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Donald Trump junior, Don, welcome to

1:47

the show. Good to

1:49

do with you, Dan. How are you? I'm

1:52

doing great. I was absolutely

1:54

ecstatic to see this news release

1:56

the other day that you will be starting

1:58

a podcast called Triggered without

2:01

Trump junior on rumble disclosure.

2:03

I'm an investor and rumble folks. But

2:06

I saw it and was really,

2:08

really smiling year to year. It's great to

2:10

have you over there. Tell us about the show.

2:12

I believe it starts January twenty third.

2:15

Yes. When it's going to start end of January

2:17

and I'm just excited about it. You know because

2:19

we've had this conversation many times, I think

2:21

we can disclose that about our feelings

2:24

for what's what's going on, you know,

2:26

with big tech. But honestly, even at

2:28

this point, even legacy media, you

2:30

know, so many of the quote unquote

2:32

can spiracy theories that have happened and

2:34

people wanted to just have conversation about

2:37

that were dubbed as misinformation or disinformation

2:40

or got people thrown off No

2:42

one's been having honest conversations anymore,

2:44

Dan. Everyone's been having conversations,

2:47

you know, under the guise of

2:49

overlords that want nothing to do

2:51

with free speech or truth or anything.

2:54

And so I've been such a believer in

2:57

that movement separating ourselves from

2:59

those kinds of platforms. They're doing it that

3:02

Chris Pawlowski, I think he's done an job

3:04

with Rumble. I think it's been a great success. And I think

3:06

it's success demonstrates that

3:08

there's a real demand for people wanting to

3:10

have those conversations. When did they agree with

3:12

it or not? When I when I love about the platform,

3:14

it's not right or left. There's people both sides

3:17

of the spectrum on there, and that's okay

3:19

because that's the way it should be. So Right.

3:21

Yeah. I I'm really excited about it.

3:23

It'll be it'll be fun, and I'm sure drive

3:25

a lot of people crazy. Oh, we're

3:27

talking to Donald Trump junior. I I know we will.

3:29

He's got a new podcast coming out on

3:31

rumble. It's called triggered be

3:33

available around January twenty

3:35

third. Yeah. You know, Don, that's one of the

3:37

things about the free speech movement that makes

3:39

me and I'm sure you as well. Proud to be

3:41

a conservative. We don't fear Liberals,

3:43

not only do we not fear them, we actually

3:46

welcome them. You know, me being an investor in rumble,

3:48

I say to Liberals, Come on over, man.

3:50

I think your ideas are stupid. I think

3:52

they're ridiculous. I think they're counterproductive. And

3:55

you know what? I would love to hear

3:57

you voice him on rumble. So I can then

3:59

take some of the content and refute it

4:01

on my own podcast on rumble, but that's

4:03

not what they did to us, Don, and it's not what

4:05

they did to your dad. When they blocked

4:07

the Hunter Biden information that

4:09

unquestionably

4:11

interfered in the twenty twenty election.

4:14

Oh, without question. I mean, I remember if

4:16

if a conservative did that, they're,

4:18

you know, they're the leading

4:20

cause against them. Christy. They can be in jail. Like,

4:22

you know, in all fairness, you know, that would be an

4:24

actual insurrection, not like a fake insurrection

4:27

where people show up on arm. In

4:29

in our protesting. Right? That would actually

4:31

be an insurrection. And yet,

4:33

when it happens on the left, it's it's just

4:35

crooked. As people ask me, like, you have

4:37

truth. You have rumbling. You have all these platforms that I

4:39

love being all. But I, you I said on

4:41

Twitter, even when it was totally

4:43

leftist run because Yes.

4:45

I think that my ideas and my

4:47

ability to back them up

4:49

actually makes the other side look

4:51

foolish. It's why I don't

4:53

leave any of those platforms. We have to be

4:55

engaging in those conversations. But the fact

4:57

that only one side wants

5:00

to actually engage in that battle,

5:02

only one side wants to actually

5:05

compare our ideas tells you

5:07

everything you need to know about the

5:09

other side and the actual viability of

5:12

their ideas. They're not good.

5:14

As the thing, even as it relates to, you

5:16

know, the elect and all of the craziness

5:18

going on. Right? Like, the conservatives, we're

5:20

actually not losing on ideas right now.

5:22

We're actually, in my opinion, starting

5:25

to make rise and maybe are even

5:27

winning sort of the pop culture

5:29

side of things because people understand

5:31

how lunacy is driving

5:34

the left. What we're losing is

5:36

we're not capable of running a ballot harvesting

5:38

operation like the other side. And we have

5:40

to make those distinctions and we have to change

5:42

accordingly. But In terms of ideas,

5:45

in terms of, you know, bringing people on, in

5:47

terms of turning people off, you

5:49

know, the conservatives, like and their ideas

5:51

are now actually winning a lot of those

5:53

battles. We have to do a lot more to actually win

5:55

elections in my opinion. You know,

5:58

but you know, but baby steps. You know, we're we're never

6:00

gonna be ahead of the curve on those

6:02

things. They're always much better at figuring

6:04

those things out and being five years ahead of us

6:06

by the time we realize what's going on, but

6:08

I think it's a great start. Yeah.

6:11

We're talking to Donald Trump junior, hosted a

6:13

new podcast on rumble coming up

6:15

January twenty third triggered with

6:17

Donald Trump junior. You know, Don,

6:19

one of the things, unfortunately, the left is

6:21

very good at as well, is

6:23

a deep state overly bureaucratic

6:25

government that's weaponized. I mean, we obviously

6:28

saw that with your dad. Your dad was president of

6:30

the United States and there were

6:32

people manipulating their positions. Even

6:34

though he's probably the most powerful man

6:36

in the in the world, They

6:38

still have the ability to undermine

6:40

him, spy on him, and do all the

6:42

things he did. Now when you sweetie,

6:44

you see Elon, with these Twitter

6:46

files, these releases. I mean, it has

6:48

to be at least a moment of indication

6:50

for you that, yeah, we're not the crazies

6:52

they are. Like like you said before, everything

6:55

we were told was a conspiracy theory

6:57

turned out to be correct. It turned out we found

6:59

out yesterday that Adam Schiff and his

7:01

team actually were emailing

7:03

Twitter people to ban a journalist,

7:05

Paul Sperry, who conveniently was

7:07

exposing the spying operation

7:09

on your dad. I mean, this is like

7:12

third world crap in lifetime.

7:15

Well, to show you just how dishonest Adam

7:17

Ship, actually, is I've been saying this for a while

7:19

and I testified before him for, like, nine

7:21

or eleven and hours or something like that.

7:24

It was so outrageous. The

7:26

ask was so asinine that

7:28

even the people at Twitter, even the leftist

7:31

overlords at quitter. At the time,

7:33

we're like, yeah, that's a little too far. We can't do

7:35

that. But even they couldn't do that, you

7:37

know, they threw me off for making

7:39

payments. They've thrown me a conservative

7:42

for, you know, conspiracy theories that weren't

7:44

conspiracy theories. They were always logical.

7:46

The one I use most because it's

7:48

so obvious was, like, the Wuhan

7:50

Lab League theory. Right? Like, of course,

7:53

it came from there. And, yeah, if you said that

7:55

it came from there, Like, you were

7:57

throwing off as like, no. No. We're it

7:59

it came from the wet market seven feet

8:01

outside of the lab, Dan. It's definitely

8:03

not from the lab. Studies the exact

8:05

virus in question. It

8:07

definitely didn't come from that. And if you were a doctor,

8:09

like, you'd lose tenure for saying

8:12

what was always the most

8:14

plausible answer. So, you know,

8:17

it's it's been vindicating in the sense

8:19

that it's like, for years you're

8:21

having to fight back, you're like, no, I'm not actually

8:23

crazy, but it's not in the

8:25

sense that they still got what

8:27

they wanted. Dan. That's the problem. You know,

8:29

Don, you I I didn't tell what they

8:31

want. Two years later, they admit that Israel is

8:33

wrong, but guess what? They're they're they're in the driver's

8:35

seat. They get everything that you're ready. And

8:37

legacy media has helped that as well because

8:39

there's no media culture. There's no we're

8:41

gonna real know the way they do things. If

8:43

they do it all things, they get what they

8:45

want, they they don't even apologize. They

8:47

just don't talk about it anymore. And we're

8:49

supposed to pretend, like, you know, we we

8:51

have actual, you know, actual

8:53

fair media in our country. Like, it's

8:55

insane. Like, you know, all the things we'd

8:57

love to believe about America, all the things

8:59

that you and I grew up believing about our

9:01

country and how great it was like, honestly,

9:03

a lot of it all lie because because of

9:05

this sort of stuff, because of the actual

9:07

control. You're the president, if it's a

9:09

conservative president, doesn't have

9:11

the power that you think

9:13

the president didn't see details because there could be so

9:15

many unelected officials and government that

9:17

can just stymie whatever it is that

9:19

they want to do because they are on the

9:21

other side and not acting

9:23

in, you know, based on the will of

9:25

the people. And that's scary stuff. No.

9:27

You're right. Talking to Don Trump junior again

9:29

hosted the new pod test on rumble

9:32

triggered starting January twenty third.

9:34

Don, you you you just kinda nailed

9:36

it with the Wuhan lamp thing. I always think to

9:38

myself, I was an alien with no knowledge

9:40

of Earth. And I took a quick course in the

9:42

language. And I came down here and I'm thinking to

9:44

myself, oh, wow. You just had this viral outbreak

9:46

all over the globe. Looks kinda serious. And

9:48

then someone comes up to you with you have no idea

9:50

about political agendas or anything. Yeah. And

9:52

listen, there's a very powerful government that has

9:54

a lab that has expertise in this type

9:56

of virus. It's run by a bunch of deranged

9:58

socialist. They've had leaks from there before.

10:00

The leak in where the virus started was

10:02

right around that area. A bunch of

10:04

people got sick there and the government got

10:06

caught lying about it or it came

10:08

from a pangolin no one can find. The

10:10

aliens like, what are you

10:12

freaking humans idiots? Of course, it came from

10:14

the land. And you're right. Like, that was an

10:16

example of the power these platforms

10:18

had that guys like you and me who were

10:20

sane and my audience were

10:22

like, Wait. Where the nutjobs? Like,

10:24

even John Stewart. If you remember that

10:26

late night appearance, who's no conservative

10:28

at

10:28

all? Was like, are you kidding, of course, this

10:31

damn thing's from a lab.

10:33

But, like, but people couldn't even

10:35

say that doctors couldn't say

10:37

that because if they did,

10:39

there were actual consequences. It

10:41

wasn't like I disagree with you. Like, there

10:43

weren't be punitive financial

10:45

ten year consequences, whatever

10:47

it may be, and that's the problem. That's

10:50

why what's been driving society

10:52

right now. You know, you and I like,

10:54

honestly, at this point for me, like, when they try to

10:56

cancel me, it actually makes us

10:58

stronger in a certain

10:59

way. Right? Because it's there's we

11:00

we have enough other ways to get it out there.

11:02

Like, unless there's some sort of universal cancellation,

11:05

they can almost not do it, but, like,

11:07

you know, if you're a parent, you know, who has

11:09

labeled a domestic terrorist because you were

11:11

concerned about, you know, the

11:13

indoctrination of critical race theory and all

11:15

the other trans nonsense that they're pushing on our

11:17

kids in school. You said something, you're labeled

11:19

a domestic terrorist. People

11:22

you you could lose your job. They were

11:24

you know, the same people complaining, you

11:26

know, that you mentioned their name on the

11:28

thing, we're doxxing people

11:30

that are not in the public eye who would you

11:32

know, again, use common sense,

11:35

Opman's razor, like, the, you know, the most plausible

11:37

answer is probably the most likely answer.

11:39

Right? Like, these sorts of things these

11:41

people were fearing for their careers, for

11:43

their families, for their lives,

11:45

and and like apparently, that's okay. Now if

11:47

we did it to the other side, it would

11:49

be the end of democracy. That's all

11:51

you'd hear about. But when they did it to us for

11:53

years, it's now proven.

11:55

It's like brickets.

11:57

Nothing. Nothing to see here. Who cares?

11:59

Again, that's why we have to go

12:01

so hard. That's why I wanted to be out there talking

12:03

about it because again, it's still

12:05

exist. Maybe it's getting a little bit better. Maybe

12:07

Twitter changed that a little

12:09

bit, but those social consequences

12:11

still exist. We have to make it okay

12:13

for people to be able to have conversation,

12:16

to have different ideas, to

12:18

not say, well, I have to

12:20

mutate my idea to make

12:22

it k so that I don't

12:24

lose my job, that that doesn't work, not

12:26

in America. That's communist China stuff.

12:29

In China, you know, for me, I I feel

12:31

like I've been one of those voices that unafraid

12:33

to say these things and hopefully that brings

12:35

other people out. I know,

12:37

you know, I was having dinner

12:39

with your brother. I Eric and we

12:41

were talking and that Eric was like,

12:43

oh, yeah. Donald go for

12:45

it. Donald go right for it on

12:47

Instagram or Twitter. I love that

12:49

about you too. You're one of the best follows on

12:51

social, but I think I really

12:53

do think things are changing. It's

12:55

not me trying to signal

12:57

virtue or be unnecessarily optimistic

13:00

between true social, your dad's

13:02

platform, the growth of

13:04

rumble, you know, millions and millions

13:06

of users other platforms out there

13:08

as well, I do see a

13:10

sea change happening. I think a

13:12

lot of people feel the way you do with your

13:14

new podcast and rumble that You know what?

13:16

I'm just I may play ball over there

13:18

once in a while at YouTube and but my

13:20

home is gonna be something different because I know I'll

13:22

eventually be banned by these lefty

13:24

platforms. Yes. No,

13:26

I think that's right. I think

13:28

that's right. I mean, if there was ever a light at

13:30

the end of the tunnel, we're starting

13:32

we're starting to see it. Again, I think

13:34

we're winning some of those battles. I think

13:36

even people who don't agree with

13:38

us politically or with our ideas

13:40

are looking at sort of what went on and saying,

13:43

holy crap. Like, you know, they're you

13:45

know, there are a few there are a few people on

13:47

the left that can be intellectually honest enough

13:49

to be like, oh, my at. If this went the

13:51

other way, like, it would be,

13:53

you know, nuclear auction type of

13:55

stuff. And so, you know, I I do

13:57

feel good about it. I mean, we're I think we're still at the

13:59

leading edge of it. Have to go a long

14:01

way. I mean, don't forget. Do you

14:03

think what happened in at Twitter

14:05

was any different than what's happening

14:07

at No. Facebook, you know,

14:09

Instagram, Med you know,

14:11

however YouTube certainly and and by

14:13

the way, but more importantly, Do you

14:15

think what happened at Twitter? Was

14:17

that different than what was happening in

14:19

every newsroom in

14:21

America then? That's the real That's

14:23

a great point. That's what no one's

14:26

talking about. Like, sure it happens in social. Where are you?

14:28

So we know everyone that's been thrown off or in

14:30

space for jail for saying, you

14:32

like Trump. But, like, the reality is that

14:34

same stuff and those same beliefs

14:36

weren't happening in every newsroom

14:38

in America. And I'd love to see those files

14:40

someday because I

14:42

guarantee you, it's ugly and it would be

14:44

shocking, it would make mouth blush.

14:47

No, I would too. It's a great up in The Wall

14:49

Street Journal just popped a couple of

14:51

minutes ago. Talking about a

14:53

potential class action lawsuit to expose

14:55

these other companies. Well, Don, I'm I'm at

14:57

a time. I want everyone to please if you

14:59

would. With respect, go out.

15:01

And make sure you keep your eye on Donald Trump

15:03

Junior's new podcast on rumble launching

15:05

January twenty third, a couple episodes a week.

15:07

He's gonna get the best guess. You know

15:09

that. Don's always been a worry with this. Don Trump

15:11

junior, as always, thank you for your time, sir. We

15:13

really appreciate it. Good

15:14

to be with you, my friend.

15:17

You got it. Folksie just goes for it.

15:19

That's what I love about Don. Don't

15:21

don't mess around.

15:22

Right? Jim Jim's on to say. When Don's got

15:24

something to say, Dodd's gonna say

15:26

it. I love that about him. That

15:28

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15:31

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God forbid, speaker, the truth about COVID.

17:53

I wanna get to COVID in the vacs

17:55

and packs love in your recent story in a

17:57

minute, but First, I wanted to cover your other

17:59

great story because you're so good at

18:01

this. But I dressed it yesterday, your story at the

18:03

blaze about the twenty patriots

18:05

up on Capitol Hill. Who stuck to their guns in

18:07

the speakers' race. And this

18:09

how this committed minority may have

18:11

provided a blueprint for

18:13

the movement going forward to take

18:16

our party. That's right. Our

18:18

party back from the

18:20

establishment hacks. Describe

18:22

if you could one, but there were two

18:24

takeaways I had from the piece. How this

18:26

is instructional for a committed minority?

18:28

And then second, how they fake it

18:30

now primaries, and so the numbers up on

18:32

the hill get kind of skewed,

18:34

if you

18:34

would. Sure. Sure. So I mean, the

18:37

catch phrase is shooting the hostage. And

18:39

obviously, we mean that metaphorically,

18:41

but we were never willing to do that.

18:43

We were never willing to take it to

18:45

the next level. It's always a matter of yeah. We're always kind

18:47

of a minority. Most Republicans aren't

18:49

like us, and this is just how

18:51

it is. But

18:53

the reality is the overwhelming

18:55

majority of Republican voters who

18:57

vote for Republicans and not Democrats

19:00

Vote because they share our values, not

19:02

the case street, Wall Street globalist,

19:04

whatever these guys, the Mitch McConnell, gain,

19:06

that they've been playing for so many years.

19:09

But the problem is people always

19:11

have treated the Republican party

19:13

like a brother or a friend that

19:16

rather than the We on their plantation rather

19:18

than then moving to our

19:21

plantation. And I think that's the point they were

19:23

willing to use leverage not

19:25

access. Oh, I want access to the biggest Republican

19:28

leaders. No. I'm gonna use the

19:30

leverage. Whether it's a

19:32

primary whether it's a speaker's election,

19:34

whether it's holding up a policy,

19:36

a bill, you've got to be willing to

19:38

have an uncomfortable moment

19:41

create temporary chaos, which by the

19:43

way, no one even remembers it.

19:45

At least not for the bed, maybe for the good. It's

19:47

like we're going on with There's

19:49

new stories. We always knew this would

19:51

happen. We would recover. We could have done another

19:53

few days doing that as well. And

19:55

the secured I don't wanna exaggerate.

19:57

It's not the promised land, but

19:59

it's at least the tools to get our foot in

20:01

the door. We've never

20:03

had this much leverage to

20:06

force a brinkmanship on government spending bills,

20:08

debt ceilings, farm bills, you

20:10

know, proposing embarrassing Well,

20:13

amendments and votes that the GOP might

20:15

find embarrassing. See, typically,

20:18

it's carefully crafted theater.

20:21

They indulge our talking points very superficially,

20:23

but then they ensure that

20:25

it's never a choice on the menu.

20:28

So it's kinda this or but the democrats or, you

20:30

know, the democrats are gonna win. That that's

20:32

all they say. Here, our guys

20:34

can now force vote. We can't

20:36

force guarantee outcomes know what?

20:39

It either it creates AAA

20:41

converter die moment. Either they

20:43

go along with us, or,

20:45

well, we take the loan class away,

20:47

and they will be marked as,

20:50

you know, being against, like, for example, and

20:52

we now we could force a bill

20:55

on getting rid of pharma liability. This is

20:57

something that the GOP would not have

20:59

done on their own and we'll see where

21:02

they vote. And Dan. Alright. We're talking to Dan

21:04

Horowitz. He's at RM

21:06

Conservative back on

21:08

Twitter at RM Conservative. Dan,

21:10

ARE WE ALREADY SEEING THE FRUITS

21:12

OF THIS? JUST IN THE LAST

21:14

FEW DAYS. RULES PACKAGE PASSED.

21:17

VACC'S MANDDAY FROM THE PENAGON,

21:20

GONE. Omar, swallwell, and Schiff, booted

21:22

off their committees. Resolution

21:24

passed creating the subcommittee on

21:26

weaponization of government. Like you, I'm always

21:28

skeptical. We can revert back to the

21:30

mean later, but are we not

21:32

already seeing the results

21:34

of Kevin McCarthy who

21:36

is not a conservative, but

21:38

now being forced based on what the

21:40

twenty patriots did, he's being forced

21:42

to do things that the conservative

21:45

grassroots

21:45

wants.

21:46

And with the understanding that they can always come

21:48

back and will come back and are committed

21:50

and don't care about the

21:52

negative press from so called conservative

21:55

media and the liberal media and they're willing

21:57

to do it and they have the motion to

21:59

vacate. So the tool is still there, but

22:01

we are seeing that. We're seeing more

22:03

conservatives get on committees bump,

22:06

people like Dan Crenshaw, a French

22:08

caucus member bumped him for homeland security

22:10

chair. And, you know, we do

22:12

have our independent sub committee that's

22:14

gonna be populated by people like Chip Roy,

22:16

Thomas, Nancy, Dan Bishop, these

22:18

guys. So it is coming

22:20

along, but I think it's important Audience

22:22

understands the backdrop to this, the

22:24

background. Because, you know, I was fighting with

22:26

this rules issue several months ago. Some

22:28

of these other you know,

22:30

conservative vanguard seemed to be experts at

22:33

it, but didn't understand the genesis of this.

22:35

It's kinda like focusing on

22:37

you in twenty twenty two, but not twenty fourteen.

22:39

So basically, what happened was

22:41

in the summer, the freedom caucus

22:43

came to McCarthy and was like, look, well, we can't

22:45

continue the same thing or nonsense.

22:47

You know, we got to empower

22:50

individual members to bring amendments to

22:52

open process, and they had some of these other

22:54

things. Some time that even before conservatives were

22:56

given a seat at the table. These just

22:58

bare bones rules that even

23:00

Democrats should support it. And I'll

23:02

be honest with you. It was talked to

23:04

the hands. I mean, they didn't they didn't

23:06

even really secure a meeting. They didn't

23:08

gain any progress. It

23:10

wasn't until the only

23:12

one surprisingly a narrow majority

23:14

And a bunch of guys,

23:17

five of them said, we are not

23:19

gonna vote for you. But

23:21

suddenly, he started changing. Well, I'll give

23:23

you this. I'll give you that. And

23:25

it's important to remember they

23:27

had these conference votes, you know, a private

23:29

conference votes, all two hundred two two hundred

23:31

twenty two members And they voted on things.

23:33

They voted on leadership. They voted on rules.

23:36

They couldn't even get a

23:39

quarter of the conference to

23:41

ban earmarks which the Iranian successfully

23:43

did under Bader, but it was undone

23:45

by Pelosi just to reinstate that

23:47

previously plowed ground. I

23:49

mean, so this is what typically happens.

23:51

We have thirty, forty guys voted

23:54

down, and we're happy with it. But

23:56

but they were afraid in the

23:58

past were I I wanna get to I'm running out of

24:00

time. I wanna get to other stuff. I don't mean to cut you up. So

24:02

what you were saying in the past is they

24:04

were the the even thirty

24:06

or forty in the past who may have been identified

24:08

conservatives in the Republican caucus

24:11

would would would make threats, but

24:13

they were title, correct that they wouldn't do

24:15

anything about it. They again would just go online and

24:17

okay. I just I'm I your

24:19

your article's amazing. It's in yesterday's

24:21

show notes folks. What's the title? Do you remember the title? Yes. It's

24:23

the Blaze. It's forgive me. I

24:25

don't have it off the top of my head. It's in yesterday's

24:28

newsletter, folks. It's really good. But,

24:30

Dan, You've got an article out today about tax movement. You have

24:32

been all over. COVID nineteen,

24:34

the vaccine, the manipulation

24:37

of science, give us the low

24:39

down on packs low, but do you think this is gonna

24:41

be another medical

24:43

science scandal moving forward? What what was

24:46

I didn't a chance to read the piece. I just saw it pop before you came on the

24:48

air. Sure. The the the problem

24:50

is that this is not a sexy

24:52

issue like guns talks as

24:54

an abortion that conservatives are used

24:56

to, but it's an issue we better get familiar

24:58

with. Curling off being on is always like,

25:00

Ben, I'm happy of an American trust the FDA,

25:02

the drugs, you know, we -- Right. -- know what we're putting into

25:04

our bodies. But this is a

25:06

systemic problem. We now see

25:08

that if you have a medical product

25:11

that's viewed as a

25:13

spirit of the age item. It's

25:15

treated like a spirit of the age item and

25:17

not like medicine science. It's

25:19

kinda like the same idea that they'll cut someone's balls off, literally.

25:21

I mean, you'll have these big you know,

25:24

doctors think we're gonna do chemical

25:26

castration, and they'll look you in in

25:28

the face you know, with the straight

25:30

face, something we see with the vaccine. So

25:32

everybody is an awareness that finds us

25:34

other product, which is PACX

25:36

LOVID. thirty two common

25:38

drug contraindications. And

25:40

there's there's papers out. I cited one,

25:42

but there's actually several that

25:44

people that kidney damage from

25:48

seemingly the doctors and pharmacists

25:50

didn't deal with the contraindications and

25:53

it seems like it creates a rebound effect. It

25:55

seems like it has a risk of

25:57

creating blood clots. It's funny that everything

26:00

seems to do that that they

26:02

put out. And that got

26:04

me thinking like, wait a minute.

26:06

We just spent first ten point six

26:08

billion and then now we wrote them another two

26:10

billion dollar check And the

26:13

only data we have is from the

26:15

manufacturer itself just like with

26:17

the vaccines. This

26:19

is this is some serious money. And, you

26:21

know, they're gonna earn twenty two billion this year

26:23

on tax a little bit. Just to give your

26:25

listeners a a sense of

26:29

proportion, Home Depot's take

26:31

away income, their their net

26:33

earnings, was about sixteen point

26:35

four billion It's the largest

26:37

hardware company in

26:38

the

26:38

world. So that serious money

26:41

off of human experimentation. This

26:43

is mixed with an AIDS drug.

26:45

We don't know a lot about this, and I'm starting

26:47

to wonder, not wonder, I know

26:49

this drug is a problem, but how bad is

26:51

it? And these are the sorts of

26:53

things that this GOP housed the

26:56

select sub committee on

26:58

coronavirus needs to investigate. Yeah.

27:00

They do. Dan's article from yesterday, by the way,

27:02

Jim looked up his twenty

27:04

House Patriots provide the blueprint for

27:07

conservatives to re re assert control over the

27:09

GOP. That's at the blaze dot com.

27:11

You can check that out. Dan, the

27:14

vaccine. Obviously, a lot of

27:16

people are concerned. Me

27:18

included, we have seen cases of

27:20

myocarditis up swelling of the heart muscle

27:23

tissue. I just read during the

27:25

break because it just popped the new Wall Street Journal

27:27

op ed. I think Casey Mulligan wrote

27:29

it. Talking about non COVID excess

27:32

deaths. In other words, how

27:34

deaths above the mean from the

27:36

last few years seem to be elevated

27:38

even if they're non COVID related.

27:40

Now some of that could be the suicides

27:42

from the mental health problems we caused

27:44

through the school lockdowns But

27:47

this is really concerning stub. My

27:49

question to you is having studied the

27:52

vaccine and really looked at the

27:54

data unlike, you know, quote, scientists out there who

27:56

ignore people like you and try to ban

27:58

you. Do you think this problem

28:00

longitudinally with the MyoCAR

28:02

dilus and the died suddenly phenomenon tragedy

28:04

is is gonna get worse?

28:07

You know, as a myocarditis, is

28:10

just the tip of the iceberg. That's what the

28:12

media has allowed out, you

28:14

know, pretty relatively early. I mean, this

28:16

is two years worth of stuff. It's not

28:18

any on anecdote or data

28:21

point, III was I was

28:23

scared to bore to bore my audience.

28:25

So, you know, last week, I focused on

28:27

other things, but really there's not a single

28:29

day that goes by where there

28:31

aren't multiple safety signal

28:33

studies data points that come out that

28:35

each one alone would have been enough the yester

28:37

year to pull this product from the market and launch

28:39

an investigation, but would just go on.

28:41

I mean, just two of them, you

28:43

had the last two weeks in England

28:45

and Wales the excess

28:47

deaths are twenty point seven percent above the

28:49

five year average. And that's already in the UK

28:51

media. Now they're saying now no one caused it.

28:53

But first of the thing when you look at the timing,

28:56

the mechanism of action, the case

28:58

studies, the academic studies,

29:00

theirs, v safe, surveys,

29:02

you know, different tons of these, you

29:04

know, of these, some of these surveys,

29:06

you have medical insurance billing,

29:08

life insurance data, disability, I mean, it all

29:10

paints the same picture. This would be enough

29:12

to convict an individual

29:15

for for a critical act. You know,

29:17

the amount of circumstantial evidence

29:19

we had You know, there was there was a

29:21

study that was just published

29:23

last week from American Heart

29:25

Association's publication Circulation

29:28

Harvard researchers they found in a group of

29:30

kids that had myocarditis, there were four

29:32

hundred thirty six

29:34

billion spikes

29:36

floating in their blood plasma. So

29:38

that's the big part that we learned.

29:40

The mRNA goes forever

29:43

Potentially, it goes all over your

29:45

body and it's an unlimited amount.

29:47

It was a good idea to have your body

29:49

maybe produce certain things.

29:52

But the dangerous thing is they Moderna

29:55

announced yesterday they wanna do this with heart

29:57

attack medication with

29:59

melanoma

30:00

cancer stuff. But what we've learned

30:01

is what we've learned is, again, it

30:04

sounds like our body produce things

30:06

that grow the heart muscle or

30:08

whatever. But there's

30:10

nothing that's good in infinite quantities. And

30:13

this thing is a big problem,

30:15

and it's not even like we could say,

30:17

COVID's over. It's not just about COVID.

30:20

It's that we're in a new era of biomedical

30:23

experimentation that they could

30:25

just get away with putting stuff

30:27

in billions of people's bodies When

30:29

trying to face all these problems, I mean, you just

30:31

have today it's all over the place, a Taiwanese

30:34

study in the European Journal

30:36

of Pediatrics, that

30:39

seventeen percent of the high

30:41

school kids mainly boys in

30:43

their survey, seventeen

30:45

percent experienced least some sort of

30:47

cardiac side effect

30:49

from the second dose of of Pfizer,

30:51

meaning chest tightness, chest

30:54

pain, irregular heartbeat,

30:57

maybe shortness of breath. I

30:59

mean, hopefully, not all seventeen percent.

31:01

We'll have problems down the road, but we don't

31:03

know that. If we have this

31:05

much fire and then you see such

31:07

a greater cohort of

31:08

smoke, I mean, that that

31:11

ain't good. Yeah. Dan, I I gotta run.

31:13

Unfortunately, I'm I'm like a minute over, but I

31:15

love having you. I wanted you to finish your thought

31:17

on that. He's back on

31:19

Twitter. Dan Horowitz. If you want more of

31:21

the content you just heard, go to at r

31:23

m, conservative. Dan, always a pleasure

31:25

to have you on. Thanks for joining us

31:28

today.

31:28

Take care. God bless. You got it folks. I'll get into

31:30

the victory thing. More victories. Coming up next,

31:32

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31:34

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John Solomon breaking down the real Biden

32:49

scandal. Is he a foreign agent?

32:51

Nobody's done better reporting than

32:53

John Solomon. Check

32:55

this out. Alright.

32:57

Now if there is a guy who

32:59

has led the way with the Russia

33:01

hoax, impeachment up, Ukrainian debacle

33:03

and all that. I mean, a guy whose reporting

33:05

has been kind of a load star for a lot of

33:07

people out there. By the way, whether they're admitted

33:10

or not, I admit it because I'm proud to say it. Is

33:12

it's John Solomon. That's why I love his

33:14

side. Just the news. It's awesome. John, welcome to

33:16

the show. It's great to have you. Yeah. Great to

33:18

meet with you, Dan. So

33:20

John, we need how how you're not here

33:22

more often? It's just a shame. We use your pieces

33:25

all the time on your side. You have great

33:27

reporters over there. Yeah,

33:29

you really broke a lot of this wide open. And

33:31

one of the pieces we focused on

33:34

yesterday, is this class I

33:36

document scandal. And I believe, John,

33:38

that it is a rather small scandal in the

33:40

bigger scheme of things that I believe

33:42

in I believe Biden was a

33:44

foreign agent. I don't mean, like, double

33:46

o seven CIA. I mean, in the

33:48

economic sense of a principal agent problem

33:50

in that there was money changing

33:52

hands filtered through his son was

33:54

clearly meant to influence Biden. I mean,

33:56

Hunter Biden's admitted as such. Now

33:58

your piece yesterday that I covered

34:00

in the hill where you wrote about the Soros

34:02

connection in Ukraine is really stunning.

34:05

Because it really speaks to this bigger

34:07

problem, how there were Ukrainian interests to

34:09

arm and get money to Ukraine

34:11

way before the war. By people like

34:13

Kalaniyuk and others who were lobbying for the Saudi Arabia, Kalaniyuk. And those were

34:15

Biden interests to interest as his

34:18

son was on the payroll of a

34:20

Ukrainian company.

34:22

Yeah. Listen, all of the foreign

34:24

ties are troubling now because you see

34:26

so many instances where Joe Biden each

34:29

and every time act in

34:31

the interest of his son's clients. And

34:34

let's just go through some of them that

34:36

we now see. The most recent

34:38

one, this just happened in the

34:40

last year. Joe Biden works for the University of Pennsylvania.

34:42

He is a guest professor there. He gets nine

34:44

hundred and eleven thousand dollars for two years of

34:46

very light work. Basically, he lending his

34:48

name to

34:50

a center. That university gets a ton of Chinese money. As

34:52

soon as they get that Chinese money,

34:54

what are they doing? They're

34:56

lobbying the Joe Biden administration

34:58

to shut down the

35:00

FBI's main counter espionage program.

35:02

And before long, boom,

35:04

the Amerigarlin goes and he shuts

35:06

down the very program that by the way, Chris

35:09

Raythe DI Director says is so important. In

35:11

fact, less than two weeks after

35:13

Joe Biden's old employer, which was flushed

35:15

with Chinese cash, makes a

35:18

request, puts and puts their letter public,

35:20

merit garland complies and shuts down a

35:22

very important counter espionage program

35:24

for the FBI trying to keep Chinese spies

35:26

out of American academia. That

35:28

pattern goes on and on and on. Right?

35:30

We go back to Ukraine. As you

35:32

remember, the

35:34

prosecutor there is fired by Joe Biden. He admits

35:36

it on tape, so it isn't in doubt.

35:38

At a time when he's investigating Hunter

35:42

Biden's, program for corruption. What

35:44

do the state department officials privately say in their private emails? A hundred

35:47

Biden undercut the

35:49

Obama administration's in higher

35:51

efforts to fight corruption in Ukraine. That's

35:54

a pretty extraordinary email

35:56

exchange that we've made public in the last

35:58

few months. Everywhere

36:00

you go, you see Joe Biden taking an

36:02

action that seems to align with the

36:04

money interest that a hundred Biden

36:07

was pursuing at the time and collecting

36:09

cash from it. People will ask, is it a coincidence?

36:11

Maybe it's just serendipity. Right? Well,

36:13

you're saying I wanna put that.

36:15

This is really important. From the

36:18

moment Joe Biden got in and started measuring

36:20

the curtains in the vice president's office of

36:22

the White House in twenty ten. He's in just

36:24

a year as a White House, a member of the Obama

36:26

White House, he is talking to his

36:28

son and their business partners. I wanna

36:30

learn about my earnings potential. I

36:32

wanna learn

36:34

how much money I can make. By twenty sixteen, the language

36:36

has changed from earning

36:38

potential to

36:40

wealth creation. He was putting

36:42

pressure on his son and their business partners

36:44

to figure out how he a lifelong

36:46

servant was going to get rich. And in that

36:48

pressure in

36:50

that lead Hunter Biden to China, Russia, Ukraine,

36:52

all the places that we're now talking about

36:54

and know that the family has

36:56

received money. Such

36:58

a shocking piece of information, John,

37:00

honestly, I forgot to include in yesterday's show

37:02

about them shutting down the

37:04

espionage program against against

37:06

the Chinese as as as as

37:08

Hunter has these shady deals going. I

37:10

I had totally neglected to throw that in. There

37:12

was so much information yesterday show I've been so focused

37:14

on Ukraine. Yeah. The premise yesterday

37:17

show just to sum up and why we

37:19

wanted you so badly, was it? The

37:22

classified documents allegedly here found in the Penn Biden

37:24

center, according to multiple reports

37:26

involved Ukraine and other countries

37:28

as well,

37:30

And and and John, as you so accurately

37:32

wrote about in your reporting at

37:34

the a hill before they went nuts. But that's

37:36

all other story. Now you're doing a better website.

37:39

You wrote there about

37:41

Ukraine. Ukraine was a piggy bank. It

37:43

was a piggy bank for lobbyists. It was a

37:45

piggy bank for politicians and

37:48

influenced peddlers because you had a lot of things going on. You had pro

37:50

Russia forces versus pro

37:52

European forces. You had different color

37:54

revolutions. It was a piggy bank. It was

37:56

treated as a piggy

37:58

bank. My theory here is that the Biden team understood early

38:00

on when he was a vice president that

38:02

he wanted that. He wanted to be the point

38:04

man there because

38:06

he won and a piece of that action

38:08

and deputized his son, Hunter, to go do that. And and

38:10

that's what I believe they may be hiding in

38:12

a lot of these documents. And I believe someone

38:15

may have kept on them. There's no way they found these

38:18

documents by accident. I think someone in this

38:20

inner circle in either a farah or a

38:22

tax evasion court a

38:24

case flipped on them here. Your your thoughts on on all of that? great

38:26

question, because listen, the story just doesn't

38:28

seem to add up. Who hires expensive lawyers

38:30

to go clean out their office? You hire

38:33

a moving company cleaning company. You don't hire eight hundred

38:35

dollars an hour lawyers to go clean up your

38:38

office and they just happen to find classified

38:40

documents. And it happens to me

38:42

just before Bongino are

38:44

about to take over. So there's a lot of suspicion about what

38:47

really is the genesis for the

38:49

discovery of these documents by

38:51

the year what my all descriptions have

38:53

been missing by six years by the time

38:55

you've discovered. Right? That Biden's been out of

38:57

office for six years. So did he take

38:59

him with him? Did he go get him later from the

39:01

national archives? To keep him away from people when I started writing

39:04

those stories at the hill in twenty

39:06

nineteen? Those are questions that we're trying to get

39:08

answered. And

39:10

here's Australian Park. Republicans have control of the House. They

39:12

have subpoena authority. They have investigative

39:14

powers. They no longer have to rely on

39:16

the Democrats. The national

39:18

archives, which by the way, was blabbing

39:20

all the time about every

39:22

revelation involving Donald Trump,

39:24

has been completely numb. They

39:26

just told James Commer today. We can't answer your questions unless the

39:28

justice department gives us permission now.

39:30

They did have that same problem when they want the

39:32

blah about Donald Trump and

39:34

classified documents. have

39:36

clammed up and it's gonna be the

39:38

first of many signs that Republicans are

39:40

gonna have to extract information through

39:43

the power of subpoenas and through compelling

39:46

people because the

39:48

deep bureaucracy of the government is

39:50

going to align itself one more time

39:52

with Joe Biden. Absolutely. John,

39:54

I've got a theory on on

39:56

Ukraine, Obama, Biden, Trump, and Soros, how

39:59

he ties into all this. I'd love to get your take on

40:01

it being that a lot of my theory was

40:03

generated from your work. So Donald Trump,

40:05

whether it's through Mike Flynn or Paul Manafort,

40:07

who both had experience in the space. Manafort

40:09

knew what was going on in Ukraine because he was

40:11

working over there. You know,

40:14

whether you like that he was working over there or not to hold

40:16

others, but he knew the region. So

40:18

Trump is probably aware of the Ukrainian

40:21

piggy bank problem in pro Russian, pro European sides

40:23

in Ukraine cashing in in the US

40:25

and influence peddling. Right? It

40:28

must have come up to him at some point when he

40:30

gets in the White House said, hey, there was a

40:32

problem here. The reason Biden didn't run

40:34

against you is because the Obama Biden White House was

40:36

knee deep and this is son was

40:38

on the payroll over there. So it

40:40

appears they may have freaked out. And I think that's

40:42

one of the one of the probably

40:44

the Genesis behind the Ukrainian role in

40:46

the Russia hoax. Key Ukrainians

40:48

pitch this black ledger

40:51

narrative that turned out to be

40:53

fake that Paul Manafort Trump's

40:56

campaign manager was taking these off the book payments. That

40:58

was that was a was a telashchenko. Who's

41:00

someone created that fictitious narrative

41:04

and that's what started. It was a key component of the Russia host. The

41:06

Ukrainian, some of them wanted Trump

41:08

out. I believe because Trump knew what

41:10

was going on through Manafort, and they

41:13

were freight, this all be discovered. Well, here's one of

41:15

the amazing things in the testimonies I was

41:17

able to get from the Mueller

41:19

investigation. You Rick

41:22

Gates, Paul Manafort's right hand man who

41:24

ultimately becomes a state witness against Paul

41:26

Manafort. But it was very helpful

41:29

on very trusted by the think Rick Gates gave a

41:31

very honest assessment of what Paul Manafort

41:33

was doing. He tells the FBI

41:36

immediately, hey, that's why ledger is

41:38

completely a fake. The FBI knew

41:40

from the beginning when it began its

41:42

investigation of Paul Manafort before it

41:44

ever went to trial with

41:46

Paul Manafort that the key piece of evidence leaked to the New York

41:48

Times to start the Ukraine

41:50

scandal in

41:52

the beginning of the Trump

41:56

presidency was a fake document, fake evidence created

41:58

in the country where there's lots of

42:00

corruption. Ukraine is a very corrupt

42:02

country and If you go

42:04

back, you can go further back to twenty

42:06

fifteen Hillary Clinton's campaign

42:08

tested all of her scandals. This is in my

42:10

book. Fallout.

42:12

In twenty fifteen, Hillary Clinton

42:14

thought for sure her email scandal was going

42:17

to be the greatest impediment. To

42:19

her winning the presidency and defeating Donald Trump. It turned out that

42:21

when they did the polling, it wasn't that. It

42:23

was the fact that she and her

42:25

husband had so

42:28

many dirty cash ties to Russia

42:30

and to Vladimir Putin, basically the

42:32

early revelations from Peter Schweitzer's incredible

42:36

book. And so

42:38

they set out after getting that

42:40

polling data to try to hang a

42:43

Russia single on Donald Trump and

42:45

that goes through Ukraine, it goes

42:48

through Christopher Steel. The

42:50

entire operation to make

42:52

Donald Trump look like a Russian stooge was designed

42:54

to distract attention from

42:56

Hillary Clinton. When I wrote that book, we

42:58

did not yet know about

43:00

the intercept that we now know

43:02

about where the US government here is

43:04

Hillary Clinton is setting up and gonna

43:06

hang a shingle on Donald Trump a fake story on

43:08

that. We only learned about that

43:10

recently, but we already knew from interviews and from the

43:12

polling data that I was able to obtain in my

43:14

book that Hillary couldn't was looking

43:16

to contrive a

43:18

Russia scandal on Donald Trump to deflect

43:20

attention from her own Russia

43:22

liabilities that showed up in that poll. And I

43:24

think that is

43:26

the beginning of the six year evolution, Russia to Ukraine,

43:28

Ukraine to whatever else. They throw at

43:30

Donald Trump. They were constantly trying

43:32

to hide their own problems in Ukraine

43:34

and

43:34

Russia. By creating a fake scandal

43:36

for Republicans. We're talking to

43:38

John

43:38

Salmon, and the book is Fallout. Is that

43:41

right, John? That's what it is. Yeah. A

43:43

couple years old now. Let's check everything

43:45

else. I you know, my I

43:47

wrote a book called follow the money. The first chapter

43:49

is called insane in Ukraine. The

43:51

book was three thousand yesterday on one of those which is a lot for

43:53

a book that's four years old because I told you this what

43:56

the point I was trying to make yesterday was was not

43:58

even the cell buddy. I don't really care. I told

44:00

people check out a library. It doesn't matter

44:02

to me. Point, I was trying to make his guys like you

44:04

and me and and Sarah and

44:06

Greg and and and Jeff

44:08

Carlson and others and tech no fog

44:10

on Twitter. We knew about this stuff four

44:12

years ago. None of this is

44:14

new that the classified documents

44:16

he allegedly has were about Ukraine.

44:18

Is that surprising to anyone who

44:20

realizes Biden had a lot to hide in

44:22

Ukraine. The last question I have for you because this is

44:24

an angle. As far as

44:26

I know, of of credible guys with the following. You're the only

44:28

one I know has really covered this in

44:30

detail. There's a huge

44:32

sorrows angle to all of this. And no,

44:34

it's not

44:36

a spiracy theory, SOROS was operating in Ukraine.

44:38

He had a business rival, Dimitrile Fertash

44:40

over there. SOROS had this group

44:42

that his group was funding called AntAC.

44:46

The executive director is a woman by the name of Daria

44:48

Colonia. She's a big ad she's

44:50

on Fox even to this day, advocating for

44:54

arming Ukraine. She's working with Sclerosis Group.

44:56

Caladio is alleged to have met in

44:58

the White House. In December, I

45:00

believe, of

45:02

twenty fifteen, with the

45:04

whistleblower in the impeachment

45:06

case about the whole Ukraine thing.

45:08

In other words, like, Soros connected

45:10

people are knee deep in this whole thing to get

45:12

rid of Trump. Well,

45:14

as you rightly said, Ukraine

45:16

is a piggy bank for

45:18

Democrats nationally. And Hillary Clinton's largest

45:21

funder for her campaign was a interested

45:23

in Ukraine and the Ukrainian oligarch George show us

45:25

the largest investor in all liberal cars

45:27

as an American history.

45:30

Has got huge business interest in Ukraine wanting to move

45:32

in with natural gas and other investments, which

45:34

he announced in twenty fifteen. Of

45:37

course, doctor Biden, it gets hooked up with

45:40

the Ukrainian oligarchy, that's

45:42

the whole barisma scandal.

45:44

That was in danger of being

45:46

sposed in twenty nineteen when I did my work. And Chris Peter Schmitzer had

45:48

done some earlier work with his book. I

45:50

think the big storyline of twenty

45:52

twenty three Dan is going to

45:56

be We're going to go back now. We have new documents that we've been able

45:58

to force out of the State Department through litigation.

46:01

The testimony that key

46:03

witnesses gave in the impeachment trial were going to be

46:06

able to show what's contrived. It wasn't

46:08

true. And it's going to be remarkable

46:10

because the documents of the agencies

46:12

are gonna undercut the actual witnesses, but we were

46:14

not given an honest story during the

46:16

impeachment trial. And the question is,

46:18

why? Because if we had gotten the

46:20

honest story,

46:22

We would have followed that money all the way back to the services and

46:24

the Victor PINchets in the Zolchvsky's

46:26

who were enriching the Democratic Party

46:28

in hopes that one day

46:31

getting the favors in return when they

46:33

were in power. Pen Chuck, and

46:35

I believe that's the guy when

46:37

the the quit Clinton team was

46:39

questioned about her meetings with the pin choke. The

46:41

Clinton team docked and pretended until they

46:44

discovered that they had a dinner

46:46

or something. I believe that was the same guy. There was some Washington

46:48

examiner reporting. I I think on that specific

46:50

material. John, at a

46:52

time, Joe, we're talking to

46:54

John Solomon, just the news

46:56

dot com. It's probably, in my opinion,

46:58

we use it all the time folks. You see me citing

47:00

it, one of the best sites out there. His book

47:02

is fallout. It's couple years

47:04

old, but it's evergreen, and it's new again with

47:06

everything going on about Ukraine and Biden

47:08

and hiding these

47:08

materials. John, thanks for your time. We appreciate it.

47:10

Craig Ader to be out with Dan. Thank you. gotta play take care of of

47:12

talented folks. I my books would have not

47:15

been my books without John's work.

47:18

He's extensively footnoted in my books for that reason.

47:20

That was John Solomon. Up

47:22

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Thanks, virtual. Here's Chip Roy. He was fresh off a big win in the vote

48:48

for speaker here telling us about what went on

48:50

behind the scenes and what's the path forward

48:52

now? Path forward now that we got a more

48:54

conservative

48:55

Congress. And we got some concessions from the speakers'

48:58

office. It's a great interview. Take a

49:00

listen. It is a

49:02

great honor now and I mean that

49:05

I don't use that word loosely. To welcome back

49:08

to the show, a warrior

49:10

for the conservative cause

49:13

and liberty and freedom, a good man, one of the twenty holdouts

49:15

who got us a better congress

49:17

moving forward. A Republican congressman

49:19

from Texas Chip Roy

49:22

Congressman, thanks a lot for everything you did. It's

49:24

such a pleasure to welcome you back to the

49:26

show. Well, Dan, first

49:27

of all, thanks for all

49:29

of your great overall support and messaging throughout

49:31

this and making sure people understood

49:34

what's going

49:34

on. And and look, I think we moved

49:36

the ball forward, but thanks for everything you do.

49:40

Well, it's my absolute pleasure. It was a very

49:42

small thing I did. You guys had to

49:44

go on the record and tough it out

49:46

despite Listen,

49:48

I I never ran for I ran

49:50

in one. I ran for congress and got a flavor for

49:52

what it's like, but I never saw or dealt with

49:54

what you deal with every day.

49:56

And congressman, you know, without having to give up any of this sorted

49:58

details, I wouldn't put you on the spot, but just

50:01

let the audience in a little bit. Like,

50:03

the pressure must have been incredible. I

50:06

mean, you you got people knocking on your door constantly

50:08

from lobbyists, from committee chairs,

50:10

to influence peddlers, and everybody

50:12

wants something

50:14

from you. And it's really

50:16

difficult up on the hill to do with you

50:18

and the other twenty did, which is to

50:20

say, hey, we've got the world

50:22

us down right now, but we've got the

50:24

and the answer is no until you

50:26

guys can produce a set of rules that are gonna

50:28

give us a more conservative congress to the

50:30

pressure must have

50:32

been

50:32

incredible.

50:32

Well, let's just say I've had weeks with more sleep. We

50:34

were working pretty hard all through the

50:36

week trying to get to some conclusion that would be

50:39

good for the country wherever that

50:42

led. On the table was, of course, a different approach for the speaker,

50:44

but also on the table was getting

50:46

to the reforms necessary to make sure the

50:48

American people are protected. There no

50:52

guarantees there are no one hundred percent in all of this.

50:54

All we can do is advance the ball as far

50:56

as we can advance it and then use

50:58

those tools to fight. We did take a

51:00

lot of arrows. We took a lot of arrows from the establishment. We took a

51:03

lot of arrows from the talking heads.

51:05

We saw the

51:08

tone shift quite a bit midweek. In fact, I've never seen a harder one

51:10

hundred and eighty degree turn when people

51:12

started to see that the grass roots, and

51:14

that's the grass roots. A lot of people

51:16

across the

51:18

spectrum. Saying, you know what? These guys are down there giving speeches,

51:20

fighting for what they believe in, and they're

51:22

trying to change this place. And even if

51:24

we don't agree with them fully,

51:26

You know, God blessed that we're actually having a debate everybody in the

51:28

chamber about where we should take this

51:31

this body, this Congress, this

51:33

government, and importantly, this

51:36

country. I think we achieved some significant things, but the devil's in the details.

51:38

We gotta get a rules package passed

51:40

tonight. We're working through details literally as

51:42

I as I just got off of a

51:44

call. Meeting with people. We're

51:46

trying to continue to hash this all out. Yeah.

51:48

That's we're talking to congressman Chip

51:50

Roy, one of the good guys, one

51:53

of the brought us a more sane congress moving

51:55

forward. You know, congressman and I I think

51:58

your your tactics were efficient. You

52:00

guys knew when to take

52:02

the win. You got what you got, you got it, and you moved on. You

52:04

know, the other side, you know, again, it's

52:06

time to move on and everything, but

52:08

I'm not they really understood

52:10

that. I mean, we have people on our side of the

52:12

aisle throw in these nasty

52:14

terms at terrorist enemies. I mean,

52:16

that's absurd. You're not

52:18

convincing anyone. But explain to us the process now with the rules package.

52:20

So you've had a couple of

52:22

your colleagues on the Republican side,

52:24

not necessarily the most conservative due to

52:26

weekend show

52:28

route. Already threatening the sabotage, the rules package

52:30

you and the twenty negotiated hard for.

52:32

Are they gonna whip, you know, four or

52:34

five more together to say, no, I doubt it.

52:37

But it seems kinda weird that they were the ones saying,

52:39

oh my gosh, the minorities against

52:42

the majority here, and now they're doing the same

52:44

thing. Do you think the rules package is

52:46

gonna pass How do you see

52:48

it? Well, just meeting with the

52:50

web team. My understanding

52:52

is that we're probably gonna get there, but

52:54

you know, look, we thought we're gonna get there on the first vote on Friday

52:56

night for the speaker, and and we had to had

52:58

to have another vote. You never know for sure

53:00

until the vote plays out. But

53:02

we do believe that right now, there's only one public opposition that's Tony

53:05

Gonzalez, my my colleague from Texas. You'll

53:07

have to ask him why. But

53:09

the bottom line is right now we have no other single

53:12

person that's publicly out there and

53:14

understand this for everybody listening. The

53:16

rules package being voted

53:18

on tonight has been out there for a couple of weeks

53:20

because it was the thing that we've been working to

53:22

negotiate towards since we put out our

53:24

demands on

53:26

this December eighth where we laid out all the things that we thought were important.

53:28

The one change was, of

53:30

course, moving the motion to vacate

53:33

to single person motion to vacate.

53:35

The rest of the rules package

53:37

is the same. All of the other pieces

53:39

to this that you're that we've been talking about is

53:41

part of our overall agreement to

53:44

support the speaker was a

53:46

commitment to actually carry

53:48

out some of the things we outlined in our memo that

53:50

we believe leave actually puts an exclamation point on the

53:52

commitment to America. What is that? The

53:54

spending were strained. Going into

53:58

the debt ceiling fight in the in the spending fight next September

54:00

knowing that we should cap spending

54:02

at FY twenty twenty two levels

54:05

to pump the brakes and all of this in

54:07

inflationary garbage, funding the woke bureaucracy.

54:10

We also got the ability to have

54:12

open amendments in on the floor for appropriations to cut

54:14

spending. That is a big deal. We

54:16

haven't done that in years, and that will

54:18

fundamentally empower us to

54:20

go target bad

54:22

spending. We got improvements with a

54:24

commitment to have ideological

54:26

representation on the committees, so we'd have more

54:28

conservatives on committees. And importantly,

54:30

we got commitment to have

54:32

strong conservative slots on the powerful

54:34

rules committee to ensure that we can

54:36

throttle bad bills,

54:38

but importantly, throttle any

54:40

abuses of these rules if they try

54:42

to waive the seventy two hours. If they try to

54:44

waive single subject, if they try to

54:46

waive germaneness. We thought we could get to the right place. So a

54:49

lot of good things. And finally, oh, by the

54:51

way, the select sub committee on the

54:53

a judiciary committee, my friend Jim Jordan is

54:55

obviously the chairman of judiciary. We're

54:57

still working out the personnel on that sub committee.

54:59

We believe we've got it in a good spot

55:01

to really ramp up our our

55:04

investigations of the federal

55:05

over, you know, bureaucracy.

55:08

We're talking to congressman Chip Roy,

55:10

one of the twenty patriots who

55:12

rescued the country from a disastrous rules

55:14

package and brought us back to a more

55:16

conservative congress, congressman, the rules committee, I know

55:19

it's wonky. You're probably more in tune

55:21

to, obviously, you know, probably you are. You're up there.

55:23

You have to live with it.

55:26

But correct me if I'm wrong, why the rules committee is important? I've

55:28

been trying to do some homework on this and, you know,

55:30

being that you live with it, you understand it a

55:32

lot better than I do. I

55:34

believe there were thirteen members. Right? Obviously, seven of which would be

55:37

Republicans now. You guys wanted

55:39

three seats. So if if

55:41

you needed then, it

55:43

it am I I right? Am I get is my math right here? So

55:45

these three seats could then dictate and make

55:48

sure that the demands you guys

55:50

had were stuck to because if you're on the

55:52

rules committee, they're gonna need those

55:54

three conservative Republicans to make

55:56

sure any changes to the rules go through is if

55:58

if that's

55:58

wrong, stop me and laugh at me.

56:00

I I wanna take a personal No. You

56:02

just articulated that very well. I mean, just for the average listener out there, just

56:05

understand. Like, you have standing committees, right,

56:07

judiciary, energy, and commerce, appropriations, and

56:09

they go do their thing. It's

56:11

passed legislation after going through all the

56:14

imaginations, market up, vote on it, and then

56:16

it goes to the rules committee for us to

56:18

establish how and when it will get to

56:20

the floor. The rules committee that makes the decisions about the

56:22

structure, how the votes will

56:24

work, how many votes will be, how many

56:26

amendments, and we get it to the board in order

56:28

to execute. For

56:30

too long. The two party system has been tightening that down so

56:32

that it is less open and

56:34

it's more tightly controlled. Now look,

56:37

I'll be honest, You and I both want conservative policy

56:39

advanced. If we have really good conservative

56:42

policy and there's tighter rules on it that

56:44

allow us to get that through, you and I may

56:46

not object

56:48

touch. But at the end of the day, we need to broadly open it up.

56:50

And we wanna try to be consistent

56:52

about opening up, but not so consistent

56:54

in the sense that oh, we're

56:57

gonna unilaterally disarm while Democrats every time they're empowered to just

56:59

jam this crap through. We believe that

57:01

on the appropriation side in

57:04

particular, We should open up the ability of members to offer amendments to cut

57:06

spending and then use the rules committee

57:08

with the votes you just described, thirteen

57:10

members, nine Republicans, four Democrats,

57:14

Of the nine, if you've got three solid conservative members

57:16

on there, we could find a way to

57:18

be able to hold the line if they tried

57:20

to end run us on the waving of rules,

57:23

waiving the seventy two hours to read the bill, waving of

57:26

single subject, or even try to jam

57:28

something through that were particularly bad or

57:30

unconstitutional or broke any agreements

57:32

on

57:32

spending. That's what we're trying to

57:34

do with respect to the rules committee. Yeah.

57:36

You know, it's interesting. You would think the walkery

57:38

would bore the listeners, but it's fascinating. I

57:40

get so many Facebook messages from people who wanna

57:42

hear from you guys in the inside. Why isn't

57:45

it? Like, why is this rules committee so

57:47

important? I mean, people, you know, congress and

57:49

people have lives. They the people who build America, the, you

57:51

know, the carpenters, you know, the pilots flying people

57:53

around the mechanics, you know, time to read this crap

57:55

they did. Well, they they wanna get

57:57

to their kid's or game and fix your car and build

57:59

this place. But it's it's strange. Some of them are

58:01

really fascinating because this is the first time they've heard about

58:03

a lot of stuff.

58:05

It seemed like the it's more establishment wing was obsessed

58:08

with these rules committee seats, so I think you explained

58:10

that well. But if you could explain this

58:12

as well. Why is the amendments process

58:14

during appropriations? Something

58:16

you guys were going to the mad for?

58:18

Why is it so was

58:21

it so important to you

58:23

all? Well,

58:24

first of all, on your first point, I would note

58:26

that it was really interesting was Seaspan being

58:28

able to freely be able to show what was

58:30

going on floor because they had control of the cameras instead of the

58:32

the the house because we were operating under we

58:34

didn't have rules in place. So it was

58:38

kinda great. Everybody got to see these close-up

58:40

conversations and it was really smart to answer it. Yeah. Now, here's what's important

58:42

about that. The American people do care

58:45

about the details. We don't give the

58:47

American people enough credit. I know our education system is broken and there's all these

58:50

things. But the people who

58:52

care

58:53

care and to

58:54

know how it works is to see what's happening. It's really important. We

58:56

shook things up last week, and the

58:59

American people are glad to your

59:02

second point. With respect to, you know, what what

59:04

wait. What was your second question?

59:06

Oh, the second. It's that you

59:08

know, it's funny that happened to me last week

59:11

on the radio. I lost my train of thought and I had to just I'm like, I gotta

59:13

go to break folks. I totally forgot. You know what? I love it, but they sound honest

59:15

you are. You didn't fake it. Okay. He's like, hey, you know

59:18

what? I just you did that shit. That's what I love

59:20

about you. Ask you about the

59:22

amendments process. Appropriate to them.

59:24

Yeah.

59:24

Right. So the

59:25

approach

59:25

to amendments, the reason that's important

59:27

is this. We get a big appropriation

59:29

Bill. Let's say doing regular order and we put together an

59:32

appropriations package and put it down there, it's

59:34

defense spending. I wanna be able to

59:36

say and we want everybody to be able to

59:38

say, look, There's your

59:40

bill. It's eight hundred billion dollars of

59:42

appropriations for defense. And there's

59:44

money in there that

59:46

funds woke division x or there's

59:48

money in there for somebody's pet project

59:50

back in their district. But maybe that's

59:52

not as good as what we really

59:54

need for bombers or

59:56

bullets or, you know, you know,

59:58

training or something. So I wanna be

1:00:00

able to go in and cut it. I wanna go in and be able

1:00:02

to

1:00:02

say, wait, you've got the office of diversity and

1:00:05

blah blah blah. I'm gonna cut that. Or I wanna be able

1:00:06

to go in and say in a in a,

1:00:09

say, a homeland security bill. If

1:00:11

they've got stuff in there, that

1:00:13

is, you know, funding woke up or they may maybe they a bunch of money in

1:00:15

to be quote for, you know, enforcement,

1:00:17

but they don't let you

1:00:19

enforce the law. They just go

1:00:21

fund more bureaucrats. I wanna cut

1:00:24

that. Like, I need to have the ability to offer those

1:00:26

amendments on the floor and force

1:00:28

people to vote on whether or not they think we should cut some of this

1:00:29

garbage. And I think that's a really, really

1:00:32

important thing to try to open this place up

1:00:34

a bit. Awesome

1:00:36

explanation. Get them on the record. Get

1:00:38

them on the record. Congressmen, I got about a minute left

1:00:40

here. Do you think this is the start

1:00:42

of something special? I you know,

1:00:44

I feel something we've had in the past. It kinda fizzled out. Tea Party. We

1:00:46

got the BCA. We didn't stick to it.

1:00:49

But I feel like enough

1:00:51

voters have been burned enough that they're kind of

1:00:53

savvy to swampy talking points now and

1:00:56

they're they're ready for a more conservative

1:00:58

future

1:00:58

here. I think this is the start of something.

1:01:00

You're your take on that. Well, Dan, I feel the

1:01:02

same way, and I kind of felt it all this weekend. III

1:01:04

actually had to stay here in the swamp through the

1:01:06

weekend because we had so much we were

1:01:09

trying to do. And my family had gone home last Wednesday, and

1:01:11

I talked to them and I was getting, you know, calls from friends

1:01:14

back home. But then just people when a

1:01:16

few of us were, you know, one of

1:01:18

my colleagues and

1:01:20

I, Lauren Beaubert, were meeting and having

1:01:22

a lunch this weekend and a couple of other of my

1:01:24

colleagues at the same thing. And the number of people

1:01:26

that stopped us in

1:01:28

a restaurant you know, we're just wearing jeans of us, you know, you know, t

1:01:30

shirt or sweater or something. And they've stopped

1:01:32

us and they go, hey, thank you. Thanks

1:01:34

for standing up

1:01:36

for us. And and I'm just telling you, it's not even just in in

1:01:38

Texas, not just in small town,

1:01:40

conservatory Texas. The whole country

1:01:42

are just begging

1:01:44

for leadership. To transform

1:01:46

this institution, to speak for the

1:01:48

people, and stop doing what we've been

1:01:49

doing. It's time to take our country back to stand

1:01:52

up for America, and that's what we're gonna try

1:01:54

to do. Congressman, Chip Roy, it is really an honor to have

1:01:56

you in the show, and listen, I know

1:01:58

you've been through a lot. You're a

1:02:00

worry of man. And

1:02:02

I know the conservatives who listen to this

1:02:04

show, so deeply appreciate what you guys

1:02:06

did. I'm reading their feedback actually

1:02:08

right

1:02:08

now. So thanks for coming on. You're welcome back here anytime. Thank friend. God

1:02:10

bless you, my friend. Take care. Stay healthy.

1:02:12

Stay well. Happy New Year. Take care.

1:02:16

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