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Welcome to today's edition of the

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Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show podcast.

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Third hour of Clay and Buck kicks off.

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Now we're joined by Jennifer Say. She's an

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author, filmmaker, business executive.

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Seven time member of the US

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women's national gymnastics team and

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was the nineteen eighty six US Women's

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All Around National Gymnastics champion. Wow.

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Working on a documentary about the harms caused

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by prolonged COVID school

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closures called Generation COVID.

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Thetrailers up at clayanbuck dot com.

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She's also got a substack Say Everything and

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her brand. Rather, she has a

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brand that launches today called xx

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x y Athletics. Jennifer quite

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a CV. Thanks for being with us.

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Thanks thanks for having me. I'm excited

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to be here. We just launched today a few hours

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ago.

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Well, we're gonna be checking out the clothing for sure, But but

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first off, can you just tell everybody a little bit

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of a little bit of your journey.

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Some might even say your red pilling, if

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you will. You were at Levi's,

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the Gens company for twenty years, and

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then you realized what that

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Fauci was out of his mind and school

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closures were horrible what happened.

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Yeah, well I lived in San Francisco at

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the time, so you know, I'll let you figure

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out what that means. And i'd been a lifelong

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lefty, but literally the day

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lockdowns happened, even before they happened,

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when you know, the city was just winding up

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to lockdowns and school closures, my husband

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and I were both like, yeah, no, this

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is not good.

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This is not a good idea.

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This is.

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It's bad for kids, it's bad for business

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owners, it's bad for human beings. It's

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a terrible violation of our civil liberties.

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I mean, like, we didn't have one second where

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we thought, oh my goodness,

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we're really scared, we're just gonna stay home forever. Not

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one second. And so we were

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really outspoken from the very beginning. And

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as you might imagine, San Francisco did

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not like that. And the

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citizens, my friends, the community, they

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absolutely came after me. But I

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was really persistent, and I just couldn't

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believe what was happening. You know, the

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left. I thought you could mock me for this if

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you like, but I believe what

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they said. You know that they cared about kids

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and lower income folks and

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all the people that these lockdowns were

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destroying. As my friend

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Jay Bodicharia says, it was

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trickle down epidemiology, and it was

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just wrong from the outset, and I

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was really outspoken about it, and people didn't like it,

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and I just decided

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to move on. Two

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years into that, I decided to move on. I moved my

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family to Denver so my kids could go to school,

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started making this documentary, and

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I get to say whatever I want

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whenever I want.

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All right, Jennifer, you and I have met in person.

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I'm excited about the launch of your new company,

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but I want to kind of go back to your

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political evolution because some part of it mirror's

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mine, and I think actually a mir There is

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a lot of the people who listen now, so

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let me start with this question. If COVID

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hadn't happened, do you think

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you would have ended up being the CEO of

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Levi Strauss, this huge global

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apparel company. That's the track you were

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on. That's part one and part two of this question.

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COVID, I think accelerated the thought process

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of a lot of people who maybe had seen identity politics

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and didn't like the way it was going. Maybe

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had seen cancel culture and didn't like the

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idea that like whatever you did. The old school

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liberal concept was, you know, the cure

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for speech you don't like is more speech. We should

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have a huge, robust marketplace of ideas, we all

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argue and then the best ideas win. So

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kind of that that transition in that political

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evolution or just thought evolution. If you don't,

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I know a lot of people don't necessarily even feel comfortable

3:46

still attaching themselves to one political party

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or another after they've been They fill

3:51

so disrespected and left

3:53

on the with the wayside by people

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in positions of power.

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So kind of take people out.

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There who may not be famili You're with your

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life process, how you ended up, and

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where that led you to start this

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new apparel company yourself.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely. I worked at Levi's

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twenty three years. I love the brand. I

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wear it most days still. I probably

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have one hundred pairs of fiber ones in my

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closet. I think they're the best jeans in the

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world. I was so excited

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at twenty nine to get the chance to

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work there as an entry level marketing assistant.

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You know, I tell the story quite often

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as an elite gymnast as a child, I got to

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travel to Moscow for the first

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ever Goodwill Games. I don't even know if they still

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exist, do you know, I'm not sure. But

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it was like a rogue Olympic style competition.

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It was in Moscow in nineteen eighty

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six, and I was

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told, if you want to trade with

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the Russian athletes leotards, you know,

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sweats pins, which they were the best in the world,

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bring Levi's fible ones.

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And I did.

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I brought ten very tiny pairs of Levi's

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fible ones and I traded for leotard's

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and suits from they weren't called jacksuits

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then with the best gymnasts in the world.

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So you know, I had loved this brand for a long time.

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I loved working there for twenty three years. And

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what I've been the CEO, I mean,

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it's hard, it's hard to say, you know. I

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was the brand president, certainly a

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seat that could lead, it

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could lead to the CEO to

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the CEO job, but I resigned.

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My my understanding is part of your story is that

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the company and also some of your colleagues,

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and this is not surprised to anybody who lived

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through COVID, but they turned

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against you for asking questions and

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what I think is interesting, Well, many things

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are interesting about it. But did

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any of them ever come out afterwards after

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all this happened, and say, for example,

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we now know that school closures were nothing

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but downside did the whole thing was absolutely

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moronic. It didn't save anyone, It didn't

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do anything good. It did a lot of

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bad things that hurt children's learning and made

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life a lot more difficult for parents. But has

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anyone come out and said, Wow, you were right. I'm just

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I'm always curious about that, Like, look, we're all supposed

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to forget that the lib fascists just got away

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with all this stuff.

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You know, Look, I'll answer that slightly

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more broadly. I

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lost most of my friends I

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have. There are members of my family

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at this point that I still am not speaking

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with. They're not speaking with me because of the stance

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I took. It was, you

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know, to kind of go back to your earlier question,

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you know, the red pill moment. For me, it

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was such a violation of everything

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I always believed that the Left had stood

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for, stand up for the downtrodden,

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believe in free speech. The only

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thing that is a cure to

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you know, bad speech. To your point, whatever bad

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speech is, I think it's all good is more

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speech. That's how the truth gets out. You cannot

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seek truth without open debate

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and descent everything

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that I believed in. I mean, I would even go down

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to, you know, protecting the little guy from big corporate

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interests. Think about that, Think about

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that. How that went during COVID. I

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mean, the little guy was completely quashed

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by big pharma interests.

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The little guy, every guy, we all were,

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And so I just it was such

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a violation of everything I believed

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in. And I wouldn't say I identify with the right

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at this point either. I don't want to belong to any party.

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I want to think what I think, and there's so much polarization

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and you cannot veer one

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iota from the platform and the beliefs

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or the stated ideological positions

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of either party, and I don't want anything to do with that.

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So I'm just gonna be by myself over

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here and think what I think

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and say what I say. That's how it's going to be for me.

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But you know, to kind of come back to your question,

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no has anybody apologized for anything. No

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one has not. Friends

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that aren't speaking to me, not my community

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which I lost in San Francisco. Not the

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people who look at the New

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York Times. My god,

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I mean the headlines in the New York Times

7:58

at this point are saying, you know, the school

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closures were a generational catastrophe,

8:03

and they acknowledge nothing as

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far as their contribution to that. They

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furthered fear, they let the science

8:10

reporter a Porva state

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lies repeatedly about how dangerous

8:15

this was for children. There's no apology,

8:17

there's no miacopa. So

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no, you know, I haven't experienced

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apologies. I've experienced a lot of

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and this is not one on one, but like in

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the press, and I'm sure you've seen it too well.

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We might have been wrong, but we did it for the right

8:33

reasons. You might have been right, but

8:35

you did it for the wrong reason. So you're still

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a bad person, alright, QAnon weirdo,

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and you still deserve to be, you know, pushed

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off to the side.

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Which leads me to why.

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I wanted to start my own brand. And I know

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we'll get to that in a second.

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Yeah, No, i' just what I want to ask you about next. So

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you are an elite women's athlete. You did

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a documentary. I believe because

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my wife watched it. She's

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a big fan of and

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she was also a gymnast. The Michigan State

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ridiculousness that all happened there. But

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when you see men who

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are bigger, stronger and faster than women

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you're partnering with intentionally. Riley

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Gaines, who works it out kick and had to swim against

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Lea Thomas, a man pretending to be a woman for

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purposes of women's athletics.

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Paula Scanlin, who was one of Lea

9:26

Thomas's teammates

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at Penn and was basically

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told, don't speak up about this or there

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will be significant consequences, and

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it's intentional. Your new brand is xxx

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Y. There are men, there are women, and

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there is a difference between the two. Would

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you have ever believed that that would become

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something that would need to be argued, or

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that women would be advocating

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in many ways for the erasure of in

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women's athletics in favor of men pretending

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to be women.

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No, I mean, to my mind, it's such a sexist,

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misogynistic position, and I certainly,

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well five years ago, I certainly wouldn't have

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thought this is the position that the left

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would have taken. Two years ago, I would

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have thought that this is the position the left

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would have taken. But I mean, Ruth

10:11

Bader Ginsburg herself said,

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the physical differences between men and women

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are enduring. They are not

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fungible. I mean, isn't

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she a hero of the left?

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She said it.

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I mean, but it doesn't matter. They're telling women

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to sit down, be quiet, and

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make way for the feelings, wants,

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and desires of biological males.

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Well, I'm not doing it. I'm not afraid

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of the names that you will call me, and neither is Riley,

10:36

and neither is Paula. Once you've been through it, you don't

10:38

care anymore. You know this, and

10:41

so call me what you want. Most

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Americans, the vast majority of Americans,

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agree with us that we need to protect

10:47

women's sports. It doesn't mean that we can't be inclusive

10:50

and everyone doesn't have a chance to play. There's solutions

10:52

for that. I'm not here to make recommendations

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as to what the solutions are. I'm here to advocate

10:57

for women, and I want to let them know if

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they stand with us, they will not be alone

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because so many people agree, and they're too

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afraid to say anything because they're afraid of the names

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they'll be called, and so they're forsaking women

11:08

in the process.

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I we go, I've got to go get my

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you know, my wife actually does work out a lot. I

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need to get there a lot more, but for athletic

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attire for her. For example, where

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do people go for your new line? Where can they get

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this stuff?

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Yeah?

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The easiest way to find it

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if you go to the truthfit dot

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com. Sort of a vanity you are l

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you can.

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Is great ur l the truth fits dot

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com.

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I will mention both Buck and I have

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wives who are far more athletic and in far better

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shape than either of us. By the way,

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that's not that high of a standard, Jennifer, but trust

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me, Carrie, his wife and my wife Laura both in great

11:42

shape. You sent some gear. My wife

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was wearing it yesterday. She said it's fantastic.

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So thank you for sending it to the Travis

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household. The truth fits dot com

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is the website. And if you're maybe

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the last question for you, Jennifer. A

11:56

lot of women, I feel like moms

11:58

in particular, are still angry over what

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happened with COVID, and they might be like you,

12:02

or they don't really feel like they have a political

12:05

home, and they may be angry about

12:07

this. Women's men deciding they're

12:09

identifying as women taking over for women, I

12:12

think with your company.

12:13

But how important is it for women to.

12:15

Speak out themselves as opposed to

12:17

being afraid of being considered too

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mean or not inclusive enough.

12:21

I think it's really important Riley Paula,

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You other women out there actually

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stand up. It's one thing for men like me and Buck to

12:28

have opinions, but I think women speaking

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out for women is far more powerful.

12:32

How important is that to you and

12:34

for other women.

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To be doing It's incredibly important.

12:37

You cannot fear what you will be called. What

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I know, it's scary to stand up and

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to stand apart, but you won't be alone. You've

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got us, You've got a lot of other women.

12:47

We're the majority not

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doing it. To my mind, not

12:52

standing up and saying true things is

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so much scarier because now we live

12:57

in lies. We can't allow that to happen. You're

12:59

putting your daughter's future at risk. Don't

13:01

you want your daughter to have the same opportunities

13:03

that you had because of Title nine? You

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better stand up, and you better defend it now

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or she's going to lose that chance.

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Jennifer say thank you so much for being with us

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Thanks for having me.

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Clay

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Hey Buck same one doesn't matter.

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come. You know, we're just talking to Jennifer. I

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do think is emblematic of the new

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era. And that is

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for those of you out there listening. It's

15:10

one thing to be upset and

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to complain about the existing

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structure that is clearly

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aligned in a way that

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disfavors anybody who is going to

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vote for Donald Trump or president

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in twenty twenty four, when it comes

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to media when it comes

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to the way that ad dollars

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get spent. The way to

15:32

respond to that, though, is not to

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sit around and be constantly

15:37

angry about it. In my opinion, it's

15:39

to take action. And Jennifer

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has done it. We did it a while

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back without kick. Trump is

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doing it on a level that has

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so far not happened to my knowledge

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It is going to become dj in

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reportedly this week and

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start to trade on the

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stock market.

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It will then.

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Have Trump will over three

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billion dollars in assets

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uh in this company his stock value.

16:33

But right now that company

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standing.

16:36

Alone is up massively

16:38

today, I think as a positive

16:41

probably if you're trying to peg this to the

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news on the appeals decision

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not to require a four hundred and fifty

16:48

million dollar bond, which

16:51

means Trump may not need to touch

16:53

any of his holdings in this company.

16:55

Trump has set himself that he's going to pay

16:57

this in cash. But the

17:00

stock right now, literally as

17:02

we are speaking to

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you is up thirty one

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we will see what happens when it actually goes

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Now, there's a lot of different

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invest your money. I

17:24

always say just buy SMP five hundred index

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earlier in the show is a lot of

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diehard Trump supporters are deciding to

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show that they are big supporters of Trump by buying

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the stock.

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This is We've already gotten some emails from VIPs

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I should note who are saying that's exactly

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what they're going to do. And

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you know, that's something that I'm in general,

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whether it's you know, the toothbrush

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it is that you have, you want

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to do it from a company that aligns with your values

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zero say Clay and Buck, welcome

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back in to play and Buck

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and.

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We had mentioned this.

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I want to make sure we never tell you, oh,

19:11

we're gonna play this clip, but then we just get too excited

19:13

about whatever we're discussing and

19:15

we forget to, you know, answer

19:17

the mail. So to speak or we forget to follow

19:21

through on the promise. So they

19:23

have freaked out over at NBC

19:27

over the hiring of Ronald

19:30

McDaniel, and I believe this is Ronald McDaniel

19:32

Romney, right. This is maybe a teaching

19:34

moment as well, where you can remember

19:36

that Mitt Romney, who is now

19:39

a what would

19:41

we say and never Trump Republican

19:44

if there really is such a thing, considering Trump is

19:46

the de fact the leader of the Republican

19:48

Party, but he's a never Trump Republican. They

19:51

said when he was running against Obama in twenty twelve,

19:53

the mid Romney was a high

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school bullied dog abuser who gave

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people cancer, while he's their retirement

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plants so we could build many houses. I mean, that's

20:02

basically what they said about Mitt Romney

20:05

and Mitt you know, never

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really got mad at them, but certainly got very angry

20:10

at Donald Trump and all that. So

20:13

they'll say this about anyone. But it's fascinating

20:15

that if you're trying to find the

20:19

least controversial

20:22

and I think some might

20:24

argue least effective pugilists

20:28

to put on TV for the Republican side of

20:30

things, Ronald McDaniel would be high

20:33

on that list Joe Scarborough and Mika

20:35

Brzynski, who are

20:37

are spiraling further and further into

20:39

looney Tune's land on their show in the

20:41

Morning. I'm at the point where, well,

20:43

I don't do you know anybody who watches

20:46

Morning Joe? I know there are people watching, I mean, do

20:48

you know anyone personally? I'm at the point where I

20:50

need to start finding some libs

20:53

to have as a

20:56

test case for me.

20:56

They can tell me what's going on because to Fox

20:59

and Friends Domin, but it

21:01

is I think the New York New York

21:03

City Morning Show.

21:04

If you are a left winger.

21:07

Yeah, I cannot

21:09

imagine how people Well,

21:11

then again, it's all crazy to me. Joe

21:14

and Mika freaking out about NBC

21:16

hiring Roni McDaniel. Here it is play seven.

21:18

We learned about the hiring when we read about

21:20

it in the press on Friday. We weren't

21:22

asked our opinion of the hiring, but if we were,

21:24

we would have strongly obchecked to it for several

21:27

reasons, including, but not limited

21:29

too, as lawyers might say, Miss McDaniel's

21:32

role in Donald Trump's fake elector scheme

21:34

and her pressuring election officials

21:36

to not certify election

21:38

results while Donald Trump was

21:41

on the phone.

21:41

To be clear, we believe NBC

21:43

News should seek out conservative

21:46

Republican voices to provide balance

21:48

in their election coverage, but it should be

21:50

conservative Republicans, not a person

21:53

who used her position of power

21:55

to be an anti democracy election

21:58

denier. And we hope and BE will

22:00

reconsider its decision.

22:02

It would be amazing, Clay, if we

22:04

could. I just would love it if we could sit

22:06

on that set. I would want to know what

22:09

conservative Republican would

22:12

be acceptable to Joe and

22:14

Mika in this election cycle.

22:17

I can guarantee you the only

22:19

ones who would be acceptable all would

22:22

be opposed to Donald Trump.

22:25

Isn't that remarkable? So the

22:27

Republican nominee, the

22:29

Republican nominee, you are

22:32

unacceptable to NBC and

22:34

to MSNBC, according to some of these

22:36

hosts if you support the Republican

22:39

nominee. But we'll find other good Republicans

22:41

who will come. They're idiots. I mean, these people are

22:43

honestly just not very bright. It's amazing they've

22:45

made as much money as they have on their names,

22:47

and you know the nonsense, especially with Mica.

22:51

But this is just an untenable position that

22:53

they hold.

22:54

Well, not only that.

22:57

Again, I just come back to you

22:59

were in similar jobs,

23:02

right. We work at iHeart with this radio

23:04

show. iHeart is the biggest audio

23:06

company in America. Can

23:09

you imagine if we came on

23:11

our show at the start of the

23:13

show and said we

23:16

wish iHeart would reconsider

23:18

the decision they've made to allow someone

23:21

else out there to have

23:23

their voice spread on an audio

23:26

platform.

23:27

I just I can't that's what they're like.

23:30

They need to fire someone because

23:32

I don't like what they might say. I

23:34

can't imagine saying it on Fox News.

23:37

I can't imagine saying it on Fox Sports.

23:39

I can't imagine saying it on Clay

23:41

and Buck. There is a

23:44

huge range of people that should

23:46

be employed in the media ecosystem,

23:49

and the best man or the best woman should

23:51

win.

23:52

I don't think I've.

23:53

Ever said that

23:55

any place that I work, even

23:58

privately, shouldn't have someone

24:00

employed on air.

24:03

Now, maybe if I think they're not talented,

24:06

but not just based on what their opinions would

24:08

say. And look, I've hired a lot of people at OutKick,

24:11

so I give a lot of opinions over the years.

24:13

Yeah this guy is good, Yeah this girl is good.

24:16

Nah, I don't think their contents that good. I

24:18

don't think they'd be a great fit. Like, that's

24:20

the job when you run a media company. So I've

24:22

made these decisions. But I

24:24

would be like, if you're the executive

24:27

and your talent is saying you shouldn't

24:29

be able to hire this person to talk on the air,

24:31

I'm like.

24:32

Who do you think you are?

24:33

Like, why should you get to dictate the entire

24:35

hiring decisions of a network.

24:38

It's a level of arrogance that, frankly,

24:40

I like it kind of boggles my mind

24:42

that this would be normalized and considered acceptable.

24:46

Well, it's funny because I could sit here and put together

24:48

a team of left wing television

24:50

personalities, all of whom

24:52

are good representatives

24:55

of their side's point of view.

24:57

Again, put aside whether I disagree

25:00

with it or I think it's absurd or not very

25:02

easily. I think that for Democrats

25:05

now, they can't even they can't even

25:07

do that. They've created this other

25:10

universe in which the only real

25:12

Republicans are the Republicans

25:15

who only criticize Republicans and want

25:17

Democrats to win, kind of like the Lincoln Project,

25:19

right, Like these these jokes, these frauds

25:22

that exist within the movement, who

25:26

are are their entire existence

25:28

going on CNN, MSNBC And everyone knows

25:30

this, by the way, in the news industry,

25:33

they're only there to spit

25:35

on their own side for the amusement of Democrats.

25:38

I couldn't find anything more

25:40

debasing and degrading as

25:43

a pundit than that. But there are people that

25:45

is what they do. They do it at MSNBC, they

25:47

do it at CNN, they do it at other places.

25:49

And you started to see those people pivot

25:51

when they thought trump Meal ticket was going to

25:53

be over, to start to say, you know, Ron

25:55

DeSantis actually worse than Trump, like

25:58

this idea that suddenly the Lincoln Project

26:01

is going to not exist because they're

26:03

gonna love the Republican nominee. It

26:06

doesn't exist if Ron de Santis

26:08

had been the nominee for

26:10

the Republican Party.

26:11

And you started to see this after his big win.

26:13

In Florida, They're started

26:16

to suddenly be all these articles written about,

26:18

well, you know, even if Trump's

26:20

gone, Ron DeSantis is the scarier

26:22

version of Trump, and

26:25

they are going to continue because

26:27

they've made their choice that Trump

26:30

is an existential threat to democracy.

26:33

But if Trump is gone.

26:34

If Trump unfortunately, let's say that Trump

26:36

had a medical condition tomorrow and

26:39

wasn't able to do the job of being

26:41

the nominee, and let's say Ron de Santis

26:43

got elevated and he was the nominee. The same

26:46

people saying that Trump is hitler

26:48

would soon be arguing Rond

26:50

de Santis is hitler too, and in many ways he's

26:52

worse than Trump. And let me explain why you

26:55

would see those stories everywhere. And

26:57

so this idea again, I just think it's funny because

26:59

Ron McDaniel, when we would have her

27:02

on this show, and I think we certainly

27:04

should, she's the RNC head.

27:06

We had her on the show.

27:06

A bunch of times, people would get mad

27:09

at us on this show correct

27:11

for having her on, because she wasn't right wing

27:13

enough. So the idea that MSNBC

27:16

would be like, oh my goodness, this

27:18

is to your point, like, what is

27:20

the acceptable bound of right

27:23

leaning opinion that they will even

27:26

countenance at that network.

27:28

Now, when was the last time you

27:30

saw somebody who anyone in

27:33

the movement would

27:35

could truly be conned. Not only do they call

27:37

themselves right wing, but the right

27:39

wing in this country agrees with that

27:41

designation. When was the last time you saw

27:44

somebody like that on any of the

27:46

on any of the Sunday political shows

27:48

on air at CNN, or they

27:51

won't even do it. They honestly,

27:54

I start to think at one point this

27:56

was more about they were trying to

27:58

control the narrative. Now I really just think they

28:00

don't even know what we think too. They've created

28:03

such a caricature that they don't

28:05

know. Like they would sit down with someone like you or

28:07

me and they'd want to, you know, they'd want

28:09

to like make fun of our schools or whatever, and they'd

28:11

be like, well, that's probably not going to work so well. And then,

28:13

you know, want to make fun of our knowledge and that

28:15

wouldn't work so well. But they don't know

28:18

what we think. They have no idea.

28:20

And that's why I think you get We

28:23

talked about this right after it happened. That's why Gavin

28:25

Newsom got absolutely

28:27

obliterated by Ron DeSantis, because

28:30

Left ideas are very flabby,

28:33

because they're not in shape. They aren't actually

28:35

having to hone their arguments because

28:38

they have such a rigged jury in their favor

28:41

that they don't even know.

28:42

And that's why I thought Jennifer is. Jennifer

28:44

is so emblematic.

28:45

I think of a lot of people Jennifer

28:47

say, who we had on at the

28:49

top of this hour, and I encourage you guys to go listen to

28:51

them. And that's why I'm always thinking. There's always

28:53

an idea like who in your mind listens

28:56

to this show, or who watches any clip

28:58

or whatever else, for better or worse.

29:00

I'm always thinking that people

29:02

are listening willing to change their

29:05

minds about a subject. And

29:07

there's different ways that people talk. And I

29:09

understand some people are like, oh,

29:11

I only want to preach to the choir. I

29:14

only want to talk to people who grew with me one hundred percent. I'm

29:16

always in my mind thinking, because

29:18

I'm open minded, like this, if you could make

29:20

an argument that I'm wrong, and

29:23

I think a lot of you started listening are

29:25

related to COVID because.

29:26

You're not even that political.

29:28

I think a lot of moms are out there listening right now because

29:30

you're still so angry over what you saw. You're

29:33

willing to be persuaded. Now, there's lots of

29:35

people that are not willing to be persuaded. I understand

29:37

that. I think forty percent of America is

29:39

willing to be persuaded, and

29:42

that, to me is the audience

29:44

that I think we're talking to every day to a large

29:47

extent, because that's how you win. And

29:49

I think Jennifer represents that. And

29:53

I think the left has no idea how to win

29:55

arguments because they don't really

29:57

even know what the parameters of the art

30:00

argument are, and because their

30:02

lies are allowed to be turned into

30:04

truths like the very Fine

30:06

People thing. The very fine

30:08

people lie that Joe Biden says he based

30:11

his entire campaign on is one

30:13

hundred percent untrue, but

30:15

people on the left, many of them, still believe it's

30:17

true, and Joe Biden such

30:20

a degree that Joe Biden can base

30:22

his entire campaign on it. Some

30:24

people say, well, you know the election wasn't

30:26

actually stolen. Yeah, people understand

30:28

that there is an argument against

30:30

the election being stolen. You hear it

30:33

all the time. People

30:36

on the right know every argument

30:38

that is made on the left. I don't think

30:41

most people on the left know the arguments

30:43

that are even made outside of

30:45

far left echo chambers. And I think about

30:47

this Buck, as a guy came from sports, There

30:50

isn't a single person in sports media that

30:52

appears on ESPN that

30:55

has publicly been willing to acknowledge voting

30:57

for Donald Trump. Think about how

30:59

crazy it is at the entire

31:02

ESPN network. Don't they employed

31:04

hundreds of people on air. Not

31:06

one person has ever gone forward on their

31:09

private life and just said, you know what, I'm voting for Donald

31:12

Trump.

31:12

I think he's a better choice.

31:14

Not in twenty sixteen, not in twenty

31:16

twenty, and not so far in twenty twenty

31:18

four either. Most sports fans are

31:21

going to vote for Donald Trump. ESPN

31:23

doesn't employ a single person who is even willing

31:25

to publicly say that, how did we get here? That's

31:27

a great question, and I

31:29

think it's emblematic of how little discussion

31:32

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31:34

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I don't think you can get text messages, but I'm telling

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Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton

33:21

Show. I don't know how many of you heard this like

33:24

to oftentimes finish the show

33:26

with some humor. Uh, there

33:29

was, unfortunately for this

33:31

individual, a CrossCountry

33:33

skier that decided

33:36

he was going to testify Buck as

33:38

an expert in climate change on

33:41

Capitol Hill. He was a Democrat witness,

33:44

and Senator John

33:47

Kennedy of Louisiana, who

33:49

is quite entertaining has a very good

33:51

sense of humor, decided that he

33:54

wasn't that convinced that this

33:56

guy had an expert opinion

33:58

on climate change. So

34:01

this is a Olympic

34:03

cross country skier named

34:06

Gus Schumacher, and whatever

34:08

you would think a woke cross

34:11

country skier bro would look

34:13

like. This guy was the

34:15

absolute He would play himself in

34:17

a movie about himself.

34:19

That's how perfect he fits the cliche.

34:22

Listen to what it sounded like as

34:24

as one of the commenters on this set, things

34:27

went downhill very

34:29

quickly.

34:30

What is carbon dioxide?

34:33

I'm I went to high school, but that's

34:36

uh, carbon dioxide is a gas.

34:39

Okay, I'm not a I'm not a

34:41

I'm not a professional to talk about carbon

34:44

dioxide so much.

34:45

But well, you want us to abolish

34:47

it, right.

34:48

No, There's always

34:50

going to be carbon dioxide.

34:52

Right, So so what is it you

34:54

want us to do? Let me back

34:56

up, because I want to. I mean, you're here

34:58

as an expert, tell me more

35:00

about what carbon dioxide is.

35:03

I'm here as an expert cross country skier

35:05

who sees the changes in

35:08

my winters and the landscape

35:10

that I live in in Alaska, and so

35:12

carbon dioxide is what

35:14

I see it as is you know, it's a gas that

35:17

exists in our atmosphere, and.

35:19

Is it the major part of our atmosphere?

35:22

It's a huge part of our atmosphere, yet.

35:23

It's actually very small part of our atmosphere.

35:26

Well okay, but uh,

35:30

fuck, this goes on for five minutes. You

35:33

if you need to watch this, if you want to have an incredible

35:36

laugh. It's amazing, but you see,

35:38

it is First of all, yes, it is amazing and funny,

35:40

and I'm going to watch the whole thing. I didn't even know about this until

35:43

you just sent it to our team a moment ago, so I will

35:45

go check it out.

35:45

But I think I

35:49

cannot say this enough. I do not say this. Climate

35:51

change is a religious belief. It is religion. It

35:53

doesn't matter, right, As long as you believe,

35:56

you can be a total ignoramus. And that's not

35:58

even suppose that's not even a p That's

36:00

why he's not really embarrassed. You'll notice that

36:03

it's like bro like climate

36:05

change, like the earth, like it

36:07

doesn't matter. You can be the dumbest person.

36:09

You can worship some teenage girl

36:11

who's flying or sailing around the

36:13

world on some you know, green energy boat

36:16

who knows nothing about anything, and

36:19

you're considered a smart person. I mean, this is moronic

36:21

stuff. So yeah, religious

36:24

belief, climate change.

36:25

There you go.

36:25

People, even by the way I come across

36:28

this, do you ever get this? People will still look at

36:30

you like wait, but like you really like

36:32

they have a hard time even when I tell them I

36:34

don't worry about this at all, like there's no problem,

36:37

They're like, but you have a little bit of a concern, right,

36:40

No, zero, none.

36:43

I am so.

36:44

First of all, go watch that clip. We'll put it up at clayanbuck

36:46

dot com. It is really really funny. Congratulations

36:49

Senator Kennedy for obliterating

36:51

that individual. But

36:54

I'm concerned. I talk about this all the time with my boys.

36:56

We need more kids. Go have some kids. You

36:59

want to be concerned, fight