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mere. Hey

3:10

what's up guys? Welcome to the Data

3:12

By guess I'm Larry Hagner I'm your

3:15

host. An honor This by guess this

3:17

show and this movement. Yes I have

3:19

a smile my face I was mile

3:21

my face because. Of

3:24

our guest today. About the rest

3:26

You Guys Birds and Nineteen Ninety

3:28

Three and iconic film. Was.

3:30

released and that is the sandlot

3:33

since then i think anybody in

3:35

their thirty's their forties or even

3:37

just that in life we can

3:39

always go back and and and

3:41

grab a quote from that movie

3:44

and it's just a universal understanding

3:46

of people there won't weekend communicates

3:48

as ways like your to and

3:50

me smalls like we know about

3:52

that don't be in l seven

3:55

weenie is another one for as

3:57

were right as a matter of

3:59

months I just love that movie and my

4:01

boys love that movie. So today

4:03

I have Chauncey

4:06

La Parte, otherwise known

4:08

as Squints on the movie,

4:10

The Sandlot. And just

4:12

to kind of give you guys some backstory

4:15

here of why I'm having Squints on.

4:17

So I was invited by

4:19

him and his co-host, Brian

4:22

Goldstein to come out to LA a

4:24

couple months ago and to be on their podcast.

4:26

And it was really, really cool for

4:29

me just because I was only like 17 years

4:31

old when

4:33

that movie came out. And kind

4:36

of growing up with that movie, kind of

4:38

like some of the iconic films like Breakfast

4:40

Club and Stand By Me and some of

4:42

those other ones that the entire society has

4:45

seen these films and we quote them and

4:47

all that good stuff. But so

4:49

I was invited to come out to his podcast and

4:51

I did. And ever since then we stayed in touch.

4:54

I told him, I was like, man, you gotta come

4:56

on Dad Edge. And he's like, I'd love to. So

4:58

he is our guest today. So

5:02

he's actually been in several other memorable

5:04

performances though, besides The Sandlot. He's been in

5:06

lots of different films and TV shows and

5:08

that kind of thing. But on

5:10

today's podcast, he really opens up his life

5:12

to us and our audience. And he talks

5:14

about what it was like growing up as

5:16

a child star, like what that was like

5:19

for him. And he gave a

5:21

lot of really funny, kind of cool behind the scenes

5:24

info on The Sandlot and what it was

5:26

like actually. The kids and their families, they

5:29

actually kind of lived on set in an

5:31

apartment complex and he kind of shares what

5:33

that's all about. He is

5:35

a dad of four kids and soon

5:37

to be five, yes. So he is

5:40

definitely in the dad role. He

5:42

also is gonna talk about one

5:45

of the things that he's trying to work on, which

5:47

is patience, which I told him, man, that's what every

5:49

dad's Achilles heel is, is patience. It's very, very hard

5:51

for us from time to time. But

5:53

he also shares his childhood and what it

5:55

was like growing up with

5:57

his stepdad and how his stepdad.

6:00

dad just really stepped up in his life

6:02

and what a good man he is in

6:04

some of the incredible life lessons he has

6:07

learned from his own stepdad and just from

6:09

his own experience growing up. But

6:11

all that and so much more, I think

6:13

you guys will love today's podcast as we

6:15

just basically pull the curtain back and unveil

6:18

some of Chauncey's greatest memories growing up and some

6:20

of the things that he is doing in life

6:24

to navigate his own fatherhood journey and marriage and

6:26

all these really cool things. So

6:28

enjoy guys, enjoy today's podcast,

6:30

it's a lot of fun. What's up Chauncey man,

6:32

welcome to Dad Edge my friend. Hey

6:35

how are you? I'm good man, I'm good. It's

6:38

really good to chat with you. It's actually

6:40

good to catch up. We had a

6:42

fun time and I appreciate you having

6:44

me and my 16 year

6:46

old out to LA. That was a good time man.

6:51

Yeah how was the trip after you guys saw us,

6:53

it was good? It was really good, yeah we went

6:55

down to the Santa Monica Pier. We

6:57

worked out at Zoo Culture. That

7:00

was an experience. Was

7:03

it? Yeah. A lot going on

7:05

or what? It was

7:07

just, my son, he really

7:09

likes raw gear which is that's who

7:12

the clothing line that he's affiliated with that

7:14

he owns and then of course he knew

7:16

all about zoo culture and he's

7:18

like let's go and I'm like all right, well let's go and we went

7:20

in there and I think

7:23

it was like every single social media

7:25

influencer fitness influencer that

7:28

probably is in within the LA area

7:30

is having their entire film crew that

7:32

just follows them around and they just

7:34

do one set on each machine as

7:36

they talk and

7:38

hammer. Yeah,

7:42

yeah, yeah. So

7:44

it was a culture shock probably huh?

7:47

It was like a workout and entertainment

7:50

value at the same time. Yeah,

7:52

that's cool. You

7:54

have to sign an NDA before you walk in or what?

7:57

Yeah, I mean you would think so but

7:59

it was a. Yeah, we saw things

8:01

that I don't see in typical gyms. So

8:03

there you go. Yeah.

8:05

Yeah, man. Well, hey, let's

8:08

actually start here, man. As

8:10

far as how you grew up,

8:12

and I always like to actually just start

8:15

with the experiences that you

8:17

had growing up, just maybe the family

8:19

dynamics that you experienced, your relationship maybe

8:21

with your own mom and dad, just

8:24

some things that you maybe learned growing up that

8:26

was pretty unique to yourself. Hmm.

8:32

Well, obviously, I started acting when I

8:34

was about six or seven. So I

8:38

kind of fell into that. In

8:40

Dallas, Texas, is where I started. Me

8:43

and my mom and dad lived there. I

8:45

was born in Pittsburgh. We

8:48

ended up in Dallas for my dad's work. He

8:50

was a contractor. There wasn't a lot of work

8:52

back east. So I ended up

8:54

in Dallas where there was a ton of work. And

8:58

then my parents split up around that time,

9:00

too, five or six. And we

9:03

ended up in LA. We had

9:05

met an agent out here. They

9:08

wanted us to come out and do

9:10

some auditioning over the summer or pilot

9:13

season. I forget which one it was. And

9:16

we came to LA and never left, kind

9:18

of. So

9:21

my early life around that

9:23

time when we were adjusting into Los Angeles was

9:25

just me and my mom. She

9:29

worked ninth graveyard. So I

9:31

probably spent, you know, outside of going on

9:33

auditions during the day in school or whatnot, I probably

9:35

spent most of my time alone. So

9:39

your mom and dad, they split up when

9:41

you were about six years old. Yeah.

9:45

So what was the dynamics like

9:48

as far as separate households? How often did you

9:50

see your dad? How often did you see your

9:52

mom? Did you split time between the two? No,

9:56

I was with my mom full-time. I didn't see

9:58

my father very often. And I would

10:00

go down to Dallas and see him, I

10:02

think during summers or here and there, different trips

10:04

and things like that. But for the most part,

10:06

I was in LA. Yeah.

10:09

Did you talk to him very often? Or was

10:11

he just sort of like my

10:13

childhood, my dad was out. So yeah,

10:17

no, no, I didn't have that experience. But I

10:19

don't know. I mean, it was the 80s, early

10:21

90s. I

10:23

mean, we didn't have very much phone,

10:27

you know, talk on the phone, whatever. You

10:29

know, I'd see him here and there. And

10:32

that was that, you know. Yeah. What about

10:34

now? My

10:40

relationship with my dad. Yeah. Yeah,

10:45

we talk here and there. I

10:48

got a ton of shit going on, bro. I really don't. I

10:51

don't really have very many outside

10:57

of business relationships. I don't really have much

11:00

time outside of my own family, you know. Well,

11:03

yeah. I mean, plus your family is pretty

11:06

big, your immediate family. Huh?

11:09

Your family is pretty big. My, yeah, my

11:11

own. Yeah. And

11:13

it's actually good. Yeah. That's good. Yeah.

11:17

Yeah. I come from a background

11:19

of a lot of people too,

11:21

but very secular. Yeah. Most

11:24

of my dad's family's in Pittsburgh. I got a

11:26

ton of cousins there. And then my

11:29

mom's side had, you know, six

11:32

or seven kids too. So, and

11:35

a bunch of cousins and stuff, but they're all spread all

11:37

over the country. So, not

11:39

like an immediate close knit family, you know.

11:42

No, I hear you. What

11:44

was it like for you, you know, you

11:46

and your mom moved to LA, going to

11:48

school, spending a lot of time by yourself.

11:51

And then on top of it, you know, you're going

11:53

to auditions and that kind of thing. Wait, what was,

11:55

if you could look back and remember

11:57

what, you know, six, seven, eight years old, really.

12:00

it felt like, what did it feel like to you

12:02

back then? Especially since I'm

12:04

thinking anyway that probably most of your classmates that

12:06

you went to school with or maybe even friends, like

12:08

they probably weren't doing the things that you were

12:10

doing like auditioning and that kind of thing. I

12:16

think that it was pretty calm then. I had like

12:19

a pretty normal set up at school. I hadn't

12:21

started working a bunch where it

12:23

was like really accelerated. So

12:26

yeah, we went on auditions during the day, it

12:28

was pretty general. I

12:31

skateboarded with kids around my apartment building

12:33

and that was that. I

12:36

don't have a lot of like memory

12:38

memories from then that I can pull

12:41

on. It

12:46

was pretty standard 80s, 90s kind of thing.

12:50

I think that generation spent a lot of time by

12:52

itself, especially

12:54

single parent households. I

12:59

think they called us last key kids, is that what it

13:01

was? That's exactly what they called us. Yeah,

13:04

they just left us a month of work and

13:06

we kind of fended for ourselves. Yeah, I

13:09

was the same. It was just me and

13:11

my mom for a good amount of, from the ages

13:13

of the time, especially when

13:15

I was nine to 12, I

13:18

spent a ton of time by myself because that's

13:20

when my mom and second husband,

13:24

they divorced. I remember, it's kind

13:26

of interesting, I have a 10 year old now and

13:29

even though he's the third born and you're

13:31

more laid back with when you have multiple

13:33

kids, I still, I really

13:36

can't fathom just leaving him home by

13:38

himself just yet. But I

13:40

was doing that at nine. I

13:43

just, I come home and my mom wasn't

13:45

home from work for another several

13:47

hours. But yeah, we were latch key kids,

13:50

that's exactly what they called us. Yeah,

13:52

I mean, I think by the time I was like 10 or 11, I

13:55

was kind of like completely self sufficient. Yeah.

13:59

I just kind of came back. if I wanted to. And

14:02

if not, I was going to be off on

14:05

my own, whatever either. Yeah, I

14:07

can't imagine. I mean, my 21-year-old

14:10

now, I

14:13

can't imagine her being on her own barely. And

14:17

by the time I was 21, I was having a kid and

14:20

had been out of the house for like five

14:22

years, probably. So it's interesting the dynamic of that.

14:24

But I remember being by myself quite a bit

14:26

by the time I was like six or seven.

14:29

Same. Same. And you didn't really have contact

14:31

with people. It wasn't like you were in,

14:35

you know, if your mom was at work, you

14:37

weren't calling her. There wasn't, unless there was an

14:39

emergency, there was no reaching

14:41

out to anybody. You know what I mean? Yeah. You kind

14:43

of just have to figure it out. No,

14:46

it's true. No one was accessible like they are now.

14:48

And even when I, even like, so even

14:51

like my 10-year-old, like when I explained to

14:53

him, I'm like, you know, when I grew

14:55

up, like the phone that people

14:57

got a hold of you on, it was

14:59

like attached to the wall and

15:01

had to be home in order to pick it up. And

15:04

he was just like, you can tell it just like,

15:06

it doesn't even compute for him. He's like, so wait

15:08

a second. Like if I wanted to

15:10

be able to get a hold of you, you

15:13

had to be home. Like what if you were out, like

15:15

going to get gas or something? I'm like, hey, we're gonna

15:17

be able to get hold of me. There's no way. Like

15:19

not, not, not a chance, right? Yeah.

15:22

Zero. There was zero communication. Yeah,

15:24

there was nothing. And

15:27

here you want to hear something really fascinating.

15:29

So my, my oldest son, the one that

15:31

you didn't meet, he's 17. He's gonna be

15:33

18 here soon, but he's for some crazy

15:35

reason. And I think you'll appreciate this. He's

15:37

like fascinated with the eighties, like he'll go

15:39

on TikTok or Instagram and he'll search up

15:42

like, what was it like in the eighties?

15:44

And the one that he brought up and

15:47

he brought up in front of us last night was there

15:49

was a, there was obviously a student holding a camcorder and

15:51

he was walking in the halls of his high school. Right.

15:54

And of course you see like all the eighties like fashion

15:56

and you're like, Oh my God, like, what were we

15:58

thinking? Right. But here's the. fascinating thing. It

16:01

was a minute and a half long video and I asked my kids, I

16:03

was like, and I noticed it right away.

16:06

And I asked my kids, I was like, I see something really

16:09

interesting here and I wanna see if the rest of

16:11

you guys catch it. And they all

16:13

caught it. Can you, do you have

16:15

any idea what you think I'm talking about?

16:19

What was the setting school? Yeah, setting

16:22

was school, high school, like hallways,

16:24

kids, passing, that kind of thing.

16:33

Did people seem generally happy? That

16:35

was one, that was actually one observation. The

16:37

other observation was people were interacting with each

16:40

other. People were talking to each other. Exactly,

16:42

probably very raucous and

16:45

loud as you walk through. Cause you can go

16:47

back to those movies and see those, you know,

16:51

those dolly locker room, high

16:55

school scenes and see how everything is interacting

16:57

with one, right? Yeah, exactly. You couldn't hide

16:59

your face in something to get away from

17:01

anybody. Everybody was one

17:04

on one and interpersonal, you know? Yeah,

17:07

that was the biggest observation from both

17:09

my older boys, Mason actually

17:12

was the one who said, he's like, everyone's looking

17:14

up, no one's looking down at a

17:16

phone. I was like, yeah, we didn't have them. Like,

17:18

it was just like, everyone's like looking

17:21

around, talking to people and

17:23

that kind of thing, versus that. Everybody's

17:26

very present and the

17:28

now. Yeah,

17:30

I do like that about our generation. Let

17:33

me ask you this though, about your

17:36

auditioning experience and that kind of

17:38

thing. Did you ever, like when

17:41

you auditioned, especially obviously for the Sandlot,

17:43

cause that's just an iconic movie. It's

17:46

one that's probably gonna live past you

17:48

and I. But when you

17:50

auditioned for that, did you have any idea

17:53

that that thing, I mean, here we are, this

17:55

year is the 30th year anniversary of the movie and

17:58

people are still just. Watching it.

18:00

Did you ever think it was gonna be this big? No,

18:04

I mean we had no ideas and It

18:07

felt like a cool project and we were shooting was a

18:09

lot of fun obviously But

18:11

you never know what something's gonna be, you

18:13

know I mean it could feel great and

18:16

end up edited bad and and

18:18

just bomb too so, you know, it's cool thing about

18:20

the Sam lot is is that uh, The

18:23

studio didn't have a lot of faith and

18:26

David Mickey Evans the director and the

18:28

writer although he's an incredibly talented individual

18:30

and the whole Creative force

18:32

behind that film, you know, we get the

18:34

credit but realistically He

18:37

wrote directed did everything on that

18:39

film, but um he

18:42

had been fired from uh He

18:45

wrote Radio Flyer as well and

18:47

was the director on that film and they

18:49

fired him like two weeks

18:51

into production and recast the entire

18:54

film and And And

18:57

he had to sit on as a writer and watch

18:59

somebody else direct his movie Which

19:02

he says is the best thing that ever happened to

19:04

him because he got a quick education but

19:06

going into Sandlot they gave him like three weeks

19:09

of Daily's

19:12

to see if they liked what they were seeing and if they

19:14

didn't they were gonna cut it and Studios

19:16

used to do that, you know, I mean, I think

19:19

the budget was six million dollars and in 92

19:21

and we shot it Which is a pretty decent.

19:23

I mean a six million dollar budget for shooting

19:25

now is crazy so you can

19:27

imagine a six million dollar budget then

19:29

was pretty good for a kids film studio movie

19:31

and Yeah,

19:33

they weren't sure if they were gonna let it ride.

19:35

Obviously, they liked what they saw it

19:38

and ended up being a classic that's generated

19:40

a billion dollars and in revenue for them,

19:43

but uh You never

19:45

know, you know, he didn't know And

19:48

now looking back I know all of this It's

19:50

interesting when we get together with the producers and

19:52

the writers and stuff now because as

19:55

a man and entrepreneur

19:57

I understand the

20:01

stress struggle intensity that was probably felt on

20:03

set that we have no idea about as

20:05

a child, right? We're just in the moment,

20:08

seen by seen living that thing and they're

20:11

trying to create a

20:17

profitable piece

20:19

of time on film. So it's

20:22

kind of interesting to look back and

20:25

think of all the things that you've missed because

20:28

of your childhood and I have it just kind

20:33

of in the moment and not really knowing what's going

20:35

on. Yeah, it's

20:37

interesting when you look back and you put

20:39

those, you connect those dots a little bit

20:42

and yeah, you're doing your part, you're

20:44

in the moment, you're doing your thing and

20:46

you have no idea really, we're not, we're

20:49

just not aware at all those moving pieces and

20:51

the pressure cooker. How high the stakes are, the

20:54

complexity of any situation. I think

20:57

that adults kind

21:00

of, I mean, your podcast is

21:02

about parenting, mostly

21:04

centered around being a good

21:08

role model and leader for your family and

21:11

we spoke on my show about

21:13

you having those instances where you can snap

21:16

at the children and kind of what got you

21:19

into the line that you're in now is having

21:21

that moment and it's like as

21:23

a child, we don't understand the complexity

21:26

or stress of adult life or

21:29

the, it's kind

21:31

of like being a two-dimensional being in a four-dimensional

21:33

world and not understanding all of these levels and

21:36

things that are going on around us, right? We

21:38

don't really,

21:41

we're kind of

21:44

focused forward and not really

21:46

understanding that there's so

21:48

much going on at every level and it

21:51

doesn't have to be that complex but we

21:54

make it as adult human beings, we make

21:56

it that complex. That's Very true.

21:58

Yeah, you have as a kid, you have. No idea

22:00

how many layers are actually a play. right?

22:03

Yeah, it's not a year older. like holy crap

22:05

like there was a lot going on there that

22:07

was even on my radar. Us.

22:09

At All. Looking back on that experience

22:11

though, you know and I love the

22:14

fact the you bring this. He

22:17

really bring to the forefront that data is

22:19

like a man like I was, I was

22:21

a kid like I was just do my

22:23

thing as president ya play apart news cool

22:25

and. I. Think that there

22:27

might be some gold there. You know,

22:30

just and controversy. And and what I

22:32

mean by that is, you know at

22:34

that point in your life, you know,

22:36

an appointment, our allies. The internet wasn't

22:39

around, right? We're we're all or were

22:41

operating just a bit differently and. You

22:44

know to immerse yourself in that part

22:46

in that situation. And and to play

22:48

that movie. It's looking back on the

22:50

creation, a movie with it. What were

22:52

some times. That. You can look

22:54

back and be like you know what man like I

22:57

can recall one. One. Or two

22:59

things. That. Was just a the

23:01

last to be around those other guys

23:03

and and back through like these one

23:05

or two things? These are it. What?

23:08

What would those be? I'm.

23:13

We. All stayed in like a condominium complex

23:15

together. All it obviously with our

23:17

parents and and our emphasis on a bike

23:19

A surreal experience altogether as there's not too

23:21

many opportunities in life that you go travel

23:23

somewhere. You. Don't an

23:26

option of a sound with nine other people

23:28

that are, you know, tense at fourteen years

23:30

old with their families. Also, the dynamic of

23:32

that. I'm on a major

23:34

motion picture set. A new

23:36

basically living together and nice And these settings

23:38

you know why you're shooting a film and

23:40

based around us or so. It adds that

23:42

layer of like. You. Know

23:45

camaraderie. Also a very like.

23:48

Obviously took place in the sixties so

23:50

the set setting of everything it's a

23:52

primitive and kind of like real Americano.

23:54

you know, like real life. So I

23:56

think the. You

24:00

know that era was really cool because it

24:02

was the end of a. That

24:05

by two thousand I think we seem

24:07

the end of like real set building.

24:10

And craftsmanship and zone. And I mean don't

24:12

get me wrong, I'm I'm sure there's the

24:14

you know there's layers that as well. but

24:17

all of that stuff was actually built by

24:19

hand brought in. you know, the tree that

24:21

the tree house was built and was. Truck

24:23

thin and an added faith leaves to it

24:25

to give it that appearance on the said

24:27

no The Mister Myrtle and to me and

24:29

Tammy thousand built. For. That

24:32

you know that lot stance is just

24:34

an empty Lot I Everything was handmade,

24:37

Handset dressed tone is perfectly

24:39

to make it be. Obvious

24:42

his on top of vintage because it's supposed

24:44

to look vintage for the sixties the them

24:46

and it's like kind of like just looking

24:49

back to the fact that you got to

24:51

experience that were. You.

24:53

Know there was this. The you

24:55

know over level of. Ah,

24:59

To. Talent around that that made this

25:01

production that have stood the test the

25:03

time as is really really cool. Show.

25:07

That they don't make movies like that anymore.

25:09

That's you know you don't have to which

25:11

is the whole point in on but the

25:13

fact is at that time. You. Know

25:15

if you are on the third the film hook. I

25:17

mean that we're both pirate ships. Burrow you were on

25:19

a pirate sif. Muna

25:22

Hundred million dollar budget. Disney.

25:24

Film on a Pirate said living on that

25:27

thing you know had sent in the film

25:29

that like it's a pretty cool experience as

25:31

a towel to get to develop these these

25:33

real fantasies and fi fi fantasies. Add the

25:36

as an actor you know and it was

25:38

a cool time cause that you know lot

25:40

of cool filmed some from it because that

25:42

was like the height of that. You

25:46

know it was real enough. But. Not

25:48

see t I yet. Broke. So

25:51

it might have been as real as some could

25:53

ever be right, it was, it was nothing pure

25:55

of still on phone he only got one shot

25:57

at. But. everything was really

26:00

and Bill and Brett really done, so it was

26:02

all like you could actually hold it. You weren't

26:05

playing to a green screen yet or anything

26:07

else. So it's a pretty special

26:09

experience. Yeah, I

26:11

can definitely, I could see where that would

26:13

be a special experience. I mean, the work,

26:16

the personalization that goes into something like that.

26:20

My boys and I, this was quite some time

26:22

ago, but we were watching the

26:24

making of Empire Strikes Back. And

26:28

my kids, again, you know, it's like this generation,

26:30

they have no clue that like computer and green

26:32

screens and all these things didn't even exist, right?

26:35

And, you know, there's this part where

26:37

Frank Oz is playing Yoda and he's

26:39

like literally underneath the set, like under

26:42

the set, right? And doing the Muppet

26:44

thing. And my kids were like,

26:46

why don't they just superimpose that? I was like, they

26:48

didn't have that back then, man. Like

26:51

literally they had to build this

26:53

entire like dego boss system by

26:55

hand. Like there was no computers

26:57

that were doing this stuff, but

27:00

there was that realness, I think, you know? Like

27:02

I even, we watched the original

27:04

Top Gun, you know, not too long ago. And

27:07

I love the fact that Tom Cruise

27:09

kind of brought that same sort of

27:11

touch and feel to Maverick. It

27:13

was amazing. It was amazing. And, but

27:16

they don't make movies quite like that anymore.

27:18

My kids, now they see it, you

27:20

know, now they can't see it. Cause it's like when you

27:22

watch like even, I'll refer back to the Star Wars thing,

27:24

like the prequels, like a lot of them are

27:26

so computer generated that it almost takes

27:29

that same experience as someone watching

27:31

it away a bit. Yeah.

27:34

Yeah. Yeah. I

27:39

guess you don't have to try as hard anymore, right? Yeah.

27:41

Yeah. To get the shot or get the

27:43

point across. So it kind of takes that element away. Not

27:46

to take anything from, obviously we've, we're

27:49

in the creator era. And me, I

27:52

think that everybody having access to this

27:54

technology is an amazing thing, obviously. One

27:56

of the best times to be alive.

27:58

Cause you know. You really

28:00

have the opportunity to be whoever you want to be and

28:02

do whatever you want to do, right? Yeah, there's no way

28:04

that you know if you want to Have

28:08

a message and get your point across then you have an

28:10

audience and you can do it and that didn't used to

28:12

be the case, you know, we got We

28:15

got shown what we we were supposed

28:18

to be seeing not not not getting

28:20

to choose what we wanted to kind of thing You

28:22

know, right? No. Yeah, I I

28:24

agree with that You know, the

28:27

other thing too. I wanted to

28:29

ask you about was just life

28:32

after that right, so that

28:34

the movie hits it's really big

28:36

and I Gotta

28:39

be honest like my kids and I

28:41

we we've we've talked a lot about

28:43

this I'm curious to know your your your

28:45

answer on this because my kids are like,

28:47

you know, I've had a an

28:50

amazing amount of people on the show

28:52

who were celebrities and My

28:55

kids have asked me to like dad. Would

28:57

you ever want to be famous like that? And I was

28:59

like, I'd be honest man. I I wouldn't I

29:01

really wouldn't I was like as

29:03

far as how far dad edges come like it

29:06

Like I'm I don't need

29:08

any more eyes on it Like I'm good there

29:10

But like the thing that I think

29:13

about especially as a young kid growing up right

29:15

after you get done filming that like the

29:18

amount of attention the

29:20

pressure People wanting something

29:23

from you every minute of every day Like

29:26

there's gotta there's got to be some cool factor

29:28

to that, right? But there's also an

29:30

element of like oh my gosh, like this is

29:32

also exhausting and I think a lot of people

29:34

don't really see That but for you What

29:37

was it like with the balancing act of like man? This

29:39

is a really cool experience It's

29:42

also pretty exhausting like not being able to

29:44

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29:47

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31:41

What was it like with the balancing act of like,

31:44

man, this is a really cool experience. It's

31:46

also pretty exhausting, like not being able to

31:49

go places and people not recognize me and

31:51

that kind of thing. Well,

31:54

fortunately for me, I never

31:56

had that experience because the film

31:58

wasn't a huge success. success when it

32:00

box office and then I went and worked

32:03

a ton after that and was constantly working

32:05

but I was never like

32:07

an A-list actor so I didn't

32:09

really have that experience. I got the

32:11

benefit of being involved in the business and didn't have

32:13

the downside of it. We also didn't

32:16

have social media then so there

32:18

was nobody hounding you or chasing you around.

32:20

I mean to be

32:22

realistic outside

32:25

of Michael Jackson probably and

32:28

a handful of major, major

32:31

people at that time there

32:33

was no paparazzi or people. You

32:36

went places where the paparazzi were. They weren't

32:38

following you around like TMZ to find you

32:40

at the airport or anywhere else. So I

32:42

think it was a much simpler time then

32:44

so I didn't really have that experience. I

32:49

had a great educational experience because

32:51

I got to be

32:55

a young man around

32:57

talented, very, very exceptionally

33:00

talented and complex

33:04

male and female figures, professionals

33:07

and to be able to sponge

33:09

and soak up and

33:12

be a peer to these people so they had

33:14

to give you the time of day in

33:17

a sense to where

33:19

most of, in a time

33:21

where Get

33:23

Lost Kid was kind of a

33:26

thing and you had to figure everything

33:28

out yourself. They didn't

33:30

have that you

33:33

couldn't just tell me to get lost

33:35

so my opinions and my views and

33:38

my questions kind of demanded to

33:40

be answered and so

33:42

it was an interesting opportunity for

33:44

me to learn from

33:47

these crazy talented people that

33:50

were actual craftsmen at the time. There

33:53

was no digital nothing. The

33:55

guy pulling focus on a camera was

33:57

an expert at pulling manual focus on

33:59

a movie. camera and

34:01

the guy lighting a picture or dressing

34:04

a set or building a prop or or

34:07

doing wardrobe. These

34:10

were masters of their craft that

34:13

had had a career of long of years

34:15

and years and years to get to that

34:17

level. So I don't think

34:19

I had a normal home life obviously

34:21

but my accelerating learning curve based off

34:24

of being a peer

34:27

to very talented business

34:30

minded people was a...

34:32

I mean I probably grew up

34:34

too fast but at the same time you can't

34:36

take that away from you know sending

34:39

the kid to a normal school is not putting

34:42

them into a you know a billion

34:44

dollar business and letting

34:47

them kind of grow up

34:49

in that environment you know. Yeah. I don't

34:51

like to say that it was a you

34:54

know it stole my childhood or it did this it's

34:57

all how you perceive things in life right like you

34:59

don't you get to choose how you feel about that.

35:02

I would say that

35:04

because I didn't have a

35:06

structure to my education and

35:09

because people had to answer my questions

35:11

and let my curiosity roam that

35:16

my view of the world is

35:18

much different than most people's right because

35:21

I didn't get told to you

35:24

know mind my business or be quiet or

35:26

speak when spoken to or these type of

35:28

things you know. So I

35:31

was able to ask

35:34

questions and shape my reality in the way that

35:36

I see fit you know. I

35:39

get the feeling you grew up a curious kid

35:42

that wasn't afraid to ask questions. Yeah

35:46

you know anything that I kind of get

35:48

into at any point in my life I

35:50

would like research

35:52

heavily you know obviously from it

35:56

wasn't so easy you couldn't just go to YouTube and find

35:59

tutorials on how to do things back then

36:01

you actually had to, you

36:03

know, first was acting obviously and I've

36:05

probably done every type of acting

36:08

class, script analysis, improv,

36:11

this, that, that is

36:16

possible, you know, and through

36:20

that obviously reading and, you know,

36:24

digesting everything I could about that craft

36:26

and then moving on from there to

36:28

other, to other subjects, it

36:30

definitely taught me to go learn

36:34

by myself and, and

36:37

figure things out. So it

36:39

was a pretty cool, it

36:43

was an outlier, you know, I

36:46

like that term a lot. I don't know if you've ever

36:48

read that book by Malcolm Gladwell, but it's

36:50

a great book. Great writer too, so

36:52

good. But I love that

36:56

the way that he puts that all of

36:58

these things have to line up for a

37:00

person to be who they are, especially somebody

37:02

that we look up to as a legend

37:04

in some type of craft, you know, and

37:07

I feel like, you know, I had

37:09

that opportunity by chance, you

37:12

know, I'm from Pittsburgh, from small town

37:14

and people that

37:16

come from where I come from don't have the life

37:18

path that I have. So for whatever

37:21

reason I ended up here and

37:23

around these experiences and was able

37:25

to shape this reality, yeah,

37:28

based off of being curious and wandering

37:30

in my own direction, you know, it's

37:33

pretty cool. It's not the general, you

37:38

know, straightforward childhood,

37:40

but definitely something that I'm

37:43

appreciative of. You

37:46

and I grew up, I would say, with

37:48

family dynamics anyway, somewhat very

37:50

similar. You know, to where that

37:52

father figure really wasn't in my life. And,

37:55

you know, speaking of, I was

37:57

also a very curious young man. I

38:00

wasn't afraid to ask questions, but I also think that that

38:02

was a need and

38:04

a yearning for guidance and a mentor. And

38:07

if I look back on my own life, like I

38:09

can look back and put those pieces together

38:11

now, but I was always

38:14

seeking out someone who is

38:16

going to help me navigate life or learn

38:18

something new or someone who is going

38:20

to mentor me. And I'm curious

38:23

for your life growing up, was

38:25

there someone or were there

38:28

a few different people that were

38:30

really remarkable in your life as it relates

38:32

to a mentor or a guide or somebody

38:34

who took the time to just show

38:36

you a thing or two? There's

38:40

been so many, bro. I did

38:42

have a stepfather in my life. My mom,

38:44

all of my brothers and sisters are from

38:46

her second long-term relationship with

38:52

my stepfather, Pete. He was around and

38:55

he was very present in our life and a good father.

38:57

He has a bunch of kids as well. So it's kind

38:59

of like the Brady Bunch kind of merging and then they

39:02

had more. So

39:05

I did have that from like 10 till I

39:08

was grown more or less. There wasn't male figure

39:10

in the house that was a strong role model.

39:14

My grandfather and my mom's dad

39:16

was very intelligent, bright, like

39:20

you're in the same sense as you

39:22

had that grandfather

39:24

figure in your life of a strong,

39:27

successful man. My grandfather was way out

39:29

there, bro. He was like, he

39:32

was a wild man. He was

39:34

a superintendent in the Ironworkers Union. He

39:38

built bridges all over the country. Ironworkers

39:40

are tough as shit. They

39:42

ended up in Pittsburgh because of all the bridges

39:44

that worked there. He

39:47

was building computers in his basement in the 70s. He

39:49

was like way out, like hyper

39:52

intelligent almost to the point of

39:54

non comprehensible of, you

39:57

know what I mean? He was so far ahead of his

39:59

time that the. that he was talking about

40:01

and on spiritually and in

40:03

computer science was like, I

40:05

mean, had he

40:08

been 10 years after, I'm sure he would have

40:10

built one of these companies better, you

40:12

know, that we're so prominent in today. But

40:15

I think he was is probably a little

40:17

too far ahead of his time and was

40:20

so far out there with his ideas and

40:22

concepts that people didn't really grasp what he

40:24

was talking about, you know, but he

40:26

was also another, another

40:30

character that was different and

40:32

didn't really follow the rules in any aspect

40:34

or area of life and had no could

40:38

give a fuck less what anybody thought about that.

40:41

So I definitely think that these I

40:52

gravitated towards like outlaw type figures,

40:55

not necessarily in their lifestyle, but in

40:57

the way that they saw

41:00

the world and picked

41:02

and chose the opportunities that were

41:04

available to them. They were all

41:06

kind of operating on their own

41:08

accord. And I've

41:11

kind of followed that path in life, I

41:13

suppose to where, you

41:15

know, there was no structure

41:18

of this is next, this is next,

41:21

this is next, you know, so I got to know

41:24

that I was capable of building what I

41:26

want to and, and that I was probably

41:28

going to have to do it by myself.

41:31

And following that type of that

41:34

path. That

41:37

is a solid lesson that most of us

41:40

never get. And I am

41:43

curious, I want to go back to your

41:45

stepdad. There's a lot of guys man that

41:47

listen to this show. And let

41:49

me back up for a second, my own experience,

41:51

you know, I had a stepdad from four

41:54

to 10, right, biological mothers out stepped out from

41:56

four to 10. But then after

41:58

that, it became like just this reverse, the evolving door of

42:00

just dudes. And

42:04

my mom didn't get remarried again until I was

42:06

18. But

42:09

even though a lot of them were pains in

42:12

the rear, there

42:15

were good things that I learned from probably each one of

42:18

them, just a nugget or two, right? But

42:20

for you, we have a lot of

42:22

guys who listen to the podcast who, bonus

42:24

dads, right? Or they have a blended family

42:27

dynamic. And those dynamics are

42:29

not easy to navigate. And it sounded like

42:31

you had a really pretty

42:34

positive experience with your

42:36

stepdad. And I think what would really serve

42:38

the guys who are in that situation and

42:40

they're in a blended family, or they have

42:43

a step, you know, stepson, stepdaughter, and they're

42:45

like, I'm not exactly sure what good looks

42:47

like. And looking back on it, your experience, what

42:50

was some things that he did that

42:52

were really positive that you remember that really

42:54

helped move the needle and maybe your connection

42:57

with him? I

43:00

mean, he's just a good

43:02

dude, bro. He's

43:06

got my name tattooed on his arm from the time I

43:08

was a child. He's just a big, huge,

43:11

you know, monster of

43:13

a man, biker that

43:16

is just a good dude though, good hearted,

43:19

a big teddy bear. And he kind

43:21

of, my mom was

43:23

seeing quite a few different people. There

43:26

was a bunch of in and out, you know, and

43:28

people she dated. And I learned later as I

43:31

got older that, you know, she physically

43:33

and mentally fought with every man she's

43:35

ever been with. So I

43:38

think he was the best at navigating

43:40

that situation and

43:44

stayed around the longest, you know, they had three

43:47

kids together. So, you know, early on, it's like, you

43:56

know, why is my mom fighting with all these people? And then

43:58

at some point you take to another. shouldn't let,

44:00

okay. Apparently,

44:02

they weren't the problem. And a lot of those

44:05

situations, obviously, you know, what do they say? It's

44:07

not, if you fight with everybody,

44:09

it's not it's not them, right? It's, you

44:12

know, it's what are you doing to put yourself

44:14

in this situation over and over and over again,

44:16

and push people to this limit that they're, they're

44:18

combative, you know. But no, he

44:20

was a he was a good dude, he treated me as

44:22

his own. You know, and he,

44:26

he had a lot of love to give, if nothing else. And

44:28

he was there. And he was in

44:31

your corner, and he would show up and, you

44:33

know, I have memories of him on sets, and

44:37

traveling around. And, you know, he

44:39

was very present and active in my

44:41

life and, and a

44:44

being there role, you know, I

44:46

don't know that anybody could ever guide me

44:49

as a child, I wasn't exactly guideable.

44:52

In a certain sense, you could drop

44:54

wisdom on me. And if I chose to listen to

44:56

it, I would, but I

44:59

don't have the personality type I never

45:01

have that has been. What

45:04

did my mom used to say? She said,

45:06

Yeah, from the time

45:09

he was about three, you just had

45:11

to wake up before him, because if you didn't,

45:15

there would be hell to pay for it, right? So

45:18

if left unattended, you don't know what the fuck

45:20

was going to be going on when you got

45:22

up. I was kind of just going to be

45:25

doing my own thing, you know? Yeah. And

45:27

that's kind of our situation. You

45:30

were very independent. Yeah,

45:32

not just independent, but like probably mischievous

45:34

to the point like, my

45:37

independence with like the ability to

45:39

actually, you know, cause

45:41

harm to myself and with

45:43

the with whatever I

45:45

was trying to get into for that time, you know,

45:47

yeah, you know, we talk

45:49

about these little, our kids, the little drunks that

45:51

are running around our house, you know, all the

45:53

time, you know, sometimes it's

45:56

easier when they're not so capable,

45:59

when they're still that mental state. When

46:01

you have one that is super extremely

46:04

capable but still a little drunk

46:06

running around the house, you know,

46:08

chaos will ensue because they're capable of

46:10

pretty much anything at any given time,

46:12

you know? A functional drunk, right?

46:14

A functional little drunk. With a lot of

46:16

energy. With a lot of energy. Tons of

46:18

energy. Yeah. Not listening to guidance either. At

46:21

all. Yeah. So. So

46:23

just to pull the gold out of

46:26

that, you know, your stepdad had a

46:28

foundation of just quite frankly being a

46:30

good man. Somebody who

46:34

would give you his time, his

46:36

attention. I think it's fascinating that

46:38

he had your name

46:40

tattooed on his

46:42

arm. And the fact that, you know,

46:45

a bonus dad, a stepdad, I

46:47

mean, that really

46:50

shows that like, hey, I'm committed so

46:52

much that your name's going on my

46:54

body, right? Yeah.

46:58

Yeah. It's a pretty, especially

47:00

for the time period too, is a

47:02

pretty, obviously, I

47:04

think we've evolved as father

47:06

figures in all sense of the word, you know what I mean?

47:10

And that, I mean, you hear the stories about the

47:14

getting treated like a stepchild, I suppose, you know what

47:16

I mean? But I didn't have that, that

47:20

experience, you know? I had,

47:22

he was a solid dude and a solid figure

47:24

in our lives and I'm very thankful for that.

47:28

I think that's good because he, you know, if

47:30

we're really talking to the guys out

47:32

there that and trust me, man, there's so many of them

47:35

that are just scratching their head and like, you know,

47:37

how do I, number one, how do I connect with this kid?

47:40

Right? Not my kid, technically sort

47:42

of, you know, it's not my kid and

47:45

I'm not trying to replace their dad, right?

47:48

That maybe they have a dad in their

47:50

life, but I'm not necessarily trying to do that. And

47:53

then of course, when it comes to like

47:55

being present or disciplinary or like, what

47:57

can I do? What can I not do? What are the boundaries here?

47:59

There's so so many moving parts, so

48:01

many moving parts in that, right? And

48:03

then once you start to have half

48:06

siblings, right? Your

48:09

mom and him and now siblings are coming

48:11

after you, it's like, well, it's

48:14

like mine, hers and ours, right? And

48:17

what are those dynamics? Like there's so many moving

48:19

parts, and I can't even tell you how many

48:21

emails I get where it's a

48:23

question around that blended family

48:26

and those dynamics and how to navigate them.

48:29

But it sounds like for just to keep

48:31

it super simple, like the

48:33

way this man was is he was in your

48:35

life, he was committed to you, and

48:38

that's what he stood for, and that's the way he was

48:40

gonna operate. Yeah, I

48:42

still have a relationship with his kids, his

48:45

older kids, you know, my older brother and

48:47

sister who were his kids, and then I

48:49

have two younger brothers that

48:51

were his from another marriage, and

48:53

I'm actually gonna see my

48:56

oldest brother and sister, Shane and Stormy, they

48:58

live in Colorado, and I'm headed there to

49:00

Fort Collins for a Sandlot on Broadway event

49:02

this weekend. And I'm gonna get to

49:04

have lunch with them, I haven't seen them in a while. And

49:07

then my younger brother's picking me up, he's actually in

49:09

Colorado now too from the airport, so we're

49:11

gonna drive and have lunch with them. But yeah, it's like a

49:14

big blended extended family, and we've all

49:16

kind of just made the best of

49:19

it forever. We're not

49:21

like as super close, everybody's spread

49:23

around, but we're

49:25

all still in each other's lives in some way,

49:28

and get along and understand that

49:32

love put us together for

49:34

whatever reason, and we made the best of it,

49:36

you know? Yeah, yeah, man, I love

49:38

that. And by the way, if you're in Fort

49:41

Collins, if you're into hiking at all, there's

49:43

an awesome trail there. I think it's called

49:47

Broken Horse Tooth Mountain, I think.

49:49

It's something along those lines. Have

49:52

you ever been there? No, I've never been

49:54

to Fort Collins. But I'll

49:56

be there this weekend. Yeah, it's great. If you get to hike,

49:58

I'd love to. Intercom my ten

50:00

year old with me on a trip to

50:03

Four pounds. We did I can. It was

50:05

breathtaking. Is really cool here for now. Yeah,

50:08

You. Know am. So.

50:10

Now you now you have kids of

50:13

your own. you know and isn't number

50:15

five. Will be here this summer and

50:17

you're married and now. Based.

50:20

In. Your. Experience is growing

50:22

up. Pretty unique. Not.

50:24

Only from. You. Know

50:26

the it. Did. Your

50:28

experiences as a as a as an actor growing up

50:31

and now and to the present day. But.

50:33

Also the dynamics is being born

50:35

in Pittsburgh, moving to Dallas. you

50:37

know mom and dad and part

50:39

ways moved our way. Step dad

50:41

comes into play. Older.

50:45

Siblings that you're not necessarily to, but now

50:47

part of the family and then three more

50:49

behind you. And now you have a family

50:51

of your on. And. I'm

50:53

always so fascinated to really just

50:55

ask the question of. When.

50:58

It comes to marriage and that connection the

51:00

you have with your wife. How

51:03

do you go about making sure that. That.

51:06

Is something that stays front of mine. And then

51:08

next question is same thing with your kids. Like

51:10

one thing about parenting right? I mean like I

51:12

run this podcast I have for nine years. And.

51:16

I'm. Still an idiot. Still,

51:18

Like it. Still, Make mistakes all

51:20

the fucking time. I have

51:23

yet, but. There. There

51:25

are some ways that I operate the

51:27

help with that either. some ground rules

51:29

that I operate within the for you

51:31

marriage and parenting. Where. The things

51:33

that work well for you guys. Bomb.

51:40

One day at a time ruff out of. A

51:44

really have a a followed answer to

51:46

that. I

51:49

can say that I'm committed and doing

51:51

let I asked to do to. Make.

51:54

Sure that the ship. Stay

51:56

afloat. Regardless, Him: and

52:00

And I definitely don't captain

52:02

calm seas. And

52:06

some of that is because of

52:09

my own idiosyncrasies,

52:13

I'm sure. But I'll

52:16

definitely stay at the

52:19

wheel regardless. And

52:25

I enjoy being the captain of

52:27

the ship and

52:32

trying to lead them to a better

52:35

life. I'll

52:39

tell you, man, what sounds simple

52:42

to you in just the way of your operating system,

52:45

believe it or not, I'm sure you probably know this,

52:47

but what you just said, there's plenty

52:49

of men who are checked out. There

52:51

are plenty of men out there, man, they're just going through the

52:53

motions. They're not committed and

52:56

they're just sort of physically there, but mentally and

52:58

emotionally, they're not captain. They're not the captain of

53:01

that ship, right? They're a

53:03

passenger and they're on the ride and they have

53:05

no clue what waves are in front of them

53:07

or where they're navigating. And

53:10

just the fact that you said that

53:12

much, that's like those words and

53:15

where your feet are planted and what you stand

53:17

for and how you're committed. That's

53:19

a lot. That's a lot more than others. And just like

53:22

you said before we even started today, the

53:25

goal that comes out of these interviews are

53:27

what is quite frankly, somewhat

53:29

simple to you from a mindset

53:31

perspective is super difficult for somebody

53:34

else. And maybe they're not even grasping it yet.

53:37

And what you just said, I guarantee there's

53:39

somebody in the audience and been like, and that's what

53:41

I needed to hear. Yeah.

53:43

That commitment. Yeah.

53:46

But I think that it's

53:49

easy to feel like a victim in life and

53:52

for whatever reason, but the simple

53:54

fact of the matter is that we all get the

53:56

same 24 hours in a day. We

54:00

don't necessarily have the same tools as others, but

54:03

those can all be developed. You

54:05

might not be as effective or as efficient. That

54:08

goes back to the outlier thing that some

54:10

people have a path that leads them to a

54:12

certain direction and without all

54:15

of these things lining up, they wouldn't end at

54:17

the same result. But

54:19

we are in control, especially now more

54:21

than ever, of any aspect of

54:23

our life that we want to focus on. And

54:25

it's our choice to either focus on it or not. I

54:28

agree. Well, not to take away from anybody. I

54:31

don't think that, you know, I'm not one of

54:33

these hardcore routine, you need to get up and

54:35

do this, this and this or live your life

54:37

like this or anything else. But I think that

54:39

the first thing we need to do as

54:42

men and as women and as adults

54:44

that are leading children is to take

54:46

responsibility for us having the control of

54:50

the things that go on around us, you know,

54:52

whether we feel like we're not attracting these things

54:55

or not, the laws of nature, the laws of

54:57

nature and the things we think about tend

55:00

to arise in front of us. And

55:03

people need to understand that

55:06

we are bringing these things into our life

55:09

either by negative or positive thoughts. And

55:12

you know, that needs

55:14

to be present and know that, you know, this

55:17

is part of that. Yeah. Isn't

55:19

it funny how that happens, what we focus on

55:21

grows and what we focus on

55:23

expands. I do have one

55:26

more question for you. Yes, sir.

55:28

This is a fun one. And

55:31

so I want you, I want to give the

55:33

audience a glimpse into how you

55:36

if we were to walk into

55:38

your house on a given Friday evening

55:40

and we see your family doing

55:42

something just hilarious

55:44

or fun or whatever it is that

55:47

you guys are like laughing your asses

55:49

off. What are you guys doing? Probably

55:54

really loud. Yeah. Same.

55:56

Four boys. Come on, man. I

56:02

mean, we might be playing PlayStation together, or

56:05

Wheel of Fortune on the PlayStation,

56:07

or a board game, or something of that

56:09

nature. Or

56:12

my wife and daughter might be making a

56:15

TikTok or doing something goofy like that. But

56:18

playing ball in the house with

56:20

the dog and the baby running around me and my son. It's

56:23

definitely loud, but we

56:26

tend to have fun together in those

56:28

moments. And

56:32

we enjoy each other's company for the most part. So

56:36

there's definitely some life and love there. You

56:43

come across to me as somebody who embraces that

56:45

loudness and that energy. Yeah,

56:48

I say that I would like it, that

56:53

I like peace. But

56:55

obviously, my

56:58

household would tell

57:00

you otherwise that obviously I'm

57:02

attracting death of

57:05

both. So it's

57:08

all good, man. You know, kids don't

57:10

have a volume switch. So yeah, they

57:13

just scream on the set right next to you.

57:15

Oh, they do, man. I'll tell you, it's interesting.

57:18

Before we had four boys, when

57:20

we had two, I was like, man,

57:22

I just want peace and quiet. And when I had peace and quiet,

57:24

I was like, all right, cool. And then we

57:26

had four. And my

57:28

house suddenly became crazy loud. And

57:32

I thought it would annoy me. And

57:34

it actually like, I'm

57:37

number one totally used to it now.

57:40

But here's the crazy thing. I don't know if you've fallen

57:42

into this one. But if you're ever at

57:45

home by yourself, which by the way, never

57:47

happens, but when it does, the

57:50

three times a year that it happens, it's

57:52

cool for like 15 minutes

57:54

and then suddenly you're like, well,

57:58

what's going on? going

58:00

on. This is weird. The silence

58:02

is deafening actually. It's weird. Yeah,

58:06

it's very somber and

58:10

eerie and

58:12

boring. I don't have any other

58:14

word for it. I definitely tend

58:16

to get anxious and want

58:18

to leave the house in those situations.

58:21

Definitely a doer. I like to have things in front of me.

58:25

When it stops is when I get nervous. I

58:28

don't like idle. It just wigs me out.

58:32

I know I said that was my last question. I do have one more and this

58:34

will be a quick one. This

58:38

year is the 30th anniversary of

58:40

the Sandlot. It's a big deal.

58:42

This is actually

58:44

one of my dad's favorite quotes. He's been

58:46

saying it for... I met my dad 18

58:48

years ago and we've had a relationship ever

58:50

since. My dad is known for

58:52

saying, you're killing me smalls by... I can't

58:56

remember his name off the top of my head. Patrick.

58:59

This is the 30th year and people for now, a

59:01

few generations, this

59:09

is an iconic family

59:11

experience movie that people quote.

59:13

People never forget it. How

59:16

are you guys celebrating, if you

59:18

are, the 30th anniversary

59:20

of the movie this year? Oh

59:24

man, we've been on a... We were on a tour all

59:26

summer. We went to the Sandlot and had a huge event

59:28

there. We do that

59:30

about every five years. I've seen the guys at the

59:32

bunch. We've done a pun. We went to Cooperstown and

59:34

signed autographs there during the induction to the Hall of

59:37

Fame. Walked around the Hall of

59:39

Fame. I actually shot a podcast with a friend

59:41

of mine there at the Hall of Fame looking

59:44

at our baseball in the movie section with the

59:46

Sandlot in it. We've done so much and

59:49

it's such a blessing still to, after all these

59:51

years, to see the

59:53

popularity and the amount of lives touched,

59:56

just continue to rise with each generation. You

1:00:00

know, it's such a blessing to know that this thing

1:00:02

that we did together 30 years ago is now definitely

1:00:07

will live us and will continue to inspire

1:00:09

ball players and young kids to get out

1:00:11

and get dirty and play and have a

1:00:13

little bit of fun and get into some

1:00:15

trouble, right? I love it. Maybe

1:00:17

not too much, but, but some the

1:00:21

words of the great, you know, Karen Allen, that's the, you

1:00:24

know, well, if any of the

1:00:26

guys, you know, listening, and by the way, congratulations on,

1:00:28

on your success,

1:00:31

congratulations on the things you've been working

1:00:33

on, on being a successful

1:00:35

entrepreneur as well. If men

1:00:37

want to connect with you in any

1:00:40

way, shape or form, follow you on social media. What is the best way

1:00:42

to do that? Just ask Gwence on Instagram, you know, they can

1:00:44

shoot me a DM and I pretty much try to answer everybody and,

1:00:47

you know, I'm not hard to find if you want to find me.

1:00:49

My social is, I usually keep

1:00:51

it blank until I'm like Dave Ewing, and I'm like, I'm not a professional

1:00:54

entrepreneur. I'm not hard to find if you want

1:00:57

to find me. My social is, I usually keep

1:00:59

it blank until I'm like Dave Ewing, a new

1:01:01

product or something. But other than that, you know,

1:01:03

I'm always on or around. I see, I see,

1:01:05

I see all you can tag me in something.

1:01:07

If you tag at Gwence or hashtag Gwence, I'll

1:01:10

probably pop up in the comments somewhere. Got

1:01:12

it. Guys, not to worry, we're

1:01:14

gonna have all the links in the show notes,

1:01:17

you can head on over to the data edge.com/463

1:01:20

for the show again, the

1:01:22

data edge.com/463. Chauncey,

1:01:25

this was awesome, man. Thank you for coming on. And by

1:01:28

the way, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for

1:01:30

having me on your podcast as well. That was, that was

1:01:32

so much fun. And yeah,

1:01:34

I look forward to, you know,

1:01:36

deepening our friendship and relationship and

1:01:39

thank you for coming on. Appreciate you,

1:01:41

Larry. I had a blast.