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You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show

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on Fox Sports Radio. Jim

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Jackson, fourteen year NBA VET.

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He'll be on the call for the Hawks Nicks tonight

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on TNT. Then he's got the Sons

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and Lakers game three tomorrow night, also

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on TNT. Jim, thanks

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for joining us. Your level of concern

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for the Clippers today is what

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very high? Damn very high.

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You know, because I covered him all year. So

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it was a game earlier in the year where the Mavericks

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were up like fifty at half time, and

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I say, well, you notice an anomaly happens

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one of those games. Now, the Clippers weren't completely

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healthy, but during the course of the year,

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I mean Dallas just even last

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year in the bubble, it was something about that

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Mavericks team when they matched up against Dallas.

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I mean, when the Mavericks matched up against

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Clippers, that kind of gave him a little fit.

0:53

And you can see it kind of showing up right now,

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you know, in this early series, especially Dallas winning

0:59

both in the row. But you got

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big games from Paul George in big games

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from Kawhi Leonard. That supporting

1:06

cast is very suspect

1:08

here, you know.

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And what's weird about it, Dan is that during

1:12

the course of the year, Nicholas Done really

1:16

played well. Early in the year was you

1:18

know, Luke Knar who's not playing a lot because of matchups

1:20

in this one. Serge

1:23

Ibaka not being back in the

1:25

fold I think hurts a lot because

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that was a big component

1:30

of what they did, the Clippers with their you

1:32

know, dribill penetration, pick and pop. If

1:34

you help, you can pop Surge out and

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he can knock in that three, which also kept

1:38

the court spread. And that's not happening.

1:41

So you can bind that with the fact that Tim Hardaway

1:44

Junior is playing well, prizingis

1:46

is back in the line up playing, you got Jalen

1:48

Brunton, who solid, and of course Lucas

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gonna be Luca. I mean, you know what I mean. Luca has

1:52

been successful against the slipper team.

1:55

Everything is trending towards the

1:57

Mavericks from a matchup perspective.

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But again, you win

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a couple in Dallas. Now it's even serious,

2:04

but some things have to be changed. Level

2:07

of concern you would have for the Phoenix Suns

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youth is the biggest thing, even

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with a Chris Paul Okay Now

2:17

you're going back to LA and that like did

2:19

their job. You know how I used to be said, Dan, you go

2:22

in on the road, you just want to

2:24

get one game, whether it's the person's second game, and

2:26

you would get make sure you got home court advantage.

2:29

Now and that's something now the Phoenix Suns

2:32

last year in the bubble, everything was great.

2:34

It was isolated in the bubble. Now it's

2:36

a little bit more pressure playing on the role. But

2:39

I think Monty Williams the way

2:41

you got this team locked in. Even that Lakers game

2:43

last night. Okay, Lakers won it, but this thing

2:45

was nipping tuck. You know, it could have went

2:47

in the bound to a shot here of their

2:49

defensive stop. Phoenix could be up

2:51

to old. I just

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never know what I'm gonna get from Anthony Davis.

2:56

When he's great, it feels like the Lakers

2:58

are great and he's not. It

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doesn't feel like they're great. Do

3:03

you feel that same? What you want him? Yeah?

3:06

What do you think it is? What does your gut

3:08

tell you? I think he's some. He

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doesn't pick his spots like

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you should take over the game. Lebron.

3:17

Lebron is able to do that, but

3:19

he has to pick his spots. Anthony Davis

3:21

should be like, get me the ball, and

3:23

I said yesterday, get to the free throw

3:25

line. Don't be shooting fade away jumpers.

3:28

You know you got Jay crowder on you come

3:31

on, get to the hoop, make

3:33

them, make them make plays on

3:35

you. And then it feels like that opens up everything

3:37

else for everybody else on the team. Now,

3:40

did you notice at the beginning of the game they made an emphasis

3:43

that kind of really get eighties started.

3:45

I mean, I really get him now. He was more

3:47

aggressive yesterday, you know, really

3:49

looking for a shot. And I do think at times

3:52

he settled for bailing his

3:54

opponent out. But how many guys in league also

3:57

do that? I mean, it's it's a kind of a

4:00

different mindset. The easy way out

4:02

is to take a little jump shot instead

4:04

of now you pounding them back

4:07

of somebody. And now is that a fact that you

4:09

know the spacing is not there at times,

4:12

or you know it may be a double

4:14

team coming and you're trying to avoid that. I

4:16

don't know, but I know what a d

4:19

and the Lakers, and I think your

4:21

point is valid on this. Lebron

4:23

can't go thirty eight minutes and

4:25

kind of go he just can't. I mean, he's not built

4:27

like that, but but he is built in the playoffs for

4:30

spurs on when he can pick, when

4:33

he can go. A d has to be

4:35

a guy that's constantly going, you

4:38

know. And whether he's shooting or not, I

4:40

think is not The point is how aggressive

4:43

is he to attract in the defense to say,

4:46

Okay, we're gonna have to help or do something, and

4:48

then here comes okay, shot over the top

4:50

or he didn't make a place one

4:52

of his teammates. If I gave you

4:54

the Lakers or the field in the West, who would

4:56

you take? Oh,

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Dan, that's the tough one right there, because the field is tough,

5:03

man, you know the field. Now,

5:07

if Donathan Mitchell being healthy,

5:09

Murray being healthy,

5:14

I still got a hedge towards the

5:16

Lakers because of Lebron, you

5:19

know. You know, if there if there's a you tell me a matchup

5:22

when you think the Lakers would really

5:24

have problems. I think the Clippers

5:26

match up when well, but I don't know if they can get past

5:29

no doubt. I think they match up with them well.

5:32

Um, But but it's something about Lebron

5:34

in these situations. You know, do

5:37

you think you'll ever pick against Lebron.

5:40

It's hard. That's like asking you

5:43

think you can pick against Michael? You know what

5:45

I mean, because you knew you knew it was something

5:47

there, even when they got down to Portland,

5:49

when they played in Portland one or they

5:52

played they lost the first game to the Lakers. You

5:54

know, back then you're like, m maybe

5:57

not Portland, I mean the Lakers. It's just like, guy,

6:00

something about Michael. How

6:03

many times did you have that where you go, we're

6:05

facing a guy and this isn't gonna

6:08

this isn't gonna go well tonight, Like

6:10

you you can't say it, but you're thinking it. And

6:12

maybe all your teammates knew that this

6:14

isn't gonna go well. But you know

6:16

what though, Dan, Here's the thing. It's not so

6:18

much the guy. Like

6:21

you know that Luca is gonna

6:23

get hit, Okay, you know

6:25

that Lebron is gonna be effective

6:27

in different ways. You know back in

6:29

the day, Mike was gonna get it. What

6:32

gets you as the X factors, Those

6:34

are the guys that end up having Like Dorian

6:36

Finney Smith in that first game against the Clippers.

6:39

You game plan to leave him

6:41

open. Hey, you game plan that's

6:43

your game plan. It didn't. He makes you pay

6:46

for it. Yeah. Okay, how many times have we seen

6:48

Robert Ory have big games? Yeah,

6:51

Shaq and Kobe are gonna get there

6:53

at some point, even if they're not as effective.

6:56

But it's always the other

6:58

guys that end up

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having some kind of impact on the game.

7:03

And then those are the ones that you

7:05

worry about. You know, to

7:08

me, you faced Michael,

7:10

you faced Kobe, and you faced Lebron. Where

7:15

do you rank them? I

7:17

said, Mike number one. I mean

7:19

just for the sei fact that Mike

7:22

offensive being defensively, the way he attacked

7:25

in multipositions where you can put him, and

7:27

he was very efficient. Now Lebron

7:29

is very efficient. But Lebron to take breaks

7:31

during the game, and what I mean by Braggs is he

7:33

won't be as aggressive offensively. Okay,

7:36

Mike was always at that. Kobe was like that, but

7:39

Kobe would take some bad shots at time. Okay,

7:42

so he can kind of bail you out on something. But

7:44

when he got gone, he got gone. Lebron

7:47

is so methodical. And to think about it, that Lebron

7:49

is so methodical in this thing. Again, the mindset

7:52

is like magic. Okay, I'm gonna beat you with

7:54

this, and if I get it going from

7:56

here, I'm fine now with

7:58

with with Mike beat you from the three point

8:01

line back in the day, and not really but

8:05

rere throw line. He gets to his spots and

8:07

he really didn't take bad shots. And

8:10

that's the difference between now. The brun

8:12

doesn't take bad bad shots. But

8:14

Mikey was something about him, Man, it

8:16

was. And I played now, I played against a young Lebron

8:19

James just prefaced that I didn't play against

8:21

this older one okay when he grew, but

8:24

man, it was something. And Kobe was something else

8:26

too. His mindset, you know, mindset

8:30

was totally different. Any issues with the nets,

8:32

if I gave you the nets of the field in the East, Nope,

8:38

that was quick Nope.

8:41

And the reason why it is because it's kind of like Golden

8:43

State. Remember so when they had Durant when he was there

8:45

and played in step, more

8:47

than likely two or the three going to have a

8:49

good game, okay, and even

8:51

if one is off, it's maybe they're

8:54

five for fifteen, six for

8:56

eighteen, but they still got eighteen points, you know what

8:58

I mean. And they had a they got

9:00

a really I like Claxton. I like Joe Harris

9:03

Shammon if he gets his shot going on

9:05

like Bruce Brown m the question is

9:07

too. It's like, as you advanced further now

9:10

that the three are together. And I said this before,

9:13

they talked about the Big three a lot, Dan, but they

9:15

didn't talk about Steve Nash having the

9:17

Big three in certain

9:19

situations where now, hey, what

9:22

plays am I going to be comfortable running that

9:24

they're comfortable running because they haven't been together,

9:27

you know. Steve is still learning, yeah,

9:30

and so are they, you know, just being on the

9:32

floor. At the same time. We'll

9:35

be watching tonight Hawks Knicks at seven

9:37

thirty Eastern, and then you got Game three

9:39

Lakers Sons tomorrow night, also on TNT.

9:42

Jim, thanks for spending time with his buddy

9:45

anytime. Dan, appreciate your brother. That's the

9:47

great. Jim Jackson, fourteen year NBA

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co host of Pro Football Talk Live with Mike

10:15

Florio's Chris Simms, who joins us

10:17

on the program. Chris did the

10:19

interview in air quotes

10:22

with Shannon Sharp about with

10:24

Julio Jones, help or hurt the

10:26

situation of trading him. It

10:30

hurt I think more than anything. I don't think

10:32

it hurt in a big way. Now, Like listen,

10:34

I mean, I think like you, I mean

10:36

that that's not a good look. I don't like that Shannon

10:38

Sharp did that to Julio Jones.

10:41

And you know I said on the show yesterday

10:43

on PFT that from the sources

10:46

I know connected the situation, yeah, that Julio

10:48

Jones and his agent were ticked off about

10:51

that and all of those things. But at the same

10:53

time, I don't think it really hurts

10:55

the leverage of the trade really

10:58

ultimately, because listen, we all

11:00

know he's been on the trade market. They've

11:02

been having conversations with teams. It's

11:04

not like these teams saw that interview and went, oh,

11:07

it's official, he's being traded.

11:10

Guys, now we can work this against them.

11:12

We got the leverage we know he wants out

11:14

of there. I don't. As long as there's more

11:16

than one team involved, I don't think

11:18

it affects it a whole lot, except

11:21

it's maybe made it more

11:23

of a known thing that Julio

11:26

wants out there, out of there, maybe

11:28

more than the other way around. But

11:30

also with Matthew Stamford, you know,

11:33

the Lions just said we're open for business, and

11:35

I wondered if it was gonna hurt their

11:37

leverage, and they got a great offer there exactly.

11:40

That's why I think it's overblown. I'm kind of

11:42

with you. I don't think it really matters either

11:44

way. Julio's really good. As long as

11:46

teams start to get comfortable with where

11:48

he's at physically, you know, I

11:50

think there will be a bidding war. I would not be

11:53

shocked to see the Titans and the Colts

11:55

and the Patriots really

11:57

trying to get his services. I do think there's still

11:59

a lot of special play left in Julio Jones'

12:01

body. Okay, where do you think he

12:03

wants to go? I

12:06

think the two at the end. And this is another thing

12:08

I said on the show earlier this week

12:11

with you know, really same person that

12:13

kind of let me know about you know, the

12:15

unhappiness of the Shannon

12:17

Sharp interview is that the Titans

12:19

and the Patriots are two of the teams that are

12:21

on the top of his radar. For sure, they

12:24

make sense to me, certainly. I mean

12:26

both teams you know, really good.

12:28

He can be a definitely a big time missing

12:31

part as far as an explosive,

12:33

like one big play type

12:35

of guy for that New England Patriots offense.

12:38

The Titans have that in a j Brown,

12:40

But we know they like to play two tight ends

12:43

smash mouth football only have two receivers

12:45

on the field a lot of times, and they lost

12:47

Corey Davis and free agencies. So I think

12:49

that's one that jumps out to me. And if I'm him too,

12:52

I'll say this team that I would be, the Colts

12:54

would be it. The Colts to me are a fringe,

12:56

you know, and I know we need to see Carson Wentz, but the

12:59

rest of the roster they're a fringe super

13:01

Bowl window type team right now

13:03

too, who does not have that big

13:05

time difference maker at wide receiver. You

13:08

imagine if Carson Wentz is good

13:11

this year or really good

13:13

like I think he's going to, I think,

13:16

you know, he's with Frank Reich, he's

13:18

got protection, he's got a good offensive line,

13:21

and you're right, you get

13:23

Julio Jones, you had another weapon for

13:25

him, and Carson

13:28

Wentz could make a lot of people look

13:30

bad if he plays well with the Colts. I'm

13:33

more with you two, Like, if you made me bet

13:35

money on how Carson Wentz does this year, I

13:38

would bet on it's gonna be good.

13:40

They're really good, you know. I know last

13:42

year was a disaster, but you and I discussed

13:45

during the year. Last year, I mean everything

13:47

was a disaster there, the offense,

13:49

the pass protection, no run game,

13:52

no good receiver to get open. None

13:54

of that lend itself to like great quarterback

13:56

play. And then of course he compounded it and made it

13:59

worse. But I think the point is, let's

14:01

not forget though the year before that

14:03

he carried a team on his back and

14:06

got them to the playoffs when he got hurt against

14:08

the Seahawks and all that. And we've seen

14:10

other inklings in history

14:12

too, like the year he tore his ACL when he was

14:14

on you know, an MVP type pace. To

14:16

know that it is in him if

14:18

the supports around him, and that's why I'm

14:21

like you, I think it's going to be a good year for Carson Wentz.

14:23

Anything change in Green Bay in your opinion

14:25

after the interview on ESPN with Kennyman,

14:28

No, I mean, you know, it's more

14:31

cryptic Aaron Rodgers language

14:33

and signals and things like that, But

14:35

I think basically what he was trying to say, it's about

14:38

the people and all those type of things. I

14:40

mean, my take on that was he was going, like,

14:42

you know, about the people, about foundation.

14:45

He feels personally disrespected as

14:47

he's one of those important people you

14:49

know, in the organization, let alone maybe

14:52

the foundation for all their success.

14:54

But Chris, tell me understand this, Yeah,

14:56

Aaron Rodgers talks about the legacy,

14:58

the tradition, the town,

15:02

his teammates, his coaches.

15:05

Why would you give up all of that because

15:07

of one guy, yeah, who

15:09

disrespected you and didn't call you

15:11

the night they drafted a quarterback. Right.

15:14

I'm with you. I wouldn't like

15:16

abandoned ship for all those positive

15:19

things you've you've just mentioned, And

15:21

I think ultimately Rogers is smart enough

15:23

and legacy aware enough to That's

15:25

why I think he'll be back there. I think

15:27

that's kind of why he's been sending out these messages

15:30

through John Coon and everybody else

15:32

to kind of be like, you know, everything's

15:35

good except for these two jerks in the front

15:37

office that I don't like, you know, and

15:39

you're right, I don't think you sacrifice that.

15:41

Now maybe after this year okay,

15:44

where there's no you know, actual

15:47

commitment to him and all those things. Hey,

15:49

I understand that, and I do understand him

15:51

being angry about how that went down

15:54

and all the other reasons around it.

15:56

But I'm with you. I mean, they're in a

15:58

window. He's really good. He

16:00

can still put up huge stats and

16:02

when they were very close to getting to the super Bowl

16:05

last year, and I don't think he'll abandon that.

16:07

But if you're the Packers and you can solve

16:09

the problem by trading for Julio

16:12

Jones, then you say to Aaron Rodgers,

16:14

hey, we hear you. We

16:17

got to Julio Jones for you. Yes,

16:20

this is something both Florio and I have been

16:22

talking about on the show a lot the last few

16:24

days, like, if you want to mend that relationship,

16:27

that would go a long way. And you

16:30

know, again, like we talked about with some of the other

16:32

teams there, it just can't

16:34

always be Rogers

16:36

being perfect, you know, on a

16:39

nine play drive with you know, six

16:41

high level completions and he

16:43

had to dodge the rush a few times. To

16:46

me, that's the problem with the Packers. That's why

16:48

they can't get over the hump. It's always

16:50

about him being perfect. There's never like,

16:52

hey, I can throw a slant to this guy and he broke

16:54

a tackle and ran for fifty yards, or this

16:56

guy just beat man demand coverage and blew

16:59

by him and through a sixty yard bomb. They

17:01

missed that, And to me, those are very important

17:04

elements when you get to the playoffs,

17:06

because you can't always expect to execute

17:08

ten and twelve play drives and be perfect

17:10

and beat the better defenses in football. He's

17:13

Chris Simms from Pro Football Talk,

17:15

and I have a sneaky MVP

17:18

pick. Okay you want

17:20

to guess? Um

17:23

uh, Carson Wentz probably would

17:25

have been my guests as far as a sneaky

17:28

one. How about Matthew Stafford

17:30

maybe that? Yep? Is

17:32

that my right? Yeah? Damn see,

17:35

you know we're friends. We're friends, We're

17:37

simpatico, we're yeah,

17:40

we're in the trust tree together. Co workers,

17:42

we're co workers. We're co workers. Friends.

17:46

Oh, okay, fine, the hell with you, we're not

17:48

friends. Meet you at the dispensary. How

17:50

about that, I'll meet you at the time. It

17:52

sounds good. That's how I make my friends. I'll

17:55

see you. There a

17:57

better chance to be m VP Justin Herbert

18:00

or Matthew Stafford. Oh,

18:03

I'll go with Stafford. I got to see

18:06

the Chargers new head coach, new

18:08

offensive coordinator, you know, young

18:10

quarterback in the second system. I

18:13

have more faith than the fact that Stafford

18:15

could learn, you know, a system

18:18

that I don't think is overly complex, and

18:20

be thrust into a team that's really

18:22

damn good already and he can make it

18:24

better. And I think you know the wins and losses

18:27

and all that could add up to Yes, Stafford

18:29

McVeigh, I'm very excited to see how that all

18:31

works out. I ordered my Tim Tebow jersey,

18:34

but I was informed that I will not receive

18:36

it until July seventh. July

18:39

seventh, Yes, back order.

18:42

No, I think they want to

18:45

maybe maybe the roster and

18:48

that his number becomes official then.

18:51

But should

18:53

I have bought a Tim Tebow Jags jersey?

18:55

Chris, No, No, you should not. I

18:58

can tell you that that was a waste of money that you

19:00

could have gave to me and I could have spend to other places.

19:03

Yes, at the dispensary. At the

19:05

dispensary, right, Okay, so

19:07

it worked. Why did urban Meyer feel

19:10

the need to do this because

19:12

of this undying loyalty he

19:15

has to a player that he looks as

19:17

as a special player in person.

19:20

But I mean, I think it is risky

19:23

for for I'm sure a lot of the reasons

19:25

you've talked about and everything like that. Yeah,

19:27

he's gonna get the side eye urban Meyer

19:29

and Tim Tebow alike, and they're

19:32

gonna see how he's treated in those issues. But yeah,

19:34

to me, it opens up a can of

19:36

worms more than the you

19:38

know positives. I think that you can get out of

19:40

this situation. But if you were on the Jags

19:43

and you're a veteran, right and

19:45

would you and being a quarterback, would

19:47

you have any like would you

19:49

have an issue with this? And what

19:51

would you do? I'd be thinking about

19:53

it a little bit. Like I can speak to experience

19:56

of Tebow got to Denver right

19:58

after I was really by the Denver

20:00

Broncos I know that veterans

20:03

in that locker room were very annoyed

20:05

that he made himself available to the media

20:07

every day even though he was the second and third string

20:09

backup. That's the things that can bother

20:12

the veterans in the locker room,

20:16

Like he was willing to sit there in front

20:18

of the media and take questions and talk

20:20

every day on a daily basis. They

20:22

put up that billboard right about like

20:25

bench Kyle Orton, let's play

20:27

Tim Tebow. You know he never said,

20:29

like, hey, take that down. Kyle Orton is a

20:31

starter. All of those things I know that

20:33

rubbed people wrong in Denver in that locker room.

20:35

And if he does that type of stuff, yes,

20:38

he's gonna be he's not gonna get

20:40

a lot of respected in the locker room. The quarterbacks,

20:43

on the other hand, I mean, I mean, come on, we

20:45

know Trevor Lawrence. He shouldn't be threatened. But

20:47

I'm sure going through his head, is he gonna be like, wait,

20:49

am I gonna lead us on a ninety nine yard drive

20:52

and then we're gonna get to the one yard line and we're gonna

20:54

give it to Tebow so he can run it in the

20:56

end zone and do that. Like I wouldn't

20:58

lie if I was Trevor Lawrence. That'd be going through my

21:00

head right now. But do you think Tebow's

21:03

viewed as a self promoter here? I

21:07

do, yes, I do think

21:09

he is viewed as a self promoter. I think

21:12

players view him that way as well.

21:14

Yeah, I did. He was that way in Denver. He

21:16

was that way in Denver. I think people

21:19

have always thought he's that way to a degree,

21:21

even here. What he did in this circumstance,

21:24

you know, he caa

21:27

him. They release it the night of the draft

21:30

about the Jaguars information come

21:32

on. That was self promotion. It just

21:34

got squashed because oh, thy great one, Aaron

21:36

Rodgers came out with bigger news that night. That

21:39

that squashed it. But that that

21:41

to me, was part of the self promotion to

21:44

get this ball rolling, start putting

21:46

pressure on Jacksonville to do it, get

21:48

the fan base and the Tebow maniacs and

21:50

all them in Northern Florida to start

21:52

clamoring for it. I think that was all a

21:54

planned attack by Tebow and his camp. You

21:57

are putting out your quarterback list, I

21:59

am, is this the top forty

22:02

quarterbacks? Top forty quarterbacks?

22:04

Right now? Right? All things are equal,

22:07

everybody's playing on the same team. I'm

22:09

the head coach, and it's basically

22:12

my pecking order of quarterbacks. It's my

22:14

it's my depth chart. That's how that's

22:16

how I'm doing it right now. Who's forty? Um

22:20

case Keenum was forty Okay,

22:22

that's mclovin's guy, one of his guys. Yeah,

22:25

yeah, mclovin is real.

22:27

When he falls for a quarterback, he really falls

22:29

for a quarterback. He's got He loves

22:31

Andy Dalton too. Is Andy Dalton in the

22:34

thirties. He's he's coming

22:36

up, he's not. We haven't we haven't

22:38

hit him yet, but he won't be too long,

22:41

so don't worry. And you know, how can you

22:43

have a name like mclovin and not fall in love

22:45

with people? I mean, it's just I would expect that.

22:47

Yes, you know, Quarterback

22:49

Crush was this lefty kid out of Texas back

22:51

in the day. That's right, that's

22:54

right. It was a wise movie. Very well.

22:56

Cole McCoy's right handed. Well, yeah,

22:59

you're fine. You're funny. You're both

23:01

jerks and you're funny.

23:04

Are you going to so you already know your

23:06

top forty? Right? Oh yeah, I got it all

23:09

down, yep. Okay, definitely. That's all I tinkered

23:11

with all week. Last week, I stressed

23:13

out about it, Like I go to dinner with the wife on

23:15

Friday night and she's like, what are you thinking about it? I'm like, oh,

23:18

I'm sorry. My list, I'm always thinking.

23:20

So it overtakes my

23:22

life here for a period of time. Okay, is there

23:24

somebody I know that you're

23:26

gonna create some headlines here? You always

23:28

do, But is there somebody who's gonna be

23:31

viewed as being too high on the list or

23:33

somebody who's gonna be viewed as too low on the list?

23:35

Which which one brings the controversy here?

23:37

Oh? I you know,

23:40

when I look at it, I think there's like you

23:42

know, and I really I'm going by like my producers

23:44

and people. There's about three or four people

23:47

at different spots that I think could cause

23:50

yeah, a stir a crazy because

23:52

they don't see it the way I do, or whatever

23:55

else. Listen, or one's already happened. I made

23:57

justin fields thirty nine and I'm

23:59

getting eviscerated on you

24:01

know, social media. So that's

24:03

just you know, part of the game. It's the same thing

24:05

that I last year. I made two of forty I

24:08

got the same type of reaction and those

24:10

type of things. It's not disrespect to any of these

24:12

guys. I hope Justin Fields proves

24:14

me wrong. It's just where he's at right now.

24:16

He's unproven, he hasn't played, and I

24:18

had questions about him coming out in the draft. So

24:21

but yes, you know me, not that I

24:23

try to do this, but maybe my beliefs

24:26

and studies are just different than others.

24:28

I'm gonna have a few that I think are gonna But

24:30

you have Ken Mond

24:33

ahead, yes, Justin Fields, I do.

24:35

I had Kellen Mond in front of Justin Fields

24:37

and Trey Lance throughout the draft process.

24:39

To me, Kelln Mahnd, I'm

24:41

putting the proclamation out here that he's gonna

24:44

be the Dak Prescott of this draft, like the guy

24:46

that went to the fourth round and everybody

24:48

nitpicked him because a team reasons

24:51

and he fell and that I just

24:53

I look at Kellen Mahnd. Really,

24:56

you could argue that Mac Jones and Kelln

24:58

Mond were the two most pocket

25:01

ready quarterbacks, not saying they're the best dan,

25:03

but playing from the pocket, that

25:06

is where Mond was special to me,

25:08

an NFL ready special to me, where

25:10

pocket collapsing, doesn't need space,

25:12

has a big arm, really goes through

25:15

reads the right way, can throw into tight

25:17

windows. And that's NFL football

25:19

when it's all said and done. If

25:22

you're Kirk Cousins, Yeah, should

25:24

you be nervous? Not right now?

25:27

I don't think so. But I

25:29

do think Mond is the type

25:31

of talent that

25:34

Cousins is going to feel his presence throughout the

25:36

year, even though he's the starter, because he's

25:39

the guy. He's the kind of guy where you

25:41

know, guys are gonna come off the practice field

25:43

and coaches every now and then and go, WHOA,

25:45

did you see some of those throws by Mond today? Wow?

25:48

That was special. Did you see him take off over around

25:51

the corner on that bootleg and run fifty yards down

25:53

the sideline? Those type of things will get the hype

25:55

to where Kirk Cousins will feel the pressure

25:58

maybe more about twenty twenty two

26:00

rather than right now this moment. Yeah,

26:04

I think it's interesting and a lot of

26:06

the success and you know, this is the team

26:08

you go to and a lot of times, you know,

26:10

when like Joe Burrow, if you

26:12

put Joe Burrow on Kansas City, you

26:14

know, like who knows what kind

26:16

of numbers, but he's with Cincinnati right now.

26:20

I think that's what made what you know, Herbert

26:22

did with the Chargers, you know, a

26:24

good team and injury played team, but still a better

26:26

team. And I think

26:29

if you look at success, there are a lot of guys who failed,

26:32

and they failed because they went to a

26:34

bad organization, and they're

26:36

guys who succeeded, who probably have succeeded

26:39

because they went later in the draft

26:41

and got with a better team, a better organization,

26:43

a better situation. Maybe they weren't asked to start

26:46

right away exactly right, you got

26:48

chance to develop. The pressure wasn't on

26:50

them to carry the team right from the get

26:52

go. You know, like you're saying, the support

26:54

systems there already so

26:56

it can accentuate the talents. You know, I do.

26:59

I know you and I discussed this before, but I think

27:01

that's one of the things people like drop

27:03

the ball on with that, you know, the mahomes Borough

27:06

conversation. You're just talking about, Hey, mahomes

27:08

I know, any team he would have gone to, we would

27:10

have saw the talent and gone, WHOA, he

27:12

does some really cool special things. I get

27:14

that, But the fact that he got

27:17

to go to a team that had a good system,

27:19

had a coach that really, like you

27:21

know, was all about the quarterback

27:23

and really like lived it like

27:26

he did through his eyes, and then had

27:28

the weapons. That's when, yeah,

27:30

you get a jump off point to where, wait, we have

27:33

a great support system around this guy, and now

27:35

it can really accentuate all his talents

27:37

that he can bring to the table. So all the

27:39

idiots in the world, even the casual

27:41

football viewers, can go, WHOA, this guy's really

27:43

damn good. And to me, that's where a lot of teams

27:46

dropped the ball on drafting quarterbacks.

27:48

It's like the Sam Darnold New York Jets conversation.

27:50

Wait, you draft a guy at number three,

27:53

you make it the biggest thing in the organization,

27:55

and then you give him crap for three years around

27:57

him, and then you wonder why people are

28:00

calling for your head as a GM or going, hey,

28:02

you guys are stupid at all these and what a

28:04

bad pickup quarterback. You know, you just

28:06

can't do that at this day and age. It's an excusable

28:08

and you've got to give that guy support if you're going to draft

28:11

him high. Thank you, Chris, good

28:13

luck with the list and We'll be closely

28:15

monitoring so we can rip you as always.

28:18

Thank you, work mate, Thank you mates.

28:21

See at the dispensary. That's Chris

28:23

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28:25

Live. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick

28:28

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28:30

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28:32

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28:35

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28:42

is the Dodgers pitcher and eight

28:46

time All Star. A couple of cy youngs

28:48

and one. Last night and the Dodgers

28:51

won nine two. They won eighth straight, twelve of their

28:53

last thirteen. They beat the Astros.

28:55

Clayton Kershaw joining us on the program.

28:57

Clayton, congrats on the wind. Last night, I

29:00

was talking about strange injuries. I don't

29:02

know if you heard Zach Pleisach broke his thumb

29:04

after aggressively taking off his jersey.

29:07

What's the strangest baseball injury

29:10

you've ever witnessed? Man,

29:12

that's that's a very aggressive shirt take

29:14

off. How do you do that? I

29:16

don't know. I don't know, man.

29:18

You know you hear about the you hear about the broken

29:20

hands, like hitting the you know, hitting the water cooler

29:23

or um. You know, I

29:25

think that somebody like stubbed their toe

29:27

and broke their toe, like running into a table late

29:29

at night trying to go to the bathroom. I think that's

29:32

that could happen to me at any moment. So that's

29:34

that one that one resonated with me. Would

29:37

you ever make up an excuse just

29:39

because you've suffered an injury that could be

29:41

viewed as embarrassing? Maybe

29:44

not embarrassing, but like I think potentially,

29:47

you know, if you're hooping it up and you

29:49

know, maybe tarring al or something, you might want

29:51

to think of something else, like, oh, I was doing box

29:54

jumps or working out. You know, you might not want

29:56

to say I was, you know, on the court to

29:59

or a cl or something. Are you allowed to play

30:01

basketball during the season, you're

30:04

a I think the rule is you're not

30:06

allowed to play like an organized

30:08

league, but I think you're allowed. I'm

30:11

probably this is probably a gray area, but I think

30:13

you're allowed to play like pickup games. But

30:15

still, if you get hurt, that's probably not good.

30:17

You probably shouldn't do it. But do

30:19

you does each contract

30:22

have similar language of what you're allowed

30:24

to do not allowed to do. Yeah,

30:26

I think they all have. Like they

30:29

have a whole list of things you can't do, like skiing,

30:31

and there's some weird ones in there.

30:34

Um like they I

30:36

forget what else there is, but I know skiing is a

30:38

big one. But yeah, every like uniform

30:41

contract, has a bunch of things you can't do for

30:43

sure. What was the atmosphere

30:45

like last night? And was it what you expected

30:48

last night? I'll tell you what.

30:50

There's so many Dodger fans there last night. It was.

30:52

It was really cool. Um, they

30:55

traveled so well. They had a whole section

30:57

like down the right field line and then sprinkled

30:59

in throughout the whole stadium. Um, it

31:02

was the first night, ironically that Houston

31:04

allowed to max crowd, So that was I'm

31:07

sure they didn't do that on purpose, but that was. That

31:09

was pretty cool to see how many Dodger fans were there

31:11

last night. It was awesome. But does does

31:14

it matter to you? Like, you beat

31:16

them, but it doesn't take away

31:18

the sting of anything that's happened prior

31:20

to this, doesn't. Yeah.

31:22

I mean, if you ask me, I'd rather win last

31:25

night or win Game five of the World

31:27

Series. I probably would pick that one, you know, but

31:29

uh, I think, uh,

31:32

you know, I think mentally coming back here and

31:34

um pitching well and you know, getting a

31:36

win, I think there's I don't

31:38

know, there's a little bit of closure in that for me

31:40

a little bit. But yeah, it doesn't take anything

31:43

away. And I said that last night, you're not going to change

31:45

what happened in the past, and um,

31:48

but you know, to come back here the first time

31:50

and pitch here since that happened, I think there's,

31:53

um, you know, I think there's a little bit

31:55

of closure that coupled with winning last year.

31:57

I think, you know helps you know, I know it

31:59

helped me mentally a lot for sure. Yeah,

32:01

I was wondering about that that if you didn't

32:03

win last year, then that

32:06

probably exacerbates this. It makes

32:08

it, you know, stand out and hurt

32:10

or haunt a little bit more. Yeah,

32:12

it makes it harder, for sure, makes it harder. Um.

32:15

Definitely not something that um

32:18

I wanted to do coming back here and not having one

32:20

one. So that was that was. It definitely alleviated

32:22

a lot of some things. It doesn't take it away, you know, like

32:25

you said, but um, it definitely

32:27

helped for sure. Talking to Clayton Kershaw

32:29

up to the win last night, I think you said

32:31

recently, maybe last week, that

32:34

no hitters aren't great for baseball,

32:36

and my paraphrasing you

32:39

correctly, No,

32:41

I don't think that's exactly what I said. I

32:43

said no hitters are great for baseball, But

32:46

I think the great thing about is unique.

32:48

It's hard to do, and it still is incredibly

32:50

hard to do. Um. I was probably

32:53

a little harsh last week, but it just seems

32:55

like it has happened every night, you know, And um,

32:59

sometimes the great things about baseball that

33:01

they're so rare and they're so hard to accomplish.

33:03

So when you're seeing guys, you know,

33:05

no hitter watch every night, I don't

33:08

know if that's the best thing. But no hitters

33:10

are still great. They're super cool. I just they're

33:12

more cool when they happen less frequently.

33:15

Well. Also, I don't know if pictures

33:17

are it's not like, you

33:19

know, you're Greg Maddox and you're nibbling on the

33:22

corners. That feels like these guys are just saying,

33:24

here it is, let's see if you can hit it,

33:26

and the hitters are going throw it. Let me

33:28

see if I can hit it, And maybe that's

33:31

like I'm trying to understand why we're getting no hitters

33:34

and these aren't necessarily hard throwing guys.

33:36

So how would you how

33:39

would you sum that up? Of that we've had,

33:41

you know, this many no hitters. Yeah,

33:44

I think that's a bigger conversation. I think there's

33:47

a lot of factors in that, you know, like

33:49

you said, I think some guys like

33:52

Corey Klueber, for example, Corey's a picture

33:55

like he doesn't throw one hundred miles per

33:57

hour, he has a bunch

33:59

of different pitches. Is that he knows how to execute

34:01

and when he's going good, you know

34:04

that stuff like that can happen. And then you have

34:06

other guys just pure stuff, just dominating

34:08

guys with

34:10

you know, all the spin rates and you know, velocity

34:13

and things like that. So pitching

34:16

is pitching is really really good

34:18

right now and just across the league. And hitting.

34:21

I still think hitting is the hardest thing to do in sports.

34:23

And so as pitching continues

34:25

to get better and evolve

34:28

in different things like that, hitting you

34:30

know, has come to a point where they're trying to hit

34:32

home runs and it's not any fault

34:34

of their own. That's what you get paid to do. You don't get paid

34:37

to hit singles anymore. So it's

34:39

a huge, full circle thing. When teams start

34:41

paying guys to get on base and hit

34:43

singles and not strike out, then guys might

34:46

start changing an approach a little bit more. But when

34:48

you get paid to hit home runs and slug

34:51

and you're not really worried about hitting the two strikes

34:53

single the other way, you're going to have a lot

34:55

of games where you strike out fifteen and have some no

34:57

hitters. Does it help you at

34:59

all? Is a pitcher too, when you

35:01

go to the plate, like can you can

35:05

you tell what's coming your way? Like

35:07

a catcher. I always thought a catcher would be

35:09

a good hitter because he's so used to

35:11

seeing these pitches in the spin and and

35:14

everything that goes along with it. I know it doesn't

35:16

equate to that, but can

35:18

you tell what's coming? I know you still have to hit

35:21

it. Yeah, I can tell.

35:23

I haven't. I think I guess right like seventy

35:25

five percent of the time when I'm hitting, but

35:28

I just can't hit it. I'm just not that skilled.

35:31

It doesn't it I think it helps a little

35:33

bit to make contact. But at the end of the day,

35:36

hitting just really hard. It's just it's

35:38

coming really fast. It's just really

35:40

fast. But when somebody throws.

35:43

If I threw ninety five and

35:45

somebody else threw a hundred, how

35:48

big of a difference is that When you're at the plate,

35:50

it's yeah, you know, it's

35:52

it's a different person a person as weird

35:54

as that sounds like,

35:57

I face. So the last couple of guys

35:59

that I Fay faced Sonny Gray, maybe two

36:01

weeks ago, and Sonny he throws

36:03

like ninety three ninety four, and

36:05

that was the fastest, like fastest

36:08

fastball I had seen. And I don't know if it's

36:10

because he's a little bit shorter and like it it just

36:12

explodes that like I don't know why.

36:15

But that's why pitching is so unique, is

36:17

that everybody is so different. And sometimes

36:19

ninety three feels like it's one hundred and fifty.

36:21

And sometimes I faced some guys

36:23

that are throwing ninety seven that it doesn't

36:26

feel that fast and it's just the deception

36:28

of it or I don't know, but Sonny

36:30

Gray, I had absolutely no chance to hit

36:32

a baseball. What's the fastest

36:35

you've ever been clocked on the gun

36:39

back in my back, in my youthful

36:41

days, I might have gotten I think maybe ninety eight

36:43

the hardest I've ever thrown. Is

36:45

there a temptation to want to throw harder?

36:49

Yeah, I'd love to throw harder, for sure. But

36:53

you know, Maddox was a power pitcher

36:56

and then he became I mean,

36:58

he was a thrower and then he became a pitcher. You

37:00

know, just that he kind of graduated to

37:02

that is that? Yeah,

37:05

I mean the best, the best pitchers in the game are

37:07

the ones that throw really hard and know how to

37:09

pitch. So the Jacob Degroms

37:11

of the world, the Garrett Coles of the world, the

37:14

Walker Buelers of the world. You know, those guys

37:19

have the dominant electric ninety seven ninety

37:21

eight in de Gram's case, one hundred and two min

37:23

hour fastballs. But they just put it exactly

37:25

where they want to, and they

37:28

know how to pitch. And so that's why.

37:30

The great thing about that is you can throw ninety miles

37:32

per hour and if you know how to pitch, still have success.

37:35

So thankfully for some of

37:37

us older fellows, you can still do that. How

37:40

do you explain Jacob deGrom I

37:42

don't. I want to. I've talked to him about

37:44

it. I have no idea. It's

37:47

just a reverse aging curve. I don't get

37:49

it. I don't get it. But

37:51

it's it's pretty special to watch. And man,

37:54

he's such a great dude. I really like him. He's

37:56

fun to watch and

38:00

you can't explain it. I have no idea.

38:02

And I love watching Suz

38:04

pitch because he just pounds

38:07

it, like he just saying, here it comes. And he

38:09

and he also has great stuff. I mean, there

38:11

there are a few of those pitchers,

38:14

but there's just something about them.

38:16

You know, what you do, how you do it. De

38:19

Grom, but those there are more power

38:21

pitchers like Sures, who fascinates

38:23

me. Um de Grom. I don't

38:26

know how to describe that. It's it's and

38:28

imagine if you got any offensive support.

38:31

Yeah, he some of those numbers about his

38:34

no decisions and things like that are just amazing.

38:36

That's just sometimes you pitch

38:38

on the right day and sometimes you don't. And

38:40

so but with with Max, I love watching

38:42

Max pitch too. You know, I think just

38:44

competitor, you know, I think is the first word that comes

38:46

to my mind. You just you just feeling competing

38:49

out there, and there's just a few guys

38:51

for me that like I would I would pay money

38:53

to watch pitch, and those two are right

38:55

at the top of the list. M We have

38:57

a lot of guys on our team that I feel that way about.

39:00

Um. I think that's what makes

39:02

baseball great is to have fun starting pitching

39:05

matchups that you can go and watch and say, oh,

39:07

sure's a verse to Grom today, or you

39:09

know, Bueller versus Um. I'm

39:12

trying to think of anybody else, but yeah, just different

39:14

guys like that that it's just fun to watch. What

39:16

are your career numbers against Albert Poohles.

39:20

I know I have not given up a homer, but

39:22

I think he's hit in like three twenty off me. But

39:24

I know I haven't give it up a homer, so I'll take that. And

39:26

there's no chance you're going to give up a homer to him

39:29

this year, so I think you're safe.

39:31

They think you're one of the few that escaped Albert

39:33

Pooles. Hey, you know that was the first

39:35

hit I ever gave up, Dan it was to Albert Pooholes.

39:39

Did you know at the time about

39:42

Albert Poohles or what did you know? Yeah,

39:45

he was pretty good. He's pretty good. Yeah,

39:47

I knew, I knew, so I'll

39:50

think it was good. You remember the remember

39:52

the pitch. Yeah, it was actually

39:54

a curveball, three through curveball, and

39:57

it was my So it was my It

39:59

was my debut. And I struck out the first batter

40:02

and then I walked the next batter on four pitches,

40:04

and then Albert Poohol sat a double and scored

40:06

a run, and I was like, well, this is not going

40:08

great. Well,

40:11

plus it's gone a lot better since then.

40:13

But like, do you look over to the

40:15

undecked circle and you see pooholes over there?

40:18

Um, yeah, like my opening,

40:21

my debut, I was too nervous to even I

40:23

didn't even know what was going on. Yeah, I don't know. I

40:25

just was trying to throw somewhere near the strikes

40:28

on. Do we have a rivalry with the Padres?

40:30

Is it official? Sure?

40:33

Yeah? If that helps, I mean, if that's

40:35

if that's what we want to call it. You know, the

40:38

Padres are really good. They're a great team,

40:40

and I think it's gonna come down to the

40:43

wire in September, and you

40:45

can't leave out the Giants. The Giants are playing

40:47

really well right now. So between

40:49

you know, us and those two teams, it's gonna

40:52

be it's gonna be a fun summer. And

40:54

we've got to work cut out for us for sure. I think

40:56

I have Tattis on the show next week. Any

40:58

message you'd like to send? Uh,

41:02

no, oh,

41:04

he's Uh. If he wants to cool down, that'd

41:06

be great. If he wants to take you know, like a week

41:09

off or something, that'd be great when we play him.

41:12

How annoying is it having Matthew

41:14

Stafford in La? Like? Have you had enough

41:16

of him? You tired of Stafford? Now? I

41:19

think everybody else is tired of hearing about us. Huh

41:21

did you know he went to high school together and

41:26

now and now he's in the same town with

41:28

you. Oh. No, I'm excited

41:30

for him, though, I really am. I think he's

41:33

just uh, it's exactly you

41:35

know. I texted him after he got traded, and I just said,

41:38

you know, I hope it's what you wanted, you know, because sometimes

41:40

when you get trade you don't really have a choice. And um,

41:43

but he was so fired up. He's so excited

41:45

to um get out

41:47

there and get going, and the Rams are gonna

41:49

be a fun team to watch, and so I'm

41:51

excited to watch him. It's gonna be great. But

41:54

he didn't stay at your house when he first got out

41:56

there, right, No, you know, I think he

41:58

has has the means to find up. Yeah.

42:01

Yeah, he's my sneaky super Bowl

42:03

or my sneaky MVP pick this year.

42:05

What do you think? Yeah, he's I

42:08

just I really am. I'm excited and

42:10

he you know, he's got a lot left

42:13

in the tank and he really wants to

42:15

win. And I think it's a good pick. I think

42:17

it's a good pick. But do you get rid of all

42:19

your Lions gear? Uh?

42:22

I didn't have too much Lions gear. I had a

42:24

hat, so yeah, I'll probably get rid

42:26

of the hat. You you had a

42:28

hat as support? Well? What did Stafford

42:31

have of the Dodgers? What do you want

42:33

me to do? Where his jersey here? Yeah, I'm

42:35

not gonna wear his jersey around. I'll wear I'll

42:38

wear a hat and support you guys went to

42:40

high school together. Now

42:42

you sound like everybody else. Come

42:46

on, you're ruining the storyline. What's why

42:48

do you play? I think I'm probably

42:50

doing the people a favor. Yeah you

42:52

are. I don't know what people are gonna be

42:55

able to talk to you about now that you know.

42:58

Yeah, they're gonna talk about the World Series.

43:00

Are you know you turned

43:02

thirty three in March. Yeah,

43:05

anything else is great, man. I

43:07

hope the family's well. It's always great to talk to

43:09

you. Thank you and play nice in Houston.

43:12

Okay, all right, thanks Dan,

43:14

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