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will says his original podcast each

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week i combed the constant

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this is the second over two parter

1:28

on the changing face of what it means

1:31

to be an orphan and zambia if

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is not listen to put one yet i suggest

1:35

you go back to hear my couldn't finish

1:37

story and meet florence the

1:39

sadly this lady who to for tonight

1:41

and

1:43

right yeah what are we doing in

1:45

part two

1:47

so a lot has changed since the time

1:49

i was orphaned zombie traditionally

1:51

has an extended family system

1:53

where a family members hold each

1:55

other up in tough times including

1:58

taking in orphans that didn't

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be last thirty years or so

2:02

just like everywhere else zombie

2:05

has become increasingly globalized

2:07

the major fluctuations in

2:09

economy and coaches have evolved

2:11

on the western influences saw

2:13

the ledge or families has changed and

2:15

a lot of cases get

2:18

a lot of families which previously might have

2:20

had countless aunts and uncles

2:22

ready to step in for a child and need

2:25

just might not be like that anymore

2:27

we see so many children begging on streets

2:29

and it's painful to really think that

2:32

would never use in to find out who

2:34

they are or what this story

2:36

is

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oh that's a story i want us to tell

2:41

now have someone who was orphaned

2:44

just like me but ended up

2:46

in a very different situation

2:48

that haskell yes

2:51

civilian of us school is someone

2:53

who are actually met ten years ago through

2:55

my work as a journalist he worked

2:57

for charities are helping kids

2:59

living on the street the himself

3:01

than seven years as a homeless child

3:04

so he has truly lived and

3:06

challenges and struggles face

3:08

in those children is out

3:11

interesting story greece

3:13

and societal at far too

3:15

young an age this

3:17

, the cove he neat the com

3:20

the com no neither com

3:22

neither cove

3:26

my name's a civilian a vascular my

3:28

dad to someone got so it is protect

3:30

his name but i'm i'm zambian

3:33

and i'm speaking to cesspool remotely

3:36

recent

3:36

out he's gonna say said

3:38

home and challenges in the socks and

3:41

the house which the says partner

3:43

and children is , kind of comfortable

3:45

and secure environment the he remember

3:48

from his early childhood childhood

3:51

the street the i had i

3:54

face dad was there

3:57

and israeli lovely stepmother

4:00

she has very good woman

4:08

this was pool finished it and juliet

4:11

for my sister's four months just

4:13

, of it or me me

4:16

saw that are you from and it's often

4:18

it's so he married

4:20

a he don't magically father

4:22

had cancer sense to get away from the civil

4:25

war with this country and then this married

4:27

his they had just one term

4:29

to get scared but in

4:32

with breast cancer no in high school

4:34

is just seven months old she died

4:36

not really painful enough

4:39

had other consequences for vesco and saw

4:41

this future what does family in zambia

4:44

they've

4:44

been consistent rate com one so

4:47

that no idea of us with my dad

4:49

was accused of killing my

4:52

the

4:52

disease in the treatment white well known

4:55

at the time and so's mother

4:57

suddenly jumped to terrible conclusions

4:59

about what had happened that

5:02

top

5:03

and named was a sandwich bad

5:06

yeah cause that would stick good use

5:08

for , and bit of english

5:11

but never quits and yet those

5:13

that guess and by who

5:16

couldn't defend himself will it is with

5:18

him since he was responsible for

5:20

my stuff who he could leave

5:23

his baby haskell with the

5:25

abandoned me was

5:28

my aunties my and cause

5:31

in dad never

5:35

that moment that school lost all

5:38

his ties to his extended biological

5:40

family father and son

5:42

started again and pull married juliet

5:44

who became who became mother oscar

5:47

grew

5:48

sure you could almost available months

5:52

and , my on my happy us

5:55

went school

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we always have to do it we

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, shout shout met one bedroom

6:05

on to school was no more charged

6:07

with friends living

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friends the

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to be i need you now

6:15

it was car crash which changed

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vasquez nice

6:22

he and my

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the daddy network instant on my me

6:30

i remember that day say well

6:34

the memory of a day or two pins

6:36

for basket he said the was still

6:39

young child but he didn't have the luxury

6:41

of time and space sick leave for

6:43

his terrible loss in

6:45

that moment here not only his parents

6:48

he'd lost the safety stability

6:50

midway

6:53

in tunis case extended family

6:55

had stepped in a full vasco

6:57

the only people around who relatives relatives stepmother

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we had no interest no interest on

7:02

someone else child

7:04

that with me when , would

7:07

scoffed

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do remember that response decade

7:11

later the protests saville

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as and know

7:20

what he meant recession the that

7:25

really puts me sir so

7:27

i walked away because couldn't

7:29

beat them i couldn't do anything anything

7:31

was young so difficult go and when where

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we came from so what

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for three days three days yeah

7:38

no food no since this

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along stem i was ever

7:42

hungry from my

7:44

dad and my father died so it was

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just a new experience

7:49

and will do my father's grave yard the state

7:52

for few days there as

7:54

soon there it's ever had nowhere to

7:56

go or not to go

8:05

that he says he slipped by saw this

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great

8:08

the trying to ask for help from the church which

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is family had attended but the priests

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who knew him and his father had moved

8:14

on didn't know how to explain

8:17

the enough

8:18

i went to that else titian and i jumped

8:20

on a train and that one can be fixed why

8:23

are you going to living i don't

8:25

know i just sat the train

8:29

it went to livingstone and just sat

8:31

there that's good isn't know for some helpful

8:33

he was and this know when he cannot

8:36

but he thinks he was about ten or eleven

8:39

a young child boarding a train to

8:41

place he didn't know and no idea

8:43

what to do next

8:45

no plan a nothing

8:49

, this went and

8:51

i got off the train those

8:53

working i didn't know livingstone

8:57

a discussion and my to some

8:59

point he just said he took me

9:01

took whether used sleep and introduced

9:03

me to tonight so

9:05

i became his return

9:08

the boy was linux did he

9:10

just immediately recognize you

9:12

as someone else notice homeless the

9:14

i see if didn't know who i was

9:16

but because i looked lost her

9:19

, some clothes for or by a week

9:21

so he could tell that describes

9:23

last last almost the

9:25

same age same and

9:28

he approached me say hi how say you where

9:30

you from for said is fucking now into so

9:33

i taught him so of saw

9:36

on t i you lost i

9:38

said not i'm i lost and no one is

9:40

looking for me nobody

9:43

cares about miss i'm

9:46

just my own ah

9:48

my voice

9:54

you the

9:58

scene desperate situation athletic to

10:01

friend and mentor introduced

10:04

me to speak life on how

10:06

, fit for fault so i

10:08

started this did less in livingston

10:12

livingston , maybe i

10:14

did else does sense of comfort

10:16

that of shooting we

10:18

had about force different

10:21

places without sleep from in

10:23

livingston

10:26

linux is soap cisco lewd hence

10:29

his eyes and his new home i've

10:32

got its way of life

10:34

you know livingston is near zimbabwe

10:37

so there's a lot of cross put a

10:39

business sold hardly seems

10:41

for people like bells of sugar

10:44

boxes of alcohol was to

10:46

zimbabwe the as his posts one now

10:49

this namibia of close

10:51

to leaving the

10:53

would to be six adding

10:55

sinful people in

10:58

that to sustain i

11:00

don't feel friends whom we lived together

11:03

with men of them were loaded

11:05

dice they com

11:07

not that addresses it

11:09

was it was tim so they introduced

11:11

me to alcohol and we'd miss

11:14

, wrestle a lot with

11:16

friends were said you owed them and

11:18

me and i was the youngest he

11:22

was

11:23

twelve or thirteen when he tried

11:25

narcotics for the first time ever

11:27

does drinking and smoking and sneezing

11:30

sniffing the drag on the street

11:33

blue by then but not as a different

11:36

one is , new to me

11:39

i was scared for

11:41

six months i managed not

11:43

to drink but after

11:45

six months of interest alcohol

11:48

and smoking that's the way

11:50

of life on the street you

11:52

need to drink and smoke

11:54

up and do whatever but task

11:57

for you to survive

12:00

what

12:00

were you biggest fears when you're living

12:02

the street what we must

12:04

livingstone are scared of the dot

12:07

is a nice every

12:09

time is getting dug up a city or make

12:12

us were going to sleep

12:14

now no blankets no pillow

12:16

nothing or covered in boxes and plastics

12:20

scared , the night that

12:22

greatest fear when ever getting

12:24

dark and thinking okay here

12:27

we go again

12:31

certain point that's going swindler knocks

12:33

move together to different on the cop about

12:36

references he was trade center happened the about

12:39

which might been opportunity to make more money

12:42

the nice thing with different to everything's

12:44

asked i got used to livingston

12:47

when the janet really big guy i

12:49

found that the street does the oh it different

12:52

from livingstone the language of

12:54

the flames none of them understood

12:56

what i spoke so i

12:58

to lead the bem but now and

13:00

destroyed them but and

13:03

i to lead now stealing

13:05

inciting will aggressively not

13:07

, busy restroom used to do with my friends

13:10

in livingston by the sort of different had

13:12

to learn how to use a nice how

13:15

to the school drive to

13:17

, how to show no mercy mercy

13:19

did you need to need that's the only

13:21

way could survive on the street because

13:23

it was when you go doesn't know say

13:26

to move us for now this is different

13:28

us is necessary and

13:30

will come to visualize so

13:32

you and so suit issue and stabbing

13:35

someone don't his did

13:37

stop them don't want them lead to

13:39

new sales tub you miss you've already

13:41

stopped cause if you don't miss you've

13:43

so do it fast and you'll

13:45

be ahead and to

13:48

we wouldn't have been coming from and

13:50

their school who would you be scared

13:52

of being attacked by

13:54

to see the eighties it

13:56

is street is divided into gangs

13:59

and ten

14:02

that so i was introduced

14:04

to this gang which the noxious to

14:06

stay where bat and then i learnt

14:09

linux as can on the street for three years

14:11

by that time he

14:13

knew you were about and

14:15

, knew where he belongs belongs

14:18

was just me as his young brother when

14:20

he handed me over to another to

14:23

to the looking after me and then to

14:25

me or those things and now

14:27

we had to put a since we have a david him that

14:29

to call in the feud to the

14:31

you go to houses

14:34

stealing from where they do they are non

14:36

day we get clothes day in south

14:39

will look at passing that people's houses

14:41

checking the adore you for

14:44

fond of left shoes you get them cars

14:46

are parked would try open the doors

14:49

and , learned how to open doors

14:52

even was an alarm i

14:54

lived a lot of things which things

14:56

had no idea

15:02

he was a turning point a period when

15:04

vasco said his old self

15:06

and became someone else someone

15:09

who is more likely to survive in

15:11

this hostile environment it was

15:13

during this period in the kuiper belt

15:15

i was the

15:18

argument making

15:20

the thing was that or started

15:22

lending i , even

15:24

have an idea that the ever existed

15:27

existed didn't know was in my seat

15:30

to a came from we didn't have street

15:32

children so i didn't even know

15:34

the street children street , no

15:36

idea possibly children i

15:38

didn't know but as traumatized

15:41

and those living in shock without

15:43

realizing it so ,

15:45

mind quickly i just did in that became

15:48

concealed concealed

15:50

i so i'd

15:52

be thought pass by

15:54

then the to design know that i became

15:56

my monument i become

15:58

western the people i

16:01

became it

16:03

was

16:05

what about sent out

16:08

, say yes yes written

16:10

a month yes this goes

16:12

to the ah the the school

16:14

to smoke some to yes this

16:17

a necklace or boys yes this

16:21

do this to those goes of the yes everything

16:25

yes was i believed in

16:27

, head that nobody cared so

16:30

why should i care

16:33

it's you at all at a time sink

16:35

about your future and what that might look

16:37

like how did you imagine your future

16:39

the time the

16:40

casino when dad just to alive at

16:42

a dream was to consider that to all sorts

16:44

wanna be wouldn't grow up when else

16:46

on street or that seems was

16:49

gone and there's no time

16:51

for mister saddam but i'm not sure to add nothing

16:53

to lose really what they wanted

16:55

was to die that

16:57

that into live for

16:59

i just moved from for some other vesco

17:02

headed

17:03

and believed in a christian vision of caught

17:05

on street from the longer

17:07

brought him

17:09

i believe the the mind watching all

17:11

of us and i believe i

17:13

was taught clinton laws when

17:15

i saw myself incessant were said

17:17

and done said you know what i'm just and you know since

17:20

august and ,

17:22

god is love web t y

17:24

amount street and

17:26

time you've got his love for to me

17:28

as his chest thing was thing making

17:31

any sense to me so

17:34

i stopped believing in god

17:38

sense of betrayal little fury

17:40

which virtually started no and anyone

17:42

connected to the church mentally

17:46

man

17:48

especially those in chechnya informs

17:50

i used to call them pretend of and

17:52

what would you toxins from that ,

17:54

a bunch of lads and pretend

17:57

as thieves so i

17:59

see

18:02

by any chance

18:05

to them instead of fighting definitely

18:08

get the money from get book kicked him off

18:10

his shoes

18:14

it seemed like a spiral into

18:16

picked which

18:17

difficulty ever get out of the

18:20

end the turning point for saskatoon

18:22

just as a had all those usage

18:29

you become a brass i never hugged

18:32

so when he died i was

18:34

so i had broken in

18:36

seven years on the

18:38

he looks interesting cisco have

18:40

to family he looked after him in

18:42

his early days and been with some through his

18:44

darkest periods but

18:46

when the school was around seventeen that

18:49

crucial for the figure

18:51

for the first time and seven years

18:54

i was heartbroken cause

18:56

i'd reached stage you have bows i never

18:59

been months and of assuredly most has

19:01

never saudi i never smoked

19:04

and never left i lost this is

19:06

of sure my offseason different person

19:09

it's not surprising that the loss

19:11

of linux on top of everything he'd

19:13

already lost too much was

19:15

asked to bed after years

19:17

of fighting to survive

19:20

finally gave up better

19:22

be living in my heart that where my father

19:24

mother where they , a happy

19:26

so many side guys are constrained

19:29

him and has and happy life

19:31

that's good to me and

19:33

ended up in hospital

19:34

the an outreach group from an organization

19:37

called since and of hope

19:41

retreat into the sheath beef he

19:43

never talk about just ran away but

19:46

they follow him to hospital and start speaking

19:48

to him there there

19:50

followed me to the hospital two

19:52

and and said do was discharged

19:59

the this is charged he went into

20:01

orphanage and soccer give

20:05

me books such as an assist give on

20:07

this me to show me that they really meant

20:09

thought that go to school so

20:11

so i went back to school did it going to school

20:14

saw seven years behind so

20:17

circles school was young

20:20

boys and down or dead now

20:22

in class which was very difficult for

20:24

me but because loved so much

20:27

i searched young his size

20:30

it wasn't street food happy and

20:32

the streets had to ask her to be he's a certain

20:34

weight and school he was

20:36

in his own words and bully

20:39

hi always move to the knife was could

20:41

live right in my trousers always

20:45

in class will if will am

20:48

i always at the school globe and mail waste to

20:50

this very day three children owes

20:52

more successful dry but you need to be armed

20:54

or the time she saw

20:57

even at school ousts that that

21:00

patients support of teachers and

21:02

social workers class kentucky century

21:04

make it seem to finish of education he

21:07

was the only want to manage out of the small

21:09

group from ocean a to attend school together

21:12

recognizing wouldn't a chief and that was

21:15

he decided he wanted his future to

21:17

be about helping others treated by

21:19

keeping out

21:24

it's a huge challenge to take

21:26

on i , to charge he zambia

21:28

olson said who's been working with as was

21:30

chosen in serbia for the past

21:32

twenty years years told me they

21:34

see the same changes between us mortals

21:37

not begging and more children with other from

21:39

to go back to they say with

21:41

the rise in poverty levels extended

21:43

families are struggling to meet the only

21:45

so less likely to have capacity to take

21:47

on often vulnerable children as

21:50

the you see apartments

21:52

are pushing more children's turning to begging

21:55

for food or even putting themselves

21:57

at pre to risk child labor

21:59

we've put and cause

22:01

it the coffee use a scene additional

22:03

changes as well from the

22:06

illness itself a social distancing

22:08

measures making harder for people to work

22:10

and harder a d c scooting

22:13

with the clues

22:29

i'm

22:33

avoiding and ,

22:35

night night highly

22:37

personal work so

22:39

i guess my and

22:42

is where my friends as to their

22:45

on just some

22:47

, your life is to their on the streets

22:49

to doing the same thing ways to do do

22:52

i became like a living a

22:55

the basis to see that they want incense

22:57

and be different for those west's

22:59

as an animal the street and then

23:02

klingon tourism giving them the

23:04

message them hope and telling

23:06

them to believe in themselves and that they

23:08

can make it

23:12

despite all the grew into these such

23:14

cases something's getting better

23:17

the number is increasing years because of the

23:20

, differences but but

23:22

both know that into the

23:24

decency to mistreat out in dust a

23:26

safe to the noughties us richard

23:28

know there's more information is

23:30

richard the richard and the past

23:33

it used to be this international

23:35

people you see a was this in order

23:37

come into a structured with middle blubber but

23:39

not is leaving the government is

23:41

getting more involved local people

23:43

like us we're getting moink for the said this

23:45

is our problem we need to work with it

23:47

and deal with these to cause thieves

23:50

to for scared of us but nowadays

23:52

people can send the streets are going by for

23:54

dinner a slant sunset us chance

23:58

that's consistent

24:00

priority for organizations like

24:02

his is to reach children

24:04

who relatively new to the street to

24:06

try help them before they fall down

24:08

the hall a substance abuse which

24:10

changed history we

24:13

don't give up on them

24:15

we try and and she hopes

24:17

him was to new on the street

24:19

we tried to him and i've been

24:21

doing this with for more than fifteen years

24:23

have been around for some time some

24:25

good as a sea change good

24:27

as use me to test flights some of the people

24:29

are now working there police officers

24:32

someone did medical fields they

24:34

are not does some my teachers

24:37

someone nurses we

24:39

don't give up on to italy cause

24:42

, been in that so i know how to choose

24:44

not to trust somebody somebody

24:46

know how it feels to be betrayed

24:49

i know how to choose to go for days

24:51

without eating any food to the found

24:53

themselves in situations so

24:56

all we have to do is to separatist beers

24:58

yeah and

25:02

and ask you can i ask

25:04

what's your life like now he has assembly

25:06

of years

25:07

i i had woman we have keeps

25:10

have a son of a handsome

25:13

boy paul an announcement twins

25:15

and listen to schwab and

25:18

then i've quit as boys

25:21

my god from the street and

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, and live with him then school

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success of belonging myself

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my kids would never consider what consider went through

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