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Hey, it's Roy Wood Jr. We've got a little something

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different for you today. Now, you remember, before the

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pandemic, you could stand around a water cooler

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and talk to your co workers. We used

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to call it water cooler conversations, even though

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there was never really a water cooler there anyway.

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Two of my good friends, Daily Show correspondent

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Dulce Sloan and Daily Show writer Josh

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Johnson, are known around the building

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for their water cooler conversations, and

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they've turned it into a podcast. This is your chance

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to hear these two people go back and forth

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the way. We get to hear it all the time in the hallway.

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The podcast is called hold Up. Have a

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listen, everybody,

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welcome to hold Up. I

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have now realized that a podcast

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hosted by two black people called hold up.

0:54

It's a problem. It's a problem,

0:56

but we already named it. This is this is five

0:59

we can't do. First. Okay, first of all, it might

1:01

be better because it's like, this is hold

1:03

up. Like I hear what you're

1:05

saying. I hear I feel I feel

1:07

like hold up works though I think it gives people's attention.

1:10

He man hold up. Yeah, it's like or

1:13

it can only be called like okay, listen

1:16

like and there's no way to like type that out

1:18

copy for that, so we need to go and hold

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up, Hold up, alright,

1:23

hold up, all right, Well, if

1:25

you heard that last part, you already know what the name of the

1:27

show is. Welcome to hold up. It's

1:29

me Josh Johnson, writer for The Daily Show,

1:31

with my partner in conversations

1:34

that go on way too long, duel say sloan,

1:36

and we're gonna be taking

1:39

it to to the true edge,

1:41

the brim of issues that don't

1:43

matter at all to anybody but us, and

1:46

we're gonna have it out. So you need to know ahead

1:48

of time. This is what we do.

1:50

This is how we talk to each other anyway, all right.

1:52

I don't want I don't want anybody listening

1:55

in thinking wow, while they're getting

1:57

heated. It's not heated. It's just the truth.

1:59

It's what's happen. Sometimes when you're right,

2:01

you have to let people know. And sometimes those

2:04

people or some of your good friends, Okay,

2:08

because like Josh, how many times and we've

2:11

been like I think

2:13

people would call it arguing, but

2:15

for us, it's just a regular conversation,

2:18

discussion, situation. People from far

2:20

away definitely think it's arguing because I

2:23

have a lot of like we'll get will give

2:25

me a second to like, I have a

2:27

lot of those stunted sentences, and

2:30

those always sound like they going and argument.

2:33

Really I'm just trying to think, right,

2:35

So it's just like, okay, so hold up, wait a minute,

2:37

so like you have that thought process, because

2:39

it's like, there's so many times I've been talking in the office and

2:41

somebody was like, y'all should do this as a podcast.

2:43

I'm like, i'mtt are you doing this

2:46

for free?

2:49

I'm already getting paid to be at work to talk to this man.

2:51

I ain't been to do it on this white man's

2:53

internet, not getting no points for it. So

2:56

we out here being Josh talking

2:59

about things only really

3:02

well like we care about them, but I think like people

3:04

as a whole care about them,

3:07

I would hope. So here's the thing. Today, We're

3:09

gonna be talking about conscious hip

3:12

hop versus club

3:14

hits. Which one is better? And see,

3:17

I think see we're already in a place

3:19

that's wow because you can't say which

3:21

one is better? Right,

3:24

It's which one? Do you

3:26

know? You can't listen? It's

3:29

which one you prefer? Okay,

3:31

it's like, which one do you prefer? Because

3:34

I'm gonna say, because you have one that

3:36

you think is like better, and

3:38

I have one that I think is

3:40

preferable to listen to. Okay,

3:43

alright, when we say better, what

3:46

are the qualifications

3:49

for that kind? Okay, that's a good point

3:52

because my thing is I'm gonna go with

3:54

conscious hip hop because one I

3:56

think I enjoy the journey more too,

3:59

that you wear in that hat. Okay,

4:01

Wow, for personal

4:04

attacks that have nothing to do with the

4:06

argument. I love this hat. It says a chief

4:08

on the side. It says

4:10

a chief on the front. You turned it to the side. It

4:13

says a chief on the side that I chose to be

4:15

the side it's

4:18

round. Any side could be the side.

4:21

You can have it in the back, absolutely

4:23

I could, and then people from the back

4:25

would be like, who is that a chief? For walking past

4:27

me? Back

4:32

to the topic you had thought. All I've

4:34

said is that conscious hip hop it

4:37

takes you. It takes you to a place that

4:39

helps you digest society

4:41

as it's happening in the moment or the

4:43

past, as as the people living in it saw

4:45

it. And club hits it's just heathenism.

4:48

You know, it's just it's just sort of rubbing together.

4:52

Listen as a Christian woman, all right, I

4:56

don't know what you believe, and I don't know what God you serve, but

5:03

we've never really talked about what faith you

5:06

have. Uh so

5:08

this is the thing. It's I

5:11

listen to NPR, Okay, listen

5:13

to NPR. I get on seeing it. I

5:16

am very aware of all of the

5:18

things that are happening

5:20

right. Absolutely, this is happening

5:22

here, This is a problem here. Oh,

5:25

we got to go march again, right? So

5:28

is that way? Is that how you react? You

5:31

we gotta go march again. I mean

5:33

we've been marching my mother's we've been marching

5:35

forever. Yeah, we've been marching for I

5:38

feel like that's honestly just a

5:40

prerequisite to black fitness.

5:43

You know. It's just guys, we gotta

5:45

get out there and it is way over there,

5:47

so we're gonna be building these calves, could

5:49

be fighting the power. The best

5:51

thing that ever happened to marching was a sneaker. Yeah,

5:55

because that's when

5:58

sneakers came about. They were like, was gonna

6:00

stop these blocks? Listen, because

6:02

before they was out there marching in a straight church

6:05

shoe. You try to march church

6:07

shoes, you really have to think about how

6:09

much you care about the thing that you march

6:11

it for, because about after eight steps

6:14

you're like, hey, listen, could

6:16

we stay? We can still sing, we can sing

6:18

and be still? Can everything be a sitting?

6:20

Can everything be just

6:23

sit right now? Listen? The

6:26

city came from the marches like

6:34

like, hey, hey, listen, we

6:36

can't make all of us, can't make it all the way over

6:38

there, So let's just take over a lunch counter.

6:40

Because they don't less either there anyway, So let's

6:43

we'll kill two with one. Let's

6:45

make it happen. I'll let you hit me with

6:47

the milkshake before I walk in these church shoes

6:50

for seven miles. Yeah, because

6:52

you know what a milkshake washes off. Bunians

6:55

don't know. No,

6:57

I can get a new pressing curl, okay, I can wash

6:59

the stress. But my feet, on

7:01

the other hand, my achilles is

7:03

going through it. So I'm

7:06

going man,

7:09

I mean, I understand why it's such an issue,

7:11

So sucking up my c l um.

7:14

When I'm listening to music,

7:18

I don't want to think about

7:21

all this ship that's wrong in the world.

7:24

Okay, I want to stop.

7:26

I'm here to listen. I don't want to hear about

7:28

all the hardships in your neighborhood and

7:31

all another nonsense. Okay, I want

7:33

to hear about that ship. I

7:36

don't want to hear about your local struggle. No,

7:39

I don't want to hear about how hard it is in your corner

7:41

and America, bro, no, are

7:44

you robbing? Everybody's

7:47

robbing? Okay, first of all, and

7:50

ninth right, like, oh, let's

7:53

go to the Bronx, Like I don't want this

7:55

play by play news

7:57

story of what the funk what's

8:00

funked up in your area? Like I'm not. I

8:03

don't want I don't need that. I don't want

8:05

that because I already know. I already know

8:08

ship's bad over here, Ship's

8:10

bad over here. There's already

8:12

the misconception that people think like, oh,

8:14

well, like the North's not as racist, which

8:16

is a lie, and it's like, oh it's not as in

8:18

your face. I'm just like, okay, so yes,

8:21

this man not might not have a Confederate flag

8:23

T shirt on, but he's still not gonna let you with this

8:25

fucking apartment. Who gives a ship? So

8:28

like, oh, it's not in your face. Racism, all racism

8:31

in your face. If you won't let me live here,

8:33

it's in my face. Some goofy bitches in

8:35

the lobby asking me to prove when I live here. I'm like, bitch,

8:37

you gotta keey file. If you touched me, I'm gonna slap

8:39

you back to Like we

8:41

already have the ships.

8:45

So when I'm listening to my musica,

8:48

I don't want to hear that ship. You know what I want

8:50

to hear about what I'm listening to my musica? What

8:53

is that guns holds money? That's

8:55

what I want to hear about. I want to

8:57

hear what you out here doing is you're getting

8:59

the whole Did you're taking these drugs? How many bottles

9:02

did you pop today? Like, that's

9:04

what I want to hear. I want to hear a repetitive

9:06

beat that will let me shake something that conscious

9:09

wrap you can't. I was like, I always think about this. I

9:11

was like, so do they have like conscientious

9:13

wrap clubs? Like you're just sitting there

9:15

thinking with a bunch of other niggas. You're

9:20

just sitting thinking. Yeah,

9:22

you're just bobbing back and forth. It's

9:25

hard out here. No, bro, I want

9:27

to shake something I'm trying to forget. I'm trying

9:29

to see how many men want me to rub

9:31

my butt on their pelvis. I don't appreciate

9:33

that. But he

9:36

could be a nice man. People

9:38

are throwing books and people putting their clothes on

9:41

right, like it was like a sticking here, a jacket

9:43

or all you aware at check. Everybody got to

9:45

be the clothes on this club. So

9:48

I don't I want like for me.

9:50

It's like I don't want to say like escapeism.

9:54

But it's like I already know

9:56

about all of the ship that's bad.

9:59

I don't need you. I don't need you to put

10:01

the news to a beat. I don't need that.

10:04

So I will say this, okay, So you

10:06

you have perfectly made your point

10:09

and tied me up for mine. Because the

10:12

guns, the hose, the money, the

10:14

butt rubbing, it's

10:16

it's all. It's since it's all the same, I

10:18

can't. I can't after a while you lose me,

10:21

you know. But it's like I want you to rub

10:23

a butt like this. I want to rub all

10:25

your butt like that. It's just it's it's

10:27

not only a bit repetitive, but it's

10:29

like I can guess the ending

10:32

of the song. Okay, But in the

10:34

social conscious rap I

10:37

can also get standing because

10:40

y'all still out here being broke. The government

10:42

still, the cops are still killing us, like

10:45

fun the Police is a song that can come out

10:47

every single year. Sure,

10:49

like we're not like it's the same thing. We're

10:52

not learning new ship. Nothing

10:54

new is happening, nothing is truly

10:56

you're still what the what with the new

10:58

topic gentrification? What are you talking

11:01

about now, Doe Coin? Are you trying to fix

11:03

the hood? Are they? That's

11:05

what? That's not what's happening in these songs.

11:07

No one's giving you like, hey, we're gonna

11:09

strategize, like, no one's the comments

11:12

not telling you how to

11:14

win a local election, Like that's

11:16

not happening like that

11:20

that is? That is good? Then that

11:22

means that the only thing missing bridging

11:25

this gap between us would

11:27

be a conscious rap that wasn't about

11:29

something that happened. It was it's about a plan.

11:32

So if you if you heard a song that

11:34

was about a plan that was like this is how

11:37

we're gonna take over half of Mississippi,

11:40

you would be down for it. You

11:42

couldn't do something to it, but

11:44

you could you could be like, Okay,

11:46

this is a nice flow and a good plan. I

11:48

like this plan. I mean, isn't the goal

11:51

always to Bob though, you gotta get if it's not a

11:53

Bob I people gonna listen to it, So you guys still

11:55

not get somebody about Here's the thing about Bob's

11:57

though. People are now, especially

11:59

with club hits, people are now

12:02

forgetting to even check for the lyrics.

12:04

You don't know what you're bopping your head too. You could

12:06

be bopping. You could be bopping your head to just pure

12:09

unadulterated gag violence. Argue.

12:11

This song could be about beating you, and you're like

12:13

this thing slaps and then all of the sudden people

12:15

jump you and you have no idea why my

12:18

thing is. I truly understand that the

12:20

j Coles of the world, you can't you

12:22

can't really dance to it, you can't really like

12:25

like like swing your hips. But

12:28

if he can't ride a flow, if he if

12:30

he if he can't put something out there

12:33

that not only I understand that you don't want

12:35

to think as much because this is

12:37

kind of like how I like, I

12:40

think that we're this mirrors our personalities

12:42

though, because I'm very much like documentaries

12:44

and you very much like Korean dramas. You

12:47

know, I love a documentary. The

12:49

problem is all the documentary is now about

12:51

true crime, and I

12:55

don't want to see true crime. Also,

12:57

it's always true crime documentaries. A boy white people getting

13:00

murdered, like niggas getting murdered. People would

13:02

call it get murdered, Like y'all ain't trying to do no

13:04

cold case of you know

13:06

a black man who was incarcerated and

13:09

he was an innocent person, like the Innocence

13:12

Project. If the Innocence Project became

13:14

a production house, they win every oscar

13:17

can I can? I'm digressing

13:19

for a second, but this is that you just revived

13:21

to me of this as someone who is

13:24

seeing real crime. Yeah,

13:29

this is messed up. But like I

13:33

wonder, was like when you see a crime and

13:35

then you see a document of about that crib. But

13:37

you're like, man, they should have interviewed me. They got it

13:39

all wrong. Listen, Listen to something like what

13:41

happened there? I'm

13:43

in the shot. I'm in the shot and they didn't

13:46

get me. Listen. I had a neighbor

13:48

on gangland one time and my mother was like,

13:50

this is nonsense. This is absolute lies,

13:52

lies, none of this was happening.

13:55

Like she was so aggravated because

13:57

she was just like, they wasn't

13:59

doing half of this ship. So when it came

14:01

out, we were like like me and my homeboard, like I was talking

14:03

to my homeboy and like in his sister,

14:06

it were like liing

14:08

yang like the whole time he was watching it. And then

14:10

there was some dude on there who was supposed to be in

14:12

the gang, and then nobody

14:14

knew who he was, sort of like they just hired

14:16

some actor, like they didn't have enough of the story because

14:18

this gang wasn't doing what they said it was doing. Also,

14:21

you were a gang in the suburbs, like

14:23

calm down, like they

14:25

must have just like I don't know if Gangland that week

14:28

was just out of gangs. And I

14:30

was like, well we heard about this over in Gwynette

14:32

County and I'm just like, hey man, this is wild,

14:34

but um but

14:39

my mother was like, this is nonsense. My mother went,

14:41

they should have interviewed me, id have told

14:43

him. I was like, the last thing you need

14:47

to be on Gangland. The

14:49

thing that I love about gang glad

14:51

type stuff, though, is a perfect opportunity

14:53

to hype up your gags. So you can be a

14:56

lot of people don't know we killed JFK. That

14:58

was They

15:00

thought we weren't really out here like that. But we've

15:03

been out here okay, and we we got

15:05

that man, all right. Could

15:08

you imagine if like it was like moo

15:10

this it was like, yeah, Holmes, we got

15:13

Jaffa, we got okay, all

15:15

right, and the FBI was so scared that

15:17

they covered it up. What

15:20

if the crypt what if the crypts

15:23

just killed I

15:25

imagine that they could have done it, but by accident,

15:28

they

15:32

just saw dropped top and they were just like, yeah, that's

15:34

that boy. You're like, oh, that was

15:36

the president. Damn,

15:38

yeah that was That's are bad because he

15:41

was gonna side that voter Rice bill too.

15:43

He was definitely gonna sign a civil rights sack. Fuck,

15:45

we should have ask more questions. So

15:52

here's the thing about club hits, all right. The

15:56

other thing is that this is this

16:00

I'm gonna make this point and you

16:04

don't even want it. I'm excited to hear

16:06

your counter though, because I understand

16:09

I'm stepping into to

16:12

precarious waters. So basically,

16:15

a lot of the club hit game is so

16:18

rigged that I honestly have a hard time

16:20

respecting it. There are some

16:22

like Atlanta is a great example. Atlanta

16:25

club hits are authentic. They're

16:27

like they're like people run up on a DJ

16:29

or they have a friend that that can get their stuff

16:32

played, and then some people play it. Then

16:34

they play it in that club, people follow that person

16:36

on Instagram, DJ gives them a shout out, they

16:38

build up a real following and everything. But

16:41

the rest of the game at

16:43

large, the broad like brushstrokes

16:46

of music, it's still the same like

16:49

label Paola type thing that we pretend

16:51

we aren't still doing from the seventies or whatever.

16:53

Like like, it's still very much like, Okay,

16:56

I have the back end of this person to get me a feature

16:58

by this person and get pumped up by this person.

17:00

So now all of a sudden my club hit is

17:02

is it's like on fire. But I'm

17:04

like, if this was if this had to exist

17:07

in a vacuum, it would have never got here.

17:09

Whereas I feel like a lot of conscious songs don't

17:11

really have that problem. It's like most of

17:13

the most of the conscious rappers that

17:16

I enjoy are

17:18

only semi famous. They're not like because

17:21

the ship is boring, the nigg

17:23

is still working office depot because

17:25

nobody fucking cares. That's

17:28

the thing. Like nobody is like sitting

17:30

up running them to a club is like, hey, let me

17:32

hear this. I don't even know those social conscious rappers because

17:34

that's how much I don't care. But don't

17:37

give me a socially like a real socially conscious

17:39

rapper, like a conscious can give him

17:42

in my name, Okay, I've

17:44

heard a no name. Yeah,

17:46

but no name is not. No name is not

17:49

Cardi B. No name is not. Like like

17:51

she is at a place where I don't

17:54

think this should happen, but I think very well

17:56

she is gonna plateau where

17:59

she's at because now the people that know

18:01

about her lover talk about her and everything.

18:03

But for whatever reason, it doesn't spread

18:06

even more. Everything

18:08

everything hits, everything hits critical

18:11

masks. At a certain point, you're just famous,

18:14

like there's not new people Like Brad

18:17

Pitt is famous, he's established, right

18:19

like Angela Bassett established

18:22

like angel Bassett legit famous. But

18:25

Loretta Divine is not as

18:27

famous as Agel Bassett. But

18:29

Loretta Divine Like it's crazy because like I feel like

18:32

sometimes like certain people are like black

18:34

famous, like a lot of time

18:36

when I'm on the shade room, They'll be talking about people like who

18:39

the funk is this? Who

18:41

the fund is that? Like, there's so many people that talk about

18:43

in the shade. I'm like, I don't know who any of these motherfucker's

18:45

are, but I should know so. But

18:47

I think the other thing that I think about, like when

18:49

it comes like socially like conscious rap

18:52

or like stuff like that, is like

18:55

like when I think about, like first

18:57

like the number of when

19:01

I look at, like the number of

19:03

white people that try to talk to me about

19:05

like rap, like music, if

19:07

it's if it's a white girl, she's asking me if I know who Lizzo

19:10

is, when I'm just like, well, first of all, I'm

19:12

not Lizzo, so leave me alone. Uh

19:15

second, beat it, lady, Like

19:18

I get it, go away, stop talking.

19:20

You're not going to connect with me on this,

19:22

Okay talking to a little away and you goofy,

19:24

lady. But when

19:27

I look at like, what do I think the number

19:29

of white people that are like, well, I'm really in an old school hip

19:31

hop? But I'm like really, because we're done with

19:34

it. That's why we call it old school hip

19:36

hop. Like

19:38

it's not because like if you think about like hip hop

19:40

back like because the style changes

19:42

so much, because at first it

19:44

was all conscious, right, sure,

19:48

and then there was a break,

19:50

like a whole you know, like a Protestant Catholic situation

19:53

where which is like we're all doing the same thing, and

19:56

then there was a break where it was just like I just

19:58

want to have fun. I just

20:00

want to I just want to go out, I

20:03

want to dance, and that is it. Because

20:05

I am very aware of like who

20:07

consumes what,

20:09

So it's interesting that people are like, well

20:11

because they try to act like that. You know, black people

20:14

don't contribute to the American economy whatsoever,

20:16

which is wild because we

20:18

are some of the biggest consumers. But

20:21

when it comes to like when I talk to my next

20:23

like it's conscious rap music, the

20:26

people who are talking to me about conscious rap music

20:28

a lot of times are white people. So

20:32

it's like they're getting new

20:34

information because, like, as black people,

20:37

because we're not the dominant culture

20:40

because were minorities in this country quote unquote,

20:44

we have to know all of the white

20:46

things, but white

20:48

people aren't required to know the

20:50

black things.

20:53

So they're listening and he's like, oh my god,

20:55

I didn't know that this was such a problem.

20:57

I'm like, what do y'all do all day?

21:00

What do you do? Like? How do you not know

21:04

that there are issues and other community?

21:07

Like It's that's the thing that's always been wild

21:09

to me, where it's just like I just I just wasn't.

21:12

I mean, are y'all really short? Like when

21:15

you're sure? Are you sure?

21:18

Like when I like if I interacting

21:21

with him, like I've had a dude like be aggressive

21:23

to me and like rude to me on set and

21:25

then I someone say to me, well, is that your

21:28

perception of it? And I just went,

21:31

I don't know. I don't need that, yeah

21:34

at all. I don't need you to second guess what

21:36

I'm doing. What I need you to do is

21:38

listen to what I'm saying and fucking

21:40

fix it. That's what

21:42

I need you to do. So in those situations

21:45

where it's just like people just second guessing, like what you're saying

21:47

and what your experience is, I

21:50

think a lot of times when it comes to stuff like this,

21:52

it's just people going, well, I didn't know they were

21:54

going through so much. So they're like catching up on news

21:57

that happened twenty years

21:59

ago because because

22:02

it's like now like as I was saying

22:05

before, it's we're

22:08

gonna dance for everyone to shake forever. Like I

22:10

feel like that's why sometimes like on a bunch of

22:12

black people laughing bothers

22:15

white people so much because

22:18

no matter they've done all

22:20

of these things for all, Like we've literally

22:22

been in America for like four hundred

22:24

and two years, and

22:26

it's gotten better than it was before because

22:29

before we were stolen and brought

22:31

here answers were someone brought here its property. So

22:33

it's better than it was before, but

22:37

we're still dealing with things that we've been

22:39

dealing with since Jim Crows,

22:42

Like Jim Crow ended on paper. But now it's like we desegregated

22:45

schools, and now they've resegregated schools,

22:48

but they've done it so slowly. You just look up

22:50

and you're like, damn

22:54

you a white kidds at the school. What they

22:56

got us again? So when

22:59

I look at stuff like that, it's like we are

23:02

what are we doing? Because there's still gonna

23:04

be the break happened for a reason,

23:07

like the like the split happened for a reason,

23:10

Because it just gets to the point where you're just like every

23:12

time I turn on a record, I

23:15

can't hear about this ship because

23:17

it's like, is there conscious

23:19

R and B or

23:22

is that just neo soul music? I

23:24

mean if yeah, he might be alone in that

23:28

right or they just spoken

23:30

word? Also spoken word, it's

23:33

just poetry. What do we talk It's

23:35

just poetry. It's low key rapping, Like what are

23:37

we talking about right now? But I do

23:40

feel like spoken word is for conscious

23:42

rappers who have trouble staying

23:44

on beat. You

23:49

know, they like I just gotta go

23:51

with you know, my guy giving gifts, let

23:53

me be the bet. There's

23:57

like that that basis throwing me off. Let

23:59

me just do thing, because

24:03

it's I mean, I've never

24:05

seen a spoken word poem

24:07

that I thought was like, oh,

24:09

this should like I felt before that some

24:12

of them should be songs. But then I was like, no, there's no

24:14

beat to like like his top end and

24:16

his back end or like completely.

24:18

So I guess if he had a beat switch, he could make

24:20

it work with both. But that's saying that seems

24:22

too hard now. But they're all doing But

24:24

the thing is they're all doing the same. It's like

24:26

like have ever been in like a sausa club.

24:30

Yeah, So it's basically the same

24:32

song all night. It kind

24:35

of is. But some people like so

24:39

I don't know, if you watch any spoken

24:41

word, I used to one of them slutely

24:44

not, and two things happened.

24:46

There was a big schism in spoken word

24:49

where some of them stayed with like that

24:51

like bongo beat type

24:54

and my brother like that that thing,

24:58

and then other ones really did start

25:00

like almost rapping, but

25:03

they would just go so fast until they were out

25:05

of breath, and you would actually hear them go like

25:07

it was like you could hear them gas because

25:09

they were just like streamlining

25:12

the whole poem. And my brother,

25:14

I'm trying to tell you that it's like, you're not twister,

25:16

just tell me the words. Yeah, and both

25:18

of them I couldn't go to a beat.

25:20

They stopped doing the okay, so this

25:23

is they stopped doing the fast

25:25

thing because it made no sense. No, no, no, I wish.

25:27

But in Chicago, I

25:30

went to an open mic night a couple

25:32

of times, like as I was getting it to stand.

25:34

It was a mixed open mic. It was like stand up

25:36

a little bit of everything. There

25:39

was this guy that would do spoken

25:41

word and the first two times

25:44

he the

25:47

first two times he brought bogos,

25:49

but even he could tell he could keep up

25:51

with what his hands were doing. So then

25:54

the next two times I saw me didn't have any

25:58

He just left him at home. I

26:00

mean, you have to realize because it's like that kind

26:02

of like beat Nick thing from the Fit. Like

26:05

it's funny because like the only people like certain

26:07

people still swing dance and

26:09

then like this beat Nick like the rockabilly

26:12

kind of vibe that some people still funk with, and

26:14

then like the fifties was such an amazing

26:16

time. Um, it's

26:19

kind of rough for everybody. Basically, Uh,

26:22

it's like black people went, yeah that beat Nick

26:24

ship will keep it and then just turning the

26:26

spoken word because okay,

26:29

so where does Kendrick

26:31

Lamar fall on this?

26:34

He I think he falls in conscious

26:37

because of the The Damn

26:39

Album and the Pulitzer, Like he was already

26:41

like Section eight and to Pile Butterfly all

26:43

that stuff like that. Those weren't really he

26:46

did kind of bridge a little bit because

26:48

he had songs like Um,

26:51

he had songs like I He had he had songs

26:53

like like d n A. He had things that

26:56

people like Bob two in a in

26:58

a way that was not like club dunswing,

27:00

but it was like they were really rocking with it and everything.

27:02

So he's sort of like an

27:05

outlier of a lot of these other people

27:07

because but like if you played be Humble

27:09

in a club, it would

27:11

bob like people would dance to

27:14

that. So he kind of

27:16

found a way to like bridget I

27:20

am not what

27:23

what blasphemy? What

27:26

do you Go ahead and say

27:28

what you're gonna say, because I'm already upset. Go

27:33

ahead, and I do enjoy

27:37

his music, But what I will say

27:39

is that I'm not a huge kinds

27:42

look lamar fan, because I

27:45

think he sounds like a muppet. So

27:47

you could have stopped at not a huge fact.

27:56

See, this is this is what you do. This is this

27:58

is your whole vibe. You like to put your foot

28:00

on the line and make sure your toe is over it

28:03

like tin

28:05

toes down. Baby? Why why would

28:07

why would you even need to include that?

28:10

I can respect you're not being a huge fan.

28:12

I'm just saying I figured but when you say

28:14

you're not a big like when you say a lot like people

28:17

are like people want quantifiers, Well why

28:19

well what is it? And my reason is

28:23

his voice sounds like it's being

28:25

done by Jim Hinson. That's my

28:28

It's like a Frank Oz kind of

28:30

like just Sesame Street

28:32

Muppets take Manhattan more

28:35

like a muppet and Sesame Street way more muppet.

28:38

What you So, here's the thing. First

28:40

of all, you all those people not think. Second,

28:42

the qualifier doesn't make it better. The quality,

28:44

Like the qualifier is only gonna

28:46

take what you're doing right now, which

28:48

is taking a Kindrick bar fan and

28:50

coming to you actually had Cobba

28:53

ground and then you decided to jackhammer it.

28:55

You had like I was like, hey, you're not a

28:57

huge I could live with that.

29:00

You were like, let me throw in a couple of things.

29:04

I like what he's saying. I just don't

29:06

like I

29:08

can I can say this. I'm very into people's

29:11

voices, right, so

29:14

that is important for

29:16

me, Like I listened to like

29:18

the quality, the timber

29:21

of someone's the musicality of

29:23

someone's voice. Right. So

29:26

to me, if you sound

29:28

like you should be standing next to Gonzo, I'm

29:31

not. I'm not really gonna

29:34

be so I will. I will ask you

29:36

this question about club hits in

29:38

general. I understand what you're saying about

29:41

the consciousness sometimes being a bit too much,

29:43

but here's the thing. I there's

29:47

two points that I basically want to try to make

29:49

simultaneously, So address whichever one

29:51

of them first that you that you feel needs

29:53

addressing one. I would

29:56

make conscious socially

29:58

conscious rap only a

30:01

part of the pie of what I feel like conscious

30:04

rap is. Sometimes I think conscious

30:06

rap is just all outright lyricism,

30:08

like like outright saying anything,

30:11

because because I understand the socially conscious

30:13

stuff is is exhausting to a to a

30:15

degree, especially when you live in and you know, being

30:18

at the daily show, we have to read about it and like

30:20

work in it. So I understand

30:22

needing a break and not being like I want

30:24

to reminder of what I left when I go home.

30:27

But I think that when

30:29

you take the time to put in

30:32

incredible alliteration and like

30:34

all of these aspects of poetry into

30:36

your lyrics, I I personally,

30:39

only me personally also put that in a

30:42

conscious vibe because

30:44

I'm so you think there aren't club rappers

30:47

that are writing good lyrics. I

30:49

think that there are some, But I think that

30:52

overall the same way that you told me

30:54

that like a at a certain point

30:56

we we get it. I

30:58

think that that's how I feel about a club hits because

31:00

I'm like, here are all the things that I

31:03

at least because because of

31:05

who I am, Because I'm like, you know, you know

31:07

me, but if if you're listening, you

31:09

might not. I'm like a nerd. I'm like,

31:11

I'm like a pretty

31:13

uh would you what would you call

31:16

it? I'm like, you got that book learning person,

31:18

you know, yeah, you got the book learning you

31:20

real chill um. I

31:22

mean, I don't have this much with the club

31:24

themes, so that that's why I'm

31:26

that's what knocks me out of it, because I'm just like,

31:29

well, I don't drink um.

31:31

You know. I'm more of a relationship person. I don't I

31:35

can't do the the

31:37

the musition together with strangers, you

31:39

know, I have to. I have

31:41

to know a person. So a lot of that,

31:43

a lot of that stuff is out for me. I

31:46

mean, I'm not in the Harlot out here just

31:48

rubbing up against any man anytime dicking.

31:50

Jamal would say that

31:53

was that was it at all. I'm sorry, that's what knocks

31:55

me out. I'm not talking, I

31:57

hear you. I mean it's like you know, sometimes

32:00

you know, some man starts rubbing on you and You're like okay,

32:02

start get off me. You feel broke? Beat

32:05

it? Um? Wait wait wait wait wait

32:07

wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

32:09

wait wait waite. Sorry to digress

32:11

again, but how does somebody

32:14

dance broke? How

32:17

does somebody dance

32:20

behind you broke? It's

32:22

a feeling, It's it's

32:25

a vibe, it's a it's just a it's

32:27

just a knowing. Like I've only probably

32:30

been in a relationship like one really good man and

32:33

he was a convicted felon, so,

32:37

which is neither here nor

32:39

there. So just

32:42

like the American justice system

32:44

hates us. Uh. But

32:47

like, for instance, I can spot a trash ass

32:49

dude from fifty paces. I could

32:51

feel him right, just like I always

32:53

know when I see a theater kid. You always know,

32:55

like within five seconds of talking to somebody, Like

32:58

when people are like I'm a comic and I was like, no, you're

33:00

an open micer, like stop, um,

33:03

it's kind of like the same kind of thing. But

33:05

there have been times where you just be out and some dude

33:08

to just come up behind you and you're just like, dude, no,

33:10

because like some days you go out you're like I just want to dance

33:13

with my friends. I'm not here to give some man a partial

33:15

erection. Get off me right

33:17

now, this is my question. So

33:20

I had a dude we were out one night because

33:22

like I quit wearing heels to the club because I was just

33:24

like it, right,

33:27

I don't want to be in this girl. I don't want to be in the group

33:29

of girls around a pile of shoes, like I'm okay,

33:32

keep dropping cups in here, the floora's slippery,

33:34

my busting my ass, this is all a fire

33:36

has it. I'm not doing it. But this

33:39

dude came up behind me one time at a club in Atlanta

33:42

and I was

33:44

dancing and then he came up behind

33:46

me and I stopped moving and

33:51

he was like hey, and I was like no, and

33:53

he started hitting me on my side and I'm

33:55

like, sir, i am not sea biscuit. Stop

33:58

hitting me on my side. I'm

34:01

not I'm not doing it. No, thank

34:03

you. And when he came up behind me,

34:05

I was just like, I feel

34:07

unsavory individual. Uh,

34:12

Like sometimes you're just known as a criminal behind

34:14

Like sometimes you just know that like this is not a

34:16

good part. There's plans of them and tricked

34:18

just recently, just fooled.

34:21

But also sometimes you just want to go out.

34:23

You wanna be with your friends, and I don't want some man behind

34:25

me like off me, get

34:28

off beat a nerd. So like

34:31

I understand, but there is those times I'm

34:33

like listening to like you know, club hits

34:35

and stuff like that where I'm just like, all

34:37

right, yeah, we're drinking again. We're drinking

34:39

again, we're taking all the drugs again. We're getting

34:42

these hos not as other ships. So it's

34:46

just you can get

34:48

too full of one or the other. Right,

34:51

It's like when you go to like a Latin club and they're just like, Okay,

34:53

we're gonna play get for a little bit. We're gonna

34:55

pay up, but I chopped for a little bit. We're playing sausa

34:57

for a little bit. Because like if you're just hearing like a

34:59

salt like salsa all night long,

35:02

or by Chocolate about anger or any of that, because

35:06

of the dance that you do to those songs

35:08

is basically the same melody just

35:10

said a little bit different, and then it's just someone else

35:12

singing about being in love. So after

35:15

a certain point you're just like, I can't hear this

35:17

song again. But if you put on swavea mentate

35:20

it's going down. Please know that about

35:22

me. But like

35:25

I feel the way about Swave and mentate, like I feel about nuk

35:27

a few buck, Like that's where I am with

35:29

both of It's just like if it comes on, I

35:31

go all the words it's going

35:33

down. We used to singing in the hallway in my high school.

35:36

Um so just

35:39

somebody just being the halve and somebody else save

35:41

a man thing and everybody going

35:43

to classic Bessiman and

35:45

then we keep going to class. So

35:47

also in the Joe to see who. Yeah, we had

35:49

fun. So but

35:52

it does get to a point where you're just like I

35:55

can't hear about this club shot anymore. I

35:57

can't hear about the social shit anymore. You

35:59

just have to. That's why I can confusing

36:01

people like don't listen like different genres of music,

36:04

Like so this is all you

36:06

listen to. I have met people like

36:08

that. It's wild.

36:11

I'll throw on it like it's listenly

36:13

I have Like the other day I listened to Ariana

36:16

Grande but chat to song and

36:19

then a gospel song

36:21

and this was one two three yeah.

36:24

Yeah. So it's

36:26

like people people

36:28

who would agree with me about conscious

36:30

rap that only

36:33

listened to it and they're too much for me. I'm

36:35

like, hey, unless you unless you're

36:37

gonna go do something. We can't just sit here like

36:41

I've been. I've been in those sessions where you

36:43

just chill with a fread and they're like, oh yeah,

36:46

put on put on that other album, put on

36:48

that other album. And I'm like, this

36:50

clearly doesn't motivate you to do anything because

36:54

because they're sad, Josh, because

36:57

they're sad. At least when you're

36:59

listening to a little John you just want to get up and run

37:01

around or just yell yeah, like you want

37:03

to do something.

37:06

Yeah, but is the

37:08

style tractor my friends getting arrested that

37:10

like, like I'm telling

37:12

you, that's I think that's the other reason

37:14

why I don't vide with club

37:16

stuff as much, because I just have a lot of bad

37:19

memory. Okay, this is that

37:21

this may have to be cut. This is five though, But

37:23

I went to a club one time where it was

37:26

a local you talked about you don't

37:28

want to hear local conscious

37:30

wrap. That's like what's going on over there?

37:33

What I tell you that a lot of because

37:36

you're from Atlanta, So I think I think I can

37:38

safely say you've been spoiled with good

37:41

like underground hip hop

37:43

beats good. I know, a lot of it's trash.

37:45

A lot of the time, you'll see some dude

37:48

and you're at a club or something or a

37:50

bar. You're at a club and then they'll

37:52

just have some local act come up

37:54

and just tell you what's happening on, like Bouldercrest

37:57

and you're just like, yeah, that's

37:59

one great dude, or like whatever they're

38:01

doing on the South Side, and

38:03

I'm like, hey, man, like you

38:05

gotta also, I think you're

38:08

dry snitching first and foremost,

38:10

yeah, foremost,

38:13

that's that's I think that's my other issue is that

38:15

a lot of these these club hits

38:18

are not they're not put together

38:20

in the most creative way. So then you just

38:23

end up presenting Exhibit A in

38:25

court like like you don't you

38:27

don't have anything else? Does that you don't have any

38:29

sort of flowery language to hide

38:32

the fact that this is exactly what you did,

38:34

Like yeah, it's like okay,

38:36

and I shot him and it was like the you know, there's

38:39

like a whole camp sketch about it where

38:41

but it was Tuesday and yeah, and

38:44

you're like, guys, you're making

38:46

me nervous because I'm here to watch the show like

38:49

they might, I'm an accessory

38:51

to what's happening right now. But it's like,

38:54

but I think they're there's a place for both

38:56

of them. I just think for me, it's I

38:58

mean, I do understand that it's a way to let

39:00

people know who aren't on

39:04

the up and up when it comes to like getting

39:06

their news or before

39:09

there was like social media and you really

39:11

only knew you

39:13

didn't have a whole worldwide

39:17

kind of like perception of

39:19

what was really happening in other places.

39:22

So I think socially conscious rap could tell

39:24

you what was happening

39:26

somewhere else because the West Coast came out with

39:28

some club boppers. The South known for it.

39:31

But like I don't know, because

39:34

like you know, when I like, you

39:36

know, one of our friends just constantly

39:39

likes to ship on like Southern hip hop because

39:42

he thinks that Northern hip hop is better. And

39:44

I'm just like, what do you niggas do when you go

39:46

to the club? Truly,

39:48

truly, if you're in here playing

39:51

Wu Tang all that, what are you really

39:54

Because the thing is they're talking about that much

39:56

different ship. It's it's

39:58

just the beat is different, like your sho was

40:00

like how they sound and what

40:02

the beat sounds like. But it's like, no

40:05

one's really I've never

40:07

been because even like those fucking like

40:09

spoken with shows are kind of depressing. The

40:12

neo soul shows is just like, Okay,

40:14

everyone in here is you're currently

40:17

I don't know how you burn in sense in your own dreads,

40:19

but whatever. So it's

40:21

like I get it, alright. White man's

40:23

religion is trash, got it, got it, got

40:25

it, got it. These crystals will help you. Coo

40:28

coo coo coo cool, that's what you believe in. Fine,

40:30

funk with it. But you get in those

40:32

shows, I'm just like, Okay, everyone's in earth tones

40:35

and they're still talking about

40:38

fucking. Like that's the thing at

40:40

the end of the day. Everybody's talking about

40:42

fucking, and whatever way you're

40:44

doing it, you're

40:46

talking about fucking. So like I think,

40:49

like one of the best examples like a socially conscious

40:51

rap song that I could funk with. It's like,

40:53

you know, the Tupac song Brenda is having a baby, great

40:57

example of a socially

40:59

conscious that you can bop.

41:02

Right, It's like damn team pregnancy as

41:04

a problem in our community. Also

41:07

a I

41:14

also was like in college when

41:17

like a Little John was popping off, when

41:19

a whole krunk music ship was popping off,

41:21

I was in college. Yeah,

41:23

well that's That's a huge thing with music, though,

41:26

is that I've been told and

41:28

this is not it's not science or anything, but

41:31

I haven't been seeing it proved wrong

41:33

yet that whatever you listened to in high

41:35

school and the early part of college

41:37

is going to be music to you forever. You're

41:39

never gonna get broken from that thing. Like

41:41

if you liked a specific

41:44

thing when you were in high school, even if

41:46

you veer away from it, you're always gonna

41:48

have a soft spot for like that

41:50

that little piece of the genre, right

41:53

like I always like, you know, it's like I was

41:55

also in like middle school and like when

41:57

Nirvana was popping off, or like um,

42:01

the amount of hood at the amount of I

42:05

don't think that the Red Hot Chili Peppers

42:07

know how many black people fun with them. I

42:09

don't think they know. I don't think they would know.

42:12

They would I think they I think

42:14

they might notice that there

42:16

are plenty of them at the concert, But I

42:18

don't think they They don't know

42:21

enough to then be

42:23

like we would like to do the Source Awards.

42:26

I don't know if it's that deep. I'll

42:29

say that it's like all

42:34

the subourbon black people I knew

42:36

really funk with them.

42:38

I think about like there's so many times where I was

42:41

like trying to like listen to socially

42:43

conscious Wrap and been like okay,

42:46

and I feel like I should be taking notes. Like

42:48

every time I listened to one of

42:50

those songs, I'm just like, oh, we

42:52

have such we have such Like it's just like it's

42:55

holding a mirror up to America.

42:58

It's holding up your mirrors up here, like experience

43:00

as a black person in America.

43:04

And I'm just like I don't want

43:06

this. I don't want this. Um.

43:10

I mean, I understand what

43:13

you're saying, but like I think, like when it comes to

43:15

like the lyrics, because

43:17

like we can all we can both

43:20

agree that like little Wayne

43:22

is Lwayne is amazing, Like

43:26

the use of a metaphor the use of as simile,

43:28

like the imagery is ship like it's you

43:30

can do. I so

43:32

appreciate the concession that you're

43:35

making at the common ground that you're trying

43:37

to build, but I

43:41

Little Wayne is my one where

43:43

I'm like, I

43:46

don't don't really care. Okay,

43:48

here's the thing. I respect his you

43:50

know, people talk about lyricism, people talk about

43:53

his um adaptability and

43:55

how he's kept his music

43:57

consistently relevant over the years.

43:59

I completely respect that. But overall,

44:01

if you want to talk about voices, you want to talk about Kendrick's

44:04

voice, Little Wayne. I

44:06

don't six babies that got possessed

44:09

by one big baby all talking at the same

44:12

time. I've never heard

44:14

I've never heard Little Wayne

44:16

sound like a grown man. You

44:19

did his first album when he was fourteen.

44:21

What's confusing to me about Little Wayne is that

44:24

he had a deeper voice at fourteen

44:27

then he does right now. But it's

44:30

just the way he performs. It's just his performance

44:32

voice, I guess, because I

44:34

think when you hear him talking like an interview,

44:38

he does sound like an adult. But then

44:40

he sounds dangerous. And I'm like, no, if

44:42

I don't know, if we could be friends, okay,

44:45

we book know you'd never be friends. A little I

44:48

could try.

44:49

I mean, listen,

44:51

honestly, everybody has somebody to talk

44:53

to, you know, maybe I can. It's

44:56

so funny because I have ever had been friends with somebody

44:58

and when of your other friends was like I wouldn't

45:01

expect you to be friends with them, and you just go, I

45:03

don't know what that means, but it sounds like disrespect.

45:05

Yeah, yeah, like, oh

45:07

your friends, I wouldn't have expected that. I'm like, I

45:09

don't know if we're gonna I didn't see that coming,

45:11

Like I don't know if we're gonna stay friends. We can have in this conversation,

45:14

but like, okay,

45:16

it's like I understand, Like

45:18

my concession would be, it's

45:22

reporting the news, right, it

45:24

is telling what's happening in your hood because sometimes

45:26

like you feel like what's happening to

45:28

you where you live, sometimes

45:31

feel like this is the only You're the only one going

45:33

through that. So like

45:35

when it's like when you have like more visibility

45:38

of like when you just incruise visibility

45:41

of different groups of people, so like

45:43

you know, minority groups, people with different

45:46

like you know, plus

45:48

size people, people in the disabled community,

45:50

people in the l G B, t q I A community,

45:52

you know, the B I, P O C community, like all

45:55

of these groups like we're not We're starting

45:57

to see more, right, You're

45:59

like okay, It's like it's almost like a representation

46:02

thing. Which is like, oh, so you know how

46:04

your hood is sucked up. Guess what,

46:06

my hood is also fucked up? What's

46:09

happening over here? I can understand.

46:11

I can give you that concession work and kind of just

46:13

show people like you're not the only ones

46:15

going through this. Sure, but

46:18

at the same time, you

46:20

can't play it at a party though. My

46:23

concession to you is that

46:27

I definitely, definitely have

46:29

enjoyed many club hits

46:31

over the years, and while I don't

46:34

always I don't always

46:36

vibe with everything that comes out, there's

46:38

usually one about each

46:41

topic that I'm like, Okay,

46:43

I ride with this, this is this

46:45

is like, so, so you know we talked about

46:48

uh, money, sex, alcohol,

46:50

all the stuff I have. At least every

46:52

year, I feel like I have at least one money song,

46:55

one alcohol song, one sex song out

46:57

of the out of the club hits that

46:59

I that's just to me undeniably good,

47:02

And for that reason, I can understand why

47:04

going down that rabbit hole more, I

47:06

might. I'm I might be more

47:09

into club hits eventually. Okay,

47:12

now listen, now, when I find me a husban,

47:15

right, maybe

47:18

it'll be easy to find one. When I start saying the word correctly.

47:20

I don't know. Um,

47:22

of course you would be right. Its in my wedding right now.

47:27

On the program

47:30

for the wedding, it will

47:32

have a designated time to

47:35

swag surf. It

47:39

is going to happen. Okay,

47:42

how do you feel about that song? I can

47:45

start preparing now and then

47:47

and then I think I'll be good to go. So

47:49

you don't know how to swag serve. I don't know how

47:51

to swags serve. Well, m

47:53

m, that's not required. The way

47:56

that I swag serve though most

47:59

of the dance is I think I know how to do. I've

48:01

been told to stop. Yeah,

48:05

okay. Now go to a club and I try

48:07

to dance toward these club hits,

48:10

I'm you, I usually end up having to apologize

48:12

to somebody because I don't know how it is that

48:15

that no one else is knocking drinkside

48:17

of people's hands. It's just me, But I'm

48:19

I'm trying to stay corey, I'm trying to stay on

48:21

beat. As

48:24

someone who has known you for a few years now, you

48:27

do strike me as someone who has

48:30

a body that would

48:32

not match up well to music. This is

48:34

exactly like the Kendrick that because

48:36

I already said what I did. I didn't

48:38

need you to add to the thing. Thank you

48:41

so much for listening to our podcast,

48:43

Hold up or is it called hold up? Hold

48:45

Up? There is no way

48:48

that we can get off a podcast

48:50

talking about club hits without

48:53

talking about the song that has caused us

48:55

the most amount of contention. And what are

48:57

you talking about? You know exactly this I'm

49:00

talking about. Don't you look at me. I

49:02

tend to wipe things that I think are absolute

49:04

trash from memory. I I tend to I

49:07

tend to try to scrub that out

49:09

of my consciousness. Don't act like

49:11

you don't know what I'm talking about. That's right, the

49:13

amazing crime Mob hit Nuck

49:16

if You Buck. Don't act like I wasn't

49:18

gonna bring it up. Here's the thing, here's

49:20

the here's the Nuck

49:24

if You Buck is probably

49:27

one of the songs that I'm

49:29

most despise because it's

49:31

not It's not only is

49:33

it not good flies,

49:37

it just doesn't make any

49:39

sense to me. So we were having a thing at

49:42

work one day. We were talking about if

49:44

there was a new Negro spiritual.

49:47

I cannot believe we went this long without bringing us up. If

49:49

there was a new Negro spiritual, what would

49:51

it be? I of course said

49:55

nuck if you buck. Josh came

49:57

out of fucking not even left field

49:59

the parking lot of

50:01

a baseball game and said

50:05

Georgia, but not the

50:08

Ray Charles version of Georgia,

50:10

the ludicrous version with

50:13

Jamie Fox singing the Ray

50:15

Charles verse. I didn't

50:18

know. I thought it had to be a hip hop song. If

50:20

I had known, it was just completely I picked a

50:22

hip hop was just an any

50:26

song in the realm of blackness.

50:29

I picked nuck if you buck. That has brought

50:32

many people together but also divided so

50:34

many and you pis rested as

50:36

many people as it has set free one.

50:38

The issue was you brought up a song that only

50:41

I knew and you knew anyone

50:44

else in the conversation because it was right. I'm talking

50:47

right, I did that, and I

50:49

made it just you and me thing because it

50:51

was just you with me. I didn't know you were gonna blast it out

50:53

to the rest of the office. It wasn't blast It wasn't

50:56

blasted out like that. It wasn't blasted out

50:58

like that because there were other black people standing the room.

51:00

We're having this conversation, and they all leached you,

51:02

like, what song is that? Even Alonso

51:05

Boden, Uncle Alonso,

51:08

who was in the office one day, said

51:10

knock a few buck, of course, and

51:12

he knew the song. Even someone

51:15

who's not even who's black, who wouldn't even

51:17

grow up in America, who

51:20

is British, was like, of course, not if you buck? And

51:22

I said why and They're like, because how it makes

51:24

you feel? Now I understand

51:27

that you don't like this song because what did you tell

51:29

me? It sounds like to you. I

51:32

don't remember. I can tell you because it hurt

51:34

me. You said, but it hurt

51:37

because it was accurate. Okay, it didn't hurt me, hurt

51:39

me. But I was like, damn, he's right, you said

51:41

that nuck if you buck sounds like a

51:43

G. E. D getting thrown down the hallway

51:46

of a juvenile detention center. I

51:49

do recall that. Now. Yeah, Now,

51:51

anyone I've ever said that too has been like, he's

51:53

completely accurate. But the

51:56

song still slaps. That song still

51:58

slaps. Oh okay. And the

52:00

thing is this became a running thing in

52:03

the office. So me being

52:05

the individual that I am, got

52:08

Josh a trophy that said

52:10

for knocking and bucking and being ready

52:12

to fight Josh

52:14

Johnson. Now I was gonna say first place,

52:17

but I was telling Roy about it, and Roy said, not put

52:20

runner up, which makes it so

52:22

much funnier, It makes it so much mainer. And

52:25

you also it

52:30

was it was it was I felt hazed because

52:32

I was I was new. I didn't

52:34

like I hadn't been at the show that long and I and

52:37

you mailed it to me. You did. You couldn't just bring

52:39

it to me like a regular Christian. You mailed

52:41

it to me. So then I got sent down

52:44

to security to get

52:46

my mail and I was excited because I had

52:48

never got mail at the show before. I was like, who

52:50

knows that I'm here? And I opened it

52:52

up and it was that travesty the

53:00

way you looked when you walked in my office

53:02

holding it down by your side. You

53:06

know, if you've made it this far and listening to the podcast,

53:08

you're absolutely Jim, you really appreciate

53:11

you. I just want to thank you all for me, for

53:14

us listening. I didn't want to bring up

53:17

not a few buck at the beginning conversation because I didn't

53:19

want Josh to be mad at me the entire time.

53:22

Um, but we had to bring

53:24

up the Pinnacle. I mean we talked about Little John. We have talked

53:26

about the Pinnacle Club hit

53:29

the Banger All Bangers,

53:32

Okay, Banger of All Banks,

53:34

really making me regret my concession. Um. Thank

53:37

you so much for listening. I'm Josh Johnson

53:40

and I'm doing Say Sloan and

53:43

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53:48

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53:52

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53:55

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54:00

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