comes

43:38

in, as the appellate process plays itself

43:40

out to kind of assess this case

43:43

from your knowledge as a

43:45

former US attorney in New York.

43:48

So I think that they are estimating Clay

43:50

that the case is.

43:51

Going to take four to six weeks.

43:55

I think that's kind of like the outer margin

43:57

in my experience of where lawyers

43:59

can accurately predict how long case it's

44:01

gonna take. Usually, if it gets outside

44:04

of six weeks, they're kind of telling you that they

44:06

have no idea how long.

44:07

It's going to take.

44:08

But let's take about their word and figure they can

44:10

get a jury reasonably

44:12

quickly.

44:13

Like, yeah, sorry to cut you off, how long do will you think

44:15

it'll take to seed to jury?

44:18

You know, I had a terrorism case years ago. It

44:20

took us three weeks to see the jury. Yeah,

44:23

and you know, Trump's a lot This

44:25

is a very different kind of case. But I mean Trump

44:27

in Manhattan, that's a tough uh, that's

44:30

a tough.

44:30

Place to get a fair jury.

44:32

But assuming they can do that, let's

44:34

say somewhere between three days

44:37

and two weeks, right. Oh,

44:39

and by the way, I should say.

44:40

They're gonna sit.

44:41

They're gonna sit four days a week and take off

44:43

Wednesdays.

44:44

So that's ye the schedule.

44:46

So I think the thing is he's got

44:48

a high chance of getting convicted

44:50

here, even though it's a nonsense case, because

44:53

I think the things that make the case

44:56

very weak may not be

44:58

as a parent of the jury. Because a lot

45:00

of legal argument, like, for example, it goes

45:02

to whether brag has authority

45:05

to do what he's trying to do here

45:08

although he's not talking about it, which is to

45:10

enforce federal campaign finance law

45:13

under situation under circumstances where the

45:15

two federal agencies that actually have jurisdiction

45:18

to do that looked at this and decided

45:20

not to take any enforcement action against Trump.

45:22

So you got Brad kind of making up his

45:25

own federal campaign finance

45:27

standards as he goes along.

45:29

That's an argument to me, that plays

45:31

much better on appeal than it will

45:33

in front the jury. In front of the jury, you're going to

45:35

get you.

45:36

Know, Stormy Daniels and hush

45:39

money and Trump's bookkeeping

45:41

in Michael Khan, that's the you know,

45:43

that's the case. And there's a lot

45:45

of I think there's

45:47

a lot of legal arguments that

45:49

ought to knock this out, like the Statute

45:51

of Limitations. This really ought

45:54

to just be a straight

45:56

one transaction misdemeanor

45:58

prosecution at best. If it were,

46:01

the Statute of Limitations would have run in twenty

46:03

nineteen because it's only a two year statute.

46:06

He's trying to make it a felony

46:09

by saying that Trump was trying

46:11

to conceal a campaign finance violation,

46:14

even though he doesn't have jurisdiction to

46:17

do that. And instead

46:19

of trying it as one felony, like

46:21

any normal.

46:22

Prosecutor would do if you were going to do that kind

46:24

of thing.

46:25

He's made it thirty four felonies

46:27

by taking every invoice,

46:30

every check that was cut,

46:33

and every bookkeeping entry as a

46:35

separate four year felony, which is

46:37

the Justice Department specifically tells

46:39

prosecutors not to do.

46:41

So there's a lot wrong with this case,

46:43

Andy, What do you think happens, assuming

46:46

that you're seeing this the way that

46:48

it plays out, what happens

46:50

if they get a guilty verdict in New

46:52

York? I mean, you know, then

46:54

we start to get to this really crazy place of

46:57

Okay, they got a guilty verdict, it's a

46:59

felony, and then

47:01

what.

47:03

Well, it's a good question because I think

47:07

I've always thought that this was such a BS

47:09

case that I didn't know how much

47:11

it really hurt him to get convicted here.

47:14

And what's happened in the interim, Buck

47:16

is that New York seems

47:19

like it's gamed against Trump. So

47:21

I think it may be even less persuasive

47:23

to people if he gets convicted here.

47:25

But I mean in the punishment phase, Andy, not the

47:27

politics of it, Like, what's the punishment?

47:30

Well, you know, look, it's it's every

47:32

count is four years, so statutorily

47:35

it's over a century, right, but

47:38

it's not. No,

47:42

it's nuts, But it's you know,

47:44

in New York, you got violent crime

47:46

that doesn't get prosecuted or gets fled down

47:49

to felonies, and serious criminals

47:51

walk in the streets. Hard to believe

47:53

that.

47:55

Even well, I keep

47:58

I have.

47:58

A voice in the back of my head saying saying, did

48:00

you believe that a judge would impose

48:03

of, you know, four hundred and fifty four million

48:05

dollars judgment

48:07

in the case with no fraud.

48:08

Well, Andy, this is my point. I know where you're going. It

48:10

feels like nothing can be hard to believe any more

48:12

about this process.

48:14

Now it's fair enough.

48:15

I mean, this should be no one should

48:17

do no one, not just Trump. No one

48:20

should do an hour in prison.

48:23

For this case. And

48:26

that's the way it should go. And

48:28

if you took.

48:29

Trump's name out of it, and you just said, somebody

48:32

gets convicted of a falsification

48:34

of business records crime in

48:36

New York, of all places, where you can't even

48:38

get people who do slashings on the

48:41

subway convicted half the time, then

48:44

you know he should get It should be it's

48:47

a nonviolent misdemeanor type

48:49

crime, first defender. You

48:51

know that should be No that shouldn't even

48:54

be prosecuted in New York.

48:55

But it certainly should be no jail time.

48:57

So it should be like a community service thing, basically,

48:59

like five hundred dollars fine in community service.

49:02

Right, Okay, the other cases

49:05

it wouldn't even be prosecuted for anyone

49:07

else.

49:08

Uh, for the other cases.

49:10

So let's say they get this case done, they get

49:12

some sort of verdict in it.

49:14

Given what you want, you want to keep Andy and go to

49:16

other case. Andy, can you do it in a couple more minutes?

49:18

Yeah, sure, your your your mets aren't

49:21

on right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can. We can

49:23

keep them. We'll keep Andy McCarthy here from

49:25

Nash re viewing Fox for a little more. Let's get into the other

49:27

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