0:01

As it turns out, I have

0:04

rather fond memories of

0:07

quite a few evenings at the Ritz that

0:12

I'd like to share with you. One

0:15

in particular comes

0:17

to mind when a

0:20

very different side of the

0:22

young Princess Elizabeth

0:25

was revealed. And I'm

0:27

sure everyone would love

0:30

to hear about that.

0:33

Yes they would, Lillie Burt, which is why

0:35

I'm telling it. It would miss the point

0:38

entirely of why we're all here tonight, to

0:41

celebrate you. Welcome

0:46

to the Crown at the Official podcast.

0:49

I'm Edith Bowman and this is

0:51

the show that follows the sixth

0:53

and final season of the Netflix

0:55

series The Crown, episode by episode.

0:58

We'll be taking you behind the

1:00

scenes, speaking to many of the

1:02

creatives involved and diving deep into

1:04

the stories. Today

1:06

we'll be talking about episode 8, titled

1:09

Ritz. Whilst

1:11

holidaying in Mustique, Princess

1:13

Margaret suffers a stroke

1:16

and is suddenly forced to reassess

1:18

her lifestyle. Margaret

1:21

is keen to recover in anticipation

1:23

of her glamorous 70th

1:25

birthday party. But the

1:27

Queen worries that her party-loving sister

1:29

will struggle to kick the habits

1:31

of a lifetime. As

1:34

Margaret's health continues to decline, she

1:37

finds herself slipping back into her

1:39

memories, back to her

1:41

secret night out with her sister during

1:43

the biggest party in history, VE

1:46

Day 1945.

1:50

We'll cover specific events and scenes that

1:52

feature in this episode, so if you

1:54

haven't managed to watch episode 8 yet,

1:57

I Suggest you do that now or

1:59

very soon. Coming

2:01

up on this episode was the Cloud

2:03

C official. Protest. Will

2:05

hear from Director Alex Debussy as

2:07

others. you went for it because

2:09

was a newsgroup again and then

2:12

seen braces. That and that's what

2:14

I talk about actors and sister

2:16

likes to play air. Producer

2:18

Moss and Hottest and takes us

2:20

underground. To the think think that

2:22

was to very very hot sweaty

2:24

days as you say is not

2:26

crumb like can Anyways quite surprised.

2:29

And will say farewell to

2:31

Margaret with this fabulous, lazily

2:33

manzo. The Circle is absolutely

2:35

completes and not just my

2:37

circles but that I've seen

2:39

a stuff the Circle that

2:41

was. Semester. And Helena

2:44

and die. Fast

2:47

I sat down with Mariel Sir

2:49

Bani Clear to correlate this episode

2:51

with Peter Morgan. To

2:54

be honest, I would have my own

2:56

that society. Yeah, I love Margaret. I

2:58

loved The Sisters episodes Peters. To

3:01

create a t sucks

3:03

distinctive characters. Who you

3:05

really want to spend time with but basically

3:07

Elizabeth when she's with Margret system like that

3:10

that more fun so he's built up over

3:12

the series I guess I was really awful

3:14

tasting Elizabeth a mugger on that final best

3:16

their journey together a core system I'm really

3:19

close to so that interested me to that

3:21

same and at which feels really important in

3:23

the upset that seem assistance which I was

3:25

ready interested to explore and also just seen

3:27

I'm writing a fine Let's said for character

3:30

I want is has. Go out with ban

3:32

casting with it does equate to. Yes,

3:35

two episodes. what was the it in

3:37

the research with the Gods Tizzy, Eat

3:39

In and the Girls and Sisters. So

3:41

yeah well, it was an exciting idea

3:43

to use this nineteen Forty five eat

3:45

a soft spot because it just occurred

3:47

to me like oh my god this

3:49

is a massive Crown store and we've

3:51

never used that as like is just

3:53

way into the easier because it's so

3:55

extraordinary that they were actually out there

3:57

with the crowds on a something the

3:59

map yeah like on a good thing

4:01

is that there's a certain amount of

4:03

information about at like Margaret herself was

4:05

interviewed about Sat and talked about it

4:07

being you know, the sink credibly. Joyous!

4:10

Night and about how she was jealous

4:12

as elizabeth that he she was wearing

4:14

her army uniform and margaret to southwest

4:17

civilian place to sell thought that since

4:19

thought about like grabbing her of the

4:21

servicemen. In. A week or few

4:23

details. last we know they went out

4:25

with Townsend's import see an various separates

4:27

Only know they join the crowd outside

4:29

the palace to call for the king

4:31

and we know that they went across

4:33

Queen Park and went to the Ritz.

4:37

It is. Not sources

4:39

good idea come on the voices

4:41

of he has to celebrate Senators

4:43

will will have ports to to

4:45

Tulsa with us. Because

4:48

six gave wrong. So we

4:50

know they went threats and I think

4:52

they're cousin talks about them doing the

4:54

conga three the restaurant as well as

4:56

well to do people upstairs and out

4:58

for the kitchens and that nobody noticed

5:01

to they were. That's.

5:03

Amazing when we got that basic

5:05

information and that kind of meant

5:08

that week said think about

5:10

what happened inside the Ritz and

5:12

we discovered that. During.

5:14

The whole of their secular war, there

5:17

were lots of so have some subterranean

5:19

nightspot stuff crops up all around in

5:21

these lands, in hotels in the basements

5:24

li so kind of summer seven bohemian

5:26

and a lot of fun stuff happens

5:28

artists, bohemian types so we thought well

5:30

there actually was a ball. Like

5:33

this could the pink sink in the basement.

5:35

The Ritz. So he so well what is.

5:38

Our taxes went on the. Ss

5:40

It's the way that. To assess

5:43

it seems incredibly sad. Watch and

5:45

Markets. House. Just see

5:47

an omelet. But. You have

5:49

the accent rocketed with his

5:52

brilliant tunisia in oh it's

5:54

like. It's shitty.

5:57

Is. The actual median, the hair and it.

6:00

This is bomb and see that the

6:02

night so brilliantly even feel when they're

6:04

at the table with queen Mom and

6:06

stuff and queens goose. What'd she say?

6:08

Tennessee in all those kind of little

6:10

moments. of thing worse Margaret's cause not

6:12

she might be kind of health

6:14

is going for seasonal we see

6:16

kind of soft cheeses elizabeth. Was

6:18

telling the story as a muscle.

6:20

The We the. You get back says

6:23

Edi and box if he does is

6:25

it's really cleverly and brilliantly to my

6:27

talks a little bit about on as

6:29

how you do that The character. That

6:31

seats has created a Margret Mean site is

6:33

really quite easy to write because she's a

6:35

noisy and see she and she wants to

6:37

join Science Fun in the darkest the situations

6:40

like is fun but this is more rebels

6:42

anyone else in the family says more willing

6:44

to say the stuff that no one else

6:46

wants to say yes says she's always fun

6:49

Spencer seem to see rupture that exists as

6:51

I guess I still like when you're writing.

6:54

Such. A sad story. It's

6:56

actually more. Saw this: the cancer isn't ceiling

6:58

like where the source himself and is.

7:01

Able to kind of loss of was going

7:03

on that such the moves that towards as

7:06

we we won't say we wouldn't fly rather

7:08

than them watch the x yeah and mother

7:10

sister guest in that way because. She's.

7:13

So funny. Yes or no. See, you've got the

7:15

relationships in the Sisters which is always been. They.

7:17

Know another so well as playful. They

7:19

like the mother doesn't he likes waiting

7:21

list as Op yeah, putting that in

7:23

this pretty tragic scenario just full of

7:25

our. We. See Margaret through the

7:27

easy to write for yeah you

7:30

also have less the muzzle and

7:32

minds. On. This season.

7:34

Haven't been a right now and Harrys. As A

7:36

and Five say solely Does the funny thing

7:38

that like when you're right for an enclosed was

7:40

we haven't seen playing the parts. Yeah it's

7:42

weird because you can't help but right? So the

7:44

old toss easy sets and then you see

7:46

them and then you're like oh wow they're amazing.

7:49

That's a totally different but they're amazing. Yeah,

7:51

and then you clans. That. Is will

7:53

be writing as the series is selling stealth

7:55

then. He starts to. Settle into

7:57

thinking of those actors as. The.

8:00

I don't prefer. Same for view is

8:02

it takes a while to settle in

8:05

the new costs but then because this

8:07

was the second season with the same

8:09

cost yeah totally hats less is Margaret

8:11

my head hurt his and form how

8:13

you write as and in what way.

8:15

Leslie brings new thanks to Margaret. I

8:17

feel like she gives us a glimpse

8:20

of her vulnerability and seen before so

8:22

she lets you see that tennis little

8:24

gap between have been really really funny

8:26

and then was underneath which is actually

8:28

she's very vulnerable person. Yeah. So there's

8:30

a real beaten that the way she plays

8:32

that you really feel fasting athletes and amazing

8:34

amazing A but then at the same time

8:37

still so incredibly funny and quickly said and

8:39

you will mess with her. He.

8:43

Suggests. I'm saying

8:45

is is it about seeing that

8:48

on the wind. Knocked

8:50

on the way out. Next

8:58

I wanted to ask Director

9:00

Alex Good Boss Seats about

9:02

working with Lesley Manville on

9:04

this incredibly moving episode. Over

9:07

the conversation you had to lazy with

9:10

the guards to before you started filming

9:12

this episode and what will he won't

9:14

eat and also would it be to

9:16

cost more? I think the first thing

9:18

for us was to math. What?

9:21

Does strokes would mean and where

9:23

they would appear and how much

9:26

he would does was very very

9:28

practical approach. First Cs have the

9:30

pleaded with you would be how

9:32

long that will be for how

9:34

long will take your we're habitation.

9:36

Yeah. So. Then diligence to

9:38

sort of follow and is would

9:41

be celts and not to jump

9:43

from one another and highly connected

9:45

then back to the heart. Size

9:48

not flashbacks to her memories of

9:50

of that night. A yeah, Exactly

9:52

where I would those memories com

9:54

man, how would they be See

9:56

you have warranted in that sense

9:58

during dinner says. So and

10:00

those things where importance and

10:03

it doesn't sisters. It isn't

10:05

it's it's it's about. Their.

10:08

Connection. And were oh

10:10

started I suppose how much

10:12

the secret stayed between them

10:15

men was that and represents

10:17

and I think of in

10:19

our conversations. Was. Very

10:21

much for the actors. Realized

10:23

it was very important to

10:25

understand. Not. Only how

10:28

physically that would have affected heard but

10:30

how. Much. In terms of

10:32

our psyche and psychologically and and

10:34

even memory wise you know you

10:36

get the T did and how

10:38

much you can not say the

10:40

things you say so always so

10:42

witty. And brilliant and

10:44

and this case you'd have to

10:46

slow down eventually. he her delivery

10:48

So those things are really thought

10:51

through and we we mapped out

10:53

and we we numeral as when

10:55

they would come. Fast.

11:01

Or was it not case of that

11:03

one must pass the next as I

11:05

was kind of us for the minimum

11:08

wage it's all over the think the

11:10

we're pleased we've seen because you i

11:12

tell you what happened that that's the

11:14

day night was shot outside London we

11:16

built that Piccadilly Circus which is phenomenally

11:18

great done by frame store and or

11:20

that you know idea but we did

11:22

do a lot of stuff that was

11:24

very much grounded in that we had

11:26

a sort of square like that and

11:28

and thankfully on that day Piccadilly at

11:30

a. Particular thing that makes it so

11:33

much V day because you have the

11:35

statue was covered by some kind of

11:37

construction that some they did for the

11:39

day so we did that and we

11:41

found some kind of reason street lights

11:43

sweet that we had been add to

11:45

it and the crown can give you

11:47

that only the crown. So we had

11:50

like three two hundred fifty extras on

11:52

that day all dressed in nineteen forces

11:54

costs him and we had those buses

11:56

and I had so all those things

11:58

so I had to two days to

12:00

shoot exterior and one to shoot some

12:02

in tears of what would be the

12:04

Ritz. yes ends. On. I

12:07

finish that's the last day which

12:09

I finished the worm one I

12:11

had to go straight to paris

12:13

to sued the next state are

12:16

seen for it's of one size

12:18

so those scenes was shot in

12:20

between or the scenes I saw

12:22

to of of migrants also just

12:24

a. A new on how brilliant

12:27

boon violin are as well as as the

12:29

young log in an illicit that is wow

12:31

the can a pipe and say that a

12:33

doing just yet. It's a great is a

12:35

great through line is so you can can

12:37

see them. I mean. In.

12:39

Terms of them as she looks like clear for

12:41

his wow, his kindness. Meant.

12:44

sits is else in countries. Like

12:46

just done like that kind of weird

12:48

facial stuff that they can do to

12:50

deeds. People on clay and it's like

12:52

none of that said if not says

12:54

that wow yeah is it's uncanny is

12:57

uncanny. I think the first thing we

12:59

sought with them was the one arriving

13:01

at the Ritz ah as the Ball

13:03

Room Cs and and it's to mom

13:05

is that I see I see just

13:07

clear for and says it says this

13:09

is such a brilliant actor so violent

13:12

that see actually I think she's studies

13:14

class the way that is not He

13:16

invites us to digest with. It

13:18

as that clarify a lead and then way

13:21

says well go with you to the in

13:23

cook rice was when it hits he doesn't

13:25

know yet if any goal ice how it

13:28

is it didn't do it mm our so

13:30

some has given that. As

13:37

long as the ones that so. I

13:47

love it's or highly you know Even

13:49

still, how's the high into the most

13:51

in this? This episode is around Margaret

13:53

and her her health. See. Never

13:55

loses that twinkle or day

13:58

comedic nature. The To. It

14:00

over there and unless his performance

14:03

the way she does size just

14:05

fantastic. Never lost. It's always there.

14:07

It's really brilliant. Is all

14:09

that on the page? or? Is part of that

14:11

Lessees? it's you know, interpretation and

14:14

brilliant performance and and playfulness with

14:16

this character I'd say is more

14:18

Leslie I think. Was. The

14:20

scripts gives you. A certain

14:22

things that you just because. The

14:25

good great thing about people's scripts

14:27

and and in this case Peter

14:29

and Mariel Sir Bani is that

14:31

they don't has you. Know.

14:34

What to seal? Is. Is

14:37

all says in the pays in terms of

14:39

dialogue. So you basically take. What? You

14:41

want and you put in and I

14:43

think. What for

14:45

me was for us is very important

14:48

and specially the editing process was that

14:50

again. How much do

14:52

you see? the regression and

14:54

then progression back to your

14:56

former selves And that was

14:58

given by. Her. Wits

15:01

and humor even when says comes

15:03

from the second stroke season that

15:05

dinner or lunch with willing mom and

15:07

agree month plus expenses for to say

15:10

it out and then and I also

15:12

gone with the days of you see

15:14

months ago that I received a laser

15:17

Tennessee A know that this is and

15:19

while he does go Cs and then

15:21

adding i know time he heard the

15:24

early to start singing again in

15:26

a whole lot of this you went

15:28

for it because was a newsgroup again

15:31

and. Then seen braces. That and

15:33

that's what I talk about. Actors

15:35

that says lines to play air.

15:38

As. Soon. As

15:40

I days of dead soon anyway.

15:42

I thought I might as well

15:45

as bad. Is

15:47

my seven has this This

15:49

this that and. I've. Decided

15:51

I want to set of as it

15:54

was Icepick Pass It. Was.

15:57

For it's. Nicholas.

16:01

Can. Revisit that. The.

16:04

We. Will. Come. With

16:07

such such. Pushed.

16:12

Moon.

16:14

Than. Me:

16:19

So. Sad I

16:21

missed some. Salsa.

16:26

Come on. This episode of the

16:28

crime, the Official protest. Who

16:30

hear more about Finding Lights Moments

16:33

and Princess Margaret? Final Years

16:35

with Actor Leslie Mann? So. Fast!

16:38

I met producer Mark Hottest and

16:40

says been a huge part of

16:42

the crime since the beginning. Did

16:46

you ever imagine that your journey with

16:48

it would last for nine years? Oh

16:50

my goodness. I mean I come from

16:52

a have a family small all republicans

16:55

and it's kind of like the notion

16:57

of and it would be interested the

16:59

royal family. Three curious to me yeah

17:01

and soon became obsessed as health benefits.

17:04

So he sure made you interested in the

17:06

history and the stories and the kotick. So

17:08

very much so and just the whole

17:10

come across Jews and Christians in the

17:12

and the pressures of Boots on the

17:14

on the royal family yeah that was

17:17

a Ceos as issues factor to. Think

17:19

that's almost a representation of.

17:22

Soon. As things I wanted to ask you this

17:24

why you think it's resonate with the audience. So

17:26

well While The Crime is such

17:29

a popular show around the world

17:31

for to was would in season

17:33

sing in a way it is

17:36

essentially because it's a family drama.

17:38

It's about sammy relationships that all

17:40

of us can identify with across

17:43

cultures. but it's a family dynamic

17:45

that has this added almost like

17:47

a straitjacket of all the establishment

17:50

and cause to school pressures that

17:52

surround it which makes it even

17:54

more dysfunctional. So. I think. We.

17:57

All fascinated by dysfunctional families I think.

18:00

The reassurance and an away

18:02

the roles of strap on

18:04

strike miss been probably see

18:06

exemplary assumption family because the

18:08

Sam yeah I'm it's impossible.

18:10

impossible constraints appear on the.

18:12

Here it's the final season. Is

18:14

how does it feel. See. That

18:17

it's the end of it's coming

18:19

to the is really hard. It's really

18:21

hard. I mean of see for

18:23

all of my career I've been freelance

18:26

so I've been imitates. It's been

18:28

a very fancy a life of three

18:30

months here, six months there, a knife

18:32

to stun, nine years. Ah it's the

18:35

best I've ever. really. Had a

18:37

long permanent job athletic Verizon. the he

18:39

has assistant and might say a

18:41

personally is also very difficult. My wife

18:43

died or two months into the

18:45

beginning. Of the show. So I

18:47

started in August twenty fourteen and

18:50

she died in December and the

18:52

show was an enormous. It's like

18:54

a life raft for me and

18:56

and some as an excuse my

18:58

of displacement and and kind of

19:00

postponing sayings and to come supplements

19:02

myself through the show and now

19:04

I realize lunges later that part's

19:06

i've got a can of does

19:08

Also sick of our as well

19:10

he suggests that she the whole

19:12

thing on again a major home

19:14

because the show was just. So

19:16

all encompassing I'm it was who

19:19

sleep absorbing as you can imagine.

19:21

So this as well. It's a

19:23

rare beast in the sense that

19:25

so many people who were. Repeat

19:29

offenders and kept coming back.

19:32

That that shows how much they enjoyed.

19:34

Expedient marry him. I see of men aren't

19:36

so there's a lot of people I'm going

19:38

to really really Miss is hugely. The.

19:40

What's up with the political? Science

19:44

and also everybody went so

19:46

well together is assumed to

19:48

see like. Most creative.

19:51

Industries in it has it's

19:54

fair share of Kenneth Egotists

19:56

and Narcissus. but seriously, I.

19:59

Would say. Crime. On

20:01

the whole had none of this in

20:03

three hundred people plus working on it

20:05

and every one of the process is

20:07

the lights and that's an incredible racing

20:09

and the i think the reputation spread

20:12

across the country and sense of people

20:14

with talk about to cry know how

20:16

the wants to own it because it

20:18

seems as if the joy from show

20:20

and it once. They

20:23

see for listen to this you only go

20:25

into the might not be fully aware of.

20:27

The Room the rules of. Pretty sad

20:29

because. System produces can do

20:31

different things on a production. Yes, we

20:33

specifically what does your rule as a

20:35

producer on the show and both my,

20:38

my most, my experience and my greatest

20:40

strength is as insists Director of Cynicism

20:42

directives thirty years and so I can

20:45

mail the to rules together. Some a

20:47

very much a kind of producer onset

20:49

because I'm actually the first A D

20:52

onset sickly Black seen. I worked very

20:54

well together I think for him it

20:56

was good. set. Decisions to

20:58

be made pretty quickly. Yeah, without

21:00

having to kind of committee about

21:02

it. Will kind of decisions. I knew this

21:05

A in terms of give it as you an example of

21:07

what kind of decision should be. With can make

21:09

on the Grind Well for example,

21:11

in the i'm Nineteen Forty Five

21:13

stuff, I mean there was a

21:15

whole big conversation Mahoney Us: We

21:17

do that because to do the

21:19

street sequences, we're crowds very difficult

21:21

central London at six doing something

21:23

like a crime which is attracting

21:26

so much attention. And it was

21:28

my suggestion that we go to

21:30

have. And I only knew

21:32

how is a possibility because but fifteen

21:34

years ago I settled on Royal Night

21:36

Out between dark General Director yes I

21:39

did the initial schedule for that and

21:41

I remembered them talking about solace a

21:43

possibility So I moved to decide to

21:45

have been to which was quite big

21:48

thing because it's it means overnight for

21:50

the crew is a for our travel

21:52

so it has soon search repercussions yes

21:55

but it was the right decision on

21:57

land like we did it and I

21:59

think. Those elements of see an

22:01

episode eight to ninety four fi sequence

22:03

of the walking from the Palace to

22:06

the the Club and then returning. I

22:08

think they went really well. I think

22:10

cats are they can A crazy carnivalesque

22:12

atmosphere of T Night. Live.

22:33

There brilliant. Movements I think across the

22:35

hill. Where. For. A

22:37

moment or for seen that we almost

22:40

a pile of. The. Crime

22:42

world does not look as

22:44

them that there are slightly

22:47

outside of what we expect.

22:49

And I think that that wonderful

22:51

seen in pink think beneath the

22:53

Ritz. Is one of those. On.

22:56

A production level of cool in

22:58

that together with the extras to

23:00

Done Sin is the choreography. all

23:02

that fun stuff the way that

23:04

it's short way to show. Some.

23:07

I took the lead a nice one

23:09

of us him give her a really

23:11

big shoutout for Poly Bennett who is

23:13

a choreographer. That sues

23:15

vitality and energy of that. Sequence

23:18

is done to her. I

23:20

think what we did is

23:22

to says is be facilitated.

23:25

Everything she needed To me that work

23:27

life So you know you do shows

23:29

where you have a Korean frame and

23:32

they get like two hours have it's

23:34

a slow a while when my senior

23:36

say it but rothys we set up

23:38

we had a huge marquee on the

23:41

back not we set up proper rehearsals

23:43

with it's He dances of which there

23:45

were lots of t dances. It wasn't

23:48

a big refill them with of maybe

23:50

a hundred and ten other supporting artist

23:52

yeah but there was probably about twenty.

23:55

Twenty Five. Ah, dances

23:57

Yeah, I am. poorly.

24:00

The opportunity of just probably really

24:02

exploring that's and Alex as a

24:04

director was really happy for her

24:06

to do that. Just explore it

24:08

to insane to have fun of

24:10

it's is Brazilians. He was the

24:12

perfect direct for day a big

24:15

big party see me Mardi Gras

24:17

just slows or his sister same

24:19

scene at a bus pass in

24:21

that respect every she'll sit in

24:23

the Cynics club in Charing Cross

24:25

Law which is a beautiful club

24:27

is great place. a tiny space.

24:30

And it involves day. Incredible amount

24:32

of. Zane some

24:34

everybody calls because it was so

24:36

close phobic down then so full

24:38

of people and tells the city

24:41

offices getting hysterical and as you

24:43

can imagine this is also a

24:45

pools into action. Lots of other

24:47

departments is costing the palms efforts

24:50

and then and then the crowd

24:52

makeup department a mean it is

24:54

a lot of people's done excuse

24:57

my work and then Cyprus musicians

24:59

yeah the. Name is it was it

25:01

is. It's hard for Joyce and shall I

25:03

not until I snow one's gonna come away

25:05

so so mean that with us without a

25:08

smile on her. Die they are and it

25:10

was to very very hot sweaty days as

25:12

as you say is not Korean like and

25:14

anyways quite surprised that it works but it

25:16

works brilliantly I think. His

25:22

assets. And

25:40

finally. Here is our

25:42

Princess Margaret for the spinal

25:44

time. The. Wonderful! Lesley

25:47

Manville. Alessi

25:50

so great to get to chat t that

25:52

Naga again and this to form is

25:54

in this. Final season sight. To

25:56

see you know and that it's That's it.

25:58

That's it with his character. The I

26:00

feel like I've really done

26:03

her at this extraordinary time

26:05

with her life which was

26:07

less show we. But

26:10

more about the internal. Turmoil.

26:13

And loneliness that she was telling says

26:15

so. I guess I'm all right with

26:17

saying by but it's a of see

26:20

a massive part of mine my life

26:22

not just at the two years of

26:24

doing it. Burns says a huge amount

26:27

of time the I knew before that

26:29

that I was gonna play her own

26:31

reading all the books and just basking

26:34

in. Margaret Land was some

26:36

so pleasurable and interesting and funny

26:38

and obviously I always loved the

26:40

series anyway and going back when

26:43

I knew I was in the

26:45

player I'm watching the Nesser and

26:47

Helena and just watching the whole

26:49

staying and the kind of real.

26:52

In my bones thrill

26:55

of knowing that. I.

26:57

Was gonna take on that. Tone

27:00

and do Margaret to the

27:02

very end matter how nice

27:04

to her dying days. But

27:06

what I was never prepared

27:08

for. Was. Quite

27:12

extraordinary. Script.

27:15

That Peter Morgan wrote

27:17

for Margaret. And Elizabeth and

27:19

was so wonderful about it is that.

27:23

It's. A

27:25

very personal and intimate love

27:27

story about these two sisters

27:29

vs that they're Elizabeth Ann

27:31

Margaret but they're not the

27:33

queen and a princess that

27:35

two sisters and the scenes

27:38

are just quite beautiful and

27:40

so that's been and mazin

27:42

privilege to do specially with

27:44

either my long time friend

27:46

Imelda. This is a beautiful

27:48

energy of the to view

27:50

he knew on screen and

27:52

and that history and friendship

27:54

genuine friendship. He had comes. through you

27:56

know in your performance is not want to eat.

27:59

You and will. They have for each other I

28:01

think. Great. When you have that was

28:03

someone does you get so much

28:05

the nothing? yeah you don't have

28:07

to kind of citizens work out

28:09

how how that sets in a

28:11

warm sun and summa Yeah no

28:13

Margaret Elizabeth A funny that boasts

28:15

funny women mean obviously Margaret lead

28:17

a life that gave her so

28:19

many more occasions to revel in

28:21

that humor and have she and

28:23

naughtiness and of course Elizabeth spend

28:25

to licensing to rain all of

28:27

that in and be proper. but

28:29

you you get to see them.

28:31

Twinkling. Together Yeah, it's It's

28:34

quite something. With the Ritz Saudi

28:36

we see Elizabeth kind of. The

28:38

memory kind of put fuck and

28:40

it's been kind of ignite. It's

28:42

by Margaret, mention it and then

28:44

it comes up time and time

28:46

again. Is she seems determined to

28:49

tell this secrets yeah, that they've

28:51

hired. For most of

28:53

their life. Why do you think? It's.

28:55

Been written like that for. Her to reveal

28:58

this. Yeah, you get the ceiling

29:00

very much that that Elizabeth does

29:02

not Muslim This story to be

29:04

told Well, I mean it's got

29:07

Margaret naughtiness written all over it,

29:09

but I think it's. The.

29:11

Deeper significance of it is

29:13

that. Well, on

29:15

some levels it's Margaret saying we're

29:18

not so dissimilar Doesn't use just

29:20

have to. Live. A different

29:22

life because of the role that you've had

29:24

to play and responsibilities that you have. But.

29:28

I think it's mainly because

29:31

Margaret. Wants. People to

29:33

know that. There

29:35

is that side in Elizabeth.

29:39

Because. Pretty much everyone

29:41

apart from the real in

29:43

a circle and Elizabeth's. Buried

29:45

his friends. See the

29:48

queen. That's what they see

29:50

him. And they don't see the

29:52

woman who. Did. Something

29:54

rather wonderful and so

29:56

that time daring and

29:59

risk gay and bow

30:01

to. An fun

30:03

here. I mean not the Elizabeth has

30:05

had a life as. Have

30:08

no such. Yes, that's not

30:10

so much. Certainly the public

30:12

perception? Yes. And. I

30:15

think it's. Also. About saying.

30:18

You. Know. We. May be. Different

30:20

in a lot of ways that there

30:23

is this little seed that of you

30:25

and I being quite similar. Sloth.

30:28

And night. To. Remember.

30:31

Was a member almost

30:34

last year. And

30:36

Bond. With seven. Months

30:39

sandia. The

30:42

real you. The.

30:44

You that you gave up in order to be

30:46

the other You. Is

30:49

A so I. Didn't.

30:51

Miss A, She was so much fun!

30:55

Loving man. Who

30:58

even is? Her health is deteriorating and.

31:02

Your Margaret hasn't lost that

31:04

ability to. That's. Enough

31:06

that kind as and try to kind of

31:08

them whether that's with a comment or try

31:11

to tell the story about the Ritz this

31:13

night that the hide it the way as

31:15

and and it's only a little kind of

31:17

twinkling her i that she's she's just want

31:20

to get one over on her sister. you

31:22

know. So the very last moment on rye

31:24

I'm even when she's ill you know, the

31:26

upper i assume up and. That.

31:28

Level of real genuine would naughtiness

31:31

Now, especially with her sister. Yes,

31:33

you know it. It just didn't

31:35

diminish even through her illness. and

31:37

I. And as I get that

31:40

if you are that person, I

31:42

st Margaret must have been incredibly

31:44

angry about the thought of having

31:47

to leave the world's Yeah and

31:49

not just because she loves. To

31:51

like. That because I

31:53

think she must have felt that

31:56

says last two decades of her

31:58

life were a little. I'm Oh,

32:00

you know, she didn't have what

32:02

other people in the early had.

32:05

She didn't have the longevity of

32:07

a relationship. The. Solidity if

32:09

somebody who you may not share

32:11

a bed with every night as

32:13

Elizabeth and sell it didn't but

32:15

somebody who's that? Yeah, we'll use

32:17

and she didn't have that under.

32:20

Was lonely through her and

32:22

I know so that thing

32:24

as being. Ill

32:26

and. Looking ill.

32:29

Yeah Minister iconic images Her in

32:31

the Chance the Colonials her with

32:33

the glasses. And you

32:35

know she said that. She did.

32:38

She almost covered every fists of

32:40

her face that was posted because

32:42

she didn't want men to see

32:44

her know. What

32:46

was your preparation for that site

32:49

is it into intensities? She went

32:51

to earn a number of strokes

32:53

that had different effects on heart.

32:55

Physically hardy speech and and you

32:58

performance is extraordinary. So delicate, beautiful

33:00

and ten. During the we the Secret

33:02

Three those. What? Was you can

33:04

as and of preparation for that is well

33:06

and also with Alex you director you know

33:08

about. That as well as and how

33:10

to navigate that journey for. Her. It

33:13

was a tough journey to navigate

33:15

as an episode is not as

33:17

long as he st and you

33:19

know it really does very, very

33:21

delicately abuses you say chart her

33:24

declines. That stance is a very

33:26

complex sing. So I spoke to

33:28

speech therapists. I spoke to experts

33:30

who work in stroke units, medical

33:33

teams who bring people, round off

33:35

the strokes and sort of get

33:37

them walking and talking again. And

33:39

I spoke to about two or

33:41

three. Stroke victims to had

33:44

had different levels of severity

33:46

with their strengths and ah

33:48

so that was some. Quite

33:51

difficult leg yes because they are

33:54

one gentleman the I spoke to

33:56

everything was there. it was like

33:58

oh the words were. He had

34:00

every thought was in his head. But.

34:04

She couldn't say sins and the

34:06

frustration that he went through. So

34:08

it's it was some. Fascinating

34:11

to do that. And Nick who's

34:13

on of our dialect coaches came

34:15

with me to those sessions just

34:17

to have that person that to

34:19

see. I'm on a trip. And

34:21

you know and then I worked with

34:23

the hair and makeup. Team. How

34:26

we would deal with somebody? Say

34:28

Cst when they had a very

34:30

bad stroke. Yes, as collapse as

34:32

as mouth collapse and as I

34:34

collapse and we wanted to go

34:36

to thaw and if we thought

34:38

it was too much with you

34:40

know we'd pull back end. So

34:42

as I say, there's all these

34:45

degrees of it really. But the

34:47

thing that is so beautiful about

34:49

the script that he's written, he

34:51

could have just written us a

34:53

tragic script. Yeah, but he's written.

34:55

A script where you absolutely see

34:57

the Margaret that you saw been

34:59

next to do in episode one.

35:01

You see that Margaret now yet

35:03

still. you're absolutely right. You can

35:06

see that products us yes and

35:08

all that a Cs spare for

35:10

was still kind of patients through.

35:12

Yes, I mean that's. What's

35:14

been wonderful about playing Margaret is

35:16

because it's like in season as

35:18

a few characters I've played by

35:20

you can sue to say well

35:22

she's sources a bit of everything

35:25

is as you know she is

35:27

center and wants to be. Gorgeous.

35:29

And the life and soul of the

35:31

party. But then she's also. The other

35:33

side of it is this person who's

35:35

going. Okay, right So here

35:38

I am. What's happening to my going

35:40

to see today? The Diaries M T

35:42

A though the dogs here or have

35:44

a drink? it's It's just so brilliant.

35:46

But I do, so that's what you

35:49

said. First of all, I feel. The.

35:52

Surf is up so he completes

35:54

And not just my circles but

35:56

that I've seen a stuff the

35:58

circle that was. Vanessa and

36:01

Helena and I say one I

36:03

was talking. To someone like this

36:05

for the scene standards. Which is when

36:07

she sex and first cigarette in see

36:09

find one in a coat pocket and

36:11

it's almost like this orgasmic react. Ceasefire

36:15

has a cigarette and it's

36:17

so. It's such a great

36:19

movie is such. A great performance.

36:21

And it was at yeah, it was

36:23

it a button that the great thing

36:25

about working with Alex capacity mean we've

36:27

had amazing directors on this. I've had

36:29

a brilliant time with Alex Debussy. He's

36:31

been. Just. Oh.

36:34

So insightful and to

36:36

says little little things.

36:38

And because we. Had

36:41

a good relationship, were always talking

36:43

about a scene and testing about

36:45

moments and it's so I sell.

36:47

I had this absolute Freedom units

36:50

and a moment like thought you

36:52

know you com. You. Could

36:54

you know? Be. Pedantic.

36:57

Unscripted and of it, but. I.

36:59

It was just is. he's hunting for

37:01

cigarettes and she finds one in six

37:03

Six com It's It's who's been a

37:05

chain smoker all her life, has to

37:07

suddenly been told not to smoke ever

37:09

again. And and it's so great that

37:11

you said the weather we've got that

37:13

he finds in an old smelly Just

37:15

kits and it's a really crumpled up

37:17

old. Cigarette. That's probably all dried

37:19

up. Know. Listen, sushi kind of the i'm

37:22

kind of like straight hundred. Hours. In

37:24

in the coat pocket. About all

37:26

of us. Who

37:29

was it like so many was last seen

37:31

to the moussa you know having his last

37:33

moments together attempts I find it really hard

37:36

to talk about and to say was serving

37:38

losing an emotional a me i cry or

37:40

anything and way but it was just there

37:42

was a kind of. Know

37:44

seen a kind of some. So

37:47

way. But the great com on

37:49

those days you know we would

37:51

just really just we just knew

37:53

how to do those seen yet

37:55

you know it was some. Very.

37:58

Special. Doing it. The Noda

38:00

and. You I have sisters

38:03

so I understand that relationship isn't

38:05

really well. Yes, it does. Some

38:07

of the best scenes that I've

38:09

ever had to do in my

38:11

career, so they mean a lot

38:13

to me. A

38:15

little you. Oh

38:25

far as who stopped is. What?

38:29

Have you up and out of here in new

38:31

friends know? Phases.

38:36

Serious. And Thirty. Seconds.

38:39

He'll it. Of

38:43

Hans here all night.

38:48

The can't see where is the in. All

38:51

see a nursing. Vote

38:55

is. This.

38:59

There's a minute or and

39:01

name was his her. Adoptive

39:05

tell me you aren't eating the

39:07

in. Would

39:10

rather. Not hungry.

39:14

When I bought you these. So

39:17

favorite. Sham

39:20

Tarts. You. Know

39:23

you thought. I

39:26

would you describe their relationship is

39:29

easy. Elizabeth Ann Margaret finishes with

39:31

so many sister as rivalry is

39:33

jealous see it as ah yeah

39:35

will consider and what the Queen

39:38

says no to was Margaret and

39:40

the fact that this forgiveness there

39:42

in a way through the years

39:45

that it's not. it hasn't affected

39:47

the relationship know, But I think

39:49

that happens with systems. I'm at

39:51

my experience. You know you're so

39:54

close to them and therefore you.

39:56

Feel you have the right

39:58

to criticize. You

40:01

can say all of these things because it's

40:03

not like a marriage or a boyfriend that

40:05

you. You might say this stuff and then

40:07

it would be over and you might never

40:10

see the state this person is in your

40:12

life is forever. So

40:14

there's a cop blogs about how

40:16

you can be with them. And

40:19

I think that Elizabeth

40:22

really recognized the complexities.

40:25

And how hard it was for Margaret and.

40:29

Me: She makes such speech, doesn't see

40:31

all the and has a Thursday's yeah

40:33

I mean that whole section of the

40:35

determination did this part is gonna hop

40:38

and she's she's waited. New shoes. Yes,

40:42

It is as it's the terrible the

40:44

as far as pln her ankles she

40:46

bent on close as horrible did

40:48

you speak to anyone who had been

40:51

around her at that time to

40:53

for funnily enough I know people. Because.

40:55

She mixed in this industry yes like

40:58

this. You know I do know quite

41:00

a few people who you haven't. They

41:02

do regaled me with stories about. The

41:05

times that they met her. Yeah,

41:07

my best friend has a photo

41:10

of her parents with Margaret. I

41:12

think they're in mustique. I

41:14

use seats away So we lost said that you

41:17

nearly matt hard in the sticks Yes, that that

41:19

was like some not telling you that such as

41:21

a story is that if you need see I've

41:23

got a fun while and I suspect that was

41:26

her happy place. Listen it because yeah Elizabeth even

41:28

says that in it and one of the yes

41:30

we says okay that's why you'll get where are

41:32

you going to mustique at the weekend for you

41:34

to hire your happiest yes we see was I

41:37

suppose there was a breed them you know I

41:39

mean. The. Pressure you

41:41

can't allow any you you know,

41:43

not when they were young which

41:45

is a beauty of. The.

41:48

Seeing them young in episode Eight, they could

41:50

go out and they weren't recognize because the

41:52

media was nothing like what it is now.

41:54

Yes, and lots of people didn't have to

41:57

will. People generally didn't have televisions that weren't

41:59

televisions really. The until the coronation

42:01

so you could be anonymous, but

42:03

not so in the latter years.

42:05

And you know every time you

42:08

step outside that door. You've

42:11

gotta be Princess Margaret! To

42:13

go to be on. And

42:15

I think that's why Margaret just is a

42:17

lot it would they all did but you

42:19

know Margaret to sort of to do

42:21

loads of swallow raise and people round is

42:24

in his of the have a safe place

42:26

but mustique was that really with knobs on

42:28

because she could just. Be

42:31

in the see. Nobody would

42:33

have the her yes. Last

42:38

and sick with sites

42:40

not an easy, Jordan

42:42

watches as a. Royal.

42:49

I've. Put your

42:51

finger as. A

42:54

lot. Easier.

42:58

To take it is it away from her when

43:00

you when you and have you finished with this

43:02

part is that something from slurred and. About this

43:04

this kotick have that that through the

43:06

real the real person that it's based

43:08

on his well that you're like oh

43:10

i think it's all. Quite close

43:12

Still, Yes, because I have.

43:15

Not played other characters over the two

43:17

years, but. See. Seen

43:20

their absolutely and to his

43:22

is the longest. Will.

43:25

Absolutely the long I mean I've done plays, the.

43:28

Them. The most I've ever done a

43:30

play for is five months. I've

43:33

never had somebody in my

43:35

bones said two years so

43:37

I think is gonna take

43:40

some processing. Yeah and I

43:42

think that I might. Go.

43:46

And read the books again. More

43:48

the books I read. The. For

43:50

in the beginning ear tourists to do the

43:52

research. not ages to do the research as

43:54

I read them in such as that of

43:56

lazily oh god what a great books think

43:58

it would be nice. Known.

44:01

To. Go back. Because

44:04

when you read a book in you're

44:06

doing research you know it's at the

44:08

enlisted Old Marcus. I'd put in a

44:10

specially every page was marked and that

44:12

was day glo pad everywhere and to

44:15

a degree you don't go back that

44:17

much. It's almost about the process of

44:19

reading it for the first time and

44:21

going all that since stance somehow by

44:23

osmosis. it go eight go again. but

44:25

I'd love to go back to those

44:27

books not they've all got the tags

44:29

still and just read them without the

44:31

pressure of housing says creates her. Anymore,

44:34

but hopefully. The

44:36

other thing I was hate from her

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