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Welcome to today's edition of the

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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast.

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Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay

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Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all

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of you hanging out with us as we

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roll through today's program. Got

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a couple of great guests coming down the line. Tutor

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Dixon, an awful story out of Michigan, another

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legal immigrant taking a life that

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is getting a great deal of attention and

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none of these should be happening. We will talk about

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that with her, as well as Michigan as

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a battleground state. She's part of the Clay and Buck podcast

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network. Andy McCarthy on the

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absolute latest wranglings

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related to the Trump legal

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process. All of that coming

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your way during the course of the show.

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But there are three big stories

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I would say in conjunction

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that we will be talking about. The

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Francis Scott Key Bridge, I'm sure

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many of you have seen by now

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collapsed after being hit by a

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large tanker. The

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bridge saw this last night happen. Buck.

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When I saw the video, I thought

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it had to be AI with

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all of the talk about AI, because I had

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just never seen a bridge, certainly not

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in America, collapse like

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this one did. When it was struck by the boat.

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They are still looking for survivors

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potentially, but it sounds like there

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will be six to eight

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casualties, which given the collapse

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of the bridge, is really remarkable.

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They were able to may day ahead potentially

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and keep the number of cars limited on

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that bridge. But just

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a crazy story to follow.

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We'll talk about that. Truth Social

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has made its debut and

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Donald Trump on paper is now has

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now has over five billion

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dollars in truth Social

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stock. Let me see what the absolute latest

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on this is. Buck out

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there.

1:55

I had coffee with a friend this morning who

1:57

knows the financial world, and we both came

1:59

to this inclusion. It's remarkable

2:02

the Democrats seem to be in

2:05

process of making

2:08

Trump president again and making

2:11

him a billionaire again so he

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can make America great again.

2:14

I mean that the.

2:16

Legal stuff is backfiring, the

2:18

financial stuff is backfiring. I

2:20

know it's early. I know we don't know where this all

2:22

ends up. But Clay, if someone

2:25

had told me that Trump was gonna be worth five

2:27

billion liquid in addition to all the real

2:29

this is totally separate from all the real estate holdings

2:32

and all the brand value, I would have said

2:34

not in a million years.

2:35

I mean, it's just so hard to do that, and

2:37

here we are. That is also

2:40

where I hope that the

2:42

legacy of the lawfair is

2:45

going to be, that it blows up so much in

2:47

Democrats' faces that even though legally

2:50

someone might be willing to try it again, that

2:52

they set around and say, well, remember

2:54

what happened with Trump. Let's be careful here.

2:56

Let's try to beat him in the ballot box and not try to put him

2:58

in prison for the rest of his life and bankrupt him.

3:01

I also would say this, there

3:03

are a lot of you out there listening that

3:05

are very frustrated with what you've

3:08

seen occurring in our culture, whether

3:10

it's bud Light, whether it's Planet Fitness,

3:12

whether it's Disney, the culture

3:14

of wokeness that has infected

3:17

so much of this country right now.

3:20

I think Elon Musk calls it accurately

3:22

buck the woke mind virus that has

3:24

taken over and led so many of us

3:27

fellow citizens astray. There

3:30

is opportunity in chaos,

3:32

and there is opportunity in awful

3:34

decision making. And Trump

3:38

is becoming this is the greatest

3:41

wealth creation day in

3:43

his entire life, and he's had a lot of them

3:45

over the years, and it's all because

3:47

they banned him from Twitter, from

3:50

Instagram, from Facebook, from

3:52

all of those companies. If they just hadn't banned

3:55

him, I think the odds of him starting

3:57

his own social media company would have been

3:59

low. He saw the opportunity,

4:01

he's taken advantage of it. We don't know where it's

4:03

going to go from here, and we'll have some conversations

4:05

about this, but the fact

4:08

that he was able to create this situation at all

4:10

is a testament to see an opportunity

4:12

and seizing it.

4:14

I think it would be hard to come up with

4:16

a way to unite

4:20

conservatives more aggressively

4:25

together than to do exactly

4:28

what they have been doing for so many

4:30

people that I know. You know,

4:32

for example, even if I remember

4:34

Tucker said this that when they rated

4:36

mar A Lago, as much as

4:38

he was frustrated about some aspects

4:40

of you know, twenty twenty and Jay six and

4:42

everything else with regard to Trump, and

4:45

Tucker said that that it was just over

4:47

for him. It's all about not

4:49

let it. You can't let this stand. Like you

4:52

don't have a republic anymore, you don't have

4:54

a system of elected government

4:56

and rule of law instead of rule of men,

4:59

if you can and just have on some preposterous

5:02

pretext, as we said all along, like you

5:04

know, if they found five bodies in the yard

5:06

at mar A Lago, Okay, we

5:09

get it right, Like you know, there are there are reasons

5:12

to investigate. They sent an FBI

5:14

team into the guy's house over documents,

5:16

and I know all the arguments to his president, but just

5:19

put that aside for a second. It obviously

5:21

didn't need to happen. It was show trial

5:23

stuff. It was Soviet stuff. And so for a lot

5:25

of people any misgivings that they've had

5:28

about you know, is Trump the right guy

5:30

again? Maybe he was the right guy in twenty sixteen

5:33

at twenty twenty, is he still the right guy given

5:35

what the Democrats have done to him? I think people are

5:37

shouting more than ever, more loudly than ever,

5:39

on the right he's the only guy. I

5:42

also think it's evidence of many

5:45

of the narratives that Democrats have totally

5:47

collapsing around them. I read yesterday

5:50

on Friday they sent

5:52

out the Biden Harris Camp did

5:54

a email calling Donald

5:56

Trump broke don with

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the idea being, oh, he we've bankrupted

6:01

him. He doesn't have any money, and

6:03

now he has tangible

6:05

wealth which no one can deny,

6:08

which for a real estate guy has

6:11

always been the question about Trump in the past,

6:13

because what stake do you have in

6:15

that building?

6:16

What's the value of that building at its

6:18

present present price, what

6:21

is the interest rates going to be? What is

6:23

the actual yield on some of these properties? We

6:25

never really knew. Now

6:29

all we have to do to figure out what Trump's

6:31

truth Social value is

6:34

is just multiplied the price of the

6:36

stock times the number of shares

6:38

that he has and he's made at

6:40

the price that it presently is roughly

6:43

five billion dollars in

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truth Social today. And I think you and

6:48

I, if we had been forecasting

6:51

truth Social, I would

6:53

have never expected Trump to make even one

6:56

billion dollars off truth Social if we

6:58

had been talking about this a couple of years ago. When

7:00

the company idea came out.

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I also am very

7:04

encouraged because I was for

7:06

for years, uh Clay, even

7:08

before you and I you and I

7:11

teamed up for this show. One

7:13

of the things that I'll be honest, I would just get

7:15

so frustrated about was

7:18

the recognition that the left had established

7:20

control not just of platforms

7:23

but really of commerce that in

7:25

the digital you know, internet first

7:27

era we lived in, they had

7:30

seized all the choke points. They

7:32

had seized the choke points for everything from

7:34

social media to who's delivering

7:36

you know, toilet paper and boxes to your house,

7:39

to the web servers that are

7:41

the things you have to you know, run the electron

7:43

through to even be on the internet, all

7:46

of it, they had taken all of it. The parallel

7:48

economy that we are seeing emerging, and I

7:50

will say, uh, that includes

7:53

some of our our stalwarts sponsors on

7:55

this show who have been with us for years and with

7:57

other conservative shows for years too.

8:00

It is growing by leaps and bounds

8:02

because it is right and it is necessary.

8:05

And I'm you know so that's.

8:06

Why when I see the truth social thing and I see

8:08

you know, different brands out there, and

8:11

you know, we're we're thinking Clay all the time about

8:14

how we could contribute to this as well. Yes,

8:16

it's important to build brands

8:18

that share your values. I

8:20

always tell people, you know, I want conservative

8:23

everything in my life at least as an option. And

8:26

if it is an option, you know what, I'm gonna take it.

8:29

That's why I started out kick. I didn't know

8:31

exactly where everything was going. But

8:34

if you and that's what I would say to all of you out

8:36

there, frustration, anger,

8:40

that's not a strategy, but it can

8:42

lead to a strategy.

8:44

And if you are an entrepreneur, if you

8:46

are a capitalist, there are a

8:48

lot of opportunities out there, as Buck

8:50

said in the Parallel Economy, for

8:52

you to find a way to not

8:55

just make money, which is great,

8:57

but to also make money while advocating

8:59

for things that you believe in and

9:02

throwing a punchback at this woke universe.

9:04

Here's Stuart Varney, by the way, on Fox Business

9:06

discussing Truth Social Now.

9:09

To be fair, there is a meme stock

9:11

element to this. For those of you who followed

9:13

Game Stop, bed Bath and beyond. I

9:16

bet a lot of people who are listening to us right

9:18

now are buying stock in

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Truth Social symbol DGT

9:23

DJT sorry because

9:26

they want to show support for Donald

9:28

Trump. And Stuart Varney talks about

9:30

that a little bit. Cut five. I'm going to get back to DJT

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as in Donald J. Trump.

9:35

The stock is now forty one

9:37

percent, it's open for trading azov

9:39

this morning. Are people buying this company

9:42

this stock because they think it's got

9:44

inherent value or because

9:46

they want to demonstrate support for

9:48

Donald Trump. I think it's almost

9:50

like a meme stock, and that's the way it

9:52

they'll play out. It's a bet on whether

9:54

Trump wins or loses in November

9:57

of this year. If he loses, I think

9:59

the stock Ghost will down. If he wins,

10:01

it looks like he's going to win. I think

10:03

the stock does well because then truth Social

10:05

will will do well.

10:08

I think there's some truth to that. Again, what

10:11

is the actual market value

10:13

here? Just to be fair, who

10:17

is this? This is Truth Social

10:19

is essentially worthless? Not surprising.

10:21

Adam Pollock says, if

10:23

Trump tried to sell the company

10:26

would go to zero. Here's cut eight.

10:28

I think that the value is essentially worthless.

10:30

This is a company that doesn't make any money.

10:33

And sure they could change the bylaws

10:35

and end the lock up period and go

10:38

to market and sell US share. Someone

10:40

will buy US share two shares. But

10:42

if they went to market and tried to sell three

10:44

billion dollars, the value

10:46

of the stock would go to zero practically

10:49

immediately.

10:50

That's what I said yesterday to be fair

10:52

that it's not like you can just unload the stock and

10:54

then everything will be fine, So

10:56

it's not quite as clear as you

10:58

know. It's not like Trump got to check three billion dollars

11:01

for winning the lottery. You know, this is not money

11:03

in the bank even with that, by the way, as anyone,

11:05

I don't know how many lottery winners we have. You

11:07

know that they always give you some lump sum option

11:09

payment upfront, which is a tiny fraction of

11:11

the overall because they pay you

11:14

in yearly installments for the rest of your life.

11:16

And you know, people would rather have a lot of money at once.

11:19

I think though that Clay. What we see

11:21

is people are recognizing

11:24

that, you know, conservative media

11:26

came along, thank you Rush and then

11:28

Fox News and some sites on

11:30

the internet and were

11:33

it was it was finally possible to

11:36

have a little bit of of a of a

11:38

counter narrative, right, But what we've seen

11:40

is the counter narrative is not enough if

11:42

they're going to control everything

11:45

that you can buy, and they're going to control everyone's

11:47

retirement accounts, and they're going to have all that so.

11:49

In every ad agency, which may be the locust

11:52

of all industries in the entire country.

11:55

Yeah, and so you look at

11:57

the way that that market

11:59

dominant is cracking and I

12:01

just think it's such a good thing. It's

12:03

such a good thing for the country. We're the early stages

12:06

of it, to be clear. I mean, if you look at the

12:08

assets that a Blackstone has I'm

12:10

sorry, black Rock has well. I mean Blackstone

12:12

is huge too, but that's private equity. But

12:15

black Rock has under management for example,

12:17

And you look at Vanguard and these huge companies.

12:19

I know. That's why you know Viveik has been trying.

12:21

To push a conservative

12:24

values aligned financial

12:27

sector effectively. I mean, he's starting out with one company,

12:29

but he's trying to do more than that. Because

12:32

if at the end of the day, we're

12:34

hoping for the good graces

12:37

of the board of directors

12:39

of some multi national

12:42

media conglomerate to say

12:44

I'm going to allow conservative voices,

12:48

you know, there are very few places where

12:50

that's going to be able to happen. There are a lot of

12:52

places where you're gonna get what you have at Morning

12:54

Joe, which I want to talk more about, Clay. Yes,

12:58

they have gone full blown insane,

13:00

and I think this all ties together right, They've gone

13:02

full blown insane over

13:05

let's be honest, a not particularly

13:07

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13:13

They are acting like they

13:15

have I mean, they're acting like they've hired Clay and Buck.

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They're acting like they've thrown you

13:19

know, Alex Jones on there. I

13:21

mean, they're they're going all in against

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Ronna McDaniel.

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And they're only paying her again, three

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hundred thousand dollars. And people say, well, that's a lot

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of money. That is nothing

13:33

relative to what It's not like they gave

13:35

her thirty million dollars like they did Rachel Maddow.

13:37

I mean, this is a relatively you

13:40

know, normal contributor contract

13:42

for someplace like Nbczoro probably makes

13:45

close to ten million dollars a year, oh at least at

13:47

least. Yeah.

13:49

So, I mean this is the stuff that we're up against and you're

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seeing. So yeah, No,

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15:42

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15:46

taken aback. I

15:48

believe it's a nautical term for when the wind switches

15:51

on you and hits your sale in the wrong direction. By the way,

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fun fact, to be taken a back

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or a back. You knew this, right

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you're looking at No, I did not know that.

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I was just thinking that there are two things

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that everybody to a large extent, knew

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a lot about back in the day, riding

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horses and sailing, you know, boats

16:08

and how to do it that we know nothing about now.

16:10

A lot of it influences our terminology.

16:13

Yeah.

16:15

So anyway, I'm rarely taken

16:17

aback by the libs because I know how crazy they

16:19

are, and I feel like I've made a life study of insane

16:21

libs. As a conservative who grew up in New York City.

16:24

But the freak out over roon a McDaniel

16:27

is just wild

16:29

over at NBC News. This is

16:31

let's hear from. There's so many to choose from, Clay,

16:33

Let's start with Nicole Wallace ten.

16:35

In this instance, NBC News, either wittingly

16:38

or unwittingly, is teaching election

16:40

deniers that what they can

16:42

do stretches well beyond appearing

16:45

on our air and interviews to pedal lies

16:47

about the sanctity and integrity of

16:49

our elections, which Ron McDaniels

16:51

did yesterday.

16:52

I mean the press.

16:53

What we've also said election deniers is

16:55

not just they can do that on our airwaves, but that they

16:57

can do that as one of us, as

16:59

bad carrying employees of

17:01

NBC News, as paid contributors

17:04

to our sacred airwaves.

17:06

Our sacred airwaves. The cool Kids

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17:11

wants to sit with them. Clay's

17:14

I have so many thoughts about this, but we

17:16

need to really kind of dive into what's going on

17:18

here. We talked about it a little bit yesterday, and I understand if

17:21

some of you out there don't

17:23

really understand or haven't really paid

17:25

that much attention to this story, but I think it's so emblematic

17:28

of the desire to control what can

17:30

be said and this whole toxic

17:33

concept of platforming. Oh,

17:35

you're not allowed to platform someone else

17:37

and allow them to share their ideas.

17:40

That's too destructive to journalism.

17:42

When all MSNBC

17:45

does all day is chill

17:47

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17:50

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17:52

there are conservatives on MSNBC.

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Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging

19:00

out with us. Okay, we

19:03

talked about this some yesterday, but this

19:05

has gone to just next

19:07

levels of utter insanity,

19:11

and I think we

19:13

need to kind of contextualize how bonkers

19:16

the culture of many of these news

19:18

organizations has become. Buck.

19:23

They pay Rachel Maddow thirty million

19:25

dollars a year now MSNBC

19:27

does to do one show

19:30

a week. She's on every Monday. She

19:33

opened her show yesterday

19:37

with a twenty seven minute rant

19:40

about how unacceptable it was

19:42

that Ronald McDaniel was being

19:44

hired by NBC.

19:48

And I want to give you a couple of these, a

19:50

couple of these cuts. But here is Mattow saying,

19:53

Ronal McDaniel on the payroll is

19:56

inexplicable.

19:56

Listen, Ronal McDaniel will not appear

19:59

on MSNB, so says our boss

20:01

since Saturday, and it has never been anything

20:04

other than clear. And I will also say,

20:06

you know, if you care what I think about this, I will tell

20:08

you the fact that miss McDaniel is

20:10

on the payroll at NBC News, to

20:13

me, that is inexplicable.

20:15

I mean, you wouldn't you wouldn't.

20:17

You wouldn't hire like a

20:19

wise guy. You wouldn't hire a made man

20:21

like a mobster to work

20:23

at a DA's office, right, You

20:26

wouldn't hire a pickpocket to work as a TSA

20:29

screener.

20:30

And so I.

20:31

Find the decision to put her on the payroll

20:34

inexplicable, and I hope they will reverse

20:36

their decision.

20:38

This is an awful analogy, first of all,

20:40

because one of the primary ways

20:42

that people who work in communications

20:45

for the Republican Party and the Democrat Party

20:47

when they leave politics is they

20:49

go straight to media, just like Jensaki

20:52

just did. But even her analogy there, you wouldn't

20:54

hire someone as a lawyer who das

20:57

go and become defense attorneys all

20:59

the time. That is one of the primary

21:01

ways that defense attorneys make

21:04

their become skilled

21:06

enough is they learn what the prosecutor

21:08

does, and then they're able to defend better

21:10

because they know the other side's playbook. So

21:13

this clutching of pearls

21:16

that is going on over Roona McDaniel is important

21:18

because really what they're saying is they're

21:21

fine with Republicans so long

21:23

as they all hate Trump, which

21:25

is what the arguments are.

21:27

Well, this is what they've been doing really for years.

21:29

And you know, CNN had a

21:31

house cleaning even back in twenty seventeen

21:34

where they got rid of all the pro

21:36

Trump Republicans that they had on the air before

21:39

because they were horrified in their minds

21:42

their role in helping to elevate Trump to the

21:44

presidency by carrying his rallies. And

21:46

as I've said many times, they thought

21:49

it was all just like a carnival, like a side

21:51

show where they get great ratings

21:53

and the American people get a laugh. As Hillary

21:55

is, you know, measuring the drapes in the White House

21:57

for a second time. And what

22:00

happened is obviously we know what happened twenty sixteen,

22:02

Trump wins. The part of this, though we haven't

22:04

gotten into yet, is there's reporting and

22:06

this is what's really amazing to me that

22:09

NBC News is thinking about withdrawing

22:11

or you know, canceling or contract already that

22:14

this kind of pressure publicly from

22:17

hysterical lunatic news

22:19

anchors in their employ might

22:21

result in them bailing on Ronald mcgannell. Which is

22:23

just why I say you cannot

22:25

be This is not overstatement.

22:28

You cannot be a Republican

22:31

and take yourself seriously and

22:34

go work on air at

22:36

NBC or CBS

22:39

or CNN, MSNBC. You can't

22:42

because they won't have you. If they're

22:44

willing to have you, it's because you're a punching

22:46

bag, or as they used to call it. You ever heard

22:48

the phrase clay pigeon about this.

22:50

That's what they used to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

22:52

okay.

22:52

It's a little bit like a like a jobber in wrestling,

22:54

right, isn't that the guy that gets thrown around?

22:56

Right?

22:56

Yeah, you're a clay pigeon. You're meant to get blown

22:59

to smithereens on TV and

23:02

or your job is to be a fake

23:04

Republican who says I'm a Republican

23:06

and let me say, I'm just here to bash

23:09

Donald Trump. Well, you know, the

23:11

whole Republican Party is unifying behind

23:13

Donald Trump right now. So if you're a Republican

23:15

and all you're going to do is bash Trump and say you're going to vote

23:18

for Democrats, I think there's some confusion

23:20

about what party you belong to.

23:21

I also think there's a couple of other things that are at

23:24

play here. One, the

23:26

media power is collapsing.

23:29

Can you think of anyone in

23:32

traditional media at NBC,

23:35

CBS or ABC

23:38

that is really trusted by the American

23:40

public. I can't

23:42

think of anyone. And you

23:44

and I are old enough to remember the days

23:47

when a Dan Rather or Tom

23:49

Brokaw or Peter Jennings what

23:52

they said actually did carry

23:54

a lot of weight, and they

23:56

were at least pretending that they were playing

23:59

it down the middle. Now was that true? Okay?

24:01

I think you can make arguments against it, and

24:04

certainly this comes out of the Walter Cronkite

24:06

era, but there was sort of this

24:08

gatekeeper aspect to the media

24:10

where there was trustworthiness here. Think

24:13

about NBC doesn't have a single person

24:16

on its airwaves that I'm aware of fuck

24:18

that would say, yeah, I'm voting for Trump. I think he's

24:20

the better choice than Biden.

24:22

Yeah, how can you be representative or speak to

24:24

America in a way that you're supposed

24:26

to connect when you don't have a single person

24:28

in the any broader news network

24:30

ecosystem that you're operating who understands

24:33

what what half the country thinks.

24:35

What was your first have we talked about this? What was your first

24:37

ever internship? My first

24:39

ever internship was on Capitol Hilly

24:42

with h with the Nashville

24:44

congressman at the time when I was at GW. I

24:47

went and uh and interned in that Nashville

24:50

Congressman's off.

24:50

Because because my my first internship at CBS,

24:52

right, CBS okay, I have the CBS even

24:55

News with Dan Rather Okay, yeah, And

24:57

and people would say, oh, Buck, I thought you were a conservative high

24:59

school yeah, Will, I didn't know. I didn't know that

25:01

this was the gold standard like CVS even

25:03

News with Dan Rather, this is non political. I

25:05

was like a seventeen year old kid. I didn't know anything.

25:08

Maybe I just earned eighteen and I'm

25:11

working there. And I just

25:13

remembered, even at that young age,

25:15

being just shocked at sitting

25:17

in the meetings how like

25:20

rabidly partisan because they would now I

25:22

was a little interned. I was literally fetching

25:24

tapes and coffee.

25:26

Yeah.

25:26

I was want to be very I was

25:28

doing the most low level stuff,

25:30

but they let me sit in. And I'm not an imbecile,

25:33

you know. I was a pretty stavvy kid. And

25:35

I would hear them, I'm like, wow, they just all

25:37

like hate hate Republicans.

25:40

Is this is how it was very obvious, very clear,

25:43

and beyond that, I was amazed. Also, Dan rather

25:45

not smart, like not a wise,

25:48

knowledgeable, well read

25:51

guy at all, spent a lot

25:53

of time in the makeup chair and a lot

25:55

of time staring at himself as he read lines written

25:57

by other people. And I was like, this guy's basically an actor.

26:00

Yeah, And that was a really formative

26:03

realization at a very young age. I was like,

26:05

oh, so this is all a fraud. Basically, this

26:07

whole thing is a fraud.

26:09

And I do think it's important to

26:11

remember that these are public airwaves.

26:15

And I haven't heard anybody talk about this, but

26:18

CBS, NBC, ABC,

26:22

you have an obligation to

26:25

try and represent the nation on

26:28

your airwaves because these are

26:30

publicly owned airwaves. And it's

26:32

different than on MSNBC or

26:35

Fox News or CNN, which

26:37

are cable premium channels

26:39

that we all pay for. You can

26:41

still get ABC, CBS and NBC

26:44

if you go put you

26:46

know, you go put your antenna up. You

26:49

can still pull these things out the out of

26:51

the sky. And so I haven't

26:53

heard have you heard anybody talk about this?

26:55

This is actually, I think a really

26:58

interesting angle to attack. NBC

27:02

arguably is actually obligated

27:04

to hire someone like Roni McDaniel

27:07

because while MSNBC might

27:09

only want to cover left wing

27:12

and propaganda for Democrats, as

27:14

a cable channel, NBC

27:16

News has to, ostensibly,

27:19

under the equal time doctrine, not

27:21

be producing a propaganda

27:24

news broadcast, and so having

27:26

someone like Roni McDaniel is

27:29

not only arguably good

27:31

for business to have as

27:33

many people that you're speaking to as possible,

27:36

arguably it's required. And I

27:38

haven't heard anybody make an argument about

27:40

that. As everybody is losing their minds

27:42

on MSNBC, you

27:45

can't. And in fact, I think we should play this

27:47

because this is the real world

27:49

that we're in right now. I'm

27:52

why don't why don't we tease with This's a good

27:54

idea. We'll play what exactly they want

27:57

to do and uh

27:59

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Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.

29:22

All right, welcome back to Clay and Buck. So what should

29:24

conservative voices at left

29:27

wing outlets sound like?

29:29

What are the guidelines here? Because if we don't

29:31

want any of those election denials?

29:34

Makes me so scared they denial

29:37

elections.

29:37

I'm like, wait, didn't Donald Trump

29:39

win the twenty sixteen election because of Russia?

29:42

Oh no, that's a lie. But all the

29:44

Democrats said that for four years.

29:45

That's so weird. Yeah. And also, just

29:48

to make an analogy here, Donna Brazil

29:50

got hired by Fox News. Again not a direct

29:53

analogy because Fox News a cable company,

29:55

but did you hear anyone at

29:57

Fox News publicly lose

29:59

their mind over Fox News hiring one

30:01

of Hillary's top advisors? And

30:04

Donna Brazilla spent years saying that Trump

30:06

stole the twenty sixteen election, and

30:09

she goes on as the Democrat strategist

30:11

who was breaking down twenty twenty election

30:14

night coverage. I mean, she is the Democrat

30:16

there. You know that Fox News

30:18

has Herald Ford Junior. They have a lot

30:21

of people who are Democrats on their network.

30:23

Still, the origins of

30:25

our business, some would trace back

30:27

to the

30:30

debates between Gore Vidal and William

30:33

F. Buckley. That was a

30:35

very early version of this.

30:37

You know, I know there was there was Buckley crossfire and stuff,

30:39

but the the Vidal Buckley

30:42

debates that happened, I forget

30:44

what year it was for the presidential election,

30:46

but got you know, a lot of attention and very

30:49

But it was always supposed to be the

30:52

exchange, the back and forth of ideas from

30:54

different sides like that. That's kind of the origins

30:57

of this. I mean, political debate is supposed

30:59

to be exchange of ideas. And

31:02

what's happened in the Internet era is

31:04

we've just gotten increasingly siloed.

31:07

And as you and I always say, like I'll go

31:09

on, I mean I've done, Bill Mahrs. You know you'll be on

31:11

at some point it's crazy that you haven't been on, but you'll be on at some

31:13

point. But that's one of the very rare places

31:16

these days where you can be right of center

31:18

and even get invited on. And

31:21

you know, it's not fair there, like I was. It was four

31:23

on one when I'm there, and.

31:24

People was like, you should just go squort shirts.

31:26

I'm like, yeah, but you just end up yelling over. You can't do

31:28

that, right, you only have so much time

31:30

to talk or else you sound like a crazy person is just shouting

31:32

over everybody. But anyway, here's

31:34

how they want things to be though, So that's one. One version

31:37

of it is the Buckley Vidal. Do

31:40

you know that clip? By the way, Clay, do you know what I'm talking

31:42

about?

31:42

Or he's like, listen, you know he Buckley

31:45

lost his cool little bit with the Vidal. Do you know what I'm talking

31:47

about? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

31:50

Buckley Buckley got a little hot under the

31:52

collar. Anyway, here

31:54

is uh maybe we'll play that well. Anyway,

31:57

here is uh.

32:00

Alyssa Farroh Griffin over at CNN

32:02

say, oh no, I'm sorry on the view she's

32:04

on CNNA and oh she's on CNN. Yes,

32:07

what she's a view host, there we go, cause you're welcome everywhere

32:09

if you're a lid. This is what should be the way play

32:11

it.

32:11

I feel very strongly, obviously that there

32:13

needs to be a Republican representation in media.

32:15

We represent fifty percent of the country,

32:18

but there are credible Republicans who never

32:20

dabbled in this dangerous lie that

32:22

Joe Biden didn't legitimately win the election,

32:25

who would be far better served for NBC

32:27

could offer the same expertise but with more credibility.

32:29

I think if people like Chris Christy, Chris

32:32

Kreb, Sarah Matthew, Smick mulvaney

32:34

willhard to give her this platform

32:36

when she was such a contributor, she hosted

32:38

that insane RNC press conference where

32:40

they blamed Hugo Shavas, who was no longer

32:42

with us, for stealing the election. Like there's just such

32:44

a credibility factor, and I think it.

32:46

Was a mistake.

32:48

She's the head, was the

32:50

head of the RNC. Okay, we

32:52

all understand why she got hired. Clay

32:55

also, I was trying to think, what are the names Chris Christie

32:57

who everybody that she named hates.

33:00

So it's fine if you're a Republican to be hired

33:02

as long as you hate Trump, right, that's

33:04

the so you have to hate you have to

33:06

be a Republican who wants the Democrats to win.

33:09

That's the standard. That's the rule

33:11

for being an acceptable Republican on the

33:13

airwaves of ABC, CBS,

33:15

NBCC and n ET cetera, and you know all

33:17

these different news channels.

33:19

And again, I think the fact that this is a

33:21

public network is not getting enough attention.

33:24

They are obligated, and we'll see whether

33:26

they end up buckling to MSNBC

33:28

because Rachel Mattow had a big point of She's

33:31

never going to appear on our airwaves. This is NBC

33:33

news only. Do they not understand

33:35

the equal time doctrine that arguably,

33:37

in order to have their license, NBC

33:40

has an obligation to do news, and

33:43

they have an obligation to do news in

33:45

not an incredibly part is in way

33:47

now, So many of you out there are going to say,

33:50

well, let's be honest, NBC, CBS,

33:52

ABC, all of them have their own bias

33:55

associated with that. I understand certainly they

33:57

do, but it's different than what's

33:59

permissible under the cable news

34:01

standard. So I don't hear anybody

34:03

talking about this. But NBC is

34:05

obligated in many ways. I think

34:07

buck to have someone like Ron McDaniel

34:10

to speak to Trum right now is

34:12

favor to win election. Over half of

34:14

people right now are saying they would vote for him.

34:16

Think about what NBC is saying. You can't have

34:19

anyone that is paid by the network

34:21

that over half of the nation is willing to vote

34:23

for.

34:25

And they wonder why the

34:27

notion of trust and journalism is It's just

34:29

a punchline. Now it's a joke, and

34:31

no one takes seriously that

34:33

these entities are

34:35

are nonpartisan or even honest

34:38

rights the it's gone beyond

34:40

the level. I try to remind people of this all the time.

34:42

They've always been partisan, but they

34:45

used to have a greater

34:47

inclination toward factual honesty

34:50

because they know without any without factual

34:52

honesty, nobody who's intelligent will believe

34:54

you, and also at least go through the motions

34:56

of hearing from the other side.

34:58

Right.

34:58

Yeah, but now that's been dispensed

35:00

with, and this is how you get to I

35:03

can't remember it was the New York Times, the Washington Post, but

35:05

openly there was democracytized in darkness

35:07

and The Washington Post under the Trump era, but

35:09

they started to say openly,

35:12

we have to take sides against Trump,

35:14

because to take sides against Trump is

35:16

to side with the truth. And that was

35:19

the you know, this was like the absolutism

35:21

that they were excusing.

35:22

No doubt, and also it coincidentally

35:25

was also what was necessary in order for their

35:27

business to thrive as they moved to a subscription

35:29

based model. Remember, there is nobody

35:31

out there who wants to subscribe to The New York

35:34

Times and just get straight down the

35:36

middle news. By and large, The New

35:38

York Times is a fan Democrat

35:40

site, and people pay The New York Times

35:43

to tell them you're right, your

35:45

side is correct on everything. Republicans

35:48

are awful. There isn't really a print

35:51

publication that is the equivalent of

35:53

the New York Times. People say, oh, the Wall Street Journal.

35:55

Wall Street Journal is maybe a little bit

35:57

right of center. I mean, it's by far, I think the

35:59

most reliable news organization

36:02

from a print publication perspective. Maybe

36:04

you say the New York Post, but it's not primarily a subscription

36:07

based model. So everything

36:09

is falling apart in

36:12

terms of trying to cover and be

36:14

fair to both sides, which is what the ostensible

36:17

purpose of NBCABC, CBS

36:19

all are as a function of getting

36:21

their broadcast license. We come back. We've got

36:23

a couple of awesome guests coming to your direction, by the way,

36:25

Tutor Dixon, Andy McCarthy. Tutor

36:27

Dixon for the latest of what's going on in the

36:29

toss up state of Michigan, which

36:32

if Biden loses, he is going to end

36:34

up not winning in twenty twenty four almost

36:36

definitively. And then Andy McCarthy on

36:38

the calendar, the schedule, all

36:41

of the legal machinations that are underway.

36:43

We'll break all that down for you next couple of hours. Appreciate

36:46

all of you hanging and we'll take your calls. Eight

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hundred and two A two to two eight A two. Let's

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keep rolling into Allenbor two