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1:28

Hello and welcome to the Kip

1:30

and I Podcast. My name is

1:32

Mark Sorensen. Hanging out

1:34

with me, as always, is... Rob Morphe. Uncle

1:37

Bobby. What's happening? And,

1:39

of course... The Chris. The

1:43

inimitable. Yes. One

1:47

and only. Dude,

1:49

he's here. We're doing it. We're

1:52

making it happen the day after the Easter, but

1:54

this is getting released far past that. We're actually

1:56

recording this on April 1st, so... April fools! You

2:00

know whatever. Yeah, no boys. Yeah, this of

2:03

days dude It's so annoying because you're going

2:05

the internet everything's a lie normally on the

2:07

internet, but then it's even worse today So

2:09

yeah, I mean yeah Whatever

2:12

regardless we are back with the

2:14

invisible boy the Peter Pam possession

2:17

part two. Oh I

2:19

love a love so deep that it Causes

2:22

crazy shit to happen in your family. I

2:24

guess yeah, I was yeah, I thought you're

2:26

gonna rhyme I thought there'd be a creep

2:28

in there love so deep it makes you

2:30

creep around at night with your weird girlfriend

2:32

who it lets You fly, but I didn't

2:35

know where you're going. You're making more of

2:37

a social statement, which I admire. Yeah, I

2:39

like a haiku Yeah,

2:46

now there's gonna be no arriving today coming for

2:48

me But that's okay because we are here We're

2:50

doing it and we're gonna get started with first

2:52

love is among the most beautiful and more

2:55

often than not Heartbreaking episodes

2:57

anyone can experience but for

2:59

one young teen his first

3:01

crush became a disturbing supernatural

3:04

odyssey that brought him to the

3:06

brink of death and some say

3:09

Eternal damnation all

3:11

resulting in this curious case becoming one

3:13

of the most intensely chronicled events in

3:17

paranormal history The

3:20

true love dude, I mean it will make a

3:23

man do crazy shit including eternal

3:25

damnation eventually I feel like I

3:27

think for most of us that's how it feels

3:29

regardless Oh like when it ends, you

3:31

know, you might not literally be in jeopardy of

3:34

losing your soul, but it sure fucking felt like

3:36

you did Yeah, absolutely. Oh

3:38

that's universal that that knows no genders.

3:40

No bounds probably doesn't even know species

3:43

I'm sure there's some sheep that feel that

3:45

way. I'm not here to say no. Oh,

3:47

yeah dolphins. Oh, yeah, dolphin Oh, no, no

3:50

that smart heartbreak. Yeah, like a poor pie

3:52

perhaps. Oh A

3:54

poor pie. Okay. Yes, but this

3:56

really is one of the best

3:58

chronicled even though So least

4:01

well-known cases in paranormal history,

4:03

which is really weird, but

4:05

it also comes down to some things that we'll have to,

4:07

and obviously we're going to broach it

4:10

by the end, like the

4:12

perspective from which, from whence it comes. But we'll,

4:14

we'll deal with all that in its own time.

4:16

At first, you know, we're going to do a

4:18

little bit of a, even though it's only been

4:20

a week, a little bit of a recap, and

4:22

then we're going to get balls deep into this

4:24

crazy ass paranormal plight that this poor young man

4:26

is facing. This paranormal plight,

4:29

let's do it. Tonight. In

4:32

September of 1952, a

4:35

quiet, well-behaved, 13-year-old boy named

4:37

Cornelio Closet Jr. became,

4:40

in the blink of an eye, a

4:42

pale shadow of his former self. Already

4:45

small and thin, his refusal to eat

4:47

was literally causing him to waste away.

4:50

Though the doctors that examined him

4:52

could find no medical explanation, the

4:54

teen seemed to be running a

4:57

near-constant fever and began suffering crippling

4:59

bouts of insomnia. But

5:01

the sudden change in the boy wasn't just

5:03

physical. He also developed

5:05

a fiery temper and a morose

5:07

discontentment with everyone and everything around

5:10

him. Worse yet, he

5:12

began to manifest a penchant for

5:14

thievery and insolence that he had

5:16

never displayed before. And

5:20

those are two things that parents will not abide. No.

5:24

I mean, it's a hell of a combo though. You're

5:26

hanging out with your boys, you're like, dude, thievery and

5:29

insolence. What else are we doing? Insulin.

5:31

Yeah, no sugar today, bitches. We're

5:34

doing all of our stuff. Sugar-free

5:36

and shoplifting, baby. There it is. Okay.

5:40

Yeah. Traits that, among less

5:42

explicable incidents, got him kicked out

5:44

of school. Bizarre

5:46

as this abrupt wholesale personality shift

5:48

may have been, it would be

5:50

easy to credit these changes in

5:53

a 13 year old child to

5:55

a heady mix of hormones combined

5:57

with the often excruciating trials and

5:59

tribulations. of middle school life. But

6:02

those around Cornelio knew that something

6:04

else, or more specifically

6:06

someone else, was to

6:08

blame. Just before all

6:11

these changes occurred, Cornelio met a

6:13

beautiful, blonde-haired girl as he and

6:15

his best friend, Rudolfo, were walking

6:17

home from school. The

6:20

teenager was instantly smitten, and

6:22

as happened so often in

6:24

Young Love, Cornelio became obsessed

6:26

with his newfound inner maratha.

6:29

Again, this is a tale as

6:31

old as time, an adolescent

6:34

going through profound physical changes and

6:36

the attendant emotional turmoil, while in

6:38

the throes of his first crush

6:40

becomes withdrawn and sullen, angry

6:42

and confused, loses their appetite

6:44

and is unable to sleep.

6:47

Most of us would recognize these

6:49

symptoms as the inevitable growing pains

6:52

associated with leaving the simplicity of

6:54

childhood behind and learning to navigate

6:56

the often treacherous and always perplexing

6:58

pathways of becoming a young adult.

7:02

All of these factors almost certainly

7:04

apply to Cornelio's liver-worsening condition, but

7:06

there were a few things about

7:09

his new girlfriend that were very,

7:11

very different. It was, of

7:13

course, odd to see a young Caucasian teenager

7:15

living on her own in Manila in 1952,

7:19

or any time for that matter. But

7:21

that wasn't it. The first

7:23

and perhaps most strikingly unique aspect of

7:25

this girl was the fact that she

7:28

was invisible to everyone but Cornelio himself.

7:30

You mean that's big? That's a big

7:32

deal. That's a huge deal. That's a

7:34

question, Mark. That's how you introduce your

7:37

girlfriend. Here's my girlfriend. No one can

7:39

see her. She's from

7:41

Niagara Falls. She's currently here. You can't

7:43

see her. Exactly. All BT

7:45

dubs, she floats. And we

7:47

lie. There you go. So

7:49

true. So true. Love. The

7:52

second key difference was that the

7:54

moment she touched him, he also

7:56

vanished. That's important. The

8:00

third was her uncanny ability to teleport

8:02

through locked doors and barred windows in

8:04

order to steal away with the object

8:07

of her affection. The

8:09

fourth was that she could somehow change

8:11

her density and soar through the air

8:13

in any direction with no apparent means

8:15

of propulsion, not just for inorganic UFOs,

8:17

it also counts with little girls that

8:20

can do this kind of crazy shit. I mean so

8:22

far this is the best girlfriend ever. I mean, yep.

8:25

No fairness. No, honestly. I mean she's hitting all the points,

8:27

man. I guess you got to get into music. You're like,

8:29

ah, what do you like? What are you into?

8:32

I mean, you know she's

8:34

into Anya. There's just no fucking way

8:36

this chick's not into Anya. I would be into

8:38

that. I wouldn't be against that at all. In

8:40

fact, that would only sweeten the deal. Yeah.

8:43

Okay. But I mean, you're 13. You're

8:45

a skinny kid. You're a sixth grader. You're just starting

8:48

middle school. You do not have a place in this

8:50

world as no sixth grader really does. We're very few

8:52

anyway. And

8:54

this stunning girl, at least to you, manifests.

8:57

That alone, and she's interested in

9:00

you, would be fantastic. But

9:03

she can fly, turn you invisible, change

9:05

your density so that you can soar

9:07

through the air with her. I

9:09

mean, it seems like mad

9:12

perks on the surface. I mean,

9:14

besides destroying you mentally and

9:16

physically probably. Okay, so we're going to begin with that

9:18

as we broached last week. Yes.

9:20

Hey, you love. We've all done dumber

9:22

shit than this. There's pros and cons. Yes. Oh,

9:24

yeah. Love is not an easy road, Mark.

9:27

You know that. Yeah. There's

9:30

ups and downs, buddy. You know, can't all be

9:32

wine roses flying through the air, turning invisible. That's

9:35

the honeymoon phase. I'm a long haul trucker on

9:37

the road of love. You really are. Like more

9:40

so than anyone I've ever known. If

9:42

you're in for love, if you're in for a penny,

9:44

you're in for a pound, motherfucker. That's right. And

9:47

I love you for it. I set up camp till

9:49

you hate me. Oh, man. Oh,

9:53

that kind of self-assessment is so rare

9:55

to man. I mean, you

9:57

know, I'm very self-aware. Thank you, better help.

10:00

Oh, there you go. No, shit, I...

10:02

Yes, indeed. Plugging it. Oh,

10:04

yeah. And that's our advertisement, sweetie.

10:07

It's all you get, BetterHelp. Sorry.

10:12

Okay. So, I think

10:14

I left off Stranger Still. Did I read

10:16

that part yet? I believe you... Okay. Yeah.

10:20

She could carry him as well by merely touching him? I

10:22

believe so, yeah. Okay.

10:24

Though less physics-defying, the final

10:27

difference was nonetheless weird. And

10:29

that was the fact that as much time as

10:31

they spent together, and it was hours out of

10:33

every day and night for the better part of

10:35

a year, she never

10:37

once told her constant partner

10:40

her name. Oh. That's

10:42

a little weird. Not a deal breaker. No.

10:44

I mean, you're gonna have pet names, Honey

10:47

Pie, Sweetums. I don't know what you do.

10:49

I don't know what you say. I didn't

10:51

know my wife's actual name until like a

10:53

third date, maybe. I kept calling her like

10:55

Kim, her friend Kim. I was like, yeah,

10:57

no, Kim's cool. You corrected me numerous times.

10:59

I'm like, yeah, no, totally Kim's awesome. Just

11:02

for the record, yeah, that is a faux

11:04

pas. That is not an endearment. She

11:08

thought I was my brother Dave, so whatever. Oh boy.

11:11

We both were surprised to meet each other. So once you got

11:13

over your disappointment, you're like, oh fuck it,

11:15

let's get married? Yeah, fuck it. Once you

11:17

realized who each other was? Yeah, once it

11:19

came to agreement, I'm like, huh. On paper,

11:21

at least. Yeah. Okay. There

11:24

it is. All right. It

11:28

was at this point that

11:30

Cornellio's already dour disposition went

11:32

from melancholy to violent. He

11:35

began smashing dishes and getting into physical

11:37

altercations with his siblings and father, a

11:39

tough 19 year veteran of

11:41

the US Navy who found it

11:43

all but impossible to subdue his

11:45

smaller and no longer serene son.

11:48

This aggressive behavior extended to school causing

11:51

his sixth grade teacher, Mrs. Agosby, I

11:53

think I'm saying it right. Finally, to

11:55

wonder how it was that a boy

11:58

as tiny and frail as Cornellio. was

12:00

able to fend off as

12:02

many as four much larger

12:05

boys simultaneously. It

12:07

seemed as if something unnatural

12:09

was afoot. Her

12:11

suspicions were confirmed when, one day during

12:13

class while Cornelio was at the chalkboard,

12:16

he reached out to take the

12:18

hand of his unseen friend and

12:20

banished in front of the nearly

12:22

panic-stricken class, leaving behind the nausea-inducing

12:25

scent of, I shit you not,

12:27

burning hair. Not

12:30

sulfur, as is the typical road. Burning.

12:33

Like, maybe an ozone burn, maybe

12:35

indicating that it's a scientific thing,

12:37

like when you pop into another

12:39

realm or, I mean, just

12:42

teleport in general. Maybe some of

12:44

the ends of your hair get burned off and

12:46

that lingering stench is all that's left in your

12:48

wake. I don't know. Yeah.

12:53

Every time he gets invisible, his hair burns a little bit. His

12:56

poor little man stash gets burned

12:58

off. Can you imagine if you

13:00

lose your little boy man stash every time? That

13:03

would suck. Or bamf,

13:05

as Nightcrawler might have done. I sure

13:07

do miss my little boy man stash

13:10

because I trimmed mine and it's pretty

13:12

bad. You're going to learn to shave, dude. Listen,

13:15

I'm going Amish, okay? No, it's true. I came on

13:17

and that's the first thing I said to you. I

13:19

said, you look like the regretful Amish. You

13:22

look like someone who went reverse English and

13:24

now you really wish that hadn't happened.

13:26

But it's coming in. I mean,

13:28

it's struggling. It's a little upper

13:31

lip that could. My

13:33

new children's book. No. All

13:35

right. Getting

13:38

back to the story, you will recall that when

13:40

he popped out from his parents' living room

13:43

in the company of his siblings, the

13:45

scent, even though it wasn't specified at that point, so

13:48

I didn't write it down and I sort of came

13:50

across it during deeper research, was said to

13:52

be so terrible that they

13:54

all started vomiting on the floor. Yeah. And

13:57

like super farts or like sulfur. And

14:00

that's how I described it because it was implied

14:02

in some of the research that that must be

14:04

the set because that's always the set for supernatural

14:08

BAM thing but for sure in

14:10

reality It's the even worse scent

14:12

of burning fucking hair Which

14:14

is arguably among the three worst

14:17

things like bloated hobo fucking dead

14:19

on a railroad mid-August Three

14:21

weeks. Yeah, you know, there's

14:24

there's only a few things reflectors in hand

14:27

Rest in peace. He was a legendary

14:30

cryptid so So

14:32

specific. All right This

14:34

uncanny episode led directly to his teacher's

14:37

decision to enter into an early retirement

14:40

An off-duty police officer who'd been hired

14:42

by pastor Lester Sumrall who we discussed

14:45

in last week's episode And

14:47

will soon become a major figure in this story

14:49

to collect evidence in the case Interviewed

14:52

the teacher soon after her abrupt

14:54

departure where she claimed quote I

14:57

was terribly affected by these happenings in

15:00

my class. I decided before I lost

15:02

my mind completely. I should resign I

15:05

remember how the chain of events made

15:07

Cornell eo laugh and laugh. It

15:09

was a hideous kind of laugh It

15:11

didn't belong to a boy. In fact, it

15:13

didn't belong to a human being and we

15:15

brought that up last week But I thought

15:18

it bore repeating. Yeah, it's

15:20

a fucking Inhuman sound now,

15:22

I mean teleportation is hard for I suppose

15:24

any teacher to deal with and

15:26

apparently it really drove her to

15:29

drink I think literally and figuratively and she

15:31

could never go back and she had what

15:33

was Referred to at

15:35

the time as a nervous breakdown. I'm not

15:37

sure what the common nomenclature for it is

15:39

today, but She

15:41

didn't just get scared and leave class like

15:44

she had a hard time with reality for

15:46

a little bit poor lady So yeah, I

15:48

mean understandable, you know disappears and he's laughing

15:50

maniacally at you. You're like I'm fucking dawn

15:52

I got my 10 year fuck off and

15:55

it's such a you know, deeply ritualistic and

15:57

highly Catholic country though It is interesting to

15:59

note that that all the religions represented

16:01

in this story are Pentecostal, not

16:05

by any means the largest religious movement

16:07

in the Philippines. Just

16:10

an interesting side note, but

16:13

in a deeply Catholic country, just

16:15

like a lot of South American

16:17

countries, Mexico, and North America and

16:19

other places, fear

16:22

of the devil runs rampant. So at this point,

16:24

if you're thinking it's a hideous inhuman laugh and

16:26

they're teleporting, you're thinking you're having

16:28

a brush with the ultimate in, you know,

16:30

diabolical forces, and that probably helped drive her

16:32

to that state. Oh, for sure. No

16:36

doubt. During his so-called waking hours,

16:38

Cornelio was in agony. He

16:41

was hungry, but his stomach would no longer

16:43

tolerate food, and due to his lack of

16:45

sleep, he lived in a blurry haze of

16:47

exhaustion. Like an addict

16:49

getting a fix, those feelings

16:51

instantly evaporated when he touched the

16:53

hand of the seemingly angelic apparition

16:56

who'd adopted him. In

16:58

her company, he was never hungry or

17:00

tired, and his energy was boundless. Cornelio

17:03

would later tell investigators that the

17:05

moment they touched his body was

17:07

filled with a quote-unquote strange sensation,

17:09

and he was instantly compelled to go

17:11

with her. Even though he

17:14

did so willingly, it later occurred to him

17:16

that it was as if he had no

17:18

real choice in the matter. It

17:20

was, to cut to the quick, nearly

17:23

identical to an addiction. It

17:26

even got to the point where the surreal

17:28

sessions he spent with this enigmatic entity felt

17:30

more real than the life he once knew,

17:33

one which was quickly becoming

17:35

a living hell of rage,

17:38

malcontent, and all but unbearable

17:40

physical and mental anguish, all

17:42

of which caused Cornelio to violently

17:44

lash out at those around him.

17:48

In the alien entity Syllabus, sent

17:50

out with the short film The

17:52

Invisible Boy that Summerall's production company,

17:55

L-E-S-E-A, had produced based on the

17:57

events surrounding this case, father

18:00

described living with their son during

18:02

this tumultuous period. The

18:05

first time I noticed something wrong with Cornelio,

18:07

he stayed out late from school. When

18:10

he came home, he looked troubled and silent.

18:13

When I asked for an explanation of where he

18:15

had been and who was with him, he would

18:17

not answer. When I insisted, he

18:19

growled at me. I took

18:21

hold of him. He struggled against my hold and I

18:24

had to let him go. Then

18:26

I realized that my son was not himself.

18:28

He was fighting me for the first time. It

18:31

hurt me because Cornelio had not been

18:33

a particularly affectionate child. He

18:35

not only resisted me, but I remember he

18:38

snarled at me like an animal. I

18:40

was at a complete loss. I did

18:42

not know what to do. I did

18:44

not know what was happening to Cornelio.

18:47

His mother also recalled, quote, With

18:50

every passing day Cornelio became less

18:52

manageable. I tried everything. I was

18:54

kind to him. I tried being

18:56

harsh with him. All I

18:59

knew was that I had lost control of him. I

19:01

thought probably it was the bad company he was

19:04

keeping. Always a first go-to with parents and it

19:06

should be. Continuing

19:08

to quote, So I decided to practically

19:10

imprison him at home. Cornelio

19:13

refused to study his lessons. He would

19:15

sit in one corner of his room

19:18

alone, brooding. He would just

19:20

sit there staring at his plate, refusing

19:22

to eat, end quote, which sounds a

19:24

lot like my childhood with the full-on

19:26

exception of fucking refusing to eat. I

19:28

was all about eating. But

19:31

alone in my room brooding. Oh, Jesus

19:33

Christ. You described years of my childhood.

19:36

I think we all did that. No, I mean, it's what

19:38

you do. You just go in there, you put

19:41

on whatever, for me it was a cassette tape.

19:43

I'm like, I'm going to listen to Pearl Jam.

19:45

You don't get me, ma. Pearl

19:48

Jam. Even fro ho. Hey,

19:52

we all have our own car things. Got

19:55

to get the rage out. Listen to the

19:57

fucking. Yeah. I

20:00

mean I was a punk with rain and

20:02

blood but you know if you wanted to

20:04

be hardcore that's up to you. No actually

20:06

I remember like when I hit like the

20:08

hateful music phase where I'm like no one

20:10

fucking gets me. It was hammered smashed faced

20:12

by cannibal corpse. Wow that's

20:14

a big upgrade. Oh dude it was

20:16

huge. Yeah that makes sense. Fuck you

20:19

Eddie Vedder. You suck. Chris Barnes is

20:21

my new god. Yeah it was pretty

20:23

bad. Childhood rock

20:25

fair. Dude and then morbid angel came along and

20:27

then that was it. Game

20:29

changer. Come on. Yeah. Metal

20:34

and the isolation of the child who is

20:36

sure he was the first one not understood

20:38

and the first one ever to truly rebel

20:40

are like a match made in heaven. Totally

20:42

dude. I mean

20:44

it's flawless. So I mean yes I

20:46

completely get that. Adding

20:49

to his parents frustration was the

20:51

fact that Cornelia would vanish for

20:53

days at a time before suddenly

20:55

and inexplicably reappearing somewhere inside the

20:58

locked house as if nothing had

21:00

happened. In desperation Cornelia's

21:02

father a man in good standing

21:04

in the passe neighborhood where they

21:06

lived who dreaded police involvement and

21:08

the subsequent shame it might bring

21:10

his family decided that he needed

21:12

to get his son professional help.

21:15

Not knowing what else to do and fearing for

21:17

the safety of the rest of his brood. Cornelia

21:20

senior reluctantly one would hope

21:22

had his son committed to

21:24

a mental institution in

21:27

his 1983 book alien

21:29

entities beings from beyond.

21:31

Summerall quoted Cornelia quote

21:34

I was becoming sickly impale. I was hungry but

21:37

I could no longer eat. I would put food

21:39

in my mouth and I would spit it out.

21:42

I began breaking dishes and glasses. I

21:44

wanted to break and smash anything I

21:46

touched. I knew my father was

21:48

at his wit's end. He tried talking to me

21:50

once more but I refused to answer. I pretended

21:53

to be feeling ill then I

21:55

leaped suddenly in a wild uncontrolled

21:58

manner. insane

22:00

so he took me to the mental hospital

22:02

for a checkup." The

22:05

institution in question was the 4200 bed

22:09

national mental hospital founded in

22:11

1928 in Metro

22:13

Manila. So his

22:16

next stop, the suicidal tendencies

22:18

saw him. That's like

22:20

on the nose national mental hospital. Like Jesus, okay.

22:22

Yeah. You couldn't have came up with something a

22:25

little bit floofier and nicer. Dude, it's 52. It

22:27

was built in 28. They didn't start kinder, gentler

22:29

names, I

22:34

think until maybe the 70s or 80s and

22:36

then it didn't really catch on until the

22:38

90s and beyond. Like Bridge of Hope or

22:40

some shit. Yeah, somebody's something of something. Yeah,

22:45

gentle cuddling away the bad thoughts

22:47

or something. Yeah, come here and

22:49

be cool. There you

22:51

go. I mean, they were mostly called before

22:53

then psychopathic wards. Not

22:56

ironically, just boom. Right. Instantly stigmatizing anyone

22:58

who went there. And of course, the

23:00

conditions were aberrant. I mean, not maybe

23:03

as bad as like Bedlam in the

23:05

1800s, but not fucking great.

23:07

I mean, yeah, I found it in 28.

23:09

Yeah, there was a lot of help happening.

23:11

You know, some shady. I mean, I don't

23:13

even want to think about the hygiene, but

23:15

the care must have been a nightmare. Fucking

23:17

awful, dude. It's terrible. A bad

23:19

scene. I think we can all agree. And

23:22

probably not fantastic in 52, if we're

23:24

all going to be honest about it.

23:26

Well, yeah, no. Yeah. So. All right,

23:29

man. Well, that sucks, but. So dad

23:31

brings Cornelio. Bummer. To

23:33

the National Mental Hospital. Under

23:36

intense questioning and against his

23:38

ethereal girlfriend's express wishes, Cornelio

23:41

finally broke down and admitted that

23:43

he was being swept away by

23:45

a beautiful, albeit invisible girl who

23:47

like an insidious version of Peter

23:49

Pan would swoop in take his

23:51

hand and whisk him past locked

23:53

windows up into the sky where

23:55

the pair would go do or

23:57

see anything they

23:59

wanted to. Though his

24:01

medical records were never made public,

24:03

it seems reasonable to assume that

24:05

the doctors treating Cornelio thought he

24:08

might be manifesting symptoms of schizophrenia,

24:10

or worse yet, suffering from a brain

24:12

tumor. While there,

24:15

it seems Cornelio was on his best

24:17

behavior, and when a battery of both

24:19

psychological and medical tests showed that there

24:21

was nothing diagnostically wrong with their son,

24:24

authorities assured his parents that he was just

24:26

an average boy who would be better off

24:29

living at home. Describing his

24:31

time in the hospital, Cornelio said,

24:33

quote, To further baffle the

24:35

poor people at the hospital, I found

24:37

their tests easy. The doctors

24:39

were kind, but while they talked to me about being

24:41

a good boy, I don't think

24:44

I was listening, end quote. So

24:48

you know, he's just acing the test, but

24:50

he's acting pretty cool. They're telling

24:52

about being a good boy. He's I

24:54

assume politely listening, but giving zero fucks.

24:56

Yeah. You just

24:58

got to show up and be like, yeah, no, cool. Just, you

25:00

know, put on your game face, make it seem like you care.

25:02

It's like, fuck off. You're playing the game to get the fuck

25:04

out. That's how I got through high school. Absolutely.

25:07

Sort of. Put on the strong face

25:09

and listen to cannibal corpse. That's right.

25:11

Despite his clean bill of health, Cornelio's

25:14

father was not yet prepared to begin

25:16

dealing with his son's behavior, much less

25:18

the paranormal antics he was indulging in.

25:21

And apparently itching to emulate

25:23

a villain in a Dickens

25:25

novel, he immediately sent Cornelio

25:28

to what Somerol accurately labeled

25:30

as a correctional institution for

25:32

juvenile delinquents. What

25:34

he referred to was the Philippine training

25:36

school for boys, which was one

25:39

of five public benefit works, including

25:41

orphanages reformatories, homes for the intellectually

25:43

disabled and aged and hospitals for

25:46

those suffering from Hansen's disease or

25:48

leprosy, as it was more commonly

25:50

known, that were founded in the

25:53

Metro Manila Center on December 3rd,

25:55

1925, all

25:58

under the collective title of wealth. So

26:01

he brought his kid to the juvenile delinquent

26:03

center at welfare bill. Not

26:06

being familiar with global adolescent oriented

26:08

correctional institutions of the 1950s,

26:11

I'm forced to wonder how one might commit a

26:13

13 year old to reform school without any help

26:15

from the justice system. But Cornelio

26:17

Sr. was said to have been an influential

26:19

man. So much so that

26:21

he managed to keep the Philippines notoriously

26:24

paranormal hungry press at bay for over

26:26

a decade. So perhaps he

26:28

simply pulled some strings to get his

26:30

kid incarcerated or maybe a parent was

26:32

allowed to involuntarily induct a child back

26:35

in the early 50s. However

26:37

it went down, Cornelio now found

26:40

himself behind bars. But

26:42

this time he was now under

26:44

the well regulated care of mental

26:46

health professionals, but a penal system

26:48

used to dealing with all manners

26:51

of hooligans, scufflaws, and incorrigibles. The

26:54

small boy would seem to have been in

26:56

over his head, but with his guardian angel,

26:59

or perhaps demon as some suggest,

27:01

Cornelio was in no more danger

27:03

here than anywhere else. When

27:06

he was attacked by older, much

27:08

larger kids on the recreational field,

27:10

Cornelio, as he had in the

27:13

classroom, fought back with diabolical intensity.

27:15

And when he bested the bullies on

27:17

the playing field, he'd then take out

27:19

his preternatural rage on the orderlies who

27:21

had rushed in to break up the

27:24

melee, injuring them as well. So he's

27:26

a bad act. Did he run in

27:28

the prison yard, dude? I

27:30

guess that's what you do. I hear when

27:33

you're a new fish to use the parlance

27:35

of the incarcerated from decades ago, I assume,

27:37

you have to find the biggest guy in

27:39

the yard and best him

27:41

in a fight. And that's how you, I

27:44

guess, keep the corn hole tight. I mean,

27:46

Cornelio. This

27:48

is based on comedians and prison

27:50

movies, thankfully not personal experience. I

27:52

mean, Cornelio is just fucking rushing

27:55

and just, he's just beating the

27:57

balls off everybody. He's stopping with

27:59

him. order lease to the staff so he's

28:01

making you know then again yet

28:03

you know it's not even really him he's

28:05

got the supernatural power of his super cruel

28:07

girlfriend so yeah that's true yeah we can't

28:09

forget that but I have to admit in

28:11

a cinematic sense that's cool like

28:14

when the big you know reform school bullies

28:17

you know I keep thinking like what was that movie

28:19

original bad boys not obviously the the Fresh Prince

28:21

version but like the Sean Penn one from back

28:23

in the day which had the kurgan as the

28:25

villain he was the older kid who was the

28:27

villain of the police and he was in like more brown

28:30

Tory yeah I think it was Clancy Brown forever ago and

28:32

I love Clancy Brown I can't believe I forgot his name

28:35

in this kind of like a dark and

28:38

who knows how how well watched they are

28:40

especially in this early age and they're

28:42

about to beat up this tiny little kid

28:44

and he just goes fucking buckwalled that's

28:47

badass like good on him and

28:49

his girlfriend nameless though she may

28:51

be the revival dude nameless

28:54

and formless apparently she may be

28:57

in his classic demons the answer

28:59

book which I absolutely need to

29:01

get a copy of some are

29:04

all explained that Cornell Eos violent

29:06

outbursts became so intense that they

29:08

had to resort to extreme punitive

29:10

measures quote doctors at

29:12

the National Mental Mental Center just

29:14

never used to saying that had

29:16

no answers and in desperation Cornell

29:18

Eos senior brought his son to

29:20

the juvenile correction facility but so

29:22

disruptive was the boy that he

29:24

was tied to his bed and

29:26

quote Cornell Eos confirmed

29:29

this stating quote here I immediately

29:31

caused trouble I fought everyone even

29:33

the officials because of my violent

29:35

temper I was often roped to

29:38

my bed and quote

29:42

as in the mental hospital that's fucking horrible by

29:44

the way no matter what no matter what demons

29:46

afoot no matter how badass this kid is tying

29:48

a kid to a bed on a fucking acceptable

29:50

52 what are you not not

29:53

good not ideal yeah I

29:55

didn't want to have to stop for an editorial and I know

29:57

all the listeners already know it but yeah did

30:00

not acknowledge it seems wrong. This

30:02

is bad okay moving on. Yeah that's it.

30:04

That's literally a pin of

30:07

badness here continuing. We are not

30:09

pro this. No, Jesus Christ.

30:11

I mean consensual full adult tying that's a

30:13

different thing. All right let's not even go

30:15

there. Let's say we're anti-tying people

30:17

down there you go. Especially children. As

30:19

in the mental hospital, Cornelio's stay at

30:21

the training school for boys was also

30:24

marked by a lack of supernatural incidents.

30:26

Perhaps indicating that the mysterious girl was

30:28

trying to keep a low profile and

30:30

avoid causing too much of a stir

30:32

with governmental agencies. Whatever the

30:34

case may be, Cornelio, either because they were

30:37

sick of dealing with him or the fact

30:39

that he was illegally incarcerated in the

30:41

first place was eventually released leading

30:43

the boy to say quote, I

30:46

was finally returned to my home. My

30:48

parents seem to have resigned

30:51

themselves to living with a

30:53

monster. That sucks. But that's how

30:55

you see yourself years later. Yeah,

30:57

Jesus, dark. It

31:00

was then when all hope

31:02

seemed lost that according

31:04

to Pastor Summerall a ray

31:06

of hope finally arrived in

31:09

his book miracles don't just happen which was the first

31:11

book to mention this case at least the first book

31:13

I'm aware of. Pastor Summerall relayed

31:15

an account of a visit that was

31:17

paid to Cornelio's father by quote, an

31:20

old friend who had served with him

31:22

in the United States Navy and quote,

31:25

who had become a Methodist pastor one

31:27

Reverend Roman Roman excuse me,

31:30

we saw the

31:32

Reverend had come to see the boy's father on business

31:34

and it stayed for lunch. Afterwards,

31:36

Cornelio senior confided in his old

31:38

friend regarding the terrible experiences his

31:41

family had been going through. Summerall

31:43

wrote quote, Mr. Closa had told

31:46

the minister that in the past

31:48

year his son had mysteriously disappeared

31:50

and reappeared about 100 times.

31:53

He said Cornelio would be sitting in

31:55

the dining room with the family and

31:57

simply dissolve into thin air without a.

32:00

window or door moving. Or

32:02

he would be sitting in the front room

32:04

with his brothers and sisters playing and suddenly

32:06

the children would cry, Cornelio is gone. He

32:09

could not be found in the house or in

32:11

the street." In

32:14

his alien entities' beams from beyond, an

32:17

adult Cornelio commented on his meeting

32:20

with the Reverend Quizol that afternoon,

32:23

"...the pastor took a long look at

32:25

me, and I scowled at him. I

32:28

was sure my father was very displeased at the way

32:30

I was behaving in front of his friend." In

32:33

the film, The Invisible Boy, a

32:35

then 25-year-old Cornelio recalled the event.

32:38

"...Pastor Quizol is an old family

32:40

friend, and he never did me

32:42

any harm, and yet here I

32:44

was being completely discourteous and offensive.

32:47

Pastor Quizol kept talking to me. Truly

32:49

I wanted to listen, but I couldn't."

32:53

It was then that the girl made her

32:55

presence known to the boy, or then boy,

32:58

who continued, "...I

33:00

could hear evil laughter outside the

33:02

house." It was the

33:04

alien entity. It was the voice of the

33:06

girl saying, I should run away. Pastor

33:09

Quizol kept saying that he wanted to

33:11

help me, that he knew what was

33:13

wrong with me, and that I had

33:16

to agree to let him help me.

33:18

There were very brief moments when I felt

33:20

reassured, and it seemed to me that truly

33:23

they were all trying to help me. I

33:25

was puzzled and thoroughly uncomfortable.

33:28

I tried struggling from his grasp.

33:31

The voice of the little girl said,

33:33

I should run away, but Pastor Quizol's

33:35

hand held me firmly. Cornelio

33:37

later claimed, the pastor told

33:39

my father he knew someone who would help

33:42

me, someone who had helped others.

33:44

He said I needed help badly, and

33:46

that I had to be prayed for

33:48

immediately. He told me

33:51

the devil himself was in my

33:53

body. Not something

33:55

anyone wants to hear at any age. I mean,

33:57

it's the devil! I mean, it's kind of a

33:59

devil. Yeah, I mean it's right. I

34:01

mean eventually they get there. It's a while.

34:04

Yes, I always go to the devil It's

34:06

not they're not gonna be like no, it's

34:08

uh, you know Terry

34:10

is in your body. He's a fucking dude.

34:12

No, it's always a devil clear Oh my

34:15

god a possession by Terry would be the

34:17

fucking worst. Yeah. Well, nope, you got the

34:19

devil unfortunate So you guys

34:21

are both right that it's absolutely inevitable

34:23

And when you're dealing with religious figures

34:26

as obviously the pastor we saw is

34:28

yeah That's where it's naturally

34:30

going to go. It never struck me

34:32

nor as we will be discussing later.

34:34

Did it strike? Brad

34:36

Stieger, you know known paranormalist

34:39

paranormal investigator and author That

34:43

it was a case of possession. It

34:45

seems like he's suffering Clear deleterious

34:47

effects from hanging out with this

34:49

girl, whatever her or yeah, maybe

34:52

but it doesn't seem like he is being Classically

34:55

occupied by a demonic force or

34:57

any other force Terry or otherwise

35:00

Yeah, no, this is kind of a weird

35:02

not necessarily like possession take over you're just

35:04

kind of like well I guess an ascension kind of

35:06

taking them over You are well

35:08

appear the obsession of young love whether

35:10

or not it's paranormal Influenced always seems

35:12

like you're being taken over by something,

35:14

but that is not Classically

35:17

religious defined possession, you know, yeah

35:19

being occupied by a parasitic force

35:21

of some sort There's

35:23

backwards doing shit So all that crab walk

35:26

crab build the scariest thing they ever cut

35:28

out of that movie had that been in

35:30

the movie in the 70s I think I

35:32

think audiences would have lost their change America.

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now back to the show. Failing

37:24

for his friend's plight and fearing

37:26

for his potentially possessed progeny, take

37:28

that alliteration haters, Reverend

37:31

Quisol took the case to

37:33

then superintendent for the Manila

37:35

district of the Methodist Church,

37:37

the Reverend Ruben Candelaria. Candelaria

37:43

made an appointment to visit the

37:45

Cloza family along with Reverend Quisol.

37:48

Upon their arrival, he was treated as an

37:50

honored guest as befitting a man of his

37:52

eminence. Then, Reverend

37:54

Candelaria, his father, and Reverend Quisol

37:56

sat down to talk to Cornelio

37:58

about his plan. bizarre experiences.

38:02

The team confided in the clergymen,

38:04

explaining to them how it all

38:06

began in an overgrown field a

38:08

year earlier when he'd first seen

38:10

the floating blonde figure. He

38:13

told them about their wild adventures touring

38:15

the city and countryside and sneaking into

38:17

the cinema. Cornelio Sr. confirmed

38:19

that, while his son had been supposedly

38:21

locked in his room, he would brag

38:23

to the family about a movie he

38:25

had just seen at a theater miles

38:27

away from their home. When

38:30

Cornelio's father rushed out to confirm if it

38:32

was playing where his son claimed, he was

38:35

always crestfallen to find out that it

38:37

was true. Somehow, beyond

38:39

explanation, Cornelio not only knew what

38:41

movies were playing where, but he

38:44

could give detailed accounts of the

38:46

contents of each film. It

38:49

was uncanny. So I

38:51

mean, I'm sure that the listings were put

38:53

in newspapers, as they always were back then,

38:55

everywhere. So you could say, oh yeah, he

38:57

knew what was playing at whatever theater, even

38:59

if it was like 10 miles away across

39:01

Manila or whatever. Big

39:03

yips. But to have like a full

39:06

breakdown of the story, that's a little

39:08

less explicable. Yeah, this is like spoiler alerts

39:10

for days. Maybe he's like, yeah, so then

39:12

in Dune, the big Jezora. Oh, I

39:14

know. Don't tell me about it. He's loading movies

39:16

for everybody, the whole family. And

39:19

Obi-Wan died spoiler alert. Filipinos,

39:21

like Mexicans and the Americans

39:24

of the 1950s and

39:26

a few other cultures, Indians, obviously, and

39:28

the Hong Kong population love cinema,

39:31

like adore cinema. It was number

39:33

one in

39:35

entertainment long before television

39:37

was not prevalent in any of those countries at

39:39

the time. Even the United States, it really wasn't

39:42

overdone. So anyway, cinema was super popular.

39:44

You keep ruining movies. The fuck are

39:46

you doing, kid? Yeah, man. It's so

39:48

similar, dude. It was

39:51

at this juncture that accounts get a bit

39:53

jumbled. So I will play out the timeline

39:55

to the best of my abilities, which is

39:57

to say there's a lot of different. things

40:00

that chronicle it. A lot of them are just summer all

40:03

and a little bit of steeger, but

40:05

I think it plays out basically in this order, so

40:07

we're just going to run with it. Evidently,

40:11

the Reverend Candelaria decided that

40:13

the boy's best option would

40:15

be to receive an exorcism.

40:17

No shit, Sherlock. To

40:20

that end, the Reverend Quizal

40:22

took Cornelio's arm, but to

40:24

the shock of all involved,

40:26

the boy vanished. Not

40:28

just visibly, but literally evaporating

40:31

from his grip. It

40:33

was then that all involved realized that

40:36

they would need expert help. Enter

40:39

demonologist, evangelist, healer,

40:41

and missionary, American

40:44

Pentecostal pastor, Lester

40:46

Frank Summerall. The

40:49

man, the myth, the fucking legend.

40:52

A world traveler, starting

40:54

in 1934, Summerall had taken

40:56

his ministry to as far

40:58

flung places as Tahiti, New

41:01

Zealand, and South America. He

41:03

established a church in Brisbane,

41:06

Australia, and journeyed with legendary

41:08

archeologist and discoverer of the

41:10

tomb of Tutankhamun, Howard Carter,

41:12

throughout Eastern Asia and Europe.

41:15

During the 1950s, he moved

41:17

his family to the Philippines

41:20

and focused his ministry work

41:22

on that region, eventually establishing

41:24

the Cathedral of Praise in

41:26

Manila, which with over 24,000

41:28

members is the largest congregation in

41:31

the Philippines. I'm assuming congregation in

41:33

this case means members

41:35

of a single church. Yeah,

41:37

and obviously there's more Roman Catholics and

41:40

more whatever, but that's the

41:42

context. During the

41:44

course of his life, Summerall would

41:46

write numerous books ranging from topics

41:48

such as evangelism, miracles, demons, and

41:51

angels, as well as the dangers

41:53

involved with movies and Roman Catholicism,

41:55

two of the most diabolical things

41:57

you can be able to do.

42:00

involved in. Wow, that's a

42:02

wide breath. But

42:04

at the time, he was well

42:06

regarded in religious circles as a

42:08

healer and exorcist of some renown.

42:11

In Miracles Don't Just Happen, Sumerol

42:13

wrote about his first connection to

42:16

this curious case. Quote,

42:19

One of the strangest encounters in

42:21

my travels in more than one

42:23

hundred countries of the world took

42:25

place at the Knox Memorial Methodist

42:27

Church in Manila, the oldest Protestant

42:29

church in the Philippines. I

42:31

was conducting a three-night salvation and

42:34

healing revival. In the

42:36

prayer line, one night stood a

42:38

Methodist pastor, Reverend Roman Quisol, with

42:40

a youth about twelve years old

42:43

and his parents. When

42:45

I approached them for prayer, the pastor

42:47

said that the boy, Cornelio Closa

42:49

Jr., was a

42:51

bad boy and that he disappeared.

42:54

I thought he meant the boy ran

42:56

away, so I suggested to the parents

42:59

that a good paddling might remedy the

43:01

matter. The pastor looked

43:03

bewildered. "'Brother Sumerol, you

43:05

do not understand,' he said. "'This

43:08

boy disappears into thin air and

43:10

might disappear right now from my

43:12

hands.' Suddenly

43:14

I felt a cold chill ripple over my

43:16

whole being. By looking directly

43:19

into the boy's eyes, I could see

43:21

he was demon possessed." He said, "'Yeah,

43:23

try slapping this ass now, buddy. See

43:25

what happens.'" He said,

43:28

"'You're the old fiery fist.'"

43:30

"'Yeah, that's right. My girlfriend's

43:32

gonna come and fuck you up, dude.'" "'Yeah,

43:34

that's definitely a case of all you shouldn't

43:36

have done that shit.'" "'Yeah, sorry, dude. You

43:39

think you're gonna slap me in the ass?

43:41

Wrong. I'm gonna slap your ass, father.'" "'My lady's

43:43

over here and that's gonna get fucking dark.' "'When the

43:45

kid turns the table, he's like, I'm gonna paddle you,

43:47

buddy. Get ready. This is gonna get

43:49

real weird for the both of us.'" But

43:52

of course, Sumrall sees the

43:54

demon. You

43:56

know, healers and exorcists don't want

43:58

to do. be

44:00

like, demo'd. Mm-hmm. All right. Well,

44:03

absolutely. Maybe let's get some help now. In Summerall's

44:06

alien entities, beings from beyond, I'm going

44:08

to jump back and forth between these

44:10

two references because this is the one

44:12

where, oh well, I'll just keep reading.

44:14

Cornelio himself describes the same moment. My

44:17

parents brought me to church to see

44:19

Lester Summerall. The pastor Quizal

44:21

met us there. I was

44:23

very uncomfortable and wanted to run away.

44:26

The girl made her appearance just outside

44:28

the church door. She

44:30

looked different, not pretty anymore. She

44:33

looked ugly. When she motioned

44:35

to me, I hid my face. I

44:38

looked again and she had transformed

44:40

into something positively horrible, and

44:42

she did not look like a girl or

44:44

a woman. Summerall

44:47

continued with his own account. I

44:49

laid my hands upon him and asked God

44:52

to break the circuit of evil power so

44:54

that this demon spirit would not be able

44:56

to re-enter the boy. I

44:58

prayed for his salvation for his

45:00

distressed Roman Catholic parents, all

45:03

making converts. Now I see where this is going. The

45:06

agony of the prayer exhausted me

45:08

physically, but I knew that God

45:10

had answered with deliverance. From

45:13

that moment, Cornelio never

45:15

disappeared again. Cornelio,

45:19

tellingly in Summerall's book, so

45:22

just note the source, ended

45:25

on a similarly uplifting

45:27

and undeniably evangelical note.

45:29

Quote, I felt cleansed,

45:31

purified, and my body was mine

45:33

again. I joined my parents

45:36

as the song in church rose in glory.

45:38

I took my place with the people. Reverend

45:41

Summerall reminded me that there was

45:43

truly much to be thankful for.

45:46

I had been in the house of the devil and

45:49

enslaved to him. Through

45:51

his help, Jesus Christ and all His

45:53

power had made me whole and good

45:55

again, by the blood of Jesus Christ,

45:57

by His power, without measure and without

46:00

and he had saved me

46:02

from eternal damnation." End

46:04

quote. Hetty stuff. You

46:08

lost your girlfriend, dude.

46:10

She turned all ugly and

46:12

demon-y on you, man. So

46:14

they say. Well,

46:18

I mean, girl was

46:20

pretty cool. What did Jesus do for you? What

46:22

did he do for you? I'm just saying. Yeah,

46:24

he just ruined the best thing you ever had.

46:27

Exactly. Way to go. What

46:29

did Jesus thing to do? Give up shit

46:31

that makes you happy? Sweet. I mean, in

46:33

all fairness, he was slowly dying

46:36

of starvation. I mean, you figure that

46:38

part out. It's fine. Sure. I

46:41

mean, you know, you know, Swellison VA, intravenous. You

46:43

can figure out some. It's love. I never

46:45

want to stand in the way of love.

46:47

No. And I do have some doubts about

46:49

how this is portrayed, which obviously we're all

46:51

discussing. It's a little, yeah, it's a bit

46:54

skewed here, I think, to one direction, but

46:56

yeah. Oh, you think? Yeah. I think it's

46:58

a little bit of a disadvantage. It's okay.

47:00

All right. All

47:03

right. In the days that

47:05

followed that intense spiritual showdown in

47:07

the Knox Memorial Methodist Church, Sumerall

47:10

paid a visit to the Clotha family. After

47:13

refreshments and pleasantries had been dispensed

47:16

with, Pastor Sumerall and Quizal sat

47:18

down to talk with the now

47:20

spiritually unshackled teen. It

47:23

was then that Sumerall asked the boy what it

47:25

felt like to touch the girl. Quizal's

47:28

response was recorded in Miracles Don't Just

47:30

Happen. She

47:32

was always cold and never felt warm.

47:36

The interrogation was further reported with the

47:38

pastor's additional queries. So now I'm just

47:40

going to read the passage. I

47:43

questioned him further. If

47:45

she only enticed him in a sweet way

47:47

or if she was demanding. He

47:50

looked at me with a kind of

47:52

frightened look and said she would grab

47:54

him and become very angry, demanding that

47:56

he obey her every wish. Then

47:58

I asked him where they would go. He

48:00

said they went to the movie theaters and as

48:03

no one could see them, they would walk right

48:05

in without paying. They also

48:07

sometimes went to restaurants and he said

48:09

that they had visited the Philippines International

48:11

Fair being held in the Luneta. But

48:15

mostly they loved to travel through the

48:18

woods and take long walks in the

48:20

country. I asked

48:22

Cornelio what this little girl thought about

48:24

his parents and he said she did

48:27

not like them because they were against

48:29

his disappearing. I asked

48:31

him if anyone else had seen the girl.

48:33

He said he was the only one who

48:35

could see her and that she was standing

48:37

near him most of the time, which is

48:39

an element that we didn't actually broach earlier.

48:42

It seems like she showed up and they left, but her

48:45

just constantly being his invisible companion is

48:47

even eerier in a lot of ways.

48:51

Continuing. At this point, I

48:53

drew my chair close to Cornelio and

48:55

said, When you looked directly at

48:58

the face of this creature, could you not

49:00

see she was not a girl at all?

49:03

He looked surprised because I was the first

49:05

person who had ever questioned this. He

49:07

answered, You are right. She

49:09

is not really a girl at all. I

49:12

continued, When you looked really close into

49:14

the creature's face, could you not tell

49:16

that it wasn't even young? Again,

49:19

he looked surprised and said, Yes,

49:21

she was not young at all. Then

49:24

I said, This was an evil

49:26

spirit to torment and ruin your life. Finally,

49:29

it would have destroyed your soul in hell.

49:33

Cornelio said, Yes, many times she asked

49:35

me to go away and never return,

49:37

but I was afraid to give consent.

49:40

Then, with a radiant smile, he added,

49:43

I never thought I could be free and now

49:45

I am happy to be delivered. I used to

49:47

see her all the time, even before she used

49:49

to touch me and ask me to go away

49:51

with her. The night you prayed

49:53

for me, she was standing at the church door,

49:55

begging me to come with her. But

49:58

I have not seen her since you prayed for me. and I

50:00

am glad that God has set me free."

50:05

So ends the saga of the

50:08

so-called invisible boy, at least

50:10

as far as Lester Summerall was concerned.

50:13

Prayers were said, God's light was shown,

50:15

and the evil entity vanquished. Just

50:18

that simple, and perhaps it was so. But

50:21

as anyone uncomfortable with interrogation

50:24

techniques sometimes employed in hypnotic

50:26

regressions will quickly note the

50:28

good pastor's final discussion with the boy was

50:31

at best leading

50:33

and at worst demanding.

50:37

Those questions and those

50:39

answers really sound like somebody who knows

50:41

what they are expected to do. Yeah,

50:44

no, 100%. Repeating the lines. Yeah.

50:47

Yeah. Maybe Cornelio's experience genuinely

50:50

ceased that day when Summerall,

50:52

Quisol, and the entire Knox

50:54

congregation prayed over him. Or

50:58

maybe, just maybe, he was sick

51:00

and tired of being forced into

51:02

mental institutions and reform schools. Perhaps

51:05

Cornelio was tired of disappointing his parents.

51:08

Maybe he just decided that it was best

51:10

if he kept this whole thing, whatever may

51:12

or may not have remained, a secret

51:14

for the rest of his days. Days

51:17

which, according to his own admission, were

51:20

flight and teleportation free. Even

51:23

after he came out publicly to discuss

51:25

these events in the mid-sixties to coincide

51:27

with the release of Summerall's film on

51:29

the case. At

51:31

this point, Cornelio was a married

51:34

25-year-old with two children who at

51:36

least claimed to no longer be

51:39

involved in any paranormal experiences. I

51:42

sincerely hope that was the case, because

51:44

no matter what was responsible for this

51:47

year-long episode, it clearly took an incredible

51:49

toll not only on the young boy,

51:51

but on his family and friends as

51:53

well. Even so,

51:55

the absurdity of the situation was not

51:58

lost on Cornelio. In a nice In

52:00

a 1965 interview with correspondent

52:02

Vincente Malawang of United Press

52:05

International, the wire service, he

52:07

was quoted as saying, If you

52:09

told me the same story, I wouldn't believe you

52:12

either. I would laugh in your face. My

52:14

wife knows the story, but the children

52:17

wouldn't understand. Besides, I

52:19

would be just as happy if I

52:21

could just forget it ever happened. It

52:24

seems like a frightful dream, a nightmare,

52:27

but I know it happened

52:29

and nothing can ever change

52:31

that fact. Oh,

52:33

the invisible boy of the Peter Pan

52:36

possession part 2, he lost his

52:39

love demon. I

52:43

don't know, he lost her. But you

52:45

know, you're talking about the questioning,

52:47

it's kind of interesting how the guy's like, well, when

52:49

you looked, you saw that it wasn't a girl, right?

52:52

And then he kind of pauses and he's like, yeah,

52:54

like, what the fuck you

52:56

talking about? I mean, wait, it wasn't a girl

52:59

the entire time? She's not

53:01

really a girl at all. I continued when you looked

53:03

in the creature's face, could you not tell it? Or

53:06

yeah, could you tell she's not a girl? He looks

53:08

surprised and he said, you are right. She is not

53:10

a girl at all. Could

53:12

you tell she wasn't young? She's like, yes, she

53:14

was not young at all. I know. I

53:17

mean, those joys over there, they're not the ones you're

53:19

looking for. I'm looking at the drug. Move along. Move

53:22

along. Right. These are not the joys I'm looking

53:24

for. Yes. So I guess, yeah,

53:27

they didn't, it didn't require much of

53:29

an exorcism really. They just kind of

53:31

put hands on them and they're like,

53:33

you're free. And then she turned ugly

53:35

and left. It's the easy, peasyest, not

53:38

even exorcism ever. And

53:40

in the short film, it's actually done pretty well. They

53:43

don't have a little blonde girl doing it. They have

53:45

a little Filipino girl doing it, but she does pretty

53:47

good and they put her in some makeup, not particularly

53:49

hideous, but some boils or whatnot. She's

53:51

just like seething in the doorway and he's

53:53

like the sweating young lad trying to figure

53:55

it out. But it doesn't play

53:57

as that dramatic. It's just like. No

54:00

is a them for. The prayer was

54:02

like one sentence. like the barrier has

54:04

literally even read it in the tax.

54:07

Just like Black Roast Bay than it

54:09

plugin. All of a good these yeah

54:11

no backs on hit Green Hell they're

54:13

young. Yeah? exactly. Cool. Well Immersion? Yes.

54:15

Oh. Into Rob a

54:18

ration though it's still if he because

54:20

some role as the source from in

54:22

Miracles don't just happen he writes ah.

54:25

Reverend. Reverend Each a baker of

54:27

Formosa, a veteran missionary to China.

54:29

in offer several books, became intensely

54:31

interested in this miracle cure. Dealt

54:33

with. Demon. Power for many years

54:35

and The Orient which is super dated

54:37

for contestants. When Reverend Baker was travelling

54:40

from the United States to Formosa, he

54:42

stopped in the Philippines for a couple

54:44

days in order to interview this young

54:46

man in the company. With

54:48

the Methodist Bishop, he spent two

54:50

days thoroughly investigating the veracity of

54:52

the stories Mr. Baker wrote Quote:

54:54

There is no question in my

54:56

mind as to the reality of

54:58

this affair as you have recorded

55:00

it to the thinking mind. this

55:03

is a wonderful revelation of the

55:05

realities of the invisible world and

55:07

this healing shows the reality of

55:09

miracles as and Bible days. Facts

55:11

are facts truth established by sufficient

55:13

evidence. Cornelia Close, a junior, was

55:15

able by spirit power to pass.

55:17

Into a state of consciousness,

55:19

invisibility, move about independent of

55:22

material matter and again return

55:24

to normal condition and quote.

55:27

But. Of course, this corroboration. Is

55:29

printed in one of some Roles books

55:31

and it is by a fellow reverend

55:33

who as every other year who might

55:36

write very honest, who might be an

55:38

impeccable when it is and ask the

55:40

and credentials but has every reason to

55:42

support the demonic allegation will yeah we

55:44

I mean that's team teammate, team, anti

55:47

demonized, their human rights killer jam. you

55:49

know they have to do that. So

55:51

so good at. let's move on to

55:53

a more secular idea of it which

55:55

goes back to of the place where

55:57

I originally came across this. I'm. Ah,

56:02

We. Are just read what I wrote here

56:04

as to what was the cause of

56:06

this long lasting situation. One can only

56:08

guess. As mentioned earlier, bread Steger, who

56:10

reported on this event in his book

56:13

the Awful Thing In The Attic seem

56:15

convinced that Cornelio was dealing with an

56:17

inter dimensional interloper or maybe even a

56:19

more bizarre manifestation of his own psyche

56:21

Sonjica. Read a quote from the book

56:24

here. Although.

56:27

We are pleased to learn that Cornelio Closer

56:29

is now able to lead a normal life.

56:31

We are still left with this great mystery.

56:34

Were. Heady Ben. Was. The

56:36

beautiful blonde girl communicated with him

56:39

through telepathy and who floated with

56:41

him and visibly through the air

56:43

and actual citizen of some other

56:46

dimension. Or was she bought a

56:48

projection of his own psyche and

56:50

externalisation projected to help him deal

56:53

with is amazing talent of dematerializing

56:55

his body. Which.

56:57

Is a really interesting idea that

57:00

there was no girl that there

57:02

was just this fucking young x

57:04

man. Discussing. This

57:07

kid with this preternatural power the

57:09

psychic ability that is hop into

57:11

the hall importation mode which is

57:13

going to go to work for

57:15

except for obviously teleportation but it

57:17

doesn't like fall into like tell

57:19

the can he says or any

57:21

of the other paradigms of us

57:23

be and in so doing like

57:25

burn somebody's hair and to somehow

57:28

negotiate the mine field the psychological

57:30

minefield of having this power he

57:32

manifest this gorgeous. I'm

57:34

young girl that you know is doing

57:36

all the work for him. I'm

57:38

not sure I buy into that at

57:41

all. That seems to be a bridge

57:43

too far by, but it's definitely an

57:45

interesting theory. It is a really cool

57:47

kind of angle on a yeah solid.

57:49

It's like Source projects from his own

57:51

light years away from the like. Deal

57:53

with it right in. Okay, well he

57:55

got me. I mean it's and know

57:57

when I moved on where they are,

57:59

my well. Who are yet? Because we're

58:01

not. We're not done. Because then there is.

58:04

On. One of my favorites. And

58:06

that is. Ah,

58:08

the psychic sampler. Oh cool. The

58:10

classic account. In

58:12

early towns, this case was often

58:14

referred to as the Peter Pan

58:17

Possession due to the unknown girls

58:19

mischievous attitude and otherworldly ability to

58:21

fly and induce others to do

58:23

so merely by touching them. This

58:25

is purely it kinda what Peter

58:27

Pan. Or excuse me too

58:29

when Peter Pan would take when

58:31

be darling and are brothers on

58:33

t Arctic Sky bound nocturnal chance

58:36

in Scottish play rates are genes

58:38

Matthew Berries nineteen or for play

58:40

Peter Pan. It's interesting

58:42

to note that the original screenplay

58:44

for Joel Schumacher Nineteen Eighty Seven,

58:46

Eighty Seven, Excuse me, Team Vampire

58:49

hit Lost Boys was written to

58:51

be a modern, vampiric takes on

58:53

the rowdy, perpetually useful couple of

58:56

boys who lived in never never

58:58

land and take their orders from

59:00

the frankly, frightening, dictatorial leader of

59:02

their clan the Ultimate any eternal

59:05

youth and boyish bravado. Peter Pan.

59:08

By the same token, might it

59:10

be that this evidently evil entity

59:12

who could uncannily steel cornell you

59:15

have locked rooms for exhilarating midnight

59:17

flights was a kind of vampire

59:19

for self. Considering that these

59:22

delirium inducing trips always left the

59:24

teenager feeling psychologically drained, famished, and

59:26

physically exhausted, it doesn't seem to

59:28

be on of the question that

59:30

the name was girl might have

59:33

been what is known as a

59:35

psychic vampire. A parasitic being

59:37

said defeat off the life force

59:39

of other living creatures. first described

59:42

by British a cultist and ceremonial

59:44

magicians Dion Fortune in or Nineteen

59:46

Thirty Bucks Psychic Self Defense another

59:48

one of the most book and

59:51

read list. If that

59:53

were the case it would go

59:55

a long way toward explaining Cornell

59:57

Ios ramp it's reserves of energy

59:59

when she was near and as

1:00:01

continue we deteriorating physical and mental

1:00:03

and emotional condition whenever his a

1:00:05

theory girlfriend was not around. So.

1:00:08

I mean, you gotta kind of toward others. You

1:00:10

can fly. I don't know psychic members can fly

1:00:13

like traditional vampires. I'm not like an expert on

1:00:15

the lore, but vampires. Fucking vampires. I guess to

1:00:17

a degree. So yeah the

1:00:19

fact he he is I mean that

1:00:21

she a siphoning off with him seemingly

1:00:23

ordinary somehow for proximity to him is

1:00:25

almost like rate well radiation or or

1:00:27

or save that for seconds if she's

1:00:29

feeding off of him. These are the

1:00:31

symptoms you would expect to find year

1:00:33

in our he. It's only have a

1:00:35

only he can perceive her nobody else

1:00:37

can. Was. You can interact with them

1:00:39

by make them disappear so the right and over. Again,

1:00:43

I don't know the powers of psychic

1:00:45

vampires. I don't know. Yeah, nobody does.

1:00:47

Empire lore. I don't room. Yeah, I'm

1:00:49

A. The first reference to him is

1:00:51

a nineteen thirty I know and handle

1:00:53

of a claim that he coined the

1:00:55

actual for a psychic Vampires. and he

1:00:57

probably did. But the idea of psychic

1:00:59

vampirism definitely goes back, at least in

1:01:01

print to good old Fucking Dion, so

1:01:03

she deserves for props for that Are.

1:01:06

Okay, So. These

1:01:08

theories. Ruminate. On Mall. Bless

1:01:10

what I could think is it really does

1:01:12

sound like of a story to me. So.

1:01:16

In this is what I wrote: obvious these

1:01:18

are all outtakes from a pretty cool on

1:01:20

article, but we're still getting it done based

1:01:22

on this beings love for long walks in

1:01:24

the forest or the country? Could she have

1:01:26

been some sort of barry or elemental entity.

1:01:29

One. Who, perhaps in a fashion similar

1:01:31

to Hans Christian Andersen's fabled Little Mermaid,

1:01:34

have fallen in love with a human

1:01:36

boy with equally tragic results. And I

1:01:38

mean for those you don't know, if

1:01:40

you love the cartoons, Little Mermaid and

1:01:43

a live action film, don't read the

1:01:45

original legend. It is a bloody fucking

1:01:47

horrible mess. It is poking, tragic and

1:01:49

terrible so that by keepers. Could

1:01:52

all of the ugliness associated

1:01:54

with her the party's. Be.

1:01:56

Christian Propaganda. Which.

1:01:59

Is something. That we were just discussing.

1:02:01

I mean all that never happens. I mean

1:02:03

I mean it's like the the accounts of

1:02:05

the ending. Are. All are all

1:02:07

tied in with A Summer Isles Books.

1:02:10

Summer. Isles movie. Yeah, sure, the syllabus

1:02:12

that goes with summer a movie to

1:02:14

go to local churches and Sunday schools

1:02:16

to be shown to children in the

1:02:18

nineteen sixties and lens the question and

1:02:20

answer session. So all of this is

1:02:22

really force. but he doesn't come out

1:02:25

and talk about the story until the

1:02:27

mid sixties. and including that, Nineteen Sixty

1:02:29

Five. Ah, Article. With United

1:02:31

Press, I'm. The

1:02:33

Up: Until the movie is about to

1:02:35

be released so was he paid by summer.

1:02:37

all. Was. What was You

1:02:40

know me? I don't know if you what

1:02:42

are not did he did? He just make

1:02:44

the story fit the switch Or being a

1:02:46

good Roman Catholic kid and being told by

1:02:49

religious leaders even if they weren't strictly speaking

1:02:51

Catholic and they weren't I'm that it is

1:02:53

a diabolical force. I mean if that's the

1:02:55

context you live in, if that's what you

1:02:57

truly believe that there's a you know the

1:03:00

in the like that that Christian paradigm of

1:03:02

reality is good and evil. A are opposing

1:03:04

forces. Me both can wreak havoc or glory

1:03:06

in your life depending on which one is

1:03:08

doing. The work of. That.

1:03:10

Maybe he just bought em. He's a kid.

1:03:13

He's a kid going through all the

1:03:15

horrors and changes of puberty that are

1:03:18

endemic to all of us. Combined.

1:03:20

With meeting the supernatural force that may

1:03:22

or may not have been evil that

1:03:24

a sweeping I'm office be and maybe

1:03:26

through no fault of her own or

1:03:28

maybe because she's a vampiric creature is.

1:03:31

Basically. Slowly killing him. And

1:03:34

through all that he is given the chance to

1:03:36

tell the stories and he's telling the story and

1:03:38

away as we discussed in the interview with Summer

1:03:40

Off where he seems to be. Being

1:03:43

seeded. You. Know that the

1:03:45

part you think you'd put in his high the

1:03:47

scenes and not actually in the book. Every line

1:03:49

you do realize that he wasn't a girl. That.

1:03:52

She was in fact, all right there

1:03:54

is evil and I saved you from

1:03:56

eternal damnation. Yeah, definitely. Thank you Mr.

1:03:58

Several. Yeah

1:04:00

her to the sauce so us

1:04:02

their this author and they also

1:04:04

be be think so suppose the

1:04:06

part of her turning. Ugly.

1:04:10

In the church door is accurate. What

1:04:14

f? being a magical creature?

1:04:17

If. The. Recitation of magical words

1:04:19

which would be a prayer. To.

1:04:21

Have the same generic effect that say. Of

1:04:24

squirting raid would have on any living

1:04:26

thing. You squirt it in your grandma

1:04:29

space. You squirted on a bug. It's

1:04:31

going to cause detrimental result. It's just

1:04:33

a poisonous thing regardless of whether or

1:04:36

not it is a a cockroach you

1:04:38

don't want or a beloved family pet.

1:04:41

What? Is just being a creature

1:04:44

of a magical origin that. Christian.

1:04:47

Magical words that were used as

1:04:49

a banishment and and a do

1:04:51

you know get rid of forces

1:04:53

there aren't even necessarily diabolical enough

1:04:56

and are arbitrary paradigm but are

1:04:58

obviously from Christian perspective does damage

1:05:00

to magical creatures regardless. Yeah

1:05:03

i mean guess whatever the intent behind

1:05:05

the words is doesn't really matter of

1:05:07

the origin you know if it's is

1:05:09

whatever the intent behind the me know

1:05:11

it's like is as spells spell whether

1:05:13

you doing about prayer or whatever you're

1:05:15

basically having some to like magic ritual

1:05:17

to expel this thing so about current

1:05:20

just can be put on good people

1:05:22

bad people doesn't matter depends on if

1:05:24

you're you know paying a way you

1:05:26

know about a white which about of

1:05:28

mineral black brouhaha you know whatever whatever

1:05:30

whatever cliches you was if. People.

1:05:33

Are affected if you believe in

1:05:35

it by these words. I'm

1:05:37

I've never really heard that a spouse though

1:05:39

I'm sure I'm not the first to discuss

1:05:41

that idea. but just the idea that even

1:05:43

if you aren't necessarily evil, maybe you could

1:05:45

affect you. So I guess what we're left

1:05:47

with and I i i don't want to

1:05:50

hear other ideas are the Steger idea. That.

1:05:52

She's an intra dimensional being. Or.

1:05:56

That she's of. A psychic mess

1:05:58

station that he brought about him. The

1:06:01

Summer All and what everyone else in this is

1:06:03

where all the sources are really for lesson that.

1:06:05

So that's why there's a preponderance of in in

1:06:07

this accounts that she was actually a demon. Straight

1:06:09

up demon from hell. Causing.

1:06:11

Trouble. Or. Possibly

1:06:13

a psychic vampire also evil, but it

1:06:15

and from a whole different set of

1:06:17

mythology paradigms or or maybe have a

1:06:20

type of failure elemental or or something

1:06:22

else maybe I don't have those are

1:06:24

my idea. So I mean. It seems

1:06:26

like it's a clan mean. That gets a

1:06:29

classic Damone accept the you have

1:06:31

him at. people are witnessing him

1:06:33

disappear so that's my knowledge is

1:06:35

not really like typical in like

1:06:38

a demon possession I'm yeah, that's

1:06:40

something that's interesting that you point

1:06:42

out and that's very valid. There

1:06:44

are literally millennia of of accounts

1:06:46

of demonic possession ma'am I'm and

1:06:49

and in the literature goes far

1:06:51

and wide. some of it in

1:06:53

religious archives, some of it and

1:06:55

I'm and more called tomes of.

1:06:59

Where's. The Puck and teleporting. Where's

1:07:01

the clients that it hulu the mood? Yeah

1:07:03

and I'm not saying it's never happened. It.

1:07:06

Probably has and somehow they get a segment

1:07:08

on record heard of or what? what? What

1:07:11

it? You think it would be a lot

1:07:13

more prevalent if this was a common skill

1:07:15

set of a demon yang. Whatever this was,

1:07:17

it was clearly attached to him and if

1:07:20

you know that allegedly was feeding off of

1:07:22

his life force and draining I'm so yeah.

1:07:24

I mean it added that. It does sound

1:07:27

like. An Alliance

1:07:29

A I'll notice that the Empire is, but

1:07:31

until it's gone, one that will sit there

1:07:33

a way. I mean no one really. You

1:07:36

As a Celtic whatever A was whatever parasitic

1:07:38

relationship and with this dude, it was just

1:07:40

like it was attached and that was feeding

1:07:42

off woman. At.

1:07:44

Mrs may be the the magical words

1:07:47

of summerall and is due to their

1:07:49

like whatever there be no spell was

1:07:51

to or prayer does the same thing

1:07:54

really to it. I mean really no

1:07:56

doubt it really is the same thing

1:07:58

to to expel this. It worked

1:08:00

out. Whatever whatever level it did to for

1:08:03

him does he just gave up so easy

1:08:05

like didn't really do anything. They're just like

1:08:07

the power of the you know, whatever capella

1:08:09

you blah, the blood of the lord and

1:08:12

then the things like did that is a

1:08:14

detached like gone like it just seems as

1:08:16

if we had true demon powers you would

1:08:18

think it would resistant more harshly. think even

1:08:21

look if it's as if it's a psychic

1:08:23

vampire that's attached to him that it would

1:08:25

have more reason to fight to stay there.

1:08:27

but it just kinda like like the left.

1:08:30

Leg their authentic only roads just kind of

1:08:32

could go to somebody else. Zoellick. I was

1:08:34

jumping from most the hosts a Catholic that

1:08:36

on what's true but but let me to

1:08:38

do that. Thought: it's almost as if. She.

1:08:40

Was trying to do what was right for the kid. Seeing.

1:08:43

That he was starting to believe

1:08:45

the hype and knowing that the

1:08:47

relationship couldn't possibly survive this perspective

1:08:49

shift. I'm maybe she was

1:08:51

really smitten with him, made on like like

1:08:53

something out of Studio Jubilee like I was at

1:08:56

Ponyo or whatever where this like merge girl

1:08:58

like falls in love with this little boy and

1:09:00

you want and she becomes like human to

1:09:02

be with him and made in an awkward

1:09:04

romantic way. They're both very little kids but but

1:09:06

and I'm a promising the try to run

1:09:08

but like the is in a or little mermaid

1:09:10

when it works or doesn't work in the

1:09:13

classic legend like this idea of these two creatures

1:09:15

that are coming together in which he realizes

1:09:17

that I'm. That. That

1:09:19

seats will no longer be able to

1:09:21

like see her objectively. The

1:09:24

she just split it as to

1:09:26

as to the parasitic major it

1:09:28

could be parasitic as an a

1:09:30

psychic vampire or isn't something diabolical?

1:09:32

or it could be toxic. Toxic

1:09:35

relationships Common a lot of forms. You

1:09:37

can be very happy. I mean I've

1:09:40

definitely happily been with somebody. I love

1:09:42

their company and I loved the the

1:09:44

intimacy. What. They just were

1:09:46

no fucking good for me at all. And.

1:09:49

You and it's really hard to tear

1:09:51

yourself away Dalits Mormon emotional and psychological

1:09:53

thing. but. But

1:09:55

maybe just the proximity to this

1:09:57

creature? Like. You know

1:09:59

why you're The water just isn't working and

1:10:02

it is slowing knowing him. And maybe that's

1:10:04

why she wants him to go with her.

1:10:06

Me it's not necessarily taken to hell though

1:10:08

it could be. Maybe it's because if he

1:10:11

fully commit. Then. He becomes

1:10:13

whatever. And. He was no longer

1:10:15

going to be dying on the humans

1:10:17

plane of existence. A

1:10:19

T was you will be old of like

1:10:21

be like or whatever the fuck that is

1:10:23

so love one I guess well loved by

1:10:26

of law if unless if that were as

1:10:28

yeah right about media but but if she

1:10:30

gave up. The. Whole thing to see the

1:10:32

why him to you know. Yes,

1:10:35

He thought maybe I wouldn't have been

1:10:37

under that under that in helmet. It's

1:10:39

pretty tenuous, but under this that the

1:10:41

hypothesis. Than. Than love

1:10:43

lost because he didn't go with her

1:10:46

and live eternally floating around doing fun

1:10:48

things where you know you shouldn't have

1:10:50

to pay for shit. So fucking them

1:10:52

are really hurting anyone or just sit

1:10:54

in like empty theater seats in the

1:10:56

join them for just write your your

1:10:58

kids don't a serial It's yes. yeah

1:11:00

I ruined screw in restaurants. I'll admit

1:11:02

that's of that. although the problem more

1:11:04

maybe it's it's because I really want

1:11:06

to play double Devil's Advocate and like

1:11:08

look deeper because this is so clearly

1:11:10

given to us as a series of.

1:11:13

Propaganda. Pro. Christian

1:11:15

propaganda which is all good and wealth

1:11:17

and it might accurately depict what had

1:11:19

happened. But. Because that's the only

1:11:21

real source besides Steger. Know, you

1:11:23

know? A week I felt like

1:11:25

we had to do our duty

1:11:27

and explore other possibilities. Yeah, no,

1:11:29

hello lizard, but still. Potentially.

1:11:32

Ballad not a cursory battered by exactly

1:11:34

what would you think. Aliens been variables

1:11:36

and will leave Time or aliens. Is

1:11:38

it a free. Oh

1:11:41

can receive yeah I'm a lead normal amount

1:11:43

of money. No one

1:11:45

ever sees the mummy, grandma, and the

1:11:47

bandage solas. Molly Yeah, oh Lady Gauss

1:11:50

is now that Saddam. I

1:11:53

don't none of the i don't know this have

1:11:55

some hear myself lot of things in know earmarks

1:11:57

of anything. So. Allies. The

1:12:00

idle idle noted it's i don't do with this

1:12:02

one. Like. A yeah okay

1:12:04

vampire. But what your else own, you're

1:12:06

invisible. You make other people invisible. I'm.

1:12:10

In Iowa I don't know what to do with

1:12:12

that girl. Give them a little by he in

1:12:15

maybe like a look as though know like a

1:12:17

me. They have all these eyewitnesses saying they do

1:12:19

disappeared but it was like or the fuck. You.

1:12:21

Know one place where my research ought to have

1:12:23

gone. And. Ah, you know we

1:12:25

we. We have a pretty quick turn over

1:12:28

with this.com and if some of our listeners

1:12:30

are more informed, it would be funded. Maybe

1:12:32

you an addendum and that is. I'm.

1:12:35

Filipino. Folklore lots of found hanged

1:12:38

dari, the I swung and all

1:12:40

sorts of things. creatures on me

1:12:42

either is something a such you

1:12:45

best like entity. That.

1:12:47

Is that exists in Filipino for in such

1:12:49

the best as another clear cut that would

1:12:51

be the demon So second best ties right

1:12:53

in with a Christian. I deleted the Atlanta

1:12:55

some sort of. Indigenous.

1:12:58

A legend. Where'd this thing to be?

1:13:00

Mean you know, older than the human

1:13:02

beings and even first colonized you know,

1:13:05

the islands way back when when it

1:13:07

was probably a solid land mass before

1:13:09

you know the ice melted him and

1:13:11

whatever else. So. It would be

1:13:14

interesting to know what sort of legends are.

1:13:16

I would be surprised that I didn't come

1:13:18

across it in any of my research, but

1:13:20

I didn't. Delve into that aspect

1:13:22

particularly sell yeah that in November Miss

1:13:24

in that way so that that could

1:13:26

also be interesting to attempt to find

1:13:28

out. Or simply and eighty you can

1:13:31

never take Alien off the to yeah

1:13:33

nice put a lot their adjusted the

1:13:35

whole disappearing and like being attached to

1:13:37

warm but like it's is bizarre that

1:13:39

it can interact with him like that

1:13:41

is it almost makes it. I want

1:13:43

to think liberal media was him the

1:13:46

entire time but it seems like such

1:13:48

a the outcomes razor of him having

1:13:50

a psychic projection. Thought this girl

1:13:52

to himself, which I guess only he can see

1:13:54

years. Maybe there would be true, but. And

1:13:58

alone is a lot. Would

1:14:00

be so easy to dismiss this case

1:14:02

if it was just like his friends

1:14:04

and family and local religious leader saying

1:14:06

this happen may like that be like

1:14:08

okay yeah no it's religious propaganda tied

1:14:10

in with of unfortunately mentally ill child.

1:14:14

But but. Because there are

1:14:16

so many. Eyewitnesses, And

1:14:18

because I mean in all fairness, Summer Old

1:14:20

did a degree of due diligence when he

1:14:22

had those off duty police officers going around

1:14:24

asking questions. They were doing this in order

1:14:26

to see whether or not she wanted to

1:14:29

get involved. Little Saved come back and said

1:14:31

it was a shit show than he wouldn't

1:14:33

waste of time in own doing whatever kind

1:14:35

of actresses. Me, daddy, certain the Winter made

1:14:37

a movie about a decade later. so so.

1:14:40

Low it is, There's a lot of people

1:14:42

work out there. A. Fortunately, none of

1:14:44

it's online, but there's a lot of people

1:14:47

work out there somewhere in the like Some

1:14:49

roles archives about this being legit a day

1:14:51

at Evidently Reverend Baker went and did his

1:14:53

own you know, post work and was like

1:14:56

no the ship the should check So it's

1:14:58

not like. A you know

1:15:00

isn't a thoroughly vetted thing like this

1:15:02

is. This. Is an event

1:15:05

that seemingly happened. Know. This kid

1:15:07

rhyming li disappeared or mean a teacher didn't

1:15:09

have a full on breakdown because he was

1:15:11

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1:15:13

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1:15:16

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1:15:18

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1:15:20

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1:15:22

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1:15:25

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1:15:29

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1:15:31

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1:15:33

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1:15:36

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1:15:38

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1:15:40

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merger to to never we to listen

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we appreciate it in dumb than yeah

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think that is it in the boys

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the uppers. Ah hopefully next week will

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be be I behind screen saw fingers

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that come as a studio coffin and

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you get up as a society. yeah

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there's all that fun stuff but are

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all cm in there to thank you

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all so very much and moved of

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Neeson. Peace. Out, you know

1:19:44

he really. He. Lost out on some

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good though he made man very rarely are

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you that happy with anybody, dude honestly, I

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mean even if he says one I. Free.

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before you basically starving to death

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you could be spoken exp. The

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meal. Yeah. Man, I mean sometimes

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the most fun relationships I think we all

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know this are the least healthy. Your.

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This we'll probably a we all we

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all know their yes I had a

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to else did that I was like

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whoa there was clubs or metal all

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oh yes so good boy that was

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a as dangerous is terrific it's you

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know you love that That's what is

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better. Third you know got there and

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to get out of. I

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guess better to have love. What is a

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better to have lost in love And love

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and love. What the hell's the Plo Robert

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better to have loved and lost the never

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do love little guess that's what I'm trying

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to say. Examine him, live. Yeah, no I

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mean I'm sure there's some truth to that

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yourself. throes of heartbreak know what it reveals

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that were attic at i don't remember which

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comedian was years ago, might have been geared

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boom and said yeah scantily Same better to

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have driven off a cliff, the never got

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into a car and I'm like sit. There

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for a nice if. We

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run into depth, but we've all been in the

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highs and it seems like I'm. Cornell

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Leo got a hell of a high,

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so even Alianza paid for my her

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in the end. Up, and who knows

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who knows what romantic elements were there.

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But be you know, we got to

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fly in, eaten, see movies, and be

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in blissful fucking just this euphoric state

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of of just. Human bliss

1:21:19

and yeah man at his I know something

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a living hell of slowly on that I

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says I am so has always got a

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sweet voice acids and probably lot of grand

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kids at this point. So Emmys his great

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story. Tell everybody there is no just really.

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I guess you don't be careful with your

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heart and your loins. Yes Charger are you

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and your loins dirt of get hurt in

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both. The focus is still ah you know

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what but leave I'm open to Yeah that's

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right is your daughter to open up the

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loins and heart if you really want to

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find love. But. The gert I'm

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when shit gets really we okay other ago to just

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keep an eye on your back with an open it

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again because of my to rely Lt Michael Jordan has

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