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Welcome to today's edition of the

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Clay Travis and buck Sexton Show podcast.

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Welcome back in.

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Clay Travis buck Sexton Show

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if you're just tuning in right now. We've

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got a couple of major news stories that

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are interacting in the ongoing

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Trump law fair case. The

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bond that Trump was scheduled

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to be required to post today

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a four hundred and fifty four million

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dollars has been reduced on appeal

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to one hundred and seventy five million

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dollars. Still too high,

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but Trump says he has the money to make

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that appeal paid. They are melting down

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on the left over that reduction

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by the appeals court. Also, Judge

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Marshan in the Alvin braggcase

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has set a Trump trial date

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in New York City for the bookkeeping

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misdemeanor that he elevated to a felony

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of April fifteenth. Donald

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Trump, reacting to both

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of these stories, live in

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New York City.

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Right now. Let's go year what Trump

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has to say.

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There's amount of money that was put

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on by a corrupt judge named

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Angoran. You ought to be looked

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at, seriously looked at, especially what

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he did with valuations.

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He's the one.

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He's a fraudulent evaluator where

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he values Marlago when eighteen million dollars

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in people say it's worth fifty two one hundred times

1:19

that much, the biggest experts in the

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business, So he ought to be looked

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at, and James ought to be looked at because

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she tried to get him. She's like the puppet master

1:28

of the judge. And in

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our state, this state is losing

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tremendous prestige, it's

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losing its companies, it's losing its people.

1:38

They're fleeing, and violent crime

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is flourishing and we can't

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have that. Can't have that.

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No city should have that, And

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it's happening in other cities, but not with

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the lawfare.

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The lawfare that they're doing is incredible.

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So they could have done this in the case of

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the trial that we just left one of the many

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that are going. Every single one of them is run

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by Biden and his thugs the.

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Only way they think they can get elected.

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And I think so far it's backfiring because the people

2:06

of this country understand it.

2:08

It's backfiring.

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But they're being run and they're running all of

2:12

these different cases so ridiculous.

2:14

The cases every one of them is ridiculous.

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You take a look at.

2:19

Any one of them and you say any one

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of them, it wouldn't make any difference.

2:22

This is all weaponization of DOJ

2:25

and FBI.

2:26

They raided my house in

2:28

violation of a thing called the Fourth Amendment.

2:31

Not allowed to do that.

2:32

They raided my house in Florida, morro A Lago,

2:36

no notice, no nothing, they raided it.

2:38

I can't believe it. Nobody can believe

2:40

it. And we'll see how that all works out

2:42

in the end. But it's illegal

2:45

what they're doing. It's criminal what they're doing,

2:47

and it's never been done before in this country.

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You can't have an election

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in the middle of a political season.

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We just had Super.

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Tuesday, and we had a Tuesday

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after a Tuesday already, and

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we had Louisiana the other day,

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a couple of days ago, and we

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won in a record number, the highest number ever

3:07

recorded. But we're

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in the middle of an election right now, and we're

3:11

fighting crookly Joe Biden, who's the worst

3:13

president in the history of our country by far,

3:16

who's let this country go to hell. The borders,

3:19

millions and millions of people coming in from

3:21

prisons, from mental

3:24

institutions.

3:24

They're terrorists.

3:25

Many people coming in from prisons and mental

3:28

institutions think of it, and terrorists

3:30

are coming into our country and this guy's

3:32

just letting them come in by the millions. I think we have

3:34

fifteen million people already. People

3:36

don't say that. I say it, and I'll bet

3:38

I'm right too. So we're

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going through this weaponization of our government

3:43

to try and knock out somebody's political opponent,

3:46

and so far.

3:47

Based on the polls, is not working at all. The

3:49

people understand it.

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We have a man who just ruled it'd

3:53

like to trial to start in twenty one days or something.

3:56

And I don't know how you can have a trial that's

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going right in the middle of an election. Not fair,

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not fair, It's not fair at all. He knows

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that he's a Democrat judge. He

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wants to do that because they're all

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trying to damage Trump as much as possible.

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It's having the reverse effect. But maybe someday

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it won't. I don't know, but it's having

4:15

the reverse effect. It's a terrible,

4:17

terrible precedent, a terrible thing to

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do. They could have started this

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when I left office. You could have gone back three

4:24

years more.

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Than that, but I left office.

4:27

All of these things could have been started, so we wouldn't

4:30

be quibbling over starting

4:32

this week or that week, or two days or three days.

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It wouldn't have mattered. This thing would have been over two years

4:36

ago. They could have started. They should

4:38

have never started, because there's no case. If you read Andy

4:41

McCarthy's piece, if you read

4:43

Jonathan Turley's piece, if you read legal

4:45

scholars all over the world, they

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say this DA case is a hoax and

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it's something that shouldn't have It's not even a crime. They

4:52

said there's no crime, and there is no

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crime. So I just say, it's

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a sad day for this country when

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you have something this And remember

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the words should have been started three

5:03

years ago if they were going to start it at all, and

5:06

then you wouldn't be quibbling over what week it's

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going to days, equibbling over days and hours.

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They wouldn't be quibbling at all. They

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never started it. And you know why they didn't start it

5:15

because they didn't know I'd be running, and

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they didn't know how well I do and

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if I were not running, or if I were

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doing poorly like everyone else has done.

5:24

Because they're they're all knocked out except

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for Crook and Joe Biden.

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If I were doing poorly, this wouldn't

5:30

be happening, and none of these trials would have been

5:32

happening.

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If I wasn't running, they wouldn't be happening.

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So it's a sad day in our country in many respects.

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But the good day is that the appellate division

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was fair.

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It's a lot of money still, but the

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judge has corrupted. In my opinion, he's

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the most overturned judge. He's been overturned

5:49

five times in this case alone.

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He ruled against me before he even knew anything

5:54

about the case. He ruled against me.

5:55

The whole case was all about damages and

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there were no damages. And

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perhaps you'll get him to tell you about what

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took place in terms of a settlement

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negotiation, because those weren't.

6:07

The numbers he was discussing. Those weren't

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the numbers.

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It's a disgrace what's happening in our

6:12

country, and we have to get

6:14

our country back, and we're going to get our country back.

6:16

That's what's going to happen. November fifth,

6:19

I believe, will be.

6:20

The most important day in the history

6:23

of our country.

6:24

We'll get these people out of there, and we'll seal

6:26

up the borders and we'll, as I say,

6:28

drill, baby, drill, We'll be drilling.

6:30

We'll get energy costs down, we'll get

6:32

rid of the ridiculous electric

6:34

car mandate. So nobody's ever heard

6:37

of anything so foolish and so stupid,

6:40

and we'll bring prime back

6:42

to law and order. We're going to get

6:45

those words law and order back because

6:47

our cities are a disaster.

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Greatly.

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Okay, let's go ahead, and we'll continue

6:54

to monitor this as he is reacting

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in real time and see if there is any additional

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news coming out. And again, I know it's hard to keep

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tabs on all this, but two major

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legal rulings that he's reacting to outside

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of the New York City courtroom. And I would bet buck

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that if we're going to start as the judge as

7:10

ruled that we are April fifteenth, the

7:12

jury selection process in the New York

7:15

City case, that Trump will be having press

7:17

conferences on the steps of the courthouse

7:19

almost every day, potentially for

7:22

several months as this case pit plays

7:24

out. And it feels a little

7:26

bit to me when I was a kid,

7:28

we got the Braer Rabbit. Do you

7:30

remember Breer Rabbit bucked you guys in New York

7:33

City? Ever watch any of the Breer Rabbit show

7:35

back in the day. The way Trump's

7:37

talking reminds me of when Breer

7:39

Rabbit would say, don't throw me in the brier patch.

7:41

Oh, please, don't throw me in the brier patch. That'd

7:44

be the worst thing. He basically

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has got them right where he wants

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to be, and I feel like

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this New York City courtroom, his

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numbers are going to skyrocket as this case progresses.

7:55

I really think, well, there were a.

7:57

Number of things that he said that weren't

8:00

partisan and were obvious and

8:02

true that are

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just not You can't get around it. For example,

8:07

when he talks about the timing of all this stuff,

8:10

they held all of these cases

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until the election year. Yes, about

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that. What kind of a prosecutor does that?

8:16

This is about justice. If this is about Donald

8:19

Trump breaking laws

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and needs to be held accountable, you bring

8:23

the case as soon as you have the

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case to bring, you don't sit around and

8:27

wait for an election year. They didn't

8:30

do this because it has anything to do with

8:32

justice under the law. They did this

8:34

to stop Trump from being president. It

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couldn't be more obvious,

8:39

and that I think is

8:41

going to be a huge problem for them

8:43

as there's continued focus meaning for the

8:46

anti Trump you know, resistance

8:48

or whatever you want to call them, the leftist commie

8:50

lunatics, because there's no good answer

8:52

to that, because we all know it couldn't be any more

8:54

clear why they held all of

8:57

this, and I think

8:59

that the fact that the number for Trump are as strong

9:01

as they are right now, I wouldn't assume

9:03

the Democrats have some big plan

9:05

other than all they can do is double and triple

9:07

down on this, because this is all they've got.

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And this is really important.

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And I'm gonna play this audio clip for you.

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You all are well

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informed about the arguments

9:19

that the left makes against

9:21

the arguments that the right makes. We

9:23

play them all the time on this show for you

9:26

so you are aware of what they're saying.

9:29

The left has no idea what we say on

9:31

this program, utterly

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no idea. They are completely

9:37

bereft of understanding the

9:39

other side because their

9:41

echo chamber doesn't ever

9:44

penetrate into arguments on the

9:46

right because they find those arguments

9:48

to be so chilling and

9:50

so terrifying that they really won't

9:52

even talk about them, the platforming itself.

9:55

They won't allow. We have to let

9:57

you all hear this. Yes, it's great.

9:59

It's as though we've taken

10:02

a peep hole to

10:05

the darkest corner of the insane asylum

10:08

here over at MSNBC and can just kind

10:10

of look in and see what's going on.

10:12

And wow, it is terrifying.

10:14

This guy was a New

10:16

York assistant, a

10:19

New York attorney general. Yeah, judge

10:21

general, and here he is.

10:25

Living.

10:25

I mean, I really mean this, he's living in an

10:27

alternate reality. Listen to what he this guy's

10:30

saying. This is in response to Trump only

10:32

having to pay what one hundred and seventy

10:35

five forty

10:38

million? I mean, this is just listen to this.

10:40

Honestly, this is so infuriating. I don't

10:42

even know what to do. I don't even know if I care.

10:45

What the process is that these judges

10:47

are arriving at whatever it is.

10:48

It's flawn, I can tell you that much.

10:50

I mean, David put.

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It well, it's this is a different process for

10:54

this person. We have decided that he gets his own

10:57

private.

10:57

Court of justice.

10:58

He has a private plane, he has a he

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has private clubs that he lives in, you know,

11:02

apparently, you know, he basically fashioned

11:05

himself his own private militia to try to take.

11:07

Over the capitol.

11:08

You know, now he's getting his own private

11:10

system of justice. This is an absolute travesty.

11:12

It would not happen for anybody else, anybody

11:15

else. It would be like, sorry, buddy, you lost, pay

11:17

up for him.

11:18

He gets his own set of rules.

11:20

Legally, Tristan, how is

11:22

that done?

11:23

We just saw it.

11:24

They just decided that. They just you know,

11:26

the appellate court has now just decided they're going

11:28

to swoop in and just change it.

11:30

And that's it.

11:32

But what he's saying

11:34

isn't even wrong. It's so crazy,

11:37

like it's it's as though he's speaking

11:39

in a different language or something. It makes

11:41

no sense at all. But

11:44

this is this is the the essence of it.

11:46

Play for people who

11:48

are who are truly

11:51

the the heart and soul of the anti

11:53

Trump resistance. This is a

11:55

this is a mental health issue. I mean they are

11:58

they're disconnected from real and

12:01

display a rage and

12:03

delusional tendencies that requires

12:06

this kind needs psychiatric help. Or he's

12:08

just playing a role on TV. But I

12:10

don't think so. I think he actually is just nuts.

12:13

Yeah, he was reacting in real

12:15

time to breaking news like I

12:17

went on some of you may have seen me with Harris

12:19

Faulkner.

12:20

I was scheduled to be a guest.

12:21

This court ruling comes down, and

12:24

I talk about the court ruling

12:26

that just came down breaking news. As you here with

12:28

us all the times there's news.

12:30

We might think we're going to talk about one subject, we

12:32

end up talking about another. The reason why

12:34

I think it's significant is one you can often

12:36

tell what people's true

12:39

thoughts are in real time, as opposed

12:41

to when they sit around and they take notes and they're

12:43

prepared for what they're going to say on television.

12:46

This guy's having an on air meltdown on

12:48

MSNBC when the verdict

12:52

bond is reduced from four hundred and

12:54

fifty four million to one hundred and seventy

12:56

five million, Trumpet asked, by the way for

12:58

it to be one hundred million dollars bond. And

13:01

I wonder on some level if this

13:03

were rational. You heard Trump mention about it, and we'll

13:05

come back and talk about this a bit more, but you actually

13:08

heard Trump mention settlement, which

13:11

I've not heard him talk about very much. Usually

13:14

there are substantial degrees of conversations

13:17

about settling cases. I don't think

13:19

that Leticia James wants to settle this

13:21

case because it's not about ration irrational

13:24

thought.

13:24

It's about furthering her.

13:27

Entire process of

13:29

having more power. And

13:32

so this case is really just collapsing.

13:35

And it's been a very good day for Trump not

13:37

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13:40

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Welcome back.

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In this clip

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meaned again.

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The the.

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Bond that's being required to put forward by

15:03

Trump, four hundred and fifty four

15:06

million, was what Judge Ergeron

15:08

and I may be mastering his name there, but

15:10

Letitia James the case that she brought. He

15:12

was requiring four hundred and fifty four

15:15

million in bond. He truly did hate Trump.

15:17

Now the appeals court has reduced it to one

15:19

hundred and seventy five million dollars.

15:22

We were just playing Trump on the courthouse steps

15:25

outside. Listen to this

15:27

as Trump is asked how he will

15:29

be paying the bond. It's going to become

15:32

very memed if it hasn't

15:34

already, it's going to be everywhere online.

15:36

Listen.

15:42

So we had that maybe let me play it one more

15:44

time because it's a screen question. They say, what's

15:47

your collateral for the bond? This is

15:49

the one hundred and seventy five million, Trump

15:52

says cash, and then you

15:54

can hear somebody else say ooh in

15:56

the background in the media scrum.

15:58

Listen, Trump

16:06

less a moment.

16:09

Look at the the the the bravado and

16:11

the showmanship that allowed

16:13

Trump to even win the well, a lot of things

16:15

to become. At one point, was

16:18

was The Apprentice the most popular show on network

16:20

TV?

16:20

I think it was, Wasn't it way up there?

16:23

I think it probably depends on how it's how it's

16:25

quantified. You know, they slice and dice

16:27

that so many different ways, at least some me categorization.

16:29

Yes, yeah, but it's The Apprentice

16:32

was a wild success on television. Donald

16:34

Trump decades of building the Trump brand,

16:36

all of this, and you see why here in

16:38

this moment, and it gives

16:41

it, first of all, that's just Trump being Trump,

16:43

but also it gives a little signal

16:45

to all of the supporters, they're

16:48

not going to break it, like he's going to fight through

16:50

this. And it's

16:53

remarkable that he is in this way. I mean,

16:55

it's it's he told us, remember Clay

16:58

at mar A Lago, I'm built different. That was that

17:00

was what he said, and I think it's very clearly true.

17:03

And in this instance we can see, given all

17:05

that he's facing, all that he's going through, still

17:09

he still kind of has a happy warrior

17:11

attitude about the fight ahead, which is insane,

17:14

I mean in the best way. But it's just remarkable.

17:17

What's really remarkable is Trump

17:20

doesn't look any different now than he did

17:22

when he came down the stairs in twenty fifteen.

17:25

And the reason why I raise that is

17:27

one, he's seventy seven years old. But it doesn't

17:29

register with most

17:32

voters that he's that close in age

17:34

to Biden, because they've obviously aged very different.

17:37

But also most presidents,

17:39

the presidency ages them tremendously.

17:42

George W.

17:43

Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, they all

17:45

looked very different when they went into office to

17:47

when they came.

17:48

Out, even Joe Biden.

17:49

If you compare Joe Biden in twenty twenty

17:52

to today and just listen to him

17:54

talk and watch him walk. He appears

17:56

a far more decrepit and older man today

17:58

than he did then. Trump basically

18:01

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18:03

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buck Well. The story I don't

19:02

particularly care about in the context

19:04

of Ron McDaniel

19:07

has been hired by NBC

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News to be a political commenter.

19:12

She was with obviously the

19:15

RNC for years and years. But

19:18

I do think this is significant because

19:20

it explains a lot of

19:22

our current media environment. By

19:25

and large, when Fox

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News hires a liberal

19:31

to be a liberal commentator, people

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may roll their eyes at what those

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people say, but there isn't

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an argument that they shouldn't be able

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to make a living doing political

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commentating. And you

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may remember better than me, but Fox News,

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for instance, has who was

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the woman who used

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that was I can't remember her name,

19:56

the black woman who worked on the Biden campaign

19:58

and was like the left wing analyst for Fox

20:01

News during election season. She

20:03

was Hillary Clinton's Donna Brazil. She

20:05

was Hillary Clinton's top advisor

20:07

back in the day. She's been in left wing politics for a

20:10

long time. She's paid by Fox News.

20:12

I don't know if that contract still exists, but it

20:14

did for years, and she was a left

20:16

wing analyst on Fox News is election

20:18

coverage and.

20:19

You do the train once. She was

20:21

actually quite pleasant.

20:23

I've heard that she's very nice and most

20:25

people when you meet him, one on them. She also

20:27

gave Hillary the questions from CNN tho, which was a

20:29

no no, correct, she is a

20:31

left wing operative, but I don't remember.

20:34

You would maybe know better than me.

20:35

Did people throw a fit at

20:37

Fox when they hired a Democrat to

20:39

come on the air and give Democrat talking

20:42

points?

20:43

This is no, of course,

20:45

and it all goes to this

20:48

broader reality of as

20:51

so much. I mean when i'm you know, the Democrats

20:53

Republicans, there are so many different content Democrats and

20:55

Republicans. Elite Democrat

20:58

media is completely dominated,

21:01

and I mean CBS, New York

21:03

Times, CNN, all I mean the big

21:06

name liberal establishment

21:08

flagship news entities

21:11

are dominated by emotionally

21:15

you know, disregulated cry

21:17

babies. These people have

21:19

no You never see them like all right,

21:22

calm down, not a big deal, like we'll handle this, we'll

21:24

take it.

21:24

So always like the end of the republic, the end

21:26

of the Republic.

21:27

I mean, they really the lack,

21:30

particularly in the men over these places. The

21:32

lack of testosterone of any

21:34

kind is stunning. It's like

21:36

everyone is just swimming in a sea of estrogen

21:39

over there all the time. Everyone's like tears

21:41

and crying and freaking out about Trump.

21:44

So they brought on it. First of all, it's not

21:46

I'm just gonna be honest, that's my point. It's

21:48

not like she's she's not particularly right

21:51

wing. She's not particularly formidable

21:53

as a debater. She's not particularly compelling,

21:55

which is why they hired her.

21:58

This is, you know, could you imagine, like, look,

22:00

Jim Jordan sat down with Leslie Stall, you're not talking

22:03

about this in the sixty sixty minutes interview about

22:05

disinformation, and I

22:07

shared it on I don't know if Clay has shared it on X.

22:09

I shared it, shared your share.

22:11

Okay, thank you appreciate that because

22:14

you watch this thing and you're like,

22:16

sixty minutes is completely

22:18

out of its mind. Could you imagine if you and I sat there

22:20

with Now they did give Jim Jordan, but they cut

22:23

in and out of the interview, so you're never able.

22:25

Could you imagine if we actually were able to sit

22:27

there with Leslie Stall while she's like, but what

22:29

about disinformation. It's like the

22:32

disinformation police the

22:35

first time that we saw them really doing their

22:37

thing on COVID.

22:38

We're wrong.

22:40

Yeah, that's the part of it that we'd never even

22:42

get to like these people are and Clay,

22:45

she's acting like she's

22:47

doing some great service for you know,

22:49

the American people by being

22:51

pro censorship at a journalistic

22:54

enterprise. This is what I'm saying. Ron

22:56

McDaniel is the most

22:59

milk toast servant or Republican

23:01

you're gonna find. They're freaking out about

23:03

her. She was the RNC chair.

23:05

Who do they don't they

23:07

get it. The whole game is they have to pretend that they

23:09

allow Republicans to have a voice there.

23:10

That's the game.

23:12

So I want to play the audio because

23:15

again I think it's important to understand

23:17

what's being said and what this really

23:20

is about is the left in

23:22

this country has bought into the idea

23:24

that you can't platform. That's their

23:26

word, you can't platform somebody you disagree

23:29

with. To Buck's point, if Leslie

23:31

Stall set down, first of all, I'd want to record

23:33

the entire interview and I would post the whole thing.

23:35

But if she sat down and she said, remember Buck,

23:37

when they said that our radio show on

23:39

the New York Times was the number three

23:42

leading purveyor of misinformation during COVID.

23:44

I still demand to recount. You know, Bannon

23:47

was ahead of us. I demanded a disinformation

23:49

recount. I don't know if Bannon beat us on disinformation,

23:52

but maybe.

23:52

But we invited the

23:55

author of that study and

23:58

the author of that piece in the New York Times

24:00

both to come on to our radio

24:03

program and cite and explain

24:05

what we had gotten wrong in

24:07

speaking to all of you.

24:09

And when we get a fact wrong, I think you been

24:11

listening for three years.

24:12

Now, we try to come back and say, hey, you

24:14

know we said X, but

24:17

why is the reality. One of the big challenges

24:19

here in misinformation in general, and disinformation

24:22

and all this clap trap is a

24:24

lot of people don't understand the difference between

24:27

an opinion and a fact. If somebody

24:29

tries to say, hey, water freezes at thirty

24:31

six degrees, I think

24:33

that it's fine for somebody to come out and

24:35

say, actually, water freeze at thirty two degrees.

24:39

But whether a mask worked to

24:41

stop COVID was all just

24:43

an opinion.

24:44

Initially. Now we know by the way it didn't.

24:46

But the idea that you couldn't share an opinion

24:49

that was different than a so called expert

24:51

is where a lot of this got started, especially because

24:53

the and I'm doing quote marks for everybody

24:55

watching on video.

24:56

All the experts were so wrong. But

24:59

just listen to this history.

25:00

Periotic reaction from Chuck Todd,

25:02

who hosts Meet the Press

25:04

over the fact that Ron McDaniel's been hired

25:06

by NBC News and the

25:09

fact that he can't imagine that this could ever

25:11

happen.

25:12

Listen, I think our.

25:13

Boss is owe you an apology for putting you in this situation

25:15

because I don't know what to believe. She is now a paid

25:18

contributor by NBC News. Well, I have no idea

25:20

whether any answer she gave to you was because

25:22

she didn't want to mess up her contract. She

25:24

wants us to believe that she was speaking for the r and C when

25:27

the rn C was paying for She has credibility

25:29

issues that she still has.

25:30

To deal with.

25:31

Is she speaking for herself or she's speaking on behalf

25:33

of who's paying her. And look, there's a reason why

25:35

there's a lot of journalists at NBC News uncomfortable

25:38

with this because many of our professional dealings

25:40

with the RNC over the last six years have been met

25:42

with fast lighting, have been met with character assassination.

25:45

Okay, that's one.

25:46

And then our good friends on Morning Joe,

25:48

who are the chief propagandists.

25:50

Now, before we go more, we just I

25:53

mean you hear Chuck Todd and honestly,

25:55

doesn't it sound like he needs to go have a time

25:57

out in the safe space crying room or something. Yeah,

26:00

I mean, just there's no amount of money you could

26:02

pay me or you to get us to go on TV, and you think and

26:04

she'd be saying the mean things. He's

26:07

such a baby.

26:09

It's I mean, iHeart employs lots

26:11

of people who have said not nice things about

26:13

you and me.

26:14

My Heart is a big company.

26:15

I know this is going to shock some of you out there, but

26:18

iHeart is the biggest audio company, I

26:20

think in the world, and iHeart

26:22

has people who have every opinion

26:24

under the sun on their shows.

26:27

I know, shocking. Some of those people may not.

26:29

Like bucking me and may have even said on their shows

26:32

mean things about bucking me. Do you know how

26:34

much complaining we've done about that?

26:36

Zero? Do you know I actually welcome iHeart

26:38

having.

26:39

Every single political persuasion

26:42

covered under the sun. It's actually what

26:44

a smart network would try to

26:46

do to speak to everyone.

26:47

Right, and you know a big part of this as

26:50

well, and this ties

26:52

it ties into Trump, but this is actually

26:54

one of those things that's bigger than Trump.

26:56

Uh.

26:57

At the same time, Trump has

26:59

been the disruptor of this. But

27:01

they had gotten so used to

27:04

a system in which they were able

27:07

to do this stuff behind closed doors,

27:09

particularly on the social media platforming

27:11

stuff, but also the big journalistic

27:14

enterprises out there. They

27:16

got so used to getting away with this and effectively

27:19

having a total

27:21

editorial control of the news cycle and

27:24

of the information flow that

27:26

they're unsettled by this because

27:29

they can't exist in a world where

27:31

in their own minds, where ideas are

27:34

just able to be shared and made the best ideas

27:36

win. They have to have their thumb

27:38

on the scale. They're to look at Chuck Todd.

27:40

I don't mean to be mean. He is not talented.

27:43

He is not good at anything. He is

27:45

not particularly handsome, he is not particularly

27:48

smart, he is not funny, he is not interesting.

27:51

Why does he have the job because he does

27:53

what his paymasters And I don't

27:55

even know what channel he's on. But on the you

27:57

know what, they talent say they

28:01

do, he does what they tell him. He

28:03

is friends with the executives, he

28:05

has you know, he has kissed up to the right people

28:08

and is held in esteem by the proper journals

28:11

over there. But a lot of these people

28:13

who are elevated to these platforms are

28:15

losers. I'll just say this, you or rived

28:18

total confidence and true. A lot of our friends in conservative

28:20

media as well, we could and have done

28:22

other jobs and would be good.

28:23

At those jobs too.

28:25

A lot of the people that you see at sixty

28:27

minutes and NBC and MSNBC

28:29

and you know whatever, if they don't have

28:32

some system that props them up, they're almost

28:34

like crappy professors with tenure

28:36

who got there because of THEI. Without

28:39

these roles, they got nothing.

28:41

I just can't imagine look Fox News,

28:43

Fox Sports, Uh now

28:45

with iHeart, I can't imagine

28:47

going on the air and saying

28:50

our bosses have failed us by who they hired.

28:53

I like, it's just it's embarrassing

28:56

to me that I would ever be so

28:58

weak as to day that

29:01

person shouldn't be allowed to be hired

29:03

by a company that I work in.

29:05

Or imagine if we call their bosses and we were like,

29:07

oh, this this person you'll hire

29:09

and said mean thinks to me? Are we would

29:11

legitimately truly we would get

29:13

laughed at and we as we should, we would get laughed

29:16

at, like what do you mean? So what so someone said something

29:18

about you you're in the public eye, like you know, a

29:21

man up. It was just crazy And

29:23

by the way, speaking man up, our good friend

29:25

Joe Scarborough, who is

29:28

only proving every single day that his

29:30

gag reflex doesn't work, went

29:32

on and said on Morning Joe,

29:35

I hope NBC will reconsider

29:37

its decision to hire And to your

29:39

point, it's rodih freaking mcdoniel

29:43

McDaniel.

29:44

We had her on this show. She's very fine, she's

29:46

nice.

29:47

Do people in conservative

29:49

politics think it's like they hired

29:52

Steve Bannon, right, And even if they

29:54

did, I'd be fine with that because he was to

29:56

an audience that would wanted

29:58

Ronald McDaniel fi hired.

30:00

If they hired Bennon, it would actually be great

30:02

TV.

30:03

I agree somebody on the

30:05

right, you know, that is the real side

30:07

of the argument. But instead they

30:10

you know, they hire the most

30:12

inoffensive and that's too offensive as

30:14

a republican force, like they wouldn't have us

30:16

on Meet the Press.

30:19

I don't. I mean I I don't

30:21

think they would. I don't have you ever gotten invited on Meet

30:23

the Press?

30:24

No, I was invited and disinvited.

30:26

I don't think I've ever told you this. I was invited when

30:30

I did a sit down with Jeff Sessions and interview

30:32

at the Hill, and I was the first person the Jeff

30:34

Sessions that sat down with in like six months, and

30:36

they were gonna have me on it. And then they disinvited me because

30:41

they figured out who I was. They

30:43

figured out that the buck does not stop.

30:47

All right, let's play.

30:48

So just so wait wait wait wait can we can we when

30:50

we come back? Yeah, we'll hold Joe Scarborough

30:53

until let's do it. We'll play when we come back.

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32:13

Coming up here in just a few moments,

32:15

we're gonna have Jennifer Say with

32:17

us, an author, filmmaker,

32:20

business exec and gymnast, a seven

32:22

time member of the US women's national team working

32:25

on a documentary about school club I mean,

32:27

you know, we respect gymnastics. That's great, but we're

32:29

going to documentary about school closures

32:31

generation COVID. Now we're getting excited.

32:34

And also has a sub stack where she talks

32:36

about capitalism, woe capitalism,

32:38

standing up to group think. We'll get into all of this with

32:41

her in a few minutes. A very impressive

32:43

woman. And we

32:46

have a bunch of emails I believe

32:48

we have here. We go, Uh,

32:50

Kevin in Mississippi a call for us.

32:52

What's up?

32:53

Kevin got a question?

32:55

The timeline was that you guys refer

32:57

to and many of us listeners out here kind of aware

32:59

of about these alleged

33:02

crimes that Trump has been

33:04

accused of and is now being litigated

33:07

for. Is there any article or anyone

33:09

work or publication where someone can

33:11

go and kind of see all that together

33:13

and get the real picture.

33:15

It's a great question, Buck, Where would you so

33:18

I think this goes to bigger picture media.

33:20

I do think this show is your best one stoff

33:22

shop, I really do.

33:23

But I think we're going to give you a

33:25

better sense of what's going on in the court

33:27

cases than almost anyone out there.

33:30

The Wall Street Journal is what I think is probably

33:32

the most trustworthy mainstream

33:35

media outlet in terms of

33:37

written content. There's

33:39

certainly a lot of places out there that will cover

33:42

this. I think it's important to read widely.

33:44

So I want to know what the New York Times is saying about

33:46

the case. I want to know what the Wall Street Journal

33:49

is saying. I want to know what Andy McCarthy is going to say.

33:52

But I would suggest the Wall Street Journal, and

33:54

my experience from a written perspective,

33:58

is the most reliable written

34:01

daily journalistic

34:04

outlet covering this the

34:06

most fairly of all of them.

34:07

So yeah, thank you very much for calling

34:10

in. Got an email here, Clay,

34:12

You're gonna have to play love doctor slash sports analysts.

34:14

You're ready for this. This is gonna we're going to test your skills

34:16

here. My friend Phil, one

34:19

of our VIPs. Go to clayanbuck dot com, sign

34:21

up for that email addressing, and become a VIP I'm

34:24

in kind of the Buck moll. As far as sports

34:26

go, my quandary has been that my new

34:29

lady friend is obsessive about

34:32

NCAA basketball. Her big favorites

34:34

Northwestern, Illinois, Michigan,

34:37

and Michigan State. That's a lot of teams.

34:40

For the first time in my life. I've been looking at the

34:42

brackets. He put it in quotes, I love it

34:44

and trying to make some sense of it. Philip, Phil and I would

34:46

hang out. Phil and I are buddies.

34:48

She says.

34:48

She goes into a minor depression the day after

34:51

the championship game, but soon recovers

34:53

and marks the calendar and counts the days

34:55

for the beginning of the new season in November. So,

34:58

Clay, I need some advice on

35:00

making this relationship work out for the best.

35:03

She's in the Midwest. I'm on the West coast. Clay

35:05

and Buck, I need your help. I'm gonna I'm gonna put

35:07

this to love, Doctor Travis.

35:08

Go for it. Okay.

35:09

So Northwestern is eliminated,

35:11

Michigan State is eliminated. There were

35:13

a lot of teams. Michigan did not make

35:16

the tournament. Illinois is still alive.

35:18

I think I got that right, So

35:20

you are dating her, Illinois is

35:22

going to play if you really

35:25

want to impress her. And by

35:27

the way, this would go for women also,

35:30

people who are not sports fans. Illinois

35:33

is set to play. Let me get this right, is

35:36

gonna tip off at ten pm

35:38

on Thursday, late night game

35:41

better for her. I think she was on the West

35:43

coast. Illinois is playing Iowa

35:45

State. If I were

35:48

you, they're the only teams

35:50

still alive in the in the bracket that she follows.

35:53

Credit to you for knowing all four. I

35:55

would go today and buy her some Alionai

35:58

gear brand new, some.

36:00

Cool from you. Get it shipped

36:02

to her.

36:03

Say you are following the tournament because

36:05

you like her so much. Go fighting

36:07

a Lion, I sign your name fifty

36:10

one hundred buck investment shows

36:13

up at her house or someone

36:15

who loves sports that is better

36:17

than a rose is. You are gonna have

36:19

made a golden move. Now she doesn't

36:21

listen, Hopefully she doesn't because

36:24

you want to take credit for this. You don't want some

36:26

stupid guy on the radio being smart enough

36:29

to think for you to do this. By the way, that goes

36:31

for anybody out there that's got a significant

36:33

other that has a team alive, surprise

36:35

them with some gear, Show that you care,

36:37

show that you're paying attention. That's my advice

36:39

for you, Jennifer, see when we come

36:42

back. This is a super great story. Buck laid

36:44

it out. You guys are gonna love it.