0:00

Many times I get asked why I started

0:02

the dad edge and quite frankly I

0:04

started the dad edge back in 2011

0:06

because I was overwhelmed. I was

0:09

burnt out and I

0:11

didn't have a playbook for

0:14

marriage, for kids, for

0:16

my own mentality and I was

0:19

literally burning the candle at both ends. It

0:21

wasn't until I started learning going through

0:23

personal development that I

0:25

really understood what to do,

0:27

how to do it and if

0:29

I really look at the main

0:31

problem it was burnout. I was

0:33

really, really burnt out. I

0:35

was burnt out at work, I was burnt

0:38

out with family, I was burnt out emotionally,

0:40

I was burnt out mentally, I was

0:42

just literally fried and I had no place to go.

0:45

Studies have actually shown that

0:48

work-related stress and burnout actually affects

0:50

44% of men on

0:52

a daily basis and parental

0:54

burnout actually impacts 70% of

0:57

us as fathers. It leads us

1:00

to emotional exhaustion, detachment from our

1:02

kids and even detachment just from

1:04

our own fulfillment and joy as

1:06

it means to be a man, husband

1:09

and father. But the thing is that there's hope

1:11

and that's why I'm excited to share with you

1:13

guys what we're doing in the month of March

1:15

in the Dad Edge Alliance mastermind community. We are

1:18

tackling burnout head on with

1:20

our March agenda and it's designed specifically

1:22

for men who are ready to reclaim

1:24

their lives. In just four

1:26

weeks, in the month of March, we're going to

1:28

equip you with the tools and the strategies to

1:30

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1:32

Whether it's work-related burnout, parental

1:34

burnout, marital burnout, our

1:37

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1:39

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1:42

of burnout to prioritizing self-care and redefining

1:44

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1:46

every single step of the way. So

1:49

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1:51

Join us over at the Dad Edge

1:53

mastermind and we'll help you take the first

1:55

step towards a happier, healthier and more fulfilling

1:58

life. Head on over to thedadedge.com. Fill

2:00

out a quick application, meet with our

2:02

team, and if it's a fit, let's

2:05

go do this work and march together. Welcome

2:10

to the Dad Edge Podcast. The

2:13

Dad Edge Movement creates leaders of men, leaders

2:15

of families, and leaders of communities.

2:18

We will not only impact this generation

2:20

of fathers, but the next generation as

2:22

well. The kids we are

2:25

raising will have better chances and odds stacked

2:27

in their favor because of the amazing example

2:29

that their fathers emulated for them. We

2:32

are here to change the world. We

2:34

are here to change relationships. We

2:37

are here to positively disrupt this generation

2:39

of fathers so no man goes to their

2:41

grave with a grave. We

2:43

disrupt the drift of busyness and

2:45

replace it with razor focused intention, passion,

2:49

purpose, and direction. We

2:52

are the Dad Edge. And

2:54

we will never change the game. Hey,

3:10

what's going on gentlemen? Welcome to the Dad

3:12

Edge Podcast. I'm Larry Hagner, your host and

3:14

founder of this podcast, this show, and this

3:17

movement. I've got a fantastic,

3:20

fantastic guest for you guys today and many of you

3:22

probably already know who he is. And

3:24

that is Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman.

3:26

He is a retired United States

3:29

Army officer. He's also

3:31

a former West Point psychology professor.

3:34

He's also an author and a speaker. He's

3:37

gained recognition for his work in

3:39

the field of psychology and warfare,

3:41

particularly focusing on the psychological and

3:43

physiological effects on combat on soldiers.

3:46

He's also best known for his books,

3:49

including On Killing. That's the title of

3:51

his book, The Psychological Cost of Learning

3:53

to Kill in War and Society. On

3:56

combat, the psychological and physiological of

3:59

deadly conflict. in war and peace. He

4:02

also wrote Bulletproof Marriage, which

4:04

is actually a 90-day daily

4:06

devotional. He's got a plethora of

4:08

other books as well, but those are

4:10

some of the books that he is most known

4:12

for. He also speaks

4:14

extensively on topics for law

4:16

enforcement, military training, and mental

4:18

preparation required for individuals who

4:20

find themselves in high-stress situations.

4:23

And on today's podcast, it was, I

4:25

mean, I just love the guy. He

4:28

talked about so many amazing things, but he

4:30

talked about what sleep

4:33

deprivation actually does to us as

4:35

human beings, and especially

4:37

for our kids. He's

4:39

gonna talk about spiritual combat and

4:41

what that's all about, and the

4:44

difference between spiritual combat and

4:46

spiritual warfare. He's also

4:48

gonna talk to us today about

4:50

what's called generational assassination, and this

4:52

is all about electronics and

4:55

the impact of suicide

4:57

and death and all these

4:59

things that constantly are

5:01

vying for the attention from

5:04

our kids. I mean, we're seeing suicide rates

5:06

and depression rates the highest they've

5:08

ever been, and we're also seeing kids

5:10

spending more and more time on

5:12

screens as well. So just

5:15

an incredible podcast for you guys today. I

5:17

really, really enjoyed having Lieutenant

5:19

Colonel Grossman on today. Just

5:21

a couple of quick announcements before we jump in today.

5:24

Head on over to

5:26

the dadedge.com/summit 2024. This

5:31

year's summit, we are moving away from

5:33

the St. Louis area, and we are

5:35

going down to Orlando, Florida. So

5:37

for all you people who wanna go to

5:40

Disney this year, it might be a good

5:42

opportunity for you to double

5:44

up and bring the family. That's one

5:46

of the reasons why we want

5:48

to move it to a different, more family-friendly

5:50

location. It is going to

5:52

be October 16th, 17th, and 18th, and

5:56

early bird tickets do expire this month

5:58

in February. They will still... We will be

6:01

on sale, but our early bird

6:03

pricing is going to expire at the end of

6:05

this month. So if you're looking for an absolutely

6:07

incredible experience where we're gonna have well over 150

6:10

men in the seats at

6:13

this year's summit, go check

6:15

it out. It's an incredible,

6:17

incredible experience. We are gonna be

6:19

helping you solidify the connection with

6:21

your wife through marriage training. We're gonna

6:24

really dive deep into that. We're

6:26

also gonna be helping you become a better leader

6:28

as it relates to yourself and your

6:30

kids. All kinds of fun

6:32

experiences are planned, but head on over,

6:35

like I said, head on over to

6:37

thedatedge.com/summit 2024. All

6:40

right, gentlemen, let's get right to today's interview. You

6:43

will love the message from Lieutenant

6:45

Colonel Dave Grossman. Lieutenant Grossman,

6:47

welcome to the Dat Edge, my friend. Hey,

6:51

how you doing, brother? I'm doing great. It's

6:53

an honor to be here, Larry. It's just a privilege to

6:55

be here. Such a fan of what

6:57

you're doing. I'm focusing on,

7:00

from a godly perspective, whether

7:02

the responsibility as dads, this

7:06

is just so important. I

7:08

don't think a lot of people know that

7:11

the very last verse in the

7:13

Old Testament is a curse on

7:16

fathers who did not support their

7:18

sons and sons who did not turn to

7:20

their father. Malachi 4.5 is the second of

7:23

the last verse in the Old Testament. Behold,

7:25

I will send you Elijah, the

7:28

prophet, before the coming of the great

7:30

and dreadful day of the Lord. And

7:32

that Elijah, that prophet is Jesus,

7:34

that prophecy has been fulfilled. Then

7:36

the final verse says, and he

7:39

shall turn the heart of the

7:41

fathers to their children and

7:43

the heart of the children to their fathers, lest

7:46

I come and smite the earth

7:48

with a curse. The

7:51

very last verse in the Old Testament is

7:54

on us as fathers to turn our

7:56

hearts to our children and

7:58

our children's hearts to their fathers. and

8:01

to our fathers and that's

8:03

so powerful. And I

8:06

wanna honor you and honor

8:08

your listeners. You know, when I

8:10

was a kid, we had three networks and one

8:12

newspaper and a

8:15

couple of national magazines and that's all

8:17

there was. But the podcast revolution has

8:20

broken through that

8:23

monopoly on information.

8:26

And back in the day, I was on 2020 in 60 minutes

8:29

that meant nothing. It was a three minute sound bite. You

8:31

had no control of what you were gonna say. And

8:34

the next day it was, you know, a week later it was

8:36

forgotten. The people

8:38

who are seeking the podcasts are

8:41

truly seeking deeper levels

8:43

of knowledge. They're not satisfied with a

8:45

five minute sound bite. They want this

8:47

deeper level of knowledge. And then, you

8:49

know, so much of technology has been

8:51

a negative, but this whole

8:54

business of the podcast revolution is

8:56

a true positive great men and

8:58

women like you doing these

9:00

podcasts. You're not doing it get stinking filthy

9:02

American dream rich. You know, unless you're Joe

9:04

Rogan, you're not making any money. And

9:06

you're doing it because you wanna make a difference. And

9:09

people listening to this, why

9:11

would they spend their precious valuable time to listen

9:13

to this, not getting paid to do it? Well,

9:16

once again, it's because they wanna make their families

9:18

and their lives and their nation a better place

9:20

and that's a beautiful thing. Man,

9:22

I love that. I think

9:25

you're dead on. I mean, I remember, you

9:27

know, my parents watching 60 Minutes and like

9:29

in between the commercials is like, right,

9:32

right. And there was not this

9:34

incredible resource that

9:37

we have right now, which is this, these beautiful

9:41

opportunities for information on the go, like this conversation.

9:43

I know gold is gonna come out of the

9:45

information that you're gonna share with us. And

9:48

I love the fact that we can impact people

9:51

just through their AirPods, whether they're in the

9:53

car, whether they're in the gym, whether they're

9:55

going through a hike or whatever, somebody

9:57

is going to learn something from this.

10:00

incredible conversation that otherwise 30 years ago wouldn't

10:02

have been able to be a reality. Like

10:04

we would have had to maybe record this

10:06

on a cassette tape and then sell it

10:08

in a store somehow. So I think

10:10

you're dead on. And it will be

10:12

here a year from now and 10 years from

10:15

now and 100 years from now. Yeah. People can

10:17

reach back and into that archive

10:19

and find this depth of information. What a

10:21

beautiful and powerful thing. And coming

10:23

back around to this focus on dads,

10:26

you know, in the New Testament, you

10:29

know, we're told that our first priority is to

10:31

care for our family. As

10:33

I said, even the unbelievers, even the

10:36

infidels, care for their families.

10:38

If you do not have that as your

10:40

top priority, then the

10:42

unbeliever is better than you are. And

10:45

our love begins, you know, with

10:47

our family and our responsibility to care

10:50

for their well-being and to care for

10:52

our little ones. You know, I've

10:54

got kids and I've got a son with line

10:56

combat tours, just retired. I've got a grandson in

10:58

the army and a blanket man will be a

11:00

great grandfather, you know. So I'm going to

11:03

give you an angle on this. I think your list is my

11:05

point of great value. I

11:07

teach cops in all 50 states. I think

11:09

I'm the only law enforcement. Yeah. Yeah. To

11:11

be post certified in all 50 states. And

11:15

I've been full on cancel culture,

11:17

you know, attack on me

11:19

and what I'm doing. And they've accomplished nothing. I'm

11:21

driving on doing my thing. But

11:24

I'm teaching cops and many, many

11:27

military and first responders and school

11:29

safety and do church

11:31

work. But I ask my

11:33

cops, law enforcement recruiting

11:35

is down, retention is down. Every

11:38

action they take will be caught on camera.

11:41

They'll be held accountable at the highest levels.

11:43

The deck is stacked against them.

11:46

There's so many things going on here. And I,

11:48

I heard a guy say, people want to be

11:50

a cop because they like to boss people around.

11:54

Cops take more garbage and

11:56

more flack every day. If a

11:58

firefighter Keep that

12:00

door unlocked. Okay. If

12:03

the whole construction guy comes in and says,

12:05

hey, you know, you need to get that

12:07

refinished and get that change, you have water

12:09

down. Okay. God says, hey, you

12:11

need to move over there. What? Who are

12:13

you? Who are you gonna do? Gonna shoot me? Yeah,

12:15

I'm not gonna do it. Yes, I see. Nobody

12:18

gets disrespected on a steady, steady,

12:20

persistent basis like cop stewards. It's

12:22

bizarre. But why would anybody do this?

12:26

I tell them all I can do, but

12:28

I'm still in the fight. And

12:30

I pose the question, what

12:33

is the opposite of evil? And

12:38

what quenches evil as

12:40

light defeats the darkness? And

12:43

the answer is love. Love

12:46

defeats evil as light defeats

12:48

darkness. Evil is the

12:50

absence of love. And

12:52

you know what makes a great cop, a

12:54

great first responder, a great firefighter, a great

12:56

humanist, is love, empathy.

12:59

They ask the question, empathy is our

13:01

superpower. Empathy is

13:03

our superpower as believers.

13:06

Empathy is love with the shoes on in action. What

13:09

if it was my family trapped in that broken house? What

13:12

if it was my child that was abused? What if it

13:14

was my spouse that was attacked? What

13:17

if it was my father lying there

13:19

needing CPR? And

13:21

that empathy, that love is how we defeat

13:23

evil. And I tell people, why don't

13:25

we stay in the fight? Well, the

13:28

thing about love is the worst it gets part

13:30

of your fight. You know,

13:32

you got a sick baby at home. What do you do?

13:35

Abandon the baby? Yeah, I'm out of here. It didn't sound

13:37

like, oh no, no, you got a sick baby. You started

13:39

kick-stopping your phone, dude. Maybe

13:41

you're your spouse who quit their job to stay with

13:43

the sick kid full-time. That's all that means.

13:46

Gotta tell people, maybe one of the saddest, one of

13:49

the 10 saddest country Western songs ever written, Kenny

13:51

Rogers, picked a fine time to leave

13:53

me Lucille. Said, you picked a fine

13:56

time to leave me Lucille. Four hungry

13:58

children and a crop in the field. I've

14:00

had some bad times, though, through some sad times. It's

14:02

on the hurt North Hill. You pick

14:04

to find, leave me Lucille. Oh, those words tear

14:06

your heart out. The idea

14:08

of a mother abandoning four hungry

14:11

children, that's not right. And

14:13

so love means the worst it gets her, how do you fight? I

14:16

retired from the army 26 years ago. I'm

14:18

67 years old. It's

14:21

my prayer that I can do this for another 20 years. 24

14:26

years in the army, 26 years doing this. What

14:29

he got home for is my bride of 48 years, my

14:32

high school sweetheart. I tell people

14:34

she was 15. I was 17 when I

14:36

proposed her. We are from

14:39

Arkansas. And two

14:41

years later, she married a crazy army paratrooper.

14:44

Been this ride with me for 48 years. Actually

14:47

50 when he counters

14:49

our dating time. And

14:53

I get home one or two nights a week and

14:55

the conjugal visit, clean underwear, back in the room. Why?

14:59

Well, the only people on earth more precious to my

15:01

bride are my children and

15:04

my grandchildren. I got a

15:06

grandson of the army now, the blinkered eye of their

15:08

great grandfather. And we

15:11

believe if we love our children, if

15:13

we love our nation, if we love our

15:16

God, we'll give 100%. That's

15:18

what love means. The worst it gets her, how do

15:20

you fight? If you truly love

15:22

your children, if you truly love your God, if you

15:25

love your nation, the worst it gets her,

15:27

how do you fight? Ain't nobody

15:29

being a first responder for the money. Ain't

15:31

nobody doing it for the prestige. Ain't

15:33

nobody out there doing it. You know,

15:35

they'd be famous. They're doing it because

15:38

they want to spend their life to make the

15:40

world a little bit better place. And

15:43

that's a beautiful thing and that's love. That's empathy. And

15:46

so this whole dynamic, why we stay

15:48

on the fight, and

15:51

I'm telling something else to us. So, you know, fighting

15:54

with people like us, it

15:56

ought to be kind of like wrestling with the pig. Everybody

15:59

gets dirty. But the pig likes it. So,

16:02

you know, I tell everybody, stay in the fight.

16:04

Stay in the fight as long and hard as

16:06

you can. Twenty years from now, if the Lord

16:08

gives me the health, and I'm in pretty health

16:10

right now, and if somebody wants you like that,

16:12

say, I'm going to stay in that fight. And

16:15

that's what it's all about, is laying that

16:17

foundation of our families first and foremost and

16:21

the structure that blesses our families is

16:23

our government. And

16:26

one of my most recent books just came out

16:28

on January 1st of 2024 now, is on spiritual

16:32

warfare. Yeah. The

16:34

sequel to on spiritual combat. On spiritual

16:37

combat is basic training and equipment issues,

16:39

but on spiritual warfare takes it to

16:41

the next step. And

16:43

we talk about our

16:46

responsibility as citizens, the

16:48

democracy of republics such as ours. We

16:52

are the rulers. And

16:55

by our vote and by our political

16:58

influence, we rule this nation.

17:02

And as the ruler of a nation, God

17:05

will curse you. He

17:07

will curse you mightily if

17:10

you do not use your authority to

17:12

move your nation towards paths of righteousness. Look

17:15

at the curses that God inflicted

17:17

on the bad kings in the

17:19

Old Testament. Look at how God

17:21

just smoked and devastated these evil

17:23

kings who did not

17:25

use their authority to

17:27

move their nation towards path of righteousness. Well,

17:30

that's us. We're the rulers.

17:33

And if you don't vote and if you don't vote

17:35

for righteousness, then you're cursed. And

17:39

this is our responsibility as rulers. And

17:42

over and over again, we talk about the city.

17:45

Even though who's on your city council, does your

17:50

church sponsor candidates? Do you know who's

17:52

on your school board? Do

17:54

you even know who runs your county at

17:56

the county level? Who's involved? Who's

17:59

involved? running for school board

18:01

and running for office and, you know,

18:03

the city council and influence our nation

18:05

at the lowest levels and everything goes

18:08

out from there. And God's given us

18:10

authority over the cities and over the

18:12

land and we need to exercise that

18:15

authority. So this idea

18:17

that as citizens

18:19

in a democracy of republic,

18:22

we're the rulers and we're

18:24

subject to that Old Testament curse on

18:26

rulers who don't move their nation towards

18:28

passive righteousness, every bit of authority you

18:30

have to vote and

18:32

to influence others' votes and to influence

18:34

our nation towards passive righteousness. So that's

18:37

kind of the foundation of who we are and what we

18:39

do and why we do it. And

18:41

again, come back to the last

18:44

thing God tells us in the Old Testament is

18:47

a mighty curse on fathers who don't

18:49

turn to their sons and sons who

18:51

don't turn towards their fathers and this

18:53

mighty responsibility to leverage our

18:56

relationship. One of the things, one of the

18:58

advice I give to fathers, my

19:01

dad was a cop and he

19:03

worked a

19:05

lot of overtime and he

19:07

was sleep deprived a lot. And,

19:11

you know, we didn't necessarily need

19:14

the money from overtime. We needed our dad.

19:16

You know, he's a great father. He

19:18

tried so hard to give us stuff. One

19:21

of the greatest gifts you can give your children

19:23

is yourself. Instead of

19:25

that extra time on overtime, spend that time invested

19:27

in your children. Take them to the park, take

19:29

them somewhere free. You know, I'm

19:32

a huge science geek. My favorite website

19:34

is sciencedaily.com, which I could ever get

19:36

to every category. And

19:39

it was just studying on

19:42

what was most related with

19:44

joy and pleasure and

19:46

excitement. It was going to the park. You

19:49

know, it was at the same level.

19:51

They were doing word studies on hundreds

19:53

of thousands of Twitter feeds and

19:56

they were doing word studies. And the

19:58

only thing that compared with

20:00

the pleasure going to the park is personal. That

20:04

same level of excitement and positive talking

20:06

and how much fun we had, take

20:09

those little ones outside, they cost nothing. And then

20:11

one of my most recent books came out in

20:13

the spring of 2023 is On Hunting. I

20:18

wrote on combat, I wrote on killing. And

20:20

the third book in that triad

20:23

is On Hunting. You can't understand

20:25

combat, can't understand killing until

20:27

you understand hunting. And

20:31

take your children hunting. My

20:34

dad was never able to do that, but as a

20:36

grandfather, I took it as my

20:39

responsibility to take my grandchildren hunting. It's one

20:41

of the greatest cases you can give them.

20:43

And read the book on hunting and understand

20:45

the wellness that we get from being in

20:47

the wilderness. Understand the wellness

20:49

and the blessings that we get

20:52

from being outside and the things we give our

20:54

children. We took my grandson

20:56

to deer hunt, to deer camp. He was seven

20:59

years old. Now he's in the army now, right?

21:01

So that was a while ago. We went

21:03

to deer camp for a week, got in school for

21:05

a week. He comes home, his

21:08

mom said, what'd you like the best? He

21:10

said, cutting the deer. For

21:13

a seven year old boy, what's

21:15

inside that creature is fascinating. Look, there's the

21:17

kidney, there's the stomach, there's the liver, there's

21:19

the heart and the lungs. And you've got

21:22

the same stuff inside you. And

21:24

you smell the same inside you. And

21:27

we took the backstrap off, we slapped it

21:29

on the grill with some barbecue sauce and

21:32

meant food in your stomach right now. If

21:35

the first time your child ever

21:37

encounters that is some terrible

21:40

accident scene, some horrible crime scene,

21:42

some combat zone, then you

21:45

have set them up for failure. They

21:47

have to experience life and

21:50

death in all of this fullness and richness

21:53

as a child. And that means taking your kid

21:55

hunting and giving that experience to be one with

21:58

wilderness and the idea of an ethical shock. and

22:00

everything that we got in this book on hunting.

22:03

So first off, spend the time with

22:06

our kids, but second off, sleep.

22:09

We're in the middle of a

22:11

global epidemic of sleep deprivation and

22:15

sleep deprivation makes you stupid.

22:17

It's like being drunk. You have

22:19

impaired judgment and when you're

22:21

sleep deprived, you will do things

22:24

and say things you will regret for the

22:26

rest of your life. This

22:28

global epidemic of sleep deprivation, the

22:30

video games, they're designed to

22:32

put us in a flow state. All of us have done it.

22:35

You ever played the game and suddenly it's four or five o'clock

22:37

in the morning, got no idea where the

22:39

last eight hours went and it's time to get

22:41

dressed and go to work. Well, they do that on

22:43

purpose and now you're the equivalent

22:45

of blowing after 24 hours

22:47

without sleep. You're blowing

22:49

.10 equivalent impaired

22:51

judgment. You will say things to your loved ones.

22:54

You will do things you would regret for the

22:56

rest of your life. Binge-watching

22:58

TV shows, the head of Netflix,

23:00

had their competitor asleep. Sleep

23:03

deprivation is a key factor in suicide. I've

23:05

lost a brother and two nephews to suicide.

23:07

I'm a West Point psych professor. It wasn't

23:10

until the last 10 years I

23:12

looked it up and the link

23:14

between sleep deprivation and suicide is

23:17

enormous. A take in your

23:19

own life is not a natural act. You have

23:21

to have profoundly impaired judgment. Alcohol

23:23

and suicide have always been related.

23:26

Alcohol creates impaired judgment, make a bad decision,

23:28

give it a chance to rethink it. But

23:31

the most pervasive form of impaired judgment is

23:33

sleep deprivation. And this

23:35

sleep deprivation is killing us and

23:38

our children. A tween-age, 10, 11, 12-year-old, tween-age

23:41

girl's suicide rate is tripled per capita

23:43

just last decade. So here's

23:45

parenting a one-on-one for the 21st century.

23:48

When you send your kid to bed at night, take

23:50

their cell phone away from them.

23:53

No laptop in the room, no cell phone,

23:55

no TV in the room. They have got

23:58

to go to the room and sleep. So

24:01

a cop came up to me a while back there

24:03

and break one of my presentations. I

24:07

said I had one of those tweenagers. He

24:09

said she was a good girl. She was

24:11

an A student. And she

24:14

said, Dad, it's embarrassing. You don't

24:16

have to take my phone every night. Family policy.

24:18

Phone girls are charging. Go to bed. You

24:20

don't have to take my phone every night. You can

24:22

trust me. It's an okay. I trust you. Keep

24:25

your phone. And a little later, she took her life. My

24:27

little girl took her life. And he

24:29

said we never knew the hell she was living in until

24:32

we looked at the text messages on her cell

24:34

phone night after

24:36

night of ceaseless, relentless,

24:38

vicious bullying. And

24:40

he can't just ignore that. We're not wired that way.

24:43

He said it was heart-rending. This year,

24:46

all night long, night after night, trying

24:48

to defend herself, trying to find some

24:50

instant person. I understood. My

24:53

little girl was bullied to death. What

24:55

I didn't understand until now. She

24:59

was sleep deprived, tormented and bullied

25:01

to death in front of my eyes. And I

25:03

let it happen. He said, I can't

25:05

ignore that text message in the middle of the night.

25:08

How can we expect our kids to? The

25:10

one thing on earth I could have done for my little

25:12

girl is take her phone every night and

25:15

let her turn off all the beds in this world. So who's going

25:17

to be your mom and dad? Who's going to

25:19

make you turn off the world and get a good

25:21

night's sleep? And sleep

25:23

deprivation is a key factor in suicide

25:25

and traffic deaths. Globally,

25:28

suicides have exploded. Every age group,

25:30

every demographic group, except the Amherst

25:32

suicides have exploded. And globally, traffic

25:35

accidents have exploded. Decade

25:38

after decade, we brought traffic deaths

25:40

down, airbags, seat belts, medical tech

25:42

loads. Now worldwide, they've exploded. And

25:44

of course, there's a reason why airline pilots

25:46

and truck drivers are required by law

25:49

to get enough sleep. If you're

25:51

sleep deprived, dad, you're saying stupid

25:53

stuff and doing stupid stuff. You're far more like

25:55

a teacher life and far more like to have

25:57

a traffic accident, a book that ought to

25:59

be made. mandatory reading for everybody is why

26:02

we sleep. But Dr.

26:04

Walker and he talks

26:06

about the link between sleep deprivation

26:08

and Alzheimer's. He says, I'll

26:10

sleep when I'm dead. We have a decade of

26:12

Alzheimer's first, you idiot. So as

26:15

an adult, we need at

26:17

least seven hours of quality sleep

26:19

a night. Now the

26:21

best sleep hack I can possibly give you,

26:23

two sleep hacks. Number one,

26:26

we're designed to sleep in

26:28

total darkness. There's

26:31

any light whatsoever. I mean like the dark side,

26:33

the glowing dial of the clock is too much. So

26:36

what I tell people, sleep with a sleep mask.

26:38

Pray yourself to use that sleep mask. My grandson

26:40

grows up to college. What's most

26:42

likely to kill my grandson? Suicide, traffic,

26:44

deaths and drug overdoses. What's

26:46

the best gift I could give my grandson is a good

26:48

night's sleep. I gave him several different kinds of sleep masks.

26:51

I said, find the one you like and

26:54

use it. I call him up. Hey, how's

26:56

it going, buddy? How's it going? Great grandpa says, are you getting

26:58

enough sleep? Yes, sir. Are you getting your sleep mask? Yes, sir.

27:01

Matter of fact, you got a little grody and I bought a new one.

27:03

So there was a sleep

27:05

mask on Amazon, the number

27:07

one selling sleep mask last

27:09

I checked, had 85,000

27:11

reviews for a sleep mask. But

27:14

that's how people feel about it. 85,000 five

27:16

star reviews for a sleep mask. That's

27:18

how people feel about it. It will

27:20

rock your world. Number two, cut

27:23

off caffeine shortly after lunch. The

27:26

half life of caffeine in our body is

27:28

five hours. The caffeine you

27:30

take at dinner at

27:33

5pm is still half strength

27:35

when it goes to bed at 10pm. And

27:38

it's making you have bad quality

27:40

sleep. Two things, wear that

27:42

sleep mask, sleep in total darkness, make the room as

27:44

dark as you can, combine up the sleep mask, cut

27:47

off caffeine at the lunch and

27:50

work hard to get enough sleep. And

27:52

then your number one responsibility, God

27:54

tells you as a father, your

27:57

number one responsibility is to be a

27:59

father. there and

28:01

your kids don't need stuff. They

28:04

need time with you. Instead of

28:06

working that over time, how about taking them to

28:08

the park, take them hunting, get them out in

28:10

the wilderness, spend time with them,

28:13

get them out of the house, build a tree fort,

28:15

climb a tree, do these

28:17

kind of things and give them an opportunity

28:19

to be out in the wilderness and to

28:22

be part of that life. And again, study

28:24

after study shows us how good it

28:27

is to have trees around us. All

28:30

other factors filtered out over and over again,

28:32

the number of trees around a school predicts

28:35

the success of the school. It's

28:38

crazy. We need those trees. Take

28:40

them outside, take them to the park, be

28:43

a father and do these things that we can do

28:46

for our children. So that comes

28:48

full cycle. Why do we

28:50

stay in the fight? Why do we do what we do? And

28:52

it's love. And as we love

28:54

our God, as we love our country, as

28:56

we love our family, it's time to give

28:59

100%. Dedicate

29:01

your time to your family.

29:04

We've got first responders who put their lives

29:06

on the line for others. Jesus said, greater

29:09

love is no one. Then they

29:11

lay down their life for their friends. So

29:14

what manner of love is this that first responders

29:17

will lay down their life for strangers? I'm

29:20

going to honor what they do. Even

29:22

them, I tell them, folks, you don't need to

29:24

spend family time and sleep time and youth time.

29:27

But listen to that verse again. Greater

29:30

love is no one than this, that

29:32

they lay down their life for their friends. But

29:35

there are many ways to lay down your life.

29:38

There are many ways to lay down your life. And

29:41

your first and foremost friend is

29:43

your spouse. And

29:46

then you're children. Now, they're

29:48

not buddies, but they

29:50

are beloved companions.

29:53

They won't get a point when they will be

29:55

your friends. As children, your job is to mentor

29:58

them, to guide them, to work with them. him

30:00

to play with him, but always hold

30:02

him to a standard. But once they become

30:04

adults, my son comes back from first combat

30:06

tour, you know, and he just retired. I

30:08

got to sell with nine combat tours, three

30:10

bronze stars. He came back

30:12

from his first combat tour, and he

30:15

was truly a friend and

30:17

a companion, a man whose company I

30:19

enjoy. It's true with all of my

30:21

sons, three boys, and praise God, they

30:24

all turn out well, and they're now

30:26

men whose company I deeply enjoy and

30:28

appreciate. Great

30:30

enough is known in this. They let

30:32

it in their life that many ways let it live for

30:35

their friends, and our friends first

30:37

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30:40

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30:42

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31:01

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31:03

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31:05

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31:12

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31:14

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31:16

the Bible tells us even the unbelievers take

31:18

care of their family. If we're not doing

31:21

that, then we failed in our first

31:23

application. And that curse at the end of the

31:25

Old Testament should take us

31:28

toward court. And the first thing

31:30

God holds us accountable for is the

31:32

fathers to the sons and sons of the fathers. I

31:35

have so many questions. That

31:37

was 24 minutes of incredible knowledge

31:42

bombs that some of the

31:44

best I've heard out of 1150 some odd shows

31:47

on this podcast. So thank you for

31:49

that. I was

31:52

taking actually typing meticulous notes as you

31:54

were talking. And a

31:56

couple of things come up for me. Number

31:58

one. I would

32:00

love to ask you a

32:02

few questions about marriage. So I wanna do that. Number

32:05

two, I wanna ask you about spiritual warfare. Number

32:08

three, I also wanna ask

32:10

you about the order that I, because I caught

32:12

it, you know, it's my wife and my kids,

32:14

wife and then my kids, right? Which I think

32:16

is really notable and we need to share that.

32:19

But I would love for you to tell

32:21

us. I'm very familiar

32:24

with spiritual warfare, not so familiar

32:26

with spiritual combat. Can you tell me the

32:28

distinction between, the difference between the two of

32:30

those? We,

32:32

our kids and parents live in a

32:34

digital world today. And while technology has

32:36

its advantages, it's also a

32:39

dark, dangerous landscape where our kids

32:41

can be approached, abused, and even

32:43

lured into being kidnapped. This

32:45

is why for the past five years, I

32:47

have used Bark for my kids and their

32:49

devices. Bark is an app

32:51

made by parents for parents. And

32:54

Bark is an app that identifies key words

32:56

and text messages, social media, internet

32:58

searches, apps, and email. It

33:01

monitors online predatory activity,

33:03

suicidal ideation, adult searches,

33:06

alcohol use, drug use,

33:08

cyberbullying, weapons, and

33:10

so many more. Once

33:12

key words are found in my child's device, I

33:14

get sent an alert to my Bark dashboard where

33:16

I can see everything associated

33:18

with that conversation or internet search.

33:21

Bark has allowed me not only to keep my

33:23

kids safe and out of danger, but also

33:26

have better conversations with my kids

33:28

as they've gotten older. And dangers have,

33:30

quite frankly, become more complex. You

33:33

can also set screen time limits. You

33:35

can monitor content. You can filter websites.

33:37

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33:40

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33:44

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33:46

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33:51

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33:53

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33:56

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33:58

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34:03

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34:05

keep our kids safe. But

34:07

I would love for you to tell

34:09

us I I'm very familiar with

34:11

spiritual warfare. Not so familiar with spiritual combat.

34:14

Can you tell me the distinction between the

34:16

difference between the two of those. All

34:18

right. Well spiritual combat is

34:22

up close and personal. Okay. Warfare

34:25

warfare is is is

34:28

is America

34:30

invading Germany during World War Two.

34:33

Combat is the guys on the beach

34:36

who are who are who are engaged in combat.

34:39

Then you know we were at war but

34:41

people down in the trenches are in combat.

34:43

So so we began the book with

34:45

on spiritual combat and it's

34:48

about equipment issue and our

34:50

mission statement and our responsibility.

34:53

You know we broke down what

34:55

is it what is it God wants of

34:57

us. Now I coined the term of

34:59

the sheepdog as a protector. I actually

35:02

have the US government trademark for

35:04

the term sheepdog as a as

35:06

a a a a a protector.

35:09

And we talked about

35:12

being the sheepdog and being the protector. We have

35:14

a children's book on the sheepdog kids book that

35:16

rocks a little world is really kind of deep

35:18

and I recommend very highly. But

35:20

this idea of on

35:23

spiritual combat what's our mission and

35:26

our mission is Jesus tells us to

35:28

love God with all your heart and

35:31

love others as yourself. He

35:33

said it again later. He said

35:36

a new commandment I give you.

35:38

You know the 10 commandments are maybe to

35:40

a certain degree kind of superseded by

35:43

this new commandment. The

35:45

love others is I have loved you and

35:48

how much Jesus love us he loved us to

35:50

die for us. So our

35:53

first mission is

35:55

to love God and love people. Now

35:57

if we truly love

35:59

and obey gone and

36:01

if we truly love

36:04

people then our next mission

36:06

becomes the Great Commission to

36:09

bring them to the knowledge of salvation. The

36:11

greatest gift we can give them is to bring them to

36:13

the knowledge of salvation, the Great Commission that

36:15

has been laid upon our shoulders. In

36:18

the military soldiers,

36:21

military officers, we talk about

36:25

sergeants being non-commissioned officers

36:28

and from Lieutenant on up you're a

36:30

commissioned officer and the

36:32

commission is a

36:34

mission combined with authority and

36:37

your mission is to support and defend

36:39

the Constitution and your authority

36:41

that commission is signed by

36:44

the President of the United States.

36:47

What higher mission, what higher authority can there

36:49

be in this world than the support and

36:52

defend the Constitution and obey the

36:54

lawful order so it's pointed over you and

36:58

to the authority of

37:00

the President. Our

37:02

Great Commission is

37:05

going to the world and preaching

37:07

and telling people about Jesus Christ and

37:12

the name of the Father and the Son of

37:14

the Holy Spirit. This is our mission. This is

37:16

why we're here. Now the way we

37:19

do that is Galatians 6.9. My

37:22

life first, throw you not weary of doing good and

37:24

the fullness of time to reap your word. We're

37:27

not all missionaries. We're not all, but

37:29

our life should be a call.

37:34

Others would want to have what we have. They want to have the

37:36

life that we have. We should try

37:38

to set a standard. There will be

37:40

in our work and everything we do, we

37:43

should give it to God and give the honor and glory to God.

37:46

So our mission is

37:49

to give the honor and glory to God. And

37:52

then in return, He gives us love

37:54

and joy and peace and a bunch

37:56

of other neat things. We

37:58

give God the honor and glory. If

38:01

we seek the honor and glory

38:03

for ourselves, then it's

38:05

hollow and you'll never have enough. Whatever

38:08

it is, you're beautiful, you'll grow old and ugly,

38:10

and then where are you? You're

38:12

a great athlete, he'll grow old, and then

38:14

where are you? The

38:16

only person who loves you for who you are and

38:19

will love you throughout your life cycle is

38:21

God from day of birth until

38:23

the day of death. Now the other critical person

38:25

in that equation is your spouse.

38:30

Your job will go, your children will leave,

38:32

your spouse will still be there, and

38:35

dedicating time and effort and

38:37

energy and patience and kindness.

38:40

We talk about praying for more faith

38:43

and praying for more love. When

38:46

I'm troubled, my wife has

38:48

asked me to do something or something's happened

38:50

that has me troubled. My first prayer is

38:52

God, give me more faith and

38:54

give me more love. God wants

38:57

us to come to Him

38:59

for our every need. The

39:01

man came to Jesus asking to heal his son. Jesus

39:04

said, if he had enough faith, all things are possible.

39:06

He said, Lord, I believe, help my

39:08

unbelief. He was saved.

39:11

Just ask God, I believe, help my unbelief.

39:14

Belief is a choice. I

39:16

tell people, you've got this idea

39:19

there might be a loving God, and

39:21

it might be a true, but that's

39:23

the little seed of faith. Plant

39:26

that seed of faith and ask for more faith. I

39:29

wish there was a loving God. I wish that's the way it

39:31

did work. That is your little

39:33

seed of faith. Plant that little

39:35

seed of faith and ask for more faith and ask for more

39:37

love. God is love.

39:39

All love flows from that. The

39:43

thing He wants us to ask for is

39:45

more love and more faith. Then

39:48

we turn around and we take the gifts we've

39:50

been given to give honor and glory to God.

39:53

Here's one of the keys, prayer

39:56

and studying God's Word is

39:59

essential. But God

40:02

tells us, wherever two or three are gathered in my

40:04

name, they're a mind of midst. So

40:07

if there's more than one person in prayer,

40:10

it kind of has extra mojo. And

40:13

your spouse should be your prayer buddy. My

40:15

wife and I, now I'm gone more than I'm home,

40:18

but on the phone every night, or in

40:21

person every night, we hold each

40:23

other's hands and we pray for each other. And

40:26

we hold our family up in prayer, and we hold our

40:28

endeavors up in prayer, and we hold everything that's dear to

40:30

us up in prayer. And I've

40:32

got things that global, I've got this kind of global

40:34

prayer, and my wife just homes in on the few

40:37

things that are truly on her heart. But

40:40

your wife should be your prayer buddy. And

40:42

every night you should hold hands and lift up

40:45

your families and everything dear to you in prayer.

40:47

And we end our prayer, and we pray for

40:49

our loved ones and pray that God will bring

40:51

them for the knowledge of salvation. And

40:53

we pray that God will give us more

40:55

love and more faith for him

40:58

and for each other. And

41:01

so that's that kind of dynamic of

41:03

spiritual combat in your

41:05

individual life. The

41:07

thing about spiritual warfare is

41:11

in World War II, everybody's in the

41:13

fight. The kids bought,

41:16

they did scrap drives and they

41:18

did rationing, and the

41:21

guy in the field was in the fight, and everybody's

41:23

in the fight, but only a small

41:25

proportion were really in the front lines. And

41:28

we won that war in large part by killing

41:30

the enemy. In spiritual

41:32

warfare, your

41:34

child is in the front lines, every

41:37

bit as much as you were. An

41:39

act of kindness, an act of beauty from a

41:41

child could be every bit as important

41:44

as any act you will ever do. And

41:47

when we talk about spiritual warfare, we

41:49

win by saving people. And

41:53

that's our great mission. And when

41:55

we talk about that on spiritual warfare, is

41:57

to wrap your mind around it really did

41:59

happen. Jesus really

42:02

was murdered, crucified on

42:04

the cross. He really did go on

42:06

the tomb. And after he

42:08

was dead, dead, dead, he

42:10

appeared to the disciples. Doubting promise really

42:13

did reach out and touch the wounded

42:15

inside. How do we know that? Not

42:17

just four literate accounts of what

42:19

happened. 11 of the 12 disciples

42:23

died for their faith.

42:25

Men don't die for a lie. And then

42:28

this is solid Roman history. Their disciples died

42:30

for their faith. And that's solid Roman history

42:33

because they watched Jesus' disciples

42:35

die for their faith. And the Romans

42:37

were mind-boggled

42:40

by this faith. They've

42:42

always had faith, but all you had to do

42:44

is say, alright, you know, I made it up.

42:46

I accept your faith. Good to go. And the

42:48

idea that these people and their faith, you know,

42:51

we've got eternal salvation. You don't lose your faith.

42:53

I said, ah, it was a big con. You know, I

42:55

don't want to get burned to death, so I'm going to

42:57

say what you want me to say. No big deal. And

42:59

you still have your salvation. But they

43:02

were so convinced that the

43:04

grave had no power, that death

43:06

has no sting, that they were

43:09

willing to go to their grave, a

43:11

horrible, murderous torture of death in

43:13

order to tell the world that, hey, death

43:16

has no sting, the grave has no power.

43:19

And we know, we know, know, know, know it

43:22

because our Savior came back from the grave to

43:24

us. And then,

43:26

you know, the Eastern Roman Empire,

43:28

the Byzantium Empire, lasted for a

43:30

thousand years. What various empires

43:32

in history, and they embraced this

43:35

Christian religion, and they embraced this faith. To

43:37

this very day, this is

43:39

the largest religion on the planet with

43:42

over 2.56 billion believers. Now, we

43:45

worry about these guys and these guys and how they really

43:47

say, but, and

43:50

his word is in every hotel room and

43:52

his temple is in every land. Why tell

43:54

people, if you found God under a rock,

43:57

and you and a bunch of other people only want to know about

43:59

him, then you're God. is not much of a God. My

44:02

God would have prophesied His plan for

44:04

the earliest days. My God would

44:06

have appeared and performed miracles. My

44:08

God would have had four parallel

44:11

literate accounts. My God would be

44:13

manifested in the deaths of His

44:15

believers and the deaths of their

44:17

witnesses and their disciples. And

44:19

to this very day, this very day,

44:22

hundreds of thousands of Christians die every

44:24

year for their faith around

44:27

the world and people don't even realize that battle

44:29

is going on. So that's the

44:31

big picture. Just get in there and fight

44:33

the good fight. Get your

44:35

appointment issued. The appointment issued. The

44:37

belt of truth. You know, the

44:40

sandals of the readiness

44:42

of the gospel of peace. One of

44:44

the first things God has this desire

44:46

to pass on the good news. The

44:48

breastplate of righteousness. Whose righteousness? Not yours.

44:50

Jesus. The shield of faith as a

44:52

helmet of salvation. You

44:55

know, why the helmet? Construction

44:57

workers and military today, they

44:59

don't wear body armor much. They don't, you

45:01

know, because nobody, but they wear the helmet.

45:03

Well, look, you can help them lose my arm.

45:05

I can lose my leg. I'm still me. I

45:08

lose my head. I'm not me anymore.

45:10

Yeah. And the helmet of salvation. The

45:13

world can tear up this body and

45:16

it doesn't matter because you curl up inside the helmet

45:18

of salvation. I know it's really important

45:20

we'll be there for eternity. If

45:22

you really wrap your mind around the

45:24

reality, the unthinkable immensity of eternity in

45:27

the end, we're all going to die. But

45:30

God said we should bring everything God in prayer.

45:33

But sooner or later, you're going to die. No

45:35

matter how hard you pray, we're all going to

45:37

die. Every nation falls over my dead body. Everybody

45:40

dies. Every nation falls. Our

45:43

son will die. But

45:45

eternity continues. Keep

45:49

your eye on the big picture. Keep your eye on

45:51

the pot. Infinitely more

45:53

important than preserving our

45:55

nation, which is of enormous importance. Is

45:58

bringing people to the knowledge of salvation. the

46:00

eternity in heaven. And

46:02

it's by doing that that we bless our nation. It's

46:05

by keeping ourselves in that focus we bless

46:07

our nation. So we take up the

46:09

full armor of God and the final tool, the final

46:11

piece of equipment. It's

46:13

not this sort of,

46:15

it is prayer. The

46:18

last commandment in Ephesians chapter 6 is

46:20

to pray season in the world and

46:23

prayer is our radio to

46:25

our higher command. Look, I'm an

46:27

infantry soldier. What can I carry around with me?

46:29

You know, all I got is what I carry

46:31

on my back and that email. But

46:33

on the radio I can call for an

46:36

airstrike. I can call for artillery. I can

46:38

call for resupply. I can maneuver other elements.

46:41

If my higher power deems it appropriate,

46:43

I can call that a nuke and duck real

46:45

hard. The enemy disappears in a

46:48

mushroom cloud. So prayer is

46:50

our radio and the most important

46:52

instrument on the battlefield is

46:54

the radio communication. It's our final commandment. It's

46:57

a free season in the world and

47:00

in the spirit. And

47:02

so that's on spiritual

47:04

combat lays that foundation equipment issue and what

47:07

our mission statement is and what our prayer

47:09

drills are, how we should be praying and

47:11

then we roll in on spiritual warfare. It

47:14

really takes it a much broader

47:16

perspective. We take Erasmus and Luther.

47:20

Erasmus wrote this amazing 22 principles,

47:23

22 orders if you will,

47:26

to be virtuous in a violent world. And

47:29

it was written 500 years ago and

47:31

Martin Luther wrote 22

47:34

warnings that tied in with each of

47:36

those orders. So

47:38

you combine an order with a warning. You have a

47:41

warning order. It's a military term of warning

47:43

order. What we have is 22 warning

47:45

orders, 22 warning orders for

47:49

virtuous warriors and these

47:52

are warning orders. And

47:54

you know with the first book on spiritual

47:56

combat we had missions and

47:58

people said you know it, you know,

48:00

with 30 missions for a victorious warfare. People

48:03

told me, you know, I can leave a chapter but

48:05

I couldn't leave a mission. You know, once I started

48:07

a mission, I had gone through, well, then we'd take

48:09

the next step and go to warning orders and

48:12

take this 500-year-old wisdom of

48:14

Erasmus and Luther and let them guide

48:17

us in our spiritual warfare. And so

48:19

that's, you know, they blend

48:21

in to each other. Combats with the

48:23

individual encounters warfare is at the national

48:25

level but they blend into each other's

48:27

areas. And these two books are

48:30

taking it from individual combat to the big

48:32

picture of warfare. Man,

48:36

I love it. I absolutely love it. Thank you so much

48:38

for breaking that down

48:40

for us. That's probably, you know, I'm

48:42

a part of a weekly Bible study myself. It's

48:44

called Legacy Builders. I'm a part of a specific

48:48

Bible study called Operation Paul. It's

48:50

got. Yeah, it's been a game

48:53

changer. So I love that. And actually,

48:55

as you and I are recording this right now, we're going

48:57

through a four-week study on spiritual warfare.

49:00

So what you just did for me personally was

49:02

awesome. And thank you for sharing it with the

49:04

audience. I do want to get

49:06

back to this generational assassination, your book

49:08

on that. And I've

49:11

said this many, many times on

49:13

the podcast. Yeah, if you wouldn't mind holding it up, just

49:15

so the people on our YouTube channel. So

49:18

video. You know, I was I was invited to

49:20

the White House as part of President Trump's roundtable on

49:22

violent video games. A very precious,

49:24

impressive man and person, President Trump. I had a chance

49:26

to put one book in the prison saying this

49:29

is a book, invited back to the White House, the

49:31

brief Vice President Pence, another gracious, impressive man had

49:33

a chance to put one book in the Vice

49:35

President's hand. This is the book, Assassination Generation. We

49:38

can talk about that. Please. I would love to.

49:41

So that book, along with

49:43

all your other books, really have my attention with this book.

49:45

So Generation assassination, it's about

49:48

aggression, it's about video games, it's about

49:50

all these things that really have the

49:52

the attention of our of our young

49:54

people. Right. Now, the thing that I've

49:56

been saying on the podcast for quite some time, and here

49:58

I am, I'm

50:00

a student of it myself, so I'm learning, but I'm trying

50:03

vigorously, ferociously to get in front of as

50:05

much information as I can, so I really

50:07

understand it. So let's

50:10

talk about the video game thing. Let's talk about the

50:12

digital world that our kids live in. And here's what

50:15

I've been saying for the past few years. So

50:18

the generation of fathers right

50:20

now, right? So me

50:22

and our generation of this next

50:24

generation that we're raising, it's

50:27

terrifying to me. It's

50:30

terrifying to me because this

50:32

is what I think is gonna happen. I

50:34

remember when probably you were younger, right? And

50:37

you probably remember the magazines on

50:40

the magazine rack, on Time magazine. Hey, smoke

50:42

marble red, your doctor does. Right,

50:44

and then all these things promoting tobacco. And

50:47

I'm comparing it to that because that was

50:49

the generation when cigarettes came out and that

50:51

kind of thing and we

50:53

didn't understand how horribly detrimental it was

50:56

to our health until we really started to study

50:58

the impact, right? Well, here we

51:01

are now in this evolution of this generation. And

51:03

I think what we are experiencing is absolutely

51:07

something we're incredibly

51:09

unprepared for as parents. We have

51:11

no idea the drastic

51:15

implications that

51:17

are happening with our young people right now. So

51:20

cell phones, video games, all these things. I

51:22

grew up on Atari, right? Asteroid,

51:24

you blow up the rocks, right? And

51:27

now you're seeing all these different crazy

51:29

video games. And I

51:31

agree, I've had video game experts come on the

51:33

podcast. They design these video games with no end

51:35

in mind because they want you in flow state

51:37

for hours upon hours. You only have so much

51:39

attention for blowing up rocks or space invaders and

51:41

then you're just like, ah, I'm kind of done,

51:43

I'm gonna go outside and play. This

51:45

one is very different. You got Fortnite,

51:48

you've got all the other, Black Ops

51:50

and Contra, I don't even know all of them,

51:52

but there's tons of them. But

51:55

here's the thing, cell

51:57

phones, iPads, screens.

52:00

tablets, video games, Netflix,

52:03

literally whatever you want to see at your

52:07

fingertips as a young kid, if the

52:09

parents allow it, is

52:12

terrifying. Like they can

52:14

see anything they want. They can

52:16

talk to, here's the other thing too, they can

52:18

talk to on the, if it's allowed, they can

52:20

talk to anybody they want online. You

52:23

know, whatever

52:25

pathology they have, they

52:27

can find some echo chamber of

52:30

people who share that same pathology. You

52:32

know, I'll give you an angle

52:34

on this now. My dad started smoking in 1941 when he was five

52:36

years old. He

52:45

couldn't even look over the counter in the local general

52:47

store. He plunked a nickel on top of the counter,

52:50

bought a pack of bull-derm tobacco and rolling

52:52

paper, started smoking five years old. Hey,

52:55

candy rots your teeth, right? We all know that. Cigarettes

52:57

are good for you. They believe that. Cigarettes are good

52:59

for you. Now here's a viceroy. Oh

53:02

my gosh, look at that. As your

53:04

dentist, I recommend viceroys.

53:07

And here's another ad. Here's a camel ad.

53:09

It says, more dentists smoke camels. And then

53:11

you have the cigarette. No, more doctors smoke

53:13

camels. Wait a minute, doctors smoke camels. Dentists

53:16

say, viceroys, which ones are best? They're poison, they're

53:18

all poison. Don't do it. But

53:20

they fought, decade after decade,

53:22

and they fought dirty for

53:25

one long group to keep

53:27

selling their product to

53:29

children. And they knew they were doing

53:31

harm, and they didn't care. You know,

53:34

C.S. Lewis says that evil is not

53:36

in some concentration camp. Evil

53:38

is in some boardroom with

53:40

people in suits and manicured fingers

53:42

making evil decisions that are

53:45

moved and seconded. He says evil

53:47

happens in the boardrooms in these

53:49

video game industries. So my book

53:51

is assassination generation, right? In

53:53

2005, the state of

53:55

California overwhelmingly voted to

53:58

regulate children's sex. access to violent

54:00

video games. The brain scan

54:03

data was overwhelming. Here's your kid's brain, here's your

54:05

kid's brain on video games. And

54:07

the state of California, and Hollywood said, yeah,

54:09

we're good at this. Silicon

54:11

Valley said, yeah, we're good at this.

54:13

Arnold Swart, he was governor, Arnold Swart

54:16

signed the law. And the

54:18

video game industry fought all the way

54:20

to the Supreme Court. They

54:22

said, we have a constitutional First Amendment

54:25

right to sell any game to any

54:27

child at any age. You cannot stop

54:29

us, you cannot regulate us any way,

54:31

shape, or form. And they called seven

54:34

old men. Seven Supreme Court

54:36

justices never played pong in their life,

54:39

overturned the California law. But

54:41

the two dissenting opinions are

54:43

dynamite. Now, how many of

54:45

your listeners even knew that California

54:48

passed the law? They shoved it down the

54:50

memory hole. How many even knew that the

54:52

data was overwhelming? As of 2005, how many

54:54

knew? They fought

54:56

to the Supreme Court. How many knew what

54:58

the dissenting opinions were? It's all in this

55:00

book. And I talk about

55:02

juveniles committing mass murders in the schools. A

55:05

juvenile committing multiple homicide in the school

55:07

that's unheard of in human history. One

55:10

line the vice president honed in on 5,000 years recorded

55:13

history, 500 years of gunpowder

55:15

combat, 150 years repeating firearms. And

55:18

never once in human history has

55:21

a juvenile walked in the school and committed a

55:23

multiple homicide. And now they're everywhere.

55:25

And I mean everywhere. Around the planet,

55:27

the big lie in the media is

55:29

it's only happened in America. They censor

55:32

all the reports on these school massacres

55:34

committed around the planet. One

55:36

area of Russia, Russia

55:39

recently had a mass murder. My stuff is

55:41

translated in eight languages. People around the planet

55:43

send me news clippings and emails. So

55:46

there was just a school massacre in Russia.

55:49

And at the bottom of the article, I said

55:51

this is the fourth school shooting. I hate that

55:53

word shooting. Shooting is what happens on the range.

55:55

It's a massacre. It's the fourth

55:57

school massacre in a Russian school.

56:00

in that part of Russia alone in

56:02

the last year. Russia's

56:04

got four school massacres in one little part of

56:06

the nation in one year, and we

56:08

don't even know it. And we've seen

56:11

school bus massacres and daycare massacres. What's coming

56:13

down the road? The media turns these killers

56:15

into celebrities. What's coming down

56:17

the road? What's the next evil act? Another

56:19

elementary school massacre has been done? Daycare

56:22

massacre. I pray that I'm wrong. School bus massacres.

56:24

When you hear about that school bus massacre,

56:27

hear about that daycare massacre. The Lord, please know.

56:30

When you hear about it, don't say, God, why did you allow

56:32

this to happen? Why did we allow this

56:34

to happen? Because we created

56:36

this environment in which we turn people into

56:38

celebrities by committing these evil, evil acts. So

56:41

I'll give you an angle on this. This whole business of the

56:43

media not just training the killers,

56:45

inspiring and empowering the killers, but

56:47

then turning the killers into celebrities. New

56:50

Zealand had a mosque massacre. It's

56:55

got livestreamed itself. It looks like it's right

56:57

out of a video. A video game. He

56:59

livestreamed himself in two different mosques committing

57:02

this massacre. The

57:04

Prime Minister of New Zealand said, this

57:06

man did what he did for notoriety,

57:09

for fame. And she said, we

57:11

will not give it to him. She

57:13

said, New Zealand will never say

57:16

this man's name. New

57:18

Zealand will never show his

57:20

face. New Zealand will

57:22

not even give

57:24

him his name. Boom.

57:28

Somebody gets it. Make him nothing.

57:30

Okay, maybe the first week, tell

57:32

us the name, show us the picture, and then boom. Make

57:34

him nothing. Make him nobody. I was a

57:36

West Point Psych professor. We taught a

57:38

section on this. In

57:40

the 70s, we had what

57:43

we called cluster suicides. Some

57:45

kid in high school who commits suicide, the

57:47

local media reported, and there's much more suicides.

57:50

And we realized kids will commit suicide to get

57:53

in the media. And

57:55

we found out you must not, must

57:57

not have a memorial.

58:00

service for a suicide

58:02

victim in the school or you will have

58:04

more suicides. I don't know how to get a more suicide.

58:06

For me, I'll tell myself and then they

58:08

will do that. They will kill themselves to be in the

58:10

news. We know that.

58:12

And then the media did the most cowardly

58:14

thing journalists have ever done. They

58:17

said, okay, we'll stop reporting

58:19

juvenile suicides, but we won't

58:21

say that we're doing it and we won't admit

58:23

that we're doing harm. What kind of journalism is

58:25

that? So today, we've

58:28

got the same thing going on when

58:30

they turn these killers into celebrities and

58:32

they refuse to accept responsibility. Copycat

58:34

crimes are happening all around us. They

58:37

refuse to accept the least bit of

58:39

restraint and the least bit of responsibility

58:41

that has the entire media, video games,

58:43

the news. They're

58:45

just overtaken at the national level with

58:47

evil. And there they are

58:50

in the boardrooms making these decisions. When they could

58:52

say, we won't turn these killers into celebrities. When

58:54

the daycare massacre happens, say

58:57

the media set up an environment where you

58:59

have to do this next most evil act

59:02

to be in the news. When the

59:04

school bus massacre happened to tell the media, create

59:06

this environment, all you had to do was dream

59:08

up the next most horrible evil act and

59:10

then you too will be famous. Come in

59:13

another middle school, elementary

59:16

school massacre, come on, it's been done three times.

59:19

Find something new to do and boom, you'll

59:21

be famous and the media will reinforce that

59:23

behavior. And that's the evil that we're in the

59:25

midst of right now. And we've got

59:27

to fight back against this evil culture and what's the opposite

59:29

of evil? Is love. Love,

59:32

yeah. Is love our family. Can

59:35

I ask you a tactical question around this? Yeah.

59:40

Yeah, so the tactical question is

59:42

this and I'll share with you

59:45

what we do in our family. And

59:48

the interesting thing is this. So we

59:51

love our kids very much. We have four boys,

59:53

right? We have four

59:55

boys and I'm

59:58

objective. They're good

1:00:00

boys. They're good young men. They've got a good head

1:00:02

on their shoulder, but Jessica and

1:00:04

I We keep

1:00:06

them we keep things pretty tight Especially as it relates

1:00:08

to like I have one son who's gonna be 18

1:00:11

in two months He's got a

1:00:13

cell phone and he's got a screen time

1:00:15

on that cell phone So you

1:00:18

get 60 minutes of? use

1:00:20

of apps outside

1:00:23

of text messaging so like

1:00:26

YouTube or tik-tok and that

1:00:28

kind of thing and I've also we also we've

1:00:31

partnered with a company called bark It's

1:00:33

a software you put on the kids phones

1:00:35

that it's basically it searches for keywords Bullying

1:00:38

so I'm thinking about the the daughter who

1:00:41

commits suicide The parents would have

1:00:43

known all day long that she was being

1:00:45

bullied if they she had some kind of software on her phone

1:00:47

So there's there's that software right? So I know

1:00:50

what my kids what they're viewing what

1:00:52

they're watching and then after 60 minutes

1:00:55

Shuts down the only thing they can do on that

1:00:57

phone is make a phone call or a text message.

1:00:59

That's it. So My

1:01:01

kids my boys have pushed back on that and

1:01:04

my response has been very black and white You're

1:01:07

like dad like why why are

1:01:09

we only allowed like one hour of screen time? Like

1:01:11

aren't like so-and-so can be up to eight hours. I'm

1:01:14

like you wanna know why they yeah I'd be like

1:01:16

you really want to know because I love

1:01:18

you Thank you It's

1:01:20

because I care about you and your well-being

1:01:24

Every minute you spend on this phone is

1:01:26

another minute. You're not moving the needle maybe

1:01:28

somewhere else in your life So

1:01:30

like, you know like I just

1:01:32

allowed just allowed this is hot

1:01:34

off the press last month It was

1:01:36

for good reason for my oldest son

1:01:39

not even my 16 year old yet to have snapchat

1:01:42

The reason for that is because he's a

1:01:44

part of a business leadership program entrepreneur program

1:01:46

they had to be apply for to be

1:01:49

accepted in and He

1:01:51

goes he goes to school half the day and

1:01:53

then the other half the day He's at this he's

1:01:55

at this thing and there's only 130 kids

1:01:57

in our entire County that are in this thing Now

1:02:00

how they now hit he's in a small group

1:02:02

of five and they work on pride

1:02:04

every month There's a new project a new business

1:02:06

a new thing that they're learning, but that's how

1:02:08

they communicate Well, I told him

1:02:10

I was like, okay, I'll tell you what I'll

1:02:13

allow you to have snapchat But

1:02:16

here are the terms of our agreement and I told

1:02:18

him I was like and I want you To

1:02:21

be the first one to take a shot at the terms

1:02:24

of our agreement Now he's like, what

1:02:26

does that mean? I was like I want you to come up

1:02:28

a lit come up with a list of things you're held accountable

1:02:30

to do and Then you're

1:02:32

allowed to have snapchat based on those things

1:02:34

and every five every Sunday at 5 p.m

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We have an accountability check-in on

1:02:38

these things One of them is you have to have

1:02:41

a C or greater in every

1:02:43

class So he's good there You

1:02:45

have to visit be physically active in

1:02:47

the gym or on a sporting

1:02:50

team at least three times a week

1:02:52

He's a wrestler. So he's doing that now and if

1:02:54

he's not he's in the gym You

1:02:56

have to keep your room clean your laundry

1:02:58

clean and folded, right? You have to have

1:03:00

all your assignments completed any of these and

1:03:03

there's a few other things in there, too

1:03:05

You have to do your normal what we

1:03:07

call maintenance. There's chores and then there's maintenance

1:03:09

You're part of this family you take your turn doing

1:03:11

the dishes You have to clean up you have to help

1:03:14

cook you have to do all these things and they're

1:03:16

very very specific and I was like

1:03:18

we're doing these things and we come to this agreement and

1:03:20

you can have it and He's like why

1:03:22

do we got to do that? I was like, well think of it this way If

1:03:25

I if we say yes me and you say

1:03:28

yes to another app on your phone another thing

1:03:30

on your phone that takes your attention From

1:03:32

things you need to get done and into that

1:03:35

phone We're actually creating another

1:03:37

way for you to get lost in this phone

1:03:40

I was like so we can do

1:03:42

that as long as we agree upon the

1:03:44

balance and the other things do not take

1:03:46

a backseat And they're not sacrificed My

1:03:50

kids are home from school that was the roar you heard We

1:03:54

had a nice storm here. So, um, anyway

1:03:57

The video game thing too. Here's the other thing, too The

1:04:00

video game thing too. I

1:04:02

see this all over the place with

1:04:05

my kids friends in particular. Playing

1:04:07

Call of Duty for like seven hours at a time

1:04:09

where heads are getting blown off and things are exploding

1:04:11

and that kind of thing. And

1:04:13

Fortnite is another one, all these

1:04:16

things. And I keep wondering

1:04:19

what type of generation are

1:04:23

we raising here? Like I think about like these

1:04:25

kids when they're,

1:04:27

like I'll give you an example of like digital, right?

1:04:30

And then I'll be quiet, I'd love for you to tell

1:04:32

us tactically what we can do better. So

1:04:35

my oldest son, he drives. I

1:04:37

got in his car, I'm like hey man, you're 150

1:04:39

miles over, you're due for an oil change. And

1:04:45

he's like okay, what do I do? And I was like call

1:04:47

Dobbs and make an appointment. He's like

1:04:50

okay, he's like well when I call, what do I say? And I just looked

1:04:52

at him and I'm like, what

1:04:54

do you mean, what do you say? You call and

1:04:56

say I need an oil change, when can I come

1:04:59

in and bring my car? But here's the interesting thing,

1:05:01

as much as that's common sense for me, because

1:05:03

you and I were raised in a generation

1:05:05

where we had to pick up the

1:05:08

phone and have a conversation with someone

1:05:10

that wasn't digital. But these

1:05:12

kids are raised, everything is digital. In fact, it's

1:05:14

almost awkward for a lot of kids these days

1:05:16

to even carry a physical

1:05:18

conversation with somebody. They

1:05:20

have to actually be trained to do so. And I was

1:05:23

reminded, I was like you know what? I

1:05:25

was like it really isn't the norm in your

1:05:27

generation. People will go online and click a button

1:05:29

to make an appointment. Having a conversation does seem

1:05:32

odd. And I was like you know what? This

1:05:35

is really, this is tapping me

1:05:37

to make sure I'm teaching you good life lessons.

1:05:40

So here's what you do, and I had to

1:05:42

teach him. So it's

1:05:44

just fascinating, the behaviors,

1:05:47

the technology that we have, it's a

1:05:49

good thing because we're connected, but it's

1:05:52

terrible, terrible at the same time. But

1:05:54

what advice do you have for us

1:05:56

as parents? As a resource, yeah, I

1:05:58

have found. a

1:06:01

website. They take a

1:06:03

medical addiction model. They're

1:06:05

awesome and it's

1:06:08

screenstrong.com. S-C-R-E-E-N S-T-R-O-N-G

1:06:12

screenstrong.com and

1:06:14

they've got they've got groups, they've

1:06:17

got detox whole families that detox

1:06:19

for a week. They've got they've

1:06:21

got they use my book as

1:06:24

part of their curriculum just one small part of

1:06:26

their curriculum is my book and

1:06:29

they've got they've got the most

1:06:31

awesome powerful effective online model. So

1:06:34

many of the models are about

1:06:36

well we have to learn to

1:06:38

interact with our children and embrace

1:06:40

what they're doing and we need to be on there

1:06:43

you know understanding they're we don't necessarily have to

1:06:45

do that we need to do what you're doing

1:06:47

and screenstrong.com

1:06:50

is empowering people

1:06:53

on a fast scale and

1:06:55

I recommend it with all my heart. The lady

1:06:57

that put it together is Melanie Himp H-E-M-P-E

1:07:01

and she would be great on the

1:07:04

show. Her son just

1:07:07

flunk out of college because of video games and

1:07:09

then joined the military and not having just we

1:07:11

see this all the time you know people are

1:07:14

playing you know mommy and daddy keep a lid

1:07:16

on them then they go to

1:07:18

college and the lids off and they get totally

1:07:20

lost in these video games and and

1:07:23

Ebola got a college like the first of

1:07:25

the first semester and he joined the army

1:07:27

went through Iraq had a couple of combat

1:07:29

towards great kid came back and he and

1:07:32

his mom were working together the whole screenstrong.com

1:07:34

dynamic and I think they

1:07:36

are the nation's leaders they're not about

1:07:39

about finding a way to work it in

1:07:41

there they're about finding a way to do

1:07:43

what you're doing to fight it in a

1:07:45

rational cognitive way based on

1:07:47

great science and this medical

1:07:49

addiction model screenstrong.com they just

1:07:52

it's all there everything you want everything you're talking

1:07:54

about a much much more is available

1:07:56

there and with all my heart and soul I recommend people

1:07:58

to go to there and there's What was your

1:08:00

tactics? We've got tactics in assassination generation.

1:08:03

First one is make sure your

1:08:05

kid gets enough sleep. The greatest blessing you've given

1:08:07

your kid is enough sleep. And

1:08:09

quality sleep, sleep in the dark.

1:08:13

And the things we did with our kids,

1:08:16

we live and learn. The number one killer of my kids, they

1:08:19

were teenagers, so it's traffic deaths. Short

1:08:21

of mine, that was suicide. And

1:08:23

we said, made them go to bed on

1:08:25

time, but Friday night, Saturday night, stay up

1:08:27

with their friends, play video games all night

1:08:30

long. Then they drive, here they are, they've

1:08:32

been up for over 24 hours and they

1:08:34

drive for breakfast. The stupidest thing I could

1:08:36

possibly do. And then they go

1:08:38

to sleep in a room with the sunlight coming

1:08:40

in, getting bad, bad quality sleep and off-cycle and

1:08:42

so on and so forth. So we

1:08:44

live and learn, we do a better job with the grandkids and

1:08:47

soon I'll have great grandkids and Lord willing be able to take

1:08:49

it the next step. But in

1:08:52

the end, we all need that dad edge. And

1:08:54

the children who don't have that dad in their

1:08:57

life we can, God

1:08:59

will fill that gap and

1:09:02

God is our heavenly father and he is

1:09:04

our ultimate dad. But one

1:09:06

kind of final point that we put in the

1:09:08

book on spiritual warfare, I

1:09:11

introduced the concept of being the sheepdog and

1:09:14

people can embrace that. We love

1:09:16

dogs, we like that idea. And

1:09:19

I know when we get to heaven, God

1:09:23

will embrace us as beloved children

1:09:26

and we will understand things that we couldn't even begin

1:09:28

to comprehend right now. But

1:09:30

right now it's all I can think of to

1:09:33

be God's faithful dog. I

1:09:35

just wanna be God's dog. And

1:09:38

I got a chocolate lab, she's a sweet

1:09:40

old dog. I let her off the leash

1:09:42

and she's in the neighbor's house and the

1:09:44

neighbor's yard, she rolls in something stinky and

1:09:46

I still love her. God

1:09:48

sees every stupid thing we do and

1:09:51

he still loves us. But here's the

1:09:53

thing. Will

1:09:55

Rogers said one time, you get to think you're a

1:09:57

man of some importance. Try to...

1:10:00

tell another man's dog what to do. Now

1:10:02

if you ever do that, the dog will look at

1:10:04

you, and here's what the dog would say. They figure it

1:10:06

out. Now, I don't know much.

1:10:09

I'm just a dog. I know this, I'm

1:10:11

not your dog. And when the evil

1:10:14

one comes to you and yours, and lurks

1:10:16

in the eye and tell him, I'm not your dog. Now

1:10:19

one day the sheepdog will rest at the feet of the

1:10:21

great shepherd. Well, you're gonna hear those

1:10:23

words. Well done, their good and faithful

1:10:25

service. Man,

1:10:28

this has been so good,

1:10:30

Lieutenant Grossman. Thank

1:10:33

you so much for coming on today. This

1:10:36

was an unbelievable

1:10:40

pleasure for not only our

1:10:42

audience, but can I just

1:10:44

say for me personally, I could talk to

1:10:46

you all day. I talk to you

1:10:48

every day. Can we start actually every day, every morning

1:10:50

just me and you chatting? That'd be great. Well,

1:10:53

you know, you're working out of the office. We start every day

1:10:55

in prayer. My wife and my two

1:10:58

employees and I, and we just gather together and we hold

1:11:00

our day up in prayer. And

1:11:02

I would love to do that, brother. And

1:11:05

at the end, it's a far greater one than

1:11:07

me is there for us all. It's

1:11:09

God. And he loves

1:11:11

us with a love that's infinity and beyond, and

1:11:13

if we can comprehend it, praise his name. Thank

1:11:15

you so much, man. Thank you. I

1:11:18

wanna make sure that the men can find you and

1:11:21

all your books. Thank you. Where's

1:11:25

the best place for guys to

1:11:28

go? grossmanontruth.com. Grossman on Truth. The

1:11:30

Truth on Killing, The Truth on

1:11:32

Combat, The Truth on Spiritual Warfare,

1:11:34

grossmanontruth.com. You

1:11:37

know, when Cancel Culture came at us,

1:11:39

we just rebranded and sidestepped. And it's

1:11:42

business judo. You

1:11:44

don't get them head to head. You just sidestep and rebrand

1:11:46

and move on. But we've

1:11:48

really had great success with

1:11:51

it, grossmanontruth.com. Our

1:11:53

books are there and other resources. Thank you

1:11:55

for asking. Yeah, of course.

1:11:57

Gentlemen, not to worry. We're gonna have all the links in

1:11:59

the show notes for. you. We're going

1:12:01

to have links for spiritual combat,

1:12:03

spiritual warfare on hunting, generational assassination,

1:12:05

bulletproof marriage, all the books and

1:12:07

that's just mentioning a few that

1:12:10

Lieutenant Grossman has. We're going to

1:12:12

have his website in the link

1:12:14

as well. In the show notes, we're

1:12:17

also going to have a link for our sponsor, Bark,

1:12:19

which we talked about that today. If you want to

1:12:21

keep your kids protected online, go check out Bark. Also

1:12:23

going to have a link in there too, if you

1:12:25

want to go check out screenstrong.com.

1:12:27

I'm personally going

1:12:30

to go check that out myself. I cannot wait to do

1:12:32

some due diligence on that. You

1:12:34

guys can head on

1:12:36

over to thedatedge.com/462 for

1:12:38

this podcast. Again, thedatedge.com/462.

1:12:40

Lieutenant Grossman, from my

1:12:42

heart to yours, thank

1:12:44

you so much for coming on today. This

1:12:47

was awesome. Praise God. Thank

1:12:49

you. God bless you.