This conversation is uncomfortable for most people. But it's a natural and healthy part of our lives, and every person needs to have these tough conversations—except for maybe cult leaders. Death is a natural, healthy part of life. In this conversation, Callie, a funeral director, mortician, and long-time friend of John comes on the show to discuss death, grieving, and how the cult of Christianity produces much harm through platitudes and denial. If you'd like to follow Callie, her Instagram is https://www.instagram.com/undertake.care/

CW: This episode contains content that may be distressing to some listeners. Specifically in this suicide and death are detailed, and/or discussed.

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