0:08

This was all circulating around the base that a

0:10

giant had been killed but no one was supposed

0:13

to talk about it. I

0:16

saw three long bony

0:18

fingers reach up underneath

0:20

the door, curl up to grab it and

0:22

then disappear. When

0:26

he came over to me, dude

0:29

he slithered over to me. And

0:36

this giant comes out of the cave and they're all frozen

0:39

and he starts running and firing at this giant.

0:42

With a giant move he's

0:44

got a spear in one hand and

0:46

he's running really fast and spears Dan

0:49

holds him up like this. Somebody

0:52

else shoot him in the face, shoot him in the face.

0:54

And they basically decapitated him. Got

0:58

spicers, got spicers, got spicers. When he

1:00

got about 15 yards away from me

1:03

I raised that four gauge and I blow this head

1:06

off. I feel something pulling at

1:09

my leg and I look over

1:11

and there are two small gray

1:13

entities pulling it and

1:15

they're literally I'm getting pulled off the bed.

1:18

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1:20

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1:22

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1:24

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3:33

So I figured I'd bring somebody in who

3:36

is in studio here and he knows

3:38

cameras. I don't know. How you

3:40

doing, Shawn? Good man, thanks for coming in.

3:45

You moved from Wisconsin, you and your

3:47

brother. That's correct. Moved from Wisconsin recently

3:49

to Tennessee. Yeah, we live in Nashville

3:52

now. Yeah, so like how did this,

3:54

first of all, why? Did

3:56

you move to Tennessee? So

3:59

I've... I've been in Wisconsin

4:01

for a long time. I originally moved there from

4:03

Colorado after I got out of the military.

4:06

I wanted to be closer to my family. So

4:09

they were all in Wisconsin. I lived there for a

4:11

bunch of years. And

4:13

then my sister actually moved

4:15

to Franklin, Tennessee. And

4:18

she just had her first baby. So

4:21

I wanted to be closer to my niece, the

4:23

first one that was ever born

4:25

into our family. So I wanted to

4:27

be part of their lives. So we moved down here and

4:29

we wanted to get a little change of pace. Wisconsin is

4:32

super slow and

4:35

just wanted to see what other frontiers were

4:37

out there. And

4:39

we came here and the rest

4:42

is history. That's cool. I mean,

4:44

I actually, when I was thinking about moving to Tennessee,

4:46

Franklin was on the list of places to move to.

4:50

I really liked the idea of being in Franklin because of

4:53

the amount of people there

4:55

that are familiar with entertainment. I

4:57

was like, man, I'm going to be good for business. But then

4:59

I was like, well, the Smokies are

5:01

calling me and Nashville is kind of dirty.

5:04

So I was like, in

5:06

hindsight, I wish that we wouldn't have come

5:08

to Nashville. Well, you can always move a

5:10

little further east. I feel like it has

5:13

tainted my opinion of Tennessee ever so slightly

5:15

because it is dirty. It's chaotic.

5:18

It's not the Nashville our parents knew. Yeah.

5:20

And it's not the one that I had dreamed about.

5:23

No, that Nashville is gone. I was pretty much like

5:25

I feel like I experienced all the Nashville I need

5:28

to experience within my first week of being here. So

5:30

I definitely like this side of the state more. Yeah,

5:33

I agree. I love it out

5:35

here. The Smokies are beautiful. I see them every day

5:37

and that's the way I like

5:39

it. I'm never leaving. So all right. So

5:42

you're down here in Tennessee and I don't

5:44

exactly remember. No, actually I do.

5:47

The way we got connected, for me at

5:49

least, was I was

5:51

on my Instagram and I saw your

5:54

Instagram follow us or follow me. And

5:56

I just saw it said 21st century. So

8:00

like I have a general of idea. And if

8:02

you tell me too much, I tell you to stop because I

8:04

don't want to hear before we start the interview. Yeah, I mean,

8:06

we were just chopping it up and you cut me off a

8:08

couple of times. Yeah, I was like, nah, stop. So

8:11

yeah, we're gonna, just to give people an

8:13

idea of where we're going and it's gonna

8:15

be an adventure because I don't even

8:18

know exactly where we're going, but it's gonna be fun.

8:21

We're gonna start off with this bizarre

8:23

story you and your brother had experienced in the

8:25

woods. And I think you even mentioned there's some

8:27

other people involved as well. Unfortunately,

8:29

your brother couldn't make it today, but you're here to

8:32

tell the story. And

8:34

also we're gonna be talking about

8:37

portal in an abandoned building. And you said

8:39

that this is a very long, wild story.

8:41

And I'm just like, yeah, I'm down for

8:43

that action. And then we're

8:46

also gonna probably most likely do an overtime

8:48

as well, where we get into some kind

8:50

of topical conversation

8:52

that I know you're a

8:55

little hesitant to do because

8:57

last time you talked about publicly you're like

8:59

chastised. Rangled in to talk

9:01

some philosophy. Yeah, and I'm like, come on,

9:03

man. I'm just like, suckering you into another

9:06

round of beatings. Well, it'll be nice

9:08

to talk to somebody other than myself about it. So

9:10

there you go, there you go. But

9:12

yeah, we were gonna talk about a lot of

9:14

different stuff. Maybe we can talk about the elves

9:16

in, what was it, Ireland? Iceland. Iceland, Iceland. Yeah,

9:19

I hear it's nice this time of year.

9:21

So yeah, so let's start off with the

9:23

story in the woods. Now, this story in

9:26

the woods that kind of got you on

9:28

my radar, did this happen in Wisconsin? Yes,

9:30

so this actually happened on my

9:33

parents' property in Wisconsin. And

9:35

so my parents live sort

9:38

of central Wisconsin area in

9:41

between Green Bay and Milwaukee in

9:43

the country. And they

9:45

live on this river in a little

9:47

town and they

9:50

have a certain amount of wooded acreage.

9:52

So my brother and

9:54

I at the time of this story were living

9:56

in Milwaukee and we were gonna

9:58

go up to sea. the parents

10:00

and we were going to film this movie

10:03

on their property.

10:05

Are we just getting into it? We're just

10:07

going. Just go. Okay. I

10:10

love it. I'm already in. You

10:12

said Green Bay and I'm already thinking, you know, I'm thinking about

10:14

Packers while you're talking about it. Right. I'm

10:16

kidding. RIP Aaron Rodgers. But

10:18

no, we were out there in my

10:21

free time. I'm an amateur

10:23

filmmaker, so we were filming a

10:26

little sci-fi project that I'm still

10:28

working on and won't

10:31

plug. It's fine. But like... Go

10:33

ahead and plug it, bro. Well, it's about portals,

10:35

coincidentally. So it's a project I'm working

10:38

on called Crusader 15 and

10:40

it's essentially this story of a portal

10:44

traveler who ends up accidentally finding these

10:46

portals. And every time he goes through

10:48

one, the portal closes and he's trapped

10:51

on the other side. But

10:54

at the same time, he loses a little piece

10:56

of himself every time a portal closes. So

10:59

long story short, he ends up going through

11:01

all of these portals, trying to get back

11:03

to where he originally started

11:05

and he's losing himself along the way

11:07

until there's basically nothing left of him.

11:09

It's kind of a tragic tale, but

11:11

it's something that I'm working on. And

11:15

we went to my parents' property to

11:17

film basically the first chapter of

11:19

it. My brother AJ

11:21

was my main... My

11:23

lead, my Crusader. And

11:26

I also had my other brother

11:28

Jonah and our family

11:31

friend Andy working

11:33

with us, helping me out with the gear. And

11:36

my brother Jonah was also acting in it.

11:39

So my parents' property, the way

11:42

that it is, is it's way

11:44

out in the country surrounded by cornfields

11:46

like most of Wisconsin. Their

11:50

house is on top of a hill and

11:52

the hill slopes down

11:54

to the banks of the Fox

11:57

River, which is a good-sized river.

12:00

you can put a boat on it like it's it's

12:02

a decent sized river and they have river frontage and

12:05

everything between the river and their house on

12:07

this hill is His

12:10

forest so this was gonna

12:12

be a great setting for the

12:14

film that we were making and We

12:18

were also gonna see them and hang out and whatever

12:20

we hadn't seen them in a while since we were

12:22

in Milwaukee and

12:25

we had completed a few days of

12:27

recording three or four days and we

12:31

To fast forward a little bit through all the

12:33

monotonous stuff We got to the point where we

12:35

were done and it was nighttime everybody in the

12:38

house had gone to bed So it's just

12:40

me AJ Jonah and Andy Hanging

12:43

out in the woods at night after we had cleaned

12:45

up all the gear and everything we were just chopping

12:48

it up like we do just some friends in the

12:50

woods and For a

12:52

part of this film we had built

12:54

this structure in the

12:57

forest And we called it

12:59

the tabernacle And

13:01

it's it's basically this

13:03

gigantic TP type structure And

13:07

the walls are all logs and big

13:09

sticks and it's dug into the side

13:11

of the hill so half of it

13:13

is literally the hill and the rest

13:15

are these sticks and logs and it's

13:18

big enough that we could all fit in there and have

13:20

a fire in there as well and so

13:23

we were hanging out and Just

13:26

talking and Because

13:30

of the Weather

13:32

in Wisconsin, it's kind of brisk outside

13:34

when we were doing this and inside

13:37

it would get really hot because of the fire So

13:40

we would occasionally go out to cool off

13:42

get some air The smoke the

13:44

way that thing was built the structure kind of held

13:46

in some of the smoke So like to get some

13:48

air and stuff we would go out Occasionally

13:50

and there was this one instance

13:53

where Andy and Jonah were sitting

13:55

in the tabernacle and AJ

13:58

and I stepped out to get some mayor. And,

14:02

you know, we

14:05

all of us were except Andy, but

14:08

God bless him. But we were, we're

14:10

all woods kids, we've all spent our

14:12

whole lives growing up in the woods,

14:15

we didn't have electronics growing up. So

14:17

we were always, you know, my parents

14:19

homeschooled us, and we were always living

14:22

sort of a back to the basics

14:24

kind of lifestyle. So we

14:26

grew up in the woods, we're comfortable in the

14:28

woods at night, we camp a lot. And so

14:30

we didn't have any flashlights,

14:32

we weren't armed, we didn't have any

14:34

sort of we

14:37

didn't think we needed that kind of stuff, right. And

14:40

so we're stepping out and

14:42

to get some air

14:44

and we're just talking. And

14:47

all of a sudden off in

14:49

the distance, there's a sound. And

14:53

it doesn't sound like much just some,

14:55

like some rustling leaves and a snap of

14:58

a twig. And for

15:00

anybody who's spent any time in the woods, that's not

15:03

a big mystery. It's probably an animal.

15:05

My parents have foxes that live on their

15:07

property. There's a deer trail that walks right

15:09

along the river in these woods. And there's

15:12

constantly like raccoons and possums and coyotes

15:15

and all sorts of stuff roaming around

15:17

down there. So we're not

15:19

really scared. But

15:21

we're kind of like, you know, what is

15:23

that? That's natural reaction. It's just like you

15:25

hear that. And so AJ kind of he

15:28

looks over at me and he's like, Did you hear that? And

15:31

I was like, Yeah, I

15:33

heard it. And and we, we

15:36

kind of zone in on it. And you know, we

15:39

kind of sit down on our haunches to lower

15:42

our frame and kind of hide ourselves

15:44

against the hill. But

15:47

the fire is behind us. So the way

15:49

that it is, we are between whatever the

15:51

thing that made the sound, wherever

15:53

that is, and the fire so

15:56

it can see us most likely,

15:58

but we try to make ourselves small. and continue

16:00

to listen. Sure

16:03

enough, it starts up again. We tell

16:06

the boys to be quiet and

16:08

come out here and see if you

16:10

can see this thing. They

16:12

creep out. We all

16:15

just hear this literal

16:18

walking, like a

16:21

bipedal walk. We

16:24

knew it was bipedal because of the way

16:26

that it was. It was very intentional

16:31

footfalls. It wasn't like the rustling

16:33

of a deer walk when it kicks

16:36

up leaves or anything like that. It

16:38

was very obvious that this thing was

16:40

probably bipedal. We just

16:43

sat there and we all

16:45

listened. We waited. Maybe we

16:47

would see it come into the firelight

16:49

or something like that. It

16:52

did sound far enough away that

16:54

we might not see it in the firelight though. After

16:59

we didn't really hear anything for

17:01

a couple seconds, I

17:04

picked up a stick just off

17:06

the forest floor and I threw it in

17:09

that direction. It was very clear that whatever

17:11

this thing was hadn't moved along. It was

17:13

right over there in this little area that

17:15

we had kind of reasoned

17:18

that this thing was in. I

17:21

threw a stick over there and

17:23

nothing happened. One of the other

17:25

boys threw something over there. Again,

17:28

nothing happened. AJ

17:30

gets out his iPhone and turns on

17:35

the flashlight. We all know these

17:37

flashlights aren't that great. It's not

17:39

piercing the darkness, but it is

17:42

kind of lighting up a

17:44

little more than the fire. Now that

17:48

we've had time to look back

17:50

on it, about 35-ish, 40 feet

17:53

away, and we went back there the next day to

17:55

kind of count it out. That's

17:57

where I get that number from.

17:59

These are Eyes. Some.

18:02

Illuminates. Near.

18:04

The forest floor and.

18:07

Say. Illuminates. But it's prey the wrong. Where they

18:10

they, it's I Shine is what it is. And.

18:14

These eyes. Instantly

18:17

capture attention because they're not

18:19

like other animal eyes that

18:21

you. May. Have seen in the woods

18:23

their. Their.

18:25

Front facing which is.

18:29

Symbolic of. Predators.

18:31

Most predators have front facing eyes and

18:33

so that's the first thing we noticed

18:35

was that the eyes are. They're.

18:38

Facing forward, but they were

18:40

also. They

18:42

were large like they were. Bigger.

18:45

Than our eyes I would say

18:47

bigger than human eyes And. Your

18:50

natural reaction for something like with

18:52

eyes that big in Wisconsin is

18:55

gonna be dear. That's what it's

18:57

gonna be. But. The way

18:59

that the eyes were positioned i

19:01

the front facing and they were

19:03

about six inches apart like from

19:06

where we were standing. It

19:08

looked like you could go up to

19:10

this thing either. Put your hand in

19:12

between the eyes and the eyes. you

19:14

wouldn't touch both like the if is.

19:17

It was a large face that these

19:19

eyes were in. And.

19:22

It was so low to the

19:24

ground that. From.

19:27

An animal that size. With.

19:30

Front facing eyes. The

19:33

only thing that I could compare it

19:35

to was if you were in the

19:37

woods. Trying to sneak

19:40

up. On us or something and

19:42

you were down in the prone like sort

19:44

of like as low to the ground as

19:46

you could get with your head, sort of,

19:49

your chin sort of resting on the ground,

19:51

looking up like this. like looking up the

19:53

hill at us. And.

19:57

Obviously. That.

20:00

kind of triggered us a little bit

20:02

because it looked like this thing was hiding,

20:04

like trying to hide. Like it didn't know that

20:06

we had caught the eye shine yet. So

20:12

we freak out. We've got a

20:14

couple tools in this

20:16

shelter that we made. So we have a

20:18

shovel and we have like a hammer, just

20:20

basic things that we use for set building.

20:23

And we're all kind of

20:25

slowly arming ourselves because even though bears

20:28

and wolves are uncommon in Wisconsin, especially

20:30

that far south, you can find them

20:32

in the North woods once in a

20:34

while, but not really that far south.

20:40

There are stories of these rogue animals that

20:42

sort of like every

20:44

now and then there's rumors of cougars and

20:46

stuff that kind of come out and there's

20:49

lone cougars that stalk the woods and kill

20:51

deer and stuff. And so we were

20:54

preparing for the instance that this was a

20:56

large predator just in case and

20:58

we couldn't scare it away. At this

21:01

point, we are literally chucking stick after

21:03

stick. We're all throwing stuff at this

21:05

thing and the eyes aren't moving at all.

21:07

Like we're not hitting it and

21:09

the eyes aren't moving. They're staring straight

21:11

at us. And

21:14

then this thing,

21:16

we can't

21:20

see the thing itself, but the

21:22

eyes rise and

21:26

it's like this thing stood up and

21:28

they get to about six and

21:30

a half, seven feet off the

21:32

ground. So like we

21:36

now know these things are, this thing is bigger

21:38

than any of us at a minimum. Yeah,

21:40

it's not Bambi. No, it's not

21:42

Bambi. And we

21:44

had hoped that this could

21:46

be something like a deer raising its

21:48

head, but we kept going

21:51

back to just the shape of the eyes

21:53

and the position of the eyes, the distance

21:55

apart, the crouch. It didn't make

21:57

sense for this to be a deer. It

22:00

was too big to be an animal that

22:02

could potentially climb a tree like a raccoon

22:04

or something. So we know that it wasn't

22:06

a raccoon that scurried up the tree and

22:09

was now just looking over at us. It

22:12

wasn't hidden behind

22:14

the trees because we could see

22:17

both eyes still just blatantly staring

22:19

at us. For

22:23

whatever reason, I decide

22:25

that I'm going to get a

22:27

little bit closer. Even

22:31

though I'm scared and we're all getting

22:33

more and more scared as time goes

22:35

by and we're throwing and yelling, Jonah's

22:37

banging his shovel on some

22:39

logs just trying to make as much noise as possible

22:41

at this point. We want this

22:44

thing to run off. We want any

22:46

sort of reaction. It's extremely menacing that

22:48

this thing is just standing there staring

22:51

regardless of what we're doing to try to scare it

22:54

off. We're

22:59

not scaring it off. So I go a little bit closer.

23:01

I go to the bottom of this hill. So

23:05

I'm now probably 10, 15

23:07

feet away from the rest of the boys and from the

23:09

shelter. When

23:13

you go down the hill, it slowly sort

23:15

of levels out. It's flat for ways before

23:17

it slopes again down into the river. I'm

23:20

on the beginning of this

23:22

flat area and this creature

23:24

would be on the other

23:26

probably about 20, 25 feet away from me at this

23:28

point. I

23:32

can't see the eye shine from where I'm at. The

23:35

boys still can. They're giving me

23:37

the play-by-play and I'm down here

23:39

in this low area. I'm

23:42

literally doing what I've been doing this entire

23:44

time and I'm just chucking sticks and rocks

23:47

because I need something to happen. I need

23:49

there to be some kind of movement to

23:53

feel good about trying

23:55

to get out of the woods because at

23:58

this point now that is the... fire

26:00

out because even in

26:02

this situation, we're not going to leave a fire just

26:04

going in the woods. So they're trying to put the

26:06

fire out because we're going to get out of here

26:08

now. Ajay

26:14

says that while I was

26:16

running back, he heard a sound come

26:19

from the thing. He

26:22

said it was sort of a cross between

26:24

a hiss and

26:27

a low rumbling growl.

26:31

And I didn't hear it. Granted,

26:33

I was running through the underbrush, so

26:35

I didn't hear that. But

26:39

he said that the sound was

26:43

menacing enough that

26:45

he felt like we were in

26:47

danger at that point. At

26:50

that point, if we didn't already feel

26:52

like this was a hazard to us,

26:54

this now was dangerous. This

26:57

does seem to be some kind of

26:59

predator. It does have a sort of

27:01

hiss growl sound to it. It's big

27:03

front-facing eyes, and it's

27:06

fully aware of what we're doing and appears

27:08

to know what we're trying to do, too,

27:10

which is scare it off, and it's just

27:12

not scared. So

27:14

as I'm running back to

27:17

the boys, I'm going to

27:19

help them put the

27:21

fire out and get our

27:23

last things because we still have

27:25

a couple items down there like camera

27:28

gear and stuff. We're going to grab all

27:30

this up. We decided that the best thing

27:32

to do at this point is

27:36

to not really split up, but

27:39

we're going to scatter across the hill and all

27:41

go up on our own. Why?

27:44

So the reason that we decided this was the

27:46

best idea is, first of all, we were horrified,

27:49

but we felt

27:52

like this thing was

27:54

more... We

27:57

felt like if we weren't in a group, it would be... It

28:00

would be harder to get us. I

28:02

don't know what our logic was. Oh, at the

28:04

same time, sure. Right, so the

28:07

way this hill is, this structure that we

28:09

built is kind of built into this hill,

28:11

and the hill is, it's not quite, it's

28:15

not, it's maybe

28:17

a 45 degree angle hill. So

28:19

like this is, you're pawing the earth

28:21

when you're climbing up this hill. It's

28:23

loose dirt, it's decaying leaves, it's logs,

28:25

it's thorns, it's brush, and

28:27

we don't go far apart from

28:29

each other, but we're probably, there's 10, 15

28:32

feet in between each of

28:34

us, and we're each kind of going up

28:37

directly behind through the undergrowth in

28:40

these kind of random directions

28:42

just to get to the top of the hill,

28:44

because at the top of the hill is an

28:46

open field, and there's

28:48

no forest whatsoever at the top of the

28:50

hill. It just opens up into this field,

28:53

and then we would run along the tree

28:56

line to

28:59

get to my parents' house. So

29:03

we took the, we each took our own sort

29:05

of shortest route up this hill. We

29:08

get to the field, and

29:10

this is all triggered by

29:12

the fact that as I was running up

29:15

towards AJ to get all his gear, he

29:18

took his phone away from, like

29:20

he stopped shining the light accidentally to sort of

29:23

reach out to help me get up the hill,

29:26

and when he did that, he took the light off

29:28

the eyes. When he scanned

29:30

back, there were no more eyes,

29:33

but we didn't hear anything flee. We didn't

29:35

hear anything running, moving, and of any type,

29:37

but we just, when he scanned back

29:40

to try to find the eyes again

29:42

after helping me up this hill, they

29:44

weren't there, and

29:47

it's very like horror movie, right?

29:49

Like it's just, now

29:52

we don't know where this thing is, but

29:55

we heard it approach, so logic tells me

29:57

that we would hear it leave, or just

29:59

leave. do anything and we didn't.

30:02

So that's what triggered our

30:06

retreat up the hill and

30:08

back into the parents' house. And

30:11

that's sort of the

30:13

end of the actual experience.

30:18

But the story doesn't end there. It

30:20

gets weirder. So

30:28

the next day, it's late at night,

30:30

obviously, everybody's sleeping. I have a little

30:32

brother who lives with my parents still.

30:35

His name is Benjamin. And he's

30:39

really afraid of the dark

30:41

and stuff like that. He's still scared of

30:44

spiders and stuff like that. And

30:48

he's very easily frightened,

30:52

even just by stories. You can't really talk about

30:54

stuff. We have to be careful what movies he

30:56

can watch and stuff like that because he'll get

30:58

very scared and he won't be able to sleep.

31:00

And then he'll be sleeping in my parents' room

31:03

all the time, like classic little kid stuff. And

31:08

since AJ and I had moved away

31:11

and Jonah had also moved into an

31:13

apartment of his own living with Andy,

31:17

Benjamin had been sleeping in his room

31:19

by himself. And his room

31:21

is in the basement. But

31:23

the way that my parents'

31:26

house is, it's half underground.

31:28

So it is

31:30

a basement, but it's a walkout basement.

31:33

And the basement walks out and literally

31:35

straight into the woods. There's no backyard

31:37

on this house. The

31:39

backside of the house is all window

31:41

and it faces the river and

31:44

the forest. And so you walk out the

31:46

back door and you

31:49

are essentially in the woods. And

31:52

Benjamin's room is down there. And he

31:54

has this one window that

31:57

looks sort of up and out of his

31:59

room. room. That's

32:02

important for a little bit later in

32:04

the story. So the next morning comes

32:08

and AJ and I

32:10

are eating breakfast and my dad

32:12

is, oh, I'm

32:15

sorry, let me back up. The next morning comes and

32:18

I usually rise a

32:21

little bit earlier than the other guys.

32:23

So I go back down there.

32:26

It's a beautiful day. It's bright. It's sunny. I

32:29

want to go back down there and I want to see

32:31

if I can find any evidence of anything down there. I

32:33

want to see if I can find tracks, leaves

32:37

moved. I want to see all the sticks we threw.

32:39

I want to see where they landed. I

32:41

want to see anything at all that

32:43

confirms what we witnessed that night or

32:46

the night prior. I go down

32:48

there and this

32:51

is what really confirmed that it was

32:53

something not

32:55

natural. Or at

32:57

least natural in a way that we don't recognize

33:00

as natural. And it was

33:02

a stick structure. I

33:05

took some pictures of it. I don't have them

33:08

with me. I can send them to you so

33:10

you have it. They're also on the YouTube, but

33:13

there's two X's in the

33:15

trees. And I had

33:19

heard rumors that Bigfoot

33:23

and other forest dwelling creatures would

33:25

make structures in the forest

33:27

as sort of a territorial

33:30

thing, but also just creating

33:32

landmarks, sort of marking

33:34

territory, maybe giving warnings. You might know more

33:36

than I do on that. I

33:39

don't know anything about them because I'm not a researcher

33:41

and I don't pretend to be one. But I

33:45

would say that what you're describing

33:47

is at least communication of some

33:49

type. So there were these two

33:51

X's and they were perfect.

33:53

And when your viewers, if they go to

33:55

your website or whatever and see the photos,

33:59

there's no way to... deny that these were

34:01

intentionally placed. And they were two X's

34:03

next to each other, perfect

34:05

90 degree angles, and

34:08

they were right at the location of where we

34:10

were throwing all the sticks. So I

34:12

knew this was the location that we saw the

34:14

eyes, and those stick

34:16

structures, it's important to mention, they

34:18

were not there the day

34:21

before. And we know that because we had

34:24

been filming there for days. And

34:26

so right along

34:28

that path where that clump of trees

34:30

where we were, we had actually filmed

34:33

a scene. And so I knew that

34:35

those weren't there the day prior. How

34:38

many X's did you find? Just two of

34:40

them. What are the odds that what you

34:42

threw landed like that? Impossible.

34:45

These are huge sticks.

34:48

They're about this

34:50

thick, they're as thick as a quarter

34:52

or so, and they are like

34:55

really long sticks, like, I

34:57

don't know, eight feet in length. And

35:01

you could reason like when I try to

35:04

logically talk about it, you could reason that

35:06

what must have happened is after

35:09

we went back to the house, some

35:14

branches from the treetops fell

35:17

right at that location. And they

35:20

landed in that perfect way.

35:23

That's the only way that

35:25

we could explain it. Another

35:27

thing to kind of mention about the

35:29

sticks is they were sort of, they

35:33

were standing independently of anything

35:35

else. So they were kind of standing

35:37

in the earth. And

35:40

the branch, there were branches

35:42

on the bottom. And that's kind of what

35:44

stabilized them. So like, that's why I say

35:46

there's no way we threw them. Because they

35:49

were actually like, they were branches, other

35:53

branches shooting off of them and stuff. So they were, it

35:56

looked like tree fall. But the

35:58

way that it was positioned, and

36:00

seemed extremely intentional. So

36:04

I took some pictures of that. I

36:07

was like, there's no way that this

36:09

is natural. But I keep

36:11

an open mind. I'm a firm

36:13

believer that not everything is something. Some

36:16

things... Get out. Ha

36:19

ha ha. Some things I

36:21

have to just be just like,

36:23

this might be nothing. Yeah. But

36:27

this wasn't, I didn't believe this was

36:29

that. So I took some photos and

36:31

I went back to the house and

36:35

fast forward now, me and Aja are sort of eating

36:37

breakfast. We're waiting for the rest of the family to

36:39

wake up. It's just my mom, my dad, and

36:41

Benjamin in the house at this point. Joan

36:44

and Andy go to work or go home or

36:46

whatever they're doing. And so

36:49

it's just us five. And Benjamin's

36:53

a real fun kid. He likes fantasy

36:55

football and stuff like that. So he

36:57

comes out and he's kind of kidding

37:00

around with us talking about his fantasy team and

37:02

all that. And we

37:05

make a joke about, well, yeah, I guess it's a

37:07

good thing you're not spending any time outside because we

37:09

got chased by a Wendigo last night. It's

37:11

just a joke. We're joking. We're making light

37:13

of it. But in the

37:15

back of our mind, the Wendigo and

37:18

the Skinwalker, these are very Wisconsin things.

37:22

That's where those things come from. And

37:25

going up into Canada

37:27

and neighboring Minnesota.

37:30

So we're joking, but

37:32

we're like, yeah, you better

37:34

be careful if you go outside because we got

37:36

chased by a Wendigo last night. And

37:40

my dad's in the other room and

37:43

he's like, what are you talking

37:45

about? And Benjamin's

37:48

like, wait, really? Like

37:50

he believes us instantly. He's like, really? And

37:53

we were like, yeah, so you better

37:55

be careful buddy. Like don't go out there by

37:58

yourself. Just be an old man. scared

38:00

of fighters. Right, right, right. We're triggering him

38:02

a little bit. A little. But then he

38:04

lights up and he says, dude, I

38:10

have been seeing something outside my window.

38:13

And now AJ and I are

38:16

kind of like, what are

38:18

you talking about? Like, what did you

38:20

see? Because we haven't described this thing at all. So

38:22

we were just kind of like, what did you see?

38:25

And he said, well, it

38:28

didn't look like anything. It was

38:31

kind of just like a dark

38:34

shadow. And it would just,

38:36

it just walks across my window

38:39

sometimes. And

38:42

his window's big. So like, it's kind of

38:44

like, if

38:46

it was a cat or something like that, like

38:48

you'd be able to tell the size of whatever

38:50

it is walking in front of you. And since

38:52

it looks up, it kind of like looks up

38:54

into the sky. So like, you can

38:57

get a glimpse of sort of the

38:59

size of things that they walk by. And

39:02

he's like, yeah, it's just like this big shadow

39:05

that just sometimes walks in front of my

39:07

window. And it like goes down towards the

39:09

woods. He's like, it's always coming from up

39:11

here. And it sort of goes down into

39:13

the woods. And

39:16

my dad then, he's

39:18

like, yeah, you guys got to stop going into

39:21

the downstairs door. And

39:23

we're like, well, what are you talking about? Like this

39:25

downstairs door is the door that we would always go

39:27

in and out of when we visited because my parents'

39:30

room is upstairs and it's right next to the front

39:32

door. And we don't like to wake them up

39:34

when we're coming and going. They're early to

39:36

bed, early to rise folks. And

39:41

so my dad gets really serious and he's like, I'm

39:43

serious, like, I don't want you guys going in and

39:45

out of that door anymore. And this is kind of

39:48

alarming because this is the door that traditionally he has encouraged

39:50

us to go in and out of. And

39:52

it doesn't disturb anybody when we do. And now

39:55

all of a sudden, he's just like, don't use

39:57

that door ever. And I was

39:59

kind of like, I was like,

40:01

why, like what's going on? And

40:04

he said, you know, the other night, I

40:06

went downstairs because I heard a sound and

40:10

the door was wide open. And

40:13

he's like, it's not like the door was cracked.

40:18

Because I was like, what do you mean wide open?

40:20

And he's like, I literally went down there and it

40:23

was like back on its hinges, wide open, in

40:25

the middle of the night. I'm

40:29

getting chills right now, just telling

40:31

the story. I got goosebumps, but

40:33

like it's, it

40:35

triggered my dad so badly. And my

40:37

dad carries at home. Like that's the

40:39

kind of guy my dad is. You

40:42

know, if the toaster makes

40:44

a sound, he's going to shoot that thing.

40:46

Like he goes to

40:48

the range all the time and it

40:50

just drives my mom wild because he's

40:52

an ace. He can shoot anything. And

40:56

he carries at home. And when my

40:58

dad says something that seriously, I

41:01

know it has deeply impacted

41:04

him somehow. And he's very,

41:06

this is my home. This is my fortress

41:08

kind of guy. And

41:11

he forbade us from using that

41:13

door anymore. So he permanently locked

41:15

it and threw away the

41:17

key, so to speak. And we

41:22

just don't have that door anymore. And

41:27

we're kind of joking around about it

41:29

because we're just like, well, okay, dad,

41:31

like let's not jump

41:34

to any, you know, radical

41:38

length here to try to say like, there's

41:40

danger in the woods. We don't actually know

41:42

what it is. We didn't see anything except

41:45

eyes and he couldn't

41:47

be moved. My

41:50

mom walks in the room and

41:53

she says, what are you guys

41:56

talking about? And

42:00

my mom is the most

42:03

Jesus loving little

42:08

five foot four Wisconsin woman you

42:10

will ever meet. She

42:13

has her own business teaching kids how

42:15

to act and

42:17

she's she's she's she

42:19

loves Jesus. She loves kids and

42:21

she does not like these

42:24

negative conversations. If

42:27

she knew what I was talking to you about on this podcast

42:29

right now, she she's not going to

42:31

tune in. I'll tell you that much. Sure. She

42:34

doesn't like even when my dad starts talking about, you know, the

42:36

end times and stuff like that. Um,

42:39

because obviously he's kind of the prepper type.

42:41

So he's those things are on

42:43

his mind. She doesn't listen. She's just

42:45

like, I'm not gonna, I'm not listening to this kind of

42:47

talk. In a rare

42:50

instance. She's like,

42:52

what are you guys talking about? And

42:56

so we tell her, yeah, we got chased by a wendigo.

42:58

Same story that we told my dad and Benjamin. And

43:02

she's like, can

43:05

I just, can I just tell you

43:07

a story real quick of something that

43:09

happened to me recently? And

43:11

we were like, okay, like this is weird. Yes,

43:14

please tell us the story. And

43:16

she said this morning I woke up

43:18

and it was like seven or eight o'clock. I

43:20

don't know. But my

43:22

friend Peggy emailed me or

43:25

sent me a text and

43:28

I'm paraphrasing, but the text

43:30

said something like, um,

43:34

Hey friend, hope everything is

43:36

well. And I want

43:38

you to know that I'm praying for

43:40

you regarding the situation in your backyard.

43:46

So this,

43:50

there's like, you could hear a pin drop in the room

43:53

because now

43:55

everybody in this room has had some kind

43:57

of experience with whatever that thing was. Everybody's

44:00

on the same page. Everybody's on the same

44:02

page and it got taken very, very seriously

44:04

to the point where everybody was sort of

44:06

talking about it off and on. It's like

44:08

nobody wanted to have a conversation altogether about

44:10

what it could be, but throughout the day

44:12

randomly, each one of them would come up

44:14

to me or AJ and just be like,

44:16

so tell me a little bit more about

44:18

it. It was like they wanted to know

44:20

more, but they didn't want to talk too

44:22

much about it at once. My

44:27

mom replied back to the text

44:30

and this is obviously before she's

44:32

heard our story. She

44:35

replied back to the text and

44:39

she was just like, what are you talking about? The

44:42

situation in the backyard. Her

44:44

friend replied and her friend was

44:47

just like, I'm not exactly

44:49

sure. I

44:51

just, I got this message in my head

44:54

that I need to tell you that I'm

44:56

praying for you regarding the situation in

44:58

your backyard. So

45:02

that story meant nothing to my mom

45:05

at the time that she got it and had that

45:07

conversation with her friend Peggy. She

45:10

didn't know that the rest of us had

45:12

experienced something and were experiencing things, apparently in

45:14

the case of Benjamin in

45:17

the backyard. We had no idea, but

45:20

now that we were up here telling all

45:22

of our stories, all of

45:24

the sudden she has something

45:26

to say and that contributes to

45:28

the story. That's

45:32

kind of the end of the

45:35

story really, but it's

45:38

never been the same there since then.

45:40

It's kind of like we'll still go

45:42

into the woods and stuff and we're

45:44

not scared of the woods,

45:48

but we still joke

45:50

about it. The whole family is just kind

45:52

of like, okay, well, if you're

45:54

going out to the woods, be careful from the

45:56

wind and go, watch out, have your

45:58

wits about you. And it's

46:01

not so much a serious, like,

46:03

be careful of wolves, but it's

46:05

a joke that is kind

46:07

of taken seriously. So

46:10

that's my most recent experience

46:12

with The Unknown. That's wild.

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48:07

I apologize if there's a bunch of like spaces. No

48:10

You did you like I'm sitting I was on the edge

48:12

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48:15

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48:17

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48:19

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48:21

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48:25

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48:29

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48:32

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What's your part? What what episode is that? That

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48:42

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48:44

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48:47

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48:49

Yeah, so This

48:52

experience is so layered

48:54

and What leaves

48:56

me sitting here wondering is And

49:01

not in our yeah wondering but I also

49:03

feel like This

49:05

is probably the situation. Mm-hmm Whatever

49:08

that thing was we can venture into that

49:10

idea in a minute. I Get

49:13

the sense now that I heard this whole story

49:16

that it knew who you were and where

49:18

you were from Because

49:21

it's like your brother your dad

49:24

your mom all All

49:26

this stuff at the house. You were unaware the

49:28

night you went through the experience with your brother

49:30

and friends. So That's

49:33

just my Reaction

49:37

that What are the

49:39

odds that you guys have this wild experience

49:41

go home and find out

49:44

the next day that everybody's having experiences

49:46

at home When this

49:48

thing very well could have been at home

49:52

Followed you out and

49:54

then just came back when you went home it because it knew

49:56

you have to who you were and where you were going It's

49:59

a It's a creepy thought. We've

50:02

never felt anything menacing in the house. That's

50:05

the thing. You don't consider

50:07

the door being opened like that? Menacing? Okay,

50:10

well, yeah, that was pretty creepy. I

50:14

guess I'm referring more to like, we've never heard sounds,

50:17

besides Benjamin, I've never seen anything

50:19

there. But I

50:21

hear your idea and we have,

50:24

so all throughout my childhood, we

50:27

moved around a lot. We're a

50:29

homeschool family living in Missouri, okay? And my

50:31

dad sort of had this situation that

50:36

made it so that we had to

50:39

constantly move. And there

50:41

was one house that we lived in, where,

50:45

and I'm not a huge haunting,

50:47

but I'm a huge haunting, I

50:50

believe in it, but it's not really my MO.

50:53

So I don't focus on that. And

50:55

I don't really consume that kind of content,

50:57

but he would always joke about how he

50:59

had this hitchhiker guy. And

51:04

they called him George. And he would like,

51:06

he did stuff, like

51:10

he would move cups

51:12

or he would open the dishwasher and

51:14

he would just, he would just, he

51:17

would move cups or he would open

51:19

the dishwasher or he would

51:21

open a window or a door and

51:23

like an interior door like stuff like

51:25

that. We would hear him walking

51:28

around upstairs, like stuff like that.

51:31

And we would always just joke. And

51:33

we mainly lived in old houses while I

51:35

was younger. And we would always

51:38

just joke, it's the house, but

51:40

if it's not the house, it's just George, just doing

51:43

George stuff. And my dad at

51:45

one point did allude to the idea

51:47

that he thinks that maybe it follows him around.

51:50

So that's kind of the maybe, but

51:55

this thing felt so creature-like. Absolutely.

52:00

It felt alive. Like it was

52:02

a living... I

52:06

mean, it seemed hungry. You know what I mean? And

52:08

I don't know if that's in a demonic way or

52:11

like a beast way, but it just... It could be

52:13

both. Yeah, I guess

52:15

it could be both, but I don't

52:18

know. I hope that's not the case. I

52:21

hope it's... I mean, you survived this, so who cares at this point

52:23

right now? I hope it's just a passage by, going

52:25

on to the next house in Wisconsin, but I

52:29

don't know, man. I think

52:31

about this being the second time I've told

52:34

this story and I've had time to sort

52:36

of piece it all together and

52:39

sort of shape the memory into something

52:41

cohesive. And I still

52:45

get scared telling the story. So

52:47

that makes me feel like maybe it's not

52:49

just a thing in the woods. Maybe

52:52

it is something that... Maybe

52:55

it's the reason I might feel like something's

52:58

watching me or something. I

53:00

don't know. I

53:03

don't know how to explain it. And when

53:06

I look at it through the lens

53:08

of being realistic, according

53:10

to regular people standards and

53:13

trying to rationalize what it was,

53:16

all of the rational

53:19

explanations don't line up. And

53:22

so all you're left with are

53:24

irrational explanations according to regular everyday

53:27

people. And that's, I'm

53:29

fine with it being that. So

53:31

we're living in a time where what

53:33

you just described is becoming less. We

53:37

are living in a time where the supernatural

53:40

realm is spilling

53:44

over. It's not merging. It's

53:46

not gradually coming. It

53:49

is spilling over. And

53:51

there's gonna be a lot more people... Do

53:55

you know why that's happening? I got

53:57

ideas, buddy. I

53:59

got an idea. it too. Okay, go ahead. So

54:03

this – here's what I think is happening.

54:07

And this kind of goes into that philosophy

54:09

thing. So I'll just give you

54:11

the tip of the iceberg. Just give me a drop. Just give me

54:13

a drop. What I

54:15

think we are experiencing – and I said

54:17

the same thing on my own podcast. I

54:19

said I'm predicting that we're

54:21

going to see a rapid rise

54:24

in cryptid sightings and

54:27

sightings of the unexplainable. And

54:29

that's because you can't understand. And

54:33

not only is it prophesied that that's going to happen,

54:35

but it's also – it's just

54:38

the time. And what I think

54:40

is happening in a scientific sort of way is

54:44

– this goes

54:46

into my portal theory. But two

54:50

dimensions are bleeding.

54:53

And so what you're getting

54:55

is you're getting one dimension. People think

54:58

about portals. I'm getting

55:00

on the portal talk because I'm feeling

55:02

like the next story should be the portal story. But

55:05

the – people

55:08

think about portals as something like a door that

55:10

opens and closes. And I

55:13

think it can. I do think

55:15

it is a portal that – a

55:17

type of portal. There's more than one type of portal.

55:22

I heard you in the last couple episodes

55:24

now talk about how you think books

55:26

might be portals. I

55:29

think that there are portals

55:32

that are inherently biological. And

55:35

what I mean by that is there

55:37

are literal creatures who you

55:40

and I can get proficient firearms. We can

55:42

build a house. We can do a podcast.

55:44

These are inherent abilities that we have and

55:46

we can train ourselves to be better at

55:48

them. We can also

55:50

just eat a wide

55:52

variety of foods and not get sick. This is

55:54

a biological thing we can do. I

55:57

think there are creatures that have yet

55:59

to be discovered. discovered and they

56:02

may be They may

56:04

or like originate on earth unfound

56:07

species We're finding

56:10

new ones all the time. We just found a bird

56:12

that went extinct like Thousands of

56:14

years ago in New Zealand or something

56:16

and we're finding new frogs new sharks

56:18

new lizards new everything so

56:20

I do think that there are sort

56:22

of like the skywell phenomenon there are

56:24

things that Exist

56:27

in the atmosphere that we haven't

56:29

found and exist on earth that

56:31

we haven't found because they have

56:33

this inherent ability It's part of

56:35

their biological code to be able

56:37

to phase in and out because

56:39

they are not This

56:41

isn't their only place So

56:44

that's portal one. I think that portal two

56:47

Is not biological but is

56:49

a doorway that is opened and I think humans

56:52

can do it right now and

56:54

I think that there is a Huge

56:57

push by the global elite to

56:59

make that happen The reason is

57:01

because they are trying to Your

57:05

buddy Joel is gonna hate this but there

57:07

are reasons they're

57:09

working with these Mystery

57:11

Babylon cults and

57:13

I believe that they are trying to bring on

57:16

the end time. Why would you'll hate that? Cisinne

57:18

a mason Not

57:20

practicing okay, he's in rebellion. Well, you

57:22

know when I hear him I pray

57:24

for him I hope he's no he's

57:26

not because when I talk about this

57:29

when I talk about this mason stuff

57:31

I just think about because I know

57:33

a couple masons too. Yeah and Practicing,

57:36

you know, they they show up

57:38

for their participation trophy, but

57:40

like Joel

57:42

doesn't show up anytime good. I'm glad But

57:47

I think that is that is portal two is the

57:50

ones that they open for the purpose

57:52

of Bringing something here. I don't think

57:55

humans can go through I Just

57:58

out of all the things that I've read I

58:00

don't think we can go to the other side yet. But

58:03

when I mentioned before, this third type of portal

58:05

is the bleed. And what it is, is

58:07

it's literally what

58:11

Satan, the forces of evil is

58:13

trying to do to put the

58:17

nail in the coffin on this

58:19

whole earth experience and take it

58:21

over finally. They

58:23

haven't yet because God's still here. We're

58:26

still here. And so they haven't taken

58:28

it over yet. But

58:31

if, obviously this

58:33

is a huge if, this is some science,

58:35

we can't prove this, but me

58:38

with my puny human brain trying to think

58:40

deeply on this stuff and having had a lot

58:42

of time in the

58:44

jungles and whatnot, like thinking about this

58:46

topic for days on end, I

58:49

think there's a bleed happening. And then when people

58:51

talk about the

58:54

veil being thinner or going

58:56

to various locations in the desert where

58:59

weird things are happening that aren't happening

59:01

anywhere else in the world or on

59:03

mountaintops where there's stargates and stuff like

59:06

that, I'll tell you what that is.

59:09

That is the bleed. The veil is thinner there,

59:11

but the veil is actually the dimensional wall. And

59:14

what is happening is they're colliding, they're

59:16

bleeding into each other to the point

59:18

where things can move freely. If

59:22

that can happen on a global level, there's not

59:24

going to be any... People

59:26

will start believing real quick because there's not going

59:28

to be any sort of mystery

59:32

to it. It's not going to be like, oh,

59:34

this weird portal thing in this abandoned building in

59:36

Milwaukee, what the heck was that? No, it's going

59:38

to be like, yeah, you experienced

59:40

the bleed. It's coming through.

59:43

So that's the

59:45

tip of the iceberg on my point. It's fine.

59:48

It's fine. What you just said, though, goes into

59:51

what I... I

59:54

told Jack this this morning. He literally stood there as

59:56

I read this to him. I wrote something down that

59:58

just kind of came to me. are

1:02:00

tools of these fallen ones. They

1:02:02

are weapons and they are here

1:02:05

maliciously and they are here

1:02:09

to observe and they are here

1:02:11

to wait their time and they

1:02:13

get bored and that's when you get the TikTok

1:02:16

videos and stuff like that.

1:02:19

And some of those things are probably

1:02:21

biological creatures as well. But these

1:02:23

aliens and I mean,

1:02:26

just look at in recent history, I know you

1:02:29

don't watch a ton of movies on Netflix and

1:02:31

stuff, but this portal

1:02:33

thing is taken off. Like they,

1:02:36

you're not the first one to talk about portals anymore.

1:02:38

Like I remember when you started talking about portals and

1:02:40

I was like, this guy's on to something here. And

1:02:43

now they're everywhere.

1:02:45

And here's why they are preparing us

1:02:48

for something. That is what the, that

1:02:50

is the purpose of media. At this

1:02:52

point, media is more propaganda than entertainment

1:02:55

and we are just so

1:02:57

desensitized that we like it.

1:03:00

It triggers us. There's little moments that

1:03:02

they put in the movies that

1:03:05

excite us and trigger

1:03:07

our brains, happy mechanism or excited

1:03:09

mechanism or scared, but I like

1:03:11

it mechanism, but everything else is

1:03:14

raw propaganda. And

1:03:16

a lot of that is alluding to

1:03:18

believe in aliens. It's okay. No matter

1:03:20

what, we're still going to beat them

1:03:22

if we fight them or believe in

1:03:24

aliens. They're just going to be these

1:03:26

funny little guys that you can take

1:03:28

on a road trip with you and like, it's

1:03:31

going to be fine. They're here to help us.

1:03:33

They're here to help us. Yeah. Or they are

1:03:35

us. No, they're not. They want us to think

1:03:37

that they want us to

1:03:39

be them. That is, that's the

1:03:42

point. They're experimenting in those instances

1:03:44

on, on people to complete

1:03:47

the genetic splicing,

1:03:50

in my opinion. It's, it's

1:03:53

like the Anunnaki when they

1:03:55

were creating horrendous beasts. I

1:03:58

think that these aliens are kind of, little

1:04:00

worker bees for these

1:04:03

sort of unseen elite. And

1:04:06

with the portal thing, because

1:04:09

of all these strange sightings that we're seeing

1:04:11

all of a sudden and all of the

1:04:14

alien stuff and the UFO stuff

1:04:16

and the increase in cryptid

1:04:18

sightings like that Peru

1:04:20

thing was wild. Did you see that

1:04:23

Peru thing? Yeah. The face peelers.

1:04:25

Like the face peelers? Yeah,

1:04:28

they were like peeling faces off according to

1:04:30

some of the sources. I didn't hear that

1:04:32

part. So these Peruvian guys, these

1:04:37

Peruvian villages being plagued by these face

1:04:40

peeling seven foot tall aliens is what

1:04:42

they said. But

1:04:44

I missed the face peeler part. I

1:04:47

don't think they wanted you to hear

1:04:49

that part because the government of Peru

1:04:51

and the army and then the government of

1:04:53

the USA, they all came out and they

1:04:55

were just like, no, these are miners on

1:04:58

jet packs. I heard that

1:05:00

part. Right. These are just gold miners

1:05:02

on jet packs. It

1:05:04

does make some sense. Having been to the

1:05:06

Amazon a few times, it makes

1:05:08

places rich with gold. It's

1:05:11

a literal treasure trove. The

1:05:15

rumors of cities of gold that

1:05:17

the conquistadors and stuff heard about,

1:05:19

it's probably real except it's

1:05:21

more like mineral deposits. There might actually be

1:05:23

cities, but who knows? My

1:05:26

point is it's not unheard of to

1:05:28

have miners in the woods, in the

1:05:30

jungle, terrorizing villages, but on

1:05:32

jet packs. Anyway,

1:05:36

they all come out and they try to explain it away. The

1:05:40

people in the village are like, no, you just

1:05:43

heard about this and you came in and you

1:05:45

made your assessment and you said what it is

1:05:47

and now nobody's worried about it. But this has

1:05:49

been happening to us for months and

1:05:51

there were instances they reported of

1:05:53

faces literally being peeled off of

1:05:55

people by these things. Now

1:05:58

where are the bodies? I

1:06:00

don't know, I don't know where

1:06:03

the bodies are. If the faces are being peeled

1:06:05

off, you'd think that

1:06:07

person's probably dead, right? Or at

1:06:09

least maimed, like where are the

1:06:11

victims? So I mean, I

1:06:13

didn't read it too far, but yeah, that's the

1:06:15

Peru thing. And

1:06:19

how do we get here? I don't know. Just talking about

1:06:21

how this is one more way they're

1:06:25

desensitizing us. If they can bring in

1:06:27

these horrifying stories. And nobody cares about

1:06:29

it. And nobody cares, or they care

1:06:31

for one day, they get their hype

1:06:33

off on TikTok, and then it's over.

1:06:37

And I was listening to Joe

1:06:39

Rogan yesterday, and I don't

1:06:42

know if you heard one of his most recent

1:06:44

interviews, he's talking to some of these guys who

1:06:46

were in charge of sort of, I

1:06:50

wish I remembered who they were, but they

1:06:53

reported on and had

1:06:55

a contact with Grush. So they knew the whole

1:06:57

story, and they kind

1:06:59

of facilitated the whole release of

1:07:02

all that information. They kind of paved

1:07:04

the way for him. And they said that all

1:07:06

of that stuff is real. And

1:07:14

they said the only way that, they

1:07:18

asked Joe, what would you do? What

1:07:23

would convince you? And Joe answered the way that all of

1:07:25

us would answer. And

1:07:27

he kind of said, I guess I'd have

1:07:29

to see it with my own eyes. Yeah,

1:07:31

literally, like I can't see it on a screen. He's

1:07:35

like, I guess what would have to happen if these

1:07:38

things would have to just show up in my airspace

1:07:40

and just not leave for days at a time. And

1:07:42

just hover over our city and sort of just prove

1:07:44

it to me. That's

1:07:47

how desensitized we are. This stuff used

1:07:49

to be shocking. Like back in the

1:07:51

first days of alien movies and stuff like that, this

1:07:53

stuff was crazy. Did you ever see

1:07:55

signs with Mel? Gibson

1:08:00

of course that movie shook the world like

1:08:02

shook me it's me too man that alien

1:08:04

walked we walked by the doorframe on the

1:08:07

TV same reaction Was

1:08:09

his name Merrill or something? Yeah, like he freaked out.

1:08:11

I freaked out That's

1:08:16

the way it used to be and

1:08:18

I couldn't look at it. I know I could

1:08:20

look at it I mean, I heard the crap

1:08:22

out of me I rewinded it a couple times

1:08:24

like after I'd already seen movie five times because

1:08:26

I was like I gotta see it I gotta

1:08:28

see it and it just that's my point though

1:08:30

It was so exciting and amazing and just novel

1:08:33

and now all the sudden like yawn Exactly.

1:08:37

That's the point man I

1:08:39

and I'm the same I'm literally in

1:08:41

that yawn category Like like

1:08:44

like this like you're talking about the

1:08:46

face peeler stuff. You clearly looked at

1:08:48

it I looked at it through the scope

1:08:51

of so many people talking to me about

1:08:53

it You know like when

1:08:55

when this stuff happens, there's

1:08:57

so many times and like well We'll just you know because I got

1:08:59

a lot going on So I'm just like well

1:09:01

We'll just wait and see if it has teeth and I

1:09:03

know it has teeth when people keep coming at going at

1:09:05

going at it You know, yeah But

1:09:08

back, you know in the day and

1:09:10

stuff like anything you're like what wait what and it's

1:09:12

a cop It's a conversation for two days. Yeah, you

1:09:14

go to lunch and you're on to the next thing.

1:09:16

Yeah, but you know, I Had

1:09:20

a point that I was gonna make about that bit There

1:09:22

was a movie that came out

1:09:25

recently called nope. Did you see nope? Nope

1:09:28

was the UFO or the biological UFO and

1:09:30

the crowd you I did watch that. Yeah,

1:09:32

what'd you think of that movie? I

1:09:34

thought it was Real

1:09:38

okay. Yeah, I was gonna rephrase it and

1:09:40

just be like not the movie the movie

1:09:42

is one thing But what did you the

1:09:44

biological UFO? Yeah, yeah, yeah No, it's real

1:09:47

and that was the first time that they

1:09:49

put that out Yeah That's why that movie

1:09:51

was shocking because when everybody else watched this

1:09:53

movie and the reviews came in and the

1:09:55

critics had their Way with it. The movie

1:09:57

itself was kind of Like

1:10:00

that's kind of the consensus. But

1:10:03

the shocking part was a brand new idea.

1:10:05

I was just going to say it was

1:10:07

a new idea. But it's not new because

1:10:09

it's out there. It's real. What's

1:10:12

crazy is that Justin from

1:10:14

Cryptids of the Corn podcast, he's a

1:10:16

biologist and he talks about the

1:10:19

reality of what lives in the sky. And he talked

1:10:21

about before NOPE came out. So

1:10:23

I heard that before NOPE came

1:10:25

out, I'm obsessed with his ideas on

1:10:27

it. I heard him on

1:10:29

your podcast first, but I heard him talk

1:10:32

about that and I was just blown away.

1:10:34

It was like my eyes opened. He starts

1:10:36

talking about fungus and stuff, right? Yeah. And

1:10:39

I was just like, this dude. Bob

1:10:41

was the mushroom, the big giant mushroom. When

1:10:44

I heard that, I was like, this is genius. And then

1:10:46

I saw NOPE and I was just like, this is real.

1:10:49

This is happening right now. And yeah. Oh

1:10:52

yeah, our text thread was kind of crazy. It

1:10:54

was like, what? They

1:10:57

stole that from me. Joel was freaking out,

1:10:59

of course. Joel gets so excited about stuff.

1:11:02

He's like, oh, it's happening. He'll

1:11:04

run around the room. Was he

1:11:06

more upset that they took his idea? Did

1:11:08

he feel validated? There's no taking

1:11:11

ideas, man. It's all fair game. Nobody's

1:11:16

doing anything new under the sun. And

1:11:18

it is what it is. But

1:11:21

no, if anybody wants to

1:11:24

hear a deep dive into the

1:11:26

understanding of the idea of biological

1:11:28

UFOs in the sky that live

1:11:30

there. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

1:11:36

So yeah, shout out to them. Plug. And

1:11:38

also plug 21 CD podcast. We're

1:11:40

sitting here. We're sitting here in studio with

1:11:42

John from 21 CD podcast. He

1:11:45

just shared a story that they shared on their

1:11:47

very first episode. If you want to hear him

1:11:49

and his brother tell that story and his brother's

1:11:51

vantage point, check out 21 CD podcast

1:11:53

now. Thank you. Thank you

1:11:55

very much. Absolutely. Let's

1:11:59

bring it back because. Like we can get into

1:12:01

the I don't want to get too far into

1:12:03

the NPC theory because that goes in the

1:12:05

portals and then you mentioned about how that goes into Armageddon

1:12:07

and I'm just like all about that And you're like, I

1:12:09

don't know if you're gonna like this. I'm like, bro, you

1:12:12

even know me I

1:12:14

know I probably spoke to you soon There's

1:12:18

many times we were prepping to start the recording and

1:12:20

you said something look over check I'm like does this

1:12:22

guy even know where he's at like this is the

1:12:25

first time I'm able to let the crazy talk out

1:12:27

bro Like I told you like I tried to do

1:12:29

this on my own podcast and I got literally

1:12:31

crucified for it So I could very bad

1:12:33

introduction to podcast being crazy alone in a

1:12:35

room is very lonely Okay, you got to

1:12:37

be with the crazy when you want to

1:12:39

be crazy. So here you welcome. Welcome home.

1:12:41

Thank you I'm waiting

1:12:43

for you. So So

1:12:46

let's kind of bring it back to the

1:12:48

the first story you shared here. Yeah. Okay,

1:12:50

then I'm gonna little there Yeah, we definitely

1:12:52

did but I want

1:12:55

to talk about the eye shine you were

1:12:57

talking about okay because Especially

1:13:00

now that I have all the information

1:13:02

behind this story. Mm-hmm. Do

1:13:04

you think it was eye shine or do you think

1:13:06

it was illuminating? eyes It's

1:13:09

a good question What

1:13:12

makes it a great question is the fact that you would

1:13:15

think that you would still see it when he shined the

1:13:17

light back and That's always

1:13:19

the part that trips me up because even if it

1:13:21

was there what what dad's eyes closed You know, like

1:13:23

why are we not now seeing eyeshine? So

1:13:26

it looked like shine I

1:13:28

can say that with the utmost confidence It looked Have

1:13:31

you ever gone like deer spotting or something?

1:13:34

Mm-hmm It looks like when you shine your

1:13:36

light into the field to look for the

1:13:38

deer and their eyes beam back at

1:13:40

you That's what it looked like color

1:13:42

was white. Yeah, I was like that weird

1:13:46

That weird marbly white. Mm-hmm. Yeah not

1:13:49

red, but it was It

1:13:53

was gonna be illuminated it

1:13:55

would have been that sort of what color

1:13:57

would you call that like fluorescent white sort of

1:14:00

marbled white color and I

1:14:02

had pupils it never blinks you

1:14:04

could see the pupils you could see the pupils and

1:14:06

it never blinked so the eyes were

1:14:08

just Wide open staring

1:14:11

they were slightly oval like I say

1:14:13

wide open but they were oval and

1:14:15

shaped like like a basic

1:14:17

eyeball like a human eyeball and Yeah,

1:14:22

saw the pupils big big eyes

1:14:24

big pupils and never

1:14:27

blinked So what are the?

1:14:31

And remember we're in the house of weird now. So What

1:14:35

are the odds that this was something that was?

1:14:39

in your mind Let me

1:14:41

put it this way. I don't want to say odds In

1:14:44

your mind is it possible that this

1:14:46

was something that does do the back

1:14:48

and forth between? Realms.

1:14:50

Yeah, no 100% I

1:14:55

Think it may have left when we lost

1:14:57

contact with so I was gone. So like

1:15:00

I definitely think that I Call

1:15:04

those things phasers because they phase in and out so

1:15:06

I think that it I think it

1:15:08

was definitely a phaser where it was Coming in

1:15:11

saw us and then went out

1:15:13

and that's kind of why I didn't immediately latch on to

1:15:15

the thing that might follow The family or something or come

1:15:17

from the house and stuff. It could

1:15:19

it could just as easily be both but

1:15:22

I Did get the feeling

1:15:24

that when it was gone. It was gone gone

1:15:27

wasn't coming back when we were fleeing up the

1:15:29

the hill we were scared because we were turning

1:15:31

our backs on where it was but It

1:15:35

was gone. You know what? I mean? We didn't

1:15:37

see it anymore. We didn't hear it It's like

1:15:39

it vaporized it vanished into thin air. So we

1:15:41

I Think it could

1:15:43

have so are used are you suggesting that you

1:15:46

personally maybe in your gut feel like what you

1:15:48

experienced that night is Different than what was going

1:15:50

on at the house No,

1:15:52

I think it's the same thing same thing. So your brother

1:15:55

experienced what you experienced out in the woods only at the

1:15:57

house my

1:15:59

little little brother Benjamin. Yeah, he experienced it while he

1:16:02

was laying in bed and looking out the window

1:16:04

at night. He was just walked

1:16:06

by because it probably phased in.

1:16:12

So how is it gone gone? I

1:16:16

mean like when it disappeared, when AJ took

1:16:18

his light off. So you mean

1:16:20

like in that scenario situation you found yourself in, it

1:16:22

wasn't coming back to the woods where you're standing. It

1:16:25

wasn't gone gone as in like leaving you

1:16:27

alone forever. No. No,

1:16:30

I just mean that evening, I think

1:16:32

it moved on to greener pastures. It

1:16:34

went somewhere else. And

1:16:38

I've camped in those woods before. I

1:16:40

camped with my dog. I have a big German

1:16:43

Shepherd and she loves to go camping

1:16:45

with me. And I

1:16:48

took my dog down there and camped before

1:16:50

all of this happened. And

1:16:52

I've camped all over the world. And

1:16:55

those woods in

1:16:57

rural Wisconsin, those

1:16:59

specific woods, like I've camped Kettle,

1:17:01

Moraine in Wisconsin, everywhere.

1:17:04

And the North woods

1:17:06

were, I think I had a UFO experience but

1:17:09

can't really build on that too much. But they

1:17:12

are different. I

1:17:15

don't know. I

1:17:18

think things can be made into a vessel for

1:17:20

the beyond. And

1:17:24

Wisconsin is notorious for like Indian

1:17:26

burial mounds that have just been

1:17:28

uprooted. We have a huge

1:17:31

Native American culture there. And is

1:17:34

that possible? I think

1:17:36

so. I think that something could have been

1:17:38

disturbed. And if there's something that needs, you

1:17:41

know how like we talk about like the flesh puppet or

1:17:44

the flesh suit? I think the

1:17:46

same thing can be, I

1:17:48

think these entities can attach

1:17:50

to legends and monsters and things like

1:17:52

that. And that becomes their identity. They

1:17:54

may be spiritual. We can't see them

1:17:57

with our own eyes. But if they

1:17:59

attach... to something, we can see that. I

1:18:02

think it's completely possible that that's kind of

1:18:05

a situation. I've always sort of attributed it

1:18:07

to the land. It's connected to the land

1:18:09

somehow. And that's why I bring

1:18:11

up like the Native American lore, because a lot

1:18:13

of that stuff is related to the land and

1:18:15

how it's been disturbed. Being on

1:18:18

the Fox River, pretty big river,

1:18:20

pretty abused river too. And you can actually

1:18:22

take it anywhere in the world. Where

1:18:25

my dad's property is, he

1:18:27

can go to the ocean on this river.

1:18:29

So it connects to the whole world. And

1:18:32

it's kind of a crazy thought because it's just

1:18:35

a little river. But when it

1:18:37

opens up into that kind of space,

1:18:41

that's a lot of room for something to travel down the

1:18:43

river on. That's a lot of space

1:18:45

for something. The water never forgets

1:18:47

too. It's

1:18:51

permanent. That waterway has been there

1:18:53

forever. Who

1:18:56

knows how far back? And that

1:18:58

thing is like a reservoir for

1:19:00

memories and lost time. Everything

1:19:03

that has ever happened on that river is

1:19:05

still there. Maybe

1:19:07

it attached to some Native American... Maybe

1:19:11

it was a skin locker. Maybe it was a Wendigo. You

1:19:13

know what I mean? So when I

1:19:15

talk about these phasers coming in and out, and

1:19:19

in this particular situation, I

1:19:21

think this is a situation, something

1:19:23

evil attached to something that was

1:19:26

already made up and

1:19:29

now lives there. That's what I think it

1:19:31

is. As I

1:19:33

was talking about, when

1:19:35

I took my dog camping there, she couldn't stay down

1:19:37

there. That was another red flag

1:19:39

for me, but I didn't have this whole

1:19:41

story yet. I had to bring her back

1:19:43

to the house because she was freaking out

1:19:45

in the woods. And

1:19:47

I'm not a quitter. So I went back

1:19:49

down there and I camped out there and

1:19:51

it was just the most horrifying experience I've ever

1:19:54

had camping in my parents' woods of

1:19:56

all places. So that

1:19:58

being said, that's why I... I don't think it's

1:20:00

gone. I think it is somehow connected to

1:20:02

the land. If I had

1:20:05

to really put something to it, I would

1:20:07

say it's something from beyond, some sort of

1:20:09

mythical spiritual creature that

1:20:11

has attached itself to

1:20:14

something rooted in North American Indian

1:20:16

lore. That's honestly

1:20:18

what I would say. It's

1:20:20

really interesting. I

1:20:23

think you said a lot of things there that I

1:20:26

personally, but I'm sure other people have as

1:20:28

well, felt inside, but

1:20:31

the way you articulated it, I don't

1:20:34

think I ever have been

1:20:36

able to do. So it's really interesting.

1:20:41

So given the foundation that you've laid

1:20:44

with this and

1:20:46

how you view it, what

1:20:50

do you think, so like

1:20:52

we talked about the eyes dropping

1:20:54

down and the idea of like it being

1:20:56

in a runner stance. Do

1:20:59

you think that that was a necessity in order

1:21:01

to, if it wanted to get you, or do you

1:21:03

think it could have just blinked and been right in

1:21:05

your face? You

1:21:08

see what I'm saying? Like there's certain things

1:21:10

that, and maybe the eyes and that whole

1:21:12

thing, maybe it wasn't a runner stance, but

1:21:14

if it was a runner stance, because all

1:21:17

we're doing is theorizing, we don't know. But

1:21:21

if it was a runner stance, it

1:21:24

almost suggests that it has a

1:21:26

need to

1:21:28

act in a physical manner to

1:21:30

get a desired result. Well,

1:21:33

this goes back to what we talked about earlier with the

1:21:36

sort of bleed effect from

1:21:39

dimension to dimension. I think some

1:21:41

of these things are biological in

1:21:43

a way as well. And so

1:21:45

if this is

1:21:47

the same thing that walked in front of my brother's window, why

1:21:50

is it walking in front of a window? Why

1:21:52

is it being seen in front of a window at all? So

1:21:55

That tells me it does seem to

1:21:57

need to walk in some way. Doesn't.

1:22:00

Seem like a you know like you select

1:22:02

sir of a blank into motion. I get

1:22:04

what you're saying like why would it be

1:22:06

like us ah disappear yeah like teleports yeah

1:22:08

from when I was when other great is

1:22:10

why would you do like. Something.

1:22:13

Like that. I don't know

1:22:15

that kind of that combined with

1:22:17

the. The. I sign and the

1:22:19

three different positions that we saw that

1:22:21

I didn't actually see it going to

1:22:24

run or stance, but. Those.

1:22:26

Three different positions and then also the

1:22:28

growl tells me this thing has a

1:22:30

body like this thing is has. At

1:22:33

least to some extent. A. Measure

1:22:35

of less to it. And.

1:22:37

I don't know if that's. It's.

1:22:42

Flesh. or if that's. The.

1:22:45

Spirit. Attached to the thing you

1:22:47

know? and I mean, I don't know. What

1:22:50

it is but I do think that it it would

1:22:52

have to run to get me if i look at

1:22:54

look back at it. You know

1:22:56

what you're talking about though. The only

1:22:59

thing I can for this post is

1:23:01

hop My memory is that video that

1:23:03

reference quite often. About. That

1:23:05

guy in Florida who had caught a

1:23:07

dog man on video his lives. They

1:23:10

dancing was metaphysical is

1:23:12

it was translucent. For.

1:23:15

Yet it was running. But

1:23:17

you could see through. And. It was large

1:23:19

and is deafening canine. On. His

1:23:22

hind legs. And so eager had these

1:23:24

different properties. You know this is like in

1:23:26

in one moment of of the blink of

1:23:28

an I missing his physical or these peers

1:23:30

be physical. Is. Doing things that

1:23:33

we know physical things in this realm would

1:23:35

do, but yet it's body itself. Was.

1:23:38

Translucent in certain spots. To

1:23:40

very insistent that is really interesting and.

1:23:44

That. That. Will only

1:23:47

further is my opinion that this is.

1:23:50

A biological entity in this is

1:23:52

something that has an ability. That.

1:23:55

We, as humans tend not. grass

1:23:57

gets out of our ability to.

1:24:00

Because. We've. Never experienced it. We

1:24:02

can't point to any creature on the planet

1:24:04

that can do it. We can't do it.

1:24:06

We can even do it with all of

1:24:08

our technology Really. So it's kind of like.

1:24:12

This could be something. That.

1:24:15

Either comes from somewhere else stays

1:24:17

in phases out. Or.

1:24:19

It's literally from here, but it's a species

1:24:22

we haven't found a swim thumb bigfoot stuff.

1:24:24

You know again, it's this is. these

1:24:26

are things that have properties to them

1:24:29

that are not monkeys in the woods

1:24:31

type deals. These aren't wild dogs, he's

1:24:33

aren't lake. These. Creatures that you

1:24:35

can shoot. I literally believe you can't

1:24:37

kill them. At. Because there's no

1:24:40

way that weeks until them. Yet I

1:24:42

think we will get the ability to

1:24:44

kill them. But I don't think that

1:24:46

we and our current state income tax

1:24:48

in assists try to read her service.

1:24:50

kill him a hanger like that. Yes,

1:24:52

spiritual meant like I'd you know what

1:24:54

I mean. Like I don't. Ah

1:24:58

boy, we're going it. I know or not, I

1:25:00

don't want to get into a yes or hideaway.

1:25:02

I don't it as spew because I I could

1:25:04

see how it's going to just go back. Afford

1:25:06

all over the place, you know? Let.

1:25:08

Me: Let me finish and then if you're

1:25:10

going, close it out, I think that there

1:25:12

will come a point. Where.

1:25:16

The weaponry will be provided. And

1:25:19

miss coming very soon. It's coming very

1:25:21

soon. But. We as

1:25:24

humans. And unfortunately,

1:25:26

we as christians. Forget.

1:25:30

That. There is a real

1:25:32

war going on. A

1:25:34

date with casualties like

1:25:36

things are dying. And.

1:25:38

So. Where

1:25:42

Is it? It's

1:25:44

here. But. Know it's. It's.

1:25:47

In. This phase world. It's what David

1:25:49

Ross was talking about in a sense.

1:25:51

When he some of these Nh eyes

1:25:53

he said they're here, but they're not

1:25:55

exactly. yeah yeah no i mean

1:25:57

he's The

1:26:00

reason he was so weird might

1:26:02

be because he was horrified. Not

1:26:05

because he didn't necessarily know what he could

1:26:07

or couldn't say. Or he just doesn't totally

1:26:09

understand because he has the proper lenses to

1:26:11

look at it. It's very possible to. But

1:26:13

us podcasters, we have the proper lenses. Oh

1:26:15

yeah, expert. Just

1:26:17

saying, David. You

1:26:21

know, I want to call me sometime, buddy. Have

1:26:23

a seat at the confessionals table and we can

1:26:25

really help educate you on what

1:26:28

you're experiencing with this whole

1:26:30

whistleblower nonsense. Yeah, news flash, you

1:26:32

can't kill him. Well,

1:26:36

I can try. Listen,

1:26:39

if I'm out in the woods and

1:26:42

I got a dog man peering down at me, I'm

1:26:44

going to at least try. You have to try.

1:26:47

The goal is head or neck. That's

1:26:49

my philosophy right now. And also just don't sleep with

1:26:51

your butt in the air. You

1:26:54

got those three things going, you're good. I'm

1:26:58

just going to let that

1:27:00

one roll. Anyways,

1:27:04

but yeah, so the

1:27:07

running stance, let me take it back to

1:27:09

a normal conversation. Right. Normal.

1:27:12

The running stance. What I find

1:27:14

interesting about your experience is that

1:27:16

you didn't see the thing. You

1:27:19

saw the eyes, which is part of the thing. But

1:27:24

a couple of the characteristics you described,

1:27:26

the running stance, the deep

1:27:28

growl, the

1:27:32

way it operated, man,

1:27:35

and we were talking about this earlier, but it reminds

1:27:37

me of Wes's experience. Wes got a

1:27:39

chance to actually see these things. Scary.

1:27:43

Yeah. But

1:27:46

you're describing very similar things as to what

1:27:48

he experienced and what other people have shared.

1:27:53

And what everybody says, including yourself,

1:27:56

in one way or another, is when

1:27:58

they experience creatures or

1:28:01

things, entities, whatever they are, it's

1:28:04

not natural. It's

1:28:06

not natural. When I talk to a lady

1:28:08

on the show, I forget what episode it

1:28:10

was, it was like 299. I

1:28:12

called it the spider crawl. I didn't know what else to call it.

1:28:15

Like she's talking about seeing

1:28:17

a creature on Mount Hood. She's

1:28:21

going out to depict mushrooms and she sees

1:28:23

it punching down on all these

1:28:25

down trees, so it's just all these down trees

1:28:27

and mushrooms growing on. She thought it

1:28:29

was somebody in a hoodie. And she's like,

1:28:31

dang. And then things stood up and looked at her and

1:28:34

she said it was huge. But what happened that

1:28:36

was so unnatural was it got

1:28:38

down on all four, torso

1:28:42

facing up to the sky, keeping its head

1:28:44

facing her and walked backwards up the hill.

1:28:47

That's not natural. Nope. That's

1:28:49

not natural. Yeah, and- No, that's

1:28:51

crazy. And I met her in Washington. We were

1:28:54

shooting the documentary and stuff. We have, she's

1:28:56

gonna be in the documentary telling that story. And

1:29:00

we tried getting to the location and luck

1:29:02

has it, twice now. I

1:29:05

was in the desert of Utah and I was in Washington

1:29:07

state and we got snow, of

1:29:09

course. And we

1:29:11

were driving an RV that we were renting and

1:29:14

it got so bad, I was like, we

1:29:17

can't keep going to the scene. So

1:29:20

we had to come back down to more, less

1:29:23

elevation and find a spot that

1:29:25

was similar that she could kind of go out and explain. One.

1:29:30

Just one of them. Actually, so

1:29:34

on that episode, she didn't

1:29:37

say she saw two. When

1:29:39

we were talking, she saw one there,

1:29:41

but she had another experience where she

1:29:43

wasn't sure what she saw, but it

1:29:46

was very large. So

1:29:48

it's funny because she does not want

1:29:51

to say Bigfoot. She doesn't wanna say

1:29:53

what it is. So

1:29:55

she's like, this is what I experienced. And you're like, you're

1:29:57

taking me to the water, but you're just not drinking it.

1:30:01

But she saw something cross, I think it

1:30:03

was railroad tracks and it was carrying, I

1:30:05

think a tree underneath its

1:30:07

arm. And she's like-

1:30:10

The same creature? A

1:30:12

different creature. Different day, different scenario. It's just

1:30:14

the outdoorsy person and her, I think as

1:30:16

she said it was her and her boyfriend,

1:30:19

were walking the tracks and

1:30:21

this thing just went. Hey man, Washington is

1:30:23

a crazy place. Crazy. Yeah, it's wild out

1:30:26

there. Crazy. I lived out there for a little while.

1:30:28

I had no idea. I've

1:30:33

been in the woods considerably throughout my

1:30:35

life. Okay? And

1:30:37

people, when I say that, I think people

1:30:39

are like, Philadelphia, no, listen. First

1:30:42

of all, I never lived in Philly.

1:30:44

I lived just outside the city and

1:30:46

I was raised in No Man's Land,

1:30:48

Pennsylvania. Okay? The Northeast is crazy. I

1:30:51

moved towards the city when I was in college. I

1:30:54

spent a lot of time in the woods. And

1:30:56

when I went to Washington, those

1:31:00

woods are different. They're ancient. Like

1:31:02

they're- Those things are on

1:31:04

another level. I mean, it's a rainforest.

1:31:07

It's crazy out there. The shot, what

1:31:09

you just said, the shots will depict

1:31:11

that. It is beautiful.

1:31:14

Oh yeah. But you feel like you're

1:31:16

in another country. Oh, it's haunting. It's like another planet. It's

1:31:18

like you're in the upside down. Absolutely.

1:31:20

That's the way- Just like vines coming

1:31:22

down. Just like the moss hanging out

1:31:24

the trees. Just like the soundtrack of

1:31:26

the stranger's things that like, dung, dung,

1:31:29

dung. You know, like what those vampires

1:31:31

are, right? No,

1:31:34

talk to me though. Cause this is

1:31:36

interesting. No, I know. It's not that

1:31:38

it's, well,

1:31:41

it's a Twilight joke. Oh. Ha

1:31:43

ha ha ha ha ha. You

1:31:47

just lost 50 listeners. Moving on. You

1:31:49

just lost 50 listeners. Ha ha ha ha ha. Moving

1:31:53

on. But yeah, so

1:31:55

yeah, anyways, Washington, it is bonkers.

1:31:57

And the vampires are real though, bro.

1:32:00

Oh, absolutely. Okay, cool. I

1:32:02

don't know if they're in Washington. I'm

1:32:05

sure they are. I'm sure they are. Why wouldn't they be?

1:32:07

I've heard they're in Vegas, right? Or LA? 29 Palms,

1:32:10

Joshua Tree. Yeah, of course. Why not, right?

1:32:12

Right. Take a little hitchhike up north and

1:32:14

you're good. They're definitely on military bases, too.

1:32:17

100%. Because military bases...

1:32:19

They're probably locked in cages on military

1:32:21

bases. Man, I never saw any. I wish I would

1:32:23

have. What base were you on?

1:32:26

So, you recently did

1:32:28

another episode. Tell me Fort Campbell. No.

1:32:31

Oh. I was on Fort

1:32:33

Wachuka, Hawaii. Okay. Is that

1:32:35

the one that Nick was on? Oh, I'm sorry. Fort Wachuka is

1:32:37

in Arizona. That's where I started.

1:32:40

And then I went to Schofield

1:32:42

Barracks in Hawaii. And yes, that's where you're...

1:32:44

I don't know if he was on... I

1:32:46

kept listening and tried to hear where he...

1:32:48

what base he said he was on, but

1:32:50

we were on the same island. Mm. Okay.

1:32:52

His stuff is completely validated. Hawaii is a

1:32:54

beast. There's... I

1:32:57

mean, it's ancient. First of all, it's a

1:32:59

country. It's a foreign country. It's a foreign land. And

1:33:03

though I didn't experience anything weird and

1:33:06

I explored that island to its fullest, I

1:33:09

know that the locals have a lot of...

1:33:11

the legends he was saying are true. Yeah. You

1:33:13

can feel the magic, but... Magical

1:33:16

places, man. Magical places. I'm

1:33:18

in the hunt

1:33:20

for magical places. I... You

1:33:23

walk into an area and you just know this

1:33:25

place is magical. You want to see some elves?

1:33:28

I can tell you where to see some elves. Yeah. Do I have

1:33:31

to go over to Atlantic? Yes. You

1:33:33

have to go to Iceland. All

1:33:35

right. Tell me about it. I'm not going, though. Do

1:33:38

you want this to be the next thing?

1:33:40

Yeah. Yeah. Actually, you know what? Let's talk

1:33:42

about the elves and then we'll wind it

1:33:44

down because... This is a quick story. Oh,

1:33:46

okay. Cool. Cool. So the

1:33:48

elves of Iceland... So my brother and

1:33:50

I, some other friends, we were not

1:33:53

friends. Never talked to them again, but

1:33:55

we all went to Iceland on

1:33:57

a whim. We just got on an airplane and went. And

1:34:00

we were there in September near

1:34:02

the end of September. So rainy season was starting and

1:34:09

Say rainy but it's winter and We're

1:34:13

winding down it's getting to the end of the trip

1:34:16

and we had experienced all sorts of

1:34:18

magical stuff Iceland is bizarre It's just

1:34:20

it's the craziest place I've ever been

1:34:22

on the planet. It's just

1:34:25

Insane it's saying something for you. It's

1:34:28

I mean I can't it leaves me speechless

1:34:30

just thinking about I have hundreds

1:34:32

of photos that I took while I was there and They

1:34:36

are just you can't put it in it looks

1:34:38

fake it looks like

1:34:40

it's just volcanic mountains and

1:34:42

massive glaciers and crystal clear

1:34:44

glacier pools and Rivers

1:34:47

that are like bizarre the biggest

1:34:50

waterfall in Europe is in Iceland.

1:34:52

It's It's

1:34:55

Massive like you can't even it's bigger

1:34:57

than Niagara Falls I think it's like

1:34:59

far as height goes or something like

1:35:01

that, but it's the biggest waterfall in

1:35:03

Europe and they have

1:35:06

legends in every crooked cranny

1:35:08

Norse legends in Iceland and I

1:35:11

don't know how you feel about lowercase g gods, but

1:35:13

there's a couple of them in ice. I read Psalm

1:35:16

82 so okay, well, there's

1:35:18

there's a couple of them out there and and Anyway,

1:35:24

that's the backdrop. So we're getting ready to fly out

1:35:26

or flying out the next day we're gonna do one

1:35:28

more camping trip because all we do is camp we

1:35:30

don't stay in hotels and so we We

1:35:33

were camping on this this place It's

1:35:37

called thing Valir is

1:35:40

how you would say it's written in Norse so it

1:35:42

doesn't look like that, but it translates to that if

1:35:44

we were to speak it in English and and

1:35:47

This place is basically the birthplace

1:35:49

of democracy for Iceland So it

1:35:52

is their hallowed ground for everything

1:35:54

that they know Iceland to be

1:35:57

and it has been used for hundreds of years

1:36:00

as Their

1:36:02

place of judgment so they would pass

1:36:04

judgments here. They would solve conflicts here

1:36:07

in civilized manners

1:36:10

so when the Danes came over

1:36:12

to bring Christianity to this pagan

1:36:14

Norse Iceland, they did

1:36:17

so extremely violently and if

1:36:20

you were not going to convert to Christianity

1:36:23

they were just going to kill you and

1:36:26

so There's

1:36:29

this place in Thingvalir. It's Really

1:36:31

insane that they used thing of the lir

1:36:33

as the place for this, but

1:36:36

this is where they would massacre Icelanders

1:36:38

who weren't going to convert and

1:36:41

so there have been burnings here. There have been beheadings

1:36:46

sometimes they would throw them off of the

1:36:48

cliffs because there's there's a river and then

1:36:51

there's a big giant cliff and

1:36:54

And you could throw people into the river. They

1:36:57

figured out and Now

1:37:01

it is a tourist trap

1:37:03

Unfortunately, so when we went there, you

1:37:06

know We had this understanding that we

1:37:08

were on this hallowed ground But

1:37:10

the half a million other people who are

1:37:12

just reading the signs and looking at the

1:37:14

cliff and the waterfall and all that They

1:37:17

weren't experiencing that in the same way that

1:37:19

AJ and I were because we're very we

1:37:21

were there for a reason These

1:37:23

people were just seeing the sights So

1:37:25

we knew that these were killing grounds

1:37:27

and the most iconic part

1:37:30

of Thingvalir is their

1:37:32

drowning pools And

1:37:34

it's this part of the river that opens up.

1:37:36

So it's like a river and then

1:37:39

it mellows out slightly at

1:37:42

the base of this cliff and there's

1:37:44

these pools that are just black

1:37:47

water Like because

1:37:49

they're it's a volcanic riverbed

1:37:52

so it's uh, it's just

1:37:54

black and it's icy cold

1:37:57

And what the Danes would do and what anybody

1:37:59

would do who is passing this

1:38:01

kind of judgment there is

1:38:03

they would tie or chain a

1:38:07

victim's neck to

1:38:09

one end of a

1:38:11

rope and they would drag

1:38:14

them across the pools the

1:38:16

drowning pools and The

1:38:19

purpose of this was to drown them in the middle

1:38:21

it so they would have the ropes on

1:38:23

each end with people pulling on the ropes

1:38:25

and the person would just be dangling drowning

1:38:28

in The middle with their hands and legs,

1:38:30

you know bound and they would drown

1:38:32

there and then they would get pulled out the other side dead

1:38:35

and this happened to a

1:38:37

number of people there and You

1:38:42

remember just a minute ago we were talking

1:38:44

about magical places This

1:38:48

place was one such place and

1:38:50

it transcended beyond I

1:38:53

think that real people High

1:38:55

not NPCs have this

1:38:58

ability to sense a place, but

1:39:01

it is largely Nudered

1:39:04

out of them basically and

1:39:07

they respond in strange ways when they're

1:39:09

in these locations I Went

1:39:13

to Arizona State for sociology. So

1:39:15

I have this way of

1:39:18

looking at and thinking about people and

1:39:21

as a whole I Think that

1:39:23

people can feel magical places and not know what

1:39:26

to do with that So these people's

1:39:28

purpose was to throw money in these pools

1:39:31

and I'm telling you hundreds of

1:39:33

thousands of dollars in this pool

1:39:35

and you can see it all along

1:39:37

the river banks coins all sorts of

1:39:42

Gold and silver coins and

1:39:45

It was to the point where you could

1:39:47

get rich if you if you went there and you

1:39:49

tried to clean that pool out You'd probably you'd

1:39:51

probably come out feeling pretty good The

1:39:54

reason I'm saying this is because a lot

1:39:56

of Icelandic Legends

1:39:58

and lore kind of revolves around. Treasure. I

1:40:02

find it ironic that this is also the

1:40:05

place that we may or may not have

1:40:07

seen else in this magical location. with this

1:40:09

river full of golden coins, So.

1:40:12

Anyway, fast forward. We.

1:40:14

Make a mental note: we're going to come

1:40:16

back to these drowning pools at night when

1:40:18

nobody's here. Were camping in the park so.

1:40:21

Were. The only ones camping in the park because. Only.

1:40:24

Americans be crazy enough to be out here

1:40:26

camping in winter in Iceland. At

1:40:28

seeing the layer. So we're out

1:40:30

here. On Be me and

1:40:32

my brother is. The. Other guys

1:40:34

are pansies so like we we get up in

1:40:37

the middle the night. And we tell

1:40:39

them you know we're we're gonna go. Will

1:40:41

be back again or know when. It's.

1:40:43

About a two mile walk. We

1:40:46

set out completely dark. we don't fly sites or

1:40:48

anything. My brother and I we never bring Fi

1:40:50

sites media. Is is this a

1:40:52

thing that we don't do? And

1:40:54

if we have it is State is kind of in

1:40:56

our pack as a last ditch sort of thing. It's

1:40:58

kind of one of those connect to the earth. Ideas.

1:41:01

But. Ah, I

1:41:04

see the tattoo on top of my head.

1:41:06

this an Icelandic save for seeing in the

1:41:09

dark spike it like saw it were very

1:41:11

connected to the natural way of things and

1:41:13

I. We.

1:41:15

Go There. And we're

1:41:17

walking along the road. Nothing's happening,

1:41:20

is the middle and it's freezing

1:41:22

cold. Visit the stars or a

1:41:24

kind of out by it's it's.

1:41:27

It's. Not like you can point out at the stars.

1:41:29

Me: I gotta look how beautiful the stars are. You

1:41:31

can see the light. There's moonlight. And

1:41:33

we get to this location that we

1:41:36

hadn't previously noticed. During. The

1:41:38

Day and it's this grove of

1:41:40

pine trees and this is very

1:41:42

rare in Iceland Because the vikings

1:41:44

had cut down all the trees

1:41:46

when they first went to Iceland

1:41:48

for their boats and the settlements.

1:41:50

and they had no idea about

1:41:52

deforestation. so. On. been asked to themselves

1:41:54

they crippled the entire country and chop down

1:41:57

all the trees so when you come across

1:41:59

a grove of It's weird.

1:42:02

It's a rare sight and we walk

1:42:04

in through these trip this these trees because it's kind

1:42:06

of like a trail that weaves through it like

1:42:09

an unofficial trail and It's

1:42:13

very clear These are old woods like this

1:42:15

is just these are the type of trees

1:42:17

that look back at you and you walk

1:42:19

through them And it gets so dark that

1:42:21

we can't you know as they say you

1:42:23

can't see your hand in front of your

1:42:25

face it was like that like it was

1:42:27

just pitch black in these trees and So

1:42:31

we leave we just go to the tree line

1:42:33

and we walk along the tree line. We're trying

1:42:35

to get to the drowning pools We're not trying

1:42:37

to get killed in these woods. So we get

1:42:39

to we sort of approach the

1:42:42

trail That's gonna walk us

1:42:45

on the side of the river opposite

1:42:47

the cliff So, you know,

1:42:49

we're walking on this side The river is

1:42:51

between us and the cliffs and

1:42:53

we're on our way to the drowning pools we're

1:43:00

getting closer and closer and as

1:43:04

the cliff starts to come around like

1:43:06

a bend sort of there's

1:43:08

like rock structures on top of the

1:43:11

cliff like volcanic rocks structures and just

1:43:13

pillars that they call elf towers in

1:43:15

Iceland and They are

1:43:17

essentially built by the elves

1:43:19

and they signify that elves live here and

1:43:23

they're natural they're not built they're natural and

1:43:26

and The

1:43:28

idea is that they kind of bubble

1:43:31

its lava that long ago bubbled out

1:43:33

of the earth through like holes in

1:43:35

this Ground I guess and

1:43:38

they make these sort of little pillars.

1:43:40

Okay, so there's those and there's just

1:43:42

piles of rocks and stuff It's a

1:43:44

scraggly cliff top. We're probably talking. I

1:43:47

don't know 60 60 feet tall and We're

1:43:51

looking We can look

1:43:54

up to the top of the cliff So

1:43:56

we're getting close to these drowning pools and

1:43:58

we're just kind of like scanning the

1:44:01

the cliff top and When

1:44:04

we get to the pools, we're sort of

1:44:06

looking in we're seeing the moonlight glisten off

1:44:09

all the coins on the bottom And the

1:44:11

water is pitch black and it's

1:44:13

just the coldest water you can ever feel an

1:44:15

absolutely pure you could drink that water and There's

1:44:20

movement like I sense a

1:44:22

flicker of movement up on

1:44:24

top of the cliff and and

1:44:27

It's like something that jumped

1:44:29

from one elf tower one rock outcropping to

1:44:31

the next a

1:44:34

trick of the eye. I don't know and

1:44:37

so I'm just now it's

1:44:39

paying attention though, so I'm looking like

1:44:41

I'm awake now and I'm

1:44:45

looking and I see another one and Then

1:44:49

I see two or three of them and at this

1:44:51

time I'm slapping my brother and I'm like, dude, do

1:44:53

you see that? and

1:44:55

like am I like Just

1:44:58

losing it here and and you know, like your eyes can

1:45:00

play tricks on you if you look at things directly in

1:45:02

the dark so you have to use your peripheral and Scientifically,

1:45:06

that's because in science fancy

1:45:08

terms you are actually

1:45:10

able to see better in the dark with your peripheral

1:45:12

and So

1:45:14

we're kind of like scanning like this to

1:45:17

try to like see what we're seeing

1:45:19

up here Five

1:45:22

ten fifteen of these things jumping

1:45:24

in between the right they look

1:45:26

like apes and like so we were

1:45:30

frozen solid down here and

1:45:33

up above us these things have the high

1:45:35

ground and they Obviously see us and every

1:45:37

now and then they look

1:45:41

independently because they're all their own little creature,

1:45:43

but they stop and they're like Peek

1:45:46

out from behind a pillar. We'll peek out

1:45:48

from behind the rock outcropping and then all of

1:45:50

a sudden They'll just dart to the next one

1:45:53

this happened for three to five minutes

1:45:55

and We

1:45:57

actually left before it stopped Because

1:46:00

it was getting to the point where

1:46:02

they were very aware of our presence

1:46:05

and Obviously

1:46:07

we were all too aware of their presence. So we

1:46:09

were like This is not this

1:46:12

is not on my bingo card for the

1:46:14

night So I'm I'm heading out and

1:46:16

we as slowly and quietly as we

1:46:18

could just literally

1:46:21

Baby walked out of there and

1:46:24

by that would be kind of got Further

1:46:27

down next to the trees. We sprinted

1:46:29

but the rest of the two miles we sprinted

1:46:31

back to camp But that's

1:46:33

my off experience. I Don't

1:46:36

know if they were elves, but I mean Jack

1:46:41

get plane tickets to I've

1:46:46

been I've been meaning to go back. I wasn't planning

1:46:48

on going to Iceland today, but we're gonna have to

1:46:51

You'll see stuff dude there there's stuff in

1:46:53

Iceland to see it's a hidden treasure trove

1:46:56

of Unexplainable

1:46:59

experiences and sightings it

1:47:01

happens all of the time like these

1:47:04

people believe in them So like

1:47:06

they'll even reroute roads that

1:47:08

go through elf land Like

1:47:11

they I've heard of that. Yeah, they'll do that. They'll

1:47:15

We found a cabin. I talked

1:47:17

about this a little bit on my podcast So I

1:47:19

feel bad just regurgitating stuff, but I

1:47:21

we found this little cabin that

1:47:24

was filled with school children's like

1:47:26

art projects in

1:47:30

Respect of the trolls in the

1:47:33

area that they and like

1:47:35

off in the distance. There are these two

1:47:37

giant rock Outcroppings that

1:47:39

they believe were trolls that were petrified because

1:47:41

trolls get petrified in the daylight and they

1:47:43

had obviously legends and lore right, like there's

1:47:46

no way to prove any of this, but

1:47:48

what if and you

1:47:50

know, we so we the the Validation

1:47:53

to believe in this stuff is everywhere

1:47:55

in Iceland and that's what makes it

1:47:58

so wonderful because that is one

1:48:00

part of opening portals. You

1:48:02

have to believe. You

1:48:05

have to believe in portals. If you

1:48:07

do not believe in portals, you will

1:48:09

never see one until it's forced upon

1:48:11

you, which is when the whole globe

1:48:13

becomes one. This

1:48:17

is a huge problem and that's why

1:48:19

everybody thinks people talk about portals are

1:48:21

crazy is because you cannot look. If

1:48:25

we can move mountains through faith, obviously

1:48:28

that is a hint. That's

1:48:33

a hint. That's him saying you

1:48:35

can move mountains. Okay,

1:48:38

I'm pretty sure then that I can see portals

1:48:40

too with faith with

1:48:43

an obviously works both ways. Malicious people,

1:48:45

evil people see portals too. They have

1:48:48

a different type of faith. But

1:48:50

what goes around comes around.

1:48:53

There we go. There's my elf

1:48:56

stuff. John, sir, you are

1:48:59

a treasure trove and I highly encourage

1:49:01

you to check out your podcast. Thank

1:49:04

you. 21 CD podcast. John

1:49:06

has recently started the

1:49:08

show. Very fresh. You are, listen

1:49:12

man, you're a gem and

1:49:14

you will do great things

1:49:18

with podcasting. As long as you keep talking portals

1:49:20

to us. I'm doing my best. No, you're

1:49:23

doing great, man. So I do

1:49:25

appreciate you sharing all this

1:49:28

stuff. What a fantastic conversation this

1:49:30

was. And we're going to

1:49:32

do more here for an

1:49:34

overtime. We're going to get into the

1:49:36

abandoned portal building and we'll get

1:49:38

into, oh, we're going to get into your

1:49:40

theories and thoughts and stuff. And we're just going to

1:49:42

see where the conversation takes us. But right

1:49:45

now, Tony needs to pick up Benny from school or

1:49:47

else Benny's going to be crying because daddy forgot him.

1:49:50

Can't have that. Yeah. So

1:49:52

we're going to take a little breather and

1:49:54

we're going to come back here in a little

1:49:57

bit and record some more. But John, before

1:49:59

we get out, out of here, let people know where

1:50:01

they can find you. We mentioned this show several times,

1:50:03

21CD Podcasts. That's the

1:50:05

number 21CD Podcast. Pretty

1:50:09

easy to remember. Pretty easy. But where can they

1:50:11

find you on social media and all that stuff?

1:50:13

So, Tony told me that I've

1:50:15

kind of been doing this all wrong. But

1:50:17

so right now we're only on YouTube, Spotify,

1:50:20

TikTok and Instagram. If you want to be

1:50:22

one of my 100 followers, that

1:50:25

would be fantastic. All

1:50:28

of my YouTube videos are obviously

1:50:30

video format and I just upload the same

1:50:32

thing to Spotify for people who don't like

1:50:34

to watch videos. But if you guys want

1:50:37

to check me out, it's 21CD, 21CD

1:50:40

Studios and I'm on

1:50:43

YouTube, Spotify, Instagram and

1:50:45

TikTok. Thanks guys. You

1:50:47

guys can follow him on social media and

1:50:50

obviously the YouTube. I would

1:50:52

suggest checking him out on YouTube, Spotify

1:50:54

for sure. And

1:50:56

your video work is pretty good too. So, you

1:50:58

know, like you know what you're doing and we're

1:51:00

just learning here. So, you know, if you have

1:51:02

any advice for us, it'd be great. I

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think hopefully, it may not

1:51:10

be the case, but hopefully by the time

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people hear this, which will be less than a week from

1:51:14

the time we're recording, hopefully you'll

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be on other platforms. We'll talk about it

1:51:19

afterwards and stuff, but I'd like to see

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you get on other platforms, specifically Apple Podcasts,

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for sure. But I

1:51:27

gotta talk to you about the logistics of what you

1:51:29

got going on right now so I can better understand.

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But I think by the time we're done talking, you

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might be already on other platforms.

1:51:36

So, awesome. Yeah, so we'll

1:51:38

talk about it. But for right now, those places,

1:51:41

you said it was YouTube, Spotify,

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TikTok and Instagram, right? So obviously TikTok and

1:51:45

Instagram are the reels, the little short clips

1:51:47

and cool things like that. If you want

1:51:49

to show itself in the fullness, you

1:51:52

want to hit up YouTube or Spotify at

1:51:55

this point, but if you're listening to this

1:51:57

and you are like, well, I hate Google

1:51:59

and... I don't like doing anything other than

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Apple Podcasts. Check there because he might be there

1:52:04

now. And if not, please check back again in

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a week because I almost guarantee you by then,

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