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Hello the Internet. Yes,

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it's me. That means it's substitute

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time. And it's season two, twenty

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eight, episode one of the Daily that guy

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stopped production by Heart Radio.

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This is the podcast where we take

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a deep dive into America's

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shared consciousness. It is Monday,

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March fourteen two.

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We all know what that is. That means, it's sucking

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Pie Day three one four. Put it

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in the air, whether or not you're celebrating the

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mathematical concept of pie or

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you love a wonderful baked dessert

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as pie. I shout out to this guy

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used to play soccer with On Pie Day.

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He would have a party. He was like an engineer, but also

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make a like a spread of pies. Always

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missed out on it because it didn't feel

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like the event for me, but I respected.

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I am Miles great. Like I said, A k

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a oh, let's try this, A k A. I

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wish you would eat from the right

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and my friend, you

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could take the time to peel it

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how the banana gods intend

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and if you want to start at

1:03

the stem, I won't understand.

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And and that was in reference to the past

1:10

guests talking about eating apples from the

1:12

bottom, eating bananas

1:14

from the bottom. Okay, like these are

1:17

apparently these are new techniques of eating these

1:19

fruits. I did not know. Shout out to Scouting

1:21

Coop on the discoord. But let's

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not distract from me. Let's talk

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about today's guest go host, one

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of my favorites. I don't even think I need to

1:30

introduce this person. I'll

1:33

just say, what do you hear that? Ma?

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Was that a goat? I don't know. Maybe it

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is. Maybe it's one of my favorite co hosts

1:40

and people in podcasting, the just

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uber talented producer, host,

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media critic, media everything,

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lives and breeds everything media

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and helps me look good. Without

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further ado, please welcome my guest host, Joel Won.

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Let's up, Miles. How you doing great?

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I'm great. Great. It's PI Day. You

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know it is pie Day, a

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blessing. Unto us, it gets

2:07

your cheap pie because it's out

2:09

there. Yeah, I mean, i'd imagine, right,

2:11

like, shouldn't like a Marie coundars do something like

2:14

they all do it. Listen, if you're near

2:16

a milk bar, you can go in you

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get some of the milk far pie for like

2:21

I think they're for three dollars and fourteen cents

2:23

or something like, oh you can that

2:26

sugar bumb for three dollars and fourteen cents,

2:28

Go live your best life. I

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had I'm not okay, full disclosure. I had one of

2:32

the milk bar pies, which use let's

2:35

let's not forget the problem. Remember

2:38

we're not gonna talk about it. But I

2:40

had one of those, and after

2:42

eating a slice of that pie, I had a cookie

2:44

and the cookie tasted like salt because

2:47

my my like sugar receptors are

2:49

so blown out from having one slice of that pie,

2:52

I could only taste the salt in a cookie.

2:54

Anyway, shout out to that. But without

2:57

further ado, let's welcome

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today's guest. You know, it's not often

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this podcast is graced with you know, Emmy

3:04

and Peabody Award winning producer,

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writer's podcast talents,

3:09

and even people with wonderful

3:12

accents from abroad. I

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am thrilled to welcome today's

3:17

guest. You might know them. Actually they've been on the

3:19

show before, back then for you know, working

3:21

on a show called Forgotten Women of Wires. And

3:24

also you might remember them from the show Sleepwalkers.

3:26

Okay, also another I heard joint, But

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without further ado, please Welcome to

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the stage. Mr oz Wolla

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Sha hiy

3:37

hi Miles. Nice to be here again. Hi Joel's

3:39

very nice to be on the show with you as well. Thank

3:41

you for having me. I've been dusting

3:43

off those those Emmys and Peabody's in

3:45

preparations. There you go, just

3:48

looking at them. I think

3:50

there's a twinkle in your eye, or rather or rather entertaining

3:53

twinkle as you listed off my ten year old

3:55

credits. Better. Those

3:58

are awards. Don't be modested, you

4:00

know what I mean? Ten years ago? What was I doing?

4:03

I got to talk about that. I got a video

4:05

on the front page of BuzzFeed because I got so

4:07

fucked up drinking boxed wine. You

4:10

know that's that's pretty good that

4:13

I was hit. Yeah,

4:17

you can't find that video on the internet anymore. Oh,

4:20

look at crafty scrub my

4:22

worst mistakes from the internet. They're out there. As

4:25

I can tell, you're over the awards because you're

4:27

the first person who has those awards that hasn't had them

4:29

framed in the background of your image.

4:32

Every time I have award winning person, they're liking these are

4:34

my awards, just casually placed behind me. Didn't

4:36

set it out that way. That's where they live. Oh,

4:38

thank you, thank you for giving me the favor

4:41

of telling the listeners I don't. I don't have

4:43

those behind me. I do have some very strange family

4:45

photographs as an old tennis balls,

4:47

because even two and a half years into COVID, I haven't

4:49

figured out how to do that elegant zoom

4:51

behind bluff me, and so everyone gets

4:53

to look deep into my I think

4:55

in a way that's its own thing, right, Like you

4:57

see people with really well you

5:00

know, designed, intentionally placed

5:02

backdrops furthers because I get it. We live in

5:04

a zoom world and we have ship like room raiders

5:07

where people will be like, look at this person is wrong? But

5:10

what the I mean? If anything, I feel like it

5:12

should represent who you are. And if

5:14

you look at my background background, you know I

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don't. I'm not really that instant designing

5:18

the background. In fact, I'm just some guy

5:20

in a room that's kind of dirty.

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So that's who I am. Any

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do you have any love for pie oz on pie day

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three? On four? I mean, funny enough,

5:30

I didn't put two and two together. I didn't know what you were talking

5:32

about, but I was smiling and nodding as all good

5:34

oh yeah, I guess it's slowly out.

5:38

Yeah, because I guess you do it different in the

5:40

UK would be fourteen three yeah

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exactly, yeah, yeah, But I but Pie Day. I mean,

5:44

it's good to Pie Day and Friday coincide because

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I think Piday would feel a little bit sad if it wasn't also

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Friday. So oh, technically this is Monday.

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I don't

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nothing, the secret nothing to brighten up

5:56

on Monday like day exactly

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exactly. Well, then, I guess like

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in the UK, because since the day comes before

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the month, today will be one for three, I love

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you day. Yeah,

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think about that we did? Did y'all not do that

6:11

in the UK? One for three? Like I'm

6:13

sure I'm sure the other kids did. But yeah,

6:17

sure. I think this

6:19

is like old person pager code talk,

6:21

because that's where it first started.

6:24

You'd be like yo, and then my, my, my little shorty

6:26

in sixth grade would hit my little page here with

6:28

one for three. He did not. I I was a page

6:30

here in sixth grade. I

6:33

did. I said, I don't want anything except

6:35

a pager and my grandma, come

6:38

on you, granny rest

6:41

in peace. She got me that because that's what granny's are

6:43

supposed to do. They spoil you even though, like what does

6:45

he need a pager for? He's like in school,

6:47

he needs a page And I'm like, thank

6:49

you. Gotta love you, gotta love

6:51

the grandparents. Okay, Oz, we're going to get

6:53

to know you a little bit better, aside

6:56

from the fact that you're a humble, your modest

6:58

and you don't like to waive your awards and faces.

7:00

But we're going to talk a little bit, just give people a

7:02

preview. But we're going to talk about just a quick heat

7:05

check on Trump. You know, where is he at

7:07

with everything? We like to always kind of just check in

7:09

to see what's his Is his death grip

7:11

on the party still strong? Is it relaxing?

7:14

Is it going to be the thing that brings the party now? I

7:16

don't know. Let's just look at a few dimensions and we'll

7:18

go from there. We'll also talk

7:20

about this idea of being a patriot

7:23

at the pump man. All

7:25

these Americans are willing to pay higher

7:27

gas prices to you know, just

7:29

to help in solidarity for

7:31

the people of Ukraine and to

7:34

to to give really to stick it to

7:36

putin. But is that is

7:38

this is this from the gas industry

7:40

what are we talking about when we say we're being patriotic

7:42

by enduring high prices. I

7:45

think that's more of a profiteering

7:47

thing than anything. So we'll talk about

7:49

that also, Joel. Look,

7:52

this is why I'm almost like, come on, break

7:54

me off with something interesting, because you know, I have

7:56

my head in the newspaper so much. Yeah,

7:59

literally, newspapers all the time. I

8:01

don't know what's happening out there with the entertainment.

8:04

And you've got something interesting about Daniel Khaluya.

8:07

It's a it's a bomb. When it hit yesterday,

8:09

I said, what is happening? Okay,

8:12

we got we gotta get it to the bottom of it. Okay, So

8:14

we're going to get to the bottom of it. We're gonna find out what's going

8:17

on with Daniel Khalia. We'll talk about all that plentymore.

8:19

But first, Ah,

8:21

what is something from your search history that's

8:23

revealing about who you are, what you're into right

8:25

now? Well, fun, you should ask.

8:28

I am just started a new

8:30

podcast company with Mangesh,

8:33

who I know you know very well, and

8:37

shout up, he truly

8:40

is my better hulf in this in this business.

8:43

I'm sorry for everyone that is me, not him. I'm

8:45

sitting here, but he came up

8:47

with the name for our company, which is Kaleidoscope.

8:50

And I just saw that. I saw the trades. I saw

8:53

you'all sign a deal with wm ME. You know what I'm

8:55

saying. I saw that you might hear the deadline

8:58

keeping out with the trades. Because and

9:01

so we called the company Kaleidoscope. And

9:04

a lot of people asked us why we called

9:06

the kaleidoscope, and

9:08

and so I've been doing some homework after

9:10

the fact on kaleidoscopes. You

9:14

always the best time to do your homework after the

9:17

real answer. I had all name exactly

9:20

well, I mean, it is, it is. We thought it was a

9:22

cool name. We liked the idea of different perspective

9:25

of colors, of you know, a

9:27

moment of wonder, all that kind of thing.

9:29

But it turns out that kaleidoscopes were actually

9:32

invented in the Victorian era

9:34

at the same time the Industrial Revolution

9:36

was happening, and so, you know, then

9:39

there are all these new technologies like the steamship

9:42

and telegrams and people moving to the

9:44

city and rail and

9:46

it was just a time when the kind of the world

9:48

was being turned into data much more crude

9:51

data than now. But but where like basically

9:54

there was all this stuff happening and at the same

9:56

time all these new tools for looking

9:58

at the world came into exist. Since

10:00

so the calidoscope, the telescope,

10:02

the periscope, Sherlock Holmes

10:04

is very famous, magnifying glass,

10:06

stay is not another scope. But I

10:09

think what we're hoping with the

10:11

podcast we made for Kaleidoscope will

10:13

be kind of helping people makes sense

10:15

of the world and providing a new perspective.

10:18

And it we just sort it was interesting

10:20

that this kind of bulge

10:22

of of new technologies to look at the world

10:24

in new ways came about

10:26

when everyone was struggling to process

10:29

modernity and right now, like

10:31

I think everyone's struggling to process postmodernity.

10:33

So we hope that will make some podcasts

10:36

that you know, at the very least are provocative

10:38

and and and fun and pay off our

10:40

rather lofty name. I think it will.

10:42

I mean, I've with my limited

10:45

experience in interacting with you ares I mean,

10:47

I think we called each other in l A a couple

10:49

of months ago, you know, and I between

10:52

you a mango, I feel like you will probably

10:54

be able to deliver on that and the explanation

10:56

too. I was like, I'm sure people like in

10:58

a in a meeting would be like, yeah, why kaleidoscope,

11:00

Like you know, just kind of how like it kind of gives you

11:03

new perspective, could twist it and then one thing

11:05

looks like this like wow, that's cool. But

11:07

then you're talking about no man, people are struggling to deal

11:09

with post modernity and they're like, oh my god, no,

11:11

I wouldn't. I wouldn't say it in l

11:13

A normally, but we know each other one enough. Yeah.

11:16

Yeah, but I think

11:18

that's that's a good that's a really

11:20

great explanation. Oh man, I

11:22

used to I sued to love I had this one

11:24

kaleidoscope. I couldn't. I

11:27

still think about how many hours

11:29

I could look through a kaleidoscope, like

11:31

as a kid and always be like damn,

11:34

it's like always different. Oh, you bought the bus right

11:38

here, and it is how do I look?

11:40

You look? Well, I can't see you, but I can see a very beautiful

11:42

question. I mean, having a

11:45

free toy that you can just spend

11:47

hours looking through and seeing something

11:49

new every second, that's kind of amazing. Actually,

11:52

these were the cell phones of the Victorian era,

11:54

parents and priests and moralists

11:57

said that people were starting to ignore the real

11:59

world, seduced by their kalidoscopes,

12:01

bumping their heads into walls as they wandered

12:03

around because they were so obsessed by these dangerous

12:05

toys. So it's interesting how history repeats

12:08

itself again and again. Oh

12:10

my god, they're probably like street

12:12

car verse pedestrian incidents, or like

12:14

person was just looking at their damn kaleidoscope

12:16

walked into the road,

12:19

and there was a scandal over the patents of who

12:22

owned the kaleidoscope. There was some commercial litigation

12:24

that guy who mentored the kalidoscope, as

12:26

always happens, didn't profit from it, even though it became

12:29

the most popular toy with the Victorian era. So

12:31

there's a lot of a lot of world history buried

12:34

in a little guy whould

12:36

have thought, who's the thoughts? What's

12:38

something you think is overrated?

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Well, turning the tone slightly

12:43

bleaker than kaleidoscopes. I come

12:45

from a Ukrainian My grandfather's

12:48

Ukrainian refugee, and so we

12:51

don't have any family in Ukraine anymore. With

12:53

a couple of family. Friends have been watching

12:56

that situation with with tremendous sadness

12:58

and feeling conflicted on the one hand, you know,

13:00

wanting to very much support

13:03

the fight of the Ukrainians, on the

13:05

other hand, being a bit worried

13:07

about the Ukrainians being co opted

13:10

by you know, the good guys into

13:13

into this war which

13:16

is going to be just a tremendous, tremendous cost

13:18

to human life. So it's a very complicated

13:21

situation. And I think, like the you

13:23

know, I think one of the things which would overrated is the is

13:26

the violent hot take.

13:28

And so when I saw that Facebook

13:31

was making a special exception to allow

13:33

hate speech temporarily on its platform,

13:36

I thought that was pretty overy

13:38

overrated. They said, as a

13:40

result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, we have temporarily

13:42

made allowances for forms of political expression

13:45

that would normally violate our rules,

13:47

like violent speech, such as death

13:49

to Russian invaders. We still won't

13:51

allow credible calls for violence against

13:54

Russian civilians. Now, I don't know how

13:56

you define a credible call for violence

13:58

against a Russian civilian, But the

14:00

one person I wouldn't want to be making that judgment

14:03

is Facebook. Yeah. Absolutely,

14:05

they have a pretty horrendous

14:07

track record. It seems when they're saying

14:09

like, oh, this group

14:12

of angry people kind of got away from

14:14

us and now it's spilling into real world violence

14:17

against you know, groups of like innocent

14:19

people. Yeah, it is. It is always

14:21

interesting to see. And it

14:24

was like a curious decision, right because do

14:26

you think that's for them to sort of be

14:28

able to begin to reason that there

14:30

are acceptable forms of

14:32

hate speech? You know what I mean? And

14:34

I get like what your point is. Right, of

14:36

course, people of Ukraine are

14:38

going to look at an invasion

14:40

of Russian military is being like, yo,

14:43

fuck this, fuck these people, funk

14:45

all of this. And on one hand, I think that's

14:47

where meta there's Facebook.

14:50

Facebook is like hmmm, like

14:52

I feel that, I feel that, I get I get where they're

14:54

coming from. But on the other hand, when

14:56

it's just gonna be like un

15:00

eased, untethered, like just

15:02

absolute anger, just directed I just the

15:04

idea of Russians, then

15:07

that's eventually going to God's

15:09

problems. I mean, I think a lot of Asian American people

15:11

already saw the fallout of people even calling the

15:14

coronavirus China flu or saying

15:16

Wuhan flu and ship like that, and that

15:19

even something that small can turn

15:21

into hate crimes. Yeah, it feels

15:23

like a bit of a slippery slope, it doesn't.

15:25

I know, we're going to talk about patriotism at the gas

15:28

pumps. I remember the boycott

15:30

on French fries after nine eleven because the

15:32

French friend wanted to join the invasion

15:34

of Afghanistan, so including them although it

15:36

wasn't that was the invasion of Iraq, I think. So they rebranded

15:39

is Freedom Fries and

15:41

McDonald's just I think closed down their their

15:43

branches in Moscow. I mean, none of this stuff

15:46

is is straightforward, but the the kind

15:48

of nexus of online hate

15:50

and conflict and I don't know, it's

15:52

just I'm not it's there's no there's

15:54

no right answer, But I just I don't think that the kind

15:57

of the turning on the taps of the

15:59

mob is part killingly. I would say that has

16:01

overrated. Yeah and no, and it's

16:03

dangerous, especially considering too, It's like, okay,

16:05

well what happens in the summer when

16:07

you have something to say about the police who are also killing

16:10

unarmed people? Yeah, well that's hate

16:12

speech and that's dangerous, Like well, what where

16:14

why are you the arbiters of this? And

16:16

if it's if one thing is bad, then it also

16:19

it always has to be bad. But I think that's

16:21

the problem when you have profit

16:23

minded companies trying

16:25

to like pars through the discourse

16:27

and be like, well, this is this and

16:31

it's a very it's almost

16:33

like the internet's fucked up

16:36

and it's only exactly I

16:38

don't know. That's my hot tache for today.

16:41

The Internet's fucked up. Your face.

16:44

You heard it here first, and this is the only place

16:46

it's ever been muttered, thank you. Yeah,

16:48

it's yeah, it's it's I

16:51

think it's really it's hard to

16:53

watch too, because I think for

16:55

me being from like my like

16:58

coming from an immigrant, My mom's

17:00

an immigrant, and just the idea of being

17:02

out of a place that you consider your home and

17:04

sort of looking on to watch like

17:07

the destruction of a place that's very near and

17:09

dear to you without any power

17:11

over it, and you see all these people beginning

17:13

to come in to figure out how they can sort

17:15

of weaponize it for their own needs is

17:18

really really fucking hard to watch. And

17:21

yeah, I just I pray

17:23

for as much positivity for people who are like

17:25

deeply emotionally affected by it. Because you have a

17:28

close friend of miners Ukrainian. It's very

17:30

difficult for her to to watch

17:32

along, especially you know, she's from Odessa and

17:34

all the news is like Odess is gonna get

17:36

smashed pretty soon, and that's a terrible

17:39

thing. Like I think most American people

17:41

are completely disconnected from that because they're

17:43

like, I don't know, I'm from you know, like like Chicago.

17:46

Like Joel, if you're like Chicago is about

17:48

to get the smash put on them, you'd be like, oh my god,

17:51

that's that's my home. But

17:53

we're already beginning to see all the ignorance and how

17:55

people view the conflict there versus

17:58

another parts of the world. It's become like

18:00

this very It's interesting what the

18:02

pandemic has done for certain levels awareness

18:04

and then what this this invasion in Ukraine

18:06

is also doing, like exposing the media is

18:08

very fucked up, like eurocentric,

18:11

white centric bias as it relates to global

18:13

like militarized conflict. And

18:15

we'll talk about the gas and oil companies

18:17

too. Just everybody's got something

18:20

to talk about as what is

18:22

something that you think is underrated? Well,

18:25

continuing my vintage technology

18:28

kick kaleidoscopes

18:30

and your pay char I think

18:32

a Larum clocks underrats it. You

18:35

know, we always read about how you shouldn't go

18:37

to bed looking at your phone last thing at

18:39

night, and I shouldn't look at your phone

18:41

first thing in the morning. And I

18:44

found myself for a little bit stressed.

18:46

Recently, I thought, why don't

18:48

I buy a laun clock and not look

18:50

at my phone lastly at night and

18:52

first thing in the morning, simply because you

18:55

know, I have the excuse that I needed to because my

18:57

alarms on it. Since buying

18:59

a Launch I put a next in my bed,

19:02

I haven't used it once. And they said

19:06

I've been doom scrolling morning and night.

19:08

However, I think the moment

19:11

I put my battery in that guy, I'm gonna

19:13

be feeling better. Yeah, it's

19:15

hard to get off the other doom scroll is dangerous,

19:18

and especially when there's something

19:20

fucked up intersecting with something

19:22

you care about. It's like they only

19:24

it's like again, It's like the Internet's

19:26

fucked up and gave us this secondary skill

19:29

to be like and now you will obsess over

19:31

this. You'll you're gonna read the same headline

19:33

written forty different ways, but you're

19:35

gonna keep scrolling in the hopes that

19:38

a new thing's gonna show up to

19:40

kind of begin to shift your focus, whether

19:42

that makes it more positive or more cynical

19:44

or nihilistic or whatever. And it's such

19:46

a fucking it's a losing

19:48

game. And yeah, it is hard to say,

19:50

like just to tell yourself, you know what get

19:53

you know, if I give myself some time, that droom scroll

19:56

be shorter because four things will have happened

19:58

and I can absorb them on once rather than making

20:00

this a long he needs

20:02

to watch the news once a day and or

20:05

get our papers twice a day. You have the morning

20:07

edition and an evening edition. And that was

20:09

all folks, what a beautiful time. Didn't

20:11

appreciate it as it was happening, would

20:14

love it back. Turning off notifications

20:16

has helped with the doom scrolling

20:19

a lot, And I can't recommend it highly

20:21

enough, Like turn off your notifications

20:24

every time because other pides. Every time you get that buzz,

20:26

you're like, what's happening? What's going on? And

20:29

I can easily lose an hour. You'll have like

20:31

a physical response to your phone buzzing

20:33

too. You'll be like, you'll be get You'll

20:35

get anxious because your phone buzzed because you're

20:37

like, what does that have to do? Is this thing I don't want to talk about,

20:39

or is this thing that's causing you stress or whatever, and

20:41

you don't want to be like that. I'd rather look at my phone

20:43

and be like, oh, look the screen has a bunch of notifications

20:46

on. I'll get to that. Yeah,

20:48

totally. I

20:51

wanted to ask you us what kind of alarm?

20:53

Is it the old eighties one that somehow still

20:55

works for everybody that's got the like almost

20:58

alarm blair? Is it one of the new

21:00

ones that does that sweet like lulling you

21:02

awake kind of vibe? Or is it like an old

21:04

school with the two bells on the top. Yeah,

21:08

well I was. I

21:11

was worried as ever this

21:13

particular anxiety. How what I was buying the alarmplock

21:15

was what if the ticking of the of the hand

21:18

is too much, too much to handle? So

21:20

it's a it's a silent tick alarm clock.

21:23

It looks like it's kind of kind of vintage

21:25

sort of air to it, But sadly

21:27

I've actually never heard it go off because I've been

21:30

using my phone. So I'll report back if you guys

21:32

ever invite me back on the show will be the

21:34

first. I will make you hold

21:36

it along with your Peabody award on

21:38

the front line, present the awards and

21:41

a long clock. Please do

21:44

you do? Okay? So you said you're failing

21:46

at not looking at your phone before going to sleep. I've

21:49

only recently began to. I

21:51

just switched to my computer. I'm

21:54

not sure that counts. I'm

21:56

like, well, it's not. It's not my phone, it's my computer,

21:59

and it's a much large erra image. I find

22:01

it easier to fall asleep when I have a computer in

22:03

front of me than my phone, which is really

22:05

weird. I don't know why, but I

22:07

do. I have gotten better at not waking

22:10

up and immediately looking at the phone, like I

22:12

like to wake up, feed my pets,

22:14

go outside, kind of like stretched my

22:16

body and then fifteen

22:20

minutes passing. So

22:23

I don't know if any of Joel, do you have any are

22:25

you? Are you? Are you glued to that ship? Well?

22:28

I have recently had to start meditating

22:31

what do I think I've talked about on this show before? Every

22:33

morning, and then any time I'm close to like being

22:35

too stressed out, like we're just gonna stop and take five

22:38

to ten minutes um and I used the calm

22:40

app to do that. So I'm

22:42

trying to get in the habit of just like hit the

22:44

calm app button, hit the meditation

22:46

playlist, and then put it down because

22:49

I was having a problem of like rolling

22:51

over like deep scroll through Twitter, deep

22:53

scroll through Instagram, like check out the stories

22:55

like it was my morning news, and then I

22:58

would play word it was things

23:01

were not getting done in the morning. So yeah,

23:03

so now I'm on like meditate, trying

23:05

to like shower, wake up,

23:07

and then just get out of my room as fast as

23:09

possible from otherwise it's

23:12

an issue and I can't be working in my room all

23:14

the time anymore. It's mindfulness,

23:17

mindfulness. Okay, uh,

23:19

let's take a quick break and we'll come back to

23:22

just just check in on Trump's

23:24

just a quick heat check, real quick. All

23:26

right, We'll be right back and

23:38

we're back time for a heat

23:40

check Trump. Okay,

23:42

last week he had he had a man

23:44

quite a week for him last week. On

23:47

Wednesday, last Wednesday, he was talking about

23:49

all during the Texas Republican

23:52

primaries, like everybody I picked, they're

23:54

winning so well, They're doing so so great.

23:56

He couldn't have been doing better. You know, he left out

23:58

the part where most of them are running on a post

24:01

but sure, uh

24:03

je factoe kingmaker here. And

24:06

he also conveniently ignored how many of

24:08

his other hand picked candidates were

24:10

not doing that great, like David Perdue,

24:12

who he is trying to sick on his

24:15

arch nemesis, Governor Brian Kemp and the

24:17

governor's race for Georgia because Brian Kemp

24:20

famously refused to rat funk the

24:22

election for Donald Trump. So Trump

24:24

is now just doing using the strategy of

24:26

like within your my enemy, and I'll

24:28

send a bunch of unqualified

24:31

candidates who don't have a great a chance

24:33

of winning after you to create more intra

24:35

party fighting. And you know, a few

24:37

years ago, his endorsement meant

24:39

a lot, like you know, it was the kind of thing that

24:42

a lot of elected people would be like, well,

24:44

god, I gotta get that endorsement. If he goes against

24:46

if he picks this other person, that I'm cooked. But

24:49

that potency has decreased a bit.

24:51

And now that he's out of office,

24:53

his strategy just seems to be really just

24:56

to use his endorsement as an attack against

24:58

other Republicans that he

25:00

has deemed disloyal. So not

25:03

a great strategy if you're looking at

25:05

the long term, but a

25:07

great strategy if you just want to serve your

25:10

ego, which I'll give him that it's his

25:12

uh superpower. And aside

25:15

from that, I think we're also seeing that there's

25:17

a lot of a lot of Republicans who

25:19

are really trying to distance themselves from Trump's

25:21

pro Putin comments. That it's becoming

25:24

a little more clear that there's like this openness

25:27

to disagreeing in public with

25:29

the former president. And now that's probably

25:31

because support for Putin is already just very

25:34

low outside of like the O A. N and News

25:36

Max and like Fox News crowd,

25:38

but this like people like this, You have Representative

25:41

Mike Simpson, and we're looking from Idaho, says quote,

25:44

I agree with Pence that there's no room

25:46

in our party for apologists for Putin. Again,

25:48

that's a direct shot at Trump,

25:51

and like the people followed up that question

25:53

when he said, okay, when he said he agrees with Mike Pence

25:55

that there's no room for Putin apologists,

25:57

when he was asked, like, is that sort of the why eight

26:00

or sentiment? Like in most of the Republican

26:02

conference the journalist as he said, Yep, yep,

26:05

that's pretty much the widely held consensus.

26:08

John Kakko from New York and the Republic, and he was

26:10

more direct. He said, Putin isn't a genius, and neither

26:12

is Trump. So I think it's

26:14

an easy win for Republicans

26:17

because it's such a clear thing. Like

26:19

you're like, you don't there, You're

26:21

not intellectually built to try and argue

26:23

why Putin is a genius and why

26:25

that's good for everything that you stand for

26:28

as a politician. But like,

26:30

so I'm not holding my breath in the sense

26:32

and I'm like, oh, the tide is turning. But

26:35

it is clear that they do see

26:37

that it's a It's very problematic for them

26:39

to take that sort of idea on and and

26:41

sort of campaign on it because I look back

26:43

at a few years ago and you have people like Lindsey

26:45

Graham who would bend over backwards

26:48

trying to defend his like overtly racist

26:51

remarks, and you're like, holy sh it,

26:53

he's got everybody like lockstep

26:55

with this nonsense. But I think this one,

26:58

it's like just so it's so obvious

27:01

that this isn't that's this ain't the take

27:03

for the party to be hopping in on, and

27:06

it is bad. I just want to point out, like it

27:08

gets pretty bad when you have people like Sean

27:10

Hannity who are essentially begging

27:14

Trump too, you know, maybe

27:16

condemn Vladimir Putin. Let's

27:18

hear that you came onto some fire when

27:21

you said that Vladimir

27:23

Putin is very smart. I think I

27:25

know you a little bit better than most people in the

27:27

media, and I

27:30

think you also recognize he's evil,

27:32

do you not. Well,

27:34

I was referring to the fact that he said

27:36

this is an independent nation talking

27:38

about Ukraine, and I said, that's something said.

27:41

This is before there was an attack attack,

27:43

he's calling it an independent nation. Now

27:46

a lot of things are changing. When you look,

27:49

this doesn't seem to be the same Putin

27:51

that I was dealing with. But I will tell

27:53

you he wouldn't have changed. If I were dealing with

27:55

him, he wouldn't have changed. You know, I supplied

27:58

and I know Biden is to

28:00

take credit and they're all trying to take credit

28:02

about Okay, so now he just starts

28:04

he completely missed that offer him for

28:06

him to take, and he just goes on to be like,

28:08

you know, I got. He goes on to be like the

28:11

javelin anti tank busters, I

28:13

gave them that, and Hannity

28:15

is even like, oh my god, bro, like, please

28:19

let me try one more time. The interview

28:22

goes on for a little bit more and Hannity

28:24

tries fucking one more time. He's

28:26

like, here, here it is again.

28:29

I'm gonna put put the point out that it's

28:31

you do not want to agree with this person. You want to

28:33

be opposed to the actions of Vladimir Putin.

28:36

Maybe this will be the time he starts to listen. Uh,

28:39

maybe not. Let me go back then to the issue

28:41

of the criticism, because, um,

28:44

I've known you twenty five years

28:46

and uh, when you

28:48

got criticized for saying that Vladimir

28:50

Putin is smart. Um,

28:52

We've had many conversations. Um,

28:55

and you've often quoted to me Sun Sue

28:58

the art of war keep your is

29:00

close and your enemy is closer. Is

29:02

that how you've view Vladimir? Did

29:05

you view Vladimir Putin

29:07

and people like President she and

29:09

Kim Jong un and the Iranian Mullahs

29:12

as enemies that you needed to keep close.

29:16

I got along with these people. I got along

29:18

with them. Well, that doesn't mean they're

29:20

good people. It doesn't mean anything

29:23

other than the fact that I understood

29:25

them, and perhaps they understood me. Maybe

29:27

they understood me even better. That's okay,

29:30

because they knew they'd be a big penalty

29:32

anyway. So he goes on to not

29:34

condemning anything and just says, actually,

29:37

I'm really good homies with them. Thank you for bringing

29:39

that up. And he really did the thing where he was

29:41

trying to do like when I'm sure in the past

29:43

when he said racist stuff, and you've got to be like,

29:46

hey, man, I've known you a long time and not know

29:48

that's not your heart. You know what I mean, because

29:51

you've hired black people in the past, So

29:53

how do how do you feel when people tell them to try and paint

29:55

your words like that? And then you'd be like, exactly, you know,

29:57

I've been a big supporter of blah blah blah. He couldn't

29:59

even do that in this instance. He's I think,

30:02

very much locked into this idea that

30:05

it's only him that could have prevented

30:07

an invasion because he was so close with Vladimir

30:09

Putin, And that's essentially the

30:12

the track he's

30:14

on at the moment. That's hilarious,

30:17

just because I I don't

30:19

know Trump. Trump is such a wild figure

30:21

to me because he lets any kind of actual charisma,

30:24

Like he's not good at giving speeches, even

30:27

the ones pre written for him. He's

30:29

not He's

30:33

not attractive in the way you would think like, oh,

30:35

it's like Australian political figure. Well he's a strong

30:37

jaw and like a face you could trust or something.

30:40

And like every time he opened some mouth he sounds like an idiot.

30:43

Uh, and yet there are still people clamoring

30:45

to hear him speak. That's ah, it's

30:48

a trip, it's I think, but it's

30:50

there's something. Even the way Hannity was

30:52

talking, right, He's there was like this level of

30:54

defeat. It's almost like Hannity was

30:56

there to try and like prop up this old like

30:58

punch drunk box or that he used to

31:00

idolize, and it's solely realizing

31:03

he's just a regular creepy, old racist

31:05

guy and there's not much

31:07

he can do. I guess. Also,

31:10

you have to think that probably Tucker

31:12

and Anity, you know, desperate

31:14

to have Trump condemned putin now

31:17

because I think they're going to be

31:19

stuck with with their own supporter puttin

31:21

around their necks. You know, and it's

31:24

going to make make make their lives, but

31:26

make it's difficult and mean, I think you know

31:28

Tucker in particular, I don't know if he has designs

31:30

on on office or not, but it feels like

31:33

the real you could do of you

31:36

know, praise for Putin and denial the Ukrainian

31:38

innovasion was about to happen. It's

31:40

not going to be very helpful. So I guess they probably

31:43

want to get Trump to denounce

31:45

Putin so they can kind of sweep this

31:47

whole uncomfortable Dion's

31:50

under the under the rug. But I gather some I

31:52

mean, there are some people who are running

31:54

around Trump in the Republican Party

31:56

and still kind of supporting Putin,

31:58

which is I mean, let learn from

32:00

a moral, ethical, geopolitical

32:02

standpoint, just from a you know, self

32:04

interested point of view, it's very hard to understand.

32:07

Yeah, And I think it's because it's these like Marjorie

32:10

Taylor Green and Madison Cawthorne

32:12

types who you know, Marjorie Taylor Green

32:14

was that like a total fascist event that

32:16

are like, you know, a white nationalist

32:19

group that loves Putin. And when she

32:21

was speaking, they were chanting his name and she

32:23

was just like sin Bad and eye at that, and

32:25

people like what the fuck Madison Cawthorne

32:28

we talked about last week how he was saying

32:30

like Zelenski the thug and actually like Ukraine

32:32

is so corrupt that it's and they push

32:34

woke ideologies that this is a

32:36

good thing that Putin is doing, and you're

32:39

like, dude, you don't even know what you're saying.

32:41

I think you just I think you're such an

32:43

autopilot of being like I just have to agree with

32:45

what whatever Trump says, and that's how

32:47

I keep going without any understanding

32:50

again of like the geopolitical nature

32:52

of this, what the outcomes could mean for anything,

32:54

and just being like I don't know, man, I just do whatever Trump

32:57

does. And I think it's also important

32:59

to realize that the folks really view themselves

33:01

as part of like an oligarchical society,

33:03

like they think like having money it

33:06

makes you a better human being. And

33:08

I think that many of them are hoping

33:10

for a Putin victory, and like

33:13

all they talk about is is a

33:15

global shift in

33:19

like fascist direction, and so this

33:21

is the start of that, and I think they're excited about

33:23

it. I don't think that there's any thought

33:25

other than this is our chance to

33:28

win and see this swift change

33:30

brought here, which is right

33:33

because if you can normalize, Yeah, they want

33:35

to normalize, especially a lot of like the cracking

33:37

down on like dissident voices or

33:39

LGBTQ people. And they're like, whoa, we fucking

33:42

love that. Oh we love that, you know

33:44

what I actually like And that's a lot

33:46

of the talking points you hear like on oh and they're like, I

33:48

mean, look at what he's against, you know, like

33:50

that really aligns with a lot of the stuff we're talking

33:52

about, So why shouldn't we be there? But that's

33:55

not the case or so anyway, back

33:57

to Trump though, his his

33:59

brain, Like the other thing about just sort of his brand

34:01

waning right is like truth social his whole

34:03

like fucking you know, Twitter clone

34:05

that was supposed to up end the whole discourse

34:08

of the Internet came out. It was a total

34:10

wet fart. Everyone like could barely register.

34:13

It was like a waiting line that's like a half million

34:16

people long, and like people are still barely

34:18

able to use it. And if you look at it,

34:20

it's it's pretty much a failure by all measures.

34:23

Trump barely uses it. Milania

34:26

has publicly said that parlor is her

34:28

official home. His kids don't use

34:30

it. Many big name media personalities

34:32

in the conservative like take us sphere, do

34:34

not use it either, and the ones that do, like

34:37

they get very little engagement on it and don't

34:39

seem that excited. And again, I think

34:41

this show is another aspect of it that

34:43

the brand isn't as strong as

34:45

it used to be, especially when you consider

34:48

that, like the main attraction to this is just being like, hey,

34:50

Trump's here, huh, come

34:52

on. But the only thing Trump has been good at selling

34:55

ever, it's merchandise and reality

34:57

TV. Like there's not a success story

35:00

in anything he's ever sold aside

35:02

from that, So it's still wild to the people

35:04

were like it's gonna work. It's like, no, he's never

35:06

properly invested in a company ever. And

35:10

again I think the other part of that too is

35:12

like I think he the

35:15

people behind that social app and a lot

35:18

of this stuff. These like Republicans who want to set

35:20

up like these safe spaces for racists

35:22

and fascists, is that they

35:24

really don't like Republicans in this

35:26

country. They just derive their sense of self

35:28

from merely being like the antithesis of whatever

35:31

democrats are, like, they can only define

35:33

themselves in relation to this other thing. They have

35:35

no identity aside from no, we're

35:37

the party of regressing, so

35:39

if there's progress, they're the only thing

35:41

we know how to do is just like try and

35:43

rein it in and slam on the brakes. We don't

35:46

really have anything to add outside of

35:48

being like, no, not this thing they're

35:50

talking about over there. And

35:52

again it shows they have no interest. So they they're not

35:54

interested in echo chamber. They need these

35:57

environments where they get to argue with liberals.

35:59

That's the how, that's their their lifeblood.

36:02

And I think they're also failing to understand it's

36:04

like, we don't give a funk about a place where

36:06

I can use like racial slurs without

36:08

being banned. Like I get off

36:10

on saying those two liberals, that's how

36:13

my life works. So it's a bit of a

36:15

balancing act that I think they're struggling

36:18

with. And again, it doesn't help when the first

36:20

ladies like fucking truth, I

36:23

use partier like what

36:25

they can't even get in the same page with their marketing. And lastly,

36:28

when you talk about products, he's also begging

36:30

for jet money, which was a huge thing. He was

36:32

at a fundraising event in Louisiana

36:34

and a jet he was on had like an

36:36

engine failure and they were forced to have an emergency

36:39

landing on his way back to Florida and

36:42

apparently freaked the funk out of him. The next

36:44

day, there's emails going out to all the supporters

36:47

being like, we're gonna need a little how

36:49

would you like to participate in funding the new

36:51

Trump Force one project? And

36:53

it's and again most people have pointed

36:56

out that that seven fifty seven that he was going

36:58

around during the campaign,

37:00

that's like in a fucking hangar in New York.

37:03

That's like beyond repair. The

37:05

fucking one engine needs to be replaced. One

37:07

of them isn't even like on the fucking plane.

37:10

So he's been framing this

37:12

as and also this is a new air Trump

37:14

Force one that I've been working on in secret,

37:17

so even the media doesn't even know about it.

37:19

No, dude, you panicked on your fucking

37:21

p jet because the engine went down,

37:23

and now you're trying to grift for your own jet

37:25

money. You ain't got no money, Yeah,

37:28

no money, And he's using

37:30

it on jets, So

37:33

I don't know. It's interesting to keep our eyes on

37:35

this one and again watching

37:37

how the conversation is like shifting

37:40

and there's like this one brief moment of like

37:42

bipartisanship and like that most

37:44

of the Republican establishment is like, no,

37:46

we agree, Yeah, invasion of Ukraine

37:49

is bad. We do. We agree on

37:51

that, which is very hate. Seeing white people at war

37:53

really tears them apart. Oh god, those

37:55

kids have blue eyes. I mean I

37:59

had I have blue eyes. You

38:01

know, there's never been a war in Europe before.

38:03

It's it's new to us. It's totally foreign.

38:06

Could never couldn't happens to brown

38:08

people. Awful. Yeah,

38:10

and that's all the one of the widest ones.

38:13

I think one of the French, I know it was the French Foreign minister

38:15

or some French minister said they

38:17

drive caused like us, stopping

38:23

like us. What did you think Ukraine was before

38:26

this too? Like you just assume as

38:28

the Stone Age and then you're like, they drive

38:30

cars like us. Fu.

38:33

Yeah, not to mention anyway.

38:36

So that's where that that's where

38:38

we are with old Trumper. We'll see,

38:40

we'll obviously keep an eye on that because the

38:43

oh, another poll came out that said him and Joe Biden

38:45

are in a dead lock in a potential,

38:48

you know, speculative presidential

38:51

election poll. But at

38:53

that point, I hope Joe Biden is

38:55

not running again. That's not what we need.

38:57

So I want to talk about this. We're

39:00

talking about patriots at the pump, right, and talking

39:02

about all the ways in which different people

39:04

are using this crisis in Ukraine for their

39:06

own nefarious aims, and the oil and gas

39:08

lobby is working over time

39:11

to use this crisis as an opportunity

39:13

to further their own gred I think one of the most common

39:16

things we've been seeing is this sentiment that accepting

39:19

rising gas prices is actually

39:21

a patriotic act, since

39:23

you know, we're we're we need to go without so

39:25

that we can help others out. And

39:28

I think they love this one because

39:30

it's really easy. They're already you

39:32

know, they're already raking in record profits,

39:34

okay, And I think people here ban

39:37

on Russian gas, and most people wouldn't think

39:39

twice to even know how much gas we actually import

39:41

from Russia. It accounts for about

39:43

eight percent of our supply, and

39:46

the US produces again just a side note,

39:48

enough oil to cover domestic needs,

39:51

but we do import a ton

39:53

of petroleum products still and because

39:55

of the global market is affected by the disruptions,

39:57

and we do import petroleum produc

40:00

those disruptions and supply the logic

40:02

here as well. Well, the prices are all just gonna

40:04

go up, and I think most people have

40:07

accepted that, and this is really

40:09

just pure greed, you know, like this is

40:11

this is a this is an industry that was clearing

40:13

over two hundred billion dollars in profits

40:16

at the end of last year, and this is just

40:18

price gouging. They found an opportunity to

40:20

sort of insert this narrative of like,

40:23

granted, yes the market is being disrupted,

40:25

but there's no room for them to eat

40:27

into their two hundred billion dollars in

40:29

profits to make things easier, or there's

40:31

the choice to just extract

40:34

as much money out of consumers as possible.

40:37

And I think that's where things get

40:39

a little bit murky. And it's tough when you have people

40:41

like Stephen Colbert and George Tak who

40:44

like for liberals, are like, hey, what do they

40:46

have to say, and they're even saying the same ship. It's

40:48

like, you know, we got to accept these higher prices,

40:51

you know, it's just something we gotta do. And

40:55

I think this is also this really helps

40:57

democrats too, because it's also a very

40:59

tight way for them to attach an

41:01

external problem to explain like

41:03

inflation and their lack of control

41:05

over greedy corporations. Like

41:08

it's just this conflict, you know, so

41:10

we gotta we gotta do what's right. You know, there's gonna

41:13

be a little bit of pain for working

41:15

people, a lot of pleasure if

41:17

you're in the C suite at a fucking

41:20

fossil fuel company. Yeah,

41:22

and it's just given a lot of like these

41:24

talking points to be marched out by gas

41:27

and oil boot liquors, like you

41:29

hear this thing of like the Keystone XEL pipeline

41:32

just that would have defeated Putin if

41:35

we just didn't block that because the darned fucking

41:37

like environmentalist hippies, that

41:39

is not a production pipeline. There's

41:41

no additional oil coming because the Keyston

41:44

like they don't again, people just say

41:46

this and they don't talk about Keystone XL

41:48

was to move oil from Canada to

41:51

like Texas to be refined and then shipped

41:53

abroad. It wasn't because the Keystone

41:56

XL was like, oh man, we got this whole

41:58

gas station called Keystone X know that

42:00

we haven't turned on, and we

42:02

get all this kind of oil and gas

42:04

lobby talking points being injected into

42:06

the discourse to tell us that, you know, we

42:08

need more fossil fuel, when in

42:10

fact it sounds like we need less. But

42:13

one of the most cynical little moments

42:16

that's come out of the last month or so was

42:18

the like normalizing

42:21

of relations between the US and Venezuela.

42:23

So, you know, obviously Venezuela

42:25

was a pariah state, and you

42:28

know, Maduro was an unacceptable

42:30

dictator, and the US foreign

42:32

policy establigement had to support

42:34

the opposition. And now

42:36

all of a sudden, it's fine, Maduro

42:39

is a great guy. He's released political

42:41

prisoners, and Venezuelan

42:43

oil and gas is going to be coming onto the market

42:45

in the US. And it's like fair enough,

42:47

Like it's good. It's good to be looking for alternative

42:49

wood and gas sources. I guess to make sure that people

42:52

don't have to pay the price at the pump, etcetera. But

42:54

like just the like eight

42:58

no explanation, just like actually,

43:00

like situation has changed. So this person

43:02

who is on acceptable dictator is now a great

43:04

persons to business with It's just like I

43:06

don't know, I don't understand there's no

43:10

why why politicians can't treat citizens

43:12

like adults. I mean, if they explained,

43:15

hey, look he's still not a great guy his

43:17

situation, we're going to do business with him, it's like, okay,

43:20

probably get that. But like there's just

43:22

ty total about face. Like

43:24

it's almost like, you know, some kind of weird

43:26

gaslighting that like how quickly

43:29

the it can change, like who's in and who's

43:31

out. You have people being like Maduro's

43:34

killing his people with socialism.

43:36

I mean a roll of toilet paper costs nine

43:39

thousand dollars. This is this,

43:41

and this is why we don't want to go down that path

43:43

and mistreat our people too. I love

43:45

him, and that is

43:48

I think. You know, if the media

43:50

was a little bit more, you know, less

43:52

controlled by a corporate interests, they'd

43:54

probably point that out in their coverage. They'd

43:57

say, why have we gone from saying look

43:59

at this place over here, it's a mess. They're evil,

44:01

we shouldn't would sanction them to fucking

44:03

hell. But then suddenly we

44:06

found a way to completely shift

44:08

or the perception from a policy perspective

44:10

and say, like no, there's actually great there. They've

44:12

been the coolest people forever and this

44:15

is all fantastic. And I think that's

44:17

the other part of like all this

44:19

this maneuvering that happens politically because

44:22

going into mid terms, you don't you're

44:24

trying to figure out what's the best form of leadership?

44:26

Do you do you make gas

44:29

prices cheaper? Do you just say fuck?

44:31

Well? Because the corporations are literally

44:33

just trying to offset, like you know, the

44:35

lost profits from and coming

44:37

back with a vengeance now by bringing raising prices.

44:41

Do we what do we do with that?

44:43

And I think it's really difficult for just

44:45

like everyday people to kind of see like the contradictory

44:48

talking points and policies that have been

44:50

happening this whole time. This also

44:53

seems like a real big miss opportunity for Democrats

44:55

to like reach out to their

44:57

base, the idea that like

45:00

this point in time, Democrats could very loudly be

45:02

saying like, not only do you not need

45:04

to raise your gas prices, but what alternative

45:06

fuel options can we be investing in at

45:08

this time? Like we are literally

45:11

exiting a global changing

45:13

event. Now

45:15

is the time to like hop on new

45:17

ideas and and and I think that

45:19

people are very much prepared to embrace

45:21

him, specifically folks who lost so

45:24

much money during the pandemic. There's a complete

45:26

disconnect between it's patriotic

45:28

to spend more money

45:31

on gas and some people have been jobless

45:33

for the last two and a half years and you gave

45:35

them. But there's

45:39

not there's

45:43

if you count that other. I

45:46

mean, I did say two to get people by

45:49

groceries for a month for a family of

45:51

three. Maybe it's bizarre to

45:54

me specifically considering that

45:56

we are the Democratic there's

45:59

not there's not an off space between like

46:01

Democrats and Republicans as far as like voting

46:03

goes. Right now, you've got midterms coming

46:05

up, and they're really just sitting on

46:07

their hands when there seems to be an abundant

46:09

opportunity to make a statement

46:12

to their people like hey, we're here for you. We can do

46:14

things better differently and saview money,

46:16

which everyone enjoys. Every

46:18

person it's like, oh, we're gonna not has to spend so much

46:20

money. Perfect well, And I think there's

46:22

built like you know, Rocana has introduced

46:24

to build that would essentially that's being

46:27

sponsored by like Bernie and like Elizabeth

46:29

Warren and a few other people. That is essentially

46:31

attacks like the windfall profits of

46:33

the oil and gas companies at like fifty

46:36

percent and then redistribute

46:39

those funds in the form of quarterly checks

46:41

to people like at the same thresholds

46:43

that the stimulus checks were saying. The income

46:45

thresholds again similar you know,

46:47

seventy five thousand for individuals, one fifty

46:49

for couples, and it would

46:52

basically be anywhere between

46:54

two, like around two hundred fifty bucks

46:56

a year for a person per quarter that

46:58

you would get from basically be like, all right, we skimmed

47:00

the the oil and gas corporate profits

47:03

and there it is. Now we'll

47:05

see where that goes. Because obviously Republicans,

47:08

the last thing they're gonna be like, what are you talking

47:10

about? But I think we really need to have a large,

47:12

like this larger conversation about a

47:14

like you're saying, we need to get the funk away from fossil

47:17

fuels, and this industry is

47:19

built on extracting not only

47:21

just massive resources out of the ground, but squeezing

47:23

people for every single dollar they have while

47:25

also contributing to earth death.

47:28

Like the

47:31

the absurdity of it all is one that's

47:33

not being examined close enough. And I think while

47:36

it's commendable to merely say like, yeah,

47:38

man, we gotta take some of this money, it's like, no, we

47:40

need to fucking nationalize this industry.

47:42

At the very least, this is like too much ship depends

47:45

on this. And at the same time it's also the

47:47

the the cause of and solution

47:50

to all of our problems, apparently,

47:52

Simpson. So

47:56

keep your eye keep your eye there. All right, let's

47:58

take a quick break and we'll be right back to talk. You

48:01

know, lighter fair and

48:12

we're back. It's time for some some Hollywood

48:15

talk, you know what's Joel.

48:19

Well, when you came here, when you first hopped on

48:21

the zoom call, I was like, what's going on? And he said,

48:23

did you hear about this Daniel Khaluja thing and his life

48:25

strategist? And I was like, hold on, I only understood

48:27

the Daniel Kaluya part. What is what else?

48:30

So there's big news for people

48:32

don't know Daniel Khaluya, most memorably,

48:34

I think for people who aren't if you don't know his name

48:36

and immediately know who that is from, get out

48:39

and you know many other films. But to keep it simple,

48:42

Daniel Khaluya is having a bit of a

48:44

controversial career shift,

48:46

career shake up or something that's a lot happening

48:49

around him. A career shift is such

48:51

a nice way to put it. And I want to first

48:53

state that a lot of these details are

48:56

new and incoming, and so I'm going to do my best

48:58

to just give you what facts

49:00

we have and we'll lightly speculate.

49:03

Okay, So here's what's happening. Daniel

49:05

Clint star right. He's

49:07

been in so many iconic movies, Black

49:10

Panther, Get Out. He's doing

49:12

Dope with Jordan Peele next. It's

49:14

the hottest thing happening right now. His

49:17

team similar teams to Steven

49:19

Spielberg's. I think they have the same agents.

49:22

A couple of months ago he fired everybody,

49:26

whole team gone, and they

49:28

have all confirmed they're no longer working. We

49:31

typically mean like a manager, agent,

49:33

publicist. All of them

49:35

checked out and gone, which is bananas.

49:39

He's replaced reportedly

49:42

his team with a self help guru.

49:45

I think they called her like a gem specialist

49:48

named air Holiness. That's h

49:50

E. I R. Apparently

49:54

she also goes by Air princess. She

49:56

is fifty. She describes

49:59

herself as head mistress for the international

50:01

alma mater of Blessed University.

50:04

What it is, we don't know. Yeah,

50:07

yeah, oh

50:10

no, go on and I'll just lay it out and then

50:12

I'll have my questions after. I'm

50:14

sorry, yeah, questions keeping up

50:16

as you describe this. That's okay, So I see it

50:18

is spokes first and told the Post I can confer the denial is

50:20

not a client of the agency any longer.

50:23

Our Holiness has marginalized Decay's

50:25

usual team. This is according

50:27

to the Post and page six. Okay,

50:30

very very you know, but

50:34

you know again, we'll lightly speculate,

50:36

will lightly lightly speculating. A

50:38

source has said our Holiness has

50:41

taken over his life now. She

50:43

had posted on her Instagram earlier basically

50:45

being like, oh, I worked with Daniel and I love it

50:48

and it's great. Then she pulled that and said

50:50

she never worked with Daniel, So what is

50:53

the truth? We don't know. My

50:55

most interesting like speculation on

50:58

this is that apparently having

51:00

her around the set of Nope was a

51:02

nightmare. The quote

51:04

from the insiders, I've heard there were multiple

51:06

blow ups in the production. People were afraid

51:09

of her. There's another rumor that she ran off

51:11

another girl that he was seeing, and

51:13

that apparently it's just her and him

51:15

now they've been seeing hot

51:18

air ballooning? So is

51:20

it romantic? Is it spiritual guidance?

51:23

Is it even? Does she even really work

51:26

for him? We don't know, but

51:29

but we know that they are physically, they

51:31

do know each other, and they do interact.

51:34

We have seen them in photos together,

51:37

both in public spaces, and it looks

51:39

like on set in a makeup room. But we're trying to

51:41

figure out is she Cardinal Risha Lieu

51:43

to his Louis fourteen exactly?

51:48

But out

51:50

there is

51:52

she in his ear, the one pulling

51:54

the strings behind the scenes, and merely

51:56

he is the vessel for her her aims?

51:59

Is she even like it doesn't even have any like

52:01

real functional experience representing

52:05

she's literally air or air holiness or whatever

52:09

U there were? Okay, so

52:11

where did I put this article? I'm like you a

52:13

tabby cat seven thousand tabs

52:16

somewhere since that she has a pH d

52:19

in not metaphysics

52:22

but something. Hold

52:24

on, I have it here, but that's

52:26

not but that isn't entertainment

52:29

business account Oh definitely

52:31

not that. Definitely nothing

52:33

that we can see. Also, her real name is

52:36

Vaniola Salima Mohammed,

52:39

okay, and she's Air Princess and Air

52:42

Princess fifty.

52:44

Here's a quote from her Instagram account. I'm just a

52:46

spiritual gangster serving a life sentence in a human

52:48

body. Well, it

52:51

is funny. I mean when you think about the Hollywood

52:53

system, when you when you go to l A and like it slowly

52:56

starts to unfurl itself when

52:58

you realize that like every quote

53:00

unquote talent has like an

53:02

Asian and a manager and a publicist

53:04

and a lawyer, all of you

53:07

know, on the on the on the gravy

53:09

train. And so yeah, this

53:11

idea that just clearing out the whole

53:14

slate and putting everything in holiness

53:17

is hands you can kind

53:19

of program to stand some of the temptation. But I

53:22

mean it's such a such a strange

53:24

system to begin with. And I mean, didn't

53:27

didn't didn't Johnny Depp? But isn't he in someone have litigation

53:30

with his manager who ended up spending all of his

53:32

money. I mean it's like it seems to me

53:34

a lot of people end up getting sucked over

53:36

by you know, seemingly trustworthy

53:39

handlers or team members or

53:41

whatever. So in a way, you may as well just jump

53:43

in at the deep end with the spiritual gangster

53:45

setting a life sentence and a human You're

53:48

like, I heard Bill Murray doesn't have any reps and

53:50

he handles all his ship by himself. You're like, I might

53:52

as well. Look, I could do that with the

53:54

help of air holiness, crystal

53:56

guidance, and just putting in the chat

53:59

that he says her on and Bio says

54:01

that she has quote a B S, m s and pH d

54:03

and holistic health parapsychic science

54:06

from the American Institute of Holistic Theology,

54:09

and she is skilled in wellness coaching, executive

54:11

coaching, spiritual healing. These are all capitalized

54:14

energy healing and building relationships,

54:17

among other things. Okay, Daniel,

54:20

please let us know what's going on. Yeah, it's

54:22

interesting to me the sort of

54:24

like fan reaction because we can't

54:26

nail down specifically, and because it's his page six and

54:29

we can only take it with so much seriousness.

54:31

The conversation has sort of turned to who's

54:34

this older woman taking over his life?

54:36

Or is this his get out character coming

54:39

back to haunt him, someone was like, flash

54:41

camera in his eyes? Is there excessive?

54:45

But I think we saw similar conversations

54:47

around Aaron Taylor Johnson,

54:49

who has a twenty four year age difference between him

54:51

and his wife. They are still very much in

54:53

love, they got kids together, they've

54:55

been together for over a decade, you

54:58

know. And I but

55:00

also it's Hollywood, and we've seen multiple times

55:03

grifters come in and sort of take over

55:05

a person's life and not

55:07

just steal money, but you know, derail

55:10

the direction of their career. And Damn Clue is such

55:12

a celebrated black

55:15

actor. He's so extremely talented that

55:17

I think it's kind of daunting for a lot of people

55:19

to consider that perhaps

55:21

like the best is over for Daniel

55:23

if or if true,

55:26

or he just has trash taste in picking a partner.

55:29

I mean, and that's you

55:31

know, but but it also sounds like the kind of thing where

55:34

they're like, yo, he's caught up with I don't like her,

55:36

and they're like, man, he fired me, and then you come back

55:39

like we're really worried about him, and he might just be

55:41

like, yo, dude, I'm kind of into this freaky

55:43

older lady who heals me with crystals

55:46

and ship. That's kind of I'm still a good

55:48

actor still, I'm not sucking up my career.

55:50

I just this is who I rock with now,

55:52

and I'm sorry except that,

55:54

I don't know. It'll be interesting

55:56

to see once the Dope Press tour starts.

55:59

How please out if

56:01

she's around. I feel like that's usually

56:03

the part where partners of this

56:05

ILK get troublesome. It's

56:07

like when they're in the room with the press and they're like talking

56:09

over their partners. Yeah,

56:13

when she was like in the street trying to defend him after

56:15

the rush, like you don't even know the name

56:17

of the person, He's like, all right, hilarious, hilarious

56:19

stops

56:23

like when he comes on like Daniels doing Pressed

56:25

and he's like he's like wearing all these robes and ship

56:27

and like flowy scarves and they're like, sir,

56:30

He's like, please call me airness, and

56:33

you're like, that's

56:35

when maybe we can start wearing But yeah, I

56:38

it's I'm I'm always curious.

56:40

I always like seeing people's interesting

56:43

career moves and relationships. But I

56:45

don't know, what's what's your feeling on this? Do you think

56:48

that this is a person who's grifting.

56:50

Is Daniel just doing his thing and he's

56:52

kind of making a weird decision and he likes this person

56:55

and everything's all good, he says, trash taste and

56:57

that's upsetting people, or you think, what do

56:59

you think is from initial reaction was this

57:01

is bad and Daniel get out. No,

57:04

I'm intended. I'm

57:06

a woo girl, and so it's hard for me

57:08

to be like, she uses crystal,

57:10

she's crazy. I have crystals.

57:12

I've done some terror readings before. You

57:14

know, I like the woo woo things. So I

57:17

really don't really,

57:20

so I don't. I don't know. What's

57:22

been most interesting to me is her denial

57:24

of it, of even working for him,

57:27

right she I mean? I mean? And even further,

57:29

she was like, people say, I work with Ja, that's

57:31

wild. I would love to work with him, almost as if she doesn't

57:34

know him. But again, we've seen pictures,

57:37

but also pictures are faked so well today

57:39

that you always have to take that with a grain of salt. Is

57:42

it a deep fath right,

57:45

because back he said, I've never seen this woman in my entire

57:47

life. What are y'all talking about? But

57:50

I guess it says something much larger about the

57:52

way we view celebrities and that

57:54

we really need them to be okay

57:57

in order to support what's happen

58:00

being like, in order to like invest

58:02

in their career decisions, right, Like

58:04

if you think Danny Clue has gone off

58:06

the deep end with this woman who's scamming him,

58:08

Like can you take his films seriously?

58:11

And I think every day I understand more and

58:14

more celebrities like desire

58:16

to completely disconnect from their fan

58:18

base because we're kind of involved at a level that

58:21

doesn't allow them to move with

58:23

any kind of comfort. Like if you make a mistake

58:25

and I don't mean in the like cancel

58:27

culture blah blah blah, ball should I don't think you're just

58:30

scrutinized in general. Yeah, yeah,

58:32

that this it's hard to just breathe and be like, oh,

58:34

I want to try this thing. Is that is that gonna work

58:37

for me? Or while my fans hate that I did that,

58:39

have him now make a stupid

58:41

false apology about something I was interested

58:43

in, Like that's it's messy, man,

58:45

And so I don't know. I hope he's all right. I hope it's not a

58:47

scam. I like a lot of his movies, and

58:50

I think I also think it's easier because Daniel Clue

58:52

constantly plays characters that black culture

58:55

criticizes in a very intense way.

58:57

So like you're dating a white girl. Oh when

58:59

he like fucked up, he betrayed

59:02

his friend and black panther and then his wife

59:04

had to come collect him with their pet

59:06

at the end. Like he's constantly playing these characters

59:08

where we're like, that's us, why would you do that?

59:11

And so I think I kind of bleeds into with your life too a little

59:13

bit. Yeah, I kind of looky. I kind

59:15

of want him to. I like the idea that air

59:18

holiness, that there's

59:20

something really weird going on, and maybe he's

59:22

just also like, noah, man, I'm I'm really

59:24

in this. I'm like, I'm done acting like I'm

59:27

all about the air now air bending,

59:29

Okay, I can see it. Well. Thank

59:32

you so much, Joel and Oz for joining

59:34

me today to talk just the whole,

59:37

the whole spectrum of topics today

59:39

on Monday, to start the week off. Oz,

59:42

where can people find you and follow you?

59:44

And is there any tweets that you've

59:46

laughed at or just enjoyed in general? You

59:48

can find me on Twitter Osalshin and

59:52

my dear friend Cara, who I did

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to Sleep Bokers podcast with her. Her

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Twitter always keeps being very entertained,

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and one of her a as gems was

1:00:02

about milk. You know you're old when

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somebody calls regular milk classic

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milk. Blat

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milk as we've gone from

1:00:13

skim to Sawyer to almond and now out

1:00:16

just a nice loss of classic milk?

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Classic? Oh

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man? What could be better? Fout out to classic

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milk? You know all about the classics?

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You know, Joel? How about you?

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Where you at, where they follow you? Where they here

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you? What's the tweets you like? Joel? Money? You

1:00:35

can follow me all over the internet. Actual money gets

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j O E l O E m O N I Q you

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some class of tweets. Alan Macon the

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Genius tweeted yesterday

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I strongly opposed to don't say gable in Florida.

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I hope my friends and colleagues within the Disney family will

1:00:49

join me and saying so publicly,

1:00:51

calm collect your folks, Disney people

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all the time is now. You

1:00:56

have to make change or children will die. Andrea

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J. Philips tweeted dropping my son off

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at high school this am and noticed every student

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was using both straps. That said, when I

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was in high school eighties, early nineties, everyone

1:01:07

were their backpacks slung over one shoulder, and

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it's considered the height of nerdiness to use both

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straps. Please back me up, to

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which I say, ay, yes, I

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was there and I saw it, and that was real. You did not

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imagine it, Andrea, we were only using

1:01:20

one strap. But on the other hand, I really hope

1:01:22

children continue to use both straps. You don't need

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back problems in your early twenties. It's stupid.

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Okay, your books are very heavy. Use both

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straps. Don't let people consider you a nerd.

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Live for ee children. You guys are doing so much better than

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we did. I'm so proud of you. I remember when

1:01:35

people started, like I remember rollie bags

1:01:37

starting to showing up like there at the end of my academia

1:01:40

career, and I was like, you will get flom

1:01:43

bade pulling up in here with

1:01:45

that old grandma's grocery card of a backpack.

1:01:47

Are you serious? Not a

1:01:49

home on everybody walk with one droopy shoulder

1:01:51

because you got seventy pounds of books on one party

1:01:54

your body. Messenger bags came into

1:01:56

fashion. When I hit high school, had one

1:01:58

bagged. My mother should got me a nice let their one. It was

1:02:00

pretty so much

1:02:03

so much. It was not even distribution.

1:02:05

Noope, did not help. Really really left

1:02:07

me up, especially a kid who

1:02:09

didn't go. I barely went to my locker because

1:02:12

that would eat into my time during in between class

1:02:14

like during nutrition, just sunk around my friends. So I

1:02:16

carried all my books at once, and that ship

1:02:19

was a nightmare. I strategically

1:02:21

left my books in different classrooms because

1:02:23

teachers liked me. I'll be like, yo,

1:02:25

man, can I just keep my books in here? And they'd

1:02:28

be like, yeah, that's chill, thank you. Teachers

1:02:30

be like, hey, let me get your book. Teach. They're like, that's the

1:02:32

teachers that I'm like, just shut up your cool,

1:02:34

right, not just oh

1:02:41

man. Let's see some treets I like. First

1:02:43

one is from Amber Nelson

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at Amber Smelson tweeted got

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invited to someone's place for dinner and

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they charged me for it. This is weird,

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right, Yes, that is weird. You do

1:02:54

not get You do not invite someone

1:02:56

to your home and then charge

1:02:59

them. That goes against everything I know

1:03:01

about the art of invitations and

1:03:03

hospitality. I don't of

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the relationship. Would you bring it up if

1:03:08

someone did that too, Like, would you say, hey, what are

1:03:11

you fucking wild? What is this? Or

1:03:13

would you just say I'm not talking to them forever? No, I'm

1:03:15

a receipts person. Let me pull on my phone. Did

1:03:17

they ask me to pay and I missed it? I got a d D D as possible?

1:03:20

No, just a straight invite. What's

1:03:23

going on? What happened here? Needing money?

1:03:25

Are you okay? We gotta have a conversation about

1:03:27

it because I'm not handing over money freely.

1:03:29

I need When they say and then they

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hit you with this, well, I mean like honestly, like I

1:03:34

mean like the alcohol was really

1:03:36

expensive, and like the ingredients were like I

1:03:38

spent like a hundred fifty bucks at the grocery

1:03:40

store. So okay, cool, here's

1:03:43

the bottle of wine I brought. Enjoy

1:03:45

it also wasn't cheap because I'm not cheap

1:03:48

and I'll be out. Actually, let me let me let

1:03:50

me just tally up all the bottles I've brought,

1:03:52

the bottles of wine I've brought to your house

1:03:54

over the last year. So actually, you know what,

1:03:58

right exactly exactly, get out

1:04:01

of here, come on be more Hospitable, folks,

1:04:03

uh, and then at Forever Wildon, at Forever

1:04:05

while and underscore tooted introvers be

1:04:08

like I know a spot and then go

1:04:10

home. Yeah it's

1:04:12

true. I do know a spot and it's

1:04:14

my house and that place it fucking this,

1:04:17

it goes off. So shout out to

1:04:19

all my introverts out there. You

1:04:21

can find me at Miles of Gray on Twitter and Instagram.

1:04:23

Also, the other pod four twenty day Fiance was

1:04:25

Sophia Alexandra. If you like ninety day Fiance

1:04:28

and married the first sight of them trash reality shows, that's

1:04:30

what That's where I blow my steam off. Okay

1:04:32

watching those shows, so come hear me talk about

1:04:34

those. You can find us at Daily zekeis

1:04:36

on Twitter at the Daily z eyekeis on Instagram. We've

1:04:38

got a Facebook fan page, We've got a Westie, We've got daisy

1:04:41

guys dot com. I'm pretty sure at least

1:04:43

the probably we got the the U r L parked

1:04:45

on. I don't know. Look, don't worry about it, but you go there.

1:04:47

You can find all our episodes and our footnotes

1:04:50

notes may you Joel, where

1:04:53

we also post everything we talked

1:04:55

about today as well as the song we

1:04:57

ride out on, I want to go out

1:05:00

on the track from Liam Bailey.

1:05:02

Liam Bailey is slowly

1:05:05

becoming one of my new favorite artists.

1:05:07

Born in Nottingham, UK. He's

1:05:10

English and Caribbean because he's like English

1:05:12

parents Caribbean parents coming together just

1:05:15

playing like it's like a fantastic singer

1:05:17

songwriter, but also has like this really

1:05:19

great knack for putting

1:05:21

on like older sort of aesthetic

1:05:24

sounds on his work to make it sound like of

1:05:26

a older period. But he's so creative

1:05:28

and really really fantastic artists. So

1:05:31

check Liam Bailey out with This track from

1:05:33

Liam Bailey that we're going out on is called

1:05:35

Champion from the album Ekundo.

1:05:38

So check this song out. It's really dope, has

1:05:40

like a lot of nice little roads piano

1:05:42

playing on it. But yeah, that's we're gonna write

1:05:44

out on. And like this is a production of

1:05:46

My Heart Radio. So for more podcast Got the Heart radiop

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wherever you get your podcast free, see you later

1:05:51

talk about what's trending. Until then, have a

1:05:53

good week y'all. Buy he