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You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show

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on Fox Sports Radio. You

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can't blame Dodger fans if they

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had become cynical, because for some time

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now the Dodgers were the best team in baseball.

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It didn't result in a championship, and a lot

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of people probably thought, why would this year be

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different? Well, it turns out there was one

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big reason why this year was different.

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His name is Mookie Betts. When the

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Dodgers traded for him from the Red

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Sox, there was a lot of hope in Los Angeles.

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Then that got derailed for some time

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because of the pandemic, and then once

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the season got going, the postseason arrived,

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Mookie proved just how special he was

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at the plate on the basis in the

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field five tool player Game

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six of the World Series, he had a six stitting

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double, brilliant base running, gave

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them the lead, added a solo homer in the eighth,

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And of course, there's a lot of credit to go around here.

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Clayton Kershaw, the rest of the staff, pitch

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well, Corey Seeger was the MVP. Several

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players contributed. Dave Roberts hopefully

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we'll get some credit here as well. But while

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Corey Seeger was the MVP. Mookie

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Betts was the MBD, he was the most

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Valuable Dodger. There's

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a lot of questions with last night's

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game, and you know, you

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look at let me just start on the field. I'll get to Justin

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Turner in a moment here, but just

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what was going on with the pitching

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matchup? We thought it was going to be a bullpen

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session for the Dodgers, And basically,

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let's see what happens in game six if we

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have to go to a game seven. We have a well rested

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walker Bueller, but you're

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using seven pitchers there and

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you allowed one earn run. Blake

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Snow was cruising. Blake Snell

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through the first four or five innings

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was brilliant, seventy

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three pitches. But the analytics

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will tell you that once he gets

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to the third go round in the

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lineup, that's when trouble happens

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for Blake Snell. That's around the fifth or

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sixth innings. So if I gave you inning

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by inning ra before

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last night, for Blake Snell in the postseason, first

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inning ERA is three point six zero, second

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inning zero point zero zero,

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third inning one point eight zero. Fourth inning

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zero point zero zero

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fifth inning, fourteen

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point seven three ERA.

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Now, if you're gonna make a decision

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based off of that the analytics,

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then you're probably looking at third

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time around. Top of the lineup with the Dodgers,

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Mookie Bets was leading off and

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Blake Snell was pulled by his manager,

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Kevin Cash. Here's what Kevin Cash had

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to say as to why he took out his picture.

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The only motive was that the

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lineup line up to the Dodgers features

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as potent as any team in the league. Personally,

2:47

I felt Blake had done his job and

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then some Mookie coming around for the third

2:52

time through. I value that. I

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totally respect and understand the questions

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that come with it. Blake gave us every

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opportunity and when he was outstanding.

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They're not easy decisions, and

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that's where I came to the decision. I felt

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it was best after the guy got on Bass Barnes

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hit the single. Didn't want Mookie

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seeing Mookie or Seeger seeing Blake a

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third time. Okay, if

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you're gonna, you know, criticize this,

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then you have to be critical prior to him

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pulling Blake's Now, the only thing I

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thought when I'm watching it is and

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I didn't know the ra in the fifth inning

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for him in the postseason the third time around,

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I do know that Mookie was not hitting left hander

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as well. Mookie after the game

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on Fox the post game was like we

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were happy to get rid of him, you know, I felt like I

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had a chance with somebody else. You want

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to bring in your reliever who hasn't pitched

3:43

well in the postseason. Are you

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using analytics with that decision

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when you bring in Anderson? Are you using

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analytics to say maybe we shouldn't

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be bringing him in because he has not pitched well

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in the postseason. There's something

3:56

about analytics, and there's

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something about a gut feel. The only

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thing I would want to know if I'm the manager, all

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right, let me see where we are on the pitch count,

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and I know that we're coming up with the top

4:07

of the lineup again. I just

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want to know what my catcher is going to tell me, and

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I want him to tell me. Look, they're not even

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close to hitting him. You know, he's still

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got good velocity, he's got still still a good

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bite on his breaking ball, like he was

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pitching so well and in such

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control there, but I don't know if

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if all of a sudden, you're catcher and I would

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say to him, you got to be honest with me. I don't even

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go to Blake Snell. I'd go to my catcher

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and say, I want you to put

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yourself in my position. What would

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you do? I mean, these are big boy

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decisions here. This will stay with Kevin

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Cash for a long long time, and

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Blake Snell maybe was going to get torched, maybe

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get lit up. I just I

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don't like being married to analytics because

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they're also has to be a gut feeling

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in the moment. This is the World Series.

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Because if I'm Blake Snell, you say, let me

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try to win, but also let me try

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to lose the game too, And by

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that, I mean let me stay out there.

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If I lose the game, I'm still

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I'm your best option. I want to be out there.

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I want to stay in I want to pitch as long as I can

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to win. But even if I'm out there

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and we lose, I want to be the guy

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on the mound. And it's rare when the

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pitcher gets to talk the manager out of

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a decision. Because Kevin Cash came out

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there armed with analytics and

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basically was saying before he got

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out there, I'm taking you out. And Blake

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Snell knew that. And Blake Snell

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was not thrilled. This is what he had to say

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about trying to stay on the mound and

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definitely disappointed, upset. You

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know, I don't know, I just want the bar. I felt good. I

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felt I did everything I could to, you

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know, prove my case to stay out there,

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and then for us to lose, you know, it just it sucks.

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What if he had left Blake Snell in and

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Blake Snell got torched, not the

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reliever, then we would be all

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over who today.

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You use your analytics all these months.

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That's the reason why you were the favorite in the

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American League, and then you went against

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analytics. Because

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we're looking at the results here. I

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just want to know what Blake Snell was

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thinking, and I want to know what

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my catcher felt like he was seeing

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and feeling and the reaction. You

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know, with the hitters too, how

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close are they? A lot of times you'll see guys

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who are right on somebody's fastball. You

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know, they always say, oh, he just missed that. I

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didn't get that feeling with the Dodgers, and

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then I'm bringing in a reliever who hasn't pitched

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well in the postseason. What were the analytics

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on that? Because if

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I'm married to the analytics to take out my picture,

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then I'm going to be married to the analytics

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of maybe not bringing in that reliever. I

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feel like we should just date analytics.

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I don't know if we should be marrying analytics.

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I just want to date. No, I

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think we should see other people, all

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right, eight seven seven three d P show email

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address DP at dan Patrick dot com. But

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mac love and you got a pull question for me? Yes,

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Paully worded it, and I like it, always

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trust analytics or your gut.

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So it's black and white. You can't go you can't go

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one or the other. Yeah, you can't be like, well,

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sometimes I'll trust analytics. I

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think it has to be noted that Andrew Friedbman is the

7:30

president of the Dodgers, and he's like one of the

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grandfather you know, he's one of the he built

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the Rays. He's like as analytics stud, theo

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Epstein one with the Cubs and the Red Sox

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analytics stud Jeff lu Now and the Astros

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analytics analytics analytic. Dodgers

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pulled a perfect analytics game last night.

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They did one ending of their starter. The

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Astros had different analytics though. Yeah,

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they actually were famous for their analytics

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and turned out was a garbage analytic. Um.

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I understand analytics. It's

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not like I'm an analytics denier. It's

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just I think that you get married to something

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and it feels like in that

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moment, you have to have a human element.

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How many times do you see something if we

8:11

did analytics. Kurt

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Gibson wouldn't have come to the plate for the Dodgers

8:16

against the Oakland A's because

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we'd say he can't catch up

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to Eckersley Madison Bumgardner

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probably wouldn't pitch as long as he did

8:25

in games with the Giants when he was so brilliant.

8:28

Like, it feels like some great baseball

8:30

moments would have been prevented because

8:32

of analytics. And that's the only thing

8:34

that I get a little concerned about. And

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I've railed against analytics from the standpoint

8:40

as I think it's taken the heart and soul out

8:42

of baseball. I don't think it's as enjoyable.

8:45

There's no movement. How many times do the race strike

8:47

out last night. You know, there's

8:49

no on base percent, like nobody cares about

8:51

any of that stuff. And it feels like I'm

8:54

celebrating Mookie Bets today because why

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in the field, great defense, on

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the basis and at the plate. I'm

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looking at everything that he offers baseball

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and that's what I love seeing. I

9:08

don't like one dimensional, and

9:10

baseball feels like his one dimensional.

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And that's where analytics sometimes comes

9:15

in. It's like, hey, you don't need to take a you know,

9:18

lay down a bunt, you know, steal

9:20

a base. You don't have to do any of those things. Yeah.

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Maybe, but it felt like

9:26

the Dodgers did some small things in

9:28

this series that helped them win. And

9:30

I would have left Blake Snell in if

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I thought Blake Snell was still

9:36

virtually unhittable. He wasn't striking

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out. I don't know the last guy he struck out,

9:41

McLevin. If you can find that, Paul, and do you have that? Yeah?

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He Blake Snell struck out the side in the

9:45

fourth ning. Seeger Muncie and

9:47

Turner struck him out one two three in the

9:49

fifth inning. He was it was a one two

9:51

three inning, but everyone got a bat on the ball, So

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that's the difference. So those are his last two innings.

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Yeah, yeah, I would have left

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him in. It's the World Series.

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If I knew if my answer

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was going to be a reliever who hadn't

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pitched well, then it makes

10:08

me stay with Snell a little bit longer,

10:10

and it might be one of those where I say

10:12

to him, if you give up a hit, I'm taking

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you out. But I have

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to let him still be on the

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mound there. It

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was a great series, a lot of drama

10:24

and a lot of heroes, some questionable moves

10:26

there, and of course we end

10:28

up with Justin Turner of the Dodgers, pulled

10:31

from the World Series last night after

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a positive COVID nineteen tests. We

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didn't know why at the time, but

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Turner went over three he had two

10:40

strikeouts. He came out of the game starting

10:42

the eighth inning. The team didn't give a

10:44

reason for his exit when he left,

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sources told ESPN's Jeff pass And Turner

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had been asked to isolate after the positive

10:54

test, but no one stopped him from going

10:56

onto the field to celebrate. Sources

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told Passing that in the second inning, the lab

11:03

doing a COVID nineteen test informed

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Baseball. Turner's test from

11:07

Monday came back inconclusive, So

11:11

that's in the second inning. It's unclear

11:13

why the results of the test arrived after

11:15

the game started, but we're trying

11:17

to get somebody who was on the ground there to help

11:19

us understand that sample's taken from

11:22

Tuesday arrived at the lab and turner

11:24

His were run immediately. When it

11:26

showed up positive, the League called the Dodgers

11:29

and said to pull Turner. The

11:32

Dodgers didn't have a choice in this. I

11:34

don't know how long they waited to pull

11:37

him from the game. I don't

11:39

know if this was a case of Jeff Passon or

11:41

Kenny Rosenthal maybe finding this out

11:43

and the Dodgers had to pull him or Major

11:46

League Baseball had to pull him. Why

11:48

you get results back during a game? That

11:51

was the strange part of it. What kind of you

11:53

know, COVID protocol do you have that you're

11:55

running test and

11:58

you're getting results back to a

12:00

game. Here

12:03

is Andrew Friedman, the Dodgers president,

12:06

on Justin Turner testing positive.

12:08

It was obviously a really unfortunate

12:10

endpoint of this

12:13

incredible series and definitely

12:16

affected some of the joy

12:19

from winning, just because of how much JT is

12:21

meant to us and him not being able

12:23

to be on the field for that final out with

12:26

everything he's done for this organization.

12:28

But you know, it's something that is

12:30

no one's fault. It's just how things played out.

12:32

And you know, we'll figure out

12:35

exactly how to proceed going forward,

12:37

because I'm going to assume that everybody's going to get

12:39

tested again after the game before

12:42

they go their merry way

12:44

after winning. Are they going to have a

12:46

celebration? Is there going to be some kind of celebration

12:49

in Los Angeles? Will they get together for that?

12:51

I think Justin Turner is a free

12:53

agent in waiting here, but last

12:56

Dave Roberts when he joins us a little bit later on,

12:58

and we're trying to get somebody who was there

13:01

at the game, whether it's Jeff Passon or Kenny

13:03

Rosenthal, and I know they're being pulled in a lot of different

13:05

directions. We're just curious about this

13:07

whole process and how it got to the point

13:10

where you find out in the second inning and

13:12

the next thing you know, in the eighth inning he's pulled

13:14

and there was no reason given. And then he's

13:16

out there celebrating. He had his mask

13:19

on for most of the time, but he

13:21

insisted on not having his mask on

13:23

when they had the World Series trophy there, and

13:25

that was briefly there. But Baseball

13:29

realizes it was not a good look last night. That's

13:31

why the commissioner said, you know that

13:33

there was a bittersweet moment for Major League

13:35

Baseball. Yeah. Point one thing that confused me.

13:37

I had like clarity on is if MLB knows

13:40

that Justin Turner has tested positive. Let's

13:42

say in the middle of the seventh inning, did

13:44

I wonder if they considered letting him

13:47

finish out the game since there was two more innings, he had

13:49

already played seven innings, or were they

13:51

in a position where if they do that that would

13:53

be disaster knowingly let a player finish a

13:55

game. If somebody found that out

13:57

right, then it would be that baseball. Baseball

14:00

has been so great they've had no positive test

14:02

for fifty eight days, none

14:05

and then you get one at this point

14:08

and was it a false positive? We weren't

14:10

quite sure it was inconclusive. Then you run

14:13

the test again and then it comes

14:15

back and then you say, we got a pulling from the game.

14:19

There's there's more to this story. I

14:22

don't know what direction it goes in, but

14:25

it feels like there's a whole lot more to this story. And

14:27

plus he had been around his teammates this whole time.

14:31

And what are the odds that if Justin Turner has

14:33

this, that other

14:36

players in the Dodger roster are not infected.

14:39

Maybe they're asymptomatic. But

14:41

you have wives there, families there. Oh,

14:45

but we're trying to get answers,

14:47

and Fritzie has done a great job. He's trying

14:49

to track down somebody who was there at

14:51

the game. Eight seven seven three d P

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show email address DP of Dan Patrick dot com.

14:56

We're talking about analytics. We just got a tweet,

14:58

Phil, who is a Cubs fans since eighty

15:00

nine, says the Houston Astros used trash

15:02

canalytics. I think that's a that's

15:05

pretty good crash cantalytic. Chample. I

15:08

guess we got to get into this at some point. How much

15:10

do you blame or not blame

15:12

Justin Turner for his actions after the game. He

15:14

waited till well after maybe

15:16

MLB officials were out at the clubhouse or whatever, and went on

15:18

the field, But he was told not to go out there, told,

15:21

but not physically restrained or anything. We

15:23

think, well, I'm saying, I think I know

15:25

what I would do if I were in that situation. I was just in Turner,

15:28

I would probably do this similar thing. I

15:30

would, you know, I would probably more. I

15:32

don't know if he's a Dodger in four months from now,

15:35

and I think I would probably go out and get the picture

15:37

of my teammates with a mask on if

15:39

I could. I just know myself

15:42

and my wife obviously, whatever

15:44

I have, she has I

15:46

have. But these are your teammates and other people around

15:48

you, and you can't be careless.

15:50

I know you want to celebrate, but you can't

15:53

be careless. I think I would have. I think I

15:55

would have gone out there and said, I'm I'm

15:58

possibly positive, and I'm gonna go

16:00

and get the picture and do two or three minutes

16:02

and then move on. I wasn't gonna do the

16:04

monkey pile with him and jostle around him.

16:06

And he shouldn't have been out there. Shouldn't be out

16:08

there. And if you are

16:11

out there, wear a mask the whole time. But

16:13

you know, it's just it's

16:16

that's not a good look, not a good look.

16:18

And it's an unfortunate moment

16:20

because it takes away from a greater moment that the

16:22

Dodgers won the World Series. Yeah, see in the moment

16:25

though, it's got to be pretty difficult, Yes it is. It's

16:27

got to be pretty difficult to lay off on that. But

16:29

you're already told that you're

16:31

take you're taken out of the game in the eighth

16:33

inning, and you're told by Major League Baseball

16:36

to not go on the field. It's

16:39

a tough moment. Baseball tells you not to

16:41

go on the field. You

16:44

your Dodger president Andrew Friedman

16:47

talked about it,

16:51

so you know, it's unfortunate

16:53

because we should be just talking about the Dodgers and

16:56

what an unbelievable season and Baseball pulling

16:58

this off somehow, making

17:00

at work no positive tests for fifty eight days,

17:02

and then we have one in the World Series. In

17:04

Game six, you had

17:07

Blake Snell being pulled from the game. Mookie

17:09

Betts was awesome, Corey Seeger MVP,

17:11

Clayton Kershaw finally gets

17:14

his World Series win. I

17:16

mean, there are a lot of great moments here, and

17:19

I don't want to spend a lot of time

17:21

on what happened with Justin Turner. But

17:24

I don't want to overlook it either, because

17:26

could this happen in Let's say this happened

17:28

in the Super Bowl third

17:31

quarter? Hey, Patrick

17:34

Mahomes, you're gonna have to come out. We

17:36

got a fault, we got an inconclusive

17:39

test here, or you tested positive.

17:42

But that's what happened last night. As crazy

17:44

as it may sound, that's what happened

17:47

last night. Jeff

17:49

Passon from the Mothership, joining

17:51

us on short notice. Jeff, thanks for joining us.

17:53

I hate to focus on just one thing, but

17:55

we're trying to figure out what was happening in

17:58

real time with the Dodgers and Justin Turner

18:00

and when everybody, Why

18:03

did this test come back during the middle

18:05

of Game six of the World Series? Boy?

18:08

Is that a great question? Dan? And the

18:11

one Now, there are two

18:13

things that I'm still a little

18:15

confused about. The first is

18:18

that I was told that the tests from Monday,

18:21

which should have been back before game

18:23

time on Tuesday, before Game six,

18:26

had not arrived. The results arrived

18:28

in the second inning and they said that

18:31

Justin Turner's test was inconclusive.

18:33

It showed some signs that

18:36

he might be positive, and right

18:38

around then, the tests that were taken on

18:40

Tuesday, the day of Game six, had arrived

18:42

in Utah at Major League Baseball's lap

18:45

for COVID nineteen testing, and

18:47

they said, don't rerun that

18:49

original and conclusive test. Let's just go

18:52

straight to the new one and spin

18:54

that sucker. And it takes about

18:56

two hours to get results. And

18:58

in between the second inning when they had the

19:00

inconclusive test from Monday and

19:03

the seventh inning when they had finally

19:05

gotten the results from Tuesday testing, they

19:07

realized that Tuesdays came back positive. Called

19:10

up the Dodgers to get him out of the game

19:12

as soon as you can. And that's why Justin

19:14

Turner sat down and everything

19:17

that happened happened. Okay,

19:20

but he's been around his teammates. We've had no

19:23

positives for fifty eight days.

19:26

Yeah. I don't know if Baseball

19:28

ran the risk of leaving

19:30

him in the game since he

19:32

had already been around his teammates. He you

19:34

know, here he is in the seventh inning here. I

19:37

don't know if reporters, I don't know if you

19:39

or Kenny Rosenthal like you guys found

19:42

out and Baseball had to do this.

19:44

I mean, I hate to be cynical or skeptical

19:46

with this, but it's kind of crazy. It's

19:48

just one unfolded rights.

19:53

Yeah, it's totally crazy and it's totally

19:55

ridiculous. I will say this though, and

19:57

correct me if I'm wrong here, because I might be off.

20:00

But I think if Justin Turner had tested positive

20:02

and had remained in isolation, it

20:05

would have been a part of

20:07

this story, but it would not have been

20:09

the focus like it is right now. And

20:11

the fact that he was out there on the field,

20:14

the fact that he went out there with a mask but

20:16

took it down taking pictures with his wife

20:18

and took it off when he was sitting

20:21

next to the World Series trophy

20:23

on his left, and Dave Roberts,

20:25

his manager, a cancer

20:28

survivor, on the right, who was

20:30

also maskless. You

20:32

know. Andrew Friedman talked about the optics

20:34

and how the optics were bad.

20:37

If that's the case, and the optics were bad, but

20:39

I mean it goes beyond optics

20:41

too, right, Like, it's just it's a health

20:43

thing, and it's a bummer

20:46

that baseball had done as

20:48

well as it had for as long

20:50

as it had and then when something

20:53

like this happened, it was pulled

20:55

off in such a

20:57

slipshod ugly

21:00

way, and I don't think, you

21:02

know what, to me, I don't think it

21:04

takes away from what Dodgers

21:07

did and from the meaning of this. I

21:09

think when we look back five or ten

21:11

years from now, we're going to look back and say

21:14

that the Dodgers won the World Series for the

21:16

first time in thirty two years. But

21:18

in the moment, it just it feels wrong and

21:20

it looked wrong, and you

21:22

know, you can have

21:25

a lot of excuses. You can say he's

21:27

been around his

21:29

teammates and people in the organization

21:32

in close quarters. He rode the bus with

21:34

them over to the park that

21:36

day, at twenty minute bus ride, so clearly

21:39

he was, you know, close enough to people

21:42

for more than fifteen minutes that they're

21:44

pretty much all going to be contacts with him at

21:46

this point. And that all the people

21:48

who he ran into on the field were people

21:50

who he had run into already

21:52

otherwives. But even still,

21:55

you know, Baseball had had done

21:57

such a good job up until this point,

22:00

and it's just it's unfortunate

22:02

that it went the way that it did. Yeah,

22:04

imagine if there was a Game seven,

22:07

like, oh my goodness, like Hey,

22:10

you know, it's interesting you say that because

22:12

let's say Blake Snell hadn't been pulled out

22:14

of the game. Let's say he continued to shove

22:17

the way that he was, and Justin

22:19

Turner's COVID test came back positive

22:21

number one, Justin Turner's not going to be playing in a game

22:23

seven. Number two. It's going to be at least

22:26

two days until another game seven.

22:28

And if there are more positive tests that come in, it's

22:30

going to delay it again and again and again, and we're just

22:33

going to be sitting here for lord

22:35

knows how long while this whole thing happens.

22:37

And you know, I hope,

22:40

I hope like hell that there are no other

22:42

positive tests that come back. But

22:44

if there were, imagine that these players have

22:46

to sit out, you know, upward of two weeks.

22:49

And the Dodgers are going out there for a Game seven,

22:51

playing with a

22:54

roster that's you know, three quarters,

22:56

it's normal size, but they're missing multiple

22:59

players who they would have there in a normal

23:01

situation. I mean, major

23:03

League Baseball is thanking it's lucky stars

23:06

right now that this was the outcome. We're

23:08

talking to Jeff Passon from ESPN, The Great

23:10

baseball reporter when I

23:12

watched Blake Snell through the first four

23:15

innings and it seemed to be cruising. And

23:17

I know what the analytics were when he gets to the

23:19

fifth inning, but I'm

23:21

just not sure this got the

23:23

Dodger or this got the raise here. I understand

23:26

that they are based in analytics. I

23:28

just didn't know if anybody

23:30

talked to anybody like the catcher,

23:33

did anybody say Blake wants to

23:35

stay in there. I just didn't know. This is

23:37

the World Series, this is Game six.

23:40

Guys have a propensity to step

23:42

up even higher, taller, in a bigger moment.

23:45

I didn't know if Blake Snell

23:47

all of a sudden was not getting

23:50

bite on his curveball, didn't have velocity,

23:52

didn't have location. All I

23:54

know is what Mookie Betts said after the game. Jeff,

23:56

He's like, basically, thank god he got out of there,

23:59

because I had a chance to get a hint. It's

24:03

really interesting and I want to make a

24:05

comparison that I

24:07

haven't heard a whole lot in

24:09

Twenty four hours earlier, Clayton Kershaw

24:12

was out on the mound having gotten two outs

24:14

on two pitches in the sixth inning, and Dave Roberts

24:16

walked out there and got absolutely

24:19

booed to death by all the Dodger fans

24:21

who were at the stadium there, And

24:24

we're not sitting here today talking about

24:26

the Dodgers as world

24:29

champions who were based on analytics.

24:31

What the Raise did was really

24:34

no different than what the Dodgers

24:36

did. Now, you can make the argument that Blake Snell

24:38

has better stuff than Clayton Kershaw, and it's

24:40

true, and you can make the argument that Blake Snell

24:43

looked just as sharp as

24:45

he did, but that's also you know,

24:47

running into the fallacy of what

24:50

you've done is what you're going to do.

24:52

That's not always the case. We just this

24:54

will be like an all time you

24:57

know what could have been. And

25:00

we think because he was

25:02

so great beforehand, that

25:04

he was going to continue that. In me,

25:07

if I'm the manager, if I'm Kevin Cash,

25:10

yeah, I'm probably keeping him in there. But

25:12

I'm saying that from a position

25:14

of privilege where a I don't

25:16

have to make those decisions. Yeah, but Anderson

25:19

hadn't pitched well, Jeff, that was my

25:21

point is I'm bringing in a guy who has struggled.

25:23

Yes, if you're going to tell me that Blake

25:25

Snell third time around is going to struggle. Let

25:27

me, I'm going to keep you in until you

25:29

give up a hit, and then you know that,

25:32

I know that, and then we will part

25:34

ways on the mound. But until then, I

25:37

mean, admittedly, Dan, he had just given

25:39

up a hit, okay, right, yes,

25:42

Like like Austin Barnes had hit the last

25:44

pitchy through, which was the ninety four point three

25:46

mile per hour fastball, which was his lowest

25:48

of the night up the middle. You know, Blake

25:50

Snell had been sitting at ninety six all night.

25:53

Now, I'm I'd like

25:55

to think I'm smart enough not to base my

25:57

analysis of a player on a single

25:59

pitch that he crew. Blake Snell could have come out

26:01

and thrown the next one at ninety seven

26:03

for all I know. You know, the velocity

26:06

on his off speed pitches in that inning

26:08

thus far had been consistent with the other

26:10

ones that he had thrown, and Mookie had not hit

26:13

left handers, he had not hit Snell. I

26:15

mean, I'm

26:17

not basing this off the results, because

26:19

in the moment I said, yeah, you know what, I would

26:21

definitely leave him in there. I

26:23

mean, I will say this, Dan, It's incredible

26:26

that Mookie Betts, Corey Seeger

26:28

and Justin Turner, who have been awesome,

26:30

all three of them. This postseason went

26:33

over six with six punch outs against Blake

26:35

Snell the first two times through the order. Yeah,

26:39

great job, and thank you again for all the

26:41

times that you got up and joined us on the program.

26:43

The entire season always entertaining.

26:46

We're thinking though your voice reminds

26:48

us of a younger Keith

26:50

Morrison from NBC Dateline.

26:55

I'll take that. That guy rules you

26:58

can you say? Oh

27:01

that pesky DNA?

27:04

I would love to. Okay, Okay, mold

27:06

on. Sorry, Okay,

27:09

I haven't slept yet, so I don't know how

27:11

it's going to come out. Okay, oh

27:14

that DNA. Enjoy

27:21

the offseason, Jeff, Thanks for joining us.

27:23

Safe travels home, gentlemen,

27:25

the pleasure is always mine. Thanks for having me. That's Jeff

27:27

passing from the Mother's Ship. Thanks

27:29

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27:32

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27:34

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27:36

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FSR or stream us live

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on the Peacock app. I have a friend who's

27:45

a Dodger fan who just sent me a video. He

27:47

said, oh, I see you're having Sean Casey on. Why

27:49

don't you ask Sean the time that he faced a young

27:51

Clayton Kershaw. And then he sent me a

27:54

link to the video and I go, oh,

27:57

that's not nice. I can't lead

27:59

with that. Was Sean Casey kind

28:01

enough to get up and join us on the program,

28:04

but I will, Hey, buddy, how

28:06

are you? Yeah?

28:11

You got your knees buckled? Well?

28:13

You know what, it's so great? I mean,

28:15

it's it's not great, it's it's just what an experience

28:18

is my last year with the Red Sox. We're

28:21

in Vero Beach, right and uh

28:23

and and it's like the sixth sitting. I'm trying to get

28:25

some work in. We you know, we're I'm it's

28:28

probably gonna be my last bat and

28:30

uh I look out on the mount it's

28:32

like number ninety eight. This is big.

28:34

Dude looks like a young kid, you know. And I'd

28:36

say to Dave Maggott and I was like, who is this guy?

28:39

You got? You got anything on him? He's like, now,

28:41

I don't know, man, It's like some rookie they just brought

28:43

up to get some innings, and I'm like, all right, So I go to Tito.

28:45

I'm like, hey, Tito, I'm like this

28:48

guy before. He's like some rookie they brought up off the

28:50

backfield. So I'm like, all right, that's cool. So

28:53

I go up there, you know, I'm leaving off the inning,

28:55

and I see a couple of pitches, you know, lining them

28:57

up Danny. I get in their first pitch

28:59

boom, ready to go wam

29:01

ninety eight outside corner. I'm like, and

29:04

I look over. I swear I stepped

29:06

out, and I'm kind of like, is it Is this a joke? Is

29:08

it's a joke on me? I'm looking around. I look

29:10

over Joe Tory, who's the manager of the Dodger, and tylerry

29:13

Bow. They're just like who They're

29:15

giggling around, like you know, oh man, they know

29:17

something I don't know. So I get back

29:20

in deep breath, you know, I'm like, come on, I'm

29:22

a I'm a twelve year vet. I'm gonna dominatet here. Next

29:25

pitch wham just one

29:27

of the most unbelievable hammers I've ever seen. It coming

29:29

at my face and I'm just like start buckling right

29:32

straight two. I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm

29:34

like, this is this is unbelievable. And now

29:37

Tory and those guys are crying laughing.

29:40

Next pitch, he paints it outside black. I

29:42

mean it was like ninety seven bam and

29:45

and look back and the umpire calls it a ball.

29:47

I'm like, oh man, that's like a veteran move, like he

29:49

doesn't know who this guy is either, but we've never seen stuff

29:52

like this. So I look back, I'm like, thank

29:54

you. Next pitch, I mean literally,

29:56

I thought I was gonna hit me curveball, boom,

29:58

strike three. I mean, just Tony's frozen

30:00

pizzas, like, don't know what the dude just right

30:03

here. I'm out right. And I walked back

30:05

and I said that Frank Cono, I

30:07

go, you don't know who this guy is, and

30:12

two year goes, I don't know, but I'm just glad

30:14

I'm not you.

30:18

You called that the nastiest pitch you ever

30:20

faced, that curveball that he threw you back

30:22

then, I

30:24

swear to you know, all those years in the Big League

30:26

station and different guys and Zito had a good curveball,

30:29

but I've never seen ninety seven like

30:32

darted down and then a

30:34

hook like that, and it was it was it

30:36

was like it was like he threw it up in the spin

30:38

and it was it was scary. I thought I was gonna hit me and

30:41

I just like, I like turned into a four year old kid

30:43

like Marmy. You know, it

30:45

was unbelievable. It man, he maybe looked like

30:47

it. And then then he got called up later

30:49

in that year and I was like, that's the guy.

30:51

That's the guy face.

30:53

And then when he started dominating, I was like, yes, he's

30:55

dominating everybody. Did

30:58

you ever talk to Kershaw about that had bad?

31:01

Oh? I did, Yeah. I think a couple of years later

31:03

at the All Star Game, I was working for MLB Network

31:05

and I was out there, you know, interviewing guys, and I think

31:07

one of the first things I asked them was, hey,

31:10

man, you did me dirty bro. I didn't even know who

31:12

I didn't even know who you were, And he goes, hey,

31:14

I had to go. I knew I was facing Sean Case

31:16

says something like that. He's like I had to get him. I'm like, oh

31:18

man, you got me, all right? Like I felt so

31:21

so small. I was like, I need to retire. I

31:23

need to retire. All right, let's start

31:25

with the move last night when

31:27

Cash goes to the mound. Now,

31:30

what did you think that he should do

31:32

with Blake Snell in that moment? Boy,

31:36

I just I just know as a hitter,

31:38

when there's certain guys that are on the mound,

31:40

and you know, I know, I know he had punched

31:42

out Mookie twice, he had punched

31:45

out Seeger and Turner

31:47

twice. And I understand what Cash is

31:49

saying because that's what they've done all year long. So

31:51

you know, I know they don't like to have the

31:54

picture face the line up three times. But

31:56

I know Snell was dominant. I mean, he was just

31:59

had great stuff. So for me as a hitter, if

32:01

you've punched me out twice, I'm not looking

32:03

forward to that third time up, that means something really

32:05

good's happening out there. And so I

32:07

kind of I just I love Cash, a great friend

32:09

of mine. I disagreed with it because I know, as

32:12

a hitter, get

32:15

this guy out of here as quick as we can. I

32:17

mean, bring a guy in with a rocket launcher. I don't

32:20

care. Just I I need to see something

32:22

else besides what's going on out there? So

32:24

I don't know. Man, I'm second guests in cash

32:27

and they're in the World Series for a reason. But I would not

32:29

have taken Snell out right Snell out right there.

32:31

Yeah, and Mookie said after the game he was like,

32:33

man, I was relieved that they took him out because

32:35

I felt like, I now I had a chance.

32:38

And you know, they brought in Anderson and he had

32:40

been hitting right handers better than left handers. Yeah,

32:43

I think, yeah, what was it. Mookie's slugging

32:45

percentage off off lefties was

32:47

like two eighteen, and so it

32:49

just didn't make sense. And Anderson was the one guy

32:51

too that like, I know, he's been really good

32:53

these last few years, but he hasn't had a

32:56

great postseason. He's the one guy felt like was

32:58

pretty hittable. And when Mookie got that belt, I

33:00

was like, oh, here we go. What do

33:02

you think is the future of analytics in baseball?

33:06

Well, that's a great question, because I really

33:09

I think I think there's I think

33:11

it's gonna come back around again. Like, I just

33:14

really believe there is something to be said,

33:17

like about the mental side of the game,

33:19

about the flow of the game, the mojo of

33:21

the game about really seeing what your eyes are

33:23

seeing. You know, you know, you

33:25

can't judge like I always people

33:27

always say about hitting. I'm like, listen when

33:29

I'm in the box, like I really am trying

33:32

to dump things down. I'm trying to see the ball

33:34

and hit the ball like I'm really trying to

33:36

like, uh, you know, slow the game

33:38

down. Like there's no analytics that can

33:40

help me with that stuff, and you need a human

33:42

being to be able to measure. Hey,

33:44

man, he's really seeing the ball, whether it or he's feeling

33:47

good today. I talked to when he came to the yard.

33:49

So I think there's gonna be I think there's

33:51

gonna be more of that. I think we're starting to get analytics

33:53

heavy, and I just think it's the cycle

33:56

is gonna bring it back to Hey, we still need

33:58

those baseball guys that have that that past

34:00

the eye test. I love that

34:02

Mookie Bets was on display for the nation

34:04

to see because I baseball

34:07

has become regional, but I'm

34:09

I'm glad that people got to see

34:11

him and he does everything. He's not one

34:14

dimensional, which a lot of our baseball

34:16

players now are one dimensional, or it feels

34:18

that way he did it on the basis.

34:20

He did it in the field, he did it at the plate,

34:22

and I can't say enough about

34:25

him. I love watching him play. I think he's

34:27

very smart. He's

34:29

not a big guy, but he's

34:32

not afraid. And I know, Seeger got

34:34

the MVP. I think that, you

34:36

know, I think Mookie was the MVD

34:39

the most Valuable Dodger. Yeah,

34:41

I think so. I mean, I think he put them over the top

34:43

two. I think without Mookie bets, they don't win the whole

34:45

thing. And you're right, Danny Man, when

34:47

you watch him play, it's everything you'd want

34:49

to bring your son to watch, Like, you know, hey,

34:51

watch this guy hit. Then when he gets on base, it's

34:53

like, okay, now you're a base runner. You

34:55

know. He he does everything, the way

34:57

he cuts the corners, the way he gets jumps. I

35:00

loved it. Last night after the game, they asked him about,

35:02

you know, the read he got, you know, scoring

35:04

scoring from third base, and he said, hey, listen, I

35:06

knew I needed to get a big secondary. I knew I

35:09

needed to get going quickly, and I was

35:11

able to do that. Like, I just love the

35:13

fact that he runs the base as well.

35:15

He plays gold glove defense, He hustles on and

35:17

off the field, he can hit. He just does

35:19

everything that you would want to see a baseball player

35:21

do, and that's why he's one of the best in the game. I

35:24

brought this up to the commissioner last week, where

35:26

I understand you're gonna have a shift, but

35:29

I can't have I would prefer

35:32

not to have the shortstop on the other side of

35:34

second base or second base

35:36

on the other side of you

35:38

know, second base with the shortstop.

35:40

I just don't want extreme shifts.

35:43

Is that am I asking

35:45

too much? There? Is it fixable? I

35:49

mean I kind of feel the same way you do. I don't

35:52

know, like is it like the illegal defense

35:54

kind of thing in the NBA or you know what I mean. I

35:56

think I feel the same way

35:59

sometimes too. And you know, it's such a big deal now,

36:01

it's such a big thing to see. Hey, guys

36:03

are beating the shift in the postseason. They're going the

36:05

other way. They're staying inside it, you know, and

36:07

and you know people always say, well, if they start

36:10

to do that, they'll they'll shift back. Well, you're

36:12

not gonna ask your big power hitters

36:15

to just beat the shift all the time. You got

36:17

to actually hit the ball out of the ballpark nowadays

36:19

in this game. But I agree with you, man, I

36:21

don't. I don't love the shift. And I know people say,

36:23

hey, it's a strategy thing. I get it, but you

36:25

know, everyone's on one side of the field, and like,

36:28

I don't, I don't love it. And

36:30

the Justin Turner situation last night,

36:32

Like, how bizarre is

36:35

this that in the middle of Game

36:37

six of the World Series. I

36:40

mean, I don't know what would happen if there was a Game seven

36:43

because Justin Turner was around all of his teammates.

36:47

I mean, nothing had changed. It felt like once

36:49

the game started, Sean,

36:52

then you know what, everybody

36:54

gets to play the rest of the game.

36:56

I don't know, it just felt you

36:59

imagine this in the third quarter

37:01

somebody's you know, they have an inconclusive

37:04

test and then they take another one and they go out

37:06

and play, and then they go in the third quarter, hey,

37:09

uh, you know, Tom Brady, come here, you gotta

37:11

sit down. You you tested positive? Oh

37:14

my gosh, no, I mean seriously, I

37:17

mean it's crazy. It's almost part

37:19

for the course for this year. You know, it's just

37:21

oh the World Series, you're just number three hitter

37:23

has COVID in the middle of the game. It's

37:26

crazy. And it was because Joe

37:28

Buck kept saying, you know, Turners out of the game, We'll have to find

37:30

out why. I mean, I never would have in my wildest

37:33

dreams thought, yeah, he left the game in the middle

37:35

of the game with COVID, Like, that's just

37:37

crazy. And then you run onto the field too,

37:40

you know, after this, and he had been told he'd

37:43

been told not to go out there on the field.

37:45

I know you want to celebrate, but and

37:48

maybe he thought, look, I've been around these

37:50

guys, I'm going out there to celebrate. I understand

37:52

where what his thought process is.

37:55

But for major League Baseball, you can't

37:57

let Justin Turner go out there. If you're pulling

37:59

in from the game, you can't go on the field to celebrate.

38:03

Yeah, I'm sure emotions were so

38:05

high with with with Turner and that, you

38:07

know, I don't know, you know, I don't know what I would

38:09

have done there, but yeah, you're right. I mean, it's it's one

38:12

of those things where it's a it's a very

38:14

touchy thing, and you know you don't want to put other people

38:16

in danger. Well, I would want to go out and celebrate

38:18

with my teammates. I don't even know if I'll be with the

38:20

Dodgers next year. He's a free agent. I understand

38:23

it's the best, biggest moment of your baseball

38:25

career, but major League Baseball

38:27

or the Dodgers have to say justin

38:30

you can't go out there, you can't go

38:32

out Yeah. I mean it's tough. YEP,

38:34

I agree. I agree with you. Anybody

38:38

have more energy than you. Yeah,

38:43

Brett Phillips, I think does did

38:46

you ever have a manager get talked

38:49

out of taking a pitch like you would be on the mound

38:51

at first base? Did you ever hear a conversation where

38:53

a pitcher talked his manager out

38:55

of taking him out of a game? Was

38:58

there any weird let

39:01

me see him? Yeah,

39:04

I'm sure I did. I can't think it went off the off

39:06

the top of my head. It doesn't. I didn't. It didn't happen

39:09

too often. I mean, there might have been one or

39:11

two times, but you know, I'm

39:14

sure I did it. But I you know, I love it. I love

39:16

it when when you you're able to have

39:18

that conversation, if the manager comes out and the

39:20

and the pitcher says no, I'm not coming

39:22

out of this game. And you know, I don't

39:24

know if that happens the way it did back in the day,

39:26

Danny, but you know I've

39:29

seen it a couple of times. You never went

39:32

to the manager and said, you know what, I think you should

39:34

pull in. No,

39:37

I never did, never, did you know? I kind of relied

39:39

on the manager to just to just, you know, do

39:41

that. I remember Dave Dave Miley,

39:43

when Dave Miley one time came out to the Mount and

39:46

he was like, we came, you know, we were meeting at the

39:48

Mount and hadn't got anybody. He's like, about

39:50

to get the lefty. He looked at me, He's like, in case,

39:52

I gotta go with the lefty right here. I'm like, I don't

39:54

know. I just played first bat. That's

39:56

you're deciding. I don't know, get

39:59

the left e the right you every day just do

40:01

it. Did a pitcher ever ask the manager to

40:03

have you pulled from the game. Thanks

40:12

for getting up. Always great to see you enjoy the offseason

40:15

there, Sean, Thank you, buddy. Okay, Danny,

40:17

thanks a lot man. Brother, that's Sean Casey.

40:20

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40:22

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40:25

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40:42

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40:46

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40:48

paperwork here promoting his serial Josh's

40:51

Jacks, with the proceeds

40:53

benefiting the Children Hospital in

40:56

Buffalo. First place in the AFC

40:58

West. They won Sunday against the Jet Actually got

41:00

the Patriots coming up this

41:02

weekend and kind enough to join us

41:04

with an interesting sweatshirt?

41:06

What's it say on the front of your sweatshirt?

41:09

There? Uh?

41:11

This says talentless? Okay,

41:15

okay, why

41:18

it's it's a brand. It's Scott Dizzy and

41:20

he's got a it's his brand. I like their

41:22

their stuff. It wasn't like a play

41:25

on anything. I don't know. I just I like a brand. Oh

41:27

wait, Scott from the Kardashians.

41:31

That's right. Yeah, have you met him?

41:35

No? Never, I just I'm not gonna lie

41:37

to you. I was on Instagram one day and this

41:39

ad popped up and it was targeted obviously

41:41

for me, and I thought it was a cool brand. And I

41:44

bought one sweatshirt and the sweatshirt is so comfortable.

41:46

Ended up buying like six more of them, so I

41:48

wear them all the time. But

41:51

you you're not talentless?

41:54

No, no, not at all. Is

41:58

that your Is that the Buffalo

42:01

Bills facility ye're in? Or

42:03

are you at home? Not in my house

42:05

right now? What's the

42:07

coolest thing in your house? Um?

42:11

I've got my Elvis post up here. Oh okay,

42:14

big Elvis fan. Um, coolest

42:17

thing in my house? I don't. I don't have many cool

42:19

things. If you will,

42:22

Um, I don't. I don't buy a whole

42:24

lot of things. So that that's that's

42:26

my most prized possession. Have you got my tato

42:30

full MVP downstairs? Sill? So? Have

42:32

you been to Graceland? I've

42:35

never actually been to Graceland. Oh

42:38

I need I need to get down there. You got to do the whole

42:40

tour. Man, if you love Elvis,

42:42

you go to on that tour. It's awesome.

42:46

Yeah, that's that's that's on the bucket list

42:48

for sure. Uh so are

42:50

you an MVP candidate? How do you ract

42:52

when you hear that? Um?

42:55

I mean, I'm just trying to do my job to

42:58

be honest and be the best quarterback

43:00

I could, best teammate that I could be

43:02

for the Buffalo Bills at that, like

43:05

I said, has me throwing for three

43:07

hundred yards and five touchdowns or throwing for one hundred

43:10

yards and zero touchdowns, or whatever the case may

43:12

be, to put us in position to win a football

43:14

game. That's that's what I'm for. So I really

43:16

don't care about any of the other accolades,

43:18

but being in that contention means our

43:20

team's winning and we're doing what we're supposed

43:22

to do, So I'm all for it. Do you play

43:24

with a chip on your shoulder? Yeah?

43:28

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that it goes

43:30

back to zero

43:33

recruit their zero offers at high school and one

43:35

out of junior college and

43:38

then just kind of being nitpicked and picked apart by

43:40

everybody it seems like in the media, But I

43:44

really don't. I tried truma best

43:46

and not really pay attention to all that stuff, and like

43:48

I said, folks, on being the best that I can be, and um,

43:51

you know, I'm a realist, and

43:54

you know, I acknowledge the flaws in my game

43:56

and me trying to get better and trying

43:59

to work on these flaws and um,

44:01

you know, being self aware, in my opinion, is one of

44:03

the greatest traits that you can have, especially as a leader

44:05

of a football team. What's your biggest flaw? Um?

44:09

I mean, I think that you know, they're early

44:11

on just being the home run first mentality,

44:14

you know, putting myself

44:17

in the ball in harm's way too

44:19

early and you know, too too

44:21

often. And I think I've kind of toned back on that

44:23

and I've had a lot of help along the way and

44:25

being able to work on my mechanics M

44:28

one but two also times up with that with

44:30

uh, you know, the knowledge of the game and knowledge

44:32

of our offense and um,

44:34

you know, I think in one area this this offseason

44:37

I've gotten really good at is no one where I'm

44:39

protected, no one where

44:41

um my eyes need to go. You know, I had

44:43

to snap, you know, trying to decipher

44:45

what a defense is doing and then just trying to find

44:48

the right answer. Do you

44:50

avoid the hits enough? Not

44:54

enough? No? Um? And I need

44:56

to you know, going back to this last game.

44:58

There's a couple where I probably could have just slip, but um

45:01

something about you know, putting

45:03

my body in the line for for my team. That no,

45:06

no, Josh from Josh, No,

45:08

I I know, no,

45:11

no, What would your mom

45:13

say if we lost? You? Like, you can't do

45:15

that? You slide? I know, and

45:19

I get the best ability is availability

45:22

and I understand that. It just I

45:25

slid once last game. I slid twice the game

45:27

before. So I'm definitely keeping

45:29

the tally found me times I'm sliding. But uh,

45:32

if if it's third down, if it's forked down,

45:34

I gotta put my body in the line to to go get it.

45:36

I'm gonna go do it. You were a baseball player,

45:38

you know how to slide. Come on, I

45:43

know I was more of a picture though. You

45:45

still know how to slide. Yeah,

45:49

what's what's the worst yelling that

45:51

you've got from coach McDermott, Like the worst

45:53

airing out?

45:57

I Coach McDermott.

45:59

He's more kind of a defensive minded head coach, so

46:01

he's he just trying to tries to give me knowledge

46:05

as far as defensive terminology and

46:07

scheme goes Coach Dable, it

46:10

was my first year and we

46:13

were running just a simple spot concept.

46:15

It was a flat a little stick route in the corner

46:17

route and we were in the red zone and

46:19

the flat pop free right away and our read

46:21

it is bottom up. You read it low to high load

46:24

of high. And

46:26

my buddy Austin Prole was running the corner route

46:28

and I try to stick in the back shoulder

46:30

and didn't work out. And I mean, in

46:33

my headset, immediately I could hear Coach Dable

46:35

going off. I look over to the side.

46:37

He's beat red, and I mean

46:40

he let me have it for a good five minutes. And then

46:42

also he calmed down and he starts thinking

46:44

about it again, he gets even more angry.

46:46

But it's just one of those times where like I

46:48

knew what I knew, I was wrong, and there's nothing I can

46:51

say to you that's gonna make you feel better except

46:53

go up the next time and read it bottom up.

46:56

You can't turn the volume down in your helmet,

47:00

no, unfortunately not, and

47:03

you gotta eat like those are the situations

47:05

where you just kind of have to trust your equipment manager

47:07

and your equipment staff to be like, I hope

47:09

you guys didn't turn this too loud because sometimes it is

47:12

like kind of painful when and when he's screaming

47:14

as you so um that that

47:16

that was a long time ago, and you know he hasn't

47:18

had much to scream about in the last couple

47:20

of years. So that's that's been good. He's

47:22

Josh Allen, the Bill's quarterback. What was your

47:24

welcome to the NFL momentum?

47:31

I mean, I think, you

47:34

know, I was playing the Chargers that was my first start.

47:37

I think just kind of the boat racing that

47:39

they put on us that game, the blizz the pressor

47:42

um, you know, Melvin Ingram and Bosa

47:44

got after me a couple of times. I think Darwin

47:47

James hit me pretty good, but I did shake

47:49

off one of his tackles. But I think

47:51

it was that game just being like this

47:53

is fast, because I mean I was thrown into the mix

47:56

the week prior at half, right after halftime

47:59

against Baltimore, and like

48:01

I said, it was just going into my first start. I was so excited

48:03

for it and like things were just I mean

48:06

I heard bullets fined by my head. I was just like, oh

48:08

my god, like I gotta be in tune

48:10

and ready to go, you know, and it was just kind

48:12

of eye opening. Then we go up next week and we play

48:14

Minnesota. At Minnesota, we're

48:17

twenty point underdogs and we come

48:19

out and we kind of shocked the world there. So

48:21

that was one of those those cool moments. Did

48:23

your family still have the farm,

48:27

Yeah, yeah they do, and uh so

48:30

we're traditionally a row crop, so

48:32

we do candle up cotton and wheat. But

48:35

me and my dad actually we purchased about one

48:37

hundred acres worked of pistachio

48:39

trees. Or we're gonna start playing these probably in March,

48:42

So that's something I'm really excited

48:44

about. Is it tougher being a farmer

48:46

or playing quarterback in the NFL? Farming

48:51

for sure. I Mean there's just

48:53

so many elements that you can't control the

48:55

weather, and that's like one thing farming

48:57

needs. You need sunshine. You need a lot of rain,

49:00

and Central California doesn't seem to

49:02

get too much of the rain sometimes, so it's

49:05

very hectic. And it's something you know, I saw

49:07

my dad struggle with and be super smart about

49:10

throughout my years, and he was always

49:12

my biggest role model with just his work ethic and um,

49:15

you know what he would do to provide for our family.

49:18

So, you know, football, you just gotta

49:20

make the right decisions and make the right throws without

49:22

trying to take too many hits. Give

49:24

me the quarterback you think would be the worst farmer?

49:28

Oh,

49:32

in the league or on our team in the league.

49:37

Let's see. I

49:40

think Herbert would be a pretty good farming because he's

49:42

he's a marine biologist, right, and I think he

49:44

would kind of get some of that stuff. So, um,

49:46

I don't know about that. Um maybe

49:50

Nick Foles, I don't know. He

49:53

doesn't look like he wants to get his hands dirty or

49:55

what. No, he's just I

49:58

don't know, he's just uh, well he how do

50:00

you think how do you think Brady would do? How do you

50:02

think Brady would do on the farm there? Josh,

50:05

I don't know. I don't know. He's he's kind of old

50:07

timing. I think he gets a lot of things.

50:10

Um, I just you

50:12

know what, I take back, Nick, You know, he's got a great

50:15

relationship with God, and you know the

50:17

rain would come for I mean, so

50:23

it would rain forty days and forty nights, Josh,

50:26

exactly exactly. So I take that back, he'd probably

50:28

be the best one. Um. Yeah,

50:31

I don't know. I don't know. No, Brady

50:34

would be farming, he'd have kale, he'd

50:37

have kale and yeah, he'd probably have avocados

50:39

and yeah, doing the smart and nutritional

50:42

plants, and he would need to be yelling at the cantalope

50:46

chewing it out. Yeah,

50:48

I'm going with Sam. Um. You know Sam,

50:51

he's a social kid. He's a beechy

50:53

guy I've seen. I don't know if you'd

50:55

survived on the farm, Sam, Darnold wouldn't. Yeah.

50:58

How often do you talk to Sale? So

51:02

we talked pretty often, probably

51:04

at least once or twice a week. Um, whether

51:07

it's personal texts, if

51:09

it's Instagram, direct messages

51:11

with our group chats, if it's call

51:13

of duty, um, you know, sometimes we get

51:16

online and play video games with each other. So

51:18

it's it's pretty often. I love what you're

51:21

doing with this serial. Tell tell my audience

51:23

what you're doing and who it's benefiting. Yeah.

51:27

So Josh's Jacks, Um, you know,

51:29

thanks to PLBs. You

51:31

know, it's in a sports entertainment group that kind of allowed

51:33

me to go out and get a cereal. Um.

51:36

But it's available at tops and Wakemans and majority

51:39

of these you know, A portion of the proceeds

51:42

go to a Shy children's hospital, and I've

51:44

been working with the Shy since I first got here, um

51:46

three years ago, and um, you

51:48

know, maybe it's kind of go in and talk with

51:51

these kids, and you know, unfortunately throughout

51:53

coronavirus UM, it's all been virtual.

51:55

But um, you know, it's something special

51:57

to my heart that this serial benefits

52:00

such a good cause and it can really

52:02

help, um, you know, fund

52:04

this hospital with you know, necessities

52:07

that they need, you know, especially trying times like

52:09

this. So it's been awesome and I'm

52:11

really looking forward to continue my relationship

52:14

with HI hospital. Yeah,

52:16

the serial is Josh

52:18

Jack's j a Q poster

52:20

fs proceeds benefiting the Children's

52:22

Hospital in Buffalo. I was just thinking about

52:24

this with the pistachios. When you go

52:26

to market, you just call him Josh's

52:29

Nuts.

52:32

Trust me, we've thought about that. Yeah.

52:34

Yeah, I mean, come on, who doesn't want

52:37

Josh's Nuts

52:43

your speeches? I don't know,

52:48

you're gonna be a mogul, You're gonna be a tycoon.

52:51

Uh. Hey, it's great talk to you. Congrats on your

52:53

success, Thanks for being a good sport, and

52:55

uh good luck. I appreciate

52:57

you. Thanks for having me on Dan, Thanks for listening

52:59

to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

53:01

to catch us live every weekday morning nine

53:04

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53:06

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FSR or stream us live

53:12

on the Peacock app. I got a text

53:15

at ten ten am this morning

53:18

that would be the AM part of this morning, and

53:21

it was an update on Wisconsin football. Their

53:24

quarterback, Graham Merch, according

53:27

to my source, in all likelihood, had COVID

53:29

prior to the game against Illinois, but tested

53:31

negative, was at all team activities

53:34

leading up to the game, so it's spread throughout

53:36

the team. A significant

53:38

number of positives this week

53:40

game with Nebraska growing doubtful

53:43

and the Big Ten didn't build buys into

53:45

their schedule. Multiple reports

53:48

have the Wisconsin game against

53:50

Nebraska that is

53:53

being canceled. Wisconsin

53:56

football team will pause all team

53:58

related activities for at least seven days

54:01

due to an elevated number of COVID nineteen

54:03

cases within the Badgers program. Game against

54:05

Nebraska on Saturday will not be played,

54:09

and I don't believe they can make up these

54:11

games. Plus your quarantine

54:13

for three weeks, twenty one days.

54:16

Yes, Ton, what's going through Larry Scott

54:18

PAC twelve commissioner's mine and the PAC twelve This supposed

54:20

to get started next week and they starts seeing

54:23

stuff like this, that's a little scary if they're finally

54:25

agreeing to play. Yeah point, what's going through their

54:27

mind is probably they should have stuck with the SEC's

54:29

plan, and that's what the Big Ten should have done

54:31

weeks and they would have had wiggle room and built

54:34

in bye weeks and things like this. If this

54:36

happens to the SEC, they have room to move things. The

54:38

Big Ten going in, going

54:40

out, going in is why they're there now. So

54:44

I don't know how many of these players are

54:46

going to miss the next three games. You're

54:48

gonna miss the Nebraska game. They have Michigan

54:50

coming up? Who else do they have? McLevin? I

54:53

think Indiana coming up? That

54:55

might be outside of three weeks. Probably sorry

54:58

if you already says the coach has its uh

55:01

Paul Chris, Yeah, twelve

55:03

players house, So yeah, I don't

55:05

know when they play Ohio State. Hold, let me yea look at

55:07

their schedule. So next

55:09

week, the Bratska canceled hosting

55:12

Purdue hosting, number going to

55:14

Michigan, going to Northwestern

55:17

hosting, Minnesota hosting.

55:20

Well, that's okay. I only care about the next three

55:22

yea three weeks here, so yeah, they don't. I don't

55:24

see Ohio State on here, so

55:27

I guess yeah, because it's a Big twelve, everyone can't play

55:29

everyone, So it looks like the real one

55:31

is eleven fourteen at Michigan.

55:34

Yeah, and a lot of people had Wisconsin,

55:36

you know, a second favorite two you know, get

55:38

out of the Big Ten. They get somehow beat Ohio State in the

55:40

Big Ten title game. There are

55:43

some people who are reporting

55:45

the SEC went away from antigen

55:47

testing because of false positives,

55:50

but the test also produced false negatives.

55:52

Looks like it could have happened here.

55:55

Also false negatives were reported

55:58

the reported route of a Baylor outbreak

56:01

as well. But there's no room for error

56:03

here in the Big Ten. You had

56:05

a finite amount of weeks

56:07

to get these games in and then hopefully

56:09

you you know, are you're going to be able

56:12

to qualify for a Bull Game or the

56:14

Final four. That's what you're hoping for Ohio

56:16

State here, But now these other schools are

56:18

going to be impacted you're playing less games

56:20

than the SEC in the Big twelve in the a SEC

56:23

just to start out with. But

56:26

yeah, this is this is a big deal in

56:28

uh in Wisconsin. Yeah point

56:31

oh yeah, you

56:33

know that false negative like you can

56:35

think that you're clean and spread it to people.

56:37

That's like not just football but everywhere. That's

56:39

kind of scary. Yeah. But the fact that your star

56:42

quarterback likely had COVID prior to last

56:44

week's game but tested negative, and

56:46

then he's at all the team activities, and then

56:48

your other quarterbacks they test positive

56:50

as well. Your head coach test positive as well.

56:54

This is the kind of situation due to the

56:57

you know the protocol here in quarantining.

57:00

This is three this is twenty one days, and

57:03

you have no buy weeks and these games

57:06

are not going to be able to be played. Like

57:08

I don't I don't know how how many more

57:10

positives you're going to have, Like how many would

57:12

it take before or Wisconsin

57:14

just says we can't field a football

57:16

team. I

57:18

don't know. The outbreak and your head coach and

57:21

these I don't think these are four fits.

57:24

I think they're called no contest.

57:28

Nobody wins, nobody loses. I think is

57:30

maybe the language there with the Big Ten. Yes,

57:33

but isn't it a rush to get enough games where they can

57:35

get into the Final four? Like what's that number supposed

57:37

to be? Like, what do you have to get? Well,

57:40

I think you're trying to get eight games.

57:43

The only way that this would happen for Ohio

57:45

State. Now, if Ohio State plays all eight

57:48

games, which might be unlikely

57:50

now, then that you

57:52

pass the site test. That's what my source told

57:54

me when this first started. Could they play

57:57

eight games? And how

57:59

good do they look at those eight games? Well,

58:01

they look good in Week one against Nebraska,

58:04

but you know, style points is what you need.

58:06

Now, if all of a sudden, you're playing five games,

58:09

six games, I

58:12

think you're gonna be hard pressed to try to get a team

58:14

from the Big ten into the Final four because

58:18

I think the SEC and the ACC are probably

58:20

gonna go, wait a minute, we're playing ten games.

58:22

You guys are playing six. Yeah,

58:25

And I'm looking at Ohio states schedule. They have

58:28

some easy games too. Penn

58:30

State is a tough one. By then Rudgurs

58:33

Maryland, Indiana might be tough. Illinois,

58:35

Michigan State who looks like they're down. And

58:38

then the last game being in Michigan

58:41

in Columbus. Yeah, there's

58:43

some players

58:45

tested positive for COVID with

58:48

the Texans. Their facility

58:50

has been closed. They

58:52

didn't mention who the player is. I don't think,

58:55

but the Texans announced earlier

58:57

this morning they're closing their team facility. Player

59:00

tested positive on Tuesday

59:02

night. Do

59:06

the Texans play this weekend? No,

59:09

They're on a bye week. Okay, so that at

59:12

least helps them a little bit. Every

59:16

time you think, okay, maybe

59:18

they've got it figured out, they

59:20

don't. Like baseball,

59:23

had fifty eight consecutive days, and then

59:25

you have a player test positive in Game six

59:27

of the World Series, the Big Ten, great

59:29

weekend. Now you have this like

59:32

this could impact Wisconsin's season. I

59:36

mean it is impacting it from the standpoint

59:38

of are they going to have a season and

59:40

how many players are going to test positive?

59:42

And your head coach is tested positive if

59:45

your star quarterback has tested positive. Thanks

59:47

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59:49

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59:52

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