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about what America's plan is to

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stop these mass shootings. Ronnie Chang is

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celebrating Asian American and AFIC

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Island a month and our guest tonight is former

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adviser to President Donald Trump, Kelly

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Anne Conway. Yeah, so that's gonna be interesting.

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So let's do this people, Let's jump straight

1:09

into today's big headlines. But

1:19

there's no denying that there is a lot going on in the

1:21

world right now. For instance, Russia

1:23

is still invading Ukraine and in response,

1:26

the European Union has just announced that they

1:28

will be banning almost all Russian

1:31

oil imports, which is, if successful,

1:34

is basically going to turn Russia's currency into the TikTok

1:36

crying filter all the time. And

1:39

if there wasn't enough for Europe to be dealing with, there's

1:41

also a growing outbreak of monkey poks,

1:44

yes, disease that's killing off everyone's

1:46

n f t s. So please everyone

1:50

vaccinate your monkey remember. And

1:54

by the way, they're actually saying that it's being spread mostly

1:56

through sex. Yeah, so

1:59

at least now when you show up to the doctor with monkey

2:01

parks, your doctor can be like mom man.

2:07

Oh. And on top of all of that, someone threw

2:09

a cake at the Mona Lisa, Yes,

2:12

which apparently was to protest

2:14

climate change. It

2:18

sounded weird, but apparently most people don't

2:20

know this about the Mona Lisa. But if you widen out

2:22

on that picture of her, she's actually driving a hummer.

2:24

Not cool. That's where the pictures

2:26

from. So yeah, there's so much happening, so much

2:29

happening in the world, but America

2:31

can't focus on any of that stuff because once

2:33

again America is reeling from mass shootings

2:36

all the way from Buffalo, New York to

2:38

your valley, Texas. People are asking how

2:41

long can this keep going on? And

2:44

here's the good news. In response,

2:46

a major bill has been announced which

2:48

would ban the new sales of handguns

2:51

and allow the government to forcefully buy back

2:53

assault rifles in Canada.

2:57

Yeah, this is completely real. Canada

3:00

saw what happened here and

3:02

they're shutting down guns there. Yeah.

3:05

At this point, America is basically a scared straight

3:07

program that gets other countries on the right path.

3:09

Yeah. It's like you have to smell someone so bad

3:12

you know that you decide that you need to take a shower. That's

3:15

what America is with gun laws. Now to other countries,

3:17

they're like, we need to do something about guns.

3:21

And while most Americans liberals and conservatives

3:23

are open to common sense restrictions on guns

3:26

to keep Americans safe, there is still a small,

3:28

yet powerful group of gun

3:31

fights who believed the problem

3:33

with gun violence is not because of guns.

3:35

No, it's because of everything

3:38

else. Part of the problem is how this generation

3:40

that kids exists mostly online. They

3:43

see actual violence as it's portrayed

3:45

in the movies they watched, the music they listen to, in the

3:47

games of video games they play. When I played

3:50

war growing up with my friends, the boys were

3:52

allowed to be boys. I said

3:54

to my friend Andy, Bang, you're dead. But

3:57

the differences we knew it was fake and

4:00

Andy got up afterwards, and

4:02

we went and jumped in the fire hydrant or

4:04

whoever had a pool? What? First

4:08

of all, why do I feel like Andy's fake? And second

4:10

of all, what does

4:13

this loser talking about kids know that games

4:15

are fake? My man? No one is turning off grand

4:17

theft like shit. I just ran over eighty

4:19

pedestrians. Should I get a lawyer? Oh

4:21

my god, I'm too young for jail. What am I gonna

4:23

do? The

4:26

argument that American music and video games causes

4:28

gun violence totally falls apart when you realize the

4:30

entire world listens to American

4:32

music and plays American video games.

4:35

Yeah, but they have nowhere the same level of America's

4:37

mass shootings. And don't get it twisted. It's

4:39

the same music. It's not like in Sweden they're

4:42

Snoop Dogg is like rattat tat tat, and I

4:44

never hesitate to put a hat on a cat.

4:48

It's the same music. Why they're not getting the same results?

4:51

And please, please please gun gun fanatics.

4:54

They don't just want to ban video games

4:56

and music. No, No, it's going further. They also

4:58

want to replace those things with what they

5:00

say are some lost values. The

5:03

only solution is Christ Jesus and being

5:05

able to get some type of spirituality

5:07

and prayer back into our schools.

5:10

Right now, today, we live in a country where our

5:12

millennials participation rate for

5:14

churches is under thirty in

5:17

a lot of locations. This is the lowest

5:19

church participation we've ever had as a nation.

5:22

Uh and so uh it just shows

5:24

you why you see so much chaos in

5:26

our streets. Yeah, I mean that that could

5:28

be one solution. We need to bring Jesus into

5:31

our schools. I mean, I don't know how Jesus

5:33

would feel about that. Yeah,

5:35

because if I was Jesus, I'll be like, yo, forget

5:38

that. Look at what you guys did to me with nails. I'm not coming

5:40

back when there's guns. Look our fifteen

5:43

ship. I learned my lesson. But

5:46

again, if you think gun violence

5:48

in America is high because people aren't

5:50

going to church, then why don't they have the

5:52

same gun violence in Europe because they're nobody

5:55

goes to church. It's like a thing

5:57

that's done now. If you go to church in Germany, you'll

5:59

be the only one that even the preacher will be like, oh

6:03

jeez, you'll scare the ships out of me. Nobody

6:05

comes in here anymore. I even forgot there was

6:07

a doll. Oh, oh

6:09

my god, that was crazy. Huh. The

6:13

point is, gun lovers have been blaming the same

6:15

causes over and over again

6:18

for decades, although this time, to

6:20

their credits, they've come up with a

6:22

new thing to blame. It's not the guns,

6:25

it's the books. We stopped teaching

6:27

values in so many of our schools. Now

6:29

we're now we're teaching wokeness. We're we're in

6:32

doctoring our child with things like CRT. Yeah,

6:34

that's right. That's how evil critical race

6:37

theory is. It's only been around for like a year

6:39

and it's already caused three decades of school shootings.

6:43

It's really tough. It goes back in time. It's so powerful.

6:47

Book. Man. I know you guys want to blame anything but guns,

6:50

but it still has to make sense. Can we agree on that? Right?

6:52

You can't just blame stuff that you are already

6:55

mad at. These guys are like, maybe there wouldn't

6:57

be so many, you know, violent shootings in schools

6:59

if wife would stop floating with the landscaper.

7:01

I mean, is it just me that

7:05

making it sound like there used to be a lesson that

7:07

was about the importance of not shooting people.

7:10

But they never got to it because they spent too long in teaching

7:12

slavery. This doesn't make any sense.

7:15

And if it's not religion, and if it's not video

7:17

games, and it's not the music, what else could it be. Well,

7:19

according to some gun lovers, maybe it was

7:22

the school's faults. One of the things

7:24

that that everyone agreed is

7:26

don't have all of these unlocked back doors.

7:28

Have one door into and out

7:31

of the school. I would like to see this a

7:33

national push towards instead

7:35

of parents buying their kids all these tools

7:38

and toys and games, invest

7:40

in the classroom to make it safer. They have

7:42

blankets that you can put up on the wall that are colorful

7:45

and beautiful, but there ballistic blankets. We

7:47

need to install man traps, a series

7:50

of interlocking doors at the school entrance that

7:52

are triggered by a trip wire. Trip

7:54

wire can be a gunshot, broken glass,

7:57

or manual switch choice by a school employee,

8:00

and it traps the shooter like

8:02

a rat. Are

8:10

these people hearing themselves? You

8:13

think kids contel fantasy

8:16

from reality. But your suggestions

8:18

like how about we make a school with steal

8:20

doors that slam and windows that turn

8:23

into a concrete or even better, the whole

8:25

school becomes a transformer. Yeah,

8:27

so that way, when the school shooter comes,

8:30

the whole school can run away from man.

8:34

Not to mention, have you guys ever been in a school?

8:36

Huh? Even as the fire alarm gets pulled

8:38

as a prank like once a week, you think the jocks

8:41

are gonna be constantly tossing nerds into the

8:43

man trap? Do

8:48

you listen to yourselves? And

8:50

even if those ideas don't work. Even

8:52

if they don't, there's one solution that

8:55

conservatives love to come back to time

8:57

and time again, and over the weekend,

9:00

it was proposed yet again by none

9:03

other than Donald Jahead Trump. What

9:06

we need now is a top to bottom

9:08

security overhaul at schools all

9:10

across our country. And above all, from

9:13

this day forward, every school in America

9:16

should have a police officer or

9:18

an armed resource officer or

9:21

duty at all times. Yeah.

9:26

Yeah, you know. You always hear people

9:28

saying this after school shooting. What we need is

9:31

armed police officers in the school. What's

9:33

amazing about the debate this time is

9:36

that they're still saying it's even

9:38

though in the shooting that just happened,

9:40

there was an armed police

9:43

officer and it didn't help. Classic

9:45

Trump proposing a solution after

9:48

it already failed. Yea, I

9:50

mean, he would have been a lot of fun in the lifeboats after

9:52

the Titanic. Next time, we should just ram

9:55

that iceberg really hard. What's

9:58

the worst that could happen? What are you, egg

10:00

Jack? What do you think? And

10:05

as we've all heard by now, there wasn't just an armed

10:07

resource officer on the scene. There was a whole platoon

10:10

of police officers who responded

10:12

to the shooting but didn't do ship

10:14

to stop it while it was still going on.

10:17

And I'm willing to guess it's because they were also scared

10:19

of a gunman armed with an a R fifteen.

10:22

I feel like that's why we have to ask ourselves as

10:25

a society. Do we want to live in a

10:27

world where anyone can legally

10:30

buy weapons that the police are

10:32

scared of? Huh? And

10:35

just by the way, Just by the way. For me, it's been amazing

10:37

to see how some people love guns

10:39

so much that they've gone from blue Lives

10:42

Matter to screw these bitch ass

10:44

cops if they're not here to get shocked, and what's the

10:46

point of having them around? The police

10:50

oh, now you don't care about the cops lives, Like, I don't

10:52

know, Maybe it's just me. I would rather say, get rid

10:54

of the Air fifteen and make these officers jobs

10:57

a lot more safe. Maybe it's just me. It's

11:01

why how people flip. You just flip

11:03

whenever you feel like it's so

11:06

so crazy. How the cops they didn't do anything

11:10

right. They shoot people because they think they

11:12

have a gun, and then now they're

11:14

like, they know it's a gun. They're like, well, we can't shoot

11:16

them if

11:18

it's a wallet. Maybe, but I mean, so,

11:22

look, I know that America is never going to do what Canada's

11:24

doing. I don't even expect that. Right. There's a gun

11:26

culture in this country that is far too ingrained

11:29

to ever truly get rid of it. And

11:31

I also know that we're not going to stop gun violence

11:33

altogether. I'm not naive, but I would

11:36

hope. I would just hope that

11:38

after a tragedy like this, Americans could

11:40

agree that losing

11:43

some of these is

11:45

worth it to prevent losing

11:47

more of these. Don't

11:50

go away because after the break, Rannie Chain is celebrating

11:52

a a p I month, and Kelly and Conway will

11:54

be joining us on the show. We'll be right back. Welcome

12:12

back to the Gain the show. Throughout the month

12:15

of May, people have been celebrating Asian American

12:17

and Pacific Island of Heritage months, and tonight,

12:20

for the last day of May, Ronnie Chang decided

12:22

to school us the way only he can.

12:28

That's right, people, We've got our own

12:30

month, and in honor of a bi

12:32

month, I'm gonna teach you about the most underrepresented

12:34

demographic of all time Asian

12:37

Americans in sports. And

12:39

I don't just mean the heavy hitters like Jeremy

12:41

Lynn, Michielle Kwan, Tiger Woods.

12:44

Yeah, we're claiming him. You've got a problem with

12:47

that, Take it up with the u N. Instead,

12:49

I want to focus on the underdogs who blaze

12:51

the trail for all the other Asian American athletes

12:54

to come. People like Wally Yona Meeting,

12:56

the Japanese American who played not one, but

12:59

two professional sports, and

13:01

unlike Michael Jordan's, he didn't suck

13:03

at one of them. Also, he never became

13:05

a crying me. Why you said, you

13:08

know Michael Jordan's first

13:10

seven you're a mean They became a running back

13:12

for the San Francisco forty Niners, but in

13:15

the wake of World War Two, he faced a ton

13:17

of discrimination even while he was

13:19

playing. When he would get tackled, the opposing

13:22

team would punch and kick him. Do you realize

13:24

how insane that is? I mean, it's football.

13:27

Everyone's going home with brain damage already.

13:29

You don't need to force it. After a riss

13:31

injury one, you're not me, and

13:33

they decided to switch to baseball. He moved

13:35

to Japan to play for the Yo ma Yuri Giants,

13:38

where he was an eleven time All Star and

13:40

became the first American player

13:42

ever to be inducted into the Japanese

13:45

Baseball Hall of Fame. Crazy

13:47

thing is you're what I mean? They faced racism

13:49

in Japan two, but this time because

13:52

he was American. At games, the fans

13:54

would chant Yankee go how, which

13:57

is normally something you expected here only at Red

13:59

Sox game or honestly, any

14:01

place in Boston that sells alba. But

14:03

enough of our baseball, let's talk about something people

14:06

actually watch, The Olympics.

14:08

In nine, Victoria Manalo Dres

14:11

became the first API Olympic champion,

14:13

but b Filipino, she also faced a lot of

14:15

discrimination. In fact, when she was younger

14:17

and she used the public pool. The town assholes

14:20

would drain the water after she swam

14:22

in it, which isn't just racist, it's

14:24

idiotic. They're gonna double your

14:26

water bill just because you're afraid of catching. Being

14:29

Asian, you came and get that from a

14:31

pool, you have to share the same straw dut

14:33

masses. But against the yards Manalo

14:35

won her gold medal in the women's three meter

14:38

springboard and she was cheered on by diver

14:40

Sammy Lee, the first Asian American man

14:42

to win an Olympic gold medal. That's

14:44

right, the first two API gold medals at

14:46

the same games. It was like Asian

14:48

Christmas, which is just Christmas.

14:51

But not Every Asian who broke the color barrier

14:53

had a happy ending. In Larry

14:56

Kuong became the first non white player

14:58

in the NHL when he on the New York

15:00

Rangers, but they only put him on ice

15:03

for a minute and he never played in another

15:05

game again, which sucks. But

15:07

breaking the color barrier is like losing your

15:09

virginity. Even if you only did for a second,

15:12

it still counts. Another

15:14

great first happened in nine seven when

15:16

Walter Archi became the first person

15:18

of East Asian descent to play in the NFL.

15:21

Because his last name was a Chu, he earned

15:23

the nickname Sneeze. Sadly,

15:25

this was before athletes sponsorships were

15:28

a thing, so he couldn't even get

15:30

that sweet, sweet, cleanex money.

15:32

Eventually, he retired from the NFL to compete

15:35

in a safer score wrestling,

15:37

proving that Asians can roll around with

15:39

our balls and so one's face just like everyone

15:42

else. But let's move on to my personal

15:44

favorite sport basketball. The

15:47

first non white player of any race

15:49

in NBA history was Japanese

15:51

American what tar room Issaka. He

15:54

was the first draft pick of the New York Knicks,

15:57

and they even promoted his skills to sell tickets.

15:59

But oker he faced along anti Japanese

16:02

sentiment and only ended up playing three games.

16:05

It was so bad he decided to go back to school

16:07

the gainst engineering degree, which I respect.

16:10

He was basically like, oh, you

16:12

don't like me being Asian, Well I'm gonna be

16:14

extra Asian now, bitches. But

16:16

sports isn't just about the athletes. There's

16:18

so many other people who have made history without

16:21

destroying their joints, people like Kim who

16:23

became the general manager of the Miami Marlins,

16:26

making her the first female GM in any

16:28

major American men's league. She walked

16:30

away up the ladder, facing racism and

16:33

sexism. It's the surf and tourf of discrimination.

16:36

So now you know there's been so many

16:38

unsung Asian sports heroes in history.

16:41

Don't bother thanking me, my meager teacher's

16:43

talgory is thanks enough, and

16:45

yes, this is all gonna be on the final Happy

16:48

API month. Idiots probably

16:52

chatting everybody all right when we come back for my advisor

16:55

to President Trump, Kelly and Conway is

16:57

joining me on the show, so don't go away. Welcome

17:15

back to the Daily Show. My guests tonight

17:17

served as Donald Trump's campaign manager in and

17:20

would become one of President Trump's longest

17:22

serving aids. She's going to talk about that

17:25

and her new memoir Here's the Deal.

17:27

Please welcome Kelly and Conway, Kenny

17:38

and Conaway, Welcome to The Daily Show. Thank you for having

17:40

me. You know, there are a few guests I have on my show

17:43

that get me more people asking the

17:45

question why you

17:47

know? That's what people I said. I'm Kelly and Conway is gonna

17:49

be on the show, and people like why I have Kelly and

17:52

Conway on and then you know, some of my friends are like, Oh, she's gonna

17:54

lie to you, she's gonna flip things around, she's gonna spin

17:56

that, she's gonna be she's gonna why. That's what people

17:58

ask me the whole time. They really ask that why

18:03

because they think they know me, They think the caricature

18:06

is real, and they don't want to hear from

18:08

people who disagree with them. I don't think that that's

18:10

completely true. I think it's because people.

18:12

I think it's I think what happens is people get

18:14

frustrated, especially

18:16

in America, because they feel like they're being

18:19

toyed with, you know, And I'm not putting this all on you, by the

18:21

way, I actually found the book interesting because

18:23

there were parts of the book that I

18:26

feel like illuminated stories

18:28

that you you never told, or parts of

18:30

being in the Trump presidency that nobody knew about.

18:32

And and I guess maybe that that's

18:35

like the first question I had about your

18:37

job and what you were doing with President Trump,

18:39

and that is when you're working in the White House

18:42

and you had the position that you had, when

18:44

you're working for an administration, do you feel like

18:46

there are times when you have to lie to protect the president,

18:49

or do you feel like you have to do that because

18:51

you're furthering a greater good? Not

18:53

none of the above. First of all, the President

18:56

offered me the press secretary job

18:58

within an hour or or and a half of

19:00

being elected in I

19:03

said no, because he said you'll be great at Then I'm thinking to

19:05

myself, I've wrote in the book, I'd be a terrible press secretary.

19:07

I'm not even sure what they do. And so I didn't

19:09

want to press or Comm's job. I took a policy

19:11

job, but I kept getting pulled out um

19:14

to speak on behalf of the White House,

19:16

on behalf of the country. And I have

19:19

to tell you. People will say, how can you go up

19:21

against this anchor? They asked me the same question, why would

19:23

you go on this show? Why do you deal with that anchor? They're

19:25

not fair to you, They only prefer Democrats,

19:28

et cetera. And I say, look, the anchors are

19:30

never really my audience. That people are the audience.

19:32

There are folks out there. They're forgotten man, forgotten

19:34

woman, forgotten child who would not otherwise

19:36

have access to information news. They can

19:39

use facts and figures that affect their

19:41

everyday lives. But there were many times

19:43

I didn't speak. There were many things I didn't address.

19:45

I either felt that I was not the expert on them

19:48

or I didn't have all the answers. But I would

19:50

note that, you know, all the smart men

19:52

around me did not go on TV,

19:54

did not come and face the music, did not come and

19:56

explain UM. I was almost like their

19:58

mo mop up girl on spokesmodels.

20:01

Sometimes that's what they wanted so that they can

20:03

be behind the scenes working on important

20:05

policy. And I have to tell you, even this White House

20:07

when it started, the Biden Harris White House, they said,

20:10

look at us, we have a female

20:12

press and comp shop. And I thought, well, of course you do, because

20:15

the women don't get as many policy jobs.

20:17

And that's what I wanted to do. So I worked on veterans,

20:19

military military spouses. I

20:21

worked on the tax Cutton Jobs Act. I

20:24

worked on the opioid crisis. I worked on education,

20:26

health care reform. The list goes on and on. And

20:30

you find out in these public service jobs,

20:32

Trevor, that you can help

20:34

make a difference in people's lives. And I

20:36

think that many of the Trump hands accomplishments

20:38

have done exactly, that we were better off

20:41

economically energy wise. Putin was

20:43

not in Ukraine and Rand was not salinating in Israel.

20:48

How much did you pay for guests? And don't forgive me.

20:50

Forgive me because you're doing the thing that you're

20:52

very good at right now, and that is seeking the

20:54

truth. No, and that is not answering the

20:56

question that I've asked you. I

20:58

did answer no, no, no, I said no, no. What

21:01

I'm what I'm saying is this is and I

21:03

really I don't want to have a confrontational conversation

21:05

with you, because when I was reading the book, it felt like

21:07

more of a conversation with you as a person.

21:09

So okay, let me let me ask it this way. So

21:13

here you have a situation where in the book you

21:15

talk about how you will oftentimes

21:17

a voice of reason in the room. You know, I

21:20

have no reason to not believe that you talk about

21:22

in the book how you said to Donald Trump,

21:24

hey, you lost the election.

21:28

You have lost this election. But what I actually

21:30

said was we were talking about the December

21:32

fourteenth deadline. That was the date by

21:34

which the electors would certify the election, and

21:37

they were about to certify it. For Joe Biden, and Kamala

21:39

Harris. And in the six weeks prior to

21:41

that, I had long left the White House. And in the six weeks prior

21:43

to that, the President and his legal team we're

21:46

trying to find proof of

21:48

theft and fraud and malfeasance and shenanigans.

21:51

And I think there are many unanswered questions from will

21:54

never know. But the main thing you said to him, and I said,

21:56

and you're coming up sure, it looks like you're coming up

21:58

short for that certification date other people.

22:00

Trevor then had the idea, wa, we don't

22:03

go to other people. Wait, wait, honestly, not to go to January

22:05

six, don't do a different sort of happening so much January

22:07

sick though, I'm saying in this case, this is what I'm

22:09

saying is interesting is you said this in the book right after

22:12

a NOW issue. You said this in the book. Since

22:14

the book came out, Donald Trump has come out and

22:16

I think it was true social and he said no,

22:19

Kelly and Conway is lying. She never said

22:21

that to me. She never told me that I lost. And if she told me that,

22:23

I would have fired on the spot. So let's say

22:25

like in that instance, it's you it's

22:27

Donald Trump, So who's telling the truth. He didn't use

22:29

the words liar or fire, but but he said was I wouldn't

22:31

dealt with her anymore. That's not a good criterion.

22:34

I wouldn't have to deal with anymore. But I

22:37

told him. I told

22:39

him that he came up short, and

22:41

it broke my heart. I wish he were still the president because

22:44

you're saying, so, you're saying you did tell him, and so he's

22:47

when he's saying he's coming up short for December

22:49

four other people.

22:52

I'm very candid and very honest. And by the way,

22:54

this is not one of these tell all and breemost.

22:57

I'm not speaking up now because I didn't speak up then,

22:59

God knows I spoke. You didn't know there's

23:01

five pes in there. My life

23:03

story, certainly time is campaign

23:05

manager making history. Is the first female complete

23:09

that we're going to get your counsel to the president and what that

23:11

meant. Allow me to move through it step by step. I

23:13

promise you, I'm gonna get to those parts. What I'm asking you. So

23:16

I think you've answered in this case, So you're saying that

23:18

is the truth is that you told him and you said

23:20

broke Bidens the president. I don't think everything

23:22

was completely fair, and rance you're

23:25

doing the You see, the people are right now

23:28

with me. The people who said to me, she's going to do the thing to you're doing

23:30

the thing to me right now that Joe Biden is. I

23:32

didn't ask you that question though, Okay, the

23:34

question I asked you was who's telling the truth? That's

23:37

honestly what I asked you. I didn't ask you about who's

23:39

president who's not president. I said who's telling the truth? As and

23:41

you told one side of the story. Donald Trump told another

23:43

side of the story. And what you're telling me is you're

23:45

saying his side of the story is not true. I'm telling

23:47

you that I told him before the December fourteen's

23:50

deadline, which disagree. So

23:52

so maybe maybe this is what I'm trying to say in

23:55

this In this book, what I found particularly interesting

23:57

is you you've given us an inside

24:00

into the Trump White House and and how

24:02

it worked well, how sometimes it didn't work.

24:05

You know, you've had some of the most

24:07

scathing opinions on people like

24:09

Jared kushn Of for instance. You you don't you don't

24:11

mince your words in the book about Jared you know, or

24:13

Steve Bannon, and it you know, it feels

24:16

like you you felt like at times,

24:18

they you know, got away with not being as

24:20

good at the job as you felt they should have been.

24:23

Well, I think that the president, your boss

24:25

in the workplace, asked you to work together as a team.

24:27

You should try to do that. And this just happened to be the West

24:29

Wings. That was very important that people be collaborative

24:32

and not confrontational. I felt that that.

24:34

I felt there was a lot of undercutting, if

24:36

not usurping of other people's duties

24:39

and responsibilities. And there was a lot of

24:41

gratuitously nasty stuff going on also,

24:43

And it happened at the very beginning. And

24:45

here's someone who you know, along with

24:48

George, my husband made a decision to move to Washington,

24:50

d C. Move our children there. He too, took a big

24:52

job in the Trump administration. We have that

24:54

in common. And we're doing

24:56

all this and I have people constantly knife in me,

24:59

constantly throwing law was in my path. Now, I had two

25:01

choices, and I think a lot of women in the workplace will relate

25:03

to this chapel right, two choices. I can sort

25:05

of slink away or cry under the desk and hope

25:07

the emotional shrapnell doesn't hit me. Or

25:09

I can hold my head high and forge

25:11

ahead and try to be one small molecule

25:14

that's working for positive change. Um.

25:16

In the end, I mean a lot of those guys got

25:18

fired, slinked away in shame, didn't

25:21

last strong, UM, And I think in many in

25:23

many cases, my balls were bigger and in

25:27

fact actually actually so that question.

25:29

So that to that point, let's talk about the guns game.

25:31

So this is this is a moment you were an adviser

25:33

to the presidents. This is what I find interesting. One

25:36

of my strangest moments,

25:39

even during the show, was when Donald

25:41

Trump. President Donald Trump came out and he said

25:43

there was there was a mass shooting, and he said, you know

25:45

what we need to do. We need to raise the age

25:47

limits. He said, we need to ban assault rifles.

25:50

He needs he said, you Republicans who don't

25:52

want to do it, you're scared of the n r A. He came

25:54

out, he had all of these measures, which I said,

25:57

even on the show, I was like, this is amazing, this is

25:59

fantastic. Many were shocked. But

26:02

then we've learned recently that there were there

26:04

were some of his insiders who convinced him.

26:06

I think like Mick Mulvaney was one of them who said, don't

26:08

do it. You're gonna lose if you don't. Trump said, I don't care,

26:10

we need to do this, and he got convinced

26:12

out of it. Now, I would love

26:14

to know from your perspective, how

26:16

did his team convince him out of something

26:18

when I mean, this was the man who everyone said, don't you can't

26:20

build a wall. He said, I'm going to go and build this wall. You

26:23

know you can't ben Muslims like, I'm gonna find a way to

26:25

do it. How did they convince him? What do we not

26:27

know about the gun lobby in the gun world

26:29

that they managed to push Donald Trump away

26:32

from his initial position. Respectfully, the premise is

26:34

flawed because I was in those conversations

26:36

and he did talk about different measures,

26:39

but they didn't come to the they didn't come

26:41

to the Senate, they didn't come they didn't reach his

26:43

desk. A president has to sign into law things

26:45

that the United States Congress has the guts

26:48

to put there, and they did not know. I want I also want

26:50

to say this though I was there um

26:52

for Parkland I was there after the Parkland

26:55

Valentine's I'm not blaming Trump,

26:57

by the way, I'm just as shifted

26:59

from his Then I flew with him to Santa Fe, Texas

27:02

when when there was a shooting their eight children

27:04

were killed, eight high schoolers and two teachers there.

27:07

And what I learned the entire time is

27:09

that people are very quick to say it's

27:11

this problem, it's that problem is actually a spectrum. You

27:13

know, it's never one thing that positive and it's never

27:15

one thing that can solve it, right, But then nothing

27:17

gets done. So nothing has gotten done. And again,

27:20

if you've got a president's been there for fifty years,

27:22

I hope he will because he can say I hope

27:25

he can do. I know, I know you're

27:27

probably doing in I don't blame there

27:31

he does. I'm saying

27:33

to you as an advisor like and I

27:35

mean this honestly, as as a Kelly

27:37

and Coma like you're not even a fan of the semid Coling,

27:40

not just listening. What I'm saying to you is in

27:43

the position that you're in and the position that

27:45

you may find yourself in again, because you you do have

27:47

the air of many powerful Republicans, You do

27:49

have you know you're in You're in the rare

27:52

position of speaking to Donald Trump and Mike Pence

27:54

right now. You're one of the few people who is the connective

27:57

tissue of many parts of the Republican

27:59

Party, both the old and the new. And so maybe

28:01

I would even ask you then, as an advisor, now, what

28:04

are some of the common sense ideas that you think could

28:06

be possible, because I think these are moments that the

28:08

public democrat. These are just children. You

28:11

just you just said the most important word here. I know people

28:13

talk about guns and mental health and hardening

28:16

the targets. I'm thinking through the vantage

28:18

of the vantage point of the children, and we should

28:20

just start there and all these matters. And I learned

28:23

that and listening to the Parkland families, I learned

28:25

that after the Dayton shooter had

28:28

his juvenile records were kept private

28:30

and now that it's his privacy versus the security

28:32

of other people. I learned that when we

28:34

looked at Parkland and you saw the FBI had visited

28:37

many times and nobody ever did anything. These

28:40

people, these mad men, the moral depravity,

28:42

these evil people. They usually broadcasts

28:44

or intention they're bragging me about. I want to be a school

28:46

shooter look at me, and so

28:48

we should take that seriously. I mean here they say,

28:51

if you see something, say something. They made a backpack

28:53

in the subway. I think the people who

28:55

are around these folks and are afraid of them and

28:57

believe that they could do should feel free to

28:59

go to the authority under cover of privacy,

29:02

go to the authorities and report that.

29:04

Here's what I think should happen with the children. You

29:06

know, Trevor, if we just acted with

29:08

the same gusto to protect

29:10

our children from violence in the schools that we

29:12

did to protect them from the virus, which we should have done.

29:15

We now have one twelve billion dollars

29:18

in last year's American rescue plan and

29:20

put in post pandemic money for for

29:23

the schools of it, according

29:25

to the Law Street Journal last week, is unspent. Why

29:27

well, because they already did the ventilation. They already did

29:29

the sticker, as we already did the masks. Now we're moving on

29:32

to its airmark for mental health. It's air

29:34

marked for more teachers and counselors. It's air

29:36

mark for lost learning, and we should

29:38

be spending that money. It's seven billion just here

29:40

in New York City. The largest school district in the country,

29:43

and it's not spent yet because it expires

29:45

in September. They're trying to figure out how

29:47

to do it. Let's take that money, it's already

29:50

been passed and approved by the president. Let's

29:52

take that money and shift it over to

29:54

keeping our kids safe in these schools. My goodness,

29:56

we have we keep athletes safe, politicians

29:59

SA No, of course not. Nineteen

30:01

states have red flag walls. These states have taken

30:03

action where Washington has not. In fact,

30:05

the state of Florida, with the Republican State Legislative

30:07

republic Governor Rick Scott m past

30:10

red flag laws after Parkland, Florida. So

30:12

it is possible. As people are saying

30:14

do something, say something, to do something,

30:17

and I don't know what's going to happen in Congress.

30:19

I'd like to feel more hopeful that people

30:21

will come to their senses and think about how

30:23

to keep these kids safe, because it should not be an

30:25

occupational hazard for any child um

30:28

to go to school and the fear for their lives

30:30

obviously their safety, but there's so

30:32

many signs along the way and people should

30:35

feel free instead of judging everybody's

30:37

social media post and and calling everybody

30:39

names and canceling people. Why don't we say that

30:42

person's slinging an a

30:44

R fifteen online saying

30:46

he aspires to be a school shooter. Half

30:48

the class is afraid of him. Why don't

30:51

we do something about that? So I think it's all that. And

30:53

I was disappointed to hear Senator Chris Murphy

30:56

of Connecticut UM say

30:58

last week, don't give me the bull ship about

31:00

mental health. We don't have any more mental

31:02

health problems in other countries. Excuse me. It is

31:04

a big problem here, maybe in other countries too,

31:07

but we have to look at that. We have to start investing

31:09

in that. UM. So, yes, I believe in the case

31:12

of Buffalo, there was a red flag should have been

31:14

triggered, and the authorities did not do anything about it.

31:16

The Buffalo shooter, UM here, and

31:18

you'v all the this, this murderer

31:21

who just recently turned eighteen. I believe there

31:24

were warning signs and people were afraid

31:26

of him, and they said, he would you torture

31:28

cats and brag abound We're going to rape you. I'm

31:30

going to be a school shooter. I think you have to take

31:32

people like that seriously and not just look

31:35

the other way, So there is a whole spectrum

31:37

of solutions that I I hear what you're saying

31:39

correctly in that situation, which I would agree with.

31:41

Is what you're saying is if you look at these red flags,

31:43

if you look at these moments ahead of time, you can find

31:46

reasons to restrict people from gaining access

31:48

to guns. Because you're saying, we see

31:50

that this is not conducive to society. Not everybody

31:52

should have it because if you're operating and she's just like happening

31:55

anything with any other machine, any

31:57

other agree on many

32:00

things. Believe I listened to you and and

32:02

look this country. I write in my book at

32:04

the end the the the publisher

32:07

Simon and Schuster, the head They're asked me, can you dig

32:09

a little bit deeper and try to unify the country? Like sure,

32:11

that sounds easy, And I did try. And

32:14

one thing I said, I think is incredibly important for us all

32:16

to realize is that sure, we can talk

32:18

about bipartisanship, we can talk about finding

32:20

common ground. I always think that's valuable, but

32:23

we also need to realize that not everybody

32:25

in this country wants to wear the red or blue uniform

32:28

seven three sixty five we don't want politics and

32:30

every conversation, collaboration, consideration,

32:33

every meal, every conversation

32:35

at a place of worship or your place of work, and

32:38

the kids playground you have. We have much

32:40

more uncommon in this beautiful country field with amazing

32:42

people, and people realize, but these cultural cleavages

32:45

are very real, and we have to we

32:47

have to confront that. We have to I

32:49

think I think deal with that. Look, if Donald Trump wants

32:52

to be president again, it's the simplest path

32:54

is not to look backwards to run against Joe Biden.

32:56

He can have a cage match rematch, and

32:58

I think people will pay attention that that's what he

33:00

wants to do. That's the that's the smoothest,

33:03

easiest path. That's

33:05

the smoothest easiest path if

33:07

he really wants to do that. But um, but

33:09

we have to also respect that the growing

33:11

number of people in this country, they

33:14

are upset with what's going on in Washington.

33:16

They feel excluded from the process.

33:18

If from the stem, can I tell you what I think happens

33:21

in America That's particularly interesting is America

33:23

is one of the few countries I've lived in where

33:26

politicians complain about

33:28

politics being a tool

33:31

that should be used to change the country when they are

33:33

in the position of changing the country using

33:35

that politics. Yes, it's that's

33:38

a great having me on the shock. I could chat to you for hours. Unfortunately,

33:40

have a time that we have. Thank you so much, journing me. Not

33:42

many people would Kellyan's memoir. Here's

33:45

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33:47

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