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season one, fifty two, Episode four of J

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Shout killing you Jason

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Christian at Jason C nineties seventy five

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for that wonderful Fuji's

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inspired a K that song Somebody

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who did an a K for me a couple of weeks

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ago for that song, and I added

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it to my uh son's

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like iTunes music like

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playlist that we play in

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the car on road trips, and he's real

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into it. So I mean, jam

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the Fuji's album to

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score. You know it has a right two

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children, You know what I mean absolutely

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that that that album has a right

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to have access to children so they can hear and

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know the true art. I just gotta find

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the clean version, the clean cut um.

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The That is also one of

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those songs that once I started

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listening to it again, I realized that

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they're just like lines from that song

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like we used to be number ten,

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That part that just like randomly flashed

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through my brain like probably once

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every couple of months like that,

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and all I find myself saying it

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out loud. Uh. Anyways,

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thank you to nineties hip hop for

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giving me the vast majority

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of the the white noise in

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my brain um better

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than just I guess regular

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white noise. Um. Well,

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Miles, we are thrilled to be joined. This is

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always a treat. I know you and I both

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look forward to any time

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we have in our third seat,

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the Hilarious, The Town Mounted

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Guy Montgomery.

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Hey, good morning to one

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and all. I just like to give a huge shout out

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to nineties hip hop and

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also iTunes. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah,

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I don't have an A k A UM.

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I'm Guy A K A r M.

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I'm Guy, right, Okay,

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I'm Guy. Your parents come up with that name

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Guy, Um, there

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was never any doubt, really think they

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sort of it was a judgment call. I came out

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and they looked at me and they said, well, we know we're gonna we're gonna

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call him, and yeah,

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it's really It's really worked for me. Yeah.

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People go crazy for it. They love it. Go Montgomery,

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you're kidding me? You're

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serious? Was that a stage name? Man?

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This is it? This is how I roll one

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morning and night. Hey, man, Mark, get

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over here. This feller is called Guy. Mother gals

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the woman version, right, Gal.

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Yeah, that's yea. And

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we have an annual conference where we

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we have all sorts of ground, but

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largely what jokes we've come across at the

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expense of our first names. Yeah.

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Oh, man, what do you get a lot of Did

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you have a lot of trouble and elementary

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school? I did

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one time. Actually we had above

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our lockers, we had our names written. And

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one of the one of the more

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thuggish young children, and

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this this Anglican all boys

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uniformed school. They

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bloody they put a hat on the U and

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they changed my name, you

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know, And this was not done in good spirits.

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This was not done. You know. They weren't calling

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me game ongoing because of my perpetually

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positive spirit. They were trying to put

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the bout in. And so, yeah, I guess I

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have had my share of hardship in

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this respect, and yet you're still

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here. I think anything that

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sort of void me And I thought, do you know

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what, I'm going to really own

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the name guy Montgomery. Yeah,

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Miles, did you ever get any sort

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of ship for your name? Like your

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your name is sort of inevitably

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a very cool name. Uh, I

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don't, Well, when people tried to, I don't know, I

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didn't. I was sort of

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I had a toxic mouth as a kid,

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so when people tried to funk with me,

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I would just clap back with the most

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like asymmetric um

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disproportionate response metric warfare.

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Yeah, Like it was like, oh, you want to tease my

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lunch, Like I'm gonna say something awful

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about your family and then get in trouble

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because you're crying and the teachers like you know

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those words in that sequence miles,

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and I'm like, I don't know, I'm just insecure and the only

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child in my mouth is all I have, So

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lunch is on ah, especially

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like you know, having like you know, Japanese food

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and like you know, kids have like lunchables and ship

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like you know, you gotta sometimes you know

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early on established that you're the wrong

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one to and I think kids

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kids don't realize that they're the ones getting

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fucked with the lunchables, right,

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I mean you know, with hindsight,

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a lot of these these these are fellas would have

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killed for a little Japanese Yeah,

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a little needy a bento box, you

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know, a sandwich that was made by hand,

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rather than I get it. You know, when you're a parent, you're like, fuck

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it here, just throw that box in the bag

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and eat that and I'll go. Yeah,

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when you cut those kids open, you can see

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rings of sodium just like inside

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their from him every

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time they had lunchables. Um,

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I'm always surprised by that when I cut

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American children, Isn't

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that strange? Like, Wow, I

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can't see, haven't It almost makes me forget

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myself and the fact that I really got to stop

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cutting these kids, cutting these damned kids

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open. All right, Well, guy,

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we're gonna get to know you a little bit better in a

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moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a few of the

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things we're talking about. We're gonna do

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a quick fascism check, see where

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we're, where we're at, where

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we're headed. Uh. We're gonna talk

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about the charge

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that came down from the

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for the cops who murdered Brianna

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Taylor. The one of

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the three cops was charged with not

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murder and the other two are

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not charged. We'll talk about that. We'll talk

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about Ron Johnson's bombshell

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Hunter Biden Report, We'll talk about

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the Finns and leak if we have time, all

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of that plenty more. But first guy, Uh,

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we like task our guests, what is something

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from your search history that's revealing about

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who you are? I

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most recently I was switching um

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woods that rhyme with Simon

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Okay, drop a

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diamond, Yeah you got

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it even needed

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to use yet. I'm

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actually spen quite a lot of time on the

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website rhyme zone dot com. Yeah.

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I love rhum zone. I told

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the high school rappers out there. Yeah,

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huge shout out to rhyme zone dot com.

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I because sometimes

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I just feel like, if you don't if you've got

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to prepare for something and you don't have anything and

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you need certaining on short short notice,

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just bring a rhyme um. And

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I was, I was doing this this

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panel show, this New Zealand comedy

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topical panel show last night, and there

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was a game called Yes Minister, where a minister

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from our our parliament comes in and you have to try

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and trick them into saying yes or no answers.

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And I didn't want

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to use his real name at any point,

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so I googled words that

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rhyme with Simon and words that rhyme with Bridges

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Bridges, because his name

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was Simon Bridges and still is.

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Yeah, so what did you come on payment framing

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bridge is? Yeah? Well I started off

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its time in I called

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him, I called him Simon

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Bridges Jones Diary.

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And then the next time I tried to get

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him with one of my very cleverly worded

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questions. I called him Siren Bridges, and

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then I called him Siphon Bitches,

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which I was probably over the line, and

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then I actually wound up calling him Simeon Brown,

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which is the name of one of his colleagues.

9:34

Siren Bridges kind of sounds

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like you're saying he has an amazing ass

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or something like that. Yeah, like you

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are a siren the

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I didn't think about that. I haven't really observed his

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deary year with any great detail. But

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you know, the guy's a

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unit. He's probably got a nice tort. But

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um, let's call how the

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overall panel go? Please?

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That was my weakest That was my weakest part

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of the panel, But I

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didn't. It was difficult because I don't I

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don't especially um,

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he's on the other side of the aisle from my

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political allegiance, and so it's

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difficult because it's a very sort of jovial show

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and so and you know, like when you meet

10:23

people, they traditionally that there's

10:25

a humanity to them that is removed when you're

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just watching them through news cycles and stuff. So

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I don't really want to be affiliated with this guy, but I've

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got to play along in this comedy

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game. So that

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was I found that a little bit challenging

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to to to strike the right balance of sort

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of trying to upend him or needed

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him without you know, still

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respecting that the overall comedy tone

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of the show. UM,

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the press of being a nationally renowned

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when

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I were first rate and we're asked

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to be on like we tell

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me or something had to

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be fun and cute alongside

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because media dosn't one embraces

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this. Dude, Yeah, we're just too real,

11:10

Like that's the only thing. You guys

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are tremendously real.

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Yeah yeah. But then after

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that I really hit my stride. I was I

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was cutting everyone up. I had some great equips.

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So what we've come to love you for? I

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thought you loved me for my cutting insight?

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It's the clips, man, What

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is something you think is overrated? Um?

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Engaging with new media or watching

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new programs. You

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know, I've got I've got nastional

11:48

of stuff I know works for me, and

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I don't think I really you know, like this might be aging

11:54

or just laziness or the state of affairs in

11:56

the world, But I'm just going back

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to my comfort

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food. You know, every night I've been

12:03

like, I've got a real problem with social media.

12:05

I go on it like my muscle

12:07

memory takes me there. If I take out my phone

12:10

without even you know, the cognizance,

12:12

it's happening. And so every night have been like, I should really

12:14

watch this. Um, there's neatly

12:16

packaged movie about

12:18

social media that is steering at me every time

12:20

I open my computer. And then I think, that's

12:23

not what I want to do before I go to bed. I want

12:25

to I want to catch up with the

12:27

Simpsons back and

12:31

so does everything before

12:33

season nine. So nothing

12:35

happens and nothing changes, but I

12:38

feel good. Yeah,

12:41

I like Teens. Some of the episodes

12:43

in the teens seasons,

12:47

it's just smattering. At that point, I think as

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a species, we we could pull a

12:52

Star Trek and just start

12:54

making new culture. Like in Star

12:56

Trek they're always like into Sherlock

12:59

Holmes and stuff from the twentieth century,

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even though uh, there

13:04

are many many centuries

13:06

into the future. But

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that's the work of Surathricon and Doyle. That's

13:11

how that's how, that's how good his tailor. It gets

13:13

his talons into humanity and people

13:15

just can't put classics.

13:18

Yeah, yeah, um, and

13:21

okay, you gotta watch. I mean for anyone

13:23

who feels reluctant to watch the social because

13:25

I understand, like the idea of social

13:28

media in and of itself is already overwhelming,

13:31

but there's something also slightly

13:33

comforting to hear like it

13:36

all or see it all laid out in a

13:38

way that you can just go like, yeah, you

13:40

know what, I actually don't need to I

13:42

don't even need to feel bad about avoiding

13:45

this. I don't think. I don't think

13:47

that's I avoiding it. I thought you're

13:49

gonna see, like I feel bad about being addicted

13:51

to this. I mean, these guys have made it so

13:54

I'm addicted. It's

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made to be addictive, so I don't have a problem

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they do, no, But yeah, in that sensory

14:03

like it is that cynical, and

14:05

you know, like the way that they've it's completely

14:07

just like this runaway train now that you're

14:10

almost like you have to take it into your own

14:12

hands to sort of completely be like they're

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telling me this thing is going somewhere. They don't

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even they can't predict now without

14:19

any kind of regulation, So maybe it's better

14:21

to hop the funk off or at least

14:23

like massively throttled back in a way

14:26

that you realize like you're not falling victim

14:28

to these sort of psychological traps. Well, it's

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just like I was talking with a friend about it last

14:33

night, and it's there used to be times

14:35

in my life when I'd sit and just

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do nothing, not even read or

14:39

watch anything, but just like sits with

14:41

my own thoughts, you

14:44

know, and there was such

14:46

a great source of creativity, like becoming

14:49

bored and letting your brain actually you

14:51

know, make it as far through progressive thoughts

14:53

or like, you know, as far down different ideas

14:56

that you might spark into something of interest.

14:58

But now it's like you just feel that spice

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with you just

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just with like listening to everyone talk simultaneously,

15:06

which obviously cannot be good for

15:08

you. And to

15:10

their point, they say, they talk about just how the

15:12

how the computing speeds have just

15:15

you know, exploded exponentially in the last

15:17

ten years, and we're still dealing with millions

15:20

of years old brains that are

15:22

not made to take this much

15:25

you know, data and this

15:27

much stimulation, like

15:29

you know, through the social media things. So when

15:31

you think, when you look at it, like that and all these problems

15:34

it's causing you Like, yeah, that's right, Like we're

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meant to fucking just like barely

15:38

fucking use a o L. At most

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it genuinely feels like I'm short circuiting

15:43

some of the time. Yeah. For me,

15:45

absolutely, As I become more and more

15:47

conscious of my mental health because obviously

15:50

this year is taking its toll on everyone, I realized

15:52

like the the second, like

15:54

you know, from putting my social

15:57

media apps, like the very last screen on

15:59

my phone have to be like one, two, three,

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four, and like by the fifth when I'm like, oh, we're really doing

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this still, We're really doing this still, then I'm like, yeah,

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funk, that funk. That funk that Like let's just read

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or like let's listen to music, or let's do something

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else. Yeah. The point

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that somebody makes in the movie

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about how for

16:16

some reason this was really effective to me. They were like,

16:18

what if when you looked up something on Wikipedia,

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the entry was

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rewritten based on what they thought

16:26

you wanted to see, Right,

16:28

that's basically what social media is.

16:31

Like that really clarified to me. I was

16:33

like, oh, that's right,

16:36

very very bad. Um, Yeah,

16:38

that's yeah. I think somebody

16:40

needs to, uh, like a first

16:42

rate institution should like

16:45

make a list of approved

16:47

websites that you're like allowed

16:49

to or that that don't like break

16:52

your brain, uh,

16:54

like rhyme Zone and Wikipedia,

16:57

and then everything else is just unapproved

17:00

zone. We just to use

17:02

rhyme Zone on like in the

17:04

early two thousand's, like that's like one of

17:07

those tools that it's just like, Yeah, that's what

17:09

the internet should be. Is just like a thing

17:12

that you do. I mean I used it for

17:14

my wedding vowels which I wrapped.

17:19

That's what it's.

17:22

It was cool he did it to on the Thong song instrument.

17:24

Yeah. Um, but yeah,

17:28

shout out to things like the rhyme Zone

17:30

and Wikipedia that actually serve a

17:32

purpose. And it should be this rhyme

17:35

Zone app that when you download it, it's just one

17:37

big button that takes over your whole home screen.

17:39

So it's the only option you'll phone anything

17:42

but just a massive rhyme zone. The

17:45

new iPhone is preloaded with rhyme Zone,

17:50

rhyme Zone and Shizam and kind

17:52

of sucking somehow. A YouTube album also

17:54

sneaks its way on there, but you need

17:57

you need, and it's still

17:59

that same YouTube youtub

18:05

like, what is almost want to throw my

18:07

phone out there. I love the idea that

18:10

you two have stopped making new music because

18:12

they're like, people just didn't get that one. We're gonna keep

18:14

rereleasing it until ye

18:17

come on, come on everybody.

18:25

They're like, what the get off the stage, trash

18:29

guy, what's something you think is underrated? I

18:33

keeping fish keeping

18:35

recently recently, Yeah,

18:38

keeping a couple of little tropical guppies.

18:41

Um, and it's been very soothing.

18:44

I the reason I had

18:47

to start I sort of had to start keeping

18:49

fish against my well,

18:52

it was it was thrust upon me. I

18:55

play in a fantasy football league

18:58

and to try and keep things

19:00

competitive if someone's having a bad season,

19:03

we introduced something called the fish,

19:05

which is like a m It's

19:08

like a vision of the wooden spoon. I suppose

19:10

you've got the wooden spoon over there. You said the wooden spoon.

19:13

I don't think that. It's like we

19:17

have wooden spoons. Yeah, yeah, well I I

19:19

yeah, we got those, guy. Yeah,

19:22

use them. Yeah, we don't use them for discipline.

19:24

You can use them in the kitchen as well. Oh

19:26

you know, if your discipline in the kitchen

19:29

was smacking a bottom, but the

19:32

wooden spoon and sports elsewhere

19:34

in the world represents the people who have finished last.

19:36

So it's like the race to the wooden spoon is

19:38

like the opposite of winning the championship. And

19:41

people were sort of mailing in their seasons

19:44

if they if things were going poorly, they stopped being invested

19:46

in. It's frustrating because it still has an impact on what's

19:48

serving at the top of the trest. Of course, so you

19:50

introduced the fish and the fishes

19:52

if you carry the fish. So the first

19:54

season it was just given to the new entrant into the

19:56

league. I said, you're the fish, and you can You've got a chance

19:58

to lose the fish. Every home aim you play in the season,

20:01

the fish is up for grabs, and if whoever

20:04

loses the fish bowl, they become

20:06

the fish. And if at the end of the

20:08

season you are the fish, you have

20:10

to before the next season starts,

20:12

you have to actually go

20:14

out and buy and maintain

20:17

fish in a fish tank, or you're kicked

20:19

out of the league. I

20:23

came last, and I was like, so

20:25

sure this would be a problem because I thought the whole season

20:27

would get canceled. But that's just not

20:29

how America works, so

20:32

the show must go on. And so I had to go down

20:34

to the local pit store and I

20:36

spent up to I spent like four New

20:38

Zealand dollars getting my fish

20:41

tank, you know, sit up and everything,

20:43

just so I could play in this stupid league.

20:45

But the the app shot is I'm

20:48

loving the fish nice yeah,

20:52

for mental health than presumably

20:54

fantasy sports, which are bad

20:56

for mental health. And I didn't realize you were doing. I

20:58

forgot you're an n f L fan. I was like getting

21:01

excited. I'm like, yeah, mate, playing a fantasy

21:03

football as well. Yeah, yeah,

21:06

but it's the NFL. What do you would you say

21:08

you're a Niners fan or something. No, I'm a Broncos

21:10

guy. Broncos that's where it was. Yeah,

21:12

yeah, yeah, I remember rough

21:14

start. But yeah, I actually, I mean I don't

21:17

really, you know, I don't really care. It's mostly just

21:19

as social lubricant. It keeps me in touch with

21:21

some old friends who otherwise we wouldn't never a

21:23

place to congregate in

21:25

earnest. That's the service it provides. Unless

21:28

you're having a good season, in which case it's actually quite

21:30

important, and it is. A skilled

21:32

base becomes the most important thing in the world.

21:35

Yeah. And finally,

21:37

what is a myth? What's something people think is true?

21:39

You know, fall service versa. The

21:41

Oxford Dictionary defines myth as.

21:44

Now I'm just just do

21:47

you do you? Now? Do you boys know what a

21:49

gorgon is? I've

21:51

definitely heard that word before. I remember

21:54

the Gorgon nights from the movie Small

21:56

Soldiers. Wow, you'll be

21:58

allowed to know that they were not the original Gorgon's

22:01

good damn it. I know before Shakespeare

22:04

was calling a woman shrews,

22:07

Greek fellas were calling woman

22:09

gorgons, specifically the Gorgon

22:12

sisters. I'm talking stiff,

22:14

no, you're you're ail And of

22:17

course Meducer these

22:21

yeah, these three dames, they all had venomous

22:25

snakes for hair. Um,

22:28

pretty freaky stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

22:31

And anyway, so there were these three sisters and this

22:33

guy Perseus, son

22:36

of Zeus, and also a regular

22:39

woman named Darnay. Was like, God,

22:42

damn it, I do not like those Gorgon

22:45

sisters, and I especially

22:47

don't like Meducer, and

22:50

m Meducer was the only

22:52

one that was mortal. I think of the of the Gorgon

22:54

sisters. Anyway, it sounds

22:56

harsh, but it's it was kind of fair because

22:58

um, not only did have snakes

23:00

for here, but if you looked in her eyes, wells

23:03

she bloody well turn you to stone. What

23:07

I know, I can't.

23:11

It sounds like absolute utter bullshit,

23:15

but I know a lot of people like I. I don't

23:18

pay that much attention to Facebook, but sometimes

23:20

my aunts and uncles will forward a

23:22

meme that's all about that assumes

23:25

Medusa will turn you to stone if you look around.

23:28

I don't understand. If you've got snakes for here, why

23:32

you go? Why are you bothering with this other? You

23:34

know, surely you want people to be able to look at you to go,

23:36

whoa, that's

23:39

so unusual Meduca. Obviously

23:41

she is embarrassed with something. Put on a hat,

23:46

bonytail, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

23:49

Imagine all the snakeheads

23:51

in the back and it's just like this really awful

23:54

thing at the back, and it's like no

23:56

one has ever really looked at this from the snakes perspective.

23:59

He's the next must have been furious, tethered

24:02

to ahead right anyway,

24:06

presumably yeah, horrible, But then

24:09

she started she started shampooing with tea

24:11

tree shampoo, so they didn't

24:13

even order the bloody detritus of her scalp

24:16

was gone. Then ever beeny nutrients anyway,

24:18

I mean, think you're molting, and how much

24:20

flake is flaking there would be? He

24:24

was always like molded snake skins.

24:27

It's kind of baller. Anyway,

24:30

Perseus was like, look, I don't like this. I

24:33

don't like this at all. And then he was telling

24:35

I don't know, probably his dad or something something,

24:38

and Athena was nearby, and

24:40

Athena was like, wow, if you've really

24:42

got into problem with Meducer,

24:45

you want to and you want to kill her, you gotta make

24:47

sure you don't look in your eyes and

24:50

her eyes, and so I Perseus approached

24:53

her. I actually don't know what specific

24:55

thing Meduca did to antagonize

24:57

him to this point. I think he just didn't like her energy,

25:00

but he insteed of looking at her in the eyes.

25:02

And anyone in Greece at the time, but this was so brilliant,

25:05

but it seems so obvious. He used to shield with

25:07

a mirror on it to

25:09

find this. I wasn't looking directly at him,

25:11

and he chopped off her head. Uh

25:14

huh, and

25:15

it's and then don't they used

25:18

the head? It's not a myth. A lot of people

25:20

think that's a myth, But that actually happened,

25:22

that he became a tool,

25:24

didn't it. Well yeah,

25:26

he you know, I'm just thinking because now I'm

25:28

like realistically being like I played God of War. I

25:30

remember you just pull a gorgon head out of nowhere,

25:33

turn people to stone, and like just keep that head

25:35

on your hip. Really, it

25:37

retained its power even after it was chopped

25:40

off. Yeah, it was weird, but you know what, I don't give a

25:42

fuck, you know. You know, it's just me and Cratos doing

25:44

our things. So it's weird that it would retain its

25:46

power after it's

25:48

no longer retains any life. But

25:51

you it does not have its power if

25:53

you look at it through a mirror.

25:56

Yeah. Also, if if it retains its power,

25:58

presumably the snakes is to charging your

26:02

you're you're introducing those sorts of problems.

26:04

Yeah, anybody. A

26:06

lot of people think that's not true. Uh,

26:09

turns out actual historical

26:11

fact. I'd like to cordially

26:14

invite everybod who thinks that's not true

26:16

to to go funk themselves. All

26:21

right, you heard it here first, folks,

26:23

Uh, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right

26:26

back to uh check

26:28

in with where we are on the fascism meter,

26:40

and we're back and guy,

26:43

you are in New Zealand,

26:46

which has a leader who

26:49

uh checks in with kindly

26:52

wood carving people

26:54

on Twitch, as Miles was catching

26:57

us up on it is just a human

27:00

being. Uh. Here in

27:02

in the States, Uh, just

27:05

to catch you up, we we

27:07

still have Donald Trump as president

27:09

um and he is

27:12

super excited that journalists

27:15

are are getting um

27:17

throne throne about. Yeah.

27:20

Yeah. The quotes are

27:23

like he's giddy, you know that at a

27:25

rally recently, just saying they grabbed one guy

27:27

and he's like, I'm a reporter, I'm a reporter. They

27:30

threw him aside like he was a little bag of popcorn.

27:32

I mean, honestly, when you watch the crap that we've

27:34

all had to take so long, when you see

27:37

that, it's actually you don't want to do

27:39

that. But when you see it, it's actually a beautiful

27:41

site. That's his quote. It's

27:43

a beautiful site. And he's to have

27:45

somebody just ragged all around

27:48

because they're performing their

27:50

duty as a journalist to inform the

27:52

rest of the public of what's happening in the country.

27:54

It's it's I have not been

27:57

particularly with do you respect to my

28:00

American brethren, engaged with

28:02

the U S news cycle. While

28:05

it seems like Trump

28:07

has made a dog's breakfast of the whole presidency

28:10

for most of the time. But it seems like he's really

28:12

in panic mode now, and so he's just

28:14

just trying to um spread

28:16

his ship as far and wide as he can. Absolutely,

28:22

I don't think he's panicking. I

28:24

I think he thinks he's gonna

28:26

win, and has good reason

28:29

to think he's gonna win, because it's

28:31

the panic will set in when whatever happens

28:34

on election Day, and like you have to figure out which

28:36

way it's gonna go, because right now this almost seems like instinctive

28:38

just being like, all right, let's hit the accelerator. Well,

28:41

he did the he did the He had

28:43

a similar tone when he was talking about

28:45

the possibility of people protesting

28:47

on election night. I think

28:49

he said something along the lines of yeah,

28:51

we'll just uh

28:54

So he was being interviewed on Fox News

28:57

and he said if there's rioting, which

28:59

as we know, they define as any protests

29:02

that aren't for white

29:04

suprivacy, yeah,

29:06

then uh he and

29:09

his side will quote put them down

29:11

very quickly. We have the right to do that.

29:13

We have the power to do that if

29:16

we want. Look, it's called insurrection.

29:18

We just send in and

29:20

we do it very easy. He didn't say who he's going to send

29:22

in, but we do it very easy. I mean it's very

29:24

easy. I'd rather not do that because there's

29:27

no reason for it, but if we

29:29

had to, we do that and put it down

29:31

within minutes. Uh. This

29:34

is sort of been a side, but it's just a curiosity

29:36

about his um. The way his signapses

29:38

work. Do you think in his internal monologue

29:40

he finishes sentences right?

29:43

Uh? I don't. Yeah,

29:46

that's even Do you think he's even thought of sentence

29:48

through to its end? Right? Like?

29:50

It does seem like he starts a sentence, finishes

29:53

it in his brain, but starts the next sentence

29:55

before his mouth finishes it. Um.

29:58

But I also think there's like some skipping

30:00

over that happens where he's like, we just send

30:02

in, realizes oh, I can't say

30:04

the army because the army wouldn't

30:07

do what I want, So he just moves forward.

30:10

Yeah, he's kind of like, Uh, it's

30:12

sort of like he sends a tire down a

30:14

hill and then starts chasing after it. I

30:17

feel like it's like sort of the thing. It's like he eats at the

30:19

momentum, and

30:23

that's what it was like, Yeah, because like it's

30:25

so disjointed and like at times

30:27

he's almost getting ahold of the tire

30:29

that he kicked down the hill, and you hear something

30:31

and then it completely he loses his

30:33

grip on it, and now we're talking about someone at

30:36

the end, he's down at the bottom of the hill, nix to the time.

30:38

Did you see what I did? Yeah, I

30:41

came down that hole to give That's like, yeah,

30:46

you were chasing it like a little boy. But

30:48

that's that's fine. And yeah, I mean I

30:50

think this is the kinds of actions that

30:52

again, if people aren't convinced about what

30:54

fascism looks like, that's this is this

30:56

is where it's at. And then you also have Rhonda Santis

30:59

the government full or to proposing

31:02

laws that are absolutely just draconian

31:04

fucory, like all of these

31:06

just just a set of laws he's proposing

31:08

to essentially just discourage people from

31:11

protesting. Uh. You know, after

31:13

the Unite the Right rally, there was like a

31:15

slew of bill of legal

31:18

proposals that were coming out of like Republican

31:20

controlled states that were essentially trying to

31:22

make it illegal to protest or at least

31:24

protests against racism.

31:27

Uh, you know, if you really look at how the language was all

31:29

worked out. But these proposals from

31:31

De Santists talk about higher charges

31:33

for participating in disorderly assemblies,

31:36

disorderly assemblies or damaging

31:38

statues, attaching fucking rico

31:40

liability like racketeering charges

31:43

to people who are found to be like organizers

31:46

of these disorderly assemblies, So treating

31:48

them like fucking mobsters, uh

31:51

if they're if they're basically trying to organize

31:54

their community. And then even make it

31:56

legal to strike someone with your vehicle

31:59

if you are fleeing to safety

32:01

from a mob. M hm. So

32:04

we're saying legal legalized weaponization

32:07

of your car against people who are advocating

32:09

for equality, which is from white

32:11

supremacist terrorism like that,

32:15

and also in cells and you know

32:18

that. Just yeah, it's

32:21

it's a thing we've seen like far too

32:23

often. So I mean it's you

32:25

know, we'll see where these proposals go.

32:27

But these are absolutely the kinds of

32:29

things that the right has

32:32

to do to be able to maintain minority

32:34

power, because the logic behind all

32:36

of these laws isn't because it's not because Florida

32:39

is out of control with their protests.

32:41

They've been pretty subdued rom

32:43

But you know, it's just this whole thing. It all boils

32:45

down to this mentality that the GOP has, which

32:48

is sort of, well, if there's more of them on people

32:50

on the left, then we need to make it illegal

32:52

for them to exercise their power. That's just the only

32:54

way they can get ahead of it. It's like, okay, well, then just make

32:56

it illegal for them to be organized.

32:59

Right the There's an

33:01

Atlantic article that is

33:04

kind of the number one story on Drudge right now

33:06

that UH is talking about

33:09

how like, basically

33:12

they say the worst case we we've

33:14

talked on this show. Joe

33:16

Biden, who is a

33:18

big fan of the show, despite the fact that we disagree

33:21

with him a lot, UH

33:23

has said that, like he he always

33:25

puts it out there, is the worst case scenario is

33:27

Trump refuses to accept

33:31

the his loss and then

33:33

is like swiftly removed by the

33:36

armed forces. UM. But this

33:38

article points out, and like interviews

33:40

a number of intelligence

33:42

experts who are really worried about this, that

33:45

Trump rejects the election outcome

33:47

and uses his power

33:50

to prevent a decisive outcome

33:52

against him. Basically like, it's

33:54

not that, it's a clear cut thing.

33:56

And Trump is like, no, it's not a clear

33:59

cut thing. It's that because

34:01

he's able to muddy the waters

34:03

in so many different ways. Uh,

34:06

nobody, there's not a you

34:09

know, accepted version

34:11

of what what happened in the election.

34:14

And then for three months

34:16

we have, you know, in the courts

34:18

and in the streets, just a

34:20

complete clusterfuck because nobody

34:23

agrees you know, the thing

34:25

that has been happening for the past

34:27

four years, which is, you know, we can all

34:29

look at the same video and not see

34:32

the same thing happens

34:34

with the presidential election. Uh,

34:37

and almost definitely

34:39

will happen with presidential election

34:41

unless Trump wins a clear cup victory. Um,

34:44

because if Biden wins a clear

34:46

cup victory, Trump has already told us he

34:49

uh is not going to accept it. He

34:51

said, the only way that we lose this election

34:53

is if they take it from us in uh,

34:55

with like widespread election fraud. So he's

34:58

gonna imply that happening

35:00

no matter what. And then yeah,

35:03

it's just we're fully the

35:06

the article compares it to the

35:08

months right before nine eleven, where there's

35:10

like these big red blinking warning

35:13

signs within the intelligence community,

35:15

but there's just like not really anything

35:18

in place to do anything

35:21

about it. And in this case,

35:23

you know, the call is coming from inside

35:26

the house. The president is

35:29

specifically the one who's

35:31

trying to take the towers down. I

35:33

guess m he's just

35:36

he's really um

35:39

highlighting the element of, you know, because

35:41

you've got your I actually don't know all

35:43

the different things, but you've got all of this infrastructure

35:46

in place traditionally your American political system

35:48

to try and um protect whatever

35:50

institutions they are. And

35:53

uh, he's a real testament to how

35:55

much of that was based on like

35:59

just goodwill well you know, the

36:01

idea that they really

36:04

he's operating on a whole different plane

36:06

of existence. I mean, it's it's

36:09

it's the highest level of facory

36:13

that you could reach for. Yeah, it's right,

36:15

and it's it's it's from from here where It's

36:17

like I don't even understand a lot of the mechanitions that

36:19

are are in place that sort of you know,

36:22

that govern your political system, and

36:24

I don't think he does either. It's just like he's pushing

36:26

all the buttons that his officer wants to see. What the funk

36:28

happens

36:30

the baby flying a jet liners

36:33

like, I don't know what, and he're

36:36

like, what the fund is that baby doing

36:38

in there? That's meant for fucking rational

36:40

adults who understand this thing. Whatever

36:42

not. There's no sanctity to anything anymore in this country.

36:45

But you know, I always liking it to

36:47

this thing of like when the Vikings arrived

36:49

in like continental Europe at

36:51

that time, every like all the gold was

36:54

stored. A lot of gold was just stored in monasteries

36:56

or churches where people respected the

36:58

idea of God, and you would and dare going

37:00

to a church to steal things. Cut to these

37:03

godless people showing up and they're

37:05

like, this weak ass monk is

37:07

the one guy protecting all this gold. Okay,

37:09

well fuck it, it's ours now. And people like, what are

37:12

we gonna do? The thing that

37:14

God used to keep people from doing this?

37:16

Well, guess what. There's these

37:19

people showed up and then they're not playing by the

37:21

same rules. So that you can't be outraged

37:23

anymore. You have to very quickly accept

37:25

that these people are not playing the same game and

37:27

adjust your tactics accordingly. Otherwise

37:30

you're just gonna sit back and watch everything

37:32

be taken from right under you. Yeah, it's

37:34

all norm based. It's things that we have

37:36

always taken for granted as just these like

37:38

little formalities like the

37:41

concession speech, the calling

37:43

the other the opponent to congratulate

37:46

them on winning, which

37:48

is the official like you

37:51

know line between Okay, the election

37:53

is over, this person is one. Uh,

37:55

those are not Those aren't

37:57

official things. Um, they're

38:00

is this history professor from Princeton

38:02

who's uh Julian Zelazer,

38:04

who is saying we're not prepared for this at

38:06

all. We talk about it, some worry about it, and

38:09

we imagine what it would be, but few people

38:11

have actual answers to what happens if the machinery

38:13

of democracy is used to prevent a

38:16

legitimate resolution to the election, Like

38:18

it's gonna be chaos

38:21

for months. I

38:24

can't I personally don't

38:26

like the only version that isn't that

38:28

is if Trump wins a clear cut victory,

38:30

Because if Biden wins a clear cut victory,

38:33

I can't imagine Trump just being

38:35

like, well, you know, I've been bested

38:39

the better man one. You know, It's like what,

38:41

it's just never going to happen.

38:45

It's um, yeah, it's

38:48

it is crazy. It's also to think if Biden

38:52

were to win, it's sort of how people are talking

38:54

about they didn't in like two sixteen.

38:56

I think when we lost a lot of iconic celebrities

38:58

and everyone said I'm

39:01

done with sixteen, bring

39:03

on twenty seventeen. It was like, it's not the

39:05

year. A lot of the times, it's cancer

39:07

that's killing these celebrities, and

39:09

it's what people are doing with they're like,

39:12

you know, like COVID nineteen

39:14

keeps a calendar and then

39:16

waves everyone on the way out at New Year's

39:18

saying thanks for having me. And it's the same thing

39:21

with like if Biden winds, it's not like

39:23

the state that the country will

39:25

be left in. It's not like immediately

39:28

reparable. It's not like all of the disgruntled

39:30

people who are you know, like it's

39:33

it's it's it's it's a

39:35

tough I gotta tell you. Usually

39:37

I've quite enjoyed watching America from a safe distance,

39:40

but it's becoming a tough watch.

39:43

Yeah, but don't look too long,

39:45

we'll turn to stone. Yeah,

39:48

I'm gonna fly in with a mirror on my

39:50

phone over here. All

39:54

right, guys, let's take a quick break and we'll

39:56

be right back. And

40:07

we're back. Uh. And

40:10

yesterday, a couple hours

40:12

actually before we recorded this, uh,

40:14

the Kentucky a g announced

40:17

that one of

40:19

the three cops who fired

40:22

randomly at Brianna Taylor,

40:24

an unarmed person, and murdered

40:27

her. One of those three cops

40:29

would be charged with uh not

40:31

murder, and the other two would

40:33

not be charged. It's,

40:36

you know, it's what we thought it was going to be, which

40:38

is woefully inadequate. The cop

40:41

who was charged as being charged

40:43

with wanton endangerment I

40:45

think, uh something something along

40:47

those lines. Yeah,

40:49

what five year maximum

40:52

sentence. Uh. This is a

40:55

cop who was known

40:57

to try to give very drunk women rides

40:59

home from bars and sexually assault

41:01

them and not not try.

41:04

He actually was accused

41:06

of that and was subsequently

41:08

fired from the UM force.

41:11

So the because he didn't have the

41:13

like blue wall of you

41:16

know, silence protecting him

41:18

anymore. I think they felt like

41:20

they could like do a good

41:22

faith gesture that

41:24

people would accept at like putting

41:26

this making this guy actually

41:30

like face some charge. But um,

41:33

there's also this letter, this email

41:35

to am email from one of the other

41:37

officers, John Mattingly, who

41:40

it just makes you He sent this email

41:43

to his fellow Louisville

41:45

police officers that

41:47

was just so again,

41:49

it just reminds you of all the

41:51

police we've heard just

41:54

be petulant in response to

41:56

people asking them to, you know,

41:58

be responsible for are the you

42:01

know, violence that they are

42:04

are enacting on people, and

42:06

responsible for the fact that

42:08

they go into situations

42:10

with their guns drawn and are not

42:13

taking that responsibility seriously. They

42:16

it's like kids being caught doing something

42:18

and choosing to just like go full tilt

42:21

like temper tantrum.

42:24

Yeah, where's just seeing

42:26

you know, like

42:30

uh de facto white supremacy and

42:32

ship like that just reassert itself. You

42:34

know. In the beginning of the uprisings, I was talking

42:37

about how it

42:39

it's a living organism and while

42:42

there was a lot of momentum during

42:44

a lot of the demonstrations, that there

42:46

will always be a response because

42:48

it's this you know phenomenon

42:51

in the country that just has to sustain

42:53

its existence, and it's just reasserting

42:55

itself by saying, yes, these

42:58

people can completely botch a warrant and

43:00

murder an innocent woman and

43:03

two people will just fucking walk away

43:05

and another guy will just get a really fancy

43:08

charge of being which essentially

43:10

just sounds like that was

43:12

wanton endangerment rather than you've

43:15

straight up murdered an innocent person. Uh.

43:18

And it's MM,

43:20

I don't know, I don't know what to say. I'm

43:23

I'm not surprised. The second the

43:26

they were saying that the Louisville Police

43:28

Department and the city was going into a state

43:30

of emergency. Before this announcement, I

43:32

think everybody knew what

43:34

was going to happen. The same thing, which

43:36

is in the pursuit for justice.

43:39

Uh, we're not really getting it, but we

43:42

get other little you know,

43:44

tokens here and there. You know, somebody

43:46

might be on a magazine cover, or

43:49

some company hires two more people

43:51

of color or something like that. But it's never

43:53

the hard work to really have a reckoning

43:55

with how awful this system is

43:57

set up and how people seeking

44:00

There's an entire segment of the country

44:02

that seeks justice and just can never get

44:05

it. Uh. And that's also

44:07

a really unsustainable path we're going down as

44:09

well, because it completely

44:11

erodes the trust that people having each other in their

44:13

communities and their leaders and just

44:15

and will begin to create suspicion

44:18

among people like you don't know who

44:20

you're interacting with and what the outcome is going

44:22

to be, because you also know you're operating

44:24

in a world where the legal system will not protect

44:26

you, in fact, it will prey upon you. So

44:30

yeah, it's it's just total, total bullshit.

44:33

But it's the same thing over and over, and

44:35

I think that's why people really need to see

44:37

that incremental changes are not going

44:40

to resolve any of this. This incrementalism

44:43

still allows, you know, organisms

44:46

organizations like the Louisville Police

44:48

Department and other police departments across the country

44:50

to operate in the same way because we're not actually

44:52

putting our foot down and saying these

44:55

are the things we can no longer do. These

44:57

are this is the way we need to ferret out the

44:59

bad. Add apples if you want to go with that

45:01

theory. But no one is taking the problem seriously.

45:04

It's just it's, yeah,

45:06

it's it's shitty. The Hankinson

45:09

uh sexual assault stuff just made

45:12

me go down a rabbit hole of how big

45:14

a problem this is with police.

45:17

And there's a two thousand

45:19

fourteen report it explains,

45:22

you know, driving wealth female as

45:25

a it's basically, you

45:27

know, cops will pull women

45:30

over for alleged traffic

45:32

violations as a pretext to sexually

45:34

harass or abuse them, and it's

45:37

just so fucking

45:39

dark. Yeah, I mean, I think people

45:42

just need to realize that a

45:44

lot has to happen, and it has to

45:46

happen urgently, like you know, shout

45:49

out to people who can kind

45:51

of just forget that this is an ongoing

45:53

problem because there aren't people in the streets, uh

45:56

tearing shipped down, but it's

45:58

it hasn't stopped and it's not going to stop.

46:01

So please don't use the

46:03

people in the streets as an indication of how

46:05

engaged you need to be about

46:08

this issue. It's ongoing, it's NonStop,

46:11

and the less attention that

46:13

is paid to it, the longer it's going

46:15

to exist and be able to essentially

46:17

thrive. I decided, So I found

46:19

that tremendously articulate miles

46:23

I I, Um, I don't really

46:25

have anything to add, but um, it's

46:28

yeah, it's well, guy, what do you what? What

46:30

do you have to say for yourself? Down there would

46:32

look, I would say, from here, it

46:35

looks like it looks like a page one rewrite

46:37

to me boys, right starting,

46:40

Yeah, we're tossing it out. Delete the Celtics

46:42

file if that's what used to write your scripts. But

46:45

yeah, it's yeah, I mean it really is. It's

46:47

just it's it's you know, one

46:50

of the many consistent illnesses

46:53

in this country, uh, societal

46:55

ills that we just failed to address

46:58

because we haven't reached a tipping point where

47:00

the victims look enough like the people empower to do something.

47:04

All right, let's talk about the election

47:07

really briefly. It's an

47:09

election. Yeah, yeah,

47:12

yeah, we use air quotes for

47:14

that, I think at the moment Jesus Christ

47:17

there. Yeah, there's like a certain

47:20

list of things that Trump

47:23

allies have been claiming are going to

47:25

turn the election in his favor, like

47:27

these October surprises, and

47:30

one of them was this Hunter Biden

47:32

report that was going to uh

47:35

make good on all the things that Trump

47:37

was kind of implying when he was committing

47:41

crimes that got him impeached. That

47:43

we just like kind of forgot about that thing. But

47:45

uh, yeah, the the whole idea

47:48

that Hunter Biden was you

47:50

know, involved in illegal

47:52

activity, used

47:54

his father's position as the vice

47:56

president to enrich himself. Yeah,

47:59

it's cool man, because Ron Johnson

48:01

from Wisconsin, who is by far the

48:04

fucking most the

48:06

least intelligent, one of the least intelligent

48:09

senators that this country has

48:12

been talking all day, Wait till you

48:14

see this report, Wait till you see

48:16

me a US sitting US senator essentially

48:18

just reformatt Russian propaganda

48:20

into a senate legitimate Senate

48:23

research document or seemingly

48:25

legitimate and try and drop a bomb.

48:27

And it's like you're saying, it's all

48:30

old, debunked bullshit

48:33

from like a year ago that we've already

48:35

talked about that we've already said. His bullshit

48:38

that everyone knows is how carries no weight

48:41

um of this idea that Hunter Biden

48:43

worked on that he was on the board of Barisma, the

48:45

Ukrainian gas company, and essentially making

48:47

the case that his position interfered

48:50

with US foreign policy, which

48:52

is like, first of all, just shut the funk up. If you're that you're

48:54

really that concerned with that, please take a look at what's

48:56

happening right now. Let's catch up to now,

48:59

uh and Tom, if you still have that same outrage

49:01

energy, which they don't um

49:03

the whole thing, just think aside

49:05

from this being completely just total horseshit.

49:08

They further just go on to fully cell phone

49:10

in their little report because in their assessment,

49:13

this line is in the report quote. The

49:15

extent to which Hunter Biden's roll on Barisma's

49:18

board uh affected u

49:20

S policy towards Ukraine is not clear yet.

49:24

This is what they're going around waving like

49:26

their own report is like, I

49:28

don't know, it's kind of all sort of tenu as ship,

49:30

but I don't here it is from

49:33

if you want to read it. That's

49:36

really pulling a pulling a page from

49:38

the YouTube playbook there

49:40

where it's just taking an old an old

49:42

thing and Rich full manning it and saying, what about

49:45

now, what about babar

49:49

rhism, bubarism?

49:52

No, bro, we heard that last year and it's bullshit.

49:54

How did this get in my consciousness again?

49:59

Ah? Man, It's just it's

50:01

it's bad faith, it's and it's really

50:03

low energy because at the end of

50:05

the day, like it's really not savvy

50:07

older guys. It's just also

50:10

that every single political move that's

50:12

being pulled is um there's no there's

50:15

no roadmap, there's no vision for what

50:17

the country is meant to be. There's no

50:19

forward progress. It's literally all

50:22

just attack politics, Like the entire

50:25

basis of Republican thinking

50:27

appears to be like funk

50:29

everyone, like just fuck everyone

50:31

else. And it's it's the the you

50:33

know, the governing principle. I

50:36

mean it's it's like it's it's

50:38

literally unfathomable. Oh, I mean not

50:40

literally anymore, but it seems so unfathomable

50:42

that it's like that can that's enough

50:45

to not only for

50:47

them, I just I can't even articulate

50:49

it. It's just what's

50:51

the what's the end game? The

50:55

end game is like size everything and

50:57

like enriched the like oligarchical

51:00

club. It's that's it's that's really the end

51:02

game. You know, when you look at how cities

51:04

go bankrupt and then you know, utilities

51:07

are privatized and things like that, that's just the pattern

51:09

um that you

51:12

know will eventually fully play out

51:14

and a lot of people are profiting off

51:16

of things while many others

51:18

suffer because it's the only way. Like it's just

51:20

it's you're watching it hollow itself out

51:22

and they don't even realize what the long

51:25

term effects are, like in the sense that even

51:27

if you are depressing your

51:29

the wages of your workers, that in

51:31

turn creates less fucking consumers

51:33

for the goods that you have, and then being

51:36

like, what the fuss is going on? I

51:38

thought we can just keep people at these depressed wages,

51:40

but they can't consume, and it's like, I

51:42

don't know what funk it. Let's just be let's just focus

51:45

our attention somewhere else so we can just continue

51:47

to enrich ourselves. It's I

51:49

think that's all it's headed towards.

51:51

But at the end of the day, it's just that we're

51:54

just we've arrived at that point where the

51:57

whole like lie of America that most

51:59

people who weren't who didn't

52:02

look like you know, your cookie cutter American

52:04

have always believed this is what the country

52:07

has been, and now just so disgustingly

52:09

transparent, like there's just no way to hide it it

52:11

anymore. Before there are a million ways to convince

52:14

yourself maybe it's okay, but now it's

52:16

like, oh, yeah, yeah, oh it is a ghoulish country.

52:19

From New Zealand. The impression is very much like,

52:21

because we grow up with so much of your

52:25

You'll meet, you know, we were constantly

52:27

your your pr machine has been an overdrive.

52:29

My entire living and breathing life,

52:32

and it's sort of broadcasts American exceptionalism,

52:35

like you know, it's this pristy TV show

52:37

America with the best at everything, and

52:39

then it does it's standing to feel like what we're

52:41

seeing is the behind the

52:43

scenes making of documentary.

52:47

It's like, what this

52:49

is the show right

52:52

right, right? But how do you put none of this stuff? And this

52:54

is I mean, it's a I'll stay it again.

52:56

It's a tough watch, but it does feel like it's

52:58

all being laid beer and like because

53:00

you've taught yourselves, you've you've

53:03

you've self trained to point

53:06

high definition cameras that your at your country

53:08

for so long, it's like you can't

53:10

figure out how to stop broadcasting when the show

53:13

starts going off the rails because

53:16

like, you know, we get I mean,

53:18

New Zealand is not it's not a perfect it's

53:20

not a perfect place. I'm sure that all of our

53:23

problems seem very you know, backwater

53:25

and trivial from what's happening over

53:27

there. But it's like, um, I would say

53:30

instead of backwater, I would say aspirational.

53:35

But it's you know, like it's

53:37

still you know, you guys

53:39

dominate the net, the international airwaves

53:42

so so frequently

53:45

it's just um and you

53:47

know, it's it's a bit of global schadenfreuda

53:50

too. It's

53:52

those assholes nub one

53:55

worst, the worst part of it until like I'm

53:57

actually engaged in conversation with you guys,

53:59

or like you know, if I if I properly delve into

54:01

what's happening, and there is a certain element of like

54:03

it's the worst part of the New Zealand and me this. We

54:05

have this thing called tall poppy syndrome where if anyone

54:07

gets too big for the boots, you want to see them cut down.

54:10

But um, there's a little bit of like, wow, you

54:13

know you're trying myself. Yeah,

54:15

we don't just watch the good bits

54:18

right at the same time, like

54:20

I can you call it schadenfreude when

54:22

the people that you're watching,

54:25

you know, get at least brought to some

54:27

form of justice or at least exposed

54:31

have been like killing people

54:33

from other countries wantingly without

54:36

like consequence and then just ignoring

54:39

that in there. It's so complex,

54:43

like a beautiful like platonium

54:46

rod that you don't realize is

54:48

killing you. A

54:51

lot of the what has being broadcasted

54:53

like it genuinely looks like America is

54:55

in a in a state we're

54:57

traditionally, um, a country

55:00

like America would come in as a farm, imperial

55:02

power and care business.

55:04

I mean, if only like Instagram likes and

55:06

influencers were as valuable as let's say

55:09

fossil fuels or oil, uh,

55:11

then maybe people would come to harvest that in

55:13

the name of democracy. But it's i

55:16

mean speaking of the endgame. There there

55:18

were these papers leaked uh

55:21

to BuzzFeed News

55:23

earlier I think or in

55:26

the last week. It's being called

55:28

the fins End leak. But it's

55:30

just you know, more

55:32

evidence the capitalism is broken without

55:34

way more regulation. But it's

55:36

all about two trillion dollars

55:39

worth of crime being legitimized

55:41

by the financial institutions

55:44

that are supposed to sort of

55:47

lockdown that. You know, it's the

55:49

massive it's Deutsche Bank, it's HSBC,

55:52

it's JP Morgan, it's the

55:54

um financial institutions that are supposedly

55:57

so big that you had to bail them out

56:00

because they're you know, the

56:02

whole lynchpin that the whole thing

56:04

is based on. UM. Yeah,

56:07

two trillion dollars of transactions and this

56:09

is just like a very small, like tip of

56:11

the Iceberg situation, uh,

56:14

where you know they were

56:17

knowingly letting these

56:19

transactions go through that were

56:23

basically part of blatant

56:25

money laundering and blatant financial

56:28

scams that we're

56:30

funding terrorism and funding Uh

56:33

you know, there were Ponzi schemes. They

56:35

were terrorism, Russian

56:38

crime, Russian organized

56:40

crime, um, and they

56:42

were What was happening is, you

56:44

know, small businesses would

56:47

work with somebody who would

56:49

get access to their

56:52

money and like their payroll taxes,

56:54

which just like half years worth of payroll

56:56

taxes would disappear, uh and

56:59

it would be uh

57:01

funneled to these accounts.

57:03

And because Deutsche Banker,

57:06

you know, these supposedly trustworthy

57:09

institutions would vouch for

57:11

these schemes, that money would just disappear

57:14

instead of being like a thing where you're like, oh,

57:17

this is fraud, like can you help me

57:19

get this back or you know, say

57:22

bygones, be bygones when like when

57:24

somebody has clearly like stolen your

57:26

credit card or something. Instead of

57:28

that, these small businesses either went

57:30

out of business or had to lay people

57:32

off because uh,

57:35

you know some financial

57:37

institution it was like better for the bottom line

57:39

of some financial institution. UM.

57:42

So yeah, that's that's

57:44

something that was just and

57:48

I mean there's a Panama papers, there's

57:50

this, there's every fucking

57:53

leak on earth. You need to say,

57:56

come on y'all, like it's

57:58

it's all happening in the top up. You know,

58:00

two percent or half a percent

58:03

are completely just siphoning all

58:05

of the wealth and stability out of this country.

58:07

Um, yet we still many

58:10

people still cannot go arrive

58:12

at that point intellectually where you say

58:15

this is an this is completely unsustainable

58:18

and unable to connect the dots to how

58:20

that affects them. Where yes, Like to

58:22

your point, a business who has been

58:25

fucked over by this like massive money

58:28

laundering scheme involving these large banks

58:30

has to lay off people. People have

58:32

no jobs, people can't pay rent

58:35

or take care of themselves, and that creates

58:37

like it's not just the financial

58:39

aspects, it causes trauma

58:42

all across the board. And I think a lot of

58:44

people can't connect those two either of like it's

58:46

like, wow, those guys made a lot of money.

58:48

It's like, no, man, you know what two trillion dollars

58:50

worth of trauma human trauma looks like because

58:53

you pulled two million to trillion dollars out of the economy.

58:56

That's also another measure that people

58:58

need to understand, like how

59:00

to also see how we measure these things because

59:02

it's not purely that like it's hard to conceptualize

59:04

two trillion dollars and what that does,

59:07

But if you think about how many people

59:10

could use, you know, what two trillion dollars

59:12

does for people who have been laid off or loss

59:15

their health insurance or are seeking housing

59:18

things like that, that's where you begin to

59:20

see what is happening here. And when

59:22

people are just sitting on that money and people are

59:25

like also need the support, it should

59:27

really be disgusting to people and it should be a very

59:29

quick idea or a quick conclusion to make

59:31

the saying we have to rebalance this for

59:33

the good of everyone. But again, I

59:35

think through our media and things like that, we've

59:38

really done a good job with inoculating people

59:40

against this and making it such

59:42

a like asport, like this idea of you

59:44

know, we protect millionaires because we still

59:46

treated as this like aspirational thing because

59:50

we have all these like you know, visions

59:52

of like successful people that we think we can

59:54

also be that you know, we have this like weird

59:57

fake class solidarity with the

59:59

well fiefs. Yeah, there's

1:00:01

that documentary The Act of Killing from

1:00:04

two thousand twelve that I always talked about,

1:00:06

but uh, it's basically about this

1:00:08

genocide that happened in Indonesia

1:00:11

where a democratically elected

1:00:15

leader was replaced by a dictator

1:00:18

with not necessarily the help but

1:00:20

at least the complicity of the United States.

1:00:22

And uh, like we

1:00:24

tend to we prefer dictators and

1:00:26

fascism to socialism.

1:00:29

And the people who

1:00:32

commit the genocide are like

1:00:34

who do the actual killing. It's called the act

1:00:37

of killing because the stars of this documentary

1:00:39

are the actual people who

1:00:41

are on the street directing or actually physically

1:00:43

doing the killing of like thousands of

1:00:45

people. And they like

1:00:48

associate American capitalism

1:00:50

with gangsters. They're like those are one

1:00:52

and the same, and they think gangsters are cool and

1:00:54

like they're the aspirational thing. And

1:00:57

it just like that. Ever since I

1:00:59

saw that, American capitalism

1:01:01

made like more sense to me that, um,

1:01:05

like the way they think of it as like socialism

1:01:07

and things like that are for uh

1:01:10

you know, nerds, nerds,

1:01:12

and then American capitalism and

1:01:14

capitalists success are for like the gangsters,

1:01:17

and like that's what's cool. Like, those

1:01:19

are the two sides, the two

1:01:21

poles. Do you think there's also an element

1:01:24

of self delusion

1:01:27

where it's like, you know, people would rather associate

1:01:30

themselves with the strata

1:01:33

or traditionally above, and so it's like they don't

1:01:35

actually see that the money

1:01:38

or whatever the trauma is coming out

1:01:40

from them totally is they're

1:01:42

mentally associating with the where

1:01:44

it's happening from. Yeah,

1:01:47

it truly is this. It's easier to

1:01:49

think I'm going to be rich than I

1:01:51

am poor right now, and

1:01:53

I think not enough people are coming to

1:01:55

grips with that. And I think also

1:01:58

too, like you like, even like the stories

1:02:00

we tell on TV, like they're not not

1:02:02

a lot are very realistic in terms of

1:02:04

like, you know, most houses that

1:02:06

we see the characters live in those

1:02:08

aren't houses anyone like you know. That's

1:02:11

like you have to be of You have to have a pretty significant

1:02:13

income for your home to look like the

1:02:15

people on TV, but we're shown

1:02:17

that as being normal. So

1:02:20

that also creates like a sense of shame around

1:02:22

what you're able to afford, because if that's

1:02:24

the baseline, then you're kind of like, Okay,

1:02:27

I'll get there, I'll get there. I'll get there. I'll get there. That's

1:02:29

just I just gotta keep working and I'll get there. I'll get

1:02:31

there, rather than saying, like, hold the funk up, Why aren't

1:02:33

I there right now? Why isn't this normal?

1:02:35

Why do I have three jobs

1:02:38

to barely afford my apartment?

1:02:41

Um, because I think we still have this

1:02:43

idea like we can get there, rather than saying

1:02:45

like we need to actually flip over the fucking

1:02:47

table, rather than

1:02:49

still still sit at it and wait

1:02:51

for our hand, that hand to get dealt to

1:02:54

us. It's like fun that it's not gonna happen, not

1:02:56

not at this rate or else you probably

1:02:58

wait have to wait for fucking life times for something

1:03:00

like that to happen, or at least work for fucking

1:03:02

lifetimes to earn that amount of money. Yeah,

1:03:06

it's always interesting when an American TV

1:03:08

show or movie decides to show class

1:03:11

in any way like that's considered

1:03:14

revolutionary as opposed to just like the

1:03:16

status quo UM, whereas

1:03:18

the status quo is just a

1:03:22

like fairy tale where people

1:03:25

where a blogger in New York City

1:03:27

can live in like an amazing apartment

1:03:30

in sex in the city, or like uh,

1:03:33

or like friends that these are people

1:03:35

who never seem to work, who like

1:03:37

live in amazing apartments in Manhattan,

1:03:40

when like that became

1:03:42

impossible, Like all

1:03:46

those shows also always become like, you

1:03:48

know, it's this brave TV show

1:03:50

acknowledges that income in equality

1:03:52

exists. It's not people living

1:03:54

their lives ordinarily, it's

1:03:57

the fact that they had up against it. As

1:03:59

the concentration of the show. Yeah,

1:04:03

yeah, you're not seeing a life just being

1:04:05

lived. You're like, you know, you're watching someone

1:04:07

aspire to leave a lot,

1:04:10

right. Yeah. Uh,

1:04:12

well, guy, it's been great

1:04:16

having you on pleasure, damn pleasure.

1:04:19

Despite our country

1:04:21

disintegrating around us. It's great

1:04:24

to get your perspective on

1:04:27

on what that disintegration looks like. It's

1:04:30

like a little uh

1:04:32

solar system going supernova in the

1:04:34

sky from from where you're

1:04:37

stand, Yeah, it's all a

1:04:39

little different down here. Do you

1:04:41

know how you guys are transitioning into the full

1:04:44

Yeah, well this get

1:04:46

a hold of this. We're we're

1:04:48

in spring, baby,

1:04:51

and I hear coronavirus is at a at

1:04:54

a low there too. Huh. What's it like in spring?

1:04:56

Hopefully that's what our spring will look like. Yeah,

1:04:59

well, in spring, you can look forward to being

1:05:02

allowed out of the house again. Do

1:05:04

you know what I'm going to do today? I'm gonna

1:05:07

fly on an airplane to visit

1:05:09

my folks in

1:05:11

a different city. That's right. How

1:05:14

long is a flight across New Zealand.

1:05:17

I'm flying more or less the entire length of the

1:05:19

country, and I believe it is um

1:05:21

two hours and ten minutes. Nice,

1:05:25

It's like it's not long.

1:05:27

What's the car ride? Then? Like seven

1:05:29

hours? I would would

1:05:32

be across island, so it would take seven hours

1:05:34

to get to Wellington and then a ferry

1:05:36

which is about three and a half four hours, and

1:05:38

then it would be another sort

1:05:40

of seven or eight hour drive. I guess

1:05:43

all right, take the plane, take the plane. Planes

1:05:45

go fast? Man, just

1:05:48

doing some cocktail napkin math here.

1:05:50

Yeah, I would take the plane.

1:05:53

Well, I'll stick to the plane. I head in place. Thanks

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by. I

1:06:00

always want to check in man, guy, Where

1:06:02

can people find you and follow you?

1:06:04

You can find me across my Twitter

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and Instagram at Guy underscore

1:06:09

Mont and my

1:06:11

podcast The Worst Idea of all Time is

1:06:14

currently embarking on a new Misguided

1:06:17

season, So if you want to check

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that out. It's my men and another comedian and

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friend Tim Batt. Previously,

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we've watched and review the same movie every

1:06:27

week for a year, and this year

1:06:29

we've done something different where where um,

1:06:32

there's a softcore pornography franchise

1:06:34

that in New Zealand you would grow up with called

1:06:36

a Manuel. Oh yeah.

1:06:39

There are fifty plus of these

1:06:41

films in various different spinoffs, and we are slowly

1:06:45

mowing our way through the back catalog. So

1:06:49

how did you join us? Um?

1:06:51

Honestly, it's a different it's a different kind of

1:06:53

beast from what I'm used to like, you know, it's

1:06:56

it's it is less

1:06:58

mentally arduous, would say

1:07:01

to um, to experience

1:07:03

a different piece of media. Who knew? You

1:07:07

know? It's so it's I

1:07:09

mean, I I think we're we're sort of hitting our steps.

1:07:11

We've watched eight of them now and the movies

1:07:14

have gone from sort of this genuinely

1:07:16

quite artful attempt to create

1:07:19

some sort of cinematic experience to just like

1:07:21

that, it's transitioning to mid nineties

1:07:23

kind of bizarro world

1:07:25

softcore porn. It's not

1:07:27

long until we land in America with the

1:07:30

Manuel Lost in Space series.

1:07:33

Yeah, Man on space. Yeah, I'm very

1:07:35

excited for oh yeah,

1:07:37

what that was on Skinner

1:07:40

Max We so lovingly called it

1:07:44

I forget. In New Zealand, they'd play on

1:07:46

there's just like a very sort

1:07:49

of rudimentary cable access

1:07:51

was called Sky and there's like this channel

1:07:53

called Sky one And on a Friday

1:07:56

at midnight, these movies would start playing,

1:07:58

and so you hope everyone was in bed and you'd have the

1:08:00

TV on the last volume and oh yeah,

1:08:02

you know you you'd catch a glimpse of your

1:08:04

first ber midriff and you'd say, oh,

1:08:07

I can't wait to be old enough one day to understand

1:08:09

why something that

1:08:13

was going on with do they show nudity

1:08:15

on TV in New

1:08:18

Zealand? I

1:08:20

don't tell my Emmanuel after after

1:08:22

Sitting now is after? Yeah,

1:08:25

we're very cool, pretty similar

1:08:28

broadcast Guideline And is

1:08:30

there a tweet or some of the work of social

1:08:32

media you've been enjoying, did you? Yeah? There

1:08:34

was a tweet actually, um I

1:08:36

dug up specifically for this moment,

1:08:38

which is by an account date at

1:08:41

David eight Hughes. David Hughes,

1:08:44

it's quite an old one, but it sort of

1:08:46

was doing the round skin recently, which was son

1:08:48

hands me a picture he painted me, what's

1:08:51

that son? It's our

1:08:54

house? Me walks outside

1:08:56

with son. Do you see

1:08:58

how it absolutely isn't? Oh

1:09:03

man? Kids

1:09:06

are such shitty artists. Miles

1:09:14

where can people find you? What the tweet you've been enjoying?

1:09:16

Uh? Find me on Twitter and Instagram

1:09:19

at Miles of Gray and also

1:09:21

my other podcast for twenty Day Fiance.

1:09:24

It was Sophia Alexandra on right

1:09:26

Here my Heart m uh

1:09:29

tweet I'm liking uh one

1:09:31

which just made me laugh felt like a very l a tweet.

1:09:33

It's from past guest Travis at

1:09:35

your Ot tweeted, I just remember

1:09:37

the last time I was in l A. My friend took me to

1:09:39

a party and halfway through the party was like, this

1:09:42

is Susan Sandon's house. Feels

1:09:46

like a very thing. You realized like,

1:09:48

what the funk? Why is all these pictures of um?

1:09:52

And then this other tweet blew up earlier

1:09:54

this week, but I just love it as someone who went to uh,

1:09:56

you know, Catholic and Lutheran schools

1:09:58

growing up. This is from at Mr Silky

1:10:01

Smooth twenty four tweeted,

1:10:03

it's not pre marital sex. If y'all never

1:10:05

get married, follow me for more biblical

1:10:08

loopholes. That

1:10:10

was mine for the day, But I can find another.

1:10:13

Oh ship that's so good. Uh.

1:10:16

Phil Jamison tweeted, every

1:10:19

head is a top hat a bottom hat issues.

1:10:22

Um, it's

1:10:25

not wrong, it's not Uh.

1:10:28

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1:10:30

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1:10:41

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1:10:43

link off to the information that we talked about in

1:10:45

today's episode, as well as the song

1:10:48

we ride out on miles? What are we

1:10:50

riding out on today? This is

1:10:52

a track from Doll d

1:10:55

a L featuring Leah Yeager.

1:10:58

I'm not familiar with either of these aretists, but I'm familiar

1:11:01

with the vibe. The track is called Those Days,

1:11:03

and it's just very laid back. It's

1:11:06

like so laid back, like you feel like the drummer

1:11:08

might be falling asleep because they're just so behind

1:11:10

the beat and the basis might you

1:11:12

know, have been woken up from a nap because it's just

1:11:14

so laid back. Uh. This is just

1:11:17

you know, a great track to listen to given

1:11:19

the state of things, So just go back

1:11:21

with some relaxed vibes and think about

1:11:23

those days, whatever those days mean to you.

1:11:26

Yeah, classic songs always talking about

1:11:29

these days? What about those? About

1:11:31

those over there? But then they got a song

1:11:33

that is to reminisce. Yeah.

1:11:37

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