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You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show

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on Fox Sports Radio. Tim

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Tebow his success at

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the University of Florida was probably a blessing

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and a curse for the former Heisman

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Trophy winner because it did provide

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him with multiple opportunities, multiple

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opportunities to try to play quarterback in the

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NFL, and then

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he switched to play baseball, and that was a cash

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grab for the Mets. They were using Tebow.

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Tebow didn't mind having the opportunity

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to maybe show that he could play baseball, and

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now here he is back with the NFL. He's

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expected to sign a one year deal with the Jags

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to play tight end. Problem is, he's

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thirty three and he hasn't played

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tight end before. Other than that productive

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players like Logan Thomas.

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He was a quarterback Virginia Tech.

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He's now a good tight end, A jack of all

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trades. Taysom Hill, quarterback at BYU,

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jack of all trades. Tebow

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hasn't played football since the twenty

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fifteen preseason. Presumably

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they are younger players with more

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speed who actually played tight

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end, But you have to think that the JAG's

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head coach Urban Meyer is bringing

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in Tim Tebow for his leadership,

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not necessarily for his skill. And maybe he's

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bringing him in as a favor, and

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that's understandable. It's a ninety

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man roster. That doesn't

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mean that he makes the team. I think

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it might be I'll do you a favor.

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Come on in. These guys are neighbors

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in Jacksonville. They live a couple of houses

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from each other. Now that doesn't

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mean Urban Meyer wants to bank

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on Tim Tebow being his starting tight end.

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I think we've made that big leap from

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all they're they're gonna sign Tebow.

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Okay, let me wait and see if

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he makes the roster here. This is a

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ninety man roster. When they get

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it down to fifty three, is Tim

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Tebow still there? And he

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might be fourth or fifth on the depth chart.

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I don't know if he can block an edge usher.

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I don't know if he can get off a block and get down

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field. I don't know what he capable

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of running. I don't know his hands. I don't know if

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he can catch. But

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I'm curious how it started Tebow

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call. Did he just go, Hey,

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I'm gonna go get some sugar from

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a coach. I'm gonna go knock on his door,

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Hey, coach, Uh, can I borrow some

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sugar and play tight end for you? What

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some sugar in play tight end for you?

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Maybe serviceable tight end?

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Uh? Yeah, sure, come on in. I

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mean the Jags have five tight ends

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on their roster right now. You

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might go, who are those tight

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ends? Yeah, you're right. They don't have

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a big name, but uh,

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you know James O'Shaughnessy. You

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have Chris man Hurts,

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Luke Farrell. Did you say Chris

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Man Hurts. You made that up? No, you made

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that up. Chris Man hurt Man

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Hurts, Ben Ellefson

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and Tyler Davis. Man

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Hurts was signed in free agency.

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He has twelve catches in seventy career

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games. O'Shaughnessy has eighty

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eight catches in six seasons with Kansas

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City in Jacksonville. Ellefson

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has one career catch. Davis

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played in eight games last season after Jag

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selected him in the sixth round. Farrell

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is the team's fifth round pick this

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year. I believe he's out of Ohio State.

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Somebody's losing a job in this group here.

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I don't know how many tight ends you normally keep,

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but they do have a roster

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there. Meyer and Tebow did something

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special at Florida and maybe they can recapture

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some of that Tebow magic, Tebow

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time, a surprise second football

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life for Tim. Yes, todd Man,

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it's gonna hurt if Tebow takes his spot. I don't

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know how you can possibly look yourself in the mirror after that. And

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here's the wind up and the pitch. Thank

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you, todd Yeah,

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I'm not up in arms about

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it. There are a lot of players, former players, who were

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saying, why is he getting a chance here? I

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mean, what is the down sign? Here?

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Can you play? I don't think urban Meyer

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is going to keep him on the fifty three man roster if

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he can't play. But

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urban Meyer does had total autonomy there,

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and maybe this is one of those Hey,

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you didn't make the team, do you want to stay on

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my coaching staff. That's the feeling

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I got is and this is why I

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thought Alex Smith was going to go

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to Jacksonville and maybe back up Trevor

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Lawrence, just to give him some guidance. He

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has a relationship with urban Meyer from their days

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when they played at Utah. He quarterbacked

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at Utah and he just said he didn't want to play

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anymore. But maybe Tim Tebow

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goes in and then he stays on the staff as

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an assistant coach, and I don't think anybody

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would have a problem with that. But

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this has got the NFL up in arms.

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How dare Tim Tebow take away a roster

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spot. I don't know if he's going to

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the ninety man, that's different than

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the fifty three. Now, if he makes the fifty

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three, then we could have a discussion

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there. Yeah, Paully, I just checked the Jacksonville

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Jaguars shop dot com and no Tibo

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Jersey. Yet you need Trevor Lawrence.

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I got eight different options for you, Travis

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et n Yeah, because those nothing

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for Tebow's big with I

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was like, the NBA will keep an old player on

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the rock like Udanni's. Hasslim is actually

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still on the heat roster. He doesn't play.

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But then Jowan Howard did this forever, like,

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but the NFL feels like you can't really do that, just

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keep a player coach. But but they didn't take nine

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years off. Tim hasn't played football

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in nine years, right, But Hasslim doesn't

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even get in the games. He's just a coach that happened

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to stick on the roster. Yeah, that's really what Tibo would

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be if he happens to make the team, right or would

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he play well, He's still taking

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a roster spot. That's

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that That's what has a lot of

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the former players upset. It

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feels like, how dare him take a

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roster spot here? Now you can say,

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did he take a roster spot in the Mets

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farm system? I guess he did, But I

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blame that on the Mets. I mean, if

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the Mets didn't sign Tim Tebow, I

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don't think anybody else was going to. That

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was, hey, we're going to use you, Tim, you can

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use us and maybe you

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get a chance to play in the major leagues. It

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didn't work out. Now he's trying to play tight end

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at age thirty three, which is what

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a lot of us suggested to Tim,

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me included years ago. Did

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you ever as soon as you would bring that up,

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he'd shut it down. Why

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don't you try tight nump? I want to play

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quarterback? And I understand

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that a lot of this is the ego.

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I won the Heisman Trophy as a quarterback.

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I won a playoff game in Denver.

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I'm a quarterback. And then

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you realize you're not. I

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mean, if Taysom Hill said I'm only a quarterback,

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he might not be in the league. Antoine

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Randall l if he said,

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hey, I want to play quarterback, he wouldn't

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have had that career. But

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he did. He had a great career. Eric

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isn't. Isn't it fascinating how many lives Tebow

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has. He's managed every

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couple of years to pop up, have some relevancy.

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You know, he's a mat for a couple of years, then

7:50

you know college game day, good really good media gig

7:52

and then one last call at age thirty three to

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play for the Jaguars. With this young, hot quarterback

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fascinating. I just want to wait until they

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get to camp. Let's see what happens.

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Let's see if he can play the position. I

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don't think urban Meyer is going to

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keep him on the roster to do him a favor

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because Urban ultimately has

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to win. Who gives us the

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best chance of winning. Now, you might say

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that they don't have a formidable lineup of tight

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ends there, and they don't. But if

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Tim Tebow gets a chance, maybe that's all

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he's asking, like one last chance.

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Let's see. Okay, it didn't work out, and

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it didn't work out with my former coach. Now

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I know I can put all of this to

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rest because there's no more baseball,

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there'd be no more football, and that he could

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be an analyst if he wanted to with

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the Mothership, or he could

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be an assistant coach there. But also

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understand this is a business, like

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the NFL is a reality show. It

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truly is the ultimate reality show. If

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you can somehow cash in

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on Tim Tebow, would Shod

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Khan and the Jags be opposed to

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that? Answers

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No, you call hard

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knocks right away, and you say, hey, come

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on down, come on

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we got Trevor Lawrence, Urban Meyer

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and Tim Tebow make

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hard knocks all about Tim Tebow, and

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you have that dramatic voice, the former

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Heisman Trophy winner just

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can't seem to hang on. Then

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they drops the ball they had the music

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you build. Urban

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shakes his head. Trevor

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Lawrence throws it to Tim Tebow.

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Oh be so exciting.

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Let me see if he makes the fifty three man roster. Who

9:40

wants to bet on Tim Tebow

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making the fifty three man roster

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here, not the practice squad. No, he

9:47

is opening day

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roster. Suit it up, suit it up,

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Ready to go, coach, Put me in, coach, I'm

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ready to play. Who wants

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a piece of that? Tim

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Tebow is on the

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field in a uniform. Week

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one crickets,

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rickets, Paulie.

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How many tight ends can you have on a roster? Is a rule

10:16

against it? No? I don't think I think you

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can have you know, ten if you want.

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Mclovin. Would teams normally

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carry three two? Three? Yeah,

10:25

I'm not sure, but I don't know if they're carrying

10:27

enough for him. I go thumps down. Okay, I don't

10:29

think they can keep five or six? You want to do that as

10:31

a pole. By the way, does he make the team? Okay?

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What do you think, Paul? Do most NBA NFL

10:36

teams keep two or three active quarterbacks

10:39

these days? Is it generally two active?

10:41

Usually two? And then you have an inactive practice

10:44

squadish? Yeah, that's like you know, the Packers are bringing

10:46

in quarterbacks like Chad Kelly and

10:50

they but they have to do that because Jordan

10:52

Love was inactive. He wasn't

10:54

even dressed to play in games last

10:56

year. They have to have a backup quarterback. They

10:58

may have to have a starting quarter back here, but

11:01

they were expected when Adam Schefter

11:03

joined us, he said they're going to be bringing in

11:05

quarterbacks. That wasn't news. What

11:07

happened yesterday that the Packers announced

11:10

they're bringing in some candidates here. Yeah,

11:12

MC club. So if you're Tebow and if

11:14

you do have a three quarters, you're in the tight ye room. Do you

11:16

sneak down the hallway to just sit in

11:18

on some quarterback meetings? Do you think he would

11:20

try that? Not

11:22

unless he's invited. That's

11:25

a room by way. Gardner Minshew I think is still

11:27

there. It feels like Gardner Minshew

11:29

can end up in Green Bay for some reason like

11:32

that would be that would be a quality

11:34

backup quarterback. I

11:36

don't know if Jacksonville, you

11:38

know, would trade him, but it feels

11:40

like if if you're Green Bay, my

11:43

first round pick is not ready, and could

11:46

I get somebody who would be ready? Because this is a

11:48

team that is, you know, obviously a

11:50

super Bowl caliber team.

11:53

And if you don't have Aaron Rodgers,

11:56

then who can you have in there as a backup quarterback?

11:58

Yeah? Mclub, did we just lay the Tebow story

12:01

to Aaron Rodgers somehow? If

12:03

I can get a link, if

12:06

I can link it to Lebron James and

12:08

then the Cowboys. I got a home run here. Somehow work

12:10

his ankle into this, and yes, his ankle,

12:13

and then you have Dak Prescott who had the ankle's

12:16

surgery Lebron

12:18

is he a Cowboys fan? Yeah?

12:21

Yeah, here we go. We got it all here. Yeah.

12:23

I did see a story that the Jags and

12:25

the Cowboys are the two front runners

12:27

for hard knocks. This is from like

12:30

a month ago on NFL dot Com. I

12:32

mean, the Cowboys always sell at hard knocks, But what

12:34

don't you want to see the Jags? Now? Well,

12:38

what am I going to see with the Cowboys in

12:41

training camp. Now you might

12:43

see Michael Parsons, who's a big personality,

12:45

their first round draft pick. Uh, you

12:48

know, the return of Dak Prescott from

12:50

you know, ankle surgery. Uh,

12:53

what else? I mean, Jerry's always going to

12:55

be front and center. I would think urban Meyer's

12:57

first year. Now, if I'm urban Meyer, I don't want

13:00

the cameras there my first year, Like,

13:02

I want to ease into this. I

13:04

don't want any more distractions than I'm gonna already.

13:06

Have you signed Tim Tibow? Yeah, exactly,

13:09

I did that just as of faith, just as

13:12

a favor. Yes, there's a note in here. They

13:14

don't have to be on hard knocks. You know, there's rules becaut

13:16

a first year coach, but they want to be shot. Kahn

13:18

has requested the league that

13:21

hey, what so maybe maybe they want

13:23

this circus. Well, this

13:26

is um this is the

13:28

first start here. This is certainly the

13:31

entree into hard knocks where you go, Okay,

13:33

got urban You got Trevor Lawrence? Wait,

13:35

you you just signed him? Yes,

13:38

we'll have you on. That wouldn't be enough

13:40

to have urban Meyer and Trevor Lawrence.

13:43

You got Tim Tebow? We can, we can

13:45

work with that. By

13:47

the way, the most receptions by tight ends in

13:49

twenty twenty. Just to give you an idea of where

13:51

the Jags are on that list. Uh,

13:54

Darren Waller, who was originally a

13:56

wide receiver one hundred and seven catches.

13:58

Travis Kelsey was a quarterback in high

14:01

school. He had one hundred and five catches.

14:04

Logan Thomas, originally a quarterback,

14:06

seventy two catches. There. All

14:09

right, it's not out of the realm of possibilities

14:11

here, but I will say those three players

14:13

that I just mentioned are incredible

14:15

athletes. Tim

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was just a big guy on a great team

14:20

and did wonderful things, you

14:23

know, but then all of a sudden, he got to the pros,

14:25

had a long delivery. He wasn't

14:27

his fast or quick. You

14:29

know. He They were a mismatch

14:32

with just about every team they played against. And

14:35

he could run and he could

14:37

throw well enough, and

14:40

that's all you needed. At Florida

14:42

there was I mean, that's one of the more talented

14:44

teams we've had in college football in a long

14:46

long time. Tim got

14:49

to the NFL and he just couldn't play.

14:51

You know. The release isn't quick, He's

14:53

not quick. He's still a big, powerful

14:55

guy. But I

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I don't know. Well, we'll get

15:01

this, you know, see what urban

15:03

Meyer needs to see from Tim Tebow?

15:05

Yeah, Paul, we have a snarky tweak to the Tim

15:07

Tebow beats. Instead of you, will you make the rosters

15:09

career receptions for Tim deebo a

15:12

half? Is the over under a

15:14

half a reception for his career? Where

15:17

would you go a

15:20

half of a catch? I'm gonna go under. I'm

15:22

gonna do the under. I didn't do the

15:24

under the Jags.

15:27

This is on NFL dot Com. The Jags

15:29

will get the nod in twenty twenty one.

15:31

For Hard Knocks, We'll

15:33

start with the background. The only team that's

15:35

publicly stated a desire to

15:38

be the focus of Hard Knocks. There's

15:40

never been enough buzz around the team demerit

15:43

serious consideration. That's

15:45

no longer the case, Urban Meyer,

15:48

Trevor Lawrence. So

15:52

looks like the Jags will be a hard Knocks

15:54

and then you throw in Tim Tebow. Sure, I

15:57

think we got ourselves a TV show. Sure

16:00

to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick

16:02

Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six

16:04

am Pacific on Fox Sports

16:07

Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Tom

16:09

Silverstein covers the Packers, and he's

16:11

been a busy man here, but he's taken time

16:14

out for us. He covers the Packers

16:16

for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Let

16:18

me start with the Tebows story. Let me give you something

16:21

different here, Tom, what do you think about Tim

16:23

Tebow's chances of making the Jags h

16:27

Let's see. I would say

16:29

they're probably akin

16:32

to Rogers

16:34

plan for the Bears. Maybe. Oh,

16:37

okay, that that would

16:39

probably be my equation there, right,

16:42

quiet week after a wild week.

16:44

So where do you Is it a good thing

16:46

if you're a Packers fan that it's been quiet,

16:50

it's probably a good thing. Yes,

16:54

you know, so many things were

16:56

fired right on draft

16:58

day, and then she had

17:00

all the reverberations after

17:02

that and little

17:05

nuggets coming out, and now I

17:07

think it's just down to time.

17:10

I think time is the one element

17:13

that could make

17:16

this thing go away. It's possible.

17:19

I still don't believe that

17:21

it's gonna end well, but you

17:25

know what time you start

17:27

to people start to think differently

17:29

and view things differently,

17:32

and suddenly you get closer

17:35

to actual

17:37

season starting and training camp

17:39

and then maybe things flip

17:41

a little bit. So that's really

17:43

what it's going to come down to. In my opinion,

17:46

Okay, why don't you think it'll work

17:48

out for Rogers and the

17:50

Packers. Well,

17:53

one, I just think that with Aaron Rodgers,

17:55

when there's an issue and

17:58

he holds a grudge, it's it's

18:00

a grudge forever. It's not

18:03

something that he gets over very easily.

18:06

This could be a little bit different in

18:09

that maybe he just wanted to make his point

18:12

and that there's some things that they

18:14

could do. I'm starting to you're

18:16

starting to see signs

18:19

that maybe he does

18:21

want to come back. I mean you're seeing his surrogates

18:24

start to say,

18:27

well, you know, it's not as bad as you think

18:29

it is. And you know, everything

18:32

you hear from either sources

18:35

or people who've played with him or

18:37

anything like that, it's, in

18:39

my opinion, it's coming from him.

18:42

So maybe there is a chance

18:45

for reconciliation. Yeah,

18:47

I'm just trying to sort through a fact

18:49

in fiction here, Tom, And I know that you have to

18:52

do this too, because there's so much that's

18:54

been reported. I don't like

18:57

nobody says yeah, that's absolutely true.

18:59

No, that's resolutely falls because Aaron

19:01

hasn't said anything, and it's

19:04

I mean, it's tough to navigate this, but

19:07

I'm curious of the national

19:09

view as opposed to the local view of this.

19:12

Are they different? Yeah?

19:17

I mean I think from a

19:19

local standpoint now, if

19:21

we're talking about the view of what this whole

19:23

thing is about, yes,

19:26

I think it's it's different if we're talking

19:28

about the viewpoint of how this

19:30

will end up. I'm not sure that you

19:34

know, the local people

19:36

here also feel like this

19:38

is not going to end well and that he's going to

19:40

probably wind up somewhere else. But

19:43

I mean from the standpoint of what this

19:45

is all about. You know, we deal

19:48

with Aaron on a regular

19:50

basis and know a lot about them, and also

19:52

know a lot about the Packers and Brian

19:54

Grutekunst and what

19:57

they've done to, you

19:59

know, build around Rogers. And

20:01

you know, there's a sentiment all

20:04

through the national media that he's

20:06

not had anybody to play with through

20:09

his most of his career, and

20:11

of us locally know about

20:14

Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson and Drew

20:16

Michael Finley and Randall Cobb and

20:18

DeVante Adams, and I'm

20:21

forgetting a bunch of people in

20:23

a really good offensive line. So I

20:25

think there is some difference. Yeah,

20:29

and then you start to look at possible

20:32

destinations here for Aaron Rodgers. Why

20:34

is Denver standing out over everybody else?

20:36

At least that that feels like Denver

20:39

is the front runner if he doesn't stay in Green

20:41

Bay. Yeah, it does

20:43

to me too. I don't

20:46

know why. I guess maybe for

20:48

one, it's got to be in the AFC, you

20:50

know, just history tells

20:52

us it's got to be in the AFC. Ted Thompson

20:55

delt Brett Fire to the Jets,

20:57

and Brian Boudecunst is a

21:00

Thompson disciple. He's not going

21:02

to trade him, you know, to

21:04

anyone in the NFC. I don't think that could

21:06

beat him. So that's number

21:09

one. Then you look at

21:11

Denver. I just think

21:13

that, and I'm

21:16

speculating some here, but John Elway

21:18

has got to know what an MVP quarterback

21:21

can do for him. They did it with Peyton Manning,

21:23

and Alway won two Super Bowls

21:25

at the end of his career, and so why couldn't

21:28

Rogers win too for Denver. That's

21:31

kind of my vice sentiment or

21:33

my thought on why it would be Denver

21:35

Now it could be the Raiders. I

21:37

think that probably would be

21:40

very logical. I'm not sure

21:42

that Aaron Rodgers

21:45

would know what he's getting into

21:47

if he goes to play for John Gruden, But

21:50

you know, Denver, Denver just seems more logical

21:52

to me. If

21:55

you could get real answers,

21:57

honest answers from Rogers or somebody

21:59

within the Packers organization, who would

22:01

you want to talk to today? Rogers,

22:04

no question. I mean, let's

22:07

hear it, you know, right right

22:10

from him. I want to hear what

22:12

his gripes are, what is real

22:14

and what isn't real? And is

22:17

he really dug in?

22:20

I mean, that's that's a sense.

22:22

I get that he is so dug in that he's never

22:24

going to play for the Packers again. But

22:27

then you always get the mixed messages from

22:29

his former teammates who are

22:31

now sort of moving

22:35

the dial a little bit towards

22:38

he'll come back. You certain

22:40

things are changed.

22:43

I don't know if it's going to require Briden Gruticus

22:45

to take out a billboard and green Bay

22:48

that he's sorry he drafted for

22:52

you to fly a lamp

22:54

over Lambeau. You know, I'm sorry, Aaron.

22:56

I don't know. I really don't know. Now

23:00

you just trying to figure out what

23:02

the time frame is on all of this, and so

23:05

Jordan's Love is not going to be ready again this year?

23:07

Is that? Is that right? That's

23:10

my gut feeling. You know, when

23:14

it was kind of tough last year

23:16

because train camp was

23:18

shortened, we only got to see Jordan's

23:21

Love a little and I'm

23:23

by we, I mean the media, and

23:25

then during once practice starter for the season,

23:28

you almost never see him. You just saw him throwing

23:31

drills on air,

23:33

so you couldn't really tell where he

23:35

was at. The coaches give you the

23:38

usual that he's advancing, but you

23:40

know, Brian Godkin's made it pretty clear when

23:42

he drafted him that this is a two or three year

23:45

project. And that's kind

23:47

of where I don't understand from Roger's

23:49

standpoint, why there's

23:52

he feels threatened about it because

23:54

he should be able to beat this

23:57

guy out this year and next

23:59

year and maybe even the year after that, and

24:02

I think he could fulfill his contract easily.

24:05

But you know, if

24:08

he plays like if he plays like he did

24:10

last year, this year, how

24:12

do they cut up? I mean, how do you

24:14

cut a guy? What if he wins the Super Bowl? How

24:16

do you cut a super Bowl quarterback

24:19

and move on to the next guy. I just

24:22

I don't that's

24:24

the part, the insecurity part that I don't understand.

24:27

Tom. Thank you for joining us. I know you've been

24:29

busy covering this. We appreciate your time any

24:33

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24:35

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podcasts. Tim

25:23

Kirchin, ESPN, Hi,

25:26

Timmy, how are you. I'm

25:28

good Dad. I have not been avoiding you

25:31

when I do that I used to be on your show

25:34

every Friday. It was great. Yeah,

25:36

you know what, I'm gonna blame Fritzie for that. Fritzie,

25:39

why haven't you had Tim Kirchin. I it

25:41

is a major oversight. I love Timmy and I

25:43

have no excuse for that. But at all, Fritzie's

25:45

always going, let's get for duci on and

25:48

I go in Rosenthal. I

25:50

said, wow, what about Kirchin? I did say,

25:52

Buster can't do it today? So what about We

25:55

were okay with it. It's great

25:57

to have you on, Tim, great to talk to you

25:59

again. And you know, we

26:01

were talking about this with the strikeouts

26:03

when we were growing up. If you struck out one hundred

26:06

times as a hitter, that was embarrassing.

26:09

Now it's okay.

26:11

At what point did it did we change

26:14

where it's okay to strike out in baseball?

26:17

For me, Dan, it came in the mid

26:19

eighties when Vo Jackson,

26:22

Jim Presley, Robbed, Dear Pete

26:24

Incavelia. They all came to the big leagues

26:26

at the same time, big strong guys,

26:28

swung as hard as they could. At twenty

26:30

five thirty homers year, struck

26:32

out one hundred and fifty times and ever since

26:35

then it has been okay to kay,

26:37

that's about thirty five years, but

26:40

the last five to ten years this

26:42

is completely out of control.

26:45

Now a thousand and ninety

26:47

two more strikeouts in

26:49

April than there were hits. It

26:51

is ridiculous. You talk about one hundred strikeout

26:54

guys DAN. From nineteen hundred

26:57

to nineteen sixty three combined,

27:00

there were ninety four individual

27:02

players who struck out one hundred

27:05

times, and now every year

27:07

we have one hundred and sixty guys or

27:09

so who strike out one hundred

27:12

times or more. It's amazing

27:15

what we're watching these days. And

27:17

it's mostly because the

27:19

stuff these guys see on a nightly basis

27:22

is ridiculously good.

27:24

The velocity is so far off the charts,

27:27

and yet it's the secondary stuff

27:29

that's even better than the velocity.

27:31

And it comes down to this. When Jacob

27:33

deGrom, Max Scherzer, Garrett Cole

27:35

are dealing and they're locating,

27:38

our hitters have no chance against

27:40

them. They don't just make it out, they strike

27:43

out. It's remarkable what we're watching

27:45

every night now. But also, and

27:48

I know it's I'm to get off my lawn guy, but

27:50

put the ball in play like put

27:53

put your bat on the ball, and

27:55

you don't see that. And this is what I miss

27:58

with baseball. It's subtle, but

28:00

it is the hit and run a stolen

28:02

base hitting it the other way.

28:05

Oh there's a shift on. Oh my gosh,

28:08

how about you just hit it where there's nobody over

28:10

there? So I can

28:13

you see somebody embracing what

28:15

Whitey Herzog had with the Cardinals,

28:17

where it's going to be speed and defense and

28:20

running like something that's counterintuitive

28:22

to what we have. Will we have a team that

28:25

does that? No, Dan,

28:27

we won't. That Cardinal team was built

28:30

for doing that. They played on

28:32

AstroTurf. They had a bunch of really fast

28:34

guys. They beat the ball into the ground and outran

28:36

everybody. We don't play that game

28:39

anymore, Dan, I did the game last

28:41

night, Ravi, Eduardo president I, and

28:43

we had two bunths for a

28:45

hit, and we had two sacrifice

28:48

bunts last night and one was

28:50

a squeeze and I almost started. I'm

28:53

so happy to see that

28:55

because we don't play that game

28:58

anymore. I mean, look at

29:00

the Yankees. I'm doing the Yankee game tonight

29:02

with Ravvi and Eduardo. The Yankees

29:04

don't have a triple. Yet they

29:07

have seven stolen bases

29:09

all season, which is a lot

29:11

for them, but it's the fuse in the league, and they

29:13

average about one double per game.

29:16

This is where we are. If you don't hit

29:18

the ball out of the ballpark, as most teams

29:20

do, you simply don't

29:23

win these days. And I

29:25

desperately miss growing up at

29:27

a time where Rod Carew would dump a bunt

29:29

and get a hit, Brett Butler would drag

29:31

one to the right side and get a hit, And we

29:33

don't have that anymore. And I

29:35

miss it because I think those

29:38

are the most skillful, exciting parts

29:40

of the game, and I think we're all a

29:42

little bit tired of just watching guys hit

29:44

it as far as they can and strike it out

29:46

three times in between. I was also

29:48

wondering about the pitching stats here. We've had

29:50

four no hitters already this season. If

29:53

it's a swing and miss league and

29:55

nobody's putting the ball in play, then

29:58

we're probably gonna the single

30:00

season no hit record, I'm

30:02

gonna guess, or we should be flirting with it right

30:05

well, eight is the record that was done

30:07

in the eighteen hundreds. But Dan,

30:09

you're right, we have lost

30:11

the value of the hit in

30:13

the game. Today, we're no longer interested.

30:16

Nor are our hitters being taught to

30:19

hit a hard groundball through that hole over

30:21

there. They're not interested in getting

30:23

a single. Last year, Dan, the

30:26

Reds who made the playoffs, had

30:28

more walks than singles. It's

30:30

the first time in history any team has finished

30:33

with more walks than singles. That's

30:35

where we are now. But I'm going to try

30:37

to defend our hitters because I'm with you on

30:40

this. Can we please just put it in play?

30:42

Can we please beat the shift over there? But

30:45

our guys have been swinging the same

30:47

way for fifteen years. They

30:49

have one swing and it's beautiful.

30:51

And if you run into that bad path, it's not

30:54

a liner to left, it's a home run. To

30:56

ask these guys who have been

30:58

hitting the same way for fifteen years,

31:00

Okay, we're gonna make a big change tonight. We

31:03

want you to choke up and hit it to right field,

31:05

and we want you to do it against Max Scherzer tonight.

31:07

Good luck with that. It's like telling

31:10

a basketball player, you know, the way you've been

31:12

shooting for all these years, we want

31:14

you to change your shooting motion tonight and

31:16

we want you to not follow the flight

31:19

of the ball. A lot of guys still do that.

31:21

That's a hard thing to do. So

31:23

I think to ask a hitter, hey, we want

31:25

you to make a change, and we want you to

31:27

go out and get a hit off

31:29

of Justin Bieber. Well, good

31:31

luck with that. So that's the

31:33

concern is this is a this is

31:36

going to take years to make the change,

31:38

and we're gonna have to literally go to batting cages

31:40

where ten year olds are hitting and tell them,

31:43

all right, this is what we want you to do.

31:45

We want you to hit it over there, and we

31:47

don't want you to try to get it up in the air every

31:49

single time. You just called

31:52

Shane Bieber Justin Bieber. I

31:54

did not, did I really? And

31:57

I wouldn't know Justin Bieber if I fell over.

32:00

I'm sorry what happened

32:02

to you. This is why we don't have Tim Kirchin

32:04

on Todd. Justin Bieber

32:07

is all about it. I'm

32:10

sorry that that's terrible. You know what,

32:12

We'll take it out of the rear, okay, So don't

32:14

don't worry about that. We'll clean it up. Well,

32:17

I don't know anything about music, and

32:20

I just found out the other day that Chris Martin

32:22

is the lead singer in cold Play.

32:25

I wouldn't know one of their songs, and did they hit

32:27

me over the head either, So anything

32:29

that is pop culture wise,

32:32

just leave me out. What's

32:34

the last concert you attended? Well,

32:37

I've only been to three in my whole life, and

32:40

I'm sixty four years old. I went to see

32:42

Dan Fogelberg in college on

32:44

a date that was a disaster. By

32:46

the way, then wait, why was

32:48

it a disaster? Well, me

32:51

and a woman in college. I

32:53

had no idea what to do. That's why it was a

32:55

disaster. And by the way, that still goes

32:57

today. So you were striking out before

33:00

at the rate of today's baseball players, way

33:03

worse than today's right, Yes, I

33:05

didn't even try at you didn't have a launch angle,

33:07

did you, right? And then my daughter,

33:10

my daughter in the eighth grade, we

33:12

went to see Yellow Card, which

33:15

I kept getting mixed up. I kept calling him

33:17

a green Card because I get I can

33:19

miss them up with Green Day or something,

33:21

and stupid me having been to one concert

33:24

in my life, I was told concert starts

33:26

at seven thirty. So I have five eighth

33:28

grade girls in my car and I think,

33:30

all right, concert starts at seven thirty, will

33:33

be done by nine oh, by ten, it'll

33:35

be great. They had like four bands

33:37

play before Yellow Card

33:39

or Green Card or whatever they were called, and

33:42

they went on at ten thirty. We got home at like

33:45

one thirty in the morning on a school night.

33:47

The women were like ready to kill me. It was

33:49

so bad. And then I saw Kenny Chesney

33:52

at Syracuse when we dropped our daughter

33:54

off for college about ten years ago.

33:56

So I'm sixty four and I've

33:58

been to three concerts in my life,

34:00

and I just found out the other day Molly Hatchett

34:03

is not a woman. Someone

34:05

should have told me that before this. How

34:09

are the Dodgers? Do you start when you start to

34:11

worry if you're a Dodger fan? Here, Tim Well,

34:14

they've lost fifteen out of twenty,

34:16

and during that stretch only the Tigers

34:19

have played worse than the Dodgers. Who

34:21

knew this is the ultimate beauty of the

34:23

game, Dan, the Warriors and their great

34:26

days never never had

34:28

a five and fifteen stretch

34:30

where you wondered, are they okay? The Dodgers

34:32

are gonna be fine. They got a bunch of injuries,

34:34

they haven't hit in two weeks. It's gonna change.

34:37

They're gonna be the best team in baseball

34:39

by the end of the year. But it just shows you

34:41

when people ask me when the season started,

34:43

well, the Dodgers win one hundred and seventeen

34:46

games this year, I said, no, it's

34:48

too hard to do that in today's game.

34:50

So this is a bad rough patch for

34:52

them. They'll get out of it. They'll be great before long.

34:55

Do you still play basketball? Yeah?

35:00

I played. The other This was

35:02

so bad. I was at a gym and I was just shooting

35:04

by myself and these two kids

35:06

came up to me, and there was another like old

35:09

guy in there shooting at another hoop.

35:11

The two kids, probably ten years old, said,

35:13

do you guys want to play two on two?

35:15

So I assumed the two old

35:18

guys would pair up and we'd have a little

35:20

you know, a young guy and an old guy. Instead,

35:22

the two little guys wanted to play the

35:24

two old guys two on two.

35:27

So that was the last time that

35:29

I played. And I took that ten

35:31

year old to the rack. To believe me, I

35:34

was pretty proud of because he was bigger than I

35:36

was. So now

35:39

you used to play hoops with Cal Ripkin. All

35:42

right, yess how good was rip You

35:45

know? Amazing Dan? He never played in high

35:47

school and he became

35:49

a great basketball player. I mean he's

35:52

so big and so strong around

35:54

the rim. You just cannot move him with those

35:56

giant legs in the lane. So if

35:58

I made this is terrible. I should never say this. He

36:01

asked me once, He said, show

36:03

me how to do that move that you do. Okay,

36:05

and it's a little guy move that If I can't

36:07

make that play, I can't play anywhere,

36:10

all right. So I show it to him. And it took

36:12

me like a year to perfect that move

36:14

for me. So I showed it to him, and

36:16

then we played like three days later and

36:18

he's using that move in the game. Three

36:21

days. It took him, but you know what he did. You

36:23

know what he did. He practiced that. He

36:25

went into the gym by himself and

36:28

worked on this little shake with his left hand

36:30

and then crossed to his right the move

36:32

I showed him. He had it in three days. It took

36:34

me. It took me a year. He had it in

36:36

three days. That's how great an athlete he is.

36:40

See, this is why we have Tim kirchin On. I

36:42

love Tim Kirchen. I don't understand how this happened.

36:45

Way too long. D doesn't have stories

36:47

like this, are right? That was That's my bad. I

36:49

got confused. Now Rosenthal does, but

36:51

Verducci does. Not a bad

36:54

phone line anyway. Oh we have a story. Yeah, Tim,

36:56

it's great to talk to you about he always you

36:58

put a smile on my face. You love the game. I'd

37:02

like to love the game more. Let's put it that way.

37:04

And they make it hard sometimes. Yeah,

37:06

well, we're getting back to it. Dan, don't worry.

37:08

But thanks for having me on today. It's really nice to

37:10

see it. Great to see you, Timmy. Be

37:13

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