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is now the best state in America. Student

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debt is coming for your grandma, and Beyonce

1:03

is making a whole new album. So

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let's do this people. Let's jump straight into today's

1:08

headlines. Okay,

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all right. Before we get into the big stories,

1:18

let's catch up on a few other things going on

1:20

in the news. First things first, according

1:23

to astronomers, the Earth is

1:25

actually spinning faster than ever

1:28

before, and because of that, it

1:30

recently set the record for the shortest

1:32

day ever. Yeah. June

1:35

was apparently one point five nine milliseconds

1:37

shorter than a normal day. Yeah,

1:42

and that's how you know things are going bad. Even though Earth is like all right,

1:44

let's wrap this up. Let's go, let's go, Let's keep things moving.

1:46

Let's keep things going one point

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five nine minute seconds faster. I mean,

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you do know what this means. Right, We'll get to leave

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work one point five nine million seconds earlier. It

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also gives people a great excuse if they get pulled

2:03

over. It's like, sure, if you've been drinking the earth,

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this brisier is making

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me dizzy, man, then why don't we all dizzy? I'm

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too drunk git to that questa. Meanwhile,

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in environmental news, a man in Utah

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has been arrested for accidentally

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starting a sixty acre wildfire

2:22

while trying to burn a spider with a cigarette

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lights. And

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yes, this sounds terrible,

2:31

but I bet that spider learned his lesson.

2:34

You've learned that spider. In

2:37

entertainment news, Brad Pitt wore a

2:39

skirt to his latest movie premiere, and

2:41

when he was asked why he did it, he said, quote,

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we're all going to die, so let's just have

2:47

some fun before we get out. Yeah,

2:50

and I I love that. What an inspirational

2:52

way to say. It's laundry day. It's

2:56

also been like two hundred degrees outside every day.

2:58

The question isn't why is Brad Pitt wearing a skirt? It's

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why isn't every guy wearing a skirt? You're

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kidding me? If you fall out? What's it is? Out? There's

3:06

a fabric on both sides. Everything is cooped

3:08

up. You walk outside

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of you. You would spend five minutes in this weather

3:12

before you know what. You're walking around with two lightly poached

3:14

eggs in your pants. You gonna let

3:17

a breathe. Oh

3:20

oh, this is okay. This is a wild story and

3:23

travel news. Airbnb has announced

3:25

that it will no longer allow people to

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list former slave cabins as

3:30

vacation rentals after one listing

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caused an uproar online. And

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this must be one of those things that's probably

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white people. I mean no, because

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as a black person, there's no way I'm vacationing

3:42

in a slave cabin. I don't care if it's a former slave

3:44

cabin. I don't care if it's renovated. There's no black person's

3:46

like, yeah, this is where I want to spend my vacation. So

3:49

good for a BnB. I will say this. If I owned a

3:51

BnB, I wouldn't cancel these listings. I

3:53

would say, yeah, you can stay there if you want, but

3:55

you're gonna have to have the real experience. Yeah,

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to surprise those bodg ins with the cabinet

4:01

six and I'm like, here's your brass, get fell out up,

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whip your I guess when it see when it was

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like, well, now you're seeing. But

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anyway, let's move on to some of the bigger news stories

4:11

of the day. First up, yesterday,

4:13

we had another round of primary

4:15

elections in America, and I'm just gonna

4:17

say this, this country has too many elections. All

4:20

right. Every week it's like it's

4:22

time to vote. But we voted last week. Now that was

4:24

the vote to vote for who we're voting for this week.

4:27

Then we'll vote on when we'll vote for the

4:29

next vote vote vote, vote, vote vote vote

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vote vote. So

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let's check in on the results of these

4:35

votes in our ongoing

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coverage of Vote DEMI. So,

4:48

last night was a very good night

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for Donald Jigney puff Trump. In

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Michigan, his candidate defeats

4:55

in a Republican who votes to impeach him. In

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Arizona, his candidates

5:00

won the primaries for Senate and Secretary

5:02

of States, and in Missouri, the

5:05

eric he endorsed beats the

5:07

other Eric that he endorsed was

5:11

the best night for Trump he's had that didn't end with someone

5:13

signing an NDA. And these Arizona

5:15

races could have national implications

5:18

because these Republicans, you have to

5:20

understand, the ones who are winning now, they all

5:22

believe in crazy conspiracy

5:25

theories about Biden stealing

5:27

the election. In so

5:30

if they win the final races, they

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could end up in charge of counting the

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votes in I

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don't know about you, but I know for certain I do not trust

5:39

them with that job. Can you imagine what will be like? All

5:43

right, another vote, another vote for Trump,

5:45

that's a Trump vote. That's another that's a

5:47

Trump. Yeah, I saw that that was Trump. What

5:50

you're doing there? That's not Yeah, that's a not I'm counting

5:52

that's Trump as well. Yeah, put it in, but that's

5:54

it Trump again? What what? What would

5:56

you look at that that person spent Trump rock he's had

5:59

b I D and yet tell

6:01

Trump what? Thanks spell the wrong? That's

6:03

all right? What's the final chilie? What that Trump

6:06

won? Brazilian Biden minus chant?

6:08

I think I did a good job. Don't

6:11

shadow warning now

6:15

there is there is some good news

6:18

other than the Trump virus spreading through the

6:20

Republican Party like Vetna. Last night

6:22

was actually a really good night for anyone

6:25

who believes a woman should ever right to choose

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what happens in her own body. And it's all

6:29

thanks to Kansas and conservative

6:32

Kansas. This morning a political earth

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plate and a big win for abortion

6:36

rights supporters. Kansas voters

6:39

rejecting an amendment that would have removed abortion

6:41

protections from the state constitution, in

6:44

effect keeping access to the procedure

6:46

there. The turnout on a hundred

6:48

degree day in the middle of summer

6:50

was fifty three, historically

6:53

high. They've never seen anything like this.

6:56

This is Barack Obama's numbers

6:58

on stay stood up and

7:00

said, now, we're the first ones

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to say now, so I'm just I'm

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overjoyed. Wow, Kansas.

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Amazing, absolutely amazing.

7:13

Congratulations Kansas. It's

7:15

moments like these. I wish I knew

7:17

which one of these states you were, But

7:20

either way, congratulations, not

7:23

for real or for real. This is a huge pro choice

7:25

victory, and it's especially amazing that it happened

7:28

in Kansas, a state so read that Trump wanted

7:30

by fourteen points. Yeah, no

7:32

one expected this. This was a bigger shock than

7:35

when bat Girl found out that her real nemesis

7:37

of the CEO of Warner Brothers. And this is where you

7:39

realize, This is where you realize

7:41

as well, the anti abortion

7:43

views of right wing

7:45

lawmakers and some people on the Supreme

7:48

Court they don't mirror what actual Americans

7:51

wants, all right, that's

7:55

not not true. And

7:58

that's a huge problem in this country. It's

8:00

like letting the craziest dude in your friend group

8:03

plan your bachelor party. You're

8:05

gonna be like, I just wanted to play beer pong. How did

8:07

we end up in a Bangkok present? Not cool?

8:09

Samuel oh

8:13

In, speaking of earth shattering news, Beyonce

8:17

is changing her album again. Yeah.

8:21

First she took out the word spas

8:23

from a song because some people complained that

8:25

it was ablest right, And now she's

8:28

removing a sample from one of her

8:30

other songs because Kellyes complained that

8:32

she didn't get any credit from it. And

8:35

look, I get what Beyonce is doing. It's

8:37

very nice, but

8:40

I also should point out this could turn

8:42

into a major disaster because

8:44

you realize now, depending on when

8:47

you listen to the album, you could

8:49

be hearing completely different songs. Yeah,

8:52

it's just gonna change. You don't even know whether thing is gonna be like

8:54

I heard you won't break by Soul and then someone else

8:56

just like you won't score rock goal or someone I was like,

8:58

someone check this mode. You don't know. Can

9:01

you imagine the chaos? Who's gonna cause? Yeah,

9:07

the next time you gotta Beyonce concert is gonna

9:09

be like everyone's sing along. We're gonna be like wa which

9:12

treasure? Oh

9:17

and because Beyonce is now taking

9:19

requests, Monica Lewinsky sent out

9:21

a tweet basically saying, what

9:24

about removing her name in one

9:26

of Beyonce's old songs Partition?

9:28

All Right, it's a song where Beyonce sag he Monica

9:31

Lewinsky all on my gown? Yeah,

9:35

And I mean, I think we can all see why Monica

9:38

wouldn't want that in the song. And

9:41

for me personally, I also think Beyonce

9:43

should change in the song because it's not right

9:46

technically. It should be he Bill Clinton on

9:48

my gown because that's the guy who

9:50

did all the jizzy. You

9:53

gotta remember who did the thing. I'm

9:56

not saying Beyonce did anything wrong. I'm just saying, Beyonce, you

9:58

have to understand with the way in school's teach history.

10:01

Your songs might be the only way children learned.

10:03

It needs to be accurate. Ponce is

10:07

so, whether you agree with it or not, Beyonce has made her choice

10:10

and good for her. In fact, you know what

10:12

I think they should say. Some answers have to be forced

10:14

to do it. Beyonce was nice. Some answers have to be

10:16

forced like R Kelly.

10:19

Yeah, part of his sentence should be that he has to go back

10:22

and redo all of his old songs because

10:25

age is not just the number. Yeah,

10:28

we're back in the studio. My mind's telling

10:30

me no, and not my body understands why it's no.

10:32

My body completely understands. My body

10:35

completely understands. At

10:41

speaking of people who wish they could go back and change the past,

10:43

Alex Jones, far right wing commentator

10:46

and man who makes Donald Trump look like a reasonable human

10:48

being, is currently on trial for

10:50

spreading lies about the Sandy

10:53

Hook shooting rights, saying

10:55

that it was all a hoax, and today

10:57

in the trial, one of the funniest moments came

11:00

when he found out that

11:02

his inept lawyer had screwed up

11:04

and sent the prosecution evidence that

11:07

proved Alex Jones committed

11:10

perjury, Mr Jones, did

11:13

you know that twelve days ago, twelve

11:15

days ago, your attorney's messed

11:18

up and sitting me an entire

11:20

digital copy of your entire

11:22

cell phone with every text message

11:25

you've sent for the past two years,

11:27

and when informed, did not take

11:29

any steps to identify it as privilege

11:32

or protected in any way. And as

11:34

of two days ago, it fell free and clear into

11:36

my possession. And that is how I know you

11:38

died to me when you said you didn't have text

11:41

messages about Samuel. Did you know that I was

11:43

mistaking and I was just taking But you've got the lessers,

11:46

right, I mean, I'm not a tech guy. I told

11:48

you I gave in my test mooney the

11:50

phone to the lawyers before or whatever

11:53

and showing you've got my phone, but we didn't give

11:55

it to you. Now, Mr Jones, Oh

12:03

ship, that was funny. Oh

12:05

man. I like how he was. He was so shocked.

12:07

He started turning into every emoji he was like. At

12:13

one point he even tried to give himself COVID. Do

12:15

you see that I can't speak, you

12:17

know, the disease? I said, it's fake. Yeah, I got it. I've

12:20

got it now, I got it. You know you're

12:22

in trouble when the truth chokes you up like you want an episode

12:24

of Hot Ones, you know with those spicy wings. Is like, I'm

12:27

sorry, what did I say? Ha ha? But

12:29

you realize, you realize this moment, this moment is

12:31

huge, right because it shows that Alex Joe

12:34

was probably committed perjury, which

12:36

means Alex Jones lies about stuff.

12:40

Yeah, I know that's shocking because now I'm starting

12:42

to wonder, does that mean camp trails from planes

12:44

aren't turning the frog's game? Was

12:47

that also alive? By

12:49

the way, where did you get that? Lawyer? We

12:53

just were just talking about that because you

12:55

see how the lawyers are sitting there like blah blah. But

13:00

ev I

13:02

would love to be there for the classic lawyer clan conversation

13:04

during recess and we're just standing together. So how

13:07

do you think it's going. It's like, well, apart

13:09

from the fact that I screwed this whole thing up

13:11

worse than any lawyer in history, I think we should have a

13:13

shot. I think we should have a shot. All right,

13:15

that's it for the headlines. But before we go to a quick break, that's

13:17

check it on the stock market without very on finance expert

13:20

Michael cost to everybody, Michael

13:25

the market a crazy man. What's

13:28

happening in the market today. I'm crushing it

13:30

man. Uh, I'm

13:33

like Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker

13:35

because I'm in crush our too, Ladies

13:37

and Johanna, And

13:39

I got a hot tip for you. You want to make some money like

13:41

Costom makes money, all right, I got a hot tip

13:44

for you, So pay attention. All right. So okay, what we

13:46

got here is the last five months

13:48

the gasoline price. Actually before you

13:51

get that story about the Airbnb slavery

13:54

story, Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, look,

13:56

they shouldn't be renting that out, but I appreciate

13:58

them being onst You know, every

14:01

time I rent an Airbnb, they're not honest

14:03

about the pictures you said. You

14:05

said it was a two bedroom quaint apartment. I didn't

14:08

know a quaint meant haunted. Okay, let's

14:11

be honest. Airbnb is just catfish

14:13

for a house. Okay. Like

14:16

I don't want to sleep where slavery happened. I prefer

14:18

a hotel. I'd rather sleep where lifeless,

14:20

middle aged missionary position sex

14:22

happen. But this

14:26

is terrible. I mean marketing off of slavery

14:28

is not cool. Using slavery to make a buck,

14:31

exploiting suffering. And that's why I don't

14:33

use Airbnb instead, Trevor, I'm

14:36

a slave to bargain hotels dot

14:38

net book a bargain

14:41

today. Let's

14:43

just get to the chart. Okay, So these

14:46

are the gas actually actually that other story about

14:48

the earth spinning the earth

14:50

spinning, so fat. I'm a financial expert.

14:52

I'm not a scientist, but I'm pretty sure this

14:54

is happening because of the large population in

14:56

Asia. Okay, think about it.

14:59

If one part of the Earth is a lot heavier

15:01

than the other, when

15:03

the earth spins, okay,

15:06

spinning, spinning, spinning gets to Asia, when

15:08

whip spend gets to Asia, whipp

15:11

think about it, think about

15:14

it. You know what, You're right, You're not a scientist, just tells what's

15:16

happening in This is

15:18

the price of gasoline over the last five

15:20

months, and it's been a wild ride. Okay.

15:23

This is reminds me of the last time I took ayahuasca

15:25

and went on the sea train. Okay, I mean those

15:28

showtime guys, I thought they were my father.

15:30

Okay, but look, here's the good news. Alright,

15:32

the price of gas is back

15:35

down. Now. The bad news is that as gasoline

15:37

gets cheaper, arson is gonna

15:39

go up. Okay, it's just

15:42

so much cheaper to commit arson

15:44

now even I've been thinking

15:47

about it more. Okay, Trevor,

15:49

between us guys, all right, it leaves

15:51

no evidence. You get the insurance

15:53

money, and it kills all the spiders.

15:57

Alright, hot tip, I promised you a hot tip, all

15:59

right. Book in a hotel room can feel like

16:01

a lot of labor. He's

16:03

the burden with bargain hotels

16:06

dot net. Tell him costa SA Do not

16:08

tell them cost to anything, Michael, cost to everybody.

16:13

I don't even want to know what that website is. All right, when we

16:15

come back, we're gonna be talking about how student debt

16:17

is out of control. So don't go away. Welcome

16:37

back to the Daily Show. Let's

16:40

talk about student debts. It's

16:42

as American as milk. That isn't milk.

16:46

Millions of Americans are college graduates,

16:48

which is great. College provides you job

16:50

skills, It exposes you some new ideas. It gives

16:53

you a friend named Chad who's like a brother, even

16:56

though he spilled bond water all inside your car

16:58

I love you, Chad, but you're a dick

17:02

because America doesn't properly subsidize

17:04

higher education like almost every other developed

17:06

nation in the world. The number of Americans

17:08

with student debt is higher now than

17:10

ever before, and student debt

17:13

is a lot like an STD. Yes,

17:15

you can get it by accidents in college, but

17:18

then it follows you around for the rest of your life. And

17:20

when I say the rest of your life, I mean

17:23

it. There is a ticking time

17:25

mom looming over the American economy.

17:27

Nearly two trillion dollars in student

17:30

loans owed by fifty million

17:32

borrowers. And this is not just a

17:34

problem for younger Americans. Those

17:37

over fifty years old have the fastest

17:39

growing student loan debt burden of any

17:41

and group of Americans sixty

17:44

and older are in default, and Washington

17:47

will collect by garnishing

17:49

the social security of seniors

17:51

in default. We met Sara Fina

17:53

Galante on the campus of San Diego

17:56

State. Galante had to pause making

17:58

payments four times various life

18:00

problems, but the bigger issue

18:03

she got older. She can only

18:05

work part time. Her monthly

18:07

payment one hundred seventy six dollars

18:10

is income based and doesn't even

18:12

cover the interest. This is gonna

18:14

follow you forever. This will follow me to

18:16

my grave. Yeah, when you

18:19

picture someone with student debt, you might think

18:21

the cost of girls, but you should

18:23

be thinking of the cost of golden girls.

18:27

Because eight million borrowers over fifty

18:29

whole, nearly a quarter of all federal

18:31

student debts. And the craziest

18:34

thing is some of them are even having their Social

18:36

Security checks garnished to

18:38

pay it off. And by the way, when they say

18:40

garnished, it means the money is taken out of

18:42

the check, all right. They're not putting a little postibly on the

18:44

Saturday checks and make it fancy. There's

18:47

a terrifying situation to be and it's embarrassing.

18:50

I mean, you heard that woman her loans might follow

18:52

her to her grave. That is disgusting. When

18:55

you know, when you're on your deathbed, you shouldn't be thinking about

18:57

college loans. You know, you should be thinking

19:00

of like a cool deathbed confession that will

19:02

mess with your family when you're guard you

19:04

know, I'll just be like your real father is keep

19:09

everybody guessing. The

19:13

point is American needs solutions

19:16

to the student debt crisis, and it could

19:18

be canceling student loans. It could be guaranteeing

19:20

free education. You know, it could even be punishing

19:23

colleges if their graduates can't get the jobs

19:25

that pay their loans. Yeah. I

19:28

think that's actually an interesting idea, because

19:31

you will be like, oh, come on here, you'll get a job. You'll get

19:33

a job, and then what happens if you don't. If I was a college dean,

19:35

I would be a lot more concerned about my students getting jobs

19:37

and graduating if otherwise I'd have to let them move in

19:39

with me. Then people will be committed, but like, dammit,

19:42

Chad, you're spelled bog water all over my fire.

19:45

I love you, but you're a deck. Whatever

19:47

the solution is, America cannot allow

19:49

people to be so burdened by debt it follows them

19:52

to the grave, especially because

19:55

it would make for a very awkward reading of the

19:57

will. Today

20:00

will be reading from the will of Stanley

20:02

McCormick, who

20:04

died at the age of eighty nine last

20:06

month while having sex on

20:09

a hot air balloon. That's

20:11

how he wanted to go. Mr

20:14

McCormick has left instructions for the

20:17

distribution of his estate. First,

20:20

his life savings, all of

20:22

which go to Brent.

20:26

I'm sorry who Brent as

20:31

the collection agent for

20:33

your dad's student loans. Sorry

20:37

for your loss. So dad

20:39

was paying student loans for sixty years,

20:42

just had fifty more years to go, poor

20:45

bastard. Let's move on to the material

20:47

assets. The car has been left

20:49

to Brent. I thought I was getting

20:51

the Turst cell the residents located

20:54

at one ten Pine Lane, Brent

20:56

score, the family China set

20:59

smoke old out of Poland at the

21:01

dawn of World War Two. Don't

21:04

say, Brent, Brent. Come

21:06

on, I don't even like cha, Brent. Can

21:08

we please have that one? It's really

21:10

special to our family. Don't worry. This is going

21:13

to bring the interest rate on his loan up to seven percent.

21:15

I'm sorry, it's going up to seven percent. Student

21:17

loans are funny. The

21:23

antique watch Brent,

21:27

the pipe collection Brent, the

21:29

beloved Banjoe Brent, keyboard

21:35

tickets Brent. And

21:38

finally his grandchildren's drawings

21:42

Brent. How are those going to pay down his loans?

21:44

And turned this ship into the n f T. And

21:47

that covers everything he

21:50

did not do well in life, that's for sure.

21:52

I didn't even know he went to college. Because

21:57

we get nothing. Didn't

21:59

you guys eat grant that stuff to pay up your student loans?

22:03

Shut up? Can get a little helpier. You gotta heavy word.

22:07

All right, Stay tuned because up to the break we're gonna find

22:09

out why fish Mike have feelings.

22:12

Don't go away. Welcome

22:27

back to the Data show. My guest tonight as

22:29

a rarely interesting young man by the name of Ryugi

22:32

Chuya. He's an activist and a filmmaker

22:34

who makes educational content about animal

22:36

rights. He's here to talk about his independent

22:39

documentary How Conscious Can

22:41

a Fish Be? Please welcome, Ryugi chiam

22:57

Welcome to the show. Thank you for much. It's

22:59

like such a honor. It's it's it's a

23:01

really interesting conversation that that

23:03

you're having, not just in this documentary but online.

23:05

You know what what I love about the world we live in today

23:08

is you can see so many interesting people,

23:10

so many different points of view, and it's all because

23:12

we're connected on social media. You've built up quite a following

23:15

as someone who is a passionate animal rights

23:17

activist, and this documentary in particular is

23:20

one where some people are shocked because they go,

23:22

wait, wait, real, really, you've gone too far,

23:24

you're saying that fish can

23:27

be conscious. Yeah, yeah,

23:32

So you know, the thing is that growing up I didn't

23:34

think this, right. I think, like many people, I

23:36

grew up to think that fish were these stupid, unconscious

23:38

animals who have a three second memory and can't feel

23:41

pain. And that would have been fine, forgivable

23:43

if I was like in sev. Three. But

23:46

the thing is that today there is a mountain of evidence

23:48

produced through years of research that suggests that

23:50

fish feel, think, and suffer like

23:53

dogs, cats and other animals. It's interesting

23:55

that you that you say that because, like, you know, when we when

23:57

we think about the world we're living in today, there's

23:59

no annying that. You know, we have to change

24:02

the ways we think about our food. There's no denying

24:04

that it's it's becoming unsustainable. It's also

24:06

terrible in the way that we treat animals, and you know, we we

24:08

we're just trying to make the world a better place.

24:11

Now. Many people say, oh, I can't be

24:13

vegan, but I am a vegetarian. Some people

24:15

say, well, I'm not that, but I'm pesctarian and I can

24:17

eat fish because I don't like how everything else happens.

24:20

But now you've basically come in and you've you've up ended that

24:22

whole thing because there are many people

24:24

are like, well I'm good I eat fish, and you're like, well, you're not as

24:26

good as you think. Well, it's not

24:28

about judging people and saying you're not as good as

24:30

you think. It's more about thinking about it from the animal's

24:33

perspective. So the reason that I'm vegan, for example,

24:35

is because I just look at things from the animals perspective and I

24:37

think to myself, would I want to be in their

24:39

shoes right or in their fins? Because maybe?

24:42

And the thing is that when you look at it

24:44

that way, well, the things

24:46

that we do, I think that we're missing two things. First

24:48

is the fact that for a lot of these animals, we stereotype

24:50

them in ways where we think that you know, we call

24:52

animals in farms life stock.

24:55

We almost look at them like as something, not as

24:57

someone, when in fact, all of them they can and

25:00

have families and build connections just like dogs, cats

25:02

and other animals. And the second thing is I think people

25:04

vastly underestimate the degree

25:06

to which they suffer in these systems, because

25:10

obviously the industry is not gonna you

25:12

know, kind of broadcasting themselves. Um

25:14

and the the information is accessible, but it's

25:16

also uncomfortable to face. I think a lot of people, me

25:19

and myself included, for a long time, just don't know

25:21

how much these animals suffer, how many

25:23

animals suffer. It is, it is. It is a

25:25

difficult thing to um, I think

25:27

consume or even process because you know, you

25:30

grow up eating meat, you grow up eating whatever diet you grow

25:32

up. Some people don't. But but then

25:34

for instance, you right, you see a documentary, you go like, wow, that's

25:36

how they treat cows. I don't want cows. I want, you

25:38

know, free range cows. I want free range

25:40

chickens. I don't think that's good. And then you you see

25:42

something else and you're like, okay, I won't do that either.

25:45

But then many people would argue to be like, okay, but fish

25:48

in the ocean just swimming

25:50

around, And so if I eat wild cought

25:52

fish, then then why is that a bad thing?

25:54

Or you or you're saying it's not good or bad though?

25:56

Is that what you're arguing? Yeah, I'm not saying well, you're not

25:58

even trying to moralize it. You can you could know I would

26:01

moralize it but it's not about good or bad. It's

26:03

just that whether or not me or you or anyone else

26:05

thinks this is good or bad, fishing

26:07

causes tremendous suffering to an

26:10

immeasurable number of fish. And that's the

26:12

issue. To me, and for me, an issue is

26:14

an issue when there's someone who suffers, Right,

26:16

So I don't care that, Like, look, I'm not gonna sit here

26:18

and be like I emotionally feel compelled

26:20

to care about fish the same way I care about dogs. I didn't

26:22

grow up around fish, right Like I grew up around

26:25

dogs. And they don't do cool tricks. Yeah they don't. Well,

26:27

some of them do cool tricks, I mean not as cool as

26:29

Okay, yes, but m

26:32

yeah. So the thing is because they suffer, and

26:35

they're suffering matters to them. That's why

26:37

I flag it as an issue. But it's interesting that you say suffer.

26:39

So so let's talk a little bit about that, because I know in the documentary,

26:42

and you know, you you cite the research,

26:44

there is mounting evidence that talks about

26:46

suffering or pain, et cetera. We know that pain

26:49

extends far further than we thought it ever.

26:51

Did you know we learned new things every day. People,

26:53

for instance, watch the documentary about the

26:55

octopus on Netflix, people like, oh, the octopuss feelings

26:57

and not people like I don't want eat octopus anymore, which is which is

26:59

fine. But but when we

27:01

think of it through the lens of suffering, do

27:04

you not think sometimes we're imbuing animals

27:06

with a level of almost complicated

27:08

consciousness that they don't necessarily

27:10

need because of the circle of life. So like, let's

27:14

say when a lion is hunting and then

27:16

you know, it goes and it grabs like an antelope

27:18

or whatever, right, the other antelope like

27:20

bad, that sucked, and then they just carry on with their

27:22

lives. You no, no, no, I mean this honestly.

27:25

I watched them sometimes and you know that the antelope

27:27

thing happens, and the antelope just carry on. I'm

27:29

like, wow, I'm a lot more devastated on my couch

27:31

than they are. So are they suffering

27:34

or do you think we're imbuing them with the idea of what we

27:36

think suffering is? Yeah, I mean I think the

27:39

it's a complicated conversation, definitely, But

27:42

the fact, like the way that we define suffering

27:44

or the way that I would think about suffering is an

27:47

experience that's unpleasant to you, Okay, Right,

27:49

that's kind of like the definition of suffering. And

27:51

in that sense, I think it's undeniable that animals suffers,

27:53

say, like when an antelope gets eaten, that's

27:56

probably a painful experience. Yeah, yeah,

27:59

like know what I mean. And at the end of the day, like whether or

28:01

not, like how complicated that suffering is, I

28:04

don't think it's that relevance to whether or not we

28:06

should care about that suffering. I mean, whether

28:08

or not they're as devastated as you or I

28:10

would be in a similar situation doesn't change the fact

28:12

that they're being eaten alive, right,

28:15

And similar for example, with fish when they're being

28:17

grabbed out of the ocean in a huge net, or

28:19

they die in horrific ways, they're being crushed under the weight

28:21

of other fish, and then they're just spilled

28:23

into this boat. Oftentimes they're put in this mixture of ice

28:26

and water. They're suffocating the whole time, and

28:28

that experience to them might not be so different to the experience

28:30

of you or me drowning. You know, in a way, it's a very

28:32

primal form of suffering that the experience

28:34

in that moment so then let's talk about it through the lens of just animals

28:37

and help me understand this. If I said

28:39

to you, then okay, reu gee, what's going to happen

28:41

is we're gonna get rid of all industrialized

28:44

farming. You know, there will be no boats that

28:46

are catching thousands of fish. We're gonna go back

28:48

to the olden days like one person, you catch a fish, I catch

28:50

my fish. We we do the whole thing. Would you be happy

28:53

with that for yourself? Or you saying no, you wouldn't

28:55

even engage with the eating of a living

28:57

thing. Sure? Again, for me, it's not about me

28:59

being happy, right, So for me, it's about doing

29:02

the best thing possible for the animals looking at

29:04

it from their perspective. But what about us? No,

29:07

and I don't. I don't even mean this like something, you know

29:09

what I mean. And the reason I say this what about us is because

29:11

I go sometimes as humans, you know, I feel like we forget

29:13

that we're also animals. Okay, so we are also

29:15

animals, and then those animals, like there's

29:18

a lot of time we'll go like the animal, but then

29:20

the animal will do a thing to you, Like let's say you see

29:22

like a bay. You're like, oh, the bear is cute, and some people go, let

29:24

me go touch to the bay. Then the bears like then

29:27

the people like that bears an asshole, And I'm like, no, the bar is

29:29

just a bay. It's doing bad things? Are we?

29:31

Are we not just doing human things in that way? Like

29:33

it is? It is? It? Does it need to be moralized

29:35

in any way shape? Should we? Are we not just meant to eat

29:37

the thing because it's it's it's food for us. Yeah?

29:39

Sure, I mean you could say that it's a human thing. But again, whether

29:41

or not you or me or anyone else considers

29:43

this a human thing doesn't change the fact that an action

29:46

would cause suffering. And in my view, if

29:48

we can prevent suffering from happening, then why

29:50

not do it? Because if I was in that position,

29:52

then I would not want to suffer. Huh.

29:56

If I was in that position, I would not, I agree

29:58

with. If I was a fish, I would not want to be caught. Yeah,

30:00

I completely agree with you. They don't try to be caught,

30:03

They don't want to like have have that existence.

30:05

So what would you say to somebody who wants to get

30:08

into this life because one

30:10

thing I do appreciate you about you honestly is this is like

30:12

oftentimes you'll talk to vegans and one

30:15

they'll always let you know that they're vegans without you're asking them.

30:17

And too they will judge people, but you

30:19

don't judge. That's something I've I've really appreciate you. You

30:21

inform people, you you do the research, you talk

30:23

about it, but you're not judge. You're not like you're an asshole

30:25

for doing this, you're wrong for doing this. You go, this is why I'm

30:27

making the decision, and this is what we should be cognizant of. So

30:30

if somebody says to you, Okay, I want to explore

30:32

getting into this world, but I may not have the

30:34

nutrition, I may not. I mean, look at

30:37

America, there's people who live in food deserts. There's people who

30:39

don't have access to the to the right foods. How can

30:41

they even begin the journey of a more ethical

30:43

existence when it comes to what they eat? So I

30:45

think they're well, three things. Really. The

30:47

first thing would be to change

30:50

our view on how we see animals. Right,

30:52

So for me, the big thing that changed becoming

30:54

a vegan is that I started seeing all animals

30:56

as a someone not a something. Okay, Curiously,

30:59

I never spent time with cows or chickens or pigs,

31:01

but it turns out that they're just like dogs and cats,

31:03

and I think the more we can have that mindset is really good.

31:06

The second thing is to get informed about what

31:08

we actually do to them, because again I think

31:10

that many people vastly underestimate

31:13

the amount of suffering that we caused them, even in just

31:15

the legal things that we do to them. A lot of those

31:17

things are things that would be outrageous have done

31:19

to dogs and cats. It would be legal that like they would get

31:21

canceled and arrested if we did this dog and

31:24

cats is what would happened, right, So

31:26

I think get informed on that. And thirdly, there's

31:28

so many resources on how to live a vegan

31:30

lifestyle in many different shapes and forms.

31:32

Like I think one of the misconceptions is that being

31:34

vegan is all about eating, you know, beyond

31:36

meats and these fancy meat substitutes,

31:39

But in fact, you can have a very simple, whole food,

31:41

plant based lifestyle that is could

31:43

be a lot cheaper and a lot healthier as well. There are many many

31:45

ways to go about it, and so you can just do reason on

31:48

that and find what works for you. I'll tell you this,

31:50

You're fascinating. I've really enjoyed talking to you. Thank

31:52

you so much for joining me on the show, so much for having because we're any

31:54

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31:57

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