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I .

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Only on the move on the map , never slip . Keep

0:32

your hands to your lips , don't talk about it . Real

0:34

eyes , realize , realize all the time

0:36

. Stand on it . If we set it when walk around

0:38

it , lose lips . Ain't ships . Red cup

0:40

, blue strips , new phone , who this ? No , we

0:43

don't allow it . Really , on , go . I

0:45

don't know what's the off day now we on

0:47

roll . Keep on smoking in the hallway . Now we

0:49

got shows . Boys falling like Broadway

0:51

. Always look both ways , even on the crossway

0:53

Driving down cross bay . Our town park

0:56

legs really on . Big teams came up a

0:58

small way . Championship rings . Baby , that's

1:00

a ball game . Oh , she won a little bag . Maybe

1:02

that's small change . Yeah

1:04

, that money talk . If we ain't cool , then cut

1:06

me off . No breaking news . Don't run your mouth

1:08

. Thought it was the plug . Now he running off . What

1:13

you gonna do ? Where you at who you way ? You

1:15

ain't really bout this . Don't talk about it . Really

1:18

. On the move on the map . Never slip . Keep your

1:20

hands to your lips , don't talk about it

1:22

. Real eyes , realize , realize .

1:29

Me . Everything good . What's popping

1:31

? Everybody , welcome into the Dan Leveley show

1:34

. Thank you for clicking that play button and thank you for

1:36

watching live . All you live people out there . Leave

1:38

a comment in the , in the description

1:40

below or in the live stream and we'll

1:42

pop it up on the screen , make you part of

1:44

the show . But today we do have a special guest . Oh

1:47

, we do have the second system

1:49

from Saginaw , michigan , coming in . We

1:52

have troll and Derek coming

1:54

in to promote their band and

1:57

some shows . They got coming up and

1:59

I would like to introduce

2:02

them . But when the when the people send

2:04

you a pretty much a promo

2:06

video that does your job for you

2:08

, you , even you , must do that

2:10

. So here you go , enjoy this video real

2:12

quick .

2:18

I'm Don and we are the second system

2:20

.

2:27

The second system , it's somewhere to go when

2:29

nobody else wants you . We were all a group of outcast

2:31

that don't fit anywhere else , but here you

2:34

got somebody that's always left out , people

2:36

who were ostracized , and so what I wanted

2:38

to create was somewhere when people who didn't

2:40

fit in anywhere had somewhere to go . We

2:45

got together , just started writing music together

2:47

things just happened from there .

2:49

Magic . I'm Don . I'm the one-armed

2:51

guitarist . I

2:53

have a left-handed guitar , but I flip the

2:55

strings upside down because that's how I play .

2:57

This guy walks up to me like hey man

2:59

, I hear you guys looking for a guitar player and

3:01

I was like look down at his arm and see

3:04

me like missing some shit . I'm like why

3:06

do you know one ?

3:08

My mother used to work for a dentist office . Did a

3:10

lot of x-rays , of that radiation , actually

3:13

stopped the growth of my arm ?

3:14

This dude called me every day for

3:16

two weeks going when are you guys practicing

3:18

? When are you guys practicing ? Then , finally , one day I was like

3:21

you know what ? Okay , let's

3:23

bring him out and actually see if

3:25

you can jam .

3:34

So yeah , this is my job . It

3:36

sucks .

3:40

Here I am pulling off that chicken

3:42

within . At night the lights come up

3:44

screaming my name .

3:48

That's the built-up . Every day tension

3:51

, every day problems and release .

3:57

Before and after I get on stage , I'm a nervous wreck

3:59

. Hearing that there was 2,000

4:01

people Filling the state theater

4:03

was enough to make me want to be sure that

4:05

link .

4:09

Well , you should link .

4:11

The one that I sent to you . Any

4:14

place we play , make sure you got a bucket

4:16

for me . If we had a million dollars , we could do

4:18

it be able to record all our CDs

4:20

and have them sound as professional as the big

4:23

boys . I would buy just

4:25

about all of these we would give you the

4:27

best .

4:29

There's no such thing as working 200 .

4:30

We're professional . We got to step it up a notch man

4:32

. Things got to be on the deal most

4:35

in our ass , until we drive

4:37

ourselves into the ground when you're down you just keep trying

4:39

.

4:40

I'm still laid on my rent and all

4:42

that kind of shit we don't even have a vehicle

4:44

large enough to actually transport our

4:46

gear . This guy has lost his house . This guy's about

4:48

to lose his house . This guy lost his job

4:50

.

4:50

If we make this happen , then we won't have to worry

4:52

about it . Second

4:55

system is somewhere where you can have something that you can

4:57

do . This about total freedom , your life

4:59

baby Well

5:04

.

5:13

Ladies and gentlemen , second system

5:15

we got troll and Derek in in the house . You

5:18

like how we just bring it up guys , right , this is a

5:21

video . Like it , right this is

5:23

a video right , all the guys are on

5:25

the screen . It's like magic .

5:29

Well , I

5:31

want to start off by saying I don't cut

5:33

fat off chicken . No moat , at least not

5:35

less , is my own kitchen . It's

5:38

thanks , no , no , no , I'm glad that there

5:40

are people that still do it . I'm still glad that

5:42

there are still people that do it . Don't get me wrong

5:44

, but man

5:46

, I remember that job . I

5:48

hadn't thought about that job , and so it's

5:51

so long .

5:54

And uh , yeah , like seeing that video .

5:55

All of a sudden it's like , oh yeah , Fucking

5:58

that job's .

6:02

It was dumb .

6:05

That whole time period was uh trivial

6:07

. Yeah but

6:09

uh , but it was , but it was , it was , it was

6:11

good , it was our heyday and uh , we

6:13

were doing a lot of things and we were younger

6:15

and uh , the world was at

6:17

our feet . You know , it seemed like uh , so

6:20

we were , we were given a lot of opportunities that we

6:22

didn't expect and , uh , we

6:24

were lucky in a lot of ways and a lot of ways we

6:26

, we worked hard for it and earned it , you know .

6:29

Yeah , exactly for real , but

6:32

yeah , but before we get into all this , everything

6:34

, um , go ahead and introduce

6:36

yourself to the people out there who don't know who you are . Let's

6:39

start . Start with the guy on the top left , my

6:42

top left , all right . All right , I don't

6:44

know .

6:44

I'm troll . Hi , hi everybody

6:46

, I'm troll . Um , I'm the , the vocalist

6:49

. I wouldn't call myself

6:51

a singer . I like I used to

6:53

say I can't carry a tune with a wheelbarrow

6:55

, but uh , but

6:58

, uh , I'll jump around and and entertain

7:01

. I'm an entertainer or , uh

7:03

, a mascot . You know

7:06

, I'm the screamer . Uh , I do

7:08

the , the hard vocals for

7:10

it when we have Pat Brennan who

7:12

comes in with a much clearer , prettier

7:15

sound there okay

7:18

.

7:20

More traditional singing . Let's the troll's

7:22

selling himself short there . You know he's uh , he's

7:24

got vocal talents that you know other people

7:26

don't have . You know Local talents come

7:29

in in different forms and stuff

7:31

and that guy can do some things that

7:33

you know other people can't do . So you

7:36

know , nice , try being humble there , but you

7:38

know Anybody

7:43

who's knows that he can carry his own weight

7:45

.

7:46

Right , yeah , this is not the place to be humble guys

7:48

.

7:52

Well , my

7:55

mom was , uh , I mean mama , mama raised

7:58

us , right , you know you , you gotta , you

8:01

gotta remember where you come from , especially watching that video

8:03

like that . You know , like we just got man

8:07

, that's a nice little dose of reality

8:09

and a reality check of how far we've come Since then , and

8:11

it is a good slice of humble pie and

8:16

, man , I gotta say it tastes delicious

8:18

. Being a farther up

8:20

that hill then that it was Back then , so that's

8:23

all I'm saying . But anyway , who the hell are

8:25

you ? down there at the bottom screen .

8:30

Oh , I don't

8:32

even know anymore of these days . You know , ladies

8:34

?

8:34

and gentlemen , please stand by and

8:36

let me introduce Derek

8:40

, founding

8:44

member of second system , I'm glad to say

8:46

, because I know he's gonna sit there and do the whole soul

8:48

. Same humble pie thing . You

8:50

guys that don't know , we are brothers . This

8:53

is my older brother . He

8:56

was the first guy to go . You know what man

8:58

I think I want to start a band . Let me go

9:00

find some folks . And that's

9:02

how second system started Was

9:05

from him going Shit . I

9:07

just got out of the woods in North Carolina . Look

9:09

at all these pretty lights here in michigan

9:11

. Man , I'm gonna go make me some

9:14

sounds , and

9:17

that's pretty much where that's

9:20

. That's how second system was born

9:22

, let's all be honest . And he went and found

9:24

the biggest Hodgepodge

9:26

, a fucking , a collective

9:28

mother fuckers that he could , and

9:31

put them all together in a blender and it just kind of

9:33

worked Nice

9:35

. Nice there you go .

9:37

Francis , francis , tuning in from Ghana

9:40

, thank you .

9:41

Thank you for tuning in all the way from Africa

9:43

, right , hi Francis . Thanks

9:45

for tuning in .

9:47

Yep , see , we get . We get people

9:49

from all All around the world around

9:51

here . Like you never , you never know who's gonna watch . It's

9:53

great . But

10:00

I , to go back to that video , I

10:02

like , I I do like watching Um

10:05

to come up , as people would

10:07

like to call it , like people don't realize

10:09

that there's a whole different side to

10:11

someone . Besides

10:14

, before they were , you know , before

10:17

they were famous , or before they were making records

10:19

, or before everyone knew who the fuck they were . Like

10:21

what ? I like that . I like that part . Where

10:23

were you guys just tuned in ? You

10:26

? You brought the camera into your job

10:28

. You're like this is what I do for and

10:31

that was .

10:32

That was a lot of fun because , um , so

10:35

that whole thing was , um

10:37

, a tv show that

10:39

they were trying to do , basically like an american

10:41

idol , so version kind

10:44

of thing . You know , like american idol was getting

10:46

big . These , uh , other tv shows were

10:48

starting to come out right then . So

10:50

this company out of canada called

10:52

bow dog , um , which was mostly

10:54

into online gambling , they're

10:57

like , well , let's make another investment , let's go

10:59

fund this tv show . And they

11:01

had , like , the producer from one of the bernie

11:03

max series , um , he was

11:05

the , the , the stage producer

11:07

. Once we got to that level , because there were a bunch

11:09

of different levels of man

11:12

, they had cameras and at our

11:14

shows , for what ? Derrick , three months , yeah

11:17

, three months you gotta give or take

11:19

work . Once we got involved and once we reached a

11:21

certain level in this uh

11:24

show , we had to

11:26

sign contracts that

11:28

took hours of sitting around

11:30

and reading and we we didn't understand this jargon

11:32

. So we got a hold of a good friend of ours shanwally

11:35

, um named her up there Thanks

11:38

to a lot of things that guy's done for

11:40

us , but anyway he sat there for like

11:42

what , derrick , six hours .

11:45

Uh , I'll make something like that a good , good

11:47

, good , good part of that

11:49

for somewhere between four and six . You

11:52

know , we all said that you're like a group

11:54

pow wow in my house at the time and

11:56

, uh , we all just sat there and peeled through a

11:59

contract it was this thick , you

12:02

know , of just making sure we knew what

12:04

we were getting into and stuff and one

12:06

of the only things that we really didn't like

12:08

was anything that we played

12:10

On the show now

12:12

belong to them . So we

12:15

had to . We made the conscious

12:17

decision to alter Certain

12:19

songs that we played during this televised

12:22

part of the competition so that

12:24

we still retained the rights to

12:26

our original music as it was

12:28

and not the versions that they

12:30

got while we played live . And

12:33

uh , like like troll was saying they were

12:35

trying to do like an american idol thing . So we

12:37

did this with , uh , johnny rotten

12:39

sitting in the simon cowl

12:41

scare , you know

12:44

, okay , and so , and uh , the guitar

12:46

player from the cult was there too

12:48

. Do you think it was billy , something

12:50

billy ? And then a canadian

12:53

pop rock star named biff , naked .

12:56

Um , okay .

12:57

So that broke the shake , yeah , and

12:59

it was . It was really cool because , uh , when the cameras

13:01

were off and everybody was all cool

13:03

and just being like , you know , we're all a bunch

13:05

of musicians and this thing doing a gig , right

13:07

, we're all just kind of talking like that . And

13:10

then , as soon as cameras come on , you start seeing

13:12

these personas come out of these people that

13:14

you , that you read about . You

13:16

know , johnny rotten , off camera , is

13:19

just as cool as you or I

13:21

and troll sitting here talking , but

13:23

as soon as the cameras come on , all of a sudden

13:25

he becomes a dick . He's

13:27

a british dick and it's uh , yeah

13:29

, yeah and it's like wow , hold up , that

13:31

there

13:33

was just talking to us over there .

13:35

You know , that's that character

13:37

he plays and he

13:39

plays that character well you know , right

13:42

, it was . It was a good experience . I

13:44

, I , I side know I've

13:47

heard rumor that . Uh , I

13:49

don't . I haven't checked into the validity of this

13:51

d either . One of you know the truth is

13:53

Uh , larry the cable guy

13:55

, is he one of those people ? Is

14:00

the whole thing that he does on stage completely

14:02

fucking , you know ? Like just a character he

14:04

fucking plays probably ?

14:06

yeah , for sure it's , that's for sure

14:08

persona . Every

14:13

fucking day no , no .

14:14

No , I don't mean all right . I completely

14:16

know that he takes it to an extreme

14:19

, but I get the feeling that the motherfucker

14:21

doesn't even have a country accent no

14:23

, I'm pretty sure he doesn't if he does

14:25

, it's nowhere near that thick right

14:30

.

14:31

I know he's from down south , but I don't think

14:33

he's from like down south

14:35

where like Jeff Foxworthy is from

14:37

, and yeah .

14:40

I see , when Jeff Foxworthy was gaining popularity

14:42

, I was a teenager in North Carolina

14:44

and everybody was listening to his cassette tapes , you

14:47

know . And back then , before he

14:49

had , before he was famous and everything , they

14:51

were passing around mix tapes of

14:53

him performing and

14:55

stuff and yeah , he was

14:58

definitely the truest redneck

15:00

of the whole blue collar comedy team

15:02

. You know what he were . We're raised in North

15:04

Carolina , samson County , north Carolina

15:06

. Shut out anybody down there

15:09

that's tuning in . But

15:11

uh , yeah , that's where we came from . So it was same

15:15

town as Earl Strickland , the world

15:17

one time world nine ball

15:19

champion . So we got to meet

15:21

a bunch of different kinds of people down there coming

15:24

and going in small ass town but

15:26

everybody wanted to go somewhere else bigger and

15:28

do something different , and

15:31

everybody got their chance in one way or another

15:33

, or they didn't , you know .

15:35

So so

15:37

what ? So how did the second system

15:39

become the second system

15:41

? Like who ? Who thought

15:43

this out ? Who got the people together and

15:46

how ? And what came up with the idea

15:48

you just decided .

15:49

I'm just . I'm in one of

15:51

the I guess , uh , last

15:54

members of it , um , probably

15:56

the first , uh . I'm

15:58

the first second generation

16:01

of second system because there

16:03

have been many members replaced um

16:07

, but the core members were four

16:09

people and I'm gonna let Derek take that

16:11

over . Um . They ended up adding

16:13

uh , another

16:16

later on adding another screamer

16:18

guy , um

16:21

, and it didn't work out

16:23

there , so they ended up . I

16:25

showed up at a practice one day visiting

16:28

um , and the

16:30

drummer at the time is like man , you

16:33

should let your little brothers get on a microphone and sing

16:35

and as a joke , they did , and it did

16:37

a half ass version of a song and

16:39

it was a local by a coal chamber that

16:41

they're like the rest of the guys . Like you

16:43

should let him do it . For now on , you

16:46

should let Derek's reluctance go . Fuck man , I don't

16:48

want my little brother and stuff to cool that I'm doing

16:50

. Ah , damn it . All right

16:52

, fine , but I'll let Derek

16:54

explain to you the birth of second system

16:56

, where it started and how they became well

17:00

, um , I was , uh , when I was growing up

17:02

in North Carolina .

17:03

I always had a couple of riffs that I always

17:05

was tooling around with songs

17:08

with , and then ended up moving to

17:10

Florida and carrying and trying

17:12

to do something there , left Jacksonville

17:14

and moved up to Saginaw to

17:16

be around some family . And , uh , when

17:19

I was walking around Saginaw I ran

17:21

across this bar called Wise Guys and they always had

17:23

open mic night on Wednesday nights

17:25

and uh , technically

17:28

it worked let's get in there until you were 21

17:30

. But I started sneaking in the back door and

17:32

watching the band's play and getting to know

17:34

some of the musicians . And I ran across

17:36

this band called Holding Seven Down and

17:39

uh , matt Patrick Brennan , and uh

17:41

, I was like hey man , you know , when we jumped on

17:43

stage we played a couple songs together . You

17:46

know everybody was just doing covers

17:48

back then just to jam with each other

17:50

on open mic , you know , for no reason

17:52

. And uh , and I was like hey man , you

17:54

know , are you interested in doing a different , another

17:56

band , you know , or at least pointing me in the right

17:59

direction to find some guys ? And he's like

18:01

, well , my band's fixin' to break up , we just played our last

18:03

show , so what do you want to do ? So

18:06

me and him met up a couple of times . We talked about

18:08

some things , we tossed around some ideas

18:10

and stuff and what kind of direction

18:12

we wanted to go and , more

18:14

than anything , we wanted to provide

18:17

a positive light through

18:20

our music , without trying

18:22

too hard , you know , just being as

18:24

natural as we could be . And the

18:26

only way to really do

18:28

that is accept ourselves , accept

18:31

everybody else for how they come out of

18:33

the box , you know what I mean and then and

18:35

find a way to uh

18:37

to groove around that and

18:39

things like that . So we started trying

18:42

jamming with different musicians

18:44

and trying to see how it fell naturally

18:47

together and I met Jack Masters

18:49

, our original drummer , and uh

18:51

introduced him to Pat and

18:54

the two of them completely clashed

18:56

on creative and

18:58

um personality styles

19:00

but somehow found

19:03

a common groove with

19:05

uh , with me as a middle man I guess

19:07

. And then we found we brought

19:09

in Pat's old bass

19:11

player from Holding Something Down , jeff

19:14

Shaw .

19:15

Jack was a lot more raw , like

19:17

a more pantera iron maiden

19:19

feel , and then you've got

19:21

Pat . Or

19:23

yeah , jack was more , uh , iron

19:26

maiden , pantera feel where you . Then

19:28

you've got Pat Brennan walking in here with this real

19:31

flamboyant makeup on and

19:33

you can't really tell if he wants

19:35

to be a transvestite , if he's gay

19:37

. But the motherfucker pulls more women

19:39

than I don't know . George

19:42

Clooney , you know what I mean he's got

19:44

that Prince thing going on yeah , yeah

19:46

, exactly , it's very reminiscent

19:48

of a Prince vibe . Prince

19:51

David , that's what it means when he says there's

19:53

a clash there . And you know like

19:55

it's like whoa , you wouldn't imagine these

19:57

two dudes sitting or sitting beside

19:59

each other to party , much less show up at

20:01

the party together . But right

20:03

, I'd be enough , they really did . You know , there

20:06

was a um , I

20:09

would say magic there's with

20:11

with a lot of members in the second

20:13

system . It's almost comparable to

20:15

the energy of each one of those people

20:18

in the wizardry

20:20

, the . The magic that they

20:22

were able to produce is

20:24

what's been able to make that second system

20:26

sound . So that's

20:29

why it's seemed like a hodge podge

20:31

of people , because

20:33

it's oddly been people

20:35

that you wouldn't imagine would get along

20:37

. You know , like most of the time it's like oh

20:40

, we gotta ban the sounds like this . Well , they all kind

20:42

of listen to the same kind of music . Well

20:44

, no , and second system , it's

20:46

more like they're all kind

20:48

of different from each other when you sit

20:50

there and really look at them . But I don't

20:53

know I just some reason just kind of made

20:55

it work .

20:56

I believe I think with the

20:59

way that I tried to approach things

21:01

was I always tried to make sure the

21:04

members in the band when it came to writing

21:06

and performing and stuff like that and

21:09

brought out their best and

21:11

also wanted

21:14

to bring out their best . You know I didn't want anybody

21:16

to feel forced although everybody was

21:18

open minded .

21:20

Every person that has been in second system

21:22

, I will say , is

21:25

an open minded person and willing to

21:27

accept and and change

21:30

, either tweak

21:32

themselves a little bit or

21:34

, you know

21:36

, I really get into that .

21:39

I wouldn't say necessarily change , but evolve

21:41

. They evolved

21:43

and grew together in ways

21:45

they didn't think possible . So they found

21:48

parts of themselves that

21:50

was able to write music

21:52

and perform in a way that brought

21:54

out their true selves , and

21:57

I think it made the music a little bit

21:59

more genuine than your

22:02

typical band that would come out and try to be pretentious

22:04

or try to sound like this

22:06

band , or you know what I mean . We didn't have a goal

22:09

. Art wasn't the goal . It

22:11

just turned out to be that way , you know so

22:19

, yeah , we had a lot of magic that happened from

22:21

what we ended up calling happy accidents . You

22:24

know so we always , at

22:27

one point we tuned in and said you know what ? It's

22:29

the universe giving us a gift and

22:31

we got to be grateful for it and take it as it is

22:33

and not try to control

22:35

it or change it too much . And we start doing

22:38

that . You start getting stressed out , you

22:40

start , you know , having issues

22:42

and this came along .

22:43

I agree there's some of our

22:46

best songs that are even my favorite

22:48

songs , cause I mean , every band plays . You know

22:50

, you play certain songs so much you fucking get sick

22:52

of them . But there are certain songs that I

22:54

still , when we're able to play it , it feels

22:56

so like they sound so good

22:59

and there's so much fun to fucking

23:01

play and it hits man

23:03

. That shit hits bro . Are all the songs

23:05

that we just showed up . Everybody

23:08

plugs in , somebody just starts

23:10

playing something and somebody else just kind of felt

23:13

that vibe and they just you know , it wasn't

23:15

something that was planned , it was something

23:17

that just fucking happened . It's almost like

23:19

making soup . Everybody showed up

23:21

that day and had a particular ingredient that

23:23

they threw into the pot and that shit mixed up

23:25

and it was just like when we got done doing it was

23:27

like we got breathed and you look at each other

23:29

like man , that was good

23:32

. It's like good sex or something

23:34

that just kind of came out of nowhere . It was spontaneous

23:36

. It was like , okay , let's try

23:38

to , let's do that again but we're gonna film

23:40

it yeah , and

23:44

those songs are .

23:46

I feel like those songs I feel are

23:48

my favorite songs and some of the fans

23:50

favorite songs like

23:55

I know , I know both you

23:57

guys personally and it seems like because

23:59

, like , as like

24:01

in an everyday life , trolls

24:04

pretty laid back . Derek , you're the same way . You

24:06

guys are pretty laid back , you know , and just

24:08

normal people . But when you guys get on

24:10

stage is like something just like over

24:12

, just like Dr Jack will , mr

24:14

Hyde is just like you

24:16

know , and then you guys just like

24:18

become different people . I'm just like you guys , fucking rock

24:20

. But yeah , it's like I like

24:22

the transformation from normal

24:24

person to rock out

24:26

and rip your heart out , type shit

24:29

, you know thanks , dude

24:31

.

24:31

Yeah , it definitely

24:34

is something that happens there . Once that

24:36

song starts and

24:40

it becomes a feeling that does

24:42

take over the performance

24:45

, comes out of whatever

24:47

emotion it really does invoke in

24:49

me at least me personally and

24:51

I feel like I can say that that's a

24:54

lot . To do the same with each one of the other members

24:56

of this band is that that

24:58

particular song invokes a particular

25:01

emotion and or response

25:03

. Almost like you

25:05

know any other animal in the animal

25:07

kingdom , you know that they are

25:10

presented with a situation or

25:12

sound and it provokes

25:14

a particular response . And

25:16

whenever those songs were created

25:18

, for some reason that energy

25:21

was captured and bottled

25:24

into that song , almost like

25:26

in a timeless energy to

25:28

where later on , when

25:31

we're doing whatever

25:33

, like show up half ass asleep

25:35

, drunk , hungover , or

25:38

, you know , just not feeling

25:40

a headache , but that song will start and

25:42

as long as everybody's playing their part

25:44

and it plays the right way . It's

25:47

almost like riding a bike or just a natural

25:49

response to do

25:51

that , to have those emotions

25:54

just pour out . The . You know the

25:56

the almost dancing , if you will

25:58

, not even a dancer , whatever . It's just

26:00

whatever it's got them , it just I'm

26:03

just by the . I

26:05

feel it . Hallelujah

26:07

. You know , almost . You know , it's

26:09

almost like me and Derek were raised

26:11

Pentecostal . For a while we were

26:14

in a Pentecostal church and

26:16

I did everything I could to get invoked

26:18

by the spirit . I watch these people get

26:20

invoked by the spirit and start speaking

26:22

in tongues and they can't control themselves and

26:24

they just start running and running around a

26:27

place . For me , I get

26:29

that feeling when I'm playing

26:31

that music with this particular

26:33

band and only in that moment

26:35

I did have a good

26:38

project

26:42

, I had a good substitute

26:45

. If you will , I hate to say that hurt

26:47

real hard because , all for the cause

26:49

, another band that I did did

26:52

in our own rights . We , we

26:54

fucking kicked ass me and those three other

26:56

dudes . Those three dudes are badass and

26:58

we had a fucking dope ass thing going on there

27:00

. But the feeling the

27:02

second system has , that

27:04

emotion like we could be in a goddamn

27:07

fist fight knock down , drag out . I fucking

27:09

don't give a shit about you . Put

27:11

that shit at the door , show up at the show

27:14

, get on stage , play those songs and

27:16

it's just yeah

27:19

, you know , and it In

27:23

that moment of those , however long

27:25

that song takes , all

27:27

that shit doesn't matter , because

27:29

that energy that we for some reason

27:31

bottled up into that song when we wrote

27:34

it is able to just come out of

27:36

us , and by coming out of us I

27:39

feel like it's infectious to other people .

27:43

I .

27:44

Feel like what troll is touching on and talking

27:46

about . Is that natural ? You got

27:48

to kind of let it take over . You know

27:50

most bands or some band . We've

27:52

both had the fortunate Opportunities

27:55

to play with other musicians and other bands

27:58

and see how other things operate

28:00

and also be in control

28:02

of those bands . I mean trolls talking about all for

28:04

the cause . He got the chance to be

28:06

the leader

28:08

of his band and again control the

28:12

certain aspects that he wanted to and

28:14

learn his way and Understand

28:16

certain things and I

28:19

was . I've also been in other bands and the

28:21

most successful Songs

28:23

and performances are when I'm playing

28:25

with musicians and people who are

28:27

able to just Release their

28:30

control to the universe and just

28:32

kind of let it Run you

28:34

. You know what I mean . Yeah , you know autopilot

28:37

. It feels like autopilot

28:39

.

28:40

It's like you don't even have control .

28:42

You got to find a balance , though . If you let it

28:45

release too much , you're not in control

28:47

of anything , and then you know you're sloppy

28:49

. So you got to make sure you're responsible

28:51

and do your part , but then let the universe

28:53

handle the rest of it . And I tell you what

28:55

man , that kind of magic comes from the earth

28:57

, the natural vibration , and

28:59

we just we just said to science that

29:02

we as humans haven't even tapped into yet

29:04

. You know .

29:07

So mushrooms will definitely enhance that Couple

29:11

of mushroom trips that we have had . Look

29:13

, we took some mushrooms and did a show

29:15

one time . There was what three

29:17

of us that did those fucking mushrooms that

29:19

had those perfect little red

29:21

. I never seen these things , man . They look like

29:24

something from Super Mario Brothers . And

29:26

one of the rappers that we were doing

29:29

the show with at James Town Hall oh man

29:32

, they're just perfect red caps

29:34

with these little white spots on them and

29:36

it made me go . I don't know , man

29:39

, that looks like a fucking something out of a fucking

29:41

you know a National

29:43

Geographic magazine . I don't know if we're supposed

29:45

to eat those because they don't look nothing like the

29:47

other mushrooms I've ever taken before to get high

29:49

. You know , it's a rich that

29:51

level . But , man , we took those

29:53

things and I feel like that performance

29:56

Was one of my favorite

29:58

, if not one of the best

30:00

, energy push

30:03

fucking performances We've

30:05

ever had . It was on a Halloween

30:07

, the . We blew the power out

30:09

right there in the middle of first

30:11

song , still pulled it Like

30:13

, damn near had a riot on our hand because

30:15

there's like what almost a hundred

30:17

kids pecked into this fucking room

30:20

, you know .

30:22

I don't anybody , right ?

30:25

Yeah , yeah , there was more people than that , but

30:27

there was . That's a minute . You know this

30:29

. This room is a small church for

30:32

anybody . It's never been there like a small one

30:34

old school , one room , church , and and

30:37

it was just the

30:39

energy in that broom that night

30:41

was just amazing . So , yes , mushrooms

30:44

on stage who ? I took

30:46

some mushrooms one time when I was playing with

30:48

sport too , and that was a really dope

30:50

ass show . I fucking ended

30:52

the show with my pants around my ankles , jumping

30:54

around the motherfucking place .

31:01

Oh boy , but

31:03

it's almost like . It's like a like Lenny

31:05

Kravitz when he took LSD , when he was playing

31:07

music . It's like when he took out , when

31:10

he like had like five hits .

31:15

Jimi . Hendrix , you said Lenny Kravitz Jimmy

31:17

.

31:18

Lenny Kravitz , jimmy Hendrix , not

31:21

Lenny .

31:21

Kravitz .

31:22

I doubt he took Aston ever maybe . But

31:25

yeah , he would just like , he'd like put

31:28

like acid , like five strips of acid

31:30

in under his headband and just Going out

31:32

and just play , you

31:34

know , and some of those recordings

31:36

.

31:36

You could see it . You could see that emotion

31:38

, that feeling . He was fucking , he

31:42

was in that place .

31:44

Well , jimmy Hendrix , I think , was

31:46

part alien , you know

31:48

that's . I mean , I have this whole

31:50

that

31:53

. I've been going on . You know well , troll

31:55

and I are Native Americans and we've been

31:57

. I've been discovering these , these

31:59

old or

32:01

these theories , these new theories that are tying

32:03

in some of the old traditional

32:06

stories and stuff into and

32:08

extraterrestrial beings and how they're

32:10

finding a link , you know , with other . Religions

32:15

and things like that and I

32:17

really believe that there are some people who are

32:19

on this earth that

32:22

that are actual hybrids

32:24

of you know , extraterrestrial

32:28

beings not not to the degree that we

32:30

think of as aliens , with little gray people with

32:33

you know , I mean , but I mean the

32:35

maybe they were .

32:37

Maybe , maybe they fucking are a little gray

32:39

people .

32:40

Well , maybe they are , but maybe they're not . Maybe they're

32:42

, you know , like the angels that

32:44

everybody talks about , you know , coming in fiery

32:46

flames of Stuff . You know they could be

32:48

discussing a Flying

32:51

or describing a flying UFO

32:53

. Based off of what these old folks were

32:55

, these older , what

32:59

societies back in the day

33:01

, you know , old centuries ago we're trying

33:03

to describe , you know , and then we got these hybrid

33:06

people , jimmy

33:08

Hendricks . His fingers were extremely

33:10

long and the guy played in

33:12

a way that no human at that

33:14

time had experienced . You know

33:17

, lenny , let me let me killmeister

33:19

, the singer-based player from Motorhead

33:21

. You know the guy that people say is God

33:23

right ? This guy used

33:25

to Be a roadie for

33:27

Jimmy Hendricks and was a guitar player . And

33:30

somebody asked him did you learn anything

33:32

about guitar playing from Jimmy Hendricks

33:34

While you were his roadie ? And he said , yeah

33:36

, I learned that I should switch to bass

33:38

and

33:42

he did and he became a mean

33:44

let me killmeister . You know who

33:47

he is and legacy separate

33:50

from that in his way , in his own way . But there

33:52

were people who knew Jimmy

33:54

and other people in history like that and

33:56

they were like , listen , man , that

33:59

individual has something that

34:01

nobody else has and

34:03

I don't know how they got it , but I wish I

34:05

had it . But All

34:08

we can do is try , you know , and that's , that's

34:10

that's . I think there are some people that

34:12

are just naturally gifted in ways

34:14

that the rest of us have to work

34:16

hard for , and Hendricks now I don't know

34:19

man , I

34:23

could get lost on the whole alien thing .

34:25

Don't , don't , let me yeah , we

34:28

we might have to have you on our , on our new

34:31

podcast . That's . That's about the drop . I'm

34:33

gonna , I'm gonna drop , I'm gonna drop an ad real

34:35

quick .

34:36

Oh .

34:37

About the drop called Illuminati ice cream .

34:42

Hey , right

34:44

, there you're . You're hitting

34:46

the fucking head on the nail on the head

34:48

with the fucking second system .

34:50

What , what we're yeah yeah , the

34:52

power is three man . The third eye , it's

34:54

just , it's all right here , it's in our bodies , we

34:56

all have it . We just got to find a way to tap

34:59

into it . And that's what we try to do is

35:01

teach people to learn enough about themselves

35:03

to where they're accepting themselves as

35:05

they come , so they could discover who they

35:07

could grow to be , their full Potential

35:10

as a human being . That's locked inside

35:12

. You know , they're pineal gland , you know that's

35:14

deep inside the brain . You know that's

35:16

. That's our communication to the

35:19

, the universe , and we don't realize it yet . We

35:21

haven't just nobody's discovered that

35:23

science yet , because it's not the science

35:25

you can measure and weigh and write down

35:28

, like you know Gravity , you

35:30

know what I'm saying is just , there's a whole realm

35:32

out there of functioning

35:35

Stuff

35:37

that runs this universe . We don't understand

35:39

yet , but it makes the magic happen , you

35:42

know . And everybody says where does this little source

35:44

of life come from ? You can't touch it , it's

35:46

, that's there . It's just there , it's just

35:48

everywhere , it's , it's it , we're all part

35:50

of it . Man , that's , it's , that's a

35:52

name , it and and try to , you

35:55

know , categorize it the way everybody

35:57

does . It's just , it's futile man , just

36:00

accept it as it is , accept you as you

36:02

are and and elevate in

36:04

the way You're supposed to naturally grow . The

36:06

more you control try to control

36:08

how you were supposed to grow as an individual

36:11

, the less you're gonna pull yourself

36:13

away from where you're supposed to be your

36:15

full potential as an individual . You

36:21

know you got to find a balance between giving

36:24

yourself up to

36:26

the universe and letting it just be .

36:30

Yeah , it's like . That's why Nikola Tesla

36:33

is like one of my heroes . Oh

36:35

man I just got discovered wireless

36:38

electricity , like in

36:40

the night , in like 1920 , and

36:42

we still haven't figured it out how to do it yet . I

36:45

mean , this guy discovered and invented

36:47

over 700 . He has

36:49

over 700 US patents before

36:51

his death and we died when

36:54

he died of a massive heart

36:56

attack , the CIA and FBI

36:58

came right in all his shit

37:00

and Brings . But so

37:03

I'm just saying there's some stuff out

37:05

there the government knows

37:07

about Brings , but we're gonna get into

37:09

that . On the other podcast that's

37:14

where .

37:14

That's where it actually belongs . But a lot

37:16

of our music type tries tried

37:18

to tie into a lot of that stuff

37:20

. And what I've discovered by

37:23

going back and listening to some of our old recordings

37:25

and stuff , our old music

37:27

, our old lyrics we were accidentally

37:30

falling on

37:32

a Lot of the stuff

37:34

that we're just now realizing as

37:37

as adults , that I was like

37:39

wow , wait , we were really onto something

37:41

and we were talking about something that's completely

37:44

relevant , whether we realized it or

37:46

not . You know the you start pairing

37:48

up the lyrics between Pat

37:50

and troll and the way they were . If you read

37:52

them , just by themselves , just Pat stuff

37:55

you're like that I don't know if that makes sense . And

37:57

the stuff by just troll by himself

37:59

, it don't make sense . But you put that stuff together and

38:01

start thinking about how it relates

38:03

to your life and you know

38:05

how things are . You start going , wow

38:07

, those two made sense together

38:10

, whether they realized it or not . It was

38:12

like a happy accident that I'm only

38:14

now discovering . That's how

38:16

we wrote relevant , and I'm

38:18

sure the same is true for troll .

38:20

Yeah , that's how we wrote the song just stops

38:23

Like it literally

38:25

is exactly what he just

38:27

spit it out on the paper and then went back and

38:29

looked at it .

38:29

I was like , wow , that's fucking brilliant .

38:37

Yeah , we do have a video from

38:39

live performance that you guys did . You

38:42

guys want to like bring us into the intro

38:45

on that , like , like

38:47

, where ? Are we guys playing at for here oh

38:49

. I think , I think

38:52

the one if you got the red room , yeah

38:55

, the red room .

38:56

Yeah , the red room open it up for saliva

38:58

, oh that drummer .

39:00

Yeah , yeah , yeah .

39:02

Yeah , that drummer is Tyler Johnson . He's

39:05

not with us anymore , but well

39:07

, I mean like he does not jam in with us anymore

39:09

. I mean , it's not

39:11

like he was dead or nothing like that . No

39:15

, no , no , no , no , no , no , he's

39:17

just , he's not able to hear . He's

39:21

not able to jam with us anymore . But

39:24

we've got Dorian Chandler and

39:26

fun story about . Dorian Chandler is

39:28

son of the man who recorded

39:31

the first second system CD ever

39:33

. Second , actually , second

39:35

, okay , the second one .

39:37

Our first CD was done by Tori LeFrance

39:39

. Tori LeFrance .

39:40

That's right .

39:41

But Randy Chandler was involved in the production

39:43

of that and he came in and laid a solo

39:45

on one of our songs on our first

39:47

album before Troll joined us , and

39:51

so Dorian was

39:53

a child like in diapers

39:55

while we were recording the first

39:57

couple of albums that he's now playing

39:59

songs on , and so

40:02

it was like one of those things where me

40:04

and his dad would always joke throughout

40:06

the years . You know , dorian's going to be your drummer one

40:08

day and I was like , yeah , okay , this five

40:10

year old is playing the white stripes

40:12

, like with no in a pocket

40:14

, and I'm like that's the white stripes , though

40:17

it's not really what you know , the

40:19

what we're doing . But now I mean , this

40:21

kid is really working . He's

40:24

making his dad's legacy proud . He's making

40:26

Saginaw proud . You know

40:28

he's out there , he's playing drums with anybody

40:30

he can and he's doing great . Now he's

40:32

, he's , he's , he's

40:35

an amazing kid man and

40:37

he's . He's got a lot of his dad in

40:39

him and a lot of his own that

40:42

he's bringing to the table to make himself

40:44

, you know , an even better musician

40:47

and human being . And I appreciate

40:49

Dorian very much . You know I got

40:51

the nickname baby from this kid

40:53

when he was five years old just because he was a little

40:56

smart mouth kid talking junk to me

40:58

. He said well , you're just a baby . I said

41:00

what do you know ? You're just a baby . And he's like

41:02

well , you're just a baby D . And everybody

41:04

just started laughing and that's my nickname . It

41:06

stuck for almost 20 years now and

41:08

I run my DJ business , dj

41:10

baby D Fisher , you know , based

41:13

off of you know . So this kid means a lot

41:15

to us .

41:16

And Dorian is the drummer on

41:18

this video that we're about to watch and

41:21

other than that , there's going to be the same lineup

41:24

as

41:26

on this video . But if we were opening

41:28

up for saliva

41:31

?

41:32

if it's the red room video , it's Tyler playing

41:34

drums . Dorian wasn't with us yet .

41:36

Right , that's what I just said . Oh

41:39

, okay , I thought

41:41

you were saying Dorian was about the same lineup

41:44

, except for the drummer that we're going to be seeing

41:46

next week . Put

41:48

it up for head PE , at the fault

41:51

.

41:53

Oh , and we're also . We're also going

41:55

to have big stubby playing guitar with us this

41:57

time . Stubby wasn't with us in

41:59

this performance .

42:03

Don wasn't there . No , I was going

42:05

to ask you about as .

42:07

Don recorded the audio .

42:09

He was , he was . Oh , my God .

42:12

Yeah , he recorded the audio for this video . I

42:14

sure did .

42:17

All right , that's what we're doing

42:19

.

42:21

The show was booked at the red room by Chris

42:24

Redburn and he gave us the opportunity to

42:26

play with Redburn and saliva and

42:28

you know we did good it was . It was a great show that

42:31

was fun .

42:32

It was , yes , it was . It was a great performance

42:35

, but now it's time to share it for the world

42:37

. So everyone pack

42:40

another bowl , you know , get comfy . We're not

42:42

done yet , so enjoy the show .

42:44

Oh shit man .

43:02

Yeah , I

43:13

could do it . I could do it . It's

43:44

a white man , it's a white

43:47

man . It's a white man . It's

43:50

a white man . It's

43:53

a white man . It's

44:03

a white man . That's it . Yeah , this

44:05

is the world . It's

44:07

all you , white man . This makes things come

44:09

to me . You're like that . I'm

44:12

so excited for my new world , but she

44:14

has such a different fate . We're

44:16

never gonna come For the

44:18

infrastructure Of drinking

44:21

in the air . I'm not

44:23

the one who's all over the time

44:25

. I can't hide . Don't

44:28

be about to see me have

44:31

a ride . It's not quite

44:33

. Yeah , it's

44:37

a white man . It's a white man . Yeah

44:41

, it's a white man . It's

44:45

a white man . It's a

44:47

white man . It's a white man

44:49

. It's not quite

44:52

. I

45:04

don't know why , but

45:06

sometimes we

45:09

could lie . Oh

45:13

, I'm blind , blind

45:16

, blind

45:19

, blind

45:25

, blind

45:27

, blind

45:31

. So

45:42

well , it is a prototype Of

45:45

my life Things and things

45:47

and talks and actions like this

45:49

. Yeah , probably

45:53

shouldn't wonder it , but it has such a

45:55

different fate we're never gonna

45:57

come For the infrastructure

45:59

Of

46:02

drinking in the air . I'm

46:04

not the one who's all over

46:06

the time . I

46:09

can't hide . Don't be about

46:11

to see me have

46:13

a ride . It's not quite . Yeah

46:16

, it's

46:18

a white man , it's a white

46:21

man , it's

46:23

a white man . It's a white man , it's

46:26

a white man , it's

46:28

a white man , it's

46:31

a white

46:33

man .

46:35

Thank

46:38

you . Derek

46:47

is still stepped away , so he'll

46:49

be back . Oh , there he is

46:51

.

46:52

I want to point out the fact that , you

46:55

see , at the end of that video , I was sitting

46:57

there Twiddling my fucking

46:59

cable Because , like

47:02

that last two or three screams , I

47:04

realized that , oh shit , my

47:08

cable came out , which is

47:10

why I always give it at least one fucking wrap around Nowadays

47:13

. Nope , don't

47:16

wrap your fucking cable , since cable Fine

47:19

, I'm not gonna . I'm not gonna twist

47:21

it , but I'm giving it one wrap around . Okay

47:25

, I just want to make sure .

47:29

I have at least one reach around .

47:32

I was watching that and

47:34

I saw that and I

47:36

was just like , was his mic unplugged the entire

47:38

time Because it didn't

47:41

sound like it ?

47:42

I was like , holy shit , no

47:44

, no no , I just unplugged right at the end there .

47:46

Yeah , yeah , just that very , very last one .

47:49

And that was a good show . That was cool . It was inside the Dowell

47:51

Vent Center , you know , in the red room

47:53

, a big room . Once again

47:55

, thanks to Chris Redburn for hooking that up for us and

47:58

sharing that bill with us . It

48:00

was the first time we got put on a billboard and

48:02

we got to have our logo flying In our

48:04

hometown . You know

48:06

, the second system was playing At the

48:08

Dowell Vent Center , in the red room , and it was a

48:10

really cool thing . You

48:13

know , we've gotten looking back at that video and thinking

48:15

about All the stuff that

48:17

we've gotten to do . That I never thought possible when

48:20

I first started the band .

48:22

You know all like .

48:24

My first concert , real concert , was

48:27

Oswest 97 . You

48:30

know , the first tour that they did . And

48:33

I experienced Cold Chamber live

48:35

Before I ever heard their music on album

48:37

or anything . And I'm not going to

48:39

lie , I was 16 and I was tripping acid

48:42

, you know . So that whole day was so Serial

48:44

, surreal for me . But I

48:46

was talking , I met

48:48

the guys from Cold Chamber Before

48:51

they were famous or anything and

48:53

we burned a joint and I

48:55

got to hang out With some people

48:57

that were on the level that we are now , back then and

49:01

I just kind of Realized what I wanted

49:03

to do With my music

49:05

and I didn't really care

49:07

about Becoming rich and famous

49:10

or the money you know , I

49:12

just wanted to play shows like that and

49:14

share that kind of energy the way

49:17

they did . You know , and realize

49:19

At that time it only cost

49:21

10 grand to buy on to Oswest

49:23

for these guys , you know . And now , if Oswest was to

49:25

do it , I mean obviously it cost way , much

49:27

, way more

49:30

. But at the time , you know , when

49:32

you start thinking about the

49:35

late 90s and early

49:37

2000s , there was so much

49:39

Metal and hard music

49:41

that saw a rebirth

49:44

that it came from so many different avenues

49:46

and so many different ways Of

49:48

coming in because everybody was trying To get away from

49:50

what my kids now call Dad Metal

49:53

. You know the mega Death , the Metallicas

49:55

, the stuff that laid the

49:57

foundation . So we ended up having

49:59

what Were they called New Metal , you know

50:01

, and then that label

50:04

Ended up getting just Stuck

50:06

on the bands that mixed rap and rock . But

50:09

what New Metal Really was at the

50:11

time it was coming out Was New

50:13

Metal . It was the Cold

50:15

Chambers , it was the Neurosis , it was the

50:18

Sepulcheras , you know it was anything

50:20

in that type of Vain , the

50:22

Fear Factory . You know the stuff

50:24

, the metal that Incorporated so

50:27

many other styles Of music within it that

50:29

it changed the . You couldn't just

50:31

say Biohazard , you

50:34

couldn't just say that's heavy metal Like Biohazard

50:36

. You know these bands had so many different

50:39

styles Going on in their mix

50:41

that it made me

50:43

want to be like as a musician

50:45

. I don't want to hate on any

50:47

kind Of music and prevent

50:49

me From growing as a musician and using

50:52

Whatever I can appreciate From

50:54

a style . If I don't appreciate that Whole style

50:56

, at least I can incorporate Something into

50:59

my development as a musician and my songwriting

51:01

To try and reach more

51:03

people or reach myself A

51:06

bit more . You know , why should I put those

51:08

limitations on ? So whenever Second

51:10

System started out , we

51:12

didn't really care or focus

51:15

on who we were going to sound Like or what we were

51:17

going to sound like . We just wanted to see what happened

51:19

. And

51:21

to this day I still get

51:23

many different people Putting us in many

51:25

different categories Based

51:27

off of what they hear . You know , somebody

51:29

I used to work with Said oh you guys are new metal , you

51:32

know , because Troll has two or three Parts

51:34

that sound a little rap-y , so they just

51:36

went with new metal . But then

51:38

when you listen to songs like Night Soul and you're

51:40

like that's not a typical , you

51:42

know categorized New metal

51:45

song . You know what I mean it's like . And

51:47

You've played a couple different

51:49

songs In the break that had

51:52

Different members , different

51:54

Singers and stuff that Brought

51:56

in different levels Of

51:58

musicianship To where we weren't

52:01

hindered . You know , I always wanted

52:03

to make sure we weren't pigeon-holders stuck

52:05

in a box . You know , I wanted to be

52:07

able to make sure that we were able to

52:09

play what

52:11

we came up with and what we just did

52:13

, you know , without having

52:15

that Limit of like . You know Godsmack . You

52:18

know anytime Godsmack puts out an album , you

52:20

expect a certain Type of

52:22

sound from them and if they don't produce

52:24

that , you're like , ah , you're

52:26

gonna let that down . And at

52:29

the same time you're those , the fans that

52:31

don't Appreciate that stuff , are hindered

52:33

From being able to appreciate

52:35

that Um

52:38

, I don't want to say Cookie-cutter um

52:41

format . You know that format

52:43

of rock when you're always going to be able

52:45

to expect the same type of thing from

52:47

that band . You know , I

52:50

always wanted to keep it interesting and

52:52

fresh and uh , you know , uh

52:54

, uh , uh uh , okay , I'll put

52:56

it to a comparison .

52:58

Like , we've got the song um , change

53:00

of Heart , very , very heavy , very , very

53:02

choppy , and then we've got the song Unseen

53:04

. That's very , very Soft , very

53:06

, very slow , very , you know what

53:08

I mean . So , like and everything

53:11

in between Like , um , it's

53:13

just Whatever the fuck . Like I said , it's like

53:15

a soup , whatever Ingredients

53:18

each member showed up With at practice

53:20

that day , and it's the recipes

53:23

that tasted so damn

53:25

good . Going down Are the ones that

53:27

each one of us Remember , enough

53:29

that when members

53:32

have come and gone and changed and

53:34

there has been an odd growth there

53:36

. But it seems like the

53:38

um , the mix

53:41

that we've got that we're about to

53:43

serve up this weekend

53:45

or next weekend is the fan favorite

53:47

, and

53:49

that's me , pat Derek

53:51

, and I mean

53:53

NETRINITY , it's known as NETRINITY

53:56

these days . Yes , Me

53:58

, Pat and Derek . As long as those

54:00

three motherfuckers are there , man , that's awesome

54:03

. Now , if you can get Don to show up

54:05

, they're like Woo , Motherfuckers

54:07

. We got a show and

54:10

we're really , really looking glad

54:12

to have Jordan

54:14

come in there because , man , that's

54:17

one guy that I've always , always , always

54:19

enjoyed working with on and

54:21

off stage . Like me , and that guy just really

54:23

connect . We understand each other , we get each other

54:25

. We want the same goal

54:27

At each point

54:30

of our lives . Since meeting , me and Jordan

54:32

have always had the same kind of goal

54:34

of what we wanted out

54:36

of music and what we wanted to

54:39

get from it . So

54:41

it's been just great meeting

54:43

that guy and awesome

54:45

work with him and glad to have him there . He

54:48

feels now like a core member , you

54:50

know , because , like I said , there have been many members but

54:53

Jordan feels like he's always

54:55

been there .

54:56

Well , jordan kind of always has been there

54:58

. You know , one of the things that I can say proudly

55:01

about this band is that any

55:04

of the members who have come

55:06

after the

55:08

, any new member who's ever come

55:10

into the fold , always started

55:12

out as a fan . You know , we

55:14

never had anybody that joined the band

55:17

specifically for business reasons

55:19

or , you know , just

55:21

because we , you know , we got somebody . There was

55:23

always somebody who stepped up and said , hey , I

55:25

want to do that because you guys need

55:27

a guy and I love the music

55:30

and I want to do it . So , like when Tyler

55:32

joined the band , he was underage and

55:34

we were looking for somebody who was of age

55:36

to stay in the bars and stuff and

55:38

we were trying to audition other drummers while

55:40

he was filling in because he was underage

55:43

. But he showed up to

55:45

all the other drummers and his auditions

55:47

and waxed them you know what I mean On

55:49

their own kit . These guys would sit down for their audition

55:51

and play the songs they've been working on .

55:54

Oh yeah , I remember that day .

55:56

And then he'd get up and we yeah

55:58

, we did like a thing we set

56:00

up like a show where we had public auditions

56:02

and we had three drummers come out

56:04

and on all of their own drum

56:06

kits , this kid sat down and waxed them

56:09

on songs that he never practiced

56:11

with us , he just knew by verbatim

56:13

. And Don was the same way . When Don

56:15

came into the second system , the

56:17

lead guitar player , big Stubby , he

56:19

was a fan of the band . Troll was

56:21

a fan of our first album , you know

56:24

, probably mostly because his big brother was in

56:26

a band , you know at the time , but

56:28

there was any

56:30

new member we've ever had was

56:33

always a fan of the band first . So

56:36

we've always had that luck . And Jordan

56:38

I remember when Jordan

56:40

was a teenager and coming out to the shows at

56:42

Dingstone Hall and him

56:45

telling me oh , I'm trying to get a band

56:47

going , I'm trying to do this , I'm trying to do that

56:49

. And then we had a

56:51

rehearsal space next to one of the rehearsal

56:54

spaces of his band that he was trying to get together

56:56

with in , and we went over there and hung out with

56:58

him and , just you know , got high , jammed

57:00

a little bit and he was like it

57:03

made an impression on him . I guess that's

57:06

one of the things that he always tells me

57:08

. You know , we get together and hang out and he was like you

57:10

know , I still remember that day . You came over and

57:12

we thought , because you guys were the

57:15

second system , you were going to be all you

57:17

know , cocksmokes or whatever . But you

57:19

guys are very down to earth and you made me feel welcome

57:21

as a human , you know

57:23

. And Jordan had always felt

57:25

like family in the band , as is any

57:28

member , any member who's ever come

57:30

and gone , whether they were here while Troll

57:32

was here or not , they still feel like family

57:34

to the point to where hell . We

57:36

had a show a couple of years ago where

57:38

we invited every past

57:40

member to jump on stage with

57:43

us and do a show and do songs that

57:45

they didn't write or they weren't on

57:47

with the recording . And I mean and it was

57:49

, it was a cool moment that a lot

57:51

of bands don't get to enjoy . You

57:53

know , having Troll on

57:56

stage with Mark or having

57:58

Troll on stage with Kyle , megan

58:00

on stage with Pat and these members were

58:02

never in the band together , but

58:04

you know the ability that

58:06

they all had to be able to get on stage

58:09

, put their egos aside and work together

58:11

. It was it was , like

58:13

I said a magic that I noticed

58:15

that a lot of other bands don't get to enjoy

58:18

that and appreciate that , and

58:20

that's something that I'm thankful for and

58:22

always grateful for the fact that a

58:24

lot of the musicians who have always

58:27

been in this band I don't think there's been

58:29

one slouch and

58:31

any of the member that we , any member that's ever

58:33

been in this band for any length of

58:36

time , whether it was a short period or

58:38

a long period , they were always very talented

58:40

, they were always very gifted and

58:42

there was something about them that made

58:45

their time here worth

58:47

it and work worthwhile . You

58:50

know they may have , they may have left

58:52

with some some bad circumstances

58:54

or circumstances to where you know

58:56

we can't work together anymore for whatever

58:58

reason , but at the same time

59:01

, I don't not appreciate

59:03

being with anybody that's ever

59:06

been in this band .

59:07

I appreciate it . Derek

59:10

was the person that started the goddamn band

59:12

. Derek is the one person who has always

59:14

been in the fucking band . Yeah

59:18

, yeah , I'm the .

59:19

I'm the only guy who's always been consistent yeah

59:21

, from beginning to end . You know , if

59:24

the rest of the band got together and

59:26

did a show without me , I

59:28

don't think they would call it the second system .

59:30

I don't know what they would call it .

59:32

No , I want to do it now .

59:34

Oh , you want to do it now ? Hell

59:36

yeah , I want to see Mario Moschetta , oh

59:40

.

59:40

I want to see how that works out . I'd love to watch . I'd

59:43

love to watch the second system . I've

59:45

never gotten to see the second system . I'll see

59:47

if Mark Gantagaske wants to do it . Yeah

59:50

, I've never gotten a chance to see the second system , so

59:52

I'm going to put it out there .

59:54

I'm going to put it out there . Hey , I'm putting together a second

59:56

system show . I need a guitar player

59:58

to replace Derek . Who wants to

1:00:00

audition ? And

1:00:03

see who's got the balls to show up .

1:00:08

That's funny , I feel like .

1:00:09

I'm going to do that .

1:00:12

I think it was the second system .

1:00:14

And it's like no , no , no , you can't control it . No , no

1:00:16

, you have to do a Derek impression . And

1:00:19

you get to choose if you want to do

1:00:21

long hair , derek

1:00:23

hat wearing Derek or

1:00:26

bald headed Derek .

1:00:29

Then there's you got to break it down into bald

1:00:32

fat Derek or bald skinny Derek .

1:00:35

Right , right , right , we got a whole lot man oh

1:00:37

man , the category just opened up

1:00:39

, bro man

1:00:42

this could be the whole

1:00:44

band .

1:00:44

You should get like the whole band , just like different

1:00:46

personas of Derek .

1:00:52

One thing that would be consistent is all the personas

1:00:54

will have severe stage fright

1:00:56

to where they throw up before they

1:00:58

get on stage . It's

1:01:03

funny because you were talking about it earlier

1:01:05

, dan . You know how you know

1:01:08

our personas take over once the lights

1:01:10

go on , that

1:01:12

stage fright that I feel

1:01:15

every show disappears

1:01:17

the second we start . But

1:01:21

right before we go on that , first that , five

1:01:23

minutes before I know we're taking stage , man

1:01:25

, I'm so nervous , I'm terrified

1:01:28

, horrible , halfway to the first

1:01:30

song it's like fuck it , let's go . And

1:01:34

what's what's funny is I don't feel that fear

1:01:36

playing with any other band . I've been in

1:01:38

redburn , I've played . I played

1:01:40

with shadow people . Now I'm in a mega

1:01:42

death tribute band called reckoning day . I've

1:01:46

played with blackout . I've played with

1:01:48

failed society . I've

1:01:53

played with the Matt Ryan band . I played in a country band too . We

1:01:55

got to open for Brad Paisley . So I've done

1:01:57

a lot of good things with a lot

1:01:59

of good acts . That did other

1:02:02

big stuff , you know . But

1:02:04

I never felt that fear

1:02:06

, that tension that I get right before

1:02:09

I get on stage with the second system . You

1:02:11

know in any , in any configuration

1:02:15

of the band that that fear

1:02:17

takes hold of me for

1:02:19

some reason . I'm a copset , you

1:02:22

know . I throw up and

1:02:24

or I'll gag the

1:02:27

second . We get on and the lights dim

1:02:29

down and it's time to get out from it

1:02:31

.

1:02:31

But yeah , that's

1:02:34

like a transformation right there

1:02:37

.

1:02:39

Yeah , it's like . It's like we find a way to let the universe

1:02:41

take over , and it is what it is . I

1:02:43

mean , there's been shows where we

1:02:45

get on stage with absolutely no

1:02:48

rehearsal whatsoever , when

1:02:50

we haven't played together for years or

1:02:52

months , and we're

1:02:54

like , fuck , this is going to suck , we're going to fuck

1:02:56

this up because other bands require

1:02:58

rehearsal . And then we get on stage and

1:03:00

somehow we just let the universe

1:03:03

take over and it just happens and we're like

1:03:05

, wow , did that happen like

1:03:07

that ? I didn't really pull that off

1:03:09

that . I didn't expect myself to

1:03:11

play that well , let alone you , or you

1:03:13

or you know , and that's one

1:03:15

of the blessings that we've always had , you know any

1:03:18

member of the time trying to

1:03:20

call me .

1:03:21

I wonder if I can answer it .

1:03:25

Probably not sending the link and time to come on here

1:03:27

.

1:03:29

Yeah , we still got a few more minutes .

1:03:30

So yeah , tell them to come on , come on say

1:03:32

hi real quick . But

1:03:37

, yeah , any member in this band , he'll

1:03:40

come back . But any member of this band

1:03:42

has always been worth their weight as a band

1:03:44

member and I appreciate all of

1:03:46

them . You know , whether or not they know

1:03:48

it or not , if they're watching tonight , you know I

1:03:52

, like I said all of them , whether

1:03:54

I could still play music with them

1:03:57

or not , their place in this band meant

1:03:59

something and it stayed here

1:04:01

and you know we we

1:04:04

as a band , past , present , all

1:04:06

of the members always appreciate that

1:04:08

and I love them all .

1:04:13

What .

1:04:16

Right . Yeah , it's just it's

1:04:18

just , it's just crazy , how like , how things

1:04:20

, just like it comes , how things just come

1:04:22

together .

1:04:23

Well , let me ask you a question .

1:04:25

And like you just found , like it's

1:04:27

pretty much a thing in this family .

1:04:29

Yeah Right , let

1:04:31

me ask you a question real quick . Can

1:04:34

you recall your first time seeing us

1:04:36

play ?

1:04:40

Uh , I don't know , I

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can't . I can't recall it was

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a . If it was , it was a very long time

1:04:46

ago , Right .

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And .

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I don't think , I don't think Troll was in the . Troll was

1:04:51

not in the band at the time , Right .

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Right , so it was that long ago .

1:04:55

Because Troll was still forward . So it's off of the

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cause .

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Yeah Right , but even though it was that

1:05:01

long ago , it was still something

1:05:04

that you held on to in your

1:05:06

memory . And I mean , and there's bands you've probably

1:05:08

seen , you don't remember from

1:05:10

that long ago . You don't remember their

1:05:12

names . You

1:05:14

know , there's something about us that stuck

1:05:16

out in your memory and we're lucky

1:05:19

to be able to do that for a lot of people

1:05:21

, and I'm still glad that people

1:05:23

remember us from at

1:05:25

one point or another and appreciate us

1:05:27

the way we appreciate them and their

1:05:29

efforts to keep us , you

1:05:31

know , in their hearts , joyfully

1:05:34

, I don't know . I'm

1:05:37

just in a grateful mood , right ?

1:05:38

now Right .

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It's awesome , we your bed .

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Yeah , when

1:05:43

, when , when you're doing something you love

1:05:45

and you take it seriously and you start

1:05:47

to realize that people are appreciating it , and

1:05:50

it makes you , it makes you realize

1:05:52

that you know what you're , what you're doing

1:05:54

for all that time you're doing all this

1:05:56

stuff for free , you're still doing for free , you're

1:05:59

grinding it out and all this , and it's just you

1:06:01

finally get to realize that , okay , people are appreciating

1:06:03

it . Now You're like you're getting to that point where

1:06:05

you actually realize that this could

1:06:08

become a reality , like it's not

1:06:10

no longer a pipe dream , it's becoming reality

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. Well

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, I mean and , and and oh yeah

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, go ahead .

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I was just going to say , I mean , and that that kind

1:06:21

of reassurance

1:06:23

is worth more than

1:06:25

any money we could make . You know , whenever

1:06:27

we go out and we see bands

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or people in bands that are doing

1:06:33

things that they

1:06:35

weren't doing at the time but they

1:06:37

still remember who we are . For

1:06:40

example , astray , you know Astray

1:06:42

, the rapper from Saginaw . He works

1:06:44

for Slim Shady Records . He's doing

1:06:46

great out there . Mike Spitz is also

1:06:48

doing very well . These were guys that

1:06:50

we were grinding with 20

1:06:53

years ago in the wise guys bar

1:06:55

scene and hanging out and just . And

1:06:57

these guys are doing great big things right

1:06:59

now and they still look at us like , wow

1:07:01

, when are you guys going to do another show ? You

1:07:04

know they give us a certain respect that

1:07:06

we don't expect . You know

1:07:08

, troll , the friends with the singer from King

1:07:10

. You know I

1:07:13

, king

1:07:15

is obviously a band that has gone through and gone

1:07:17

and done some things , and yet whenever

1:07:19

their lead singer sees troll , he's like

1:07:21

, hey , what's up ? Troy , you

1:07:24

know , and we

1:07:26

stick out in people's minds

1:07:28

and I don't know why , but

1:07:30

I'm glad of it and I appreciate that

1:07:32

and I appreciate you , dan , for

1:07:34

having us on here too and making

1:07:37

time for us and everything . And you know

1:07:39

, hometown homies , whatever we go back , you

1:07:41

know way back , even though we haven't hung out in a long time

1:07:43

, you know it's a , it's still good . It

1:07:45

feels like , you know . It feels like we picked up

1:07:47

right where we left off , you know .

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Yeah , that's . It's kind of like I don't

1:07:52

know , I don't want to , like it's

1:07:54

. It's hard to explain . Um , like

1:07:56

I don't drink anymore . I'm 12 years sober

1:07:59

, like I don't , I haven't , I haven't had

1:08:01

a drink in , and I think

1:08:03

13 years last September , so be

1:08:05

Congratulations . It's

1:08:08

like I try not to go out

1:08:10

, you know , because the temptation is there and everything

1:08:12

I like . I like to go out and have fun , but

1:08:14

it's just without drinking

1:08:17

. It's , it's not , it's

1:08:19

I don't want to say it's not fun anymore , it's just that

1:08:21

it's . I

1:08:23

don't know . It's more obnoxious because people

1:08:25

are drunk , but it's okay , but

1:08:28

I get that . And , uh , you know a lot of friends

1:08:31

, you know a lot of friends fell off . I fell off , I

1:08:33

stopped talking to a lot of people and I'm

1:08:35

trying to get back to where I used to be , because

1:08:38

now I think I I'm strong enough to work at

1:08:40

that point where I can actually hang out with my

1:08:43

old friends and all that stuff from now on .

1:08:46

And it is it's just like .

1:08:48

It's just like when you stop talking

1:08:50

to someone and like what , 12 years

1:08:52

, 10 , 12 , 13 years have gone by

1:08:54

, and then you talk to them

1:08:56

the next day and it's right back where you left off . It's

1:08:59

like that's that's true friendship and that's pretty

1:09:01

much in my eyes and that's that's great

1:09:03

to have .

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Right , and you get that from people

1:09:07

being genuine . You know , you know nobody

1:09:09

being pretentious and trying to pretend to be somebody

1:09:11

, those pretend people , those are the ones you

1:09:13

get . You know where they're like . Oh um

1:09:15

wait , which persona am I going to be right

1:09:17

now ? And you know you don't have to be there

1:09:20

to be yourself . And you know I appreciate

1:09:22

the fact that you know you're

1:09:24

, you're you and a lot of people are still able

1:09:26

to be that way with us . You know , I know

1:09:28

Troll sees this too . We see people

1:09:30

out . There are constituents in the music scene

1:09:32

. You know they're being their persona to everybody

1:09:35

else . And then they see us and they stop and go

1:09:37

. They break character for a minute and they're

1:09:39

just like oh Harry , what's up ?

1:09:40

Yeah .

1:09:42

You know we all break character together and you

1:09:44

know , but at the same time you know still

1:09:46

being our genuine selves and

1:09:48

it's very much appreciated and understood

1:09:50

that that's what's got to , that's what's got

1:09:52

to happen in the world . Man , people be themselves

1:09:55

more and we could all get along

1:09:57

a hell of a lot better . Man , accepting

1:09:59

of ourselves and accepting of each other , yeah

1:10:03

, Words of wisdom here

1:10:05

on the day .

1:10:06

I'm lovely show accepting

1:10:09

.

1:10:09

Yeah .

1:10:10

You can't accept other people until you accept who you are first

1:10:12

.

1:10:13

That's right .

1:10:14

And smoke weed . They smoke a lot

1:10:16

of weed , yeah .

1:10:18

Yeah , smoke the weed , don't

1:10:20

, don't , don't drink the firewater , don't drink the firewater

1:10:23

.

1:10:26

I'll drink to that .

1:10:26

Oh .

1:10:30

Well , yeah , we are running out of time , guys

1:10:32

. I do want to thank you guys for coming on and as

1:10:35

short notice , and yeah , we just kind of threw this episode

1:10:37

together and it turned out to be a fantastic

1:10:39

one , as always .

1:10:41

Thank you again .

1:10:42

Yeah , yeah , thank

1:10:44

you , guys for coming on and be so .

1:10:45

yeah , next Friday or next Saturday

1:10:47

, from October 7th

1:10:49

at the vault . October

1:10:52

7th at the vault what

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no ? October

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7th at the vault . We're going to be with my team .

1:11:04

Nice , but yeah check them

1:11:06

out at the vault guys next Saturday , so

1:11:09

yep .

1:11:10

Thank you guys for coming on . Thank you , dan

1:11:12

we appreciate you .

1:11:13

Yeah , not a problem . Anytime guys , anytime you want to come

1:11:16

back on us , let me know .

1:11:17

Right on , right on . You got it , my man .

1:11:20

How that's boy . See you guys

1:11:22

later . Yeah

1:11:26

, second sister coming on , saginaw's

1:11:29

very own second system . Friends

1:11:31

from way back . You know , we're just trying to make

1:11:33

it . It's just funny how people

1:11:35

like that

1:11:37

are on the same path , just

1:11:40

kind of mesh together and

1:11:42

we kind of just find each other in the

1:11:44

universe and it happens that way . I

1:11:46

don't know A firm believer

1:11:49

and positive energy and all that

1:11:51

good stuff . And speaking of which

1:11:53

, check out our new podcast about the job , me

1:11:56

and two other friends . We got

1:11:58

Drew PM from

1:12:00

Take Money Productions and

1:12:02

Job Blaze from the Cloud Chronicles

1:12:05

. We have joined forces and became

1:12:07

the Illuminati Ice Cream . So

1:12:09

come and check that out . Three friends

1:12:12

talking about conspiracy theories with a

1:12:14

little bit of comedy thrown in

1:12:16

. Who knows , who knows what will happen

1:12:18

. It's just going to be great . We're going to try it out . But

1:12:21

yeah , check us out next week . Next week I do have

1:12:23

the host of the Screamin' Chewie Show

1:12:25

, chewie , coming in and

1:12:27

he's going to kick it with me for a little bit . But until then

1:12:29

, I'll see you guys next week . Love you guys , stay up

1:12:31

, peace

1:12:47

.